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Bannon’s War Room – Episode 4754: Kennedy Hearings Live

Date: September 4, 2025
Host: Steve Bannon (WarRoom.org)
Main Guests/Speakers: Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (Secretary of Health and Human Services), Senators Wyden, Cassidy, Bennett, Warner, Crapo, Cantwell

Episode Overview

This episode centers on the live coverage and commentary of the highly charged Senate hearings for Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. The session, dubbed by Bannon as a "Star Chamber" and "inquisition," focuses chiefly on Kennedy’s dramatic overhaul of federal vaccine advisory panels, his stance on vaccine safety, the role of the CDC, and broader debates over the direction of American public health. The War Room team cuts in and out of the hearing, highlighting moments of confrontation between Kennedy and Democratic senators, and providing analysis geared towards their audience.

Key Themes and Discussion Points

1. Vaccine Policy, Advisory Panels, and Public Health

Kennedy’s major reform: firing and replacing CDC vaccine advisory panel members, with replacement by what critics call “vaccine skeptics” or “conspiracy theorists.”
Fierce debate over the safety and efficacy of childhood vaccines and mRNA technology.
Allegations and defense regarding the politicization of health agencies.

2. Public Accusations and Political Theater

Democrats, led by Sen. Wyden, accuse Kennedy of fueling vaccine skepticism, empowering “crackpots,” causing chaos at public health agencies, and direct harm to American children.
Conflict over role of science, transparency, and alleged personal/political profit motives in Kennedy’s acts as HHS Secretary.

3. Structural Healthcare Changes

The Trump administration’s major rural healthcare investment through the “One Big Beautiful Bill.”
Ongoing disputes about cuts to Medicaid/healthcare funding and resultant impact on rural and vulnerable communities.

4. Broader Culture War Battlelines

Framing of Kennedy and Trump as fighting “Deep State,” “Big Pharma,” and the “medical-industrial complex.”
Frequent invocation of “Make America Healthy Again” and attacks on legacy public health leadership.

Detailed Segment Summaries with Quotes & Timestamps

I. Opening Host Commentary and Vaccine Debate ([00:00] – [03:20])

Topic: Host Steve Bannon and others tee up the national divide over childhood vaccines, referencing RFK Jr.'s influence on government policy.
Major Point: Sharp criticism of Kennedy’s overhaul at CDC, with Bannon and RFK Jr. both defending and explaining the move.
Notable Quote:
- RFK Jr.: "There’s no scientific evidence that any of the childhood vaccinations... have been making children sick. The science doesn’t beg it." ([00:37])
- Senator Wyden: "When ideology starts intruding on public health, you’re going in a dangerous direction because science comes under attack." ([02:13])
Reference to Real-World Impact: Noting declining pediatric hospital capacity, rising measles outbreaks and broader fears for public health.

II. The Senate "Star Chamber" – Kennedy v. Wyden and Democrats ([10:49] – [39:48])

1. Senator Wyden’s Broadside ([10:49] – [18:26])

Wyden accuses Kennedy of spreading chaos, elevating “crackpots,” threatening children, and enriching himself.
Insists the committee formally "swear in" Kennedy due to distrust in his honesty, a request rejected by Chair Crapo.
Quote:
- Wyden: "Robert Kennedy has elevated conspiracy theorists, crackpots and grifters to make life or death decisions about the health care of the American people." ([11:46])
- "He puts children in harm’s way every single day." ([16:46])

2. Kennedy’s Opening Statement ([19:36] – [27:16])

Kennedy honors fallen CDC security officer; outlines a new “Make America Healthy Again” approach by targeting chronic diseases and reforming “broken” federal health agencies.
Lays blame for chronic disease crisis and COVID failings at the feet of his CDC predecessors: “They did not do their job. This was their job to keep us healthy.” ([31:30])
Emphasizes rooting out conflicts of interest and restoring CDC to “gold standard.”
Quote:
- "The people at CDC who oversaw that process, who put masks on our children, who closed our schools, are the people who will be leaving…We need bold, competent and creative new leadership." ([25:15])
Highlights savings from cutting duplicative enrollments, rural health initiatives, and focus on nonpartisan, evidence-based public health.

III. Rural Health Investments & Systemic Reform ([27:16] – [32:46])

Discussion shifts to the financial state of rural hospitals, with Kennedy and Chair Crapo jointly touting the $50 billion rural investment as historic.
Kennedy uses the statistics on chronic disease to frame the current U.S. health crisis: 76.4% of Americans have chronic disease, up from 11% in 1963 and just 3% in 1950.
- Quote:
  - Kennedy: "8 out of 10 of our kids cannot qualify for military service. This is a national security issue." ([31:30])
  - "If we don’t end this chronic disease, we are the sickest country in the world." ([32:34])

IV. Heavy Fire: Vaccine Panel Shakeup & Science v. Skepticism ([32:46] – [39:48])

Wyden and others use testimony and op-eds to accuse Kennedy of stacking vaccine advisory committees with fringe figures, undermining scientific credibility, and hiding conflicts of interest.
RFK Jr. counters that previous panels were “pervaded with conflicts of interest” due to pharma influence and that his appointees represent a depoliticization.
Key Moment:
- Wyden: "Scientists and doctors are saying otherwise. They’re all wrong too. They’re all lying?" ([36:31])
- RFK Jr.: "Maybe you’re listening to a selective group of people." ([37:03])
Wyden closes: "How many preventable child deaths are an acceptable sacrifice for enacting an agenda that I think is fundamentally cruel and defies common sense?" ([38:19])
- RFK Jr. retorts: "Senator, you’ve sat in that chair for how long, 20, 25 years, while the chronic disease in our children went up to 76% and you said nothing." ([39:02])

V. Host Commentary & Broader “War Room” Framing ([40:10] – [53:13])

Bannon recaps the exchange, framing Kennedy as a “fighter” standing up to a health “deep state.”
Characterizes the hearings as a full-court press by Democrats (and some Republicans) to “inquisit” and ultimately remove Kennedy, asserting that the process is less about truth and more about power over health and narrative.

VI. Further Senate Exchanges: Bennett, Cassidy, Warner ([53:13] – [69:08])

1. Senator Bennett Goes on Offense ([53:13] – [58:29])

Grills Kennedy on appointing Dr. Malone and others with fringe vaccine views to advisory panels.
Raises fears over rollback of childhood vaccine requirements.
Notable Quote:
- "These are common back-to-school vaccinations for children all over the industrialized world. If you change that, you owe parents ... transparency." ([54:12])
- Kennedy responds: “All the evidence is transparent for the first time in history. And you were never there complaining when the pharmaceutical companies were picking those people..." ([57:06])

2. Senator Cassidy: The Doctor’s Angle ([58:30] – [64:33])

Cassidy praises Operation Warp Speed, questions Kennedy about HHS’s cancellation of mRNA vaccine contracts.
Pushes on Kennedy’s perceived inconsistency—supporting warp speed but litigating against mandates.
Raises concern over conflicts of interest for new panel members as paid witnesses.
Kennedy: "It may be a bias, and that bias, if disclosed, is okay, but it’s not a financial conflict." ([63:11])

3. Senator Warner: Science vs. Skepticism ([64:33] – [69:08])

Warner accuses Kennedy of undermining technological leadership, refusing to support “the science” that saved millions, and perpetrating hoaxes around public health.
Promotes the role of Western states and academia as the future of evidence-based health.
Kennedy responds: “Yes, I want to fix the system. And that’s what we’re doing, fixing systematically to make premiums lower. That’s what President Trump wants to do.” ([67:44])

VII. Noteworthy Confrontations & Quotes

“This is the Star Chamber. ... I promised you an inquisition on Bobby Kennedy. The Democrats can’t help themselves. Lie after lie after lie. But big pharma’s getting their money’s worth today.”
— Steve Bannon ([73:02])
“You mean out of the pharmaceutical paradigm?”
— RFK Jr., challenging Senator Bennett on what constitutes mainstream science ([55:48])
“You've sat in that chair for how long? 20, 25 years, while the chronic disease in our children went up to 76% and you said nothing.”
— RFK Jr. to Wyden ([39:02])
“The women who were talking about Epstein, do you think they were a hoax yesterday?”
— Senator Warner challenging Kennedy on unrelated controversies ([67:56])

Memorable Moments, Highlights, and Tone

Kennedy’s Defiance: Kennedy repeatedly stands firm under aggressive questioning, insisting his reforms are about breaking pharmaceutical influence, restoring scientific independence, and tackling the root causes of the chronic disease crisis.
Senate Hostility: Democratic senators maintain a relentlessly prosecutorial tone, with multiple demands for “yes or no,” repeated accusations of dishonesty, and warnings of dire consequences.
Host Framing: Bannon consistently characterizes the event as a power struggle between “the people” (Kennedy/Trump) and the health establishment, deep state, and “Big Pharma.”
Recurring Motif: Calls for radical transparency, depoliticization of science, and upending legacy CDC processes — met in turn by demands for adherence to established science and alarmist warnings about public health consequences.

Key Timestamps for Major Segments

00:37–01:09: RFK Jr. on lack of scientific evidence linking routine childhood vaccines to harm
10:49–18:55: Wyden’s opening accusation and attempt to have Kennedy sworn in
19:36–27:16: Kennedy’s opening statement on HHS reforms and CDC overhaul
31:30–32:38: Kennedy recites chronic disease statistics as argument for radical change
34:16–37:53: Intense Q&A between Wyden and Kennedy about advisory panels, pharma conflicts, and ethics
53:13–58:29: Bennett confronts Kennedy about advisory panel appointees’ controversial views
58:30–64:33: Cassidy’s questioning on mRNA vaccine policy and conflicts of interest
64:33–69:08: Warner’s clash over science, technology, and accusations of hoaxes

Conclusion

Episode 4754 of the War Room provides a real-time, unfiltered window into an exceptionally partisan and dramatic Senate hearing. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is cast both as a lightning rod for national controversy and a standard bearer for the Trump administration’s populist health agenda. The episode is defined by its relentless confrontation, vivid rhetoric, and the wider War Room narrative that American health and governance are at a crucible moment—with vaccine policy, scientific credibility, and the battle against chronic disease at the center.

For Further Listening

Listeners wanting to understand the core conflicts in today's health policy and the deep ideological divides in U.S. governance will find this episode a rich, if fiery, resource—with real-time soundbites, political theater, and both sides’ starkly differing visions for the future of American health.

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Transcript

Senator Bennett (0:00)

And a lot of what we've heard.

Host/Commentator (possibly Steve Bannon) (0:01)

From Bobby Kennedy Jr. Just amplified now.

Senator Bennett (0:04)

Because of the position he finds himself in. All this skepticism about vaccines. Now packing that panel at Health and Human Services with vaccine skeptics.

Host/Commentator (possibly Steve Bannon) (0:14)

Can you just address.

Senator Bennett (0:15)

Let's just take these basic. These basic vaccines that kids have been.

Senator Cassidy (0:19)

Taking for generations to go to school.

Host/Commentator (possibly Steve Bannon) (0:22)

Are there questions around them?

Senator Cassidy (0:23)

Do they make people sick?

Host/Commentator (possibly Steve Bannon) (0:25)

Have they been making children sick?

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (0:27)

Is there reason for concern?

Senator Bennett (0:29)

And if so, why hasn't that been addressed in the, the, I don't know.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (0:32)

80 years since they've been around?

Host/Commentator (possibly Steve Bannon) (0:35)

I mean, Willie, you're signaling it.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (0:37)

No, the answer is no. There's no scientific evidence that any of the childhood vaccinations. Let's take tetanus, measles, mumps and rubella, polio vaccine. I mean, these are just fundamental, foundational things that no other country in the entire world, by the way, is having a similar type of discussion at their governmental level. We are because of the people that are currently in power. But there is no reason why the other countries across the globe are having a similar discussion. Discussion, because the science doesn't beg it. There's no incidence of increased side effects.

Host/Commentator (possibly Steve Bannon) (1:09)

There's no links to autism.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (1:11)

This is one man with his agenda in the power to really enact his agenda. That's RFK Jr. I'll lastly say here, just on this topic, of why this matters to American families across the spectrum, because Florida is likely just the canary in the coal mine there. We're probably going to see this in more states across the country, just like we saw here on the west coast, that they're banding together to create their own coalition to counter the cdc. We're going to see this likely happen in more places for everybody out there. Something that has happened since 2008, Willie, is that pediatric beds across the country have declined. 20% decrease in pediatric bed capacity in children's hospitals across the country. Why does that matter? Just at the time that Ladapo and Desantis are doing this in Florida, creating more burden of illness for kids, there's less beds to actually deal with the aftermath than we saw in West Texas. When you have a measles epidemic that lands kidney kids in the hospital that need supplemental oxygen, likely in an icu. We have less of those beds, Willie. It's crazy.

Host/Commentator (possibly Steve Bannon) (8:37)

We're going to dip in and out of this. This is going to be an inquisition of Bobby Kennedy. The Democrats all night long have been plotting and planning. They want to remove Kennedy. They look at Senator Cassidy from Louisiana as the, as the weak link here. So we're going to find out we're cut in and out. I'm sure we'll probably show more Democratic senators than Republican and we're going to try to get to as many of Bobby Kennedy's answers as possible. So just let me know when it's passed, particularly to a Democrat, Mr. Producer, so we can go back and hear the vitriol. We're going to try to take commercial breaks. We may not be able to. If we can't, we'll just go right through and break the commercials like we did yesterday. I wanted to make sure one of the key things we wanted yesterday, which I think is very important because Fox almost showed none of it. I thought it was quite important from the very first to the very end that you saw all the Epstein victims and bro Khanna and, and what Tom Massey's trying to do or trying to do with the discharge petition. I don't believe they picked up any votes yesterday. Viva Fry has had some interesting comments and observations on, on this yesterday and I've asked Viva to join us probably in the second or third block. Here's what we're going to do on the show today. We're going to go in and out of Bobby Kennedy's hearing because it's vitally important for make America healthy again. And Bobby Kennedy, we believe, is doing a terrific job. Now, I would like to see more aggressive leaning into it, calm strategy over there to get more information out. If we had that, I think, quite frankly, the star Chamber element of this could have been avoided today. But be that as it may, Bobby Kennedy, I'm sure will be putting forward the best evidence today. And remember, 3500 of you worked under the guidance of what Amy Kelly and Naomi Wolf over Daily Cloud to come up with the Pfizer papers, which were extraordinary and were elemental in moving this discussion forward. Of course, what we have is that Bobby has cut off all current research and I believe all future research in the Gene Therapies let's go back. We're going to go to Wyden. We're going to get some of the nasty ones right of the box. Let's go ahead and listening.

Senator Wyden (10:49)

Most of the senior leadership at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention were fired or they resigned after refusing to bow to Robert Kennedy's unceasing crusade against vaccines. I traveled across Oregon last month and the message was the same from one end of the state to the other. Families are confused. They're scared about who to trust about their health care. Robert Kennedy and Donald Trump have done so much to feed that mistrust. This morning, my staff, in partnership with Senator Also Brook's team, is releasing a report that shows the disaster of Robert Kennedy's 203 days in office. Every single day, there's been an action that endangers the health and wellness of American families. Robert Kennedy has elevated conspiracy theorists, crackpots and grifters to make life or death decisions about the health care of the American people. Robert Kennedy's tenure is so far marked by three calling cards. One is chaos at federal health agencies, leaving families, doctors and the entire nation confused and frightened. Corruption that benefits Robert Kennedy, Donald Trump and their friends at the expense of taxpayers and higher health costs for families. I ask unanimous consent, Mr. Chairman, to enter this report into the record without objection. Then there's chaos. It's been obvious from the start that Robert Kennedy's primary interest is to take vaccines away from Americans. During his confirmation process, he claimed to be pro safety and pro science. But his actions reveal a steadfast commitment to elevating junk science and fringe conspiracies. His agenda has not been about choices and information for families. Just last week, he threatened doctors that deviated from the new anti science vaccine guidelines he released that make it harder for pregnant women and children to get the COVID vaccine. And then there's corruption. Robert Kennedy's bizarre statements and actions beg the question why? Democrats on this committee answered that question months ago. Robert Kennedy can enrich himself and his allies. His family still stands to gain from class action lawsuits against vaccine makers. Now, Robert Kennedy fired every member, every single one of the group responsible for making vaccine recommendations to doctors across the country under the false pretense of conflicts of interest. Meanwhile, many of the new members of the panel are outright vaccine deniers who've appeared as paid witnesses in lawsuits against vaccine makers. Their conflicts of interest and ethics disclosures remain hidden under lock and key. On top of all this bedlam in American health care, just two months ago, Donald Trump Signed into law the largest health care cuts in American history to pay for tax breaks for the wealthiest people and massive corporations in our country. Republicans know these cuts are going to hit communities like a wrecking ball. That's why they push the most severe cuts until after the election. That's why their members already introduced bills to roll back some of the cuts. Make no mistake, though, those cuts are being felt right now. We're seeing hospitals in Idaho cutting payments. Hospitals and nursing homes. Providence Seaside Hospital in Oregon announced they're shutting down their labor and delivery unit. Every family is going to feel the burden of Trump care in America. Premiums are going to spike next year, especially for those who buy health insurance on their own. But the effects will be felt by those who get insurance also through an employer. Congress has an opportunity to extend the Affordable Care act tax credits that lower the cost of premiums. Democrats are ready to pass an extension that stops a dramatic premium spike that would force many families to pay double what they do today. Instead of finding ways to help American families pay less for health care, Robert Kennedy is focused on his anti vaccine mission, fueled by some kind of complex that the consequences be damned. Amid this litany of corruption and chaos, the one point I have to underline is Robert Kennedy puts children in harm's way every single day in America. To my Republican colleagues, I must ask, what line must Robert Kennedy cross before some of you will also join this alarm. This weekend, under the COVID of darkness, Robert Kennedy attempted to disappear hundreds of children under his care at Office of Refugee Resettlement Facilities. These children here, without parents or family, were rounded up in the middle of the night and put on planes to Guatemala. Lawyers on the ground described unthinkable scenes. Our staff, some who are here today, were partying to this in the middle of the night. And one child said to their lawyer, why do they want to send me back? My mom is dead and my dad abuses me. Why do they want to hurt me? This was an actual conversation. These actions were illegal. Documents show that many of these children were in the country to escape trafficking in their homeland. Mr. Kennedy calls himself a protector of children. Some kind of rich claim, claiming from somebody who's flown on Jeffrey Epstein's private jet on multiple occasions. I don't think Robert Kennedy should be within a million miles of this job. Republicans on the committee had a chance to prevent the public health train wreck that Mr. Kennedy has engineered. Everyone voted for him. It is in the country's best interest that Robert Kennedy step down. And if he doesn't, Donald Trump should Fire him before more people are hurt by his reckless disregard for science and the truth. I also would like to note Senator Cantwell has joined us in this effort. I hope at the very least Robert Kennedy has the decency to tell the truth this morning. Mr. President. Excuse me, Mr. Chairman. I have a procedural request I'd like to make at this time. It's a short one.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (22:20)

As I was saying, prior authorization, information blocking, and health care interoperability. We are ending gain of function research, child mutilation, and reducing animal testing. We are addressing cell phone use in schools, excessive screen time for youth, the lack of nutrition education in our medical schools, sickle cell anemia, hepatitis C, the East Palestine chemical spill, and many, many others. At fda, we are now on track to approve more drugs this year than at any time in history. I'm also proud to say that HHS under President Trump is doing more with less. We have taken measures to fight waste, fraud and abuse. Just by eliminating duplicative enrollments in CMS, we are saving taxpayers $14 billion a year. Meanwhile, we are expanding access for people who need it. We are ending racist diversity, equity and inclusion practices and instead focusing on aiding low income and vulnerable families regardless of their race, which was the original intent of title 10. We're also pouring a billion dollars into Head Start and the Administration for Children and Families. Compassion need not be the casualty of efficiency. I'd like to highlight some issues that have not gotten media attention. First, we are doing our part to fulfill the President's commitment to stop human trafficking, especially of children. We inherited a terrible humanitarian crisis from the previous administration with its open border policies, which allowed the appalling loss of 476,000 unaccompanied children. We have implemented policies now to ensure that that appalling tragedy can never happen again. We have knocked on 82,000 doors and located 22,000 of those children. I promise you that we will do more in the next three years. We are also addressing the disastrous health conditions in tribal communities on Native American reservations. I've met face to face with tribal leaders in dozens of communities and tribes in Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, New York, New Mexico and elsewhere, and I look forward to making HHS resources more available to those communities. One of the most significant initiatives under President Trump is the Rural Health Transformation Fund, part of the President's big beautiful bill, which will provide the greatest investment of federal money into rural health care in history. Finally, I would like to address the reasons shake up, said cdc. These changes were absolutely necessary adjustments to restore the agency to its role as the world's gold standard public health agency with a central mission of protecting Americans from infectious disease. CDC failed that responsibility miserably during COVID when its disastrous and nonsensical policies destroyed small businesses racing, violated civil liberties, closed our schools, caused generational damage in doing so, masked infants with no science and heightened economic inequality. Yet all those oppressive and unscientific interventions failed to do anything about the disease itself. America is home to 4.2% of the world's population. We had nearly 20% of the COVID deaths. We literally did worse than any country in the world. The people at CDC who oversaw that process, who put masks on our children, who closed our schools, are the people who will be leaving. That's why we need bold, competent and creative new leadership at cdc, people able and willing to chart a new course. As my father once said, progress is a nice word, change is its motivator and change has its enemies. That's why we need new blood at cdc. That's also why it's imperative that we remove officials with conflicts of interest and catastrophically bad judgment and political agendas. We need unbiased politics, free, transparent, evidence based science in the public interest. Those are the guiding principles behind the changes at the cdc. And that is what you can expect all across our agency for the next three years.

Host/Commentator (possibly Steve Bannon) (40:10)

Senator Grassley, first of all, thank you. I have asked HH secretaries in the past to fully utilize the Rural Community Hospital demonstration program under Medicare. The program has been underutilized. In May, this CMS filled the open slots, thanks to your agents. I told you, it's going to be a star chamber right there. You saw Wyden going right at Bobby Kennedy with nothing but invective. Bobby Kennedy, RFK Jr. I thought, had a great response at the end when they cut him off. Hey, yo, bro, you've been here for 25 years. Have you ever. When the illness of kids and chronic disease to make us the sickest country in the world, the most advanced industrial power, post industrial power, the sickest nation on earth. It's the whole reason for the Make America Healthy Again movement. And I can tell by the chats that you're infuriated and you should be infuriated. I told you this was going to be a star chamber. This is an inquisition, not simply about Bobby Kennedy, but the entire Maha movement and the fundamental beliefs in trying to clean this mess up and really back down big pharmacy from making this country sicker. And you're going to see it. This is. This is a. You talk about great powers, you know, the great power Struggle we have geopolitically. Right. My crack staff is going to tell me when we got another Democrat because that's where the action is going to be when they come after him. See the day of the, the Financial Times about the parade, the military gathering in, in China, in Beijing, which capped off the, at the Tiananmen Square. That capped off, you know, right there, great powers, Putin, Kim, you know, mini me in North Korea. Xi brought all the, all the enemies together, right? The Persians, all of them, as I've said for years, they're going to do what you're seeing this on Capitol Hill right now, play out in real time the great powers of the, of the oligarchs that, that run health care in this country. Big pharma, big medical, the big insurance companies. This is the Finance Committee. Keep that in mind. This is the Finance Committee. They really have the overall. That was the first committee that Bobby Kennedy went to for his, in his confirmation here. Remember we played the confirmation hearings. Just harken back to that because they're going to throw that up in his face every day about how you change these committees. And Dr. Malone runs this. Was it a sip right now? And they said, oh, you promised you wouldn't change it. And you've changed and gotten all the hacks off it and put other people on it and firing a cdc. Bobby Kennedy came out at the beginning breathing fire and what do you say? Hey America, you know, the stats are off the charts. We've been getting sicker every year. CDC is in charge of that. Those four people had to go and he fired them as he has the ability to do. And he fired the head of CDC also. Yeah, we're going to take this break and then we'll come back. Look, we're going to be going in and out of this hearing throughout the morning because we must. This is one of the many huge battles on the deconstruction of the administrative state and to be brutally frank about it, deconstruction of the deep state. Because cdc, you have to look for those linkages. CDC is a hardwired linkage into the World Health Organization and it's time that America took the power back. This is what President Trump gave us with the MAGA movement, the Make America Great Again and the merger and convergence with Nicole Shanahan and the great people that worked for her about Big Ag and about, you know, getting, getting our food right, the ultra processed food, getting it, you know, ending that and getting people to eat healthy again. And she said the solution with this is in the soil couple with Bobby Kennedy and what they've been fighting for. We had Mary Holland on last night. She's in the audience right now. And as I'm teasing her, I said, I told you it was going to be an inquisition. These Democrats are going to be off the chain today, coming at Bobby Kennedy. Now we're going to put in some other people. I've got, I've got Aviva Fry. He's going to be with us. Jan from Epoch Times. Jan's got a great piece about the buried lead of this. I gave a little talk today over at Heritage. The buried lead of this is the most important thing that Xi and Putin talked about was, wait for it, them living to 150 years old on freshly warm organs taken from living human beings. Oh, by the way, on the path to immortality. If you heard that sidebar conversation, Aviva Fry is going to be here. V was, I would say, less than impressed by the event yesterday. And that's why I wanted to show, show you entirely, with no editorial comment, that you guys can start to get this information and start to make your own decisions about where this Epstein thing's going. I don't think the discharge position is, discharge petition is going to make it. I'm not sure they get any more Republicans. President Trump said, hey, if you vote for that, it's a hostile act. Mike Johnson, the speaker, they've got, they've got oversight looking at this. They're going to release documents. So we'll try to get all that sorted out with Viva Fry. 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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (69:14)

Mr. Secretary. I agree with a lot of my colleagues statement. I actually had hoped. I didn't support you. I thought taking on chronic illnesses was going to be important. I've got two kids, as we discussed when we met, that have chronic illnesses. I'm not sure that the focus on red dye and seed oils are going to fully solve that problem. Of course they won't. I would say this. That seems where your emphasis is. I want to go back to just again some basic facts. Do you accept the fact that a million Americans died from COVID I don't know how many. You're the Secretary of Health and Human Services. You don't have any idea how many Americans died from COVID I don't think anybody knows because the there was so much data chaos coming out of the CDC and there was incentives and these are. You don't know the answer of how many Americans from COVID This is the Secretary of Health and Human Services. Do you think the vaccine did anything to prevent additional deaths? Again, I would like to see the data and talk about the data. You had had this job for eight months and you don't know the data about whether the vaccine. The problem is that they didn't have the data. The data by the Biden administration absolutely does. So when Ada who is politicizing, you're saying the Biden administration politicized all the data. Go back to what Cantwell just fired Dr. Trump, surgeon general. They fired Dr. Grant. They fired all all the people who question the orthodoxy. They fired Dr. Gruber, Dr. Kaus chairman. The Secretary of Health and Human Services doesn't no matter how many Americans died from COVID let them know if the vaccine helped prevent any deaths. And you were sitting as Secretary of Health and Human Services. How can you be that ignorant? Like you know, I remember when we went through the hearing with you, I asked you about community health centers. You didn't know what role they play. I've been visiting community. I'm glad you got to one think in April. I tell you what I hear in community health centers. They are terrified. With all due respect to my good friend, the chairman of the big awful bill because they are going to lose health care across the board. They already live in food deserts. They can't get to a nutritionist because Medicaid doesn't do enough reimbursement. If you're going to want Americans to get healthier, should they have access to nutritionists should they have access to good science about healthy food? Absolutely. Well, then how is that going to happen with the Medicaid cuts that are taking place? There are no cuts to Medicaid, sir. That is an absurd. There is not a single, some of my Republican colleagues, but there is not a single study that does not. I can tell you I was in Franklin, Virginia a couple days ago. The rural hospital is going to close. The hospital system was so afraid they wouldn't even let me have the meeting there. But that rural hospital is going to close and they are looking for where those folks are going to go. I mean, you're supposed to be doing health care policy, not being the doctor in residence for all of America. I hope I can say I'm still going to trust my doctors doctor rather than your health advice. And obviously Tom Cotton's gonna, who knows who he's gonna trust. But let me, let me go back to policy for a couple. So maybe we'll lower the temperature a little bit. I got a bipartisan bill that would be a systemic fix, not a vote buying mechanism when Medicaid's getting cut than what was put in on the rural hospitals. One of the things we could do, Mr. Secretary, is.

Host/Commentator (possibly Steve Bannon) (73:02)

Let me have this for a second. We get, we have a couple things we have to get to. Is Viva Fry still with us? So Viva, I had to cut short the yesterday, but right there you saw Cantwell come right at Bobby Kennedy because President Trump did say immediately afterwards this is all a hoax. You've been covering this and I consider you a steady Eddy, safe pair of hands. You call them as you see them. I think some people sent me things on Twitter yesterday. You were less than impressed by the, by the victims, by the victim's presentation yesterday. And I want to just add that I think we're the only at least conservative channel that showed it in its entirety because I wanted the audience to hear it all without any commercial interruptions or without any editorial comment. What are your thoughts, Viva Frye? We'll start with certain premises, one of which is that Pam Bondi's rollout of the Epstein files has been an utter debacle. It's been disastrous. It's compromised Trump goodwill unnecessarily. So. And I am of the opinion that Pam Bondi should have been fired even before the Epstein files for her lack of dealing with the Douglas mackey case. The doctor, I forget his last name. Dr. Morris case. Continuing Biden era prosecutions of people under the Trump administration. The rollout has been a debacle I support the full disclosure of everything related to the Epstein files to the extent it can be legally disclosed. Which is why back in the day, Massie putting forward that motion with Ro Khanna is good. I support it. There's no but to that. The hearing yesterday, if I'm Douglas Massie, I'm watching that and I'm saying this is what happens when you get into bed with strange political bedfellows like that hearing yesterday now makes the discharge petition look like a absolute partisan, I should not say witch hunt. It looks like it's become a partisan tool. It's been hijacked and co opted by forces that I think are not after transparency for the Epstein documents because if they were, they would have taken that bullhorn and that podium that they had yesterday and named the names that they admit and know that they have of their own abusers. So the everything that we saw yesterday sent like promotion, promotion of podcasts, promotion of, I don't know, hit lists that they're going to be preparing internally and not even of abusers of anyone in orbit. It sounds exactly like what they. Hang on one second. I want to hold you through the break. This is important because you wanted to hear at least some names, right? So let's. We're going to take a short break. We're going to return. We got Viva Fry, we've got Jan from Epic Times. We're going to get back to the hearing. I promised you a star chamber. I promised you an inquisition on Bobby Kennedy. The Democrats can't help themselves. Lie after lie after lie. But big farmers getting their money's worth today. Short break. Back in the war in a moment.