Episode 4746: Trump's Power And The Rule Of Law Steve Bannon Exclusive Cont.

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room – Episode 4746: "Trump's Power and the Rule of Law"

Date: August 30, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Guests/Participants: Steve Bannon, PBS Interviewer

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Episode Overview

This episode of War Room centers on the themes raised in PBS’s documentary "Trump's Power and the Rule of Law," with Steve Bannon offering extended commentary and analysis. The conversation focuses on the transformation of American governance under Donald Trump, especially his efforts to dismantle the "administrative state," confront entrenched elite interests (from law firms to federal agencies), and challenge the judiciary’s expanding power. Bannon sees these maneuvers as an existential fight over the future of the U.S., pitching the Trump/MAGA movement as the only authentic opposition to both establishment Republicans and Democrats.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Framing the Struggle: Primal Scream of a Dying Regime

• Bannon opens with fiery rhetoric, describing the current confrontation as "the primal scream of a dying regime" ([00:03]).
• He positions Trump's project as a crusade to fundamentally reshape American government, emphasizing a direct challenge to establishment power structures:

  "President Trump is here to actually change, save the country and change fundamentally the direction of the country...to take down the administrative state and the deep state." – Stephen K. Bannon [02:11]

2. PBS Documentary Context

• Bannon explains the origin and reception of the PBS documentary, noting its progressive editorial stance but praising its depth and relevance ([01:28]–[02:10]).
• He highlights the involvement of prominent right-leaning voices like himself, Mike Davis, and Megyn Kelly, and argues that the documentary’s arguments have only grown more relevant.

3. Trump as Chief Executive & Law Enforcement Officer

• A central theme is Trump’s use of unchecked executive power. Bannon advocates an assertive, maximalist reading of presidential authority, especially:
  • The power to fire federal employees at will,
  • The power to impound (withhold) congressionally-appropriated funds,
  • The President as "chief law enforcement officer."

  "President Trump is the chief law enforcement officer of the country. They lose it because they can’t handle it. They can’t handle the truth, and they really can't handle truth to power." – Stephen K. Bannon [03:39]

4. Deconstructing the Administrative State

• Bannon details strategies for slashing government spending and power:
  • Cutting budgets of agencies like USAID,
  • Consolidating or eliminating programs deemed wasteful or ideologically hostile,
  • Placing agencies directly under executive (cabinet) control ([09:10]–[11:52]).
• He is critical of Republican establishment figures, accusing them of performing controlled opposition and failing to pursue real reforms.

5. Elite Capture: Law Firms, Universities, NGOs

• Bannon describes major law firms and elite universities as the "apparatus" for the opposition, highlighting their dependence on public contracts and money.
• He credits the Trump team for undercutting their influence with executive orders that tie access to government contracts to political compliance:

  "They cratered because they weren’t going to have access to government...They weren’t going to be able to feed at the public trough." – Steve Bannon [26:00]

• Calls for even more radical actions, such as purging faculty and administration from major public universities to break left-wing influence ([29:29]).

6. Economic Populism & Class Warfare

• Bannon blames both parties for America’s fiscal crisis, arguing that only the MAGA movement represents the working class.
• He sharply criticizes the concentration of wealth, the lack of tax increases on billionaires under Democrats, and the refusal of establishment Republicans to confront this.
• Advocates for tax cuts focused on working people (tips, overtime, Social Security) while demanding the rich pay more ([17:05]–[24:09]).

7. The Judiciary as Last Bastion of the Left

• Ongoing legal battles are framed as an existential showdown:

  "This is kind of the last bastion of the left. They own the law schools, they own the law firms, they control the judges, these neo Marxist judges. And to delay is to deny." – Stephen K. Bannon [04:42]

• Bannon accuses judges of conducting a "judicial insurrection," suggesting the Supreme Court is now the main battlefield.
• Encourages aggressive oversight (even impeachment) of “radical” judges ([37:19]).

8. Immigration and Executive Power

• Claims that Trump has already “secured the southern border in 60 days,” and paints opposition as willful sabotage by courts, NGOs, and liberal groups ([33:54]).
• Argues that current court challenges are not about immigration but about presidential power in national security.

9. Confrontation, No Compromise

• Bannon asserts there is no common ground to be found between his movement and establishment/left forces:

  "There’s no ground for compromise. You can’t compromise with our opposition. They’re not going to compromise with us." – Steve Bannon [44:45]

• He dismisses accusations of authoritarianism, arguing the real dictatorship has been imposed by bureaucrats and weaponized law enforcement ([47:24]–[47:35]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On PBS’s Alleged Bias:

  "PBS is a, how do I say this, a progressive liberal institution just got defunded by President Trump." – Stephen K. Bannon [01:28]

• On Elite Law Firms Folding:

  "Paul Weiss...they cratered. Why? Because the rest of these piranhas immediately when they saw the executive order, they went after their clients and said, hey, you’re not going to have any access to government contracts." – Steve Bannon [26:00]

• On No Respect for the Elite:

  "We hate [establishment Republicans] more than we hate radical Democrats." – Steve Bannon [11:52]

• On Populism and Class:

  "Money and power are going to the top 1% more and more and more...The core of the problem is you have to get to the administrative state, which is their mechanism of how they control things." – Steve Bannon [17:05]

• On Power and Relentlessness:

  "You can put us in fucking prison. You can take Trump up there and put him on trial every day. The people around Trump are battle hardened, okay? You're not going to scare us, and we're not going to stop." – Steve Bannon [37:19]

• On the Coming Showdown:

  "One side’s going to win and one side is going to lose. There’s no ground for compromise...It’s all gas, no brake." – Steve Bannon [44:45]

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Timeline of Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:03 | Bannon’s opening salvo on regime crisis and MAGA’s mission | | 01:28 | PBS documentary breakdown and overview | | 02:10 | Discussion of Trump's intentions to deconstruct the administrative state | | 09:10 | Analysis of budget deficit, cutting government, role of USAID, and the firing power | | 17:05 | Analysis of elite/wealth concentration; critique of class betrayal by Democrats | | 24:24 | Law firms’ embeddedness, executive orders, collapse, and influence of public money | | 29:29 | Expanding the fight to universities, public funding, and NGO infrastructure | | 33:05 | What law firms agree to in settlements with Trump—political and economic implications | | 33:54 | Immigration, executive authority, and the border fight | | 37:19 | Critique of “radical judges”; threats and responses to courts | | 41:35 | Discussion of constitutional crisis and judicial supremacy | | 44:45 | "All gas, no brake"—stating that this is an all-or-nothing battle | | 47:24 | Responding to critics of so-called “autocratic breakthrough” | | 48:39 | Bannon's assertion that “Donald Trump does not blink” |

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Tone and Rhetorical Style

• Confrontational & Maximalist: Bannon’s tone is unyielding, combative, and often profane. He expresses utter contempt for both the Democratic and Republican establishments and positions the MAGA movement as uniquely authentic.
• Populist & Anti-elite: Emphasizes class conflict, the betrayal of the working class, and elite manipulation of wealth and governance structures.
• Apocalyptic Stakes: The narrative is one of existential peril—either the MAGA/trumpist side dismantles the administrative and judicial “deep state,” or America ceases to be a constitutional republic.

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Conclusion

This episode serves as a clarion call to Bannon’s audience, declaring the current moment as a decisive fight over the survival of conservatism, the rule of law, and the American constitutional order. Bannon deploys a mixture of detailed policy critique (from budgets to legal tactics) and broad, populist invective, making clear that he and his allies see no path to compromise—only victory or defeat.

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If you want to understand the ideological framework and battle lines of today’s MAGA right, this episode offers a comprehensive (and unapologetically combative) roadmap.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Pray for our enemies because we're going.

[Steve Bannon]

Medieval on these people.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Reasons I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Steve Bannon]

And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Steve Bannon]

War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay, it's Saturday, the 30th of August in the year of our Lord 2025. Welcome back for the second hour of our Saturday morning show. For those, I think we've made a command decision here in the first hour is that we are going to replay the actual PBS documentary, Trump's Power in the Rule of Law. Like I said, it was made and put together in the spring of this year. That's the, that's the interview that you're seeing right there. And remember, when these guys have these kind of long range documentaries they're doing.

[Steve Bannon]

They gotta think downrange.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I think this thing came out like the middle of July, end of July. We played it on our 6 o' clock show, broke it down over two nights, had a powerful response to the audience. It's also had a powerful response from people just all over the country that have seen it. Remember, PBS is a, how do I say this, a progressive liberal institution just got defunded by President Trump. But the Frontline documentaries have had a history of, you know, Emmy winning Emmys.

[Steve Bannon]

And all sorts of things.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Here we're giving you the what made up that documentary. I'm in that documentary fairly prominently with the Viceroy, Mike Davis and Megyn Kelly and other voices on the right. Of course, we're outgunned, you know, two thirds, one third. But I think we hold our own.

[Steve Bannon]

The topic is so important.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's Trump's power and the rule of law. Because we say, hey, look, look, Trump is not here just to be another caretaker. President Trump is here to actually change, save the country and change fundamentally the direction of the country. And as part of that, to take down the administrative state and the deep state. And that's a tall order and it's quite complicated. And the powers that be are just not going to sit there and go, oh, that's a lovely idea. Why didn't we think of that? Like I say, they're just not going to toss you the keys. Everything's been a fight. That's why, in a fascinating way, the documentary and the interviews that went with Mike Davis and myself and Megyn Kelly and others are actually even more relevant today than when they were first taken back in the spring or when the documentary came out in mid summer. And it's going to be more relevant. The reason we decided to play it over the kickoff, the Labor Day weekend or Saturday, the Labor Day weekend, is that it's going to be more relevant for what's going forward. President Trump is not going to take.

[Steve Bannon]

His foot off the gas.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

They have hoped for that forever. I think now they're coming to the conclusion that that's not going to happen, that President Trump is fully committed to doing this. And that's why you see from, you know, the federalization of the police activity in law and order in New York City, going to Chicago, going to New York or taking on the Federal Reserve things that were sacred cows and said, you just can't do it that way. Sealing the border, starting to do mass deportations. He can't do it that way.

[Steve Bannon]

And he is going to do it.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

That way because the way the Constitution set up with President Trump as being chief executive officer of the nation, of being the commander in chief of the uniformed military services and being chief law enforcement officer is the last one that just blows them up, blows their heads up so much. Remember Congressman Breachen from Oklahoma? We've had him on the show a couple times. He gave a town hall the other day, and they're all sitting there going, oh, they're. This guy got blown up. When we look at the town hall, there's, I don't know, 200, 250 people there from his district. There's three or four protesters. It's nothing. And what they really get incensed when he sits there and goes, hey, President Trump is the chief law enforcement officer of the country. They lose it because they can't handle it. They can't handle, they can't handle the truth, and they really can't handle truth to power. But they're going to have to. The other thing they get on breaching for is when he talks about Erdogan, the Ottoman Empire, the Muslim Brotherhood. They absolutely lose it there. And one guy laughs at him. Of course, the media says, oh, the crowd was laughing at him. No, one guy was laughing at him.

[Steve Bannon]

And that guy was dead.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Wrong. And all the people jumped on social Media were absolutely 1000% dead wrong. Trump's power and the rule of law. President Trump has dug in on this. This is why the last line of defense, as we said from the beginning, was going to be these radicals in the federal court system. But as the viceroy, Mike Davis explains during the film, during the film, is that we're gonna have to confront this. This is kind of the last bastion of the left. They own the law schools, they own the law firms, they control the judges, these neo Marxist judges. And to delay is to deny. So what you're seeing here is the second hour of this interview that was done, I think, sometime in the spring. It was done in the war room itself. They brought their entire production team over, and this was kind of the raw material, the building blocks for what became Trump's power in the rule of law. The reason I wanted to do it today over Labor Day weekend is let everybody catch your breath. Focus on this. See direction, where we're going. See it in an aspect that the interview itself was almost an hour and a half, 90 minutes, because it said, hey, guys, just, you know, ask anything you want. Ask in any way you want. Take your best shot. And this is going to be so important going forward. Remember, directionally, President Trump, and this is one of the driving forces in not just in the MAGA movement, but President Trump's presidency, He's not going to ease off here. He's not going to back down. That's just not going to happen. So really want to thank PBS for actually doing the interview itself. Real America's voice and putting it on, breaking it all down, making sure that we got it engineered just correctly. Also want to thank our sponsors, of course, Birch Gold. Times are getting turbulent. What we try to do with Birch Gold and our associated Birch Gold, it's not about the price of gold, obviously, since we partnered with them. You can tell that gold's had a historic run over the last couple of years, but we think there's a lot more to do there. It's not so much the price every day. It's kind of the pattern recognition of the forces that come together that drive the price. And now more than ever, one of the central things you understand is central banks throughout the world are buying gold at record rates. Why are they doing that? This is what we try to explain to you. Go to birchgold.com, promo code Bannon, the end of the Dollar Empire. We explain everything that leads up and why the Central bank of China, the Central bank of India, the central bank of Brazil, all the BRICS nations are buying gold at record rates. Why are they doing that? And what is the underlying pattern that drives the price of gold? Remember, it's not the daily price, it's the underlying forces that converge to drive the value of gold. We try to teach you that or at least give you the information you should know. Again, so birchgold.com promo code band and the end of the dollar empire. Always want to thank Birch Gold for sponsoring us on Saturday. Also home title lock. Every dream you've ever had is in that home you've got. You'd be stunned about what? The thin tissue that says you actually own it. That's the title. And it's a fairly rudimentary system throughout the country of how these things are monitored. Hometitleock.com promo code Steve, you get a $1 million triple lock protection. And what the hell does that mean?

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[PBS Interviewer]

You said that the media may have focused too much on Elon Musk and missed the other things that people were doing. But that effort to do something like take on usaid, a congressionally created agency to freeze all of the funds or not spend them, I mean, how big a moment is that?

[Steve Bannon]

You know, I'm a huge believer obviously in the deconstruction administrative state. How do you do that. And that gets back to the budget and the budget deficit. You know, I've been a big advocate that we have to have political courage of the political class, and we have to address the actual structure of the spending of this country and why we're running $2 trillion deficits because of what's happened in Covid and the kind of spending that went on Covid we haven't gotten rid of. The audience should Understand we spent 6.5 or $7 trillion a year. We raise in taxes 4.5 trillion. There's a gap. The reason you have inflation, right? The reason is not because of tariffs and not because of supply chains. The reason we have inflation is we have a massive Keynesian stimulus every year. We're now, we've added, what, $16 trillion of debt in the last, you know, the last couple of years. We flooded the zone with dollars. That's what's doing it. Until we get control of that. And the way to get control of that spending has to be programmatically, okay, you have to do that at the Defense Department in the social programs. But you have to have the courage to say, hey, look, we've blown this, and we're so far past this that we have to start to get our house in order. Either we have to get more revenues through external revenues, through tariffs. We have to either raise taxes or. Or we have to have higher growth rates. And I'm all for higher growth rates and more tariffs, but I can alsoyou know, I went to Harvard Business School and worked at Goldman Sachs. I can do the basic, simple mathematics in back of this, and it just doesn't add up until you start getting control of federal spending. Now, the DOGE effort and my problem with doge, I want to make sure it's more reality than fantasy. Besides all the media, it's gotten what we needtheir primary purpose is not statutory and not programmatic. A little bit of that's gotten caught up in that. Their primary focus should be waste, fraud, and abuse. And I would certainly likeand Elon has committed that. There's a trillion dollars of waste, fraud, and abuse. I'm from Missouri on this one. I want to be shown that I want to be. I see that so far as we've gone to date, there really hasn't been, you know, there's been some marginal cuts, but those are almost like programmatic. And President Trump has said repeatedly the cabinet controls that we're going to follow statutory, like for instance, in voa, in these places, usaid, they're taking it down to statutory limits. They're also going to put usaid, propose to put USAID under the State Department, but they're going to zero these out statutorily. Go back to the unitary theory of the executive. The President of the United States as chief executive has the ability to make personnel decisions and to fire anybody.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

To fire people.

[Steve Bannon]

You don't have permanent. You don't have permanent employment in the federal government. And no U.S. citizen will back that up. Right. The U.S. citizens right now live in an era of anxiety, could be let go immediately. So the chief executive has the ability to fire and he also has the appropriations process, which is the legal process that we go through to create a law to appropriate the money. That's a ceiling, not a floor. Now, that is going to be contested. Okay, But President Trumpand this gets back to the USAID system about the $2 billion of which the courts have found out so far that they don't believe he does. That money has to be paid. That I think is going to go up and take a ride to much higher levels. Right. Because the President has to have the ability to both impound money or not spend that money. If he decides programmatically, it's either not working or there's some issue involved in it. Also to get rid of people. The Doge effort is basically an effort about fraud and waste. It's kind of because the media's taken up and a little bit Elon is, I think, in the media taken on a little more of a mandate than he had. Right. And the media is focused on that, which I think is fantastic because Kerry Lake's work at, at voa, other work that's going around like on USAID and these others and the usaid. Let's, let's be honest, Eli Crane and these guys tried to zero it out in the appropriations process two years ago. All night fights on the House floor. And who saved it? The Republican establishment saved it and didn't even have the balls to look into where the money was going. The money was going to all these NGOs that were supporting the invasion of the country. All these NGOs throughout the world and the United States that were suppressing conservative voices. That was brought to you by the controlled opposition Republicans. This is the reason you kind of differentiate between Republicans and the MAGA movement. The Republican Party is one of the reasons the country is in this situation. You mentioned Bill Barr and these guys. We've won since Nixon. You know, we've won as many times as we've lost. We've been in control as much as the Democrats have. How did the country get into this crisis? Because the Republican Party is like the Washington generals to the Democrats, Harlem Globetrotters, they're just controlled opposition. It's all performative. They never really did anything. They just kind of went along with the system. That's the difference in Trump. Trump is direct action down a vertical to actually make fundamental change. And that's why the system is reacting. The system's traumatized. I understand that. He's a blunt father force instrument. He's going to, he's going to give the system a punch and it's going to be traumatized. That's kind of the purpose of the exercise. And that's why he's relentless. He will not back off. That's different. These country club Republicans who have essentially gone along with this for 40 or 50 years and got the country in this jam. This is why the MAGA movement detest rinos, detest country club Republicans. We hate them more than we hate radical Democrat.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[PBS Interviewer]

Yeah, I mean, when we've talked to people here and they've seen, they see the letters coming off of something like usaid. Symbolically in this town, there's a fear of who is next, what is next.

[Steve Bannon]

They should understand it's potentially all next if we don't close this gap of the 2 trillion. This is why I think the media and particularly PBS and others that are a little more thoughtful are doing a terrible job. You don't explain how the system works. And the system is burying the country and working class people every day because we have a system that's totally out of control and only it's crafted by the elites in this country and it works for them. In the last six months, I think it is the last six months since the beginning of the fiscal year on October 1st, I believe that $4.4 trillion of wealth, stock market, bonds, et cetera, have accreted to the top 1%. And that's more than the bottom 50% of our country. It can't go on. We've had the massive concert since the bailout of President Obama and the progressives. And that's why he's kind of a tragic figure, because he depended upon his Wall street guys about the bailouts of the crash in 08, which he had nothing to do with. That was all dumped on him when he won the presidency. In fact, the reason he won the presidency, I think people said, hey, you know, I don't know about John McCain said, but the Republicans were in charge. We got to havewe gotta have change on this. He reverted back to a standard. The people that caused the problem came up with a solution. We've never really gotten over that. And you've had tremendous. You had more concentration of wealth in President Obama's term than you ever had in the history of the country. And this is why I say everything you see on cable TV or all this stuff on Capitol Hill is performative. That's not the real story. The real story is about money and power. And money and power are going to the top 1% more and more and more. That was the start of it. Then you see during the pandemic, you had another great concentration of wealth. That's what needs to be broken here. You need to break that. If you don't break it. And one of the reasons is that the elites in the country don't mind this massive spending because it's helping their hedge funds, it's helping their defense contractors. They want the spending. This is why it's so tough to even talk about cutting spending here. And trust me, they're not worried about what happens to the American people. Are they not going to get this program or that program? They want to have this continuous spending until we get a grip of that. And one of the ways you have to get a grip of you have to downsize the government programmatically. You just can't do everything that you've been doing and paying for. And principally, this is why I'm an advocate, strong advocate until you get to the Defense Department. And it shouldn't be lost on anybody that Doge is. But we're the ones on our show that said, you got to cross the Potomac. You got to cross the Potomac. You can't just be running around on Social Security. You got to get to the Pentagon. They've been at the Pentagon for nine and a half weeks, 10 weeks. I haven't heard one chirp right out of that festering sore of they spend $900 billion a year. Trust me, there's a little bit of waste, fraud and abuse over there. We haven't heard, we haven't seen one email, one Twitter post on anything. I think they announced a couple weeks ago, Sean Parnell announced they found $80 million, which is basically uber money over there. So it's all performative. That's why you had it. And for your audience has to understand this is not going to be easy. It's going to be tough. We've kicked the can down the road for decade and decade, decade. If you want inflation to continue, if you want the financial and economic opportunities to recede from you and your life, right. Forget your children and grandchildren. If you want it all to recede, if you want to continue to have to work two jobs, if you want to use that credit card to make ends meet at the end of the month, if you want to be anxious every day of your life, the job you've got and how you're barely hanging on, if you were fired, you're 90 days away. I don't care if you're middle class, you're 90 days away from financial oblivion. But that ticking time bomb of what's going to happen to me when I get older, do I have enough for retirement? Is Social Security even going to be here? Even the Social Security, at 1,000 bucks a month, is that going to pay for anything? That anxiety eats away at people like acid. And if you don'tif you want that to continue and get worse, then let's just have the system we got now. Let's have $2 trillion. Listen, it's not going to change the elites in this country. If it was a crisis for them, it would change tomorrow morning. It's not changing because it works for the wealthy and powerful. And the wealthy and powerful people now waking up control the Democratic Party. The entire Democratic Party is kind of a phony. And let me give you a specific example. When Biden won in the first hundred days, they put up this thing about taxing the billionaires. They were going to tax the billionaires, tax the billionaires. They controlled the House and the Senate. That never even got to a committee. There was no taxing of the wealthy under Biden. There was never even an attempt to tax the wealthy. Why? Because the wealthy control the Democratic Party. They've abandoned the working class. And we for years have worked and have the working class on our side now, right? Including African American men, Hispanics. Right. They've abandoned it to this credentialed class, this kind of, you know, phony degrees, you know, coming out of these universities and these people that hang onto these kind of marginal jobs that are all because of government spending and corporate spending that support this. It's controlled by the billionaires. If it wasn' twherswhere was your tax cut? Where was anywhere? The Democratic party for either eight years under Obama or four years under Biden, 12 years. Show me one effort at all to go after the 1%. It wasn't. You had Elizabeth Warren running around and setting up, you know, the consumer bureau. That's kind of, it's like, it's like the minimum wage thing. That's a, that's a sop that run around. That doesn't get to the core of the problem. The core of the problem is you have to get to the administrative state, which, which is their mechanism of how they control things. And you have to cut, you have to cut spending and you have to raise taxes on them. I'm the only one on the right that is a strong proponent that this tax extension has to be more tax cuts for the working class. You have to cut tax on tips, tax on overtime, tax on bonuses, taxes on Social Security. That's another, I don't know, 5 6, 7, $800 billion a year of decreased revenue. You got to make that up somewhere. So if we can't do it in growth, and I can do the math, I don't see us getting to 5% growth. I don't see growth getting us. I think growth's important. I think President Trump and Bessen are focused on that to get us to 3%, 3.5%. There's going to be a gap. That gap has to come from the wealthy. You can't extend the tax cuts for the top upper bracket. You can't. The math just doesn't work. And that will be the first time we're putting them on notice because I tell people just in doing that, we'll get, we'll bitch slap them to, to say, you've got to be a partner in getting this thing under control. No more. Are you just going to benefit from it. That's what's happening now. And the country is starting to wake up to this. This is why the economic message of populism and economic nationalism is getting traction now. And people are looking around, go, okay, I'm starting to understand it. That is the wave of the future of politics in this country. This is where the big fights are going to be.

[PBS Interviewer]

Let me ask you about the law firms because you explained why that was part of this, why the law firms were so powerful, why they were part of this corporate interest. Can you help me understand the effect effect of when those orders come out? I mean, they're pretty shocking to a lot of people.

[Steve Bannon]

They're shocking to Steve Bannon, to shock. No. I am so impressed. Here's why these law firms are embedded. These law firms, and if you look in the old days of Edward Bennett Williams and you know, Bob Strauss fixers in Washington, that's not what this is. These are highly sophisticated apparatuses. Working with private equity like Latham and Watkins and Carlisle in the Imperial Capital or working with these Wall street hedge funds or private equity funds essentially control the country. The power of what President Trump did, and I don't think only the most sophisticated on their side, but I was stunned of how brilliantly thoughtful it was because they went after the media bid on. They took away the security clearances. They took away the security clearances. Really, that was just a means to say, no more government contracts, no more government work. The key in the killer line though, which was absolutely brilliant, they embedded down in the executive order. Oh, by the way, any firm that retains you will not be eligible for government contracts. They went after Paul Weiss first is Paul Weiss, the most powerful law firm in the country? No. Is it the biggest law firm in the country? No, it's not a Kirkland and Ellis or a Latham and Watkins or a Skadden Arpst. But behind the scenes, Paul Weiss is incredibly powerful. They have been the organizer, this guy Karp, but the whole firm have been the organizer of kind of the opposition to Trump, particularly among Democrats. It shouldn't be lost on anybody that when Murdoch wanted to get rid of Ailes, what firm did he pick?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Paul Weiss.

[Steve Bannon]

Right. To do the independent assessment. They would do a lot of dirty work. And, and they're quite powerful in that. And I was stunned after that was sent, essentially they collapsed in their opposition. And why was that? The other law firms started poaching their clients. It was their partners who are unified in their hatred of Trump. And Karp himself, who's the kind of ringleader. They cratered. Why? Because the rest of these piranhas immediately when they saw the executive order, they went after their clients and said, hey, you're not going to have any access to government contracts. And here's why. The American people should understand. They all feed at the trough of public money. That's your money. You're paying for that. If you're making 32,000 bucks a year and you're watching PBS in your small TV in your apartment in Chicago and working two jobs, right? And you're a liberal and you watch PBS and you feel better every day, you're a sucker. Why was this so? Why was this so massive? Why did they crater? Why did one of the most powerful law firms in the country went to the Oval Office as a supplicant and beg for mercy? Because they want access to your tax money. You're working two jobs and can barely survive and have no retirement and no health care, Right? And the reason is your money, your hard earned money is going to pay to a system that every day you, every day f s you and does it openly. That's why it cratered. They cratered because they weren't going to have access to government. It wasn't the security clearances that was a means to an end. They weren't going to be able to feed at the public trough. And here's the thing. When you talk about the $40 million for philanthropic, you know, he's going to do $40 million of pro bono work or $100 million scadden arps, the way that the systems works with the NGOs, all these radical NGOs, the color revolution that Rachel Maddow talks about every night. The reason that these guys are able to be so powerful, those NGOs, they have the best law firms in the country working for them. That $100 million, not because you want philanthropic work. It's to take away the opportunity costs so they can't work for the radical left. The whole system changes with this. This is, quite frankly, brilliant in its conception, and it's even more brilliant in its execution. And here's what I tell people. They're not that powerful. This whole system has been so powerful and so overwhelming.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Steve Bannon]

Today, War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. The most powerful law firms in the country. And guess what? People's now appetites are wet. They're going to go after all of them. You have to break them all, particularly the two you got to break. We'll get down to the end. It's Kirkland and Ellis and Latham and Watkins. Kirkland and Ellis is Obama's law firm. You know, they've already got Covington Burley, which was his holder, but Kirkland and Ellis and Latham and Watkins, because those are the two big intersections between. They're essentially private equity organizations. Now. You'll get to those at the end and break them. But no people should understand. And this is why now on MSNBC, this takes up 20 minutes of programming almost in each show every night. Because they now understand, oh, my God, this may be the mortal Blow that destroys it. This is going down to the mechanics of how the system works. This is so profound, this and going after the universities. And what shocked me is Columbia folded. That was a historic day. And I've been a big advocate because I am a maximalist. Don't go after the Ivies. Yes, Harvard, you know, I want to. You should go there. They're all. But you showed it in Columbia. You can get to all them. You have to go to the public Ivies. You have to go to the University of Michigan, the University of Wisconsin, University of Virginia, University of North Carolina, University of Texas, Austin, Berkeley, ucla. I'll throw in University of Florida and University of Arizona. Those 10 go to them today. And it's not about this because I think we're too narrow casting this about the Palestinian Gaza thing. It's much broader than that. It's not those kids, the kids on the common are not the problem. The problems in the faculty, in the administration. I would be much more radical. I would go to the big state universities today, these great public Ivies, and say right off the bat, you either purge the faculty senate or purge the administration immediately or you cut off all money in the state of Michigan and the state of Wisconsin. There's no way. This is billions of dollars to go to these universities. These things would fold. They would crater in 24 hours. And then you would get to the. You would lance the boil that's driving this radicalness on college campuses, but also throughout America because they all. The common theme is that it's all public money. If you cut usaid, why are they running around USAID because it's publicly has basically fueled the revolution in this country. Once you cut off the public money or once you cut off these radical, these law firms that are radicals, these neo Marxists. Right? Culturally, not economically. Once you cut off the public money or access to it, they fold. They're not that powerful. You've seen a system that has had so many of the institutions under control, they got lazy. They never thought a Trump would come along and they never thought a Trump could get that message out to working class people and actually have power in back of his punch. That's the great struggle we have today. And it's not being reported correctly, number one. I just don't think the media has spent time thinking this through about what's really going on. They're all running around with their hair on fire. Oh my gosh. This, this and this. There's actually a very well thought through plan on this. And the opposition knows this. The law firms understand this. The NGOs understand this. Rachel Maddow understands this. Watch her show. Watch what she's really talking about. She understands exactly what's going on, and she understands the stakes about the stakes and how high these stakes are.

[PBS Interviewer]

When they reach that agreement, what are they agreeing to? The President said they're bending to me. You said they come to him as a supplicant. I mean, are they agreeing to not attack the, not represent clients, attacking the government? What's the crucial agreement that they're making? Is it loyalty?

[Steve Bannon]

It's not loyalty. I think it's notI think it's the fact that, first off, they're not going to fund, they're not going to do all this pro bono work for these other organizations. Right. And number two, that they're going to not attack the government, not sue the government frivolously, which I think is a huge, a huge, a huge thing. It's not that. Look, if they've got a case that's meaningful, I'm sure they'll take it and they'll continue on or their partners will resign. You've already had some of the younger associates at Skadden Arp saying we'll never agree to this and we'll go do it our way. But it should not be lost on people that Scadden Arps and Paul Weiss, two of the most powerful law firms in the country, basically cratered.

[PBS Interviewer]

Has the administration chosen immigration as a place to make a stand with the courts? Was that intentional, or do you think that's how it developed?

[Steve Bannon]

When we say immigration, look, the southern border has been secured in 60 days. How can anybody on the left sit there and not be humiliated by the lies, quite frankly, the lies that were supported by your channel and your show year after year after year, and the Republicans picked up on it. I'm not just picking on radical Democrats. It's, by the way, when you guys are shut down and all the money's gone, it's this type of thing that it's the lies and misrepresentation you told on basic issues like the invasion of our country. It's been stopped in 60 days, guys. We've started to get control of this immediately because of President Trump's just direct actions in the courts I think you're talking about. It's not the mass deportation, remember? I believe we're tooonce again in the spectrum of this. President Trump's a modder trying to, trying to balance everything. His right wing is for mass deportations of all 10 million and let's be specific, that just came in on Biden's watch. And anything that happened beforehand, we'll have to think that through in the future. I'm just talking about what happened from January 20th of 2021 all the way till January 20th of 2025. In that four years, what Biden did, which is a very well thought through in conjunction with the NGOs that were paid for by either your religious organizations like the Catholics, the Lutherans or the Jews. Right. Catholic Charities being the worst, and I'm a Catholic, or usaid, paid for by your taxpayer dollars to basically bring in economic competition that Wall street wanted, that corporatists wanted because they want to drive down wages. So if you're sitting in Chicago watching your PBS as a convinced liberal, understand that your government, that government at the time was organized, it wasn't chaotic. It was a very organized way to basically invade, bring in cheaper labor into the United States to drive down wages among lower skilled workers, which is unacceptable. So right now we're not even talking about mass deportations, which is the point that MAGA wants to get to quickly because they all have to go home. They all have to go home. You're not going to have a country unless every invader goes back to the origin. What we're talking about now is a national security issue. Let's go back to the unified executive theory. He's commander in chief of the armed forces and can make decisions about national security. You have a radical judge that's in certain. This has nothing to do with immigration. This has to do with his role as commander in chief. Can a federal judge step in the middle of that and start making decisions about airplane, you know, capacity lift, who's going to go, what's going to go, et cetera. You have an organization he's designated as a terrorist criminal organization that's terrorized people from Colorado all over the country and he's shipping them out of here and he's going to continue to ship them out of here. You've had a judge insert himself in that role. It's now at the Supreme Court. You know, it'll get expedited, I assume, and we'll see. So no, you can't let these radical judges do it. And this is going to be a showdown. It has to be a showdown.

[PBS Interviewer]

And the rhetoric about the judge, because a lot of lawyers say, you know, all of the rhetoric calling for impeachment, the radical left lunatic, that this rhetoric, it shouldn't. That's not the type of thing the president should say he should appeal. He should abide by the court ruling.

[Steve Bannon]

And not, by the way, was there any complaint from PBS or is there any complaint by the Democrats on the, on the rhetoric used against the judges when the, when the Roe v. Wade decision came out and they had to have police protection at their houses? I don't remember. I don't remember anything about the rhetoric being too high. You guys are so fucking phony on the face of it. This is why we're defeating the left. The American people, as they see this, they go, these guys are a bunch of fucking lying scumbags. Which you are. A bunch of lying fucking scumbags. You terrorize. You try to terrorize Supreme Court justices over a decision that didn't go your way. And now I'm a huge believer. But playing by the system, the system. We should get these judges, and I'm an advocate. I'm not saying to impeach them right now. That's for the House of Representatives to decide. However, the Judiciary Committee should immediately get Beryl Howe and was it Boasberg in immediately for a public hearing about their conduct? Absolutely. And let's put it before the American people. Let's put what these two have done. These two are radicals. Put them on notice. You put them through this process. Whether you impeach them or not, all these other judges are going to fold. Here's what we know. If you take power and exert it, this system's not so tough. You know why? They're all gutless cowards. They've all hid behind the system for decades and decades and decades. So the university administrators, they're not that tough. The big law firms, nah, they're not that tough. The media, look who's cratered how many times. Look how they're settling with Trump. They're not tough. We're resilient. We're antifragile and we're tough. You can put us in fucking prison. You can take Trump up there and put him on trial every day. The people around Trump are battle hardened, okay? You're not going to scare us, and we're not going to stop. And what we know is you guys are a bunch of pussies. You will crater. PBS is going to crater. You know why you're not tough? You don't believe, actually at your core in what you're trying to do. And you'll fold like the law firms, like the universities, like the media, like all of these institutions. You will fold because we're relentless and we're not going to stop.

[PBS Interviewer]

So when it gets up to the Supreme Court, which is where it's going to end up, I mean, how is it going to play out? And a lot's going to come onto John Roberts and acb and acb.

[Steve Bannon]

And I mean, this is why I think President Trump, I think Mike Davis and some of the people that have been at the forefront of this have said, you know, comply no matter how radical, no matter how some judge in Rhode island puts a nationwide band on the entire thing, comply with that. Right. So that you don't rattle the courts, because these are eventually going to go up to the courts and they want to make sure you play by the rules. Now, I'm actually being a maximalist. Some of these things I wouldn't have complied with, but they have. And I think it's. You're going to have to see when it comes out to the Supreme Court. So I don't want to prejudge what's going to happen. But a lot of these on every part of the theory, right? Whether he's chief executive and can make decisions on personnel and money. Right. In executive action as commander in chief, can he actually ship out these criminal terrorists as the chief magistrate, Things dealing with the Justice Department and the FBI, they're all going to the Supreme Court, right? And now there's what, 82 lawsuits and more coming every day. Right? But you're going to see a lot of these are not pro bono work anymore by the big law firms. Carrie Lake told me the other day on voa, I think they got eight or nine. So that's how the system works, and we'll have to see how it plays out. But yes, you have a constitutional crisis, because one of the tests of this theory is that it's supposed to be checks and balances. We got into the system for years, you had judicial supremacy. And I kept even saying to the Mark Levinson, these guys who are very smart, the constitutional guys, they're all, everything's getting down to Supreme Court decisions. Well, I said the founders never gave the Supreme Court to be supreme. You never agreed to judicial supremacy. And what you're seeing now is a judicial insurrection about somebody that's challenging judicial supremacy. That's going to have to be worked out. And that is, I would say, the courts threw us into a constitutional crisis because they want to be supreme to the chief executive. And so this is going to play out and we're going to see how it plays. I strongly believe we're going to win.

[PBS Interviewer]

I mean, you said that there were some court rulings you wouldn't comply with. The President has said that he would comply with court rulings. Do you think there's.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I think he has.

[PBS Interviewer]

Do you think that there's a.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Except.

[Steve Bannon]

There is, I guess, a question about the Venezuelan flights. Already, as commander in chief on that one, I think we're in a gray area. My belief is he's so set in on this issue of being commander in chief. And that's why I think it's the, the one that's expedited to the Supreme Court. We don't know as of now whether it's going to be. I think it's going to be in the emergency docket that's still up in the air. I think it probably will be, because I think this one has to be sorted. That's one. I think he's already. Because they did send The Venice, the 17 Venezuelans, I think, on Sunday night to Venezuela. Right. Who accepted them. So I think this, this is. But I think they're complying. If you look across. They're complying across the border with the rest of the.

[PBS Interviewer]

But should the courts be wary? You know, do you think that there's a moment where the President, the administration, might say this has gone too far? I mean, should.

[Steve Bannon]

I think the courts would be very wary. What did Andrew Jackson say? You make a ruling, go ahead and enforce it. I think the court, you have to rein in the courts. They've been too radical. This is a judicial insurrection. I strongly believe that this is going to be a learning exercise. And what we're trying to do is go back and, and try to more and more in the coming weeks is make sure our audience understands this goes back or really goes back to FDR and the packing of the court. But specifically, it goes back very much to Watergate and the judicial insurrection. You had in Watergate in the same court, in this D.C. court that's out of control with Sirica. Okay, Everything is. That's the railhead of all this. Spread the word all through Hong Kong. We will fight till they're all gone. We rejoice when there's no more. Let's take down the ccp.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

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Go to donewithdebT.com and do it today. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. This showdown which if you just had country club Republicans were never Bill Barr and that crowd, but the Bush, all that crowd and they talk about Cheney and all that, this is actually a fight that had to happen. This had to happen between the courts and the executive branch. Okay? It's happened because Trump and people around him understand the Constitution and understand what we have to do to get back to a constitutional republic, to take on the administrative state and take on the deep state chaining those guys. It was totally different. It was there just to self agonize power and quite frankly, I think hide a lot of abuses on the Iraq war that I was against. Right. So this is a real showdown and this is for the highest stakes. And this is from both sides are going to give as good as they get. The opposition of this is you're bringing your best. I mean you've got the best lawyers, you have the best thinkers on your side. And they understand what the stakes are. They particularly understand what the stakes are of cutting off government funding to the, to the, to the NGOs. They understand how much of this has been on the public trough. They also understand as we go against things like ActBlue, the mechanics of how actually this stuff is funded away from the government on the foreign billionaires. So we're going after the infrastructure and the plumbing and the wiring of the whole system of the radical left so the states couldn't be higher. And they know that that's why this is, that's why this is such an important fight. And I keep saying one side's going to win and one side is going to lose. There's no ground for compromise. You can't compromise with our opposition. They're not going to compromise with us. They don't believe in anything that we stand for. They think we're that. All they talk about is autocratic breakthrough. This is the moment of autocratic breakthrough. This is the moment when Donald Trump becomes dictator. What he's trying to do is trying to get back to what the Constitution says and make sure that we're not a dictatorship, because we have been a dictatorship, as you can see. But how the Justice Department was weaponized against people and sent guys like, tried to send Trump to prison for 300 years, which they still want to do, and sent guys like Peter Navarro and myself to prison. Right. For discussions on checks and balances. So, no, these are the highest stakes. And this is going to be fought down to the bitter end. And I can tell people right now, we are not going to quit. We're not going to surrender. We're not going to take our, our foot off the gas pedal. It's all gas, no brake.

[PBS Interviewer]

Explain that. Because that criticism of autocracy and the thing that we have heard is people who say the president doesn't seem to respect the rule of law or courts.

[Steve Bannon]

He doesn't respect the rule of lawyers. He respects the rule of law. He's complied with all this. He spent all this time putting judges in. What do you mean we don't respect the rule of law? He absolutely respects the rule of law. It's the other side that didn't respect the rule of law, that went after people that, from school boards to people at abortion centers to people just opposed them on what they were trying to do and trying to break the Constitution. Look, it's not me. Have your audience ask themselves a question. The J6 committee, did they not crawl on their bellies to the White House and ask for something that's never been given in the history of this country, a blanket preemptive pardon. Your audience should ask themselves, if they're so rule of law, why did they go crawling for something that's never been given in American history, a blanket preemptive pardon? And plus their staffs, I happen to think they're not legitimate. I think they ought to be pursued because that's when we saw the breakdown of rule of law. They're gangsters.

[PBS Interviewer]

That a lot of people say that there'll be a moment where there's somebody who's going to blank the court or the president and is he going to blink?

[Steve Bannon]

Donald Trump does not blink. Donald Trump's about action. And driving through. Look, and this is what's so providential about the election being stolen in 2020. He had four years as kind of in exile. Right. Kind of a lion in winter. This thing has been so thought through. The team has been so put together. And remember, these are people that volunteered for this back in 21 and 22, understanding by getting on this Trump team and working through these issues, lawyers, people like Stephen Miller, Brooks Rollins, the people at Heritage, Russ Vogt, who are now all the core team, they understood by signing up for this in those early years, you were basically anathema to the Republican establishment. You wouldn't be in a Nikki Haley administration. You would not be in a Ron DeSantis administration. So it's all in. Trump is not only not going to blink, he's going to win. But you're absolutely correct. There's going to come. This is going to come. It's going to build up to a crescendo. And we're going to seeand this is why I keep telling people one side's going to win and one side's going to lose. There's nothere's nothing to compromise. There's two different theories about what the Constitution says, what the framers had in mind and what this country is. And it's either a constitutional republic under the rule of law or it's not. And that is what you're going to see in this kind of battle that's going to take place and continue to reach as a crescendo.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

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