Episode 4776: Fight In Indiana; Marching In The Streets Of London

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Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room

Episode 4776: Fight In Indiana; Marching In The Streets Of London
Host: Stephen K. Bannon (WarRoom.org)
Date: September 13, 2025

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Overview

This episode of Bannon's War Room focuses on three converging narratives at a pivotal moment:

1. Fallout and mobilization after the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.
2. Intensifying calls for aggressive action against left-wing organizations and perceived domestic terror threats.
3. Parallel populist uprisings in Indiana and the massive street protests in London, symbolizing global resistance to ruling elites.

Stephen K. Bannon and guests—including Mark Mitchell (Rasmussen), Senator Jim Banks (R-IN), Alex DeGrasse, Raheem Kassam, and Ben Harnwell—discuss the urgent need for action both in governmental institutions and grassroots movements in the US and UK. The tone throughout is combative, urgent, and unflinching, calling for maximalist, not conciliatory, responses.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Response to Charlie Kirk’s Assassination

Timestamps: 00:00–08:31, 31:27–34:07, 48:18–51:56

• Bannon frames the assassination as a galvanizing moment: He claims organized leftist campaigns are fostering domestic terrorism and that Kirk’s death demands an uncompromising clampdown.

  • "They are trying to inspire someone to murder them... And my message to all the domestic terrorists... you want us to live in fear? We will not live in fear. But you will live in exile." (Steve Bannon, 00:00)

• Call for state action and legal tools: Bannon pushes for using RICO, conspiracy, and insurrection laws against groups he labels as fomenting violence.

• Institutional distrust: Reiterated need for a deep purge of federal agencies (FBI, CIA) and suspicion that “the deep state” and establishment Republicans are reluctant to pursue true accountability.

  • "We just have a tenuous grip onto these institutions... Seize the institution, do it maximalist strategy and do it with a sense of urgency." (Stephen K. Bannon, 04:07)

• Polling Data: Mark Mitchell reveals extreme levels of fear and anger in the population post-Kirk’s killing, with 90%+ polled concerned about political violence.

  • "How concerned are you about political violence in America? 68% very concerned. 24% somewhat concerned... 90% are concerned about political violence." (Mark Mitchell, 10:10)
  • Strong demand for decisive action, including the death penalty in high-profile murder cases.

• Critique of “unity” tropes: Bannon rebukes calls for political unity, linking them to appeasement and weakness.

  • "We must have unity now. No, we're not going to have unity... If you ain't with us, you're against us." (Stephen K. Bannon, 06:26)

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2. Indiana’s Congressional Fight & MAGA Mobilization

Timestamps: 20:00–28:51

• Indiana viewed as a national bellwether:
  A push to draw a 9–0 Republican congressional map—a “maximalist” strategy championed as essential for national victory and standing firm against perceived leftist threats.

  • "We have to fight back and we have to fight harder and stronger to save the country. And we're sick and tired of what the Democrats get away with." (Senator Jim Banks, 20:31)

• Grassroots activism: Emphasis on precinct strategy, direct pressure on legislators, and rallying ordinary Hoosiers.

• No compromise mentality:
  "Every day in Washington, they put out this false unity after they've assassinated someone like Charlie Kirk... We're going to use process, we're going to use the full power of the government." (Stephen K. Bannon, 24:48)

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3. Marching in the Streets of London: The UK Populist Surge

Timestamps: 29:37–45:55

• Massive protests in London: Over a million marchers, led by controversial figure Tommy Robinson, are portrayed as a populist revolt against decades of elite contempt and forced multiculturalism.

• Shifting “Overton Window”:
  Ben Harnwell and Raheem Kassam argue the UK's mainstream is embracing formerly "unspeakable" nationalist and anti-immigration positions.

  • "What you are seeing here, Steve, is... the movement of the Overton window here in real time." (Ben Harnwell, 42:28)

• Solidarity with US populists:
  Similarities drawn between British and American resistance to ruling elites, globalist projects, and perceived invasions—each movement emboldening the other.

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4. Institutional Capture & Destabilization

Timestamps: 08:31–14:43, 51:56–53:27

• Deep state critique:
  Lack of action in firing/disciplining agencies is attributed to entrenched opposition, even among Republicans.

  • "Voters don't think that way. They just think the FBI and the CIA are corrupt." (Mark Mitchell, 08:38)

• Financial anxiety: Discussion of France’s credit downgrade is framed as evidence of Western institutional rot—paralleling political instability to financial collapse.

  • "Fitch downgraded France's credit rating... The underlying dynamics... are going to be replicated right across the west." (Ben Harnwell, 51:56)

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5. Calls for Aggressive Action & Lawfare

Timestamps: 31:27–33:35, 48:18–51:56

• RICO and terrorist designations:
  Calls to legally designate left-wing groups (esp. Antifa) as domestic terrorists, investigate their financiers, and weaponize government power.

  • "ANTIFA is a domestic terrorist political organization. We have to name them that. We have to root them out and hold them accountable." (Senator Jim Banks, 32:14)

• Insistence on maximalism, even at the expense of internal divides:
  "We're not going to have a group hug... We're going to rid this nation of this vermin... We're going to designate these people domestic terrorists." (Stephen K. Bannon, 34:07)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On leftist doxing & violence:

  "There is a domestic terrorism movement in this country... Their objective is to inspire someone to murder them."
  —Steve Bannon, [00:00]

• On institutional purge:

  "We just have a tenuous grip onto these institutions. I keep saying seize the institution, do it maximalist strategy..."
  —Stephen K. Bannon, [04:07]

• On Indiana fight:

  "A 9 to 0 map in Indiana makes all the difference... and back up Donald Trump and the America first agenda."
  —Senator Jim Banks, [20:31]

• On American and UK populism:

  "You're getting ordinary people... just a mother of two who never thought they would get involved in politics."
  —Raheem Kassam, [30:54]

  "What you are seeing here, Steve, is nothing else than... the movement of the Overton window here in real time."
  —Ben Harnwell, [42:28]

• On moral clarity and confrontation:

  "This is no time for squishy Republicans. It’s time to fight back harder than ever before."
  —Senator Jim Banks, [32:14]

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Timestamps for Critical Segments

• Domestic Terrorism, Kirk Killing, Institutional Distrust:

  • 00:00–08:31 (Bannon monologue, Mitchell’s polling/perspective)

• Indiana/MAGA Strategy:

  • 20:00–28:51 (Banks, DeGrasse, Kassam on mobilization and redistricting)

• UK Protest Analysis, Global Populism:

  • 29:37–45:55 (Kassam, Harnwell on London marches and shifting norms)

• Calls for Lawfare and Confrontation:

  • 31:27–34:07, 48:18–51:56 (Bannon, Banks, Harnwell wrap-up)

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Closing Reflections

Bannon and his guests urge listeners to take up “agency” and pursue “maximalist” strategies to defend what they see as the besieged American experiment—and find resonance in parallel movements in Europe, framed as a global populist uprising. There is repeated insistence that half-measures or compromise equate to defeat, and that the moment demands bold, even radical, action both legally and culturally.

“You see what’s happening in Indiana, in the streets of London today. This is resistance to take your countries back and return them to their former greatness... If we allow the good and decent men to be eradicated and forgotten, then we’ve lost. But we ain’t doing that.”
—Stephen K. Bannon, [53:39]

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Further Action

• Mark Mitchell: Polling and commentary at @HonestPollster, Rasmussen underscore poll (Twitter/YouTube)
• Ben Harnwell: Updates and analysis on GETTR (@Harnwell)
• Continued mobilization in Indiana and UK, focus on law enforcement response, institutional accountability, and drawing battle lines for the next phase of the political conflict.
• Next episode preview: More on the Kirk assassination investigation, Indiana redistricting fight, UK populist marches, and institutional crisis in the West.

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Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

The equivalent of madrasas for jihadism. There is a domestic terrorism movement in this country. When you see these organized, doxing campaigns where the left calls people enemies of the republic, calls them fascists, says they're Nazis, says they're evil, says they have to be removed, and then prints their addresses, what do you think they're trying to do? They are trying to inspire someone to murder them. That is their objective. That is their intent. And when you see online, Sean, as we've seen for the last few days, tape after tape after tape of federal workers, bureaucrats, staffers in the Pentagon, educators, professors, health care workers, nurses celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk, these are radicalized people. There is a domestic terrorism movement in this country. And let me tell you something I'd not share with anybody. But the last message that Charlie Kirk gave to me before he joined his creator in heaven was he said that we have to dismantle and take on the radical left organizations in this country that are fomenting violence. That was the last message that he sent me before that assassin stole him from all of us. And we are going to do that under President Trump's leadership. I don't care how. It could be a RICO charge, a conspiracy charge, conspiracy against the United States insurrection, but we are going to do what it takes to dismantle the organizations and the entities that are fomenting riots, that are doxxing, that are trying to inspire terrorism and that are committing acts of wanton violence. It has to stop. And my message is to all of the domestic terrorists in this country spreading this evil hate. You want us to live in fear? We will not live in fear. But you will live in exile. Because the power of law enforcement under President Trump's leadership will be used to find you, will be used to take away your money, take away your power, and if you've broken the law, to take away your freedom. Sean.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. You're just not going to free shot.

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All these networks, lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but.

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You'Re not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Steve Bannon]

And where do people like that go.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

To share the big lie? MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen k. Banner. Saturday, the 13th of September, year of our Lord 2025. This is all about action and using your agency to take this apart and to save our country. We're going to have if I can play split screen, I want to continue with the rally of at least the March of Tommy Robinson so people can see this kind of global uprising. And I'm going to try to get Harnwell in Rome. We're going to go to Indiana. Missouri voted yesterday just for some news to redistrict. So we picked up another seat in Missouri. They're in Indiana. Raheem Kassam and the great Alex degrasse are there in a rally to make sure that we get the seat in Indiana. We're going to go there live in a little while. Later in this hour, Mark Mitchell. And there's still so many questions and that's why I wanted to play it. You made there's still that we don't know if we cleanse. We haven't, you know, half the FBI has not been fired. Half the CIA has not been fired. We, we just have a tenuous grip onto these institutions. And I keep saying seize the institution, do it maximalist strategy and do it with a sense of urgency. And I think we're seeing it full even as a guy, as good a guy as Cash and Dan Bongino. Dan Bongino, which are as good as you can get, have a tenuous grip on this. And I think Michael Savage is right about the White House in this regard. There are many people in the White House around President Trump that do not want President Trump to do this. And they want to thwart everybody that wants to do it. You know, Seb Gorka, Dr. Seb Gorka, another close friend, a guy that, you know, worked with us at Breitboard for years as one of the editors and an incredible guy and head of counterterrorism as the as the Arizona engine room informs me. You know, he said day one was gonna be accountability day on domestic terrorism. Well, we haven't done it and we haven't gotten there. And we need to do it. We need to do it with a sense of this is why I gave the Tampa resolves. I called them in July, 60 days ago about you got to take on this apparatus and you have to particularly take on the deep state partners and the financing of it and that anybody that wasn't with us in this there you see right there, London, look at that. It's Over a million people, folks on a beautiful Saturday, standing up. And that's why England's hurtling towards a resolution, let's call it a resolution of folks right there that says we're not going to let England become a Islamic republic. Right? So, Mark Mitchell, talk first about. We have not purged these institutions and people out there, you know, because you test all the time, have real concerns about these institutions and what are they actually doing, and it's personified right now. Why is there not a brief and not from that. Not from that goofy governor and who in the White House. We need to have an answer. Who in the White House thought it was appropriate? Because it had to come from them. Who in the White House. Did people in the White House inform the President, United States, that one of his greatest haters, this goofball girly man, weak governor of Utah, was going to sit there and do the entire briefing on the murder of Charlie Kirk and essentially gave us almost no facts and just preached this unity he wants to do with the. With the aggressively LGBTQ governor of one of the most dangerous and dark and twisted people in this country, the governor of Colorado, the one that has, I might add, Tina Peters in fricking prison. That guy that Cox is going to. Did anybody in the White House inform the President of the United States of what Cox has said about the President states, what Cox has said about the MAGA movement, what Cox has said about. As he plays footsies with. With polis, to have this new movement. We're all just now, once they assassinate somebody, once they do something, they realize the heat's on. Then it's all, we have to have unity. And you got the Katie Brits and the. In the. In the clowns and the rhino, all the RINOs that are sitting there. We must have unity now. No, we're not going to have unity. You see what's happening in England. You look, you think that's the unity. We're going to have victory. You have unity, you go hug them and you do kumbaya with them, then you're part of the problem. This is why I said in Tampa, I was very clear. If you ain't with us, you're against us. And I don't care if you're a Republican. I don't care if you're conservative. I don't care if you're a preacher. I don't care who you are or what you do. You're either with us to victory or you're not. This is not bridgeable. Mitchell's going to show you this on Monday with math. This is not bridgeable. One side's going to win and one side's going to lose and it hangs in the balance. Victory is not assured. I can assure you of victory. If we don't stop, if you don't stop and maximize, we will win. If you flinch or it's just too hard or it's too uncomfortable, or they're going to kick me out of the country club or they're going to say bad things of me at the Rotary Club, then guess what, you're going to lose. But we're going to win. Mark Mitchell. First, the institutions. I want to go the numbers. The institutions first. Is there. Have we done enough to purge these institutions, sir?

[Mark Mitchell]

No. Institutional trust is still in the gutter. Welcome to the process phase of the fourth turning. We're, we're screeching towards a brick wall at 100 miles an hour and something's got to give. And they've come in and I can understand why if you get put in charge of one of these federal agencies that you want to put lipstick on a pig and you have happy talk about how it's a new day now. Voters don't think that way. They just think the FBI and the CIA are corrupt. They just assume that the IRS is still going to step on their throats. And so for Trump to come in there, there has not been enough change. And let's also acknowledge that if Democrats were in the position that Republicans were in right now, especially with the political capital that Trump has and this crisis, that they would force some kind of, you know, completely world changing legislation down the throats of America. They would nationalize industries. They would like the kind of the stuff that Obama did. Right. And we're not seeing that out of Republicans at all. In fact, it looks like Chuck Schumer is gearing up the same Lucy and Charlie Brown football thing with this debt ceiling showdown. So now I'm getting angry tweets from people in MAGA who tell me they're done. They hate the response here. They want more. They want strong, decisive action. And these things matter because the world's watching. Like, look at the Michael Savage thing. That, that's excellent. That's going to be all over Twitter now. And they might not see that stuff in the White House, but it's unfortunately a reality because look at all of the questions about Epstein. That permanently took some wind out of Donald Trump sales. His approval rating still negative 3 right now. So, so I want to run through some polling because I think it Proves that America is going to have resolve now and this whole thing has not played out yet. We've only have two nights of post Charlie Kirk polling, but right direction is plunging. It's down three points just in two out of five days, down six points among Republicans and independents. Now. Donald Trump's approval rating has not changed, but this is people looking around in America and saying, what the hell is happening here? I don't understand. This is a wake up call and people are going to be glomming on to new opinions now. We also have a lot of fear and anger. I have one out of three nights on Charlie Kirk polling, and I can tell where it's going to end up. How concerned are you about political violence in America? 68% very concerned. 24% somewhat concerned. These numbers might change a little bit, but the number is going to be over. 90% are concerned about political violence. That's as high as any of these questions ever get. Recently, a gunman in Utah shot and killed conservative activist Charlie Kirk. How likely is that there will be more political violence in the next few months? 51 very likely. 34 somewhat likely. So that's 85%. Pretty much everybody. Everybody thinks by the number one reason that this happened is because of heated political rhetoric, not access to firearms or mental illness. And then Finally, I have 83% of America agreeing with a Trump quote. It's long past time for all Americans and the media to confront the fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree day after day, year after year, in the most hateful and despicable way possible. So, no, the entire world, the entire Democrat population, does not hate Charlie Kirk and want him dead. That's just the loonies that we're seeing online. America is trying to get a resolution here, and everybody on Twitter is spitballing about ways that it could possibly happen to deaf ears. Stephen Miller is part of the administration and he's out there calling for action. I think Americans want you to take action, man. Why haven't we Talked about Section 230? Why isn't there a discussion about Smith Munt? Why? Why are the FTC and the FCC silent? Why are people like Hasan Piker out there on Twitch, a platform owned by Amazon with very overt calls for more killings? Not a single thing has happened at all. And he's radicalizing young people. You want to talk about somebody radicalizing young people? Now, before this Charlie Kirk assassination, we hit another thing that was really, really important because it was changing the discourse in America. And that's this gruesome murder of this beautiful young woman, Irina Zarutska, in Charlotte, which woke America up. That was changing numbers, too. And we haven't, I think, forgotten or seen the last of that because that's launched essentially a new White Lives Matter movement in America. And we put a SNAP poll into the field, and there's a lot in here, but there's one number I think that just stands out. We've been polling on capital punishment. And Steve, you know, if you ask a human, well, whether they believe in executing a criminal or not, their answer tells you something deep about their emotions, their psyche, what they're going through, their religion. It's a very deeply held, fundamental belief. And back the last time we pulled it, only 49% of America supported the death penalty, 36% opposed. So that's +13. Well, this one. Federal charges have been filed against Decarlos Brown that could result in the death penalty. If Decarlos Brown is convicted of killing Arena Zaruska, should he get the death penalty? And it's yes, 60, 20. So that's plus 40 or 27 point shift. So people are craving this guy's execution three to one. And including with Democrats, it's plus 20. With Republicans is plus 69. With independents, it's plus 40. And among people who say they've seen a photo or video of her and her killer on the train, death penalty, 73 to 14%. So now, images and symbols are very important, as you know. And that picture of her is a very important and profound one, I think as well. With Charlie Kirk, we're going to see similar reaction. And these numbers might get worse. But America is craving rationality, sanity, and a fix to the clown world that's been forced upon us by, as you and I both know, $100 trillion establishment. The amount of resolve the establishment has to maintain the status quo must be so oppressive for the White House. But America is screaming for fixes.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah, Mark, we got a bounce. Where do people go? We got 20 seconds. Where do people go to get you over the weekend? We'll have you back Monday.

[Mark Mitchell]

Yeah, I'll probably be tweeting all weekend at Honest Pollster on Twitter. Our main accounts at Rasmussen Underscore Poll. We put out a lot of good video content this week as well. At Rasmussen Underscore poll. Yeah, on YouTube.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We're going to push it hard all week and see you Monday. Mark Mitchell.

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Sign up for free and be part of the movement. So I'm putting my stuff up on Getter exclusively all weekend. There'll be a lot going on, of course. Mark Mitchell and the team will be back on on on Monday for a week like no other. It's going to be quite intense working over the weekend to on the domestic terrorism, particularly antifa. But other. So just assume right now there's a lot going on behind the scenes. I think some that should have been done earlier, to be blunt, who haven't taken this seriously enough. And there's some in the White House. They're intimidated and they're afraid. To be brutally frank about it now, you need courage. You need the courage of Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk went in and this was that. The one at Utah was kicking off his whole season of going into these lions dens. And they are because the colleges are absolutely so corrupt and such propaganda. And I keep saying purge the faculties. The anti Semitism is part of it, but only part of it. And that is getting beat. And that's why people are losing. They think, well, it's just anti Semitism. It's deeper than that. These people hate America deeply to the core. Okay, let's go. We got a lot to go through and we're gonna get to. I want to go to Indiana. When I say maximize, we need to maximize. We got Alex degrasse. Alex got good news out of Missouri, although I still want that other seat now. Pass. You're in Indiana. Are we gonna get is Indiana. Are we gonna step up and do what 9 nothing in Indiana. Just like they've done in. Just like they've done in New England, sir.

[Senator Jim Banks]

Did you hear that, Steve?

[Alex DeGrasse]

We're absolutely pushing for nine zero and that is the whole ball game. And we've got Senator Jim Banks here, the posse here. We've got hundreds of posse members here. Steve, it's unbelievable. I wish you could maybe see the crowd. But Senator Banks, why don't you want to give your take on nine what the fight ahead, what that means for the country. That's the key. This is about the country. It's not just about Indiana. We have to be thinking about the country. President Trump's presidency, it's all on the line. So Senator Jim Banks, Hoosiers understand we.

[Senator Jim Banks]

Have to fight back and we have to fight harder and stronger to save the country. And we're sick and tired of what, what the Democrats get away with. Right. And that's why a 9 to 0 map in Indiana makes, makes all the difference. If it can save the majority and save this country and back up Donald Trump and the America first agenda, then we, we should go back into a special session and draw these maps through the regular process.

[Alex DeGrasse]

Fair legal process.

[Senator Jim Banks]

It's a legal process.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Got you. Let me. You're known in D.C. as a safe pair of hands, as a, as a guy who's relentless. But you know, you don't go off half cocked given where the country is and particularly after this. Charlie Kirk, I'd like to just have your opinions and ideas why we have to maximize, why we have to go to nine zero, but also your sense of things. Because I think people look to places like Indiana as kind of the heartland of this country, the heart of this country. Are people fed up? I mean, give me your perspective. Because you're known as somebody that's relentless in steely and resolve, but not a fire breather. Where are you right now in all of this, Steve?

[Senator Jim Banks]

When I ran for the Senate last year, Hoosiers elected me to go to Washington to fight. Not to back down, not to be soft, but to fight for our country. And that's what Hoosiers are looking for. Today we're hosting this first Hoosier Leadership for America summit in Noblesville, Indiana. We're talking about how Indiana is a barn red state. We're a pro Trump state, but we still have way too many never Trumpers and soft Republicans that want the party to go backwards to the old school party. And at least the hundreds of Hoosiers who are in the room with us today will never let that happen again. And what happened to our friend Charlie Kirk this week, the worst thing that can happen is for us to feel like we have been silenced or to back down or back off. We, we've talked about this already today. We are not backing down. We're just getting started. And Indiana is going to lead the way in the fight in a, in a bigger way than what we have before.

[Alex DeGrasse]

Absolutely. And Steve, I think one of the beautiful things here is, is the, just from talking to everyone, Steve, is just the precinct strategy it's right here in Indiana. The conversations I've had, all of you, hundreds of people that have come up me and said, hey, look, I locked in 20, 21, the dark days. I got involved. We grind it out. And just the internal fight. I've been learning here about how MAGA in the state is sort of taking over and we've got to kind of finish the fight. And how Senator Jim Banks is obviously at the forefront of that. It's so critical. But, Raheem, what would you have to say about Charlie Path Forward?

[Raheem Kassam]

Yeah, look, I. Firstly, I want everyone in this room to make sure that Steve Bannon and the war room posse around, not just in. Around the country, but around the world, can hear you. Can we give it up for Steve Bannon in the war room? Do you hear the people sing? Right? This is a time to not back down. If ever there are a time, right? We need maximalism. We need to lean in harder and stronger and show them that we will not be cowed, that we will not be afraid, and that we will take up more space than we've ever taken up before. I want them to name the new White House ballroom, the Charlie J. Kirk Ballroom. Who's with me? Fight, fight, fight, indeed. Fight, fight, fight, indeed.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We got.

[Alex DeGrasse]

We got some hardcore out here, Steve, that's for sure.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, that's, by the way, the hardcore. The hardcores in Indiana, the MAGA movement and the posse out there. This is what's saving the country. Ask Senator Banks. Every. Every day in Washington, they want you to compromise. Every day in Washington, they put out this false unity after they've assassinated someone like Charlie Kirk. It's the people that stand in the breach. It's the guys like Jim Banks. We need to have their back. They stand in the breach every day, and we need to. And they're the best guys. Look at Banks. Look at Charlie Kirk. These are great people. These are good and decent men. And that's what this fight is about. Now, if we back off now, if we flinch, if we don't take this to its ultimate. And this is why in Indiana, you know, it's going to be tough. And they go, Senator Banks, they're going to call you guys every name of the book. But you got to go 9090 sends a signal. It sends a message from the heartland of this country. We're not going to tolerate this stuff anymore, that we're going to do it. We're going to use process. We're going to use the full power of the government. This is why? Can you just tell us one more time, how are you going to get to nine? Oh, because I think this is very. This is very symbolic coming from the Hoosiers, Steve.

[Senator Jim Banks]

We have a MAGA governor and Governor Mike Braun. We have the. We have the chairwoman of the Indiana Republican Party, Lana Keisling, who is in the room with us today, who's aligned with us. We have several state legislators, state senators and state representatives who have shown up today, and we're going to hear from them on a panel about how we get to a 9 to 0 map. But it's going to take. Steve, you know this better than anybody. It's going to take regular, hardworking Hoosiers to rise up and say a 9 to 0 map is what we expect our legislators to pass. It takes a grassroots movement. And that's what we're building today.

[Alex DeGrasse]

Exactly. The pressure from the posse. There's Alex, stronger movement in this country. And Steve always says it. Then the grassroots, then the posse, then the activists. You put your shoulder to the wheel, you can accomplish anything. I mean, you know, we did this in 2022. We talked about on the show, if you guys were watching and we were out there hammering Florida, I mean, all these states doing the best we could, it really made a difference when state representatives hear from the people in a peaceful, calm, educate. You know, we want to be. We want to be educational, we want to be positive, we want to incentivize, we want to encourage people to do the right thing. That's the key. It has to happen here. We need to get this done. This is a big part of why we're here, and the implication is huge for the country. Can't stress that enough.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Alex, just walk us through, Just walk the audience through. How technically do we do this? How is this going to happen and what's the timeframe? Because, you know, the, the primaries in the midterms are going to be upon us before we know it. So how do we get. We're in the middle of September right now. How does this happen?

[Alex DeGrasse]

Well, I think, of course, we need, obviously the governor, who's great, of course we need him to call the special session. When that happens, from talking to people, people think, hey, they'll come in line. I don't think we should wait. We need to engage and have those conversations because what's next will be a special session and we can't put anything to chance because this is a nationwide effort. This is a nationwide effort, and it's been. And President Trump has called for this. So this is what President Trump, our great president, has called on us to do. And what's happening in other states is we're moving maybe a couple steps forward, maybe one step back. We need maximalist. We need the full. We don't want an eight one. And that's been discussed. We want nine. Oh, okay. We want. And that's not gerrymandering.

[Mark Mitchell]

Look at the map.

[Alex DeGrasse]

We'll have examples. It's totally clean.

[Mark Mitchell]

It looks legit.

[Alex DeGrasse]

There's zero reason why anyone wouldn't do that. Okay, so we look at Missouri, we look at these other states that are moving forward. It's going to be a special session that going to go to the legislator. And what we need the posse to do is talk to your state representative, make sure they hear from you, and also get everyone else as well. So get back to the community, get back to your town, your town committees, county level, educate people, have a conversation, take the information you learned here and get on the phones, get out there, talk to them if you know them. Do whatever we can to stress the importance for the country.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Alex, what I want to do is make sure that we get. You have an open platform with the war room, that the head of the Republican Party is there, that she knows, and local grassroots activists. We want to have people from Indiana on the show in the run up to this. We want to make sure the voice of the Hoosiers is heard nationwide. So make sure that everybody. It's an open invitation. You guys have a platform. I have two more questions, one for Raheem and one for Senator Banks. Raheem, we're showing all day this massive turnout, over a million people in the streets of London. Can you put in perspective what's going on there? I know you're very close to Nigel Farage. You were one of the key architects of Brexit. Walk us through. A million people today carrying the flags of what, St. George and the flags of the. The Union Jack in the streets of London. What does that tell us?

[Raheem Kassam]

Yeah, Steve, it's. It's a monumental day because don't forget for, you know, over a. Well over a decade now, we've been told that those flags flying in London are racist flags, that they are nativist flags, that they somehow do not represent the United Kingdom, they do not represent ordinary Britons, and that you may not fly them from your homes. This goes back to the labor era, the Labour Party era, back in 1997 through to 2010, when they had government ministers making fun of people who would fly the Cross of St. George from their homes, bigotry towards ordinary working class people. And you can see with your very own eyes that now those people have had a skin full of it. They are done sitting at home. They are done being defense. They are out there on offense. They are taking up space. And listen to me, I was there last week and I'll talk about this a little bit later today to the audience in the room. I was at the Reform Party conference last week and I cannot tell you how engaged these people now are, how enthused they are. You're getting ordinary people. I met people outside in the smoking areas, sorry about that. Talking to me about how they're just a mother of two who never thought they would get involved in politics. And in Britain it is so much more tamped down on than it is here.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Right.

[Raheem Kassam]

It's just not the done thing to get involved in your community like that. Government's there to take care of it all for you. That's what they tell people. These people are in open defiance of that, like you. They want their country back. And you can see, I think there's over a million people marching on the streets of London today. I mean, for a country with 65 million people, that is a massive, massive turnout that is going to put the fear of God into the political establishment.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's amazing. And we'll be covering that, obviously. More, more on more on Monday on the war room along with Indiana Senator Banks. Last question before we bounce. Stephen Miller was on Hannity last night. Talk about domestic terrorists. What has to happen? You know the designation rico. Looking at the financing, we've been pushing for Antifa to be designated a domestic terrorist group. Can you give us a sense of are your colleagues, because some of your colleagues already said, hey, we have to have unity. We ought to be doing a group hug with Democrats. Can you give us a sense? Because we've got to get to the root of this. We cannot flinch and cannot back off of this moment. On the assassination and martyrdom of Charlie Kirk, you give us a sense of your colleagues, of what's going to happen here, particularly in the Senate. Yeah.

[Senator Jim Banks]

ANTIFA is a domestic terrorist political organization. We have to name them that. We have to root them out and hold them accountable. And we can't let Charlie's death back us off. It's not time. This is no time to be squishy, to be nice. This is no time for squishy Republicans. It's time to fight back harder than ever before. And Steve, when I got to the, when I got to the Senate I underestimated this. We've seen the House change significantly over eight years. When I got elected to Congress, when Paul Ryan was the speaker. Now there's no Paul Ryan. We have stronger Republican fighters in the House. The Senate has changed much more slowly, and I underestimated that. The number of squishy Republican senators that we have in the Senate. And we need to. We have elections ahead of us next November to replace squishy Republicans with strong Republican fighters in the Senate. We're going to do that. But when we get back on, when we get back to Washington on Monday, we have to dig into, as Stephen Miller and others have called us to do, to root out these political terrorist organizations on the left and hold them accountable. We have a moral duty to do it.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Senator Banks, thank you. I know you guys are busy today. Alex thanks you for setting this up. Raheem, and particularly all the Hoosiers, all the fighters that were in posse. The nation is depending upon you. They're looking to you for leadership, the grassroots for leadership. They're looking to you right now of what we're going to do to save this country. So honored to be on there today. And you guys have a great conference. Sorry we can't be out there.

[Alex DeGrasse]

Thank you, Steve. Thank you. They love you, Steve. Lots of hundreds of people here.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Fantastic. Love you guys, too. Incredible. This is what's going to take. Look at that crowd right there in London. Millions now, Tommy Robinson from the stage. Incredible speeches. This goes on and on and on. And you got to remember, the Brits are not like this. And they've been more suppressed than you have over there. It's terrible. They're arresting people right now. You say something about transgender, they come into your house, kick down your door, and arrest you. That's heroism. That's heroism right there. Those are heroes in the streets of London. Those are heroes that are on the stage with Tommy Robinson. Look at that right there. It shows you. We can't go back. We're not going to go back. Look at a beautiful Saturday in September with college football and everything that people love to do. Look at that. You have 500 people taking all day in a conference to do what? To find out how they add a couple of seats to. To Congress legitimately. This is the fight. It has to, and it has to be more than this. The power of our movement. We're not burning down cities because we know to burn down cities is to throw a temper tantrum. We want real change. And, folks, we're going to have to have some tough Conversations. We're going to have to have tough conversations with people that are on our side to say no. We're not going to blink. We're not going to have a group hug. We're not going to have a barbecue with Democrats. We're not going to do that. We're going to rid this nation of this vermin. We're going to designate these people domestic terrorists. We're going to investigate. We're going to get all the financiers. Just not. Just not the grundoons that are in the street or burning down Portland or. Or. Or. Or maybe the trigger man in Utah. I still don't know because they didn't catch anybody. The father turned him in. Michael Savage got some great points. My team. We've gone through the video. Nothing makes sense. Make it make sense to us. We're open. We want to see it. Look at that right there. Is that powerful? Folks, just embrace it. Is incredible. They've got a cross with a inscription in memory of Charlie Kirk. Some really great and powerful inscription. Just amazing. Do we have Jackie Torberov? Is Jackie up? No, not. Okay. We're going to do Monday. She's got Jackie Torpor. I want to Grace and Moe, if you can push out. She's got an incredible piece on substack right now. We got to get to the bottom and we got to go through with a blowtorch and hit this. These schools are now it's officially out of control. We've had the Parents Rights movement. We've had. And we've tried to play patty cake with these people. You see, you know, so many of them mocking Charlie Kirk. Mocking what Charlie Kirk stood for. They have their hands on your children. We have terrorists. We have domestic terrorists that are in. And this is child abuse. Instead of calling child protective Services, we're going to take care of it ourselves. We're going to get these people out of these schools and we're going to hold accountable people that protect them. The whole. What the Marxists have done that people that hate American. Look at this right here. Is this amazing? Look at those flags. There's Charlie's. Look at Charlie's photo. They all knew who Charlie Kirk was. Do what? Yeah, let them. I. I want this. We should have had that before. I can talk over it. Look at that. Look at that. Charlie Kirk. That's in London. Millions of people knew who he was. Incredible. How many young men throughout the world. I mean, that's incredible. Look at those flags right there. Look at the pride of that. Look at the Pride of those folks. Just like in Indiana coming. You know why? Because we're not going to lose this. We're not. If you. And look, this is not for everybody. You know, I said yesterday, there's in Ecclesiastes, it tells us there's a time and a season for everything. And I said there's time for the assisting the widow and the orphans and Charlie's children and the widow. And look at Erica Kirk. Did she not come out with the most powerful throw down? Like I said, the next man up is a woman. She stepped in to Charlie's leadership shoes seamlessly. Seamlessly. That's what it's going to take. It's going to be a lot of next men up. They're going to try to take out other people, they try to take out Trump, assassinate Trump. All of us have security because we always have threats all the time. It just is what it is. If you're going to flinch, if you're going to whine about it, they're going to win. We're not going to whine about it. We're going to do it, but we're going to hold people accountable. When I say domestic terrorists, we got to design domestic terrorists and use the laws to go after them, including the financiers, including the sources, the Arabellas, the actblues. President Trump signed an executive order back in the spring on ActBlue. Where do we stand? We need urgency, we need action. Where? I hear there's 100 subpoenas held up at the FBI that haven't been executed. Why have we not gotten bodies in there? Do we have to get Senate approval for that? Let's go on recess next week. Let's call a recess and let President Trump do recess appointments. Why are we not doing that? On every different aspect of this? We have to take action, action, action. This is why in Tampa, I did the Tampa resolves at Charlie Kirk's. I think it was the last speaker, next to last, but I think Tulsi was after me to kind of sum up the third day. And I walked Charlie through, I said, hey, look, I'm going to take this in a slightly different direction from other stuff that's going on and maybe people. And I think about that we have to resolve to take down the deep state and what they, and what they're. They're doing a color revolution. Dave Bratt tells you about that all the time. Ben Harwell, all the time. In fact, we have Harnwell. 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[Ben Harnwell]

Well, look at those photos, Steve. Look at the feed as we're watching it now. Look at how regular and ordinary these people are. There are no skin headed thugs here. The reason I'm saying that is because 10, 15 years ago, if you didn't mention the name Tommy Robinson, that's exactly the image that would come to your mind. You couldn't even mention his name in polite society because of the social disapproval that you would expect to come down on you. He was beyond the pale, right? Look at this feed. Look how regular these People are. What you are seeing here, Steve, is nothing else than, you know, it's a term that's used all the time on the Warren. But this is the movement of the Overton window here in real time. We're looking at this in real time. And I want to make that point. Okay? What you couldn't mention his name in polite society 15 years ago. You now have up to a million people who are there marching quite comfortably, quite proudly, without aggression, without violence. That is an indication of how much the UK has changed in the last generation. You could not have predicted this when, well, Steve Bannon could have predicted it 15 years ago and did. But most regular commentators would not have believed this. Right, so what's happening? What is happening here in the UK it's, as Raheem has said before, this is the ordinary people of the country coming out to say that they will not tolerate the open contempt and hatred of their political elites in, in their face anymore. And they're showing that in their numbers. And it's incredible, as you say, you can see the flags that are being sort of carried there. And it's absolutely true what Raheem was saying. Twenty years ago, you wouldn't have been able to do that because of the social disapproval that would have come down on you. This is what has happened to the country. And it's not that the country has suddenly embraced opinions or ideas that would have been unfathomable 15 years ago spontaneously. It's because they've seen how badly their elites, the grown ups in the room, have ruined the country in their lifetimes over the last 20 years. And they're not going to accept it anymore. And they're saying to themselves, if all, if the UNI Party, doesn't matter which party it is, if it's a Tories or Labour Party, are going to continue to, to ruin this country. They're going to continue to let the boats arrive, we'll get performative platitudes, but the reality won't change. Well, then I'm going to look for myself. I don't need the state to tell me who I'm allowed to. I will look for myself for alternatives. And that's what people are doing. You know, you can't take a country like Great Britain with 1000 years worth of growing democracy, a tradition of liberalism, and imprison people, sentence them to prison for 30 months for sending out a tweet against migrant centers, and expect people to placidly lie down and accept it, can't do it. And this is the reaction, Steve.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Ben Harnwell. Just hang with me. William. Look at that. It's a sea of humanity. And Ben Hartwell is so correct. A decade ago you couldn't mention Tommy Robinson's name. You would be banned. Look at that. That's political power right there. That are people after Brexit are sitting there going, hey, we're fed up with it. We're going to take our country back, just like here in the United States of America. We're going to take a short commercial break. We're going to return in the war room to wrap up and to give us focus for this weekend and what's going to happen Monday and next week. It's time now to use our agency. We'll talk about that after a short commercial break.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Right there. How powerful is that uniting our movements? Charlie Kirk. So for next week, we're going to have over the weekend we're going to have work on many fronts, but two that we have to drive. Number one, we have to have law enforcement come through. Mark Mitchell is right. We have no confidence in any of the institutions, even with President Trump, even ourselves in charge. You don't know because the deep state's so deep and controls runs the deal. We need to have the facts put forward. You need all those videos and they got to connect the dots. We gotta see it. The kid dropped off. He jumped off. There was no gun. They're saying it's in his backpack and then they redid it and put it in the woods. It just, it's strange credulity. Strange credulity. Get the shot off. I got some people telling me, well, it's not that horror shot. Okay, I'm not, I got Navy SEALs that tell me differently. But we'll go through that on Monday also. But also Discord, the Discord company's got to come forward. Discord said flat out it didn't have, they didn't have these chats. We can't find them. Maybe they're lying. I want to know that. We ought to have a timeline. We ought to have all of it. We got to get to the bottom of who, who pulled the trigger and assassinated Charlie Kirk. But then we gotta get deeper in that. Who organized it, who financed it, who's involved with it, all of it. We're not gonna have another grassy knoll. We're not going to have Charlie's assassination deteriorate into something with Kennedy. What, I don't know, 80 years later, 75 years later, we're still, we're still debating what happened there. We're not going to knock. We owe Charlie Kirk too much to allow that to happen. We owe Charlie Kirk's children, Charlie Kirk's children, the little three year old girl and the little one year old boy. We owe them to make sure that they know the facts of who murdered their father in cold blood. We owe that to them. And I don't want to hear any more cocks. I don't want to hear any more clown from Utah, a clown and a Trump hater. I don't need to hear his voice ever again. And particularly talking about this. We need people, we need the institution to step up. And you know, we're still out here in Utah and I just don't know what law enforcement is doing. I don't know why they're not coming forward and actually talking about the, that fact. Facts also on, on the action to clean up and either put these people, it's very simple, either put these people in prison or cow them so they agree, right. And just go around harmlessly, which I don't know is going to happen, or three, get them out of the country. Either put them in prison or get them out of the country. Force them out of the country. That's the options. It's either us or them. And they're going to burn down stuff and they're going to assassinate people and they're going to kill. We're not doing that. But we're going to use the full power of the government and we're going to force people in the government to take action whether they want to or not, because 80% of them. Has there been action to date when we were promised this? Why do you think? Why do you think I took my time at Turning Point? When you go main stage in Turning Point, the way Charlie had positioned it, every person, Tucker, Megyn Kelly, everybody, you understand that that time you're up there, you get 15 or 20 min, right? Why did I choose what I call the Tampa resolves? I'll play that over the weekend or maybe on Monday to talk about going after the deep state that if we didn't do it everything else we were doing better. Sovereignty was going to be for naught. Ben Harnwell, we got about a minute. I want to make sure you're going up on particularly what's happening in the United Kingdom. We're going to try to get Tommy on on Monday on the show. Give me a minute of your summary of where people go because your feed is on fire, brother.

[Ben Harnwell]

Get us Steve is my social media platform of choice is only on getter that I put out my original comments every day. Just tap in my surname Harnwell and there you'll top of my feed. You've got some pretty good posts waiting for your attention. Look, so one minute, I'll say this. The three big events of this week, then obviously the slaying of Charlie Kirk, that's obviously the dominant thing. You can see he's already become an icon now of resistance in the United Kingdom. That's the first thing. The second thing is this protest here today in London and right across Europe that have been taking place against the invasion. Steve, the third most important thing this week doesn't have the media value to it of a million person march, but it's extremely important for where we're going. And that's the fact that Fitch downgraded France's credit rating from AA to A plus because in their words, France lacked a clear horizon for debt stabilization in subsequent years. That is, I'm not going to say that is going to be a spark of contagion, but the underlying dynamics of that downgrade are going to be replicated right across the west and that is going to fundamentally change the way our governments. Exactly.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

So yeah, you're 1,000%. I know the government got turfed out because of too much debt and we're going to discuss that as we get back into things next week. Ben, where do people Go. I want to make sure people go together and get your. Your. Your searing analysis of events.

[Ben Harnwell]

Thanks Steve. Thanks. It's get to simply tap in my surname Hahn. Well and there you have my. My posts awaiting for your attention. Thanks Steve. God bless. Have a great weekend.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Thank you. What Ben's talking about right there is why you need to understand what Birchgold is has been birch gold in the war and been trying to teach you go to the end of the dollar empire. The government of France fell. We're heading towards a cr. It's going to happen. We'll talk about that next week of what it means but you need to understand now more than ever. Capital markets, debt, deficit. It's all there in our seven free installments. It's taught in colleges now. Birchgold.com, promo code war room. Excuse me. Promo code Bannon. Promo code Bannon. You can get it and get to Philip Patrick and team. Also Jim Rickards. Rickardswarroom.com, strategic intelligence. He's got predictive analytics. This is why CEOs and chairman read it. You should too. He throws in a free book. Moneygpt. Rickards was on Friday. We're getting him back on earlier the week. We're packed all four hours every day. Next week. It's going to be incredible and we need you as part of it. You see what's happening in Indiana in the streets of London today. This is resistance to take your countries back and return them to their former greatness. We leave you with. Can we put Charlie Kirk's. Can we get Charlie Kirk's that In memoriam. A good and decent man murdered in cold blood. Murdered in cold blood. What are we going to do about it? We're going to do a lot about it and you're going to do it with us. So get ready to strap it on. Lace them high and lace them tight. I'll be up on getter all weekend. We'll be back here at 10am Monday morning. We're already packed. At the end of our show we will toss to the Charlie Kirk show as ever with the turning point power of turning point. The power power of Charlie Kirk. The power of a good indecent man. If we allow the good and decent men to be eradicated and forgotten, then we've lost. But we ain't doing that. From the streets of London to a conference room in Indiana. It's been a Saturday in the war room.

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