Episode 4766: Corruption Of Science Impact On Public Perception

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room — Episode 4766

Title: Corruption Of Science Impact On Public Perception
Date: September 9, 2025
Host: Steve Bannon
Notable Guests: Aaron Siri, Dr. Robert Malone, Senator Blumenthal, Senator Johnson

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Overview

This episode centers on the fierce debate over vaccine safety, government transparency, and the integrity of scientific advice given to the public. The focal point is a heated Senate subcommittee hearing featuring Aaron Siri (noted vaccine safety attorney) and Dr. Robert Malone (controversial vaccine scientist), with sharp questioning from Senators Blumenthal and Johnson. The discussion expands to public accountability, the politicization of health crises, and the consequences of science policy decisions. In the latter part of the episode, Bannon pivots to Middle East geopolitics, the BRICS currency summit, and ongoing internal U.S. political maneuvering.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Vaccine Safety Science & the Role of the CDC

[00:00–01:47] Aaron Siri Testimony

• Aaron Siri details lawsuits against the CDC to obtain studies on vaccine safety, specifically seeking proof that early childhood vaccines (meningococcal, polio, Hib, Hep B) do not cause autism.
  • Quote: “We sued them because they wouldn’t give it to us...Not one [study] has to do with those vaccines...This notion that there’s a mountain of studies out there that show vaccines with autism is ridiculous.” — Aaron Siri [00:29]
• Siri also disputes media reports about alleged measles deaths, asserting hospital error, not measles, was the primary cause in at least one case.
  • Emphasizes the limitations of current vaccine safety literature, citing Institute of Medicine and Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ) reports.
  • Criticizes the vaccine industry’s immunity from legal liability.
    • Quote: “If vaccines are so safe, why are they the only consumer product where you cannot sue the manufacturer for injuries...?” — Aaron Siri [01:34]

2. Senate Hearing Dynamics, Tensions Over Public Statements

[01:47–07:04 / 20:51–27:04] Dr. Robert Malone’s Defense and Q&A

• Dr. Malone asserts his credentials as a leading vaccinologist, inventor of key mRNA patents, and extensive experience in public health and military vaccine programs.

  • Describes professional setbacks after whistleblowing on research ethics and mandates during COVID.
  • Details his and his wife’s production of meme roundups on Substack, clarifies intent behind controversial posts, especially one invoking “Russian roulette” as a metaphor for rare but severe outcomes.
    • Quote: “Russian roulette is a metaphor...when you have a random event with a severe outcome, it can appear statistically to be inconsequential, but in fact, it has a major impact.” — Dr. Malone [09:13]
  • Rejects accusations that his memes incite violence toward scientists, noting the context and intent are statistical/political commentary, not advocacy for violence.
    • Quote: “I object to that. I haven’t advocated violence for anybody. And those memes do not advocate violence.” — Dr. Malone [17:35]

• Senators Blumenthal and Johnson question Dr. Malone’s judgment, especially in light of a meme featuring a gun posted hours before a mass shooting at the CDC.

  • Senator Johnson presses Malone on whether he considered how CDC staff would perceive the post after a traumatic shooting.
    • Quote: “Did you think about how the dedicated employees of the CDC...would take that kind of post, given that they had just been through one of the most traumatic experiences of their lifetime?” — Senator Johnson [25:56]
  • Dr. Malone candidly admits, “No, I didn’t,” and does not regret the post, arguing humor and free speech are critical and noting gun violence is common in Atlanta.
    • Quote: “In terms of the traumatization of CDC members...Gunfire is normal in Atlanta. It happens all the time.” — Dr. Malone [26:41]

3. The Perceived Corruption and Politicization of Science

• Ongoing references to CDC advisory panel changes (all former members fired; Malone added).
• Discussion of the impact of mandates, coercion, and accountability in public health.
  • Malone expresses desire for public figures like Dr. Michelle Walensky and Dr. Leana Wen to apologize for their roles in divisive COVID-era public health messaging.

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4. Bannon’s Commentary: Populist Reactions, Media Distrust, and Deep-State Parallels

[04:07+ and recurring analysis]

• Steve Bannon frames the vaccine debate as a primal clash between “the people” and a “dying regime.”
  • Quote: “This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we’re going medieval on these people.” — Steve Bannon [04:07]
• Praises grassroots legal and amateur research efforts (Amy Kelly, Naomi Wolf) for exposing hidden pharmaceutical studies (the “Pfizer Papers”).
• Relates current events to a broader conservative distrust in mainstream media, legacy institutions, and scientific orthodoxy.

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5. Middle East Geopolitics and U.S. Foreign Policy

[36:02–48:00+]

• Bannon rails against Israeli PM Netanyahu over military action in Qatar and alleges a pattern of U.S. exploitation.

  • Criticizes U.S. politicians who “put Israel first.”

• Highlights the opacity and misdirection around U.S. involvement in Middle East affairs, with particular focus on the financing of Hamas by Qatar and the “side show” nature of the region.

  • Quote: “The Greater Israel Project, authored by Netanyahu is a sideshow to a sideshow. And it’s quite dangerous.” — Steve Bannon [40:55]

• Economic Segment: Brief alarm over the coming “Rio Reset,” as BRICS nations move to challenge the U.S. dollar’s reserve status.

6. Domestic Politics: Budget Standoffs and Republican Strategy

[48:16–52:34]

• Bannon discusses infighting among House Republicans over continuing resolutions (CRs), appropriations, and the specter of a government shutdown.
  • Encourages a shutdown to force a reckoning with the “administrative state.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Aaron Siri on Vaccine Liability:
  “Let me tell you my definition of vaccine, Senator. It's a product that causes so much injury that it has to have liability for the injuries that it's caused. Immunity for the injuries that it's causing. That's what a vaccine is.” — [01:41]

• Dr. Malone on Social Media & Intent:
  “I have not advocated violence for anybody... The first one refers to basically a quirk in statistics... The second one refers to a political statement... intended as humor.” — [17:34–18:41]

• Steve Bannon on Media and Regime Change:
  “All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it... It’s going to happen.” — [04:07]

• Senator Johnson on Responsibility in Public Office:
  “In a position of public trust, you have a responsibility. Consider the practical effect of your words beyond just your personal consideration...” — [22:30]

• Dr. Malone on Regret:
  “Don’t you regret those posts? ... I don’t.” — Dr. Malone [26:59–27:02]

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Important Timestamps

• [00:00–01:47]: Aaron Siri on litigation vs. CDC & vaccine cold cases
• [07:04–20:51]: Dr. Malone’s background, defense of memes, mainstream media blacklisting
• [20:51–27:04]: Senators question Malone on public responsibility, meme controversy, CDC shooting context
• [36:02–48:00+]: Bannon’s extended monologue on Middle East crises
• [48:16–52:34]: U.S. internal politics, government shutdown prospects

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Tone and Style

The episode is combative, skeptical, and intensely personal — with rhetoric aimed at exposing perceived establishment corruption, defending free speech even when inflammatory, and ridiculing opposition as either out-of-touch or malevolent. The hearing segments feature formal give-and-take, while Bannon’s solo sections are energetic, provocative, and inconsistent in tone, blending outrage with sarcasm.

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Summary

Episode 4766 of Bannon’s War Room delivers a no-holds-barred deconstruction of the vaccine safety debate and the politicization of science, featuring direct testimony from embattled figures Aaron Siri and Dr. Robert Malone in the context of a dramatic Congressional hearing. The episode underscores distrust of official narratives, frames scientific advisory boards as corruptible, and highlights the consequences of controversial public speech in positions of authority. As is typical for the War Room, policy analysis is interwoven with populist, anti-establishment commentary spanning health, politics, and global crises. Listeners are left with a stark portrait of polarized American discourse around science and public trust.

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Transcript

[Aaron Siri]

The kids whose parents typically don't need these vaccines. Can I just say one thing about the autism bit? Just because it's been bandied about. We sued the CDC for the studies that support that the vaccines given in the first month of life do not cause autism. We sued them because they wouldn't give it to us. We said, give us the studies that show the meningococcal vaccine, the polio vaccine, the Hep B vaccine, the Hib vaccine and the Hep B vaccine. Those five vaccines don't cause autism. You know what they provided? None other. We sued them in federal court. They ended up in stipulated order. They gave us 20 studies. Not one of them has to do with those vaccines. They're all MMR or they're all thimerosal. This notion that there's a mountain of studies out there that show vaccines with autism is ridiculous. And I've heard the measles death in Texas bandied about. We represent one of those families. We've seen the medical records. One of those kids, I can tell you for certain, did not die from measles. He died from hospital malfeasance. That's what he died from. He wasn't even having measles when he died. And we'll be putting out a support on that. And somebody else has reviewed the medical records of a second kid. I agree. We shouldn't engage in fear mongering. And if we're talking about the overview of the scientific literature instead of randomly looking at studies, maybe start with the Institute of Medicine reviews of the entire body of literature from 1991, 94, 2012, the HRQ reports, and you could see how vacuous vaccine safety science is. I'll leave with one last point. Look, if vaccines are so safe, why are they the only consumer product where you cannot sue the manufacturer for injuries to claim it was made SAFER? It's been 30, it's been 1980s, but over 30 years, they're telling you have be safe, hip safe. These are safe. You still need immunity. Okay, Let me tell you my definition of vaccine, Senator. It's a product that causes so much injury that it has to have liability for the injuries that it's caused. Immunity for the injuries that it's causing. That's what a vaccine is.

[Senator Blumenthal]

Okay, so again, I want to thank the witnesses. And again, Dr. Scott, I'd love to have you back and talk about treatment because again, that's what kind of drives me nuts. Now, Dr. Malone, I see you just standing up. I will say that the advice of my staff is let you respond to the comments made against you to the media. But if you want to. I mean, I'm going to not. I'm going to ignore the advice of my. My. My staff here. But you'd have to be sworn in. If you want to come up here. I'll offer. I'll offer that opportunity. I'll dismiss. I'll just. Okay. I'll dismiss the other panel.

[Dr. Robert Malone]

Mr. Scott, I'd like to say hello. My name is Dr. Robert Malone. I. Vaccines. I know the answers to all those questions that you don't have.

[Senator Blumenthal]

He's not here. Close out this hearing. You want to do it? Okay.

[Dr. Robert Malone]

I've been twice.

[Senator Blumenthal]

Okay.

[Dr. Robert Malone]

Twice during this meeting.

[Senator Blumenthal]

Okay, Just hang on. I've got it. There are committee rules. Hang on.

[Dr. Robert Malone]

Civility.

[Senator Blumenthal]

Okay.

[Dr. Robert Malone]

Dexterous.

[Senator Blumenthal]

So we, by rule, we have to allow Senator Blumenthal to come back here. Okay. So before I do any of this, we have to give him that opportunity. Is there a time limit on this? Yeah, I know. Okay, so why don't. Again, this panel is dismissed. I'll sit here.

[Dr. Robert Malone]

I congratulate Dr. Scott on his ability to mine three mines. Now, I've been trained as an expert. I know that one of the things you cannot do is infer intent. Dr. Scott has done exactly that. He has misconstrued what I said about Michelle Walensky and about Lena Wynn.

[Senator Blumenthal]

This panel. You're dismissed. Thank you again for your testimony. And you know, Dr. Scott, we might. Might get. Get another invitation letter here sometime in the future. Okay. Thank you much.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you. Senator Johnson. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that. But you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Senator Johnson]

And where do people like that go.

[Steve Bannon]

To share the big lie?

[Senator Johnson]

MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Steve Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Dr. Robert Malone]

War room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Steve Bannon]

It's Tuesday the 9th of September in the year of our Lord 2025. You're in for the late afternoon early evening show. We promise you fireworks. One of the wildest hearings I've seen seen in a long time. That was the end of It. But the whole day was kind of like a throwdown. It was a subcommittee by or as a committee by Senator Johnson and Blumenthal is the co chair. And it was about, you know, good science of supporting, you know, analysis of vaccines. But right there you saw what Aaron Seri, one of the more controversial people in our movement and Adele Bigtree's lawyer. So Aaron. And I think, Aaron, I think I'm correct that he was going to be chief of staff for Bobby Kennedy in the transition. And he got blown out because it came to him like he's anti vax. He's the worst. He's a demon and brilliant guy. I think Aaron is the person we owe because it was Dale Bigtree and the folks down in Texas that went to court. Remember, remember when Pfizer had the information and studies locked up for 70, what, 75 years? We would have never known any of this. None of it. Amy Kelly and Naomi Wolf and daily clout and 3,500 volunteers from the war room posse that went through all that data, all that analysis came out with two bestselling books, the Pfizer Papers. And Naomi was over at the European Parliament this week. Hang on. We're going to go back. They're going to swear in Malone and then they're going to let Malone counter anyway, Wild day and vaccines, bombing in Qatar. All kind of information. Let's go back live to this hearing and we'll jump in.

[Dr. Robert Malone]

Various comments have been made about intent and meaning concerning in particular, three tweets or three. They're not actually tweets. They're part of a weekly roundup of memes that my wife and I publish through our substack Malone News. We put out over the last four years thousands of essays and we get a little bit of a break. We put them out seven days a week, but we get a little bit of a break on Fridays and Sundays by doing a roundup of memes that other people have posted previously. They're sourced from many different places and we typically cluster them around topic areas. Now, unfortunately, the morning and just a little more context, of course, I speak here as a private party, even though I am appointed as a special government employee, serve at the discretion of the secretary on the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices for the Centers for Disease Control and prevention. I have 30 years of experience in vaccine development. I have multiple fundamental patents and discoveries, of which six have to do with MRNA vaccines. They were all filed between 1990 and 1991 that have subsequently issued. Those are the foundational documents in RNA vaccination history. They go back to my original invention. Disclosure about the use of RNA as a drug at the Salk Institute working in Indra Verma's lab in the molecular biology and virology laboratories of the salk Institute circa 1987. This predates the work of Kiriko and Weissman by well over a decade. MRNA vaccines were reduced to practice at Vical in approximately 1991, again published. I hold over 100 papers, thousands and thousands of citations. I'm recognized internationally for my work and as I say, it goes far beyond MRNA vaccines. I've been asked to testify at the World Health Organization twice. I played a key role in bringing forward the new Health Public Health Agency of Canada vaccine for Ebola and got it sold to the company Merck because I believed Merck was the most appropriate firm to further develop that vaccine. And I helped get hundreds of millions of dollars of federal funding to support the development of that Ebola vaccine at Merck or which was subsequently licensed. I am a vaccinologist. I am an immunologist. I am trained as a pathologist. I taught in medical school pathology for decades. But when I spoke about medical ethics early on in the COVID crisis and the fact that coercion, compulsion and enticement were not consistent with the norms of medical ethics, a discipline that I've been trained in except extensively because I do clinical research, that led to my being asked to comment about the technology for RNA vaccination, having developed it, and that led to an incredible wave of hate and blacklisting and defamation. Now, among those were many articles from, say, the New York Times, the Washington Post, Atlantic Monthly, Business Insider, et cetera, et cetera. But the consequence of this was that my consulting business that had been operating for over 20 years was destroyed. It's not the first time that I've been a whistleblower and had my profession destroyed. Unlike some of these folks as physicians that were unwilling to speak out, I have spoken out. I spoke out in particular about the death that occurred at UPENN having to do with Jesse Gelsinger and the use of adenovirus vectored gene therapy. And when I did that, I destroyed my academic career, which is why I transitioned to working primarily with the US army, particularly working in biodefense. I have many friends within the biodefense sector, have worked in there for years, have secret clearance from the Department of Defense, have been involved in virtually every major biodefense vaccine product that has been developed for the US military. But I destroyed again my consulting business by speaking out about what I was observing, particularly about the bioethics of the mandates, the coercion and enticement that occurred. And since then, I've had to find some way to make a living. And the way that I make a living as a licensed physician is to publish a substack essay once a day, day after day after day, year after year after year. And as I said, every Friday and every Sunday, my wife and one of our associates pulls together memes from the prior week, assembles them around topic areas and publishes them. Unfortunately, the morning and your initial statements conflated this, the timeline. The morning of Friday when this unfortunate event occurred at the cdc, we published one of the memes of many, including one that referenced you and your attacks on Jeanine Piero, accusing her of being a conspiracy theorist. But in that collection of memes, there was one that used a metaphor for random chance with severe outcomes. That metaphor was Russian roulette. Russian roulette is a metaphor. It is just like any form of roulette, only it has a very severe outcome. And that particular meme meant to make a point that when you have a random event with a severe outcome, it can appear statistically to be inconsequential, but in fact, it has a major impact. Hence the chamber with one bullet in a revolver and the statement that five out of six would agree that Russian roulette is safe. It is a metaphor. It is not a violent indication. It had no indication of any weapon being pointed at anybody. Then on the following Sunday, after the event that occurred approximately 5:00pm at the CDC, and I concur with you and have expressed as a member of the ACIP to cdc, my deep regret about what transpired. But the following Sunday, two of the memes in the collection referenced Elizabeth Warren's statement that one doesn't need 20 rounds to be a hunter. If you need 20 rounds, you're not a good hunter. And that provoked a lot of response from Second Amendment supporters. And two of those responses we happen to collect and post together. One of them specifically referenced the senator and made a statement. The meme went, well, she's saying, if you need 20 rounds to be a hunter, you're not a very good hunter. And the response was, if you need to disarm the population, then you're not a very good governor. The other one was the one that you've posted. I don't believe that's an automatic weapon, but I'm not a specialist. I don't actually own any guns except for a Couple pellet guns that I use to kill rodents on my horse farm in central Virginia, about 10 miles from the home, former home of James Madison, that was cited earlier as a strong supporter of an armed populace and the Second Amendment. But I'm not a gun nut. I don't carry guns. The meme was referring to the senator's facetious statement, and it was poking fun back at her. And I think most would agree that humor is a very effective way to resolve tension and to discuss sensitive political topics. And our Friday funnies and Sunday strip are probably what is paying most of the bills now and allowing me to buy hay for my horses because my audience really enjoys them. That's all they were, was meme collections. Humor, by the way, free speech. And none of those were ones that we originated, by the way, and none of them had anything to do with inciting violence. You made a statement earlier that I have advocated violence against scientists. I object to that. I haven't advocated violence for anybody. And those memes do not advocate violence. The first one refers to basically a quirk in statistics, and the second one refers to a political statement from Senator Elizabeth Warren, which was intended on her part to be humorous. And the responses were also intended as humor. Thank you for allowing me to comment on your let's say. And by the way, I think you also said on MSNBC that I was unqualified to serve on the ACIP when I heard that it was brought to my attention. Moments after you said it, I called up your office and I said, you know, the senator probably has never read my cv. Can I come in and talk to one of your staff at your office and go over this, thinking that there must be a misunderstanding. And I was given the number, the contact information email, to set up a meeting with one of your staffers. And I would have been glad to drive up here from my farm in central Virginia and meet with one of your staffers, go over my CV and discuss your concerns. Unfortunately, they never got back to me. So I'm for me. By the way, Senator Blumenthal, I used to be a registered Democrat. I grew up in the central coast of California. What I've observed during the Biden administration completely turned me around. Like many people, like Sasha Stone, like many people in this audience, regarding the statements that were made earlier by the US Young doctor in which he cited a tweet that I put out. Actually, my wife reprimanded me. She thought that was a little too edgy. Where I commented on Anthony Fauci seeking refuge in Siena Italy. Now, how do I know about that? Because I go to Italy a lot and I was approached by two whistleblowers, including one from the policeman's union that has been tracking Anthony Fauci's movies movements within Italy, and told me about a number of things that he has been doing and asked me to get that information back to the government. So I was aware of his movements in Italy, hence the comment. And regarding my comment about Lena Wen and the former director of the cdc, the former director has repeatedly lied to the American public and then after resignation or whatever we want to call it, has gone completely silent. Not be heard of, no testimony, no request for forgiveness, no acknowledgement of those lies. And more about those lies I suspect may come out soon. I speculate because I'm not able to speak about what we know at the ACIP regarding Lena Nguyen. She made a series of statements about what is essentially violence that she believed should be done to the unvaccinated during COVID I'd like Lena Nguyen to apologize. I'd like to know where Lena Nguyen is. I'd like to know what she's doing right now. Not because I want to cause her any violence or harm, but I'd like her to be held accountable. I'd like both of them to be asked, why did you say these things during this crucial time, these things that caused so much pain, that caused so much harm, that was so divisive, that politicized public health during the COVID crisis unnecessarily? Why did you say those things? Do you regret them now? Do you have any sense of what you did? That's why I'd like to know where they are. I'd like to have them stand up and acknowledge to the American public that they did wrong. Thank you for the opportunity to speak and to address these comments, and I'm glad to respond to any question you happen to want to ask Senator Blumenthal, recognizing that I am under oath.

[Senator Blumenthal]

Dr. Malone, Senator Blumenthal, have any questions?

[Senator Johnson]

Just a couple of questions. I just want to make sure I have the facts right here. First of all, let me say I was unaware that you called my office. If you want to sit down, I'd.

[Dr. Robert Malone]

Be happy to do so, and I'm glad to do so anytime. Thank you.

[Senator Johnson]

Second, you're a member of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices in the cdc, correct?

[Dr. Robert Malone]

Correct, sir.

[Senator Johnson]

You were appointed by Secretary Kennedy after He fired all 17 of the previous members.

[Dr. Robert Malone]

Correct? Which I had no role in doing.

[Senator Johnson]

My view. Tell me if I'm Wrong. Is the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, also known as asap, is a position of immense public trust.

[Dr. Robert Malone]

That's your opinion. Personally, I think the ACIP is a federal FACA committee which should be immune from intimidation and which has head mission creep. That's my opinion. I think that this committee and the. The sense of importance attributed to this committee is grossly overplayed.

[Senator Johnson]

The committee's role has responsibility for deciding.

[Dr. Robert Malone]

No, it doesn't. This committee has responsibilities for advising the.

[Senator Johnson]

Director of the cdc, only deciding, in its view, what vaccines should be recommended, and then providing that advice to the secretary or to the cdc. Correct.

[Dr. Robert Malone]

That is one interpretation. I take a much narrower view of the charter of the. A SIP having had to spell it.

[Senator Johnson]

Let me just say I view this committee as a one of public trust. I view it as seriously responsible for providing advice to the secretary. And that's the reason why he wanted you there. And I have no quarrel with your expressing your views as a matter of First Amendment rights, whether they were intended for humor or some other reason. But in a position of public trust, you have a responsibility. Consider the practical effect of your words beyond just your personal consideration, and you may have a First Amendment right to say what you wish and you do. I would defend that right. But as a matter of a public official in a position of public trust, the posts that you did had consequences in your mind. I'm sorry?

[Dr. Robert Malone]

In your mind, you made an interpretation about that. The bulk of Americans recognize humor.

[Senator Johnson]

Your comment is that on the morning of August 8th, hours before a gunman fired 200 rounds at the CDC.

[Steve Bannon]

All true.

[Senator Johnson]

You put up a post with a gun and we had it here.

[Dr. Robert Malone]

Yes, it was posted. You. You shared it with us at the beginning of the meeting.

[Senator Johnson]

And that's a pretty threatening post, I would say.

[Dr. Robert Malone]

If you believe that's threatening, then clearly you haven't watched Netflix. We are constantly bombarded by violent images. They are part of our culture. That is not a threatening post, in my opinion.

[Senator Johnson]

Unfortunately, we are also all too commonly experiencing gun violence in this country, which does not.

[Dr. Robert Malone]

That's a fascinating point because of the linkage between gun violence and certain medications.

[Senator Johnson]

Which does not condone any person in a position of public trust doing something that could in some way normalize it or make it. Okay, let me just ask.

[Dr. Robert Malone]

So you. You infer that that normalizes gun violence. That post about random chance.

[Senator Blumenthal]

So we're gonna have.

[Senator Johnson]

Let me just.

[Senator Blumenthal]

Chairman, I want to wrap this up.

[Senator Johnson]

Because here I'll end it with this question.

[Senator Blumenthal]

Wrap it up.

[Senator Johnson]

48 hours after that gunman killed a police officer guarding the cdc. As a member of the Advisory committee on Immunization Practices for the cdc, you posted that second one here together with.

[Dr. Robert Malone]

Another one that made it very clear that both were about Elizabeth Warren's statement, which is the one at the top of that mean.

[Senator Johnson]

So my question to you, Dr. Malone, is, as a member of that advisory committee to the cdc, did you think about how the dedicated employees of the cdc, the scientists and researchers and public health advocates would take that kind of post, given that they had just been through one of the most traumatic experiences of their lifetime, their building under lockdown because there was an armed gunman firing at them and killing a police officer? Did you consider how they would react?

[Dr. Robert Malone]

And Senator Blumenthal, I'm under oath, and the truth is, no, I didn't. I had to go feed the horses, take care of the farm. My wife put together the memes. I looked through them and I said, go. Go ahead and post it. Now, in terms of the traumatization of CDC members, they live in Atlanta. I used to live in north Atlanta. Gunfire is normal in Atlanta. It happens all the time.

[Senator Johnson]

Don't you regret those posts?

[Dr. Robert Malone]

I don't.

[Senator Johnson]

I have no further question.

[Senator Blumenthal]

Okay, thank you. Probably wouldn't even notice if you wouldn't have blown her out of proportion. But anyway, the record for this hearing remain open for 15 days until Wednesday, September 24, 2025 at 5:00pm for the submission of statements and requests for the record. This hearing is adjourned.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, thank you very much. Another wild day on Capitol Hill about vaccines and big pharma. The. It's going to get even crazier, folks. This battle is now fully enjoined. And Bobby Kennedy put out today the Make America Healthy Again report. Mary Holland is at the hearing today. She's going to step out and call us momentarily. We're going to take a break. We got Philip Patrick. We got so much to go through. It's pretty wild. But we had. That hearing was so intense. Although in Dr. Malone. I got to confess, when Dr. Malone started doing the Malone funnies years ago, I did comment like the second time he put it up, I said, you know, brother, we're in a fight right now over with the most powerful people in the world, these vaccine companies. You just got to be very, very, very careful. So anyway, he and Blumenthal getting into it. Blumenthal put up some memes that Dr. Malone put up and Dr. Malone defending it right there as head of the new advisory committee. They blew out the 17 people and put Dr. Malone in charge with others. Bobby Kennedy today. I have a couple clips of Bobby Kennedy playing after the break. Mary Holland's going to join us Also quite confusing. Hey, I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so, I told you that Hamas is not getting their money from Iran. This whole thing of Tel Aviv, Levin in this crowd about, oh, Iran, you know, they got Hamas. No, Hamas is the franchisees of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood is financed out of Qatar. Netanyahu hit him today, particularly their negotiation team. I see pattern recognition here now. President Trump just put a true social. Didn't know anything about it, didn't get a heads up, no warning or maybe a few minutes before. But Netanyahu, our best ally, our best ally never came and kind of looked for permission or they're attacking the Gulf Emirates now. And don't get me wrong, if you gotta attack one, hey, I'm all down for a cutter. I've been saying for a while, I don't know why we're over there, why we're saying they're our buddies, why David Sacks and that crowd's all over there lost on me. The railhead for the financing Muslim Brotherhood, however they're going to try to take them out inside the capital city of Doha. You might want to run that by somebody. Just, you know, thinking out loud, just asking questions. This July there is a global summit of BRICS nations in Rio de Janeiro. The bloc of emerging superpowers including China, Russia, India and Persia are meeting with the goal of displacing the United States dollar as the global currency. They're calling this the Rio Reset. As BRICS nations push forward with their plans, global demand for US dollars will decrease bringing down the value of the dollar and in your savings. While this transition won't not happen overnight, but trust me, it's going to start in Rio. The Rio Reset in July marks a pivotal moment when BRICS objectives move decisively from a theoretical possibility towards inevitable reality. Learn if diversify your savings into gold is right for you. Birch Gold Group can help you move your hard earned savings into a tax sheltered IRA and precious metals. Claim your free info kit on gold by texting my name Bannon. That's B A N N O N to 989-898 with an A plus rating with the Better Business Bureau and tens of thousands of happy customers led Birchgold army with a free no obligation info kit on owning gold before July and the Rio reset. Text Bannon B A N N O N 298-9898. Do it today. That's the Rio reset. Text Bannon at 989-898 and do it today. If you're a homeowner, you need to listen to this. In today's AI and cyber world, scammers are stealing home titles with more ease than ever. And your equity is the target. Here's how it works. Criminals forge your signature on one document, use a fake notary stamp, pay small fee with your county, and boom. Your home title has been transferred out of your name. Then they take out loans using your equity, or even sell your property. You won't even know it's happened until you get a collection or foreclosure notice. So let me ask you, when was the last time you personally checked your home title? If you're like me, the answer is never. And that's exactly what scammers are counting on. That's why I trust home title lock. Use promo code steve@hometitle lock.com to make sure your title is still in your name. You also get a free title history report, plus a free 14 day trial of their million dollar triple lock protection. That's 24,7 monitoring of your title, urgent alerts to any changes, and if fraud should happen, they'll spend up to $1 million to fix it. Go to hometitle lock.com now. Use promo code Steve. That's hometitle lock.com promo code Steve. Do kill America's voice Family Are you on Getter yet?

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Are saying that they acted alone, that this was carried out by the Israeli military, Israeli intelligence, that it took a long time to plan, that it took months to gather all of the information, intelligence, and that they launched the operation that Prime Minister Netanyahu authorized the operation after the shooting attack which Hamas claimed responsibility for here in Jerusalem yesterday. The US Officials have told NBC News that the United States did get a heads up about the attack shortly before it took place. It's unclear exactly how much of a heads up the U.S. was given. And according to U.S. officials, they, they told the Qataris that the attack was coming. But it can't be much of a heads up because according to Qatari officials, at least one Qatari security official was killed by the Israeli strikes. So they, the Israelis say they, they did it. They said they told the Americans ahead of time. The Americans passed that on to the Qataris, but Qatar still had some forces in the room. And in terms of its success, Israel isn't commenting on the exact results. They're saying who was targeted, that they targeted the top leaders of Hamas, saying they targeted the people who were tied to and Masterminds of the October 7th massacre. But Hamas has come out quite explicitly, issuing a long statement and a list of names saying that the top leaders all survived, but that some of their relatives, security guards and lower level aides were killed instead in this Aren't we.

[Steve Bannon]

So see President Trump, aren't they negotiating a peace. Look, let's be blunt. In Tel Aviv, Levin and this entire crowd who are not really Americans, they don't put America first. They put Israel first. So their allegiance is not to Levin's allegiance, not to this country. Here, you've had it. I said it over and over and over again. Netanyahu is out of control. He's destroying Israel, he's turning the world against Jews throughout the world. And everything President Trump's done to have this guy's back, including bail him out, bail him out on a war he started with the Persians that he couldn't finish. Number one, he didn't have the capacity, he knew he didn't have the capacity to take out the nuclear enrichment program, including the above ground, which we had to put 30 Tomahawk missiles on top of and he couldn't defend the people of Israel. He was getting pounded. President Trump stepped in with overwhelming force and ended the 12 day war and everything he owes. President and the United States, America's best ally. America's best ally. Hey, look, I'm all for hitting the Muslim Brotherhood. Where have you heard on this? You've heard on this show from time, from the beginning. Qatar finance them. I don't understand why we're playing footsies with Qatar. Maybe I can read in the papers and see what Qatar's doing about spreading money around. They financed the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood is the Hamas is the local franchisee. Netanyahu took Qatar money, Muslim Brotherhood money into Gaza with this whole theory of, okay, let's take their money, see if we can't make it work. There's a scandal that he won't let be investigated. The people around him took cash money from Qatar. The head of Mossad put is putting this book out right now eviscerating Netanyahu and says he wants to run against him. He kind of in the book, he said, hey, they're taking money like crazy. And no, I had to kind of quasi investigate it. Mossad had nothing to do with it and I'm not taking any money. The Qatar scandal in Israel is huge. And you're telling me that that guy Netanyahu organizes and thinks through an attack and didn't even give President Trump a fare thee well kind of notified President Trump's truce, says the military got notified moments before it happened. It was too late to do anything bad. What, what are we doing? What are the Gulf Emirates supposed to say? What is uae who's actually kind of a semi ally down there are the Saudis. Not that you can trust any of them. What did I say? National conservatism at the conference last week. Gosh, Steve Bannon, so prescient. It's a sideshow. The Middle east is a sideshow in Israel. The Greater Israel Project, authored by Netanyahu is a sideshow to a sideshow. And, and it's quite dangerous. Where are you? Tel Aviv? Levin, where is everybody? About, about. They're dragging us into attacking a capital of a country that President Trump is very close to. President Trump went to Qatar, sat there in the op. They had a thing on stage and said, hey, I've known the sheikh and the family for a long time. We're going to figure things out. They've got the safety, they got the security of the United States. Hey, President Trump lays it down. It is what it is. And you don't give even a fare thee well like, hey, we're thinking of doing this. What do you think? No, I don't think you ought to do that. And you notice they go and try to kill the negotiating teams? Hmm, I think I'm seeing some pattern recognition. Let me think. Oh, yeah, that's right. On the so urgent Thursday night when they had to go in and bomb Persia. It had to happen on Thursday evening because as Netanyahu told Bret Baier on Sunday on Fox on that special six o' clock special report on Sunday evening, well, they're a year or so away from getting a nuclear weapon. He's been saying that for 30 years. There was no urgency. Zero. It was a decapitation attack because they tried to take out the senior levels of the military and they did take out the negotiating team that Witkoff had a meeting on the books and Musk caught Oman on Sunday. It's what they do. So I want to see him. All the cheerleading now. Oh, that's right. Fox has pivoted to Venezuela. That's their new deal. Got to get a war going somewhere. So now we pivoted to Venezuela. Not the Maduro done ray killing. Not that the Muslim Brotherhood done ray killing. Folks, there's a lot of people in the world to rate killing, okay? Is that what we're supposed to do is go wander around the planet, start killing them? Hey, you know me. Let's start in Beijing. Let's roll. There's some warlords down in Sub Saharan Africa killing Christians like crazy. Let's hit there, too. Let's. Let's just roll. Is this what we do now? And what's Netanyahu's excuse going to be this time? President Trump put the true social out. What was not his strongest truth social. I would be outraged. You've had this guy's back. A guy that stiffed you on soleimani with about 10 minutes to go, pulls out a guy that is the first guy to kiss Biden's ass on that Saturday when the Associated Press announced it. They steal the election on Tuesday night. We're fighting like crazy. People are peeling off. We're hammering like crazy. Fox is starting to get a little jiggy, right? They're getting a little jiggy by Wednesday. I think Laura Ingram does the eulogy for Donald Trump. He's gone. Trump's gone. People are peeling off the hardcores. You know who you are. We're digging in. The election's stolen. Let's figure this thing out on Saturday The Associated press at about 2 o' clock calls it. The horns are blaring all over here. Their horns are blaring all over the place. Oh, it's celebration in the imperial capital. Who's the first guy to call him up and congratulate him? Netanyahu. Netanyahu. And then today, this a beauty. Hey, don't get me wrong, a lot of Muslim Brotherhood bad hombres deserve to be killed. It's the process of how you kill them. Not when President Trump says, hey, I'm trying to get a deal done here. I'm trying to get this thing organized because you're not going to slaughter 2 million people in Gaza. It's not going to happen on my watch. And President Trump knows that. No nation on earth looks like they're sitting there welcoming them with open arms, no matter how big a check you write. And the Jordanians don't want them, and the Turks don't want them, and Egypt doesn't want them. And hey, right, so you're going to have to figure it out. It's going to take a while. So maybe what you don't do is go kill the negotiating team. That always gets to some gunfire, some people shot up. Yes, I got that. There are people getting killed over there every day. It's the process. You don't come to the president, you don't come to Rubio or Pete Hegseth or the massage run in the CIA. You don't go to Mayor, the Texas mayor. Right, Ratcliffe, you know, go to Mayor Ratcliffe and ask him. Nobody get, nobody gets a heads up. You notify the military right before it's about to go, I guess, to let them know, hey, you can put your thaad systems down. These are coming from us. I mean, how does this work? You're, we're getting sucked into this thing deeper and deeper with, with people, with. Netanyahu. Always comes to us to bail him out. Always comes to us to bail him out. This is where Tel Aviv, Levin, these guys, Lady Ballface, they weren't winning the Persian war. President Trump did him the biggest solid in history by sending in the bombers and the cruise missiles to end, as President Trump said, total obliteration. Did President Trump not say that? Total obliteration end the 12 day war. He counted it right up. 12 days, boom, done, over. No regime change, no we're going to march on Tehran. Not going to happen. He says, get this mess sorted up. And I want it sort, I want it sorted out because for political reasons, you've been screwing around with this. And listen, I still want my seven October. By this time in World War II, we had done two inquiries into Pearl Harbor. So don't tell me you got too much going on. It's like the excuse, oh, well, the Mossad was so focused on Iran that we weren't focused on Hamas. So why is that? You keep playing up Tehran. Why is it? Why is it the wolf inside the door, the wolf inside the gate you don't pay attention to. You're making your problems our problems. And people in this country don't want your problems. That whole day is over. People don't want it. That's your problem. And you're instigating and causing bigger problems. We got enough problems, okay? We got enough problems. We got a carrier battle group off of Venezuela right now. We got 4,000 Marines in harm's way. We got a country they're still bringing drugs into. We got major, the biggest cities, greatest cities in the world out of control. We got hurtling towards a shutdown of the government that you're either going to get a one year clean cr. Write this down. Take number two, pencil out right now. One year clean CR that would. One year clean CR would be on Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden's budget. I think it's just a continuation. The last cr, a clean CR or from the last one that passed was back in those days or an omnibus that's going to jam you or a short cr, but no cuts. Anything we got. We have enough problems. We don't need your problems. That you're instigating an attack on a country that President Trump has said we're going to defend. I don't know, maybe it kind of makes him look bad on the world stage. A guy you owe everything to. Unbelievable, indescribable, short break. You missed the IRS tax deadline. You think it's just going to go away? Well, think again. 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On We've moved in fact, the president was supposed to have a signing of a proclamation that still hadn't happened. Hey, the reason is I think there's a couple of three things that have kind of taken up the afternoons agenda. Axios is reporting is a Brock David over there or David Brock, fantastic reporter. He's like he is to the Mossad as David Ignatius is to Langley. He's getting when you're reading Axios, you're getting inside baseball from that guy. His his report this afternoon. I don't think I had time put. No, I just put it up on getter. Trump's very upset. Yeah, I can imagine. Very upset. Great question from the engine room. Rescissions about the CRs and everything that's going on. One of the reasons you're having this kind of break right now is that the rescissions have been symbolic. But it shows you how President Trump wants to roll. Not just rescissions, pocket rescissions and impoundments. This is going to be one of the big things President Trump's telling them. No, I am taking out the $14 billion, the 9.4 billion and the 5 for this fiscal year. I think they may toss in a couple more. Any saying hey, any anything's got to I'm doing the rescissions, I'm doing the pocket rescissions and this is going to be, wait for it, constitutional crisis. We're going to have to get up to the Supreme Court and get that one. So that's why I think they ought to cut right to the chase and go to the impoundments. But a great question. All of this is going to be part of it. They haven't shown their cards. I think the three alternatives is a Tom Cole led 90 day short CR that gets you to November so then they can kick the can down the road because of the holidays. A one year CR and I'm almost positive that we're still on Pelosi and Biden's number. Not kidding, because I don't think he can change anything on it or you get an omnibus. Those are great alternatives, aren't they? Those are three lovely alternatives for a crowd that hates, hates crs. You're going to be loving this. You're going to be loving this in the evening of the 30th of September. I think it's on a Tuesday this time. You're going to be loving that. You're going to be excited about that. I don't think so. I'm just trying to give you a heads up. No work's been done on appropriations and they're not really going to do any work on appropriation because they're going to go this way. I say President Trump let him shut the government down. Let's do it this time. You know why? You got essential versus non essential. The Democrats are all jiggy about this. Let's take down the administrative state. This way, if you're essential, come to work and we'll pay for it. If you're not essential, we'll have to rethink it. Let's roll in one fell swoop. Philip's going to be here on Thursday. We changed it around because President Trump was supposed to do the proclamation. I didn't want to get Philip in here and get jammed. Also California, the folks California are going to be here tomorrow. Hopefully got a couple of big special guests lined up already. The video and the photos of the young woman, Ukrainian woman butchered on this train are now coming out and man, it is heart rendering. There's a photo out there when she looks up where she got stabbed at her murderer and it's a public execution. That photographs will be emblazoned in people's minds. I mean, it's incredible. And we're trying to line up some very special guests. Talk about tomorrow morning. Birchgold.com promo code worm into the dollar empire. It's all happening as we said it was going to happen. You need to get ahead of the curve. Today's gold's what's up now. Close to 3, 700. Haven't checked right now. Might have gone through 3,700. May have backed off, who knows, but it's on a roll. It's not the price, it's the process. You need to understand that that's what we attempt to teach you with Birch, Cole, Philip Patrick and the team. Mike Lindell. Another tough, long, tough day for the war room posse. Slogging it through a 30 front war winning on most, being held in check In a couple, maybe losing on a couple of three. They need a special.

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Mike Lindell, we'll see you tomorrow morning. Thank you, sir.

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[Steve Bannon]

Mike nailed a big victory in Michigan. Huge victory for the electors. Need to have it now. Wisconsin, Georgia, Nevada and Arizona Formal states to go.

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[Steve Bannon]

We got to get with those folks, make sure that they don't lose their houses or anything like that. I will deal with that tonight. The world's best ally. I. I don't. I don't want Tom Cotton and Lindsey Graham you're going to tell me that again? You're the world's best. Here's what an ally does. They're a protectorate. They're not an ally. They never fought shoulder to shoulder with us anywhere, okay? They get us into messes like in Iran, where they tried to have regime change and lied about it.

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