Episode 4756: Meltdown At The Kennedy Hearing; Cuts To Defense Fund

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Podcast Episode Summary

Podcast: Bannon's War Room
Episode: 4756: Meltdown At The Kennedy Hearing; Cuts To Defense Fund
Date: September 4, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon (with Dave Bratt hosting much of the episode)

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Overview of the Episode

This episode intensely dissects recent congressional hearings concerning COVID policy, vaccine mandates, and defense spending—with a special focus on the "meltdown" at the hearing involving Secretary Xavier Becerra and Senator Kennedy. The show navigates the politicization of scientific committees, defense budget increases, America’s energy security, and the information war around COVID-19, featuring guest analysis from Dr. Naomi Wolf and energy expert David Walsh. A recurring theme is the claim that key health and defense decisions are driven by political and economic interests rather than objective science or national interest.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Kennedy Hearing and Vaccine Policy Meltdown

• Who was involved: Senators Bill Cassidy, Kennedy, Mark Warner; Secretary Xavier Becerra

• Topics:

  • Politicization and conflicts of interest in the US public health committees, especially relating to vaccine recommendations.
  • Senator Cassidy accuses Secretary Becerra of making children vulnerable by restricting RSV and COVID vaccine access.
  • Becerra counters, stating committee reform was meant to “depolliticize” and eliminate pharma conflicts.
  • Senator Kennedy accuses HHS of denying vaccines by changing eligibility/recommendations, challenging Becerra on earlier promises not to restrict access.
  • Becerra retorts that vaccines for which there is “no clinical data” should not be recommended or mandated coverage.

  Memorable Exchanges:

  • "I will put my mailbag against your mailbag any day of the week." – Secretary Becerra to Senator Cassidy [01:27]
  • "You promised that you would not take away vaccines from anyone who wanted them. You just changed the classification of the COVID vaccine." – Senator Kennedy [03:39]
  • "I'm not taking them away from people, Senator." – Secretary Becerra [03:51]

2. Politicization and Transparency in Health Policy

• Bannon/Panel’s View:
  Officials, notably under both Trump and Biden, have allowed public health policy, especially around COVID, to become thoroughly politicized. This includes the firing of dissenting scientists and allegations of manipulated or incomplete data reporting.

  • "We were lied to about natural immunity… the vaccines would prevent transmission… It wasn’t true. They knew it from the start." – Secretary Becerra [05:13]
  • "The CDC allowed the teachers union to write the order closing our schools… and then pretend it was science based." – Becerra [05:13]

• RFK Jr.’s Role:
  Dr. Naomi Wolf and Dave Bratt frame RFK Jr. as standing alone for “transparency” and “platinum science,” facing hostile senators allegedly beholden to Big Pharma.

3. Big Pharma’s Influence and Accountability

• Wolf and Bratt allege bipartisan congressional corruption through pharma dollars.

  • "Are you saying that we’re all corrupt because we take pharma money?" – paraphrased by Wolf from Bernie Sanders in the hearing [19:13]
  • "Senators are bought and paid for by big pharma… shouting for the nearly a million dollars or more that they are getting." – Dr. Naomi Wolf [19:13]

• Wolf contends public hearings are no longer “theater,” and a “massive crime scene” could emerge if Trump (now questioning Pfizer’s data) and RFK Jr. align against the vaccine establishment.

  • "It’s a massive criminal… fraud, battery, violation of the Nuremberg Code, manslaughter… if the power of the White House gets behind HHS." – Dr. Naomi Wolf [23:42]

4. Philosophical Reflection: Truth, Science, and the Academy

• Dave Bratt and Dr. Naomi Wolf lament the decline of scientific and moral truth-seeking in political and academic discourse, blaming postmodern relativism for the collapse of trust.
  • Wolf references her Yale linguistics professor and the “meaninglessness” taught by post-structuralism.
  • Bratt recommends The Closing of the American Mind by Allan Bloom and invokes Plato and Karl Popper on the impossibility of perfect truth.

5. Economic and Defense Policy: “America First” Under Threat

• Defense Budget Concerns (with Wade Miller):

  • Miller (Citizens for Renewing America) says current House/Senate defense budgets go “way beyond what the President has requested,” tied up with regulatory burdens and spending streams that restrain a putative “America First” agenda.
  • Example: Funding increases to Ukraine, continued spending on defense contractors, and ineffective or “woke” military provisions.

  Quotes:

  • “Congress pushing its own parochial agenda… this is just how the NDA process works.” – Wade Miller [49:25]
  • "Stop kneecapping the President and statute from being able to execute his agenda." – Wade Miller [48:39]

• Economic Stability / Federal Reserve Critique:

  • Bratt slams the Federal Reserve for accommodating “$2 trillion deficits every year,” warning of impending inflation and an unsustainable $57 trillion federal debt projection.

6. America’s Energy Crisis and “Green” Policies

• David Walsh (Energy Analyst):

  • Warns about overwhelming US dependence on Chinese solar/battery imports (87% of panels, 87% of batteries).
  • Criticizes both red and blue states for escalating renewables (91% of new US capacity is solar/battery but “six times more costly” than conventional), fueling utility rate spikes.
  • Demands halt to Chinese energy imports – warns against sacrificing US energy security “for a trade deal.”
  • Europe, meanwhile, is sidestepping sanctions, buying discounted Russian energy.

  Key Quotes:

  • “We need to throw our bodies in front of the Chinese importation… 87% of solar panels… from China.” – David Walsh [36:01]
  • “This is the ruination of the US energy supply. As long as this is happening, you’re not going to buy gas from the United States.” – David Walsh [39:07]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments with Timestamps

• [01:27] Secretary Becerra: "I will put my mailbag against your mailbag any day of the week."
• [03:39] Senator Kennedy: "You promised that you would not take away vaccines from anyone who wanted them. You just changed the classification…"
• [05:13] Secretary Becerra: "We were lied to about everything… The CDC allowed the teachers union to write the order closing our schools… and then pretend it was science based."
• [19:13] Dr. Naomi Wolf: "The American people have clearly seen that their senators are bought and paid for by big pharma…"
• [23:42] Dr. Naomi Wolf: "It’s a massive criminal… if the power of the White House gets behind HHS… crimes from fraud, battery, violation of the Nuremberg Code…"
• [36:01] David Walsh: "We need to throw our bodies in front of the Chinese importation… 87% of solar panels, 87% of battery storage, 60% of inverters all coming from China."
• [48:39] Wade Miller: "Stop kneecapping the President and statute from being able to execute his agenda."
• [49:25] Wade Miller: "This is just how the NDA process works. It's Congress pushing its own parochial agenda."

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:00–05:08: Senatorial grilling of Secretary Becerra on vaccine policy, pharma influence, COVID recommendations.
• 05:08–07:38: Bannon, Bratt, and others reflect on the political nature of COVID response and “the big lie.”
• 07:48–13:44: Dave Bratt on academic “openness,” left/liberal attacks on RFK Jr., introduction of Dr. Naomi Wolf.
• 13:44–15:00: Wolf critiques “safe and effective” narrative, Operation Warp Speed, Trump’s new stance, and consequences for Pfizer.
• 16:59–19:13: Senators Warner and Becerra spar over COVID death data; Wolf unpacks congressional pharma capture.
• 19:13–26:07: The moral/philosophical decay of public discourse (Bratt, Wolf).
• 29:46–32:46: Bratt covers the looming economic crisis, unsustainable debt, and Federal Reserve critique.
• 34:29–42:48: David Walsh diagnoses the energy supply crisis and China-dependence in US renewables.
• 44:57–50:19: Wade Miller on defense budget, NDAA, and constraints on the “America First” agenda.
• 51:03–52:48: Mike Lindell’s segment on FBI phone seizure and My Pillow promo.

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Key Takeaways for Those Who Haven’t Listened

• The episode provides a combative, critical perspective on both public health and defense policy, suggesting that entrenched interests overtly override the will and safety of average Americans.
• COVID-19 policy debates are framed as a proxy war over truth, scientific integrity, and the corrupting influence of Big Pharma; RFK Jr. is positioned as a rare proponent of transparency and reform.
• The show lambasts bipartisan hypocrisy in Congress regarding both health and defense spending: defense budgets rise regardless of rhetoric, and both parties are supposedly compromised by moneyed interests.
• The rise of green energy is depicted not as a win, but as a national security vulnerability—characterized by massive Chinese dominance and the risk of skyrocketing costs for Americans.
• Listeners are urged to be vigilant, skeptical of official narratives, and proactive in advocacy—whether about vaccines, defense funding, or energy policy.

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Recommended Resources Mentioned

• The Closing of the American Mind – Allan Bloom (recommended by Dave Bratt and Dr. Naomi Wolf)
• Dr. Naomi Wolf’s Substack: "Outspoken"
• Citizens for Renewing America analysis on defense policy (by Wade Miller)
• Dave Walsh’s energy commentary (True Social, Getter, X: @DaveWalshEnergy)

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Note: All timestamps are in MM:SS format for reference. Non-content secions (ads, intros/outros) were omitted from this summary for clarity.

Transcript

[Senator Bill Cassidy]

The American Academy of Pediatrics has warned that the committee is being politicized at the expense of children's health. American Academy of Pediatrics. You think they're lying too?

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

I think the American Academy of Pediatrics is gravely conflicted. Their biggest contributors are the four largest vaccine makers. They run a journal, Pediatrics, which they make a lot of money on, that is completely on pharmaceutical companies. So I don't think. I wouldn't put a big stake in what they say that benefits pharmaceutical interest. Senator, I didn't politicize asap. I depoliticize it.

[Senator Bill Cassidy]

Congress has been investigating all over the country, Mr. Secretary. Scientists and doctors are saying otherwise. They're all wrong too. They're all lying.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

According to you, the scientists, doctors are supporting me. All over the country there is division on opinion.

[Senator Bill Cassidy]

I don't get letters from thousands of people who are not political saying that this set of changes is going to damage American health care and particularly these health care agencies for decades to come. I don't get any letters forever.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

Maybe you're listening to a selective group of people.

[Senator Bill Cassidy]

You get. You get me and I will. Fine.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

I will. Tell you what, Senator. I will put my mailbag against your mailbag any day of the week.

[Senator Bill Cassidy]

30 seconds. Dangerous respiratory viruses like RSV are on the agenda for the next advisory meeting. Countless parents have been awakened in the dead of night by a wheezing kid gasping for air, forced to rush their little one to the er. There's no worse heart wrenching fear. The RSV vaccine offers these kids protection against the worst effects of the virus. But now it looks like you're on a crusade to make infants and babies more vulnerable to the terrible illness. That's what we're doing with the COVID changes.

[David Walsh]

And please make your answer brief.

[Senator Bill Cassidy]

Mr. Secretary, I've said the position is indefensible. I think it's possible.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

Congress has been investigating that committee for 23 years because it is pervaded with conflicts of interest. What we did is we got rid of the conflicts of interest and we depoliticized and put great scientists on it from a very diverse group.

[Dave Bratt]

Let me close.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

Very, very pro vaccine.

[Senator Kennedy]

You tell America that all adults and all children over 6 months of age are eligible to get a Covid booster at their local pharmacy today.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

Anybody can get the booster.

[Senator Kennedy]

I'm sorry?

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

Anybody can get it.

[David Walsh]

Anybody.

[Senator Kennedy]

So you're saying that is now the official rule of hhs? Anybody is eligible to get a booster by just walking into the pharmacy?

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

It's not recommended for healthy people.

[Senator Kennedy]

No, no. If you don't recommend, then the consequence of that in many states is that you can't walk into a pharmacy and get one. It means insurance companies don't have to cover the $200 or so cost. As Senator, Dr. Cassidy said, you are effectively denying people vaccines.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

We're not going to recommend a product for which there's no clinical data for that ind. Would you. Is that what I should be doing?

[Senator Kennedy]

What you should be doing is honoring your promise that you made when you were looking to get confirmed in this job.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

You're going like this is.

[Senator Kennedy]

You promised that you would not take away vaccines from anyone who wanted them. You just changed the classification of the COVID vaccine.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

I'm not taking them away from people, Senator.

[Senator Kennedy]

It takes it away. If you can't get it from your.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

Pharmacy, well, most Americans are going to be able to get it from their pharmacy for free, doll. Most Americans will be able to get it from their pharmacy for a year.

[Senator Kennedy]

Everyone who wants it. That was your promise.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

I never promised that I was going to recommend products for which there is no indication.

[Senator Kennedy]

When you said, and I know you've.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

Taken $855,000 from pharmaceutical companies, Senator, did.

[Senator Kennedy]

You hold up a big sign saying that you were lying when you said that? Because you are the one who said you would not take them away. Now, Senator, I'm not taking them away from. Secretary, you.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

You want me to indicate a product for which there is no clinical data center?

[Senator Kennedy]

Is that what you want, Secretary Kennedy? You said you wouldn't and now you did.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

I'm not taking them away. Everybody can get access to them.

[Senator Kennedy]

No, they can't walk into a pharmacy the way they could last month and get access.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

It depends on the state. It depends on the states a year ago, but they can still get it. Everybody can get it. Everybody can get it, Senator.

[Senator Kennedy]

So look, so let's move on. You clearly are taking away vaccine.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Do you believe COVID 19 was politicized?

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

And the whole process was politicized, Senator. I mean, we were lied to about everything. We were lied to about natural immunity. We were lied to about, you know, we were told again and again the vaccines would prevent transmission, they'd prevent infection. It wasn't true. They knew it from the start. It wasn't true because that's what the animal studies and the clinical trial showed. We were told that there was science behind cloth masks. The CDC allowed the teachers union to write the order closing our schools, which hurt working people all over the country, and then pretend it was science based. All of these issues and Then I can show you, for example, Chairman Wyden was talking about me politicizing ACIP during COVID Probably the most famous scientist on ACIP was Martin Kulldorf from Harvard, the great world renowned epidemiologist and vaccinologist. He criticized the COVID booster mandates. They ejected him from COVID because he wasn't in the orthodoxy. The two biggest health officials at FDA during COVID Dr. Gruber and Dr. Krause, criticized the Biden mandates, vaccine mandates. President Biden said in August, I would never take that vaccine, the Trump vaccine. He came in, he mandated it, and then he fired the two top health officials at FDA who said, hey, this thing has not been properly tested. So the whole process was politicized. And even today, so let me.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going with the evil on these people. Christians, I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

I know you try to do everything.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

In the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Senator Bill Cassidy]

And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

[Dave Bratt]

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.

[Senator Bill Cassidy]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Wade Miller]

War room here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[Dave Bratt]

All right, everybody, Dave Bratt in the war room for the great Stephen K. Bannon. Stephen K. Bannon's downtown giving a stem winder to natcon. Can't wait to see the headlines coming out of that. He shared a few lines with me earlier today. It's going to be a good one. So follow him. I was going to be on the show a couple days ago, but news events overtook things. I just want to point everyone's attention. I know you probably don't follow the New York Times every day, but a couple interesting articles, back to back opinion pieces, New York Times, Cass Sunstein, you know, Obama fame and all that. And then the next day another one from one of the big more liberal writers. But they're, they're making rapprochement back to classical liberalism, right? To be open, tolerant conversations, rational discourse, openness. Whenever you hear the term openness, right, it's pervaded the university campuses in our country. I worked on the campuses for the last 30 or 40 years and. Sounds neat until you see what the liberal Project results in. And for anybody who wants a remedy or a quick study on that, read Alan Bloom, right, University of Chicago, great philosopher, Closing American Minds. It's a great book on he blisters the concept of openness, which came to us from a philosopher named Karl Popper, who had a brain, but now it's gone into Soros land. So when you see Soros and the folks doing openness and pushing openness, you gotta ask, in juxtaposition to what? And it's in juxtaposition to just the American classical setup of inalienable rights under law. But the reason I bring it up right now is you just saw a blistering leftist assault on RFK Jr. You know, I think if anybody sees that, their heart just goes out to them. It was so bad. And then the Democrats are bad enough. All political abuse are my own. But then our guy, Republican Dr. Cassidy, says, I'm just gonna approach this as a medical doctor. We're just gonna do science, no politics here. And he goes into just a tirade. I mean, I think he's got, you know, Trump derangement syndrome or something. Folks, Louisiana, you ought to give your senator a call. That was not there was not one scientific thing about his discourse. He didn't go after RFK on one testable proposition, just a bunch of narrative gobbledygook. So to help us decipher this mess, we have brought in the real doctor, Dr. Naomi Wolf. Doctor, thanks for being with us on the War Room. Great to have you. And why don't you just launch and give us your view? You're more skilled than I am in this realm of medicine. Spend your life's work. So have at it. Thanks for being with us. Doctor.

[Dr. Naomi Wolf]

Well, thank you so much for having me. It's great to see you again, and great to be with a posse again. Of course, I'm not a medical doctor. Just full disclosure. I have a DPHIL in literature, but I did have the incredible experience of helping to oversee this project that Steve Bannon launched and that the posse brought to fruition, which did oversee 3,500 medical doctors and scientists, in reading through the 3,500 documents released under court order by Pfizer. So I do know a lot from overseeing these 105 reports about what the fight was about that you just showed clips from. So I will launch in. It's, you know, I've been critical of RFK Jr. In the recent past because I wanted him to move faster and more directly on pulling especially the COVID vaccine off the market. That's the one that due to the work we did on these two books and the evidence from Pfizer's own internal documentation, there is no way to make the case at this point in history because the evidence is out there in public that it's safe and effective. Pfizer concluded a month after rollout that it was neither safe nor effective, that it didn't work. More people died or were hospitalized with the vaccine than without. You can't make the case that it prevents transmission. Even they don't make the case it prevents transmission. It doesn't. So all those mandates and don't hug grandma were a lie. You know, it has catastrophic side effects. We're seeing horrific excess deaths, as the former BlackRock hedge fund manager Ed Dowd has magisterially demonstrated with his data analysis. And we're also seeing catastrophic drops in live births, a 13 to 20% drop in live births, according to government data sets, especially in the Western world, including in North America. I was just in Europe, and there are a million missing babies in Europe. And we know why. This injection causes sterilization or miscarriage or spontaneous abortion in a plethora of ways. So having said all of that, a lot of things are kind of coming to a head that people should know about that preceded this fight in the Senate and all this yelling. One of the things that really changed the chess board is that President Trump tweeted a really interesting tweet, I would say, three or four days ago, in which he basically said Pfizer had shown him wonderful data, presumably about how effective and safe this injection was. And the implication was when they were leading up to the release during Operation Warp Speed. And now he's calling on Pfizer to release it to the public. And I think he's saying, did you show me real data? Let the public assessment or did you lie to me? So we really put Chrysler on the spot. And I'll pick up after the break if you'd like me to.

[Dave Bratt]

It's great. You're a pro. You heard the music coming in. Naomi Wolf, she's great. Yeah, the, you know, the conversation there. Senator Mark Warner from Virginia, who just irritates me to know and, you know, tried to pin Kennedy as well. We'll get back to this with Naomi, too. But he said, you know, your ignorance. How many people died from COVID And Kennedy gave a truthful answer. You know, I think he's just a good guy. Right? He's not playing politics. He said, we don't. We don't know the number. And then Warner said, so you're admitting on national TV you don't know the number. Right. And then he did the same on a couple other things, just getting the sound clip ready to go, that he doesn't know how many people died and then whether the offset of his work has been on net good. But the strongest thing that he said was you guys, all you senators have been sitting in those chairs for 25 years while our kids have been having very adverse health effects. Right. And that's just damning. Right. You all have been sitting there for 25 years. You never brought these questions up before. You're bringing them up to me and everything I'm doing is transparent. It's out there. And I'm going to get back into that after the break with Naomi. This transparency is key. Platinum science transparency. Stay with us after the break.

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[Dave Bratt]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[David Walsh]

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[Dr. Naomi Wolf]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Senator Mark Warner]

Of the movement to just. Again, some basic facts.

[David Walsh]

Do you.

[Senator Mark Warner]

Do you accept the fact that a million Americans died from COVID I don't.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

Know how many died.

[Senator Mark Warner]

You're the Secretary of Health and Human Services. You don't have any idea how many Americans died from COVID I don't think.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

Anybody knows that because the. There was so much data chaos coming out of the CDC and there was diverse incentives. And these are modeling.

[Senator Mark Warner]

You don't know the answer of how many Americans died from COVID This is the Secretary of Health and Human Services. Do you think the vaccine did anything to prevent additional deaths?

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

Again, I would like to see the data and talk about the data.

[Senator Mark Warner]

You have had this job for eight months, and you don't know the data about whether the vaccine.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

And that's the problem is that they didn't have the data. The data by the Biden administration absolutely does.

[Senator Mark Warner]

So who is politicizing? You're saying the Biden administration politicized all the data? Go back to what? Cantwell just go to the Trump surgeon General.

[Secretary Xavier Becerra]

They fired Dr. Grant. They fired all the people who question the orthodoxy. They fired Dr. Gruber, Dr. Kau, Secretary.

[Senator Mark Warner]

Of Health and Human Services doesn't. No matter how many Americans died from.

[Dave Bratt]

COVID All right, war room. There's your genteel Virginia gentleman, Mark Warner, being, you know, just a truth teller. Tell it like it is. RFK Jr. Right. I mean, it is hard when you're up there. I've been in the middle of that thing. It's just a. It's just a firing line. It's awful when they're all hitting you, but I would ask Warner right back, since you're the genius. You know everything. What's the number? How many died? What's the number? I don't have the number. Right. It's not a matter of ignorance. There's no good data. That's the problem. And a lot of it was juiced up or whatever. Naomi, you want to tee off on some of these points from the senators and just bring the war much. What is. What. What does RFK Jr know? What is to be decided? How good is the process? They're all talking. They want to do science. He says, we're going to do platinum science, and it's going to be fully transparent. And I believe the guy. I like the guy, he's, I mean.

[Dr. Naomi Wolf]

I should say up front, he's being heroic. I mean, he's standing firm. He's standing on science, he's standing on truth. And what the American people can clearly see again and again in these exchanges is that he is trying to tell our representatives and our senators what is missing in the science that he inherited and how ill served the American people have been in a horrible emergency in which they were lied to continuously. Or as he was trying to point out just now, the data were botched or outsourced or illegally handled actually in many cases. And he was about to point out that a lot of the data is modeling, which is just imaginary numbers. But I think what the American people have clearly seen, and I think he did a wonderful job being on offense and sticking, trying to stick to the facts and trying to be heard, even though he was being kind of silenced and shouted at, is the American people have clearly seen that their senators are bought and paid for by big pharma. RFK junior Secretary Kennedy said that clearly several times to Bernie Sanders and to Elizabeth Warren and he named numbers and, you know, $850,000 to Elizabeth Warren and she, you know, tried to speak right over him. And he forced that issue so assertively and in such a kind of go on the offense way that Bernie Sanders actually had to say, are you saying, you know, Bernie smoked out Bernie Sanders completely? Bernie Sanders said everyone here has taken money from pharma. We know pharma is corrupt, but they pay all of us are. Are you saying that we're all corrupt because we take pharma money? So the American people have clearly seen who's paying for their senators and that the senators are jumping through hoops for their employers, shouting for the nearly a million dollars or more that they are getting. Seems like annually was a little unclear from the shouting. RFK Jr quitted himself really admirably in trying to people watching this have had enough science to know that his answers kept returning to what would make the science solid and thus what would keep them safe. You know, and even when he was saying they fired people who raised questions about the booster, Martin Kulldorf, a world famous epidemiologist virologist from Harvard, he did right to continue to go back to the science and back to trying to depoliticize it and to make it transparent. Now he is in some impossible positions because they all want him to just roll out the COVID injection with no hesitation and recommended because billions of dollars are at stake with that. And he to his Credit won't. But he also hasn't completely withdrawn it. So he is in a difficult gray area, a difficult to defend gray area. I mean, everyone's kind of mad at him, right? Our side is mad at him because he hasn't pulled in, and their side is mad at him because he has. Because he is not providing it with no testing for free. I mean, just as he said, do you want me to give you a product that has no safety efficacy data? But I do want to say one more thing. Things are really escalating because what's at stake here isn't just another piece of theater. It's not just yet again, as with the confirmation hearings, as you all recall, initially for Senator Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy, sorry, it's not just another ritual of shouting senators. Because this time it seems as if President Trump may be moving into alignment with RFK Jr. About this issue or at least raising the right questions at last, which has been a long journey. And I also want to tell people now their data. Point is, Pfizer replied to President Trump on their own website this week, just a day or two ago, saying, we'll get President Trump the data by the end of the month. And some of it is here on our website. So that's not. That's like a dog eat my homework answer from Pfizer. And the reason this is escalating, and I promise this last thing I'll say is that given that exchange with the leader of the free world and Pfizer, who's paid all of these people that you see yelling at Secretary Kennedy, it's not just is this a botched product, what's at stake if this moves ahead with President Trump and RFKE Jr. Finally in alignment on this issue and President Trump realizing he was lied to by Pfizer, which I'm sure he will not like, it's a massive criminal. It's a massive crime scene. I mean, there are crimes upon crimes from fraud, battery, violation of the Nuremberg Code, you know, manslaughter. I mean, criminal offenses, civil offenses. Even with the PREP act, if the power of the White House gets behind hhs, which hasn't been the case, you know, there have been two camps. So it is a very dangerous moment for the people who took all that money and participated in this crime.

[Dave Bratt]

Yeah, I'm glad. Hey, where our other folks are having technical difficulties, so you go as long as you want, Naomi. But since I have a Renaissance scholar on with me, I fear not only the tremendous corruption and illegality that you just meant, but the discussion in the nation when it comes to truth claims, right. I taught in A History of thought forever. There's no discussion of what truth is anymore, Right? And this sounds a little boring, but if you're young people, if you haven't read Plato's Republic yet, he was in search of the truth. He didn't hit it. But everything else is a footnote, they say to Plato, right? And on and on and on. Aristotle tried it. And then recently we come up to this school of thought, this logical positivism, and Karl Popper. And Popper said, you can't ever reach truth either. All you can do is falsify, right? So if you have a hypothesis that's sitting out there, you can knock it down, but what you have standing there isn't truth. And so, boy, this really makes the mind, you know, it hurts the American soul. I think people want to believe that people are telling the truth. Milton Friedman in economics wasn't happy with that. He went after it and he's a genius, and he couldn't figure it out. And so just give us some comments to the American people and the young people, what should inspire them, how they should engage in thought in general and question these senators who are just hacks. With a decent guy like Kennedy sitting there getting assaulted. And the people who are voting for these hacks, you know, we can do better. But, Naomi, you fire away a couple minutes.

[Dr. Naomi Wolf]

I mean, I love that you're asking the question. You know, these are the questions we need to ask, especially our generations need to ask these questions to leave the younger generations an intellectual framework that's also a moral framework, you know, nothing but a giant mess of moral relativism. It's funny, I was just, before I got on camera, thinking about, for some reason, my linguistics professor at Yale who spent the whole semester, and this was very fashionable at Yale in the 80s, and this was kind of in the language space, right? Parallel to what you're talking about. It was called post structuralism. And his basic thesis is that you can't find meaning in language. You can always deconstruct language. You can't know what the author meant. Everything is indeterminate. And then you extend that to anthropology. You know, all cultures are equally valid. Doesn't matter if someone's cannibal. That's their cultural practice, you know, and you, you see this manifesting in. In Britain, you know, when people who are detained for rape, who come from rape cultures, say, well, this is part of our culture. I, you know, I have no idea why you're detaining me. My, my point is you're 1000% right. The degradation really began in the 60s in the academy but you know, got a lot of momentum from the 80s to the present. And I would say for sure truth has been is an unpopular unfashionable ideal. Like nations, like history, like beauty.

[Dave Bratt]

Yeah, good. Back with Naomi. That's wonderful. Thank you for that Naomi. And, and Alan Bloom again closing the American mind. He's got some funny sarcastic tongue in cheek. You gotta get deep into weeds. But you know the great Ivy League schools they sent out the anthropologists and sociologists 100 years ago out to find these Rousseauian noble savages, these people, our betters, our moral betters because they're simpler. And instead what they found is not so noble savages. And they came back report it didn't go along with the, the liberals. And the liberals are good, the leftists. We got a problem. Back with Naomi Wolf in a minute to discuss the meaning of all things.

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[Wade Miller]

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[Dave Bratt]

All right everybody, Dave Bratt in the war room sitting in for the great Stephen K. Bannon with Naomi Wolf. I want to go into a little bit topic of the instability we're going to face economically going up. You know my favorite chart comes from Robert Gordon Jordan. Long run trend productivity going down. For the past 70 years. Trump's doing everything he can to turn that around, bringing capital in. It's all good. We're going to have a little instability in the short run. Probably. He's doing everything right. We got major good moves. The rest of the show is going to be about all that. But we're at 37 trillion in debt right now. CBO, Congressional Budget Office has us $2 trillion deficits for the next 10 years. So that's 20 trillion extra debt in the next 10. So 37 and 20 is 57 trillion in debt. That's not sustainable. The only good news is that England is going to be the first mover. They're going to plunge first. Right? England, France, Germany, they're at 0% growth right now. So they're going to be a marker and they're going to be a warning sign. And so in these times, and I just have to throw in, I always forget sometimes to make the most basic point, the Federal Reserve bank is accommodating, right? There's this debate on these little moves that the Federal Reserve makes. They're accommodating $2 trillion deficits every year without question. The Congress never asked them why are you accommodating? You're supposed to be in charge of the economy. You do all this other projects under the unemployment moniker, but you're not managing the economy when it comes to putting $7 trillion into our federal government. Right? Unproductive $7 trillion. And so in these times, right. Go to Birchgold, our friends. When you've got the Fed accommodating that much, you know what comes next in the history of thought, right? Inflation is around the corner unless our Congress gets its head on straight and starts cutting some spending. So Birchgold right now until September 30th, if you're a first time gold buyer, Birch Gold is offering a rebate of up to $10,000 in free metals on qualifying purchases. To claim eligibility and start the process, request an info kit now. Just text Bannon to 989-898. You know it, right? Just text Bannon to 989898. And I met with the Birch Gould guys. They're a class class group. Plus Birchgold can help you roll an existing IRA or 401k into an IRA in gold and you're still eligible for a rebate in free metals up to $10,000. So give them a call and check them out. All right, back. Naomi Wolf, Dr. Naomi Wolf has been with us doing a super job surveying the news today with RFK Junior. Naomi, how do people reach you what? Name a book or two you might recommend to the young people of the country to get their heads on straight. There you go. That's a good question. That's for advanced readers.

[Dr. Naomi Wolf]

I just wanted to mention this one because we brought it yesterday to the European Parliament and presented this information at the European Parliament. And in fact, we were censored in Europe. So I do want to ask everyone to go to that presentation and hand share it with friends in Europe because they can't listen to it again. It's Steve Bannon's book, an imprint, and the posse supported it, so that's very important. Also, another amazing thing people can do is go over to legisector.com, which is our new digital product that lets you share and learn about live legislation affecting your industry or your sector or your issue. And then finally, you can follow me on aomirwolf, on X and on Getter, and over on Substack. My substack is called Outspoke.

[Dave Bratt]

Very good. Awesome. Thanks, Naomi. Thanks for all you do. Keep it up.

[Dr. Naomi Wolf]

Having you so much. Take care.

[Dave Bratt]

You bet. All right. David Walsh is with us. Energy News breaking big time. Secretary of Energy says his main concern is electricity prices for the average homeowner. And so, you know, AI, artificial intelligence, huge energy drain. There's MIT professors that say, maybe that's not it. There's a lag on that kind of thing. So we got the expert coming in, Dave Walsh. What do you make of that story? This electrical shortages? You've been on this for years, why we're having shortages. What's the current state of affairs and how do we get out of it?

[David Walsh]

Well, David, years ago I had a boss when I was young man who said, walsh, you need to stop worrying about this and do something about it. So this is Secretary of Energy Chris. Listen, we know you're worried. We don't see you doing much. Here's the issue. Solar power in this country is the thing. We just had Secretary Duffy cancel 680 million of federal funding for 12 offshore wind farms. That's great. That's great. But I'm here to tell you offshore wind is only about 20% of the renewables being applied. Solar power is far less valuable, far less capacity factor works far lesser. Time of the day, on average, across the country, only 4.8 hours. That's what's going on now. Not offshore wind, not onshore wind, solar. And people are paying the price. It's six times more costly than conventional combined cycle power that we've become accustomed to. We're only building solar farms. Utilities in red get this red and blue states alike going crazy allowing the build out of this. This year for example across the country According to Chris's DOE data 91% of new capacity power in the country this year being built is solar battery storage and a little bit of wind. So I'll do say that again.

[Dave Bratt]

What percent of the new energy?

[David Walsh]

91% new power plant, 91% will be solar battery storage and a little bit of wind. So wind is how do we get out of it?

[Dave Bratt]

What does he need to do?

[David Walsh]

We need to throw our bodies in front of the Chinese importation. Chinese imports are 87% of solar panels, 87% of battery storage, about 60% of inverters all coming from China trade deal be damned. We've got to throw our bodies in front of that. And these the two year mention of the incentives is causing developers and utilities alike, utilities who are massive Republican donors, utilities who are Republican donors such as FPL here in Florida with a $10 billion rate increase that they're trying to jam down ratepayers throats to build another 130 utility scale solar farms here under Desantis watch. Republicans fully aware of this but you're not hearing a peep about this from Washington. This is, this is the problem with as this stuff feeds into rate seeing massive rate hikes.

[Dave Bratt]

Yeah. Before we go to the next issue why don't you give a shout out what states, what power companies. If the if the politicians won't say a peep maybe the war room posse will say a peep. What do you recommend for mass communications strategy?

[David Walsh]

Well we need to pound away in ercot Texas all solar and battery storage being installed there. Still no gas fired power. Florida, all of the canoe capacity for the next 10 years announced by the three regulated utilities is entirely solar and battery storage. So that's two red states. Blue states, Maryland and New Jersey have both announced three and four times rate increases respectively due to the tear down of coal, nuclear and stuff that runs all the time and creates cost effective electricity being displaced with part time intermittent sources. So we're seeing the trouble is going to be in that red states are dominantly doing this because of utility Republican donations. They're going to be thrown out of office. We're going to have a record landslide of folks thrown out of office locally over this going on because people know what's happening with this and the Dems throwing rocks at us.

[Dave Bratt]

Yep. Hey let me jump. We were running a hair short on time but give us A two or three minutes we'll get you back on and go in depth dive. But you know, Xi and Putin having energy deals, huge new pipelines being built through Mongolia, where India is. We're in having a little tension there with them drivers driving them a little bit toward Russia. How does, how does the power politics play out on the energy front in the year, next year or two ahead of us, Dave?

[David Walsh]

Well, Putin just went to visit a couple of days ago. They announced a second major pipeline into China. That's 50, 50 billion cubic meters a day of natural gas on a second pipeline increasing the existing 1,6 million 6 billion cubic meters a day. So about 147% increase in Chinese importation of pipeline gas which is way cheaper than LNG coming on boats from the US into China to remove any last vestiges of dependency on the US for lng China will be the worst. This Biden war was Ukraine, Russia activity basically was the alliance of Russia and China militarily and energy wise. So this completes the coup. They'll be completely independent with Russia on something that they have lacked. China has lacked. Natural gas wants to build a lot more combined cycle. Yes. Fully operational 24 hour a day power plants to fuel their industrial growth. Exactly what we need to be doing here. But we're not doing. We're building solar farms all sourced from them. So this presents an opportunity to get back into this trade deal. The trade deal is not the main thing. The main thing is the ruination of the US energy supply. As long as this is happening, you're not going to buy gas from the United States. We should not be purchasing solar panel, one inverter, one battery storage, one from China, one unaffordable intermittent part time energy useless. But secondly, no reason to be supporting their economy with these kind of purchases of energy devices from them while they're abandoning US natural gas. So it's a big deal. India is in the penalty box for supporting Russian procurement. But you know, we don't China, we're not putting China in the penalty box in this trade deal for doing exactly the same thing. Being an ally of Russia in this Ukraine war, an ally of Iran in their activities with Hamas and Hezbollah and we're letting them get out of jail free. Pass. Because we want a trade deal. Trade deal cannot include the procurement of solar panels, inverters and battery storage from China.

[Dave Bratt]

Yeah, this is not a fair question. But economists, when they do their calculations are supposed to include the full costs of all of our activities. So this war, this misplaced war in Ukraine caused by a Coup and our CIA in 2014 along with coups since 1953 in about 70 countries. Just back of the envelope, what do you think the energy costs are alone that we've just added on our economy in terms of billions or in terms of a percent of GDP growth? If you add on the damage that that war has just inflicted on our economy. Just give us some way of looking at it. It's a horror show is what I'm trying to get at. How big is the horror show?

[David Walsh]

Well, the just to shut off LNG to China because of what's happened the last three years has probably been, probably been 60 to 70 billion of terminus of that excellent value. Yeah, very substantial. But also this toll taken. All these utility rate increases are, David, all about the application of renewables which continues to this day unabated. I'm sorry, under the present administration, except for these announcements and offshore wind, nothing, nada has been done about the mass deployment of solar farms by utilities with Chinese equipment. That's been ongoing. That should have been stopped, but it hasn't been stopped. Instead we want a trade deal. We want a trade deal. So we're going to, we're going to sacrifice the US energy economy, I fear to get a trade deal that allows them to get heavy importation of this equipment here. Europe has actually benefited from this. If we could talk about Europe for a quick second. They've imported 225 billion worth of oil and gas from Russia during the war at lower prices because the boycott, all boycott said was they could import at below 60 bucks a barrel oil from Russia. They've ramped up their imports from Russia during the war. So Europe is actually clever and economically benefited from this.

[Dave Bratt]

Good. How do people get you, Dave? How do people follow your writings on this stuff? They love it.

[David Walsh]

They get me on getter and true social and X at Dave Walsh Energy. Thank you, David.

[Dave Bratt]

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[Wade Miller]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.

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[Wade Miller]

Yeah, thanks for having me on. That's basically right. And you know, it does have some anti woke provisions, but a lot more needs to be done. For instance, there's not any sort of band on transgender or cabaret shows, you know, in the military, which, you know, we can have a discussion on whether those should exist at all, but certainly they shouldn't be funded by taxpayer dollars on military bases. There's no real description of what types of flags that these units can fly. We've had a lot of problems with units flying politicized flags, but it goes on and on and on. In other words, there's a lot of work to be done. And you know, we're 37 trillion in debt. The President, the President requested about a trillion, which is a big number, but the House and the Senate are requesting even more than that, even more than the President has requested. And this is, as you know, this is what Republicans do. They talk about the debt and then as soon as it comes to defense, they're perfectly happy to plus that up.

[Dave Bratt]

And look, I get it.

[Wade Miller]

We've got golden dome research that we need to do. We've got quantum research that we need to do. We've got drone research, we've got AI research. Those are all emerging defense security concerns. It's going to take a lot of money, but the President requested money. And then what does Congress do? They plus it up even more, way beyond what the President's requested while peppering it with all of these provisions that really tie the ability of the President to exercise his foreign policy powers. We've got to stop that. We've got to unleash the President. The President has a very clear worldview, a very clear foreign policy agenda. Stop kneecapping the President and statute from being able to execute his agenda.

[Dave Bratt]

Yeah. And the House and the Senate both say, right, oh, we're all America first or whatever. But the Senate doesn't let the judges get confirmed over the summer for some reason. And this is the way the swamp works. And the other, as an economist, the one thing I noticed, right, I'm against all this DEI stuff, right? That's a disaster. So it's good they're getting rid of it, but the politicians get to go rah, rah, rah and do their commercial. We got rid of that. But it's much harder to do the economics right. When you get out the funding streams for Ukraine and Europe and the regs and the spending that goes off to the defense contractors, etc. That. That's harder to tackle. So you got about a minute left. Wait, what? Tell folks how to get to the document, what to look for, and then how to reach you. Sure.

[Wade Miller]

Really quickly. This reminds me of the time I was in the Marine Corps and we were testing out PACs. And the PAC that everyone universally loved was not the PAC that got chosen by Congress because the member, the member of Congress who represented the factory that produced this one that got second place was the one that got funded. And so this is just how the NDA process works. It's Congress pushing its own parochial agenda. But long story short, you can find it at Citizens for Renewing America, of course, that's our C4. This is where we can weigh in on whether bills are good or bad. Center for Renewing America is the C3. But this document exists on our citizens website. You can find me on X, Wade Miller, Underscore usmc. And you can go there on our socials, Citizens for Renewing America and Center for Renewing America to see links to all of these products.

[Dave Bratt]

Yeah, great job. Great job. The whole team over there, keep it up. And the other thing, the ndaa. Folks, folks, keep your eye on this. They're nowhere near doing a budget. They're not going to do 12 bills or might not even do an omnibus because that'll be so bad. They'll do a CR because the Omni would be bigger than the current spending levels. But the NDAA goes first. And watch what they tie to that thing. Right? That's the watch what they tied it. That tells you the Republican preferences, what they really stand for, what do they really believe in. And keep your eye on that. Whatever they tie to that. Speaking of a good believer, we got Mike Lindell up. Mike got a free gift pack from the federal government. I thought they were a bunch of meanies. What'd you get in the mail, Mike?

[Mike Lindell]

Well, I just got back everybody from our great president. We had a great meetings yesterday and we talked about all the attacks on myself and my pillow over these last four and a half years. And I get back and here it is, everybody. This is about 10 minutes ago. This is my phone that the FBI took at a Hardee's drive through three years ago, almost to the day. And it took him three years to realize I've done nothing wrong other than want to melt down voting machines and turn them into prison bars. And they realized, see, I guess we can't get them nothing for that. We can just continue to attack them. And that's what they do.

[Dave Bratt]

So one minute, one minute left.

[Mike Lindell]

My.

[Dave Bratt]

Sell us some pillows. Sell us some pillows for 45 seconds.

[Mike Lindell]

Right on. So you guys, we're doing the pillow or the sheets? The sheets that we have. It's our president's favorite product. We're doing it for the war room posse. It's a close out sale. Once they're gone, they're gone. Every style, every size, king size, queen size, 29.88. Once they're gone, they're gone. And the worm with that promo code worm, you, you guys get even a better offer. You get free shipping on your entire order. We've got the My pillow pillows. They're on sale at employee pricing. You guys use that promo code war room and. But once these sheets are gone, they're gone. We're trying to, we're building up capital because we're gonna be getting our winter products in. Close out Special 29, 88, as many as you want, no limit. And all the other products there get the big tag ticket items. Mattresses, mattress toppers with the free shipping on your entire order. And Dave, I'll be busy going through all this today to see, see what they, what they took.

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