Steve Bannon (3:03)

He wants to rebrand it the Department of War.

Steve Bannon (3:05)

For what purpose?

Political Commentator (3:06)

I think the rebranding is just speaking to the macho factor that you were talking about earlier in the show.

Steve Bannon (3:11)

That.

Political Commentator (3:12)

That hyper masculinity has always been so linked and a part of Trumpism that it's not shocking to me that the same person, Pete Hegseth, who went before the Senate and touted as almost a true credential his desire to make the military lethal and feared again, that was his central argument for being the head of the Pentagon, despite all of the allegations against him of drinking and of sex misconduct and that he didn't know how to manage funds or large bureaucracies. All of those were really tangible things. And yet his credential was, I want to be lethal. And that masculinity has always been enough.

Political Analyst (3:47)

And a really important point. To answer your second part of your question, he's making Americans scared of our military. He's making the world scared of our military, but he's also making Americans scared of our military, which is a very dangerous place to be. There is the old saying, send the country first, then send the troops. He continues to send the troops without popular support. This is like Vietnam on steroids. This is the worst case scenario of the AUMF and Trump combined. He is lowering the popularity of the institution that Americans until recently respect more than anything else. So now they're afraid of the National Guard coming into Chicago.

Senator Jim Banks (4:19)

Can I ask you another Florida question? The vaccine mandates that were rolled back for school children.

Oren Cass (4:25)

What do you think about that?

Steve Bannon (4:26)

Well, I think we have to be very careful. Look, you have some vaccines that are so amazing. The polio vaccine I happen to think is amazing. A lot of people think that Covid is amazing. You know, there are many people that believe strongly in that, but you have some vaccines that are so incredible. And I think you have to be very careful when you say that. Some people don't have to be vaccinated. It's a very, you know, it's a very tough position. So I'd give you an answer, I'll give you feeling, but just initially, I heard about it yesterday and it's a tough stance. Look, you have vaccines that work. They just pure and simple work. They're not controversial at all. And I think those vaccines should be used, otherwise some people are going to catch it and they endanger other people. And when you don't have controversy at all, I think people should take it.

Steve Bannon (5:22)

So, you know, not only are we seeing, you know, some of these high.

Oren Cass (5:25)

Profile military actions, you know, the 2019.

Steve Bannon (5:28)

Strike, the new York Times reported today.

Oren Cass (5:30)

The Venezuelan strike, that do raise serious questions and that, you know, Pete Hikeseth is somehow the one overseeing, but also.

Political Analyst (5:36)

We'Re now learning that the senators who.

Steve Bannon (5:38)

Can put guardrails on this, who can reveal information about what's going wrong to the public, are being shut out.

Political Commentator (5:44)

But I also think you're watching some of those senators who are willing to be critical, whether it's Tom Tillis or Joni Ernst, who at one point waffled on Hegseth and then ultimately was herself pushed back into line. They are choosing now to leave the Senate, not run for reelection, because the writing is on the wall that you're either with them or you're against them. And if you're against them, it's not going to last long anyway. And I think that's the deeper, more long lasting impact here of what, what Trumpism will do even after Trump is gone, which is that the party is entirely remade in his image now in the House, certainly in the Senate now after the 2026 cycle.

Steve Bannon (6:19)

Yeah, okay, but I want. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. There's not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not gonna stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go.

Political Analyst (6:46)

To share the big lie?

Steve Bannon (6:48)

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my.

Senator Jim Banks (7:01)

Country, this country will be saved.

Steve Bannon (7:05)

War room here's your host, Stephen K. Banner. It's Saturday, 6th, September in the year of our Lord 2025. Welcome to the Saturday show, as you know, our favorite show of the week. What's our three watchwords here? Maximalist strategy. Right. Urgent. You have to get it done today because we are burning daylight and seize the institutions. Now, what do we say here about, you know, you've got the courts, obviously the Supreme Court and the legal system, quite important. But the three most powerful institutions in the imperial capital, as I say over and over again, are the CIA, the Federal Reserve, and centcom. And you have, you have President Trump and the MAGA movement in process of at least seizing two of those. Pete Hexith and the pivot to hemispheric defense. And Politico's got a, a pretty good story I've put up on Getter about the new defense strategy that every year you put up an update on that and they kind of misinterpret it because it's the pivot to hemispheric defense. And maybe they, maybe in the hemispheric defense strategy, we haven't totally filled out the three island chains which our forefathers back in the 19th century understood was absolutely essential to Manifest Destiny because we are a Pacific power. But that talks about the hemispheric defense and they're all pulling the hair out. Oh, my God. Trump's, you know, hemispheric defense. Hemispheric defense is number one upon that we can pivot everything. And what Pete Hegseth and the team are doing are looking at from the Panama Canal to Greenland to the Arctic and now, you know, with Chloe Pascal, the Western Pacific, the three island chains, the hemispheric defense of the United States. And of course, Latin America is very big in that Maduro. And we're not an advocate of regime change. However, the behavior is going to have to change down there, particularly their involvement with the. Wait for it, Chinese Communist Party. Because if you look at it, the Persians, Venezuela and the Russians are what, providing 100% of the energy use of our greatest and existential threat, which is the Chinese Communist Party. Now, Politico misinterprets it and says, hey, back in Trump's first term, you know, they pivoted out of the global war on terror to China, a great power struggle. I was instrumental in the writing of that, in the redirection of that. And we haven't changed the Chinese Communist Party, but you have to have the hemispheric defense first. And you have to clear out the Chinese Communist Party from the Caribbean where they've made a lake for the pla, right in the Russian Navy and you have to clear out the cartels, their business partners. And that's all happening. That is. And President Trump is seizing the institution of the Pentagon. And yes, we're federalizing National Guard. And you've made. I had dinner last night, not dinner. I got there afterwards. Of people who are not Trump fans, who are not Trump fans over in Georgetown. And let's say this, they're big league, not Trump fans. To a person. They said the city has been totally changed, Georgetown has been totally changed since the troops came in. They were singing President Trump's high hosannas. Now, none of those people would go public with that. But when you're sitting there talking to them, they're saying they can finally walk back around Georgetown at night. It's completely changed. You know, women are not afraid to go out at night. They feel like they go to the stores, they can start wearing their watches and their jewelry, which they could not do. That's what President Trump is doing by taking control of these insurrectionist sanctuary cities. And guess what, we had Mike Rogers on yesterday. I thought he made a very compelling case for Detroit. President Trump is going to Chicago, he's going to take it to New Orleans and eventually he's going to go to New York. I think you wait to New York until Monday, mom. Donny wins, which he's going to win. And I think he could win big. And when the red green axis, when the Marxist, he's not a socialist, he's not a populist. It's not about affordability. He is a Marxist and jihadist. His mother's been taking money from Qatar forever. That's how they financed the whole deal. He's a happier, happy, clappy Obama and he's going to be like Sadiq Khan. The Daily Mail in the Daily Telegraphs, I think their lead stories, Daily Telegraphs lead story. The only story in England that was bigger when it came up was throwing this, the deputy prime minister out for some tax violation. But when I gave the speech at National Conservative Conference the other day and said, hey, civil war is coming to England And I gave GB news about a 45 minute interview yesterday, I think will be up starting over the weekend. You can see it happening with the putting up of the, of the St. George flags, the putting up the Union Jacks at night, thousands of these and then taken down by the authorities, something is going on. Nigel Farage just gave an amazing speech at their conference. Actually Raheem's over there going to try to track him down. And Grace and Mo are in Korea and they've done a great job with Mina Kim at the Korean conference. So I'm really proud of the war room throughout the world. And of course, Natalie's over in Asia too, doing some reporting. So we're hitting on all cylinders this morning, but the key thing to keep in mind is the, is what's happening. As we told you, the convergence of these crises, right? The geopolitical, the beginning of the Third World War. The kinetic part, you can't deny that there's what, 1.7 million casualties in 1.7 million casualties already by the Ukrainians in Ukraine, there are over a million Russian casualties, 2.7 million overall. Add in Gaza and the Middle East, Persia, what happened there, Yemen, you add it all up, it's far higher, far higher than from 1939, from September 1, the invasion of Poland to the beginning of Operation Barbarossa in June of 1941. I think it's three times higher. That include the fall of France, the blitz in England, I'll throw Finland in there. The, the Finnish war, the brave Finn stood up to the Russians, North Africa, all of it. We're in the middle of it now. The Federal Reserve, Scott Bessant as a, you know, contributor, you've known Scott for years. First time he started doing TV was here. The reason, Secretary Treasury. He's a safe pair of hands. You know this, you've seen this, right? When Elon argued for Lutnick and we argued for Scott Bessant. Because Scott Bessant's a safe pair of hands and the capital markets feel very calm, that Scott deals with them straight, gives him proper information. He's got the most radical article I have ever read from any Secretary of the treasury in the Wall Street Journal. Now it's a 27 page report on the Journal of International Economy. I'm gonna get the team to put it out right after the show that Wall Street Journal will be put out. And we're going to talk about in the second hour. And Scott, we're trying to get Scott to join us on Monday. Basically a D. You talk about deconstructing the Ministry of State. This is a deconstruction of the Federal Reserve. Very serious. So those are two Centcom and, and the Fed. Why? Because the Middle east is a sideshow and the Greater Israel Project is a sideshow to a sideshow. Short break. You missed the IRS tax deadline. You think it's just going to go away? Well, think again. The IRS doesn't mess around and they're applying pressure like we haven't seen in years. So if you haven't filed in a while, even if you can't pay, don't wait. And don't face the IRS alone. 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Of the new thing. Okay, folks, right here, our former contributor Scott Bessant, who's now Secretary of the treasury, has written a takedown of the Federal Reserve. This is going to have a massive impact. It is the Feds. Remember this Gain of function. Or Anthony Fauci, weaponizing viruses over there at NIH. The virus that became the COVID 19. Remember the gain of function that we shut down. The gain of function. Very dangerous. Weaponizing viruses, basically creating biological weapons. The Fed's gain of function Monetary policy For all the Ron Rand Paul. Ron Paul folks, the central banks were the three most powerful institutions, boys and girls in the imperial capital, the CIA, the Federal Reserve, and centcom. That's why right now. What's our watchword here? Maximalist. A maximalist strategy. Take everything to the ultimate conclusion until you can't go any farther, whether it's redistricting, whether it's mass deportations, whether sealing the border, whether it's kinetic activity against the cartels. Maximalist policy, Maximus policy right here. Scott Besson, a safe pair of hands. That's why he's, that's why he's Secretary of the treasury, because he calms capital markets in the United Kingdom today and in France on Monday. By the way, take your number two pencil out. The government's going to fall. They're going to have another vote in their parliament. The Prime Minister is going to put a vote up. They're going to get a vote of no confidence. The government's going to fall in the National Front or national rally, whatever it's called today. Le Pen is going to help put together another government. I think they're going to have a vote of no confidence on Macron and we're going to go to election. Why? Because the French can't sell 30 year bonds they can't finance. They have a 7% deficit to GDP. What do we tell you? Scott Besson's plan is we're at 6 and a half or 7% right now and we're hurtling down to shut down the government on the 30th of midnight because guess what? Nobody's come up with a plan on how to cut spending or really drive additional revenues. The French are in worse shape. They're at 7% with no help. And it can't go on. They can't finance it. Why can't they finance it, class? Because they're not the prime reserve currency. Want to understand that? Go to birchgold.com right now. Promo code bandit. End of the dollar empire. Four years we've put it together, seven free installments. It teaches you everything you need is taught now in undergraduate college classes. And we. I wrote this so you don't know any, don't have to know any economics, don't know, know any math, no calculus, nothing. But you'll understand the world's financial system and capital markets. You have to, so you can understand this. This has a massive impact on your life. Why? Because the most powerful central bank in the world is about to be deconstructed. Scott Bessens arguing it should be taken apart brick by brick. So for all you Ron Paul fans and Rand Paul fans, this, this is populous and nationalist. This gives us control of this institution back. The lead story in the Daily Telegraph on Thursday night was my speech at the National Conservative Convention where I said there's a civil war coming to England. Nigel Farage is at the Conference today for reform. Nigel Farage has done an amazing job. With no money, he's bootstrapped a party called the Reform Party. It now polls the Tories are at 14%. Think about a party that's been around for 250 years. A party that won World War II with Winston Churchill as its head. A party that had Margaret Thatcher. A party that for 12 years, I think for 12 years ran Britain, right, is at 14%. Why? They were the guys, just like the Rhinos and Republicans here, they looked the other way. Their controlled opposition, they looked the other way because what is today, boys and girls? What's today? It's the 10th anniversary of Merkel allowing the first wave of 1 million Syrian refugees. Excuse me, excuse me. Asylum seekers to come to Germany to begin the destruction of Germany. Who didn't allow that? Hungary didn't allow it. Poland didn't allow it. What are the countries in Europe that are making it right now? Wait for it. Let me think. Oh, yeah, that's right. Hungary and Poland. The United Kingdom can't sell a 30 year bond. They just found out yesterday. Oh my gosh. We have a 50 billion pound. Either mistake or we didn't see it in this year's budget. Starmer's polling this Morning is at 9%. Yesterday I said it was 11. I was incorrect. I was corrected. Last night he said 9%. His deputy just got fired because she's a tax cheat or something. Sadiq Khan. You heard that name, Sadiq Khan, who's. Who's changed London in 10 years to make it a no go zone. If you're Jewish or from Israel, it's a no go zone. That's Sadiq Khan. He's going to be the next. It won't happen immediately, but he's going to be the next Prime Minister. He's going to, he's going to work through and the Labor Party is going turn to him. This is why mom, Donnie is so important in New York City. And no, I've recommended President Trump should stay out of it. You're not going to beat him. He's. He. This is, it's called the Red Green Alliance. This is neo Marxism with radical jihad and they put a happy face on it. Sadiq Khan comes across as a total professional. I think he works in the city of London. Look at Mondami, right? He's got the tick tocks and he's skipping around and dancing. He's a nice guy. He's got that big smile, magnetic, charismatic personality. The Working Families Party and dsa and he's not a socialist. They say he's a socialist, but not social. He's a neo Marxist and a radical jihadist. New York City in 10 years is going to be exactly like London is today. And you're not going to beat him in November. Eric Adams already said yesterday, no, I'm not dropping out. Sliwa is not going to drop out. Cuomo. It's a, it's a disaster. And I think this kid could get under over 50% of the vote and wait for it. Right now the polling shows 57% of Jewish kids under 30 are going to vote for him. And I think a third of his staff is inner circle, are young Jewish professionals, media, political operatives, tech, very little government experience. The progressive lives. And this comes from the school systems in New York City. First off, Qatar. Qatar totally runs the New York public school system. And Qatar is the railhead for the financing of the Muslim Brotherhood. Right. You see Hamas. Hamas is just a, their local franchisee of the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza. Qatar, which everybody's rubbing up on them over there, why they put 250. Was it $250 billion into the United States over the last 10 years. Remember they almost got taken over by UAE and Saudi Arabia in 2017. The private school systems are actually worse in New York City, the most elite grace goes with people the, the parents go to. It's a knife fight to get your kid into these schools in kindergarten, but then you go up and you got that was it Fieldstone and Buckley and all these. It's, it's a knife fight to get them into the, to the middle schools, in the, in the prep schools. These are incubators for radicals. Incubators for radicals. The teachers are all radical, the administration is all radical. And you're seeing it. This is what's coming. I told the donors to these guys, you're not going to stop it. You're not going to beat it now. You can do it later, but you're not going to do it now. And if you try to get in the way of it, I think unless you can come up with some incredible plan. The plan being shown where his money is. All his money is dark money. His money's dark money. And his mother's up to her neck and she admits that she's up to her neck. She's been financed by Qatar for years. She's a what? Indian filmmaker. As I told you, after the first hundred days, it's the next 200, while these crises converge that are going to define MAGA. President Trump's presidency and going forward and also the country. And you're seeing it happen right now in this September. You're seeing it all. Look at Bobby Kennedy Thursday, a magnificent performance as he stood in the breach and took incoming for three hours and called these folks out. And what happened, what happened afterwards, the people around in the White House around President Trump thought it was a good thing to have 50 demons around the table around President Trump, including Zuckerberg and Bill Gates and Google and what are you trying to do with Google? And people didn't brief the president because president said, hey, you had a good day in court. That was not a good day, Mr. President, we're trying to break up Google, we're trying to break up Facebook, we're trying to break up Microsoft and hell, throw Walmart and all of them in there. The concentration of corporate power with government power is what is destroying this country. It's already destroyed Europe, it's all destroyed because the, it was the central banks, the financial community, the city of London and the corporations that, hey, we need more people. You need cheaper labor, you need lower labor and we need bigger markets. We got to sell more consumer goods. So let's have millions of, of North Africa and Middle East. Let's have. Bring them in, bring them in. Why do you think Poland's doing so well? Why do you think President Trump had the Polish president there? Why is Poland's economy growing like crazy? Poland doesn't have a problem selling 30 year bonds. Poland's not going to have, not going to turf out of government on Monday like the French are. Poland's not heading to a civil war like, like the, the English are. Why? Because they sealed their borders. And the EU came to says, hey, you're doing this all wrong. You can't do this. You're breaking laws. You know what they told them? Go yourself. We're going to do it. We're going to do it to protect our culture, we're going to protect our civilization, we're going to protect our young people, we're going to protect, wait for it, our country. And that's what this fight is here. Whoever organized that dinner for President Trump to get all the, all the, and that was an AI and the AI is totally out of control. They're going to try to slip the AI Amnesty. Remember that? We fought that a couple months ago and got it out of the what? The big beautiful bill. They're going to try to slip that into the ndaa. Who warned you about this yesterday? Jim Banks. Jim Banks is a safe pair of hands. Jim Banks does not run around with his hair on fire. He's a Navy commander. He's a solid guy. Comes from, you know, one of the greatest states in the Union, Indiana. Hoosiers are known for common sense. What is Jim? Jim Banks is up there saying, hey, yo, we gotta look at this Nvidia thing. These things are out of control right now. The great Oren Cass is going to join me after a short commercial break. We had Ben Harnwell in Rome. Hopefully get Raheem at the reform conference, maybe get Mo and Grace in South Korea. We got Philip Patrick a little later. We're going to go through all of it this morning in the War room. Short commercial break Take out your phone right now. Text Bannon. That's me. B A N N O N 989898 get the ultimate guide to investing in gold and precious metals. Happens to be free also. Back in a moment. What if he had the brightest mind in the war room delivering critical financial research every month? Steve Bannon here. War Room listeners know Jim Rickards. I love this guy. He's our wise man. 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Senator Jim Banks (29:34)

Simply an America First Amendment to the NDAA, the defense bill that's on the floor in the Senate next week. It's very simple. It says that you can't export American made chips to China or other adversarial countries if there is a backlog or demand for those chips in the United States first. It's as simple as that. There's nothing that's more America first than making sure that we dominate the race to AI and the technologies of the future rather than helping our biggest enemy dominate us. So it's a simple amendment. It also says that you can't, if you do export chips, if intel or these big chip makers export chips to China, they have to guarantee that those chips won't be used against America for economic purposes, against American industries, or even for other military and national security reasons, too. So I don't know how anybody could be against this. I mean, I, I, frankly, it's a, it is a, it's in the bill right now. And if we, when we pass, when we have the NDA on the floor next week, I don't know if there will be an effort to strip this out of the bill. But I hope, I hope my colleagues on both sides of the aisle will support it because there's nothing more. America first and making sure that our chips don't go to our enemies to use against us.

Steve Bannon (30:56)

Okay. President Trump called this in the sub headline of the Financial Times. Trump sees anti US Conspiracies. We said yesterday on the show for the President, it's worse than a conspiracy, it's a flex. Here. They're trying to take credit for World War II, of which they fought on the side of the Japanese. Don't ever forget that it was the Nationalist Chinese with the Americans and the British that drove the Japanese out of the mainland of Asia. But when they say unstoppable force, he means the military. That military is driven by chips. We're in a chips war. The great Orrin Kass from American Compass joins me. Why are guys that are pretty calm like you and Jim Banks lighting your hair on fire about this, sir?

Oren Cass (31:44)

Well, thanks for having me on, Steven. And I want to give credit to Senator Banks. He's been fantastic on this issue. Like you heard in that clip, there just aren't enough chips out there right now. I mean, this has been the story for a few years. US Companies that are trying to be leaders in AI for our economy, for our military, are desperate to get as many of these chips as they can. And then you have companies and, you know, the worst actor here is really Nvidia. I mean, great, great technology company. To their credit, they make great chips and they are doing everything they can to go sell those chips in China instead of selling them to American companies. They're cozying up to the ccp, in some cases the Communist Party. They're actually trying to open a research facility in Shanghai. And so you now have this, like Central Banks said, it is the most common sense America first policy possible. If there's a US Company that wants the chips, you have to sell it to the US company and not to the Chinese. And this is incredibly important and it's just such a great test for the White House, for America. First. You have some people in the White House, you have Nvidia running around saying no, it's okay, let's sell the chips to China first. And we just can't let that happen.

Steve Bannon (32:57)

Okay? So the Secretary of Commerce is sitting there on TV saying hey, hey, hang on, you know, Orrinkass and Bannon and all these guys are all heroin, that we're not selling the good stuff, we're selling them. These are second or third tier chips and so they're not getting the good stuff. Do you buy that, sir?

Oren Cass (33:16)

Well, first of all, I don't buy it. I mean it's not true. And you know, if these chips weren't so good and they didn't help the Chinese. Chinese, the Chinese wouldn't be trying to buy them, right? So just as a matter of common sense, let's recognize we are in a race to develop the leading computing power, the leading models. And the Chinese are saying yes, we want these chips and so obviously they are valuable. But, but more importantly, with Senator Banks approach, all he's saying is give us first dibs, right? If, if, if these are second, third tier chips, if US companies don't want them, can't use them, then okay, but by the way, people are upset about this bill, it exposes the whole thing, right? The fact that they're saying whoa, no, don't make us sell the chips to the US first is because they know that in fact the US companies would buy the chips.

Steve Bannon (34:05)

And so it looks, everybody, everybody around that table, all the tech Bros. The boligarchs, all of them, Silicon Valley. The reason this exists, the reason this exists is the lords of easy money on Wall street in Silicon Valley and the corporatist that sold us out. China was a backward agrarian, a third world agrarian country. It's been built by American capital, American technology. If we don't want to fight them and Oren Cass and Steve Bannon are non interventionists, it doesn't mean we're non confrontationist. This must be confronted. Here's how it's confronted. You stop playing patty cake with this. It's a hard decouple. There's no question and no debate about we're going to sell them chips, they're going to take these chips or great chips or Americans are going to get chips. Screw that. Number one, cut them off from all capital, all technology. When I Say technology. No technology sales to the Chinese Communist Party or China at all. Number two. Number three, no expertise. If they're in a US corporation, they go home. If they're in a US research lab, they go home. Number four, all the students, all 350,000, cancel the visas. They all go home immediately. You don't train them, there's no expertise, there's no technology. There's no. There's no bank financing, capital markets, venture capital, none of it. In six months, Lao Beijing will be turfing these guys. Oh, by the way, you cut off the oil from the Persians because it's supposed to be cut off anyway. You cut off the oil from the Venezuelans, so it's supposed to be cut off anyway. And, and you sanction the oil coming out of Russia like we did with India. You do those steps, they ain't going to be. They're not going to be flexing because they're going to be broke and their people are going to overthrow them. Or Cass isn't our answer here instead of and I love banks and we've got to put that in there for today. But the answer is we have to have a national conversation. We're either going to let American corporatist and lords of easy money on Wall street continue to finance them because they're in business with them. Why do you think Nvidia is in the way? They're sitting there talking about chips and they're back door in us all the time. Why are we even having these conversations? Here's the answer. No chips. The answer is zero. The answer is zero. And all the technologies, all the kids are here. 350,000. It's not about the kids. But they got to sign a paper. They got to be almost an intelligence agent. How about this? Your visa is canceled and you go home tomorrow and 350,000 spaces are available for. Wait for it. American kids. Right? And Howard Lutnick saying, well, the bottom 10% of the colleges are going to business. I don't give a damn. Let them go out of business. If they're living off foreign students, I don't care. This is about American and American students. Or in Cass, are you with me on hard decoupling or is that too radical an idea?

Oren Cass (36:51)

Sir, we've actually written the paper called A Hard Break with China. I've even given up using the word decoupling because I think people think it sounds soft. And we'll work it out. And you know, sort of like Gwyneth. What was Gwyneth Paltrow's Term, the conscious decoupling. I think we, I think we need a hard break and I especially appreciate you making that point about, you know, this has been going on for a generation. I mean, it's one thing if in the year 2000 you think, oh, let's go do business in China, we'll get a foothold, we'll build a great business there. To still be saying that in 2025, I mean, Nvidia is trying to say you have to let us sell chips there so we can establish American leadership in China, like Charlie Brown with Lucy and the football. I don't know how you can seriously think at this point you're going to build a constructive, profitable relationship with China. In the long run, it's just a short term cash grab that completely sells out the actual American interests in the long term.

Steve Bannon (37:48)

Oren, help me out here because you're, like I said, a steady pair of hands. We know that technology is a driver of the American economy. We got that. But when you have those demons on the day that Bobby Kennedy testifies and it's a star chamber, right, it's an inquisition. And they all come out and they're trying to fire him. Look, the fight for Bobby Kennedy is a long way from over. And if we're going to keep the Maha Make America Healthy Again and Make America Great Again coalition that gave us the huge victory in November 2024, Bobby Kennedy's got to be saved. How do you have. Who at the White House tells President Trump, let's have a dinner that night with the very people that had the technology that suppressed all the voices that were coming out against the vaccine mandates. And you had two of the worst demons you've got, Zuckerberg, who is a criminal, right? And now we're in federal court with him in the FTC trying to break up Facebook. I don't know if it's appropriate to put him next to the President United States at a dinner. And also Gates, who's the worst guy in the world on vaccines? Am I hammering the tech broligarchs too hard or should we gotta have a. The MAGA movement has to have a. We have to get this sorted now. They don't bring any votes. The Maha movement brings millions of votes, Right? These guys bring no votes. They bring cash. But trust me, if we lose in 2026 or President Trump doesn't win again in 2028, they're going to. They're all progressive Democrats. They're going to be back over the other side. They're going to be Bang, for Trump to go to prison or in cash. Your thoughts?

Oren Cass (39:20)

Well, President Trump's not eligible to run for president in 2028. But whoever is running, I think it's certainly important to have a much more sort of level playing field in our media than we've seen in the past. I think the one nice thing that we've seen is that, you know, what you're really seeing from these tech bros is I don't think they actually care about the politics very much at all. They'll just respond to incentives. And when all the incentives were to cozy up to the progressive left wing woke folks, they all stampeded that direction. I think it's actually a good thing that they're seeing. Oh, no, that's right. You know, sometimes one side is going to be in power, sometimes the other side is going to be in power. We got to be in a position to, you know, maybe get along with both. What's important, what we need to see more from the Trump administration is the clear conditions or demands. Okay. What are the things you have to do if you do want to be at the table in the White House? And I think, you know, and we see this with a lot of, of big business right now generally. And as we're just talking about with something like Nvidia is probably the worst example of it. There are still some folks in the White House who have the attitude that, like, you know, well, whatever corporations want, we should just do. And almost every time they go down that path, it ends up looking bad for the White House, it looks bad for the President, and then ultimately it's bad for the country. So we need to make sure that people advising the president, we do make sure the President are focused, not on thinking, well, you know, this person's a CEO, he's very rich. I'm sure he makes sense and is thinking about what's good for America and realize that that's just not their priority. It's the President's job, it's the administration's job to be focused on what's good for the country and then make sure that American corporations are operating within that.

Steve Bannon (41:10)

War room posse. Oren Kass is one of the smartest guys we have and one of the smartest guys on populist nationalist economics. But I have not read him in yet to trump 28, and I promise I will do that this weekend. Horn gas. You're one of my favorite people. Where do people. What's your coordinates? Where do people go for to support Jim Banks in this effort? Where they go Your social media, the site, the magazine, all of it. Your book, your great new book, where they go.

Oren Cass (41:36)

Well I'm, I'm on X at Underscore Cass. American Compass is the organization our magazine is is Commonplace. You can subscribe@commonplace.org and for a lot of the background on these big ideas we're working on, we just put out this book called the New Conservative that talks about what you know, not just President Trump, but now Secretary of State Rubio and Vice President Vance and folks like Senator Banks, all the folks who I think are building the future of the conservative movement tries to kind of lay out a lot of the ideas that that are behind it. So hope, hope folks will check it out.

Steve Bannon (42:07)

Perfect. Great job. Appreciate you.

Oren Cass (42:10)

Thank you.

Steve Bannon (42:11)

The bat. The battle is engaged. How do you understand this? One of the things I'm very proud of because remember the and Joe Allen is going to be. I'm kind of obsessed with this. Aren't. I think it's the third day in a row I've done it. Why? Because this is signal, not noise. The most important thing that came out of here, the Shanghai meeting and the in the parade was not the parade, the flex, the show of military strength trying to take credit for World War II because they need legitimacy. What was the most important thing? It was Putin and Xi in that hot mic comment where they talked about these are two of the three most powerful men in the world. The third being in the White House. Donald Trump. What were they talking about when they had time for themselves? Transhumanism. They were talking about today that they could live for 125 or 150 years. How they going to do it? Live organ harvesting. But they were talking about technologies that are coming that are going to lead to this came at a she's lips. Immortality, the convergence. This is why we've covered transhumanism so strongly. Ben Harnwell in Rome, Joe Allen on transhumanism. All next in the war room. According to the Department of Energy, blackouts could increase by 10,000% over the next few years. It's because of massive energy demand from artificial intelligence data centers. We talk about that all the time here in the war room. And we have a fragile power grid. It just cannot keep up with that demand. I don't know about you, but I don't like the idea of being without power even for a day. That's why I got the grid Dr. 3300 from my patriot supply. It's a powerful solar generator that runs refrigerators, AC units, medical devices, power tools. Anything you need to write out a blackout. And right now, for their Christmas in July event, they're including over $1,000 in free survival gear with your generator, including emergency food supply, water, filtration, survival tools and more. You heard that right. Over a thousand bucks and free gear for a limited time. Head to my Patriotsupply.com Bannon that's my Patriotsupply.com Bannon. And grab the Christmas in July bundle before it's gone. Blackouts are coming. Go to my patronsupply.com Bannon and get prepared today.

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Tickets won't last. Evidently, Britain is on the brink of civil war. And that's according to Donald Trump's former chief strategist, Steve Bannon. He's warned that radical Islam is fueling unrest here at home and across Europe. James, is he right?

Matt Goodwin (45:56)

Absolutely not. This comes and here I will say Steve Bannon is a racist. And this.

Steve Bannon (46:02)

What, because it's confirmed? It's concerned about.

Matt Goodwin (46:04)

No, no, no, no. Because of things that he has said and done, including in this particular piece. But let me, let me come to, let me come to, let me come to where this comes from. In the United States, there is a long standing feverish dream on the extreme right. Matt knows about this. He's researched it, I'm sure of the idea of a coming race war. And this doesn't come from concern for the people of the US it comes from a particular fringe of the ultra white supremacist, white nationalist right, which Steve Bannon flirts with at best. And it's not based in reality, it's not based in concern for the people in the US and this is trying to transplant it onto here. He touches base. There's some hinge points because a. A Democratic socialist called Zoram Mandani is the frontrunner to become the next mayor of New York. And this is of course horrific for Bannon, not on the basis of his socialism, but on the basis that he is a Muslim. And the idea that we are about to have a civil war in Britain is plainly nonsense.

News Anchor (47:09)

Is it?

Steve Bannon (47:10)

Lots of people do feel dawn that there is unrest.

Oren Cass (47:13)

Matt.

Academic Expert (47:14)

What?

Matt Goodwin (47:14)

A civil, a civil war.

Academic Expert (47:16)

Just, just provide some context for the comments because it is also true, as people following the Westminster debate know, that Steve Bannon is not the only person to say that we have a social contract in this country that is rapidly collapsing. Professor David Betts at ucl, who is a very respected academic who has worked on civil conflict and civil wars in developing states for many years, he's looked at that literature, the academic literature, and he said, look, these are the things that you tend to see in societies that morph into conflict. And he's looked at the UK today and he said, basically you have a couple of things that make him very concerned. Just briefly, there's two things. One is you have this very tense and deteriorating relationship between the elites and the masses, between politicians and voters. And we can all feel that we don't really, a lot of people out there don't, everyone would agree, don't respect Westminster. So you've got that. But then on top of that, as we saw for example in the Harehills riots or in Southend or in, you know, you could argue in the aftermath of Southport, in certain neighborhoods, you have organized inter ethnic tension that is sort of mobilizing on group lines. And I think I'm right in saying, and I wouldn't put words into his mouth, but I think I'm right in saying that. David Betts is saying, look, the factors that you would expect to see in a society that ends up having a very high conflict situation are already present in the uk.

Steve Bannon (48:48)

Who was the. Who is a young progressive, right? You see how they go, oh my God, they're all racist. They're everything. No, it's coming. It could be averted, but it's going to take a ton of work. And Nigel Farage is today at the Reform conference, which Reform has in polling today. And this is a political party created out of whole clothes, right? Remember we helped Nigel with Brexit. Raheem Gassam ran that. Raheem Gassam ran Breitbart London for me. So we've been on this for, I don't know, 12, 13 years, 15 years maybe. That's where I met Ben Harnwell during that time. This is the 10th year anniversary of Merkel inviting in 1 million Syrian refugees which started it all in the continent and England's been more and more out of control. Reform today. Polls, if you add the Tories who have been around for 250 years and labor, the current government, add them together and I think the reforms five points up. Ben Harnwell, give me your, give me your thoughts, particularly our progressive colleague there. Really going after us, a bunch of racists, nativists. We're bad guys. Right.

Ben Harnwell (50:02)

Well firstly, you had a couple of names mentioned in that segment. Firstly, if it's not too early to do so, I think we're gonna have Matt Goodwin on the show on our Friday war room battleground 6pm and he mentioned David Betts. Well, of course viewers of the War Room will remember David Betts because we had him on the show a couple of weeks ago to explore precisely that thesis that, you know, as an expert in failing states, you can apply those criteria to failing states to the UK today. But I just want to respond to what Brother Schneider was saying there, Steve, first, I mean I don't quite know where to start. However, let's just go from the most essential things first. Islam is not a race, it's a religion, it's an ideology. You can, you can think what you like to Islam, you can say it's a false religion. You, it's not based on the true revelation of God to mankind. That's obviously Jesus Christ. You can say all of these things. It doesn't make you a racist. Perhaps you can apply the word Islamophobic and you can say whether you want to be defined by that or not. But I think it's absolutely legitimate. But the point is that guy, what he's saying, I know we've got a break coming along now, but what that guy is saying is full in your face to the great, to Great Britain where it is at the moment. Any, even a cursory scroll through of any social media platform will show you what is going on right now in the uk. And sadly the GB News has some great commentators on it. It also has some that are slightly missing the mark. The momentum is clearly now going in the favor of the white working class who are trying to retake take the UK back. And that I think is why GB News on that segment is ever so slightly behind the curve on that. And of course we explored this in detail on last night's War Room Battleground as well.

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