Episode 4779: The Formation Of Hate On The Left

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room

Episode 4779 – The Formation Of Hate On The Left

Date: September 15, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon

Overview of Main Theme

This episode centers on the recent assassination of conservative figure Charlie Kirk and the larger narrative that it exemplifies a growing radicalization and "hatred from the left." The panel—featuring law enforcement, conservative commentators, and activists—dissects the investigation’s progress, implicates public institutions, education, and mental health initiatives, and argues for a broader inquiry into leftist and trans extremist violence in the United States. The tone is urgent, combative, and skeptical of official or mainstream explanations.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. FBI Investigation: Details and Developments

• Initial Forensics and Evidence:

  • An FBI investigator (00:00) describes processing the crime scene, including discovering DNA evidence on a screwdriver and a towel-wrapped firearm linking the suspect.
  • Investigation into Discord chat groups (“scores of individuals”), cell tower data, family and friends, and text messages reveals potentially pre-existing plans and radical ideology.
  • "Our investigation at the FBI is ongoing...we have scores of people in this Discord chat room." – FBI Investigator (01:10)

• On Prior Warning Signs and Motive:

  • The suspect displayed increasing political radicalization; family and coworkers noticed withdrawal over political topics (04:43).
  • The FBI is still probing whether others in the suspect’s network knew of the impending act; it's described as "not even the beginning of the beginning" in terms of investigation progress.

• Unresolved Questions:

  • Was the event triggered by a specific question about mass shooters and trans killers (06:45)?
  • Did the questioner have a connection to the shooter? The FBI refuses to rule it out.

2. Media, Narrative, and Transparency

• Call for Better Communication:

  • Bannon criticizes the disjointed, incomplete nature of updates from authorities. He calls for a formal press briefing and full transparency:

    • “We need ~have a press briefing and… mark out the timeline, the videos, everything that we know, as of to date…” – Steve Bannon (08:43)

  • Deep skepticism is voiced about the “official narrative,” with repeated demands for a broader, more transparent, and aggressive investigation.

3. Radicalization, Education, and Mental Health Systems

• Accusations Against Utah Governor Cox and His Administration:

  • Sheila Matthews (18:47) raises the role of the accused shooter’s mother—a state behavioral health coordinator. She questions mental health initiatives in Utah, especially the use of AI-driven online therapy platforms on children’s gaming apps like Roblox.

    • “The governor has failed to tell us… she works for his administration in the department. So that aspect is really important.” – Sheila Matthews (19:02)

  • Concerns voiced over a program (“Love Your Mind World,” created by Dr. James Ashwood at Huntsman Institute) that purportedly offers anonymous, AI-based therapy to LGBTQ+ youth via Roblox, suggesting privacy and oversight failures.

    • “Is it artificial intelligence? So you're actually not talking to a therapist… you’re actually talking to an algorithm?” – Steve Bannon (23:15)
    • “This is Governor Cox's mental health initiative online in these gaming rooms.” – Sheila Matthews (24:02)

• Allegations About Leftist, Trans, and Mental Health Radicalization:

  • The conversation repeatedly connects mental health initiatives, DEI (diversity, equity, inclusion) policies, and social emotional learning (SEL) to broader themes of indoctrination and “emotional grooming” in schools.

    • “Social Emotional Learning is a grift… a framework that private schools and public schools use, beginning in nursery school, to manipulate how children feel.” – Jackie Toboroff (34:10)

  • The role of Cox’s wife Abby in promoting SEL in schools (35:00).

• Claims of Dehumanization and Desensitization:

  • Jackie Toboroff rails against the American education system for producing “desensitized” young people.
    • “American Big Ed has become a dehumanization machine… They are churning out students that are completely desensitized.” (36:38)
    • Rasmussen data cited: 40% of Americans under 40 identify as socialists (37:20).

4. Cultural Flashpoints, Victim-Blaming, and Political Targeting

• Polarizing Rhetoric and Victim Focus:

  • Dan Bongino paints a dire, apocalyptic vision of leftist violence targeting conservatives, equating current events to the “fall of ancient Rome” (02:21).

    • “This is your sister, your wife, your daughter… This is their ecstasy when the floor of the subway car is awash in your blood...” – Dan Bongino (02:21)

  • Bannon insists leftist radicals are “killing people,” and there's a conspiracy to assassinate conservative figures (10:50).

• Push for Designation of Domestic Terrorist Groups:

  • Bannon calls for groups like Antifa and “trans-Tifa” to be labeled as domestic or international terrorist organizations to enable broader investigations, including financial (11:53).

5. Parental Rights, Social Engineering, and "Empathy Crisis"

• Characterization of Policies as Attacks on Parents:

  • Bannon and guests claim parental authority is systematically undermined by school counselors, state policy, and SEL initiatives.
  • Allegations of “litter boxes for furries in school bathrooms,” and the erasure of traditional family and gender roles (36:25).

• Hostility Toward “Empathy” Framing:

  • Rejects calls for “unity” or “empathy crisis”—"No unity. We have nothing to unite around in that regard." – Steve Bannon (14:26)
  • Condemns those advocating group healing or softer approaches as naive or part of the problem.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“They can't help themselves because they're so ugly and so low. The only joy they can experience is to take something beautiful or innocent down to their level...when they can't do it, the next best thing is blood.”
– Dan Bongino (02:21)

“You have to go slow on this because this is...I thought Roblox was...where they've got games...that show the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and you as a young nine-year-old can get on there and play.”
– Steve Bannon (21:23)

“The mother needs to be rolled up.”
– Sheila Matthews (27:44)

“They want to shut down conservative voices. They wanna scare people from congregating at these school campuses. And then they have these teachers celebrating what happened.”
– Jackie Toboroff (38:25)

“President Trump's been very, very on message on this, right? This is about radical Democrats. It's that whole education system, the therapy system. This is why Cox...has got to be part of the investigation.”
– Steve Bannon (46:05)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00–03:00: FBI forensic evidence and Discord investigation details
• 04:43: Early warning signs and suspect’s network
• 06:45–07:52: Exploration of possible connections between questioner and shooter
• 08:43: Bannon critiques media response and demands official briefings
• 18:47–25:26: Sheila Matthews details link between state mental health policy, AI therapy, and radicalization
• 34:10: Jackie Toboroff on SEL (“social emotional learning”) as indoctrination
• 36:25–38:25: Jackie and Bannon connect education, furries, and desensitization to leftist violence
• 40:00–42:00: Parental power struggles, DSA, and policy critiques
• 46:05: Bannon on Trump’s reaction and need for “adult supervision”
• 53:07 onwards: Show transitions to promote the Charlie Kirk Show with VP J.D. Vance

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Conclusion

The episode presents a panoramic and emotionally charged view connecting the assassination of Charlie Kirk to larger currents of leftist radicalization, the failure of educational and mental health institutions, and an urgent call for sweeping investigations and policy action. The regular line between factual reporting and opinion is heavily blurred, with recurring themes of distrust toward the state and mainstream media, alarm over youth radicalization, and dire warnings about the future of American society if corrective actions aren’t taken.

If you haven’t listened:
Expect a blend of breaking crime update, political rallying cry, and fierce cultural critique. The episode’s energy is highly mobilizing for partisan audiences, with recurring appeals for investigation, parental authority, and public vigilance against “radical left” influence in schools and institutions.

Transcript

[FBI Investigator]

And what we did once I got there, along with the deputy on the ground on the around 5pm local on September 11, was walk the entire crime scene, including the foots the suspect himself took. And what we learned was there was evidence, DNA evidence that could be collected and had been collected, including a screwdriver that was found on the rooftop. Also, we went over to the scene in the wooded area of where the firearm was discarded and the firearm had a towel wrapped around it. It's important. I'll get back to that later. I even walked into the wooded area in the ravine. So I knew from my investigative experience what I could bring to the table and what decisions I needed to make. And having the support of President Trump and the full support of the White House was what we needed for these resources to happen. And I can report today that the DNA hits from the towel that was wrapped around the firearm and the DNA on the screwdriver on are positively processed for the suspect in custody. I mean, to ignore the last question, going back to the group chats real quick, there's more than 20 individuals, but this is a great point. I want to lay out how this works. People think we can just get in these group chats and immediately find out who's in them. We, the FBI, are the investigatory body supporting multiple prosecutions and ongoing investigations. And that's another point. Our investigation at the FBI is ongoing and, and there are scores of people in this Discord chat room. But we have to effectuate legal process. We have to go out there with search warrants so that if prosecutors want to later use this evidence, it's not tainted by being illegally obtained. We, the FBI, are running the investigation point on the Discord chat group. There are scores of individuals that are going to be spoken to. There are also lots of family members and friends that have already been spoken to. And one more point on forensics. We were able to obtain in record time the text message chain between the suspect and his live in partner, as well as other critical cellular information from our CAST team that analyzes cell phone data towers in the area to pinpoint the locations of the suspect and other individuals he was speaking with. This is critical information that the FBI processed and got to prosecutors so they can lawfully use it in a court of law. And our investigation, our interviews continue, but we've learned some shocking things when we spoke to his family and friends as well.

[Dan Bongino]

This is you. This is your sister, your wife, your daughter. But this right here is you. This is your sister, your wife, your daughter. This is you. This is your sister, your wife, your daughter. But this is you. And this is their reaction when you are killed. This is the joy they feel when your sister is raped, when your children are castrated, brainwashed to hate you. This is their ecstasy when the floor of the subway car is awash in your blood. This is you. Make no mistake. That is a symbol. That is you. But this won't last long. They can't help themselves because they're so ugly and so low that the only joy they can experience, the only good that they can envision, is to take something beautiful or innocent down to their level. And when they can't do it, the next best thing is blood. This is Charlie's family. And these are his children, who will never be able to hug their dad and grow up with a murdered father. And these are the people who smugly revel in this. And they won't stop with just Charlie. The boats are burned. There's nobody coming to help. The barbarians are at the gate. This is the fall of ancient Rome that we are living through currently. And what happens in the next two weeks is going to determine the future of mankind. That's not hyperbole. That's just how it is.

[FBI Agent]

There appear to have been multiple warning signs. You just laid out some of them. There were people in his network, friends and family, who had stated that he had become more political, that he had become at some parts. I believe some of his coworkers had stated that he had kind of detached himself when the topic of politics came up and walked away from them. Family members said he'd become more political, leading us to believe that this ideology had infected him and had taken over and he was just intent. It appears from the data we've accumulated and the channel, and that that note, which we have some evidence may have existed before, based on the communications in that channel, that his target was obviously going to be Charlie and that people knew in advance. The question is, again, I just want to go back to what you had asked before. Did they know? Were they sure of this? Or did they hear this and just write it off? That's what we're going to have to find out, and that's what we're investigating. Bill, this. This investigation has just begun. This isn't even the beginning of the. Of the beginning. You know, yes, we have a subject in custody. You know, everybody's innocent till proven guilty in our constitutional republic. However, this is not done by any stretch. Our men and women out there in the Bureau have worked tirelessly all week. And I just got back to D.C. last night, and, you know, Cash and I were out there on the scene. We walked the scene, we went through every single component of it. We saw the evidence up close and personal, and we went out there to be able to make command decisions with our team on the ground. And I think the process, although not perfect, of course, I think the process went. Went pretty well considering we got him in 30, 33. Yeah. You know, the era of the, you know, Cronkite and Jennings generation is over. New media now is media. And we want to be sure we can do everything in our power and do everything in our power to share what we can, when we can, while still balancing the needs of the investigation. Okay.

[Bill (Host)]

I heard Cash Patel 90 minutes ago in our program when we get to a couple of the things that he made news on. But first, I'm going to drill it on this. Is there any connection at all between the person who was asking the question about. About mass shooters and trans killers? Or was that just a stunning coincidence when that single shot was fired?

[FBI Agent]

Well, we're investigating that. I. I don't want to say conclusively right now if there was a connection or not. It. Sometimes, I mean, Charlie was known to speak out about these issues. He was a powerful voice. It's. It's not terribly uncommon for him to get questions like that. However, we are looking into that. Any potential connection here. Okay, so we're going to screw up.

[Bill (Host)]

I'm not drawing conclusions from your answer. But you're saying it's a possibility. Is that what I hear you saying?

[FBI Agent]

We're looking into everything, Bill. There's not going to be a stone left unturned. If there was anyone involved who aided, abetted. I can't say that in strong enough terms. Every single FBI asset on this team is being applied and used in this investigation.

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[Steve Bannon]

It's Monday, the 15th of September, in the year of our Lord 2025. You see Bongino and Cash out full bore, putting out information. This is all fine, but it's quite disjointed in the answers, the kind of answers you have to give on television. That would be like answering from the press corps. Okay, it's not working. I'm glad that they went out today and the FBI is taking. We got a big investigation and everything, but it shouldn't take, you know, a guy in a studio asking a question to get an answer. We need to have a press briefing and you need to mark out the timeline, the videos, everything that we know as of to date and how broad this is going, and obviously don't give anything out that would affect or impact actually doing the investigation itself. We're not calling for that, but we're calling for to get organized. Because right now, the most ardent Trump supporters, almost zero, believe that the narrative that's being pieced together, either they understand or they understand how the videos all fit in. What happens. And hey, I don't know what the chat, I haven't had a chance to look at the chat. Maybe you see the gun dropping down off the roof. God bless you. Somebody mark it for me so I can see it. I'm open to believe, right? I'm open to believe, but my lying eyes tell me I can't see it. But maybe I could be wrong. Could be wrong. But this is why I think we need briefings and we need to know at least the expanse of this and when are they going to be designated a terrorist organization. Either domestic, international, you pick it. International may actually give us more access to get into international finance, of finance coming from overseas for this. Sam Hyde lays it out. This is, you know, this is why at Turning Point, when Charlie invited me to, at the Student Leadership Summit in Tampa, which was extraordinary as all their events are, the scale and the. And the intensity of the kids there was just amazing. Of course, tons of Warren Posse came because we were down in the Tampa area doing the shows for a couple of days. This is why I said I call them the Tampa Resolves to take apart the deep state. We have to, because they're deep state actors involved here. And Cash and Dan, they have a tenuous grasp on the FBI. They haven't blown out half the agents there for a whole host of reasons. You know, it's easier for me to yell into a microphone than those guys to actually run a massive organization that has tremendous responsibility Although half the FBI, to me, should be terminated because they're deep staters and they're very anti Trump. They're just tapping Trump along to wait till he's finished. And that's why we need to use this moment to find out, really, the conspiracy to assassinate Charlie Kirk. We can't have a grassy knoll. We can't be, you know, we can't have a warring commission here. We're not going to allow that. People are going to be, you know, you're going to get, you know, unpleasant questions asked, just the way it's got to be. This is my strongest recommendation, is to get in front of this and do briefings. Stop having Cox. Cox is part of the problem. Cox went against the parents in Utah. Went against the parents in Utah. And he was brazen. He totally embraced dei. He totally embraced the whole transgender ideology. Had that. Remember, he had that call with. On zoom, I think it was. He's talking about their pronouns and acceptance and all that. No, you're just playing into it. And now you've got two massive instances. You have this thing in St. George with the boy that. The dude that killed his, you know, killed his. Killed, I think, killed his parents and burned the house down. Mormon. And now you've got another young Mormon that has. That has assassinated or allegedly assassinated Charlie Kirk. Although he's not cooperating anymore. He shut up and look, I come from a part of Christianity, the Catholic Church, that has massive problems in this area. Do not think I'm sitting here saying, hey, we're so much better. No, no, we got huge problems. And you've had. Now, this is one of the reasons behind the whole Latin Mass and traditional Catholic Catholic movement that you remember, because of my parents parish, the little parish they helped start. The FBI in Richmond, the Richmond field office started going that, oh, these traditional Catholics are extremists. Yeah. Not the. Not the trad. And the radical LGBTQ element. And I'm not talking about gay people. Right. We supported Scott Bessant and all the. Scott Besson is the most senior person who's gay in the history of the Republic at a senior level. Cabinet Secretary of the Treasury. He was our collaborator and a close friend of mine for over a decade. It's not about that. It's about how this has been radicalized and how now it's violent and it's very violent. And they're striking out and they're killing people. They gun down these little kids and who could be more innocent than little children in their pews at Mass to start the school year to offer up to God, right? All their work and their whole being for the school year ahead of them. And one of these tread nutcases perverts put the gun through the stained gas one and let off 115 rounds with a high powered rifle and all of a sudden you don't talk about that. We can't talk about where's the motive. Remember for four days where's the motive? On CNN or where's the motive?

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[Sheila Matthews]

Well, my thoughts and prayers are with Charlie's family and the entire world on this loss. I want to also thank Joe Hoff for putting up my story on the mom Amber Robinson, who works inadvertently or with the government with the state of Utah. She's a behavioral health coordinator. This is the moment of the accused. Okay, so basically the governor has failed to tell us that, you know, that's an important piece here because she works for his administration in the department. So that aspect is really important, you know, so I encourage people to read the story on that. And five days into this, we have nothing, Steve. We have absolutely nothing. We have the governor who has an initiative in mental health that was passed, that is online and it's using AI bots to provide mental health to these children on the gaming platforms. And there's no way to understand who's counseling these children. This is his initiative under Roblox and the psychiatrist who created it. We should have him on air. Why isn't he telling us? Why isn't the industry telling us what's going on? The mental health industry that is servicing these young 22 year olds that are converting from men to women, which is coming from state policy. When we talk about he, she, they. That is coming from the behavioral health industry's policies within Governor Cox's administration. So he has some explaining to do why he hasn't told us, first of all, who owned the gun? Okay. And the role of the mother. They're part of the investigation here. So where is this initiative into, into the mental health AI bots that are game, that are now embedded in the gaming here. So he should have these mental health experts that he gave all this money to.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Full stop. What is Roblox and what are you telling me to get AI therapists and Cox's administration in Utah letting this happen? You gotta go slow on this because this is. I thought Roblox was the. Where they've got games that these people have made that show the assassination of Charlie Kirk and you as a young nine year old can get on there and play. So what is Roblex and what is the connection with Cox and AI and therapy?

[Sheila Matthews]

Okay, so Dr. James Ashwood, he is from Huntsman Institute and he created Love your Mind World and it is on Roblox and it tries to reach out to the LGBQ community to get them to get therapy online. We have no idea how this is designed. Governor Cox has pushed this initiative and this is now a policy of his. So he should have this guy that created this program and explained it to us because there's some privacy and informed consent issues here. We have no idea how to get into this system. It's very anonymous. And so, you know, Governor Cox has to explain to us how the mother is involved and how his initiative through his policy is roaming these gaming platforms providing mental health. Who are these people that are doing that? We have no idea.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on, hang on, hang on. Slow down. Are you telling. Huntsman is obviously the former ambassador to China, ran for the presidency, comes from. The Huntsman family is one of the most powerful and revered families in Utah. One of the. Like the Romneys and Mike Lee's family. One of the, you know, most important families in the Mormon church. Mormon religion. So the Huntsman, I guess his foundation. Dave, this guy's created a mental health. Is it artificial intelligence? So you're actually not talking to a therapist. You're. You're actually talking to an algorithm. Is that what you're saying that they've built in. They have an AI therapy that's part of this. That young children or. And this is Cox in the state has approved this.

[Sheila Matthews]

Correct. Dr. James Ashwood, he is from Huntsman Institute. And it's called Love youe Mind World Experts. He was an expert. He created it. And this is Governor Cox's mental health initiative online in these gaming rooms. So he has to explain this to us. You know, maybe the psychiatrist can explain to us how this works. This is the same platform where I believe they were creating games of the killing of Charlie over and over again. This is the same platform.

[Steve Bannon]

So.

[Sheila Matthews]

This is really critical. And the fact that the mother and father she worked for his administration. Okay. She worked for a behavioral health partner with the state of Utah. So she's part of this investigation. So there's a lot of unanswered questions here regarding the governor's role in this. And I don't understand how he can be an. In part. The state of Utah is involved in this case.

[Steve Bannon]

The part. Okay.

[Sheila Matthews]

Because of the mother.

[Steve Bannon]

He's okay. Okay. We get to. Okay. Cox should be investigated why the White House allowed and they're saying we had nothing to do with this guy. But even the first time when cash flow out there, why was he allowed to have a speaking role? Who made that decision? He needs to be investigated. His administration needs to be investigated. The mother works for the behavior health. When you get into that thing, it's a rat's nest. Okay. And you got them putting stuff on. You've seen it all the time. We've had Brandon Showalter and Dr. Miriam Grossman people on here for years in Sheila, which you've done a magnificent job over abled child. Where they're pushing these drugs, and they're pushing all this stuff on these young men. This is why the young men are revolting. This is why they saw Charlie as a breath of fresh air. Hey, I got something that can get you out of the dumps. Read the New Testament of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. How about that? This is why they killed him. And now they said. Which I said, what's the odds that the guys ask. What's the odds of the guys asking a transgender? You know, the Sheila Matthews, which she's putting forward every day about how the transgenders are radical, violent, killing people, particularly killing children, striking out, as you saw in the manifesto. Remember? Oh, we don't know what the motive is. Well, you read the manifesto. The guy says, I was brainwashed. I hate myself. I want to figure out how to undo this. If I can. I can't. You know, I got my hair. You know, I was brainwashed. I think I got a motive. Right. Which they never want to talk about because it's a racket. The governor of Utah needs to be investigated full stop. He's been pushing this stuff for years, and now you got this Roblox, and people can put these games up. The other day, they had to go in and take them down. People were putting up games for children to play. That about the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Think about that for a second. Think of the. Think of the. Think of the perverted mind that would do that. Well, that's what you got in a lot of this stuff. And Cox is not. Not free. He's not a. He's not a. A truthful narrative. He's part of the problem that needs to be investigated. That's why it's a mass investigation. When is the FBI going to go talk to him? When they're going to roll the mother up?

[Sheila Matthews]

The mother needs to be rolled up.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Jackie Toboroff]

Right, so the sel, Social Emotional Learning is a grift, as Undercover Mother explains in my article. This is the framework that private schools and public schools use, beginning in nursery school, to manipulate how children feel. This is the primary weapon, sel. And from this they can implement a whole host of different tools in the toolbox from dei, crt, Pro Palestine, blm, climate, gender pronouns, furries, all of that stuff. It all comes from the emotional grooming of kids very young, starting at 2, 3, in nursery school at private and public institutions.

[Steve Bannon]

So, and she was the wife of the governor is, is, is pushing SEL in the school systems out there as part of an empathy crisis. So when these people say we have an empathy crisis, it's what parents are like trying to be parents and saying, no, you can't do that, or you know, you shouldn't be able to do that, or son and daughter, come here, I'm your parent. And here's the way it's going to be in our household. Is that what the empathy crisis is? They put it back and blame the parents so they can get away under cover of night to basically form your children and have them end up being a furry. You know, my brother, who's a Navy pilot and one of the nicest guys in the world, he tells me that like a week ago he's in a store and there's, there's some, you know, there's some mom there walking around and got like an 18, 19 year old, 20 year old son with her, he's in pajamas with the furry hat on in broad daylight, like in the, you know, during, when school, everybody should be in school or at work, he's walking around the grocery store with mom in the middle of the day with pajamas on, in a furry, one of these furry things. He's a furry. Think about it. These are the young men that back in the 1940s stormed the beaches of Tarawa, stormed the beaches of Peleliu, stormed the beaches of Normandy, flew over Nazi Germany and the 8th Air Corps, bombed Japan back to the Stone Age, to victory. There, that's the same. And look what they've done and look what they're attempting to do to destroy these young men.

[Jackie Toboroff]

Ma', am, very quickly, my entire network is moms. And I can tell you here in New York City, both in private and public schools, including religious schools, they have Litter boxes in the bathrooms for children that identify as furries. You heard that correctly. The situation here is, and I want to just connect the dots, Charlie Kirk was assassinated at a school campus. Okay? And here's the thing. American Big Ed has become a dehumanization machine. This whole empathy crisis is bs. They create a problem intentionally and then they fake create a solution. They did this. And here is how they did it. They start off with sel, but the real thing is this American Big Education is owned by opec, Arab oil countries and the ccp. We are literally having American institutions run by terrorist sympathizers. People that are anti America. They are churning out students that are completely desensitized. And 40% of Americans under the age of 40 identify as socialists, per the most recent Rasmussen poll. That is terrifying. That's almost half of the people in America under the age of 40 that identify as socialists that are either okay with what happened to Charlie Kirk because they are at their core anti American, or they are potential assassins. And this is what we are now dealing with. There's really no profile anymore. You send your kids to one of these schools and you are screwed.

[Steve Bannon]

This is why so many school supervisors, I think down ahead to Chesterfield county are being dinged on this. Jackie, you got your piece up in substack. Give me 60 seconds on what the piece says and then I want everybody, Grace and Mon, everybody push it out. What do you got for us?

[Jackie Toboroff]

Yeah, so the bottom line is this. You send your kids into school and you better quarterback what is going on. Because even then there are no guarantees. They are pushing anti American ideology. What has happened very unfortunately to Charlie Kirk is what they want to happen. They wanna shut down conservative voices. They wanna scare people from congregating at these school campuses. And then they have these teachers celebrating what happened. I don't know if any of you saw the Emmys last night. This Jewish 30 year old winner said f ice and pro Palestine. These people are emboldened. We have created a culture of people that celebrate killing someone on live tv. They are cyborgs and they are so socialists and they are ready to attack. And I hope that these people are on some sort of red flag. You want to talk about people that should not ever be able to get a gun permit. It is a socialist or an Islamist.

[Steve Bannon]

By the way, you shouldn't the the reason parents, you tell the parents to get engaged when they either in private schools are worse than the public schools, you tell the parents to get engaged. The Coxes of the world are setting up this thing that the parents. You get pushed out. You get pushed out by the school counselor. You get pushed out. That's what Cox supported. Cox supported taking away the power of parents. And this is my question back to not just the state of Utah, but the Mormon Church. Is that okay with you guys? I didn't think that that was what the Mormons stood for. Right. I'm just so. I'm kind of shocked after spending a couple days at Utah. There's something wrong up there and somebody's got to look at it. And Cox is a problem. He's not a solution. He's being held up now by, of course, the leftist media that he's the voice that we need in this time. This is why we got here. He and the wife. Okay. And they ought to be under. They're part of the investigation. The reason this whole kid, the turning of it, the furry, all of it, the radical nature of these transgenders. And they're getting away from it. They're getting away with it. And now you got the AI therapist. It's all part of the same problem. Taking power away from parents that want to, you know, spare the rod, spoil the child. I'm a perfect example of that, as is my kid brother. Right. You need a firm hand on these young men. Right. To make sure they pay attention. Jackie, we gotta bounce. Where do people go to get your article and social media?

[Jackie Toboroff]

Yes. Go to my substack. Supermoms activated. My Instagram is Jacqueline4NYC. That is J, A, C, Q, Q U, E, L, I N E, F O, R, N Y, C. I will say this DSA is completely tied into the trans movement. And Zoran Mamdani, the potential next New York City mayor, has pledged taxpayer funded money to, quote, medically treat minors. The DSA is completely tied in to the trans movement and they're coming for your kids. And so is Zoran Mamdani.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay. Okay. By the way, what's Undercover Moms? That site's amazing. Where do they go for Undercover Moms? Which is kind of. The moms keep their do. Do what? Where they go.

[Jackie Toboroff]

Go to substack. Undercover Mothers. It's great.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, it's a great site, by the way. I just want to know two things. Hokul came out and endorsed mom Donnie, as they all are. And the stats are, I think 60% of young Jewish people under 30 or 35 are voting for him. I rest my case. This is. The education system has twisted these people to. Now they're actually going to vote in the very people that want to kill him anyway, Jackie, thank you, Sheila. You've got so much great stuff up. You've also got this additional part about Cox's wife you just found. I'm sure you're going to write that up where they go for your social media and to get all your writings.

[Sheila Matthews]

Not Cox's wife, but it's the mother of the shooter, the alleged. And you could go to Joehoff.com and read the story. You could go to AbleChild.org and read the story. So yeah, I'm happy to help. I think that the people have to understand that these are committees that run all these mental health programs within the state and it all lies at the governor's fund feet. You should be held to account about this. Mom, explain to us how she's involved in his administration.

[Steve Bannon]

No, no, no, no. I've got Utah's first lady. Abby Cox's goal is combining combating the empathy crisis. It's Abby Cox, the mother of the child. Yes. Part of no, but Abby Cox also Cox has a better angels. It's funded by the Rockefeller foundation at Fetzer Institute. Look, people aren't getting all this, but but they're part of the investigation and Abby Cox is a leader in the empathy crisis trying to force SEL onto your children. Sheila, thank you so much. Appreciate you, Jackie, always your firebrand. Short commercial break Back in a moment. There's a lot of talk about government debt, but after four years of inflation, the real crisis is personal debt. Seriously, you're working harder than ever and you're still drowning in credit card debt and overdue bills.

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[White House Correspondent]

President Trump is angry and he has every right to be angry. A lot of Americans are very angry right now and there clearly was a leftist ideology with this assassin. And so I totally understand that anger. I also wish you would have played the clip where he quoted Charlie Kirk about the importance of nonviolence because he said that too. And I can tell you that the President has reached out to me. He reached out to me after the press conference and thanked me multiple times, multiple times for my words. That, that's probably a surprise to people. He, he, he also the reason I'm doing these morning shows, I don't do much national press anymore. The White House asked us to come on and, and to talk about this because they're, they're worried about the, the escalation that's happening out there. But again, I don't know why we feel like we need to take our cues that we as, as, as Americans have to get up in the morning.

[Steve Bannon]

And decide that is a bald face, that, that is a bald, that is a bald faced lie. The President's been very, very on message on this, right? This is about radical Democrats. It's that whole education system, the therapy system. This is why Cox, him right there, that brother right there, he's got to be part of the investigation, his administration, what they did, how this whole thing came up on his watch and the wife's, Abby Cox's empathy, the empathy crisis. Charlie Kirk get empathy. You see him dancing around on video. You see these people are monsters. You see them dancing around on video mocking Charlie Kirk, mocking the family. Some of you saying the kids ought to get it. Don't take it from me. Just watch it with your own eyes. Don't get filtered. Just go on and watch it. And they're proud of it. They're not backing up CNN this morning, Brian Seltzer, the guy they're with knitted brows. With knitted brows. They're sitting there going, you know, the, this is very bad because it's a right wing cancel culture. By the way, guys, just want to make sure we are going to end with the right stuff today. We have a very special turnover. When we toss, we're going to toss to the Charlie Kirk show as we always do, hearing real Myrick's voice going to be very special throughout the week. It'll be very special today, particularly special. The Vice President of The United States, J.D. vance is, is going to host the Charlie Kirk show from at least the White House compound. He may be in the West Wing in his office or maybe across the little walkway into the EOB where they've really put up a really terrific studio over there for things to really make sure they've got state of the art broadcasting. But JD who is very close to Charlie, a close personal friend, will be doing today and I think there'll be certain, I think there'll be personages from the White House actually reminiscing on Charlie and his life, et cetera. I think, I hope it's like the prayer vigil last night, which I thought was absolutely terrific and really want to thank, everybody wants to thank JD Given all the pressures on all the people in the White House to take the time to be able to prepare and to host it and to really honor Charlie with a very special, you know, very special broadcast as we start the week tossing to the Charlie Kirk show, as we always do and will continue to do here on Real America's Voice. There's so much other stuff going on in the world that we will get to. We're going to be back at, we're going to be back at 5 o' clock today and we will go through all the news of the news of the day and some of the big things are happening. Massive things happening in economics, massive things happening in global, in geopolitics, huge on the budget here, the cr, all of it, so much going on and we're going to break it down and get to it. But we're also going to be very vocal about the driving. And look, today was, I think a very good first start. Dan Bongino was out, Cash was out. I think Pam might have gotten out. Pam Bondi, you know, we're just pretty adamant that you need to take the center grab. We got too much Cox. And Cox, just as a bald faced liar, he was not asked by the White House. I know this from people that directly told me he because I said are you asking Cox to go do a full ginsburg when his message is opposite of President Trump? President Trump is very focused on getting to the bottom of this and making sure these radicals don't take over the country. And he's been, I think, superb in just going through bang, bang, bang on message the entire time. And Cox's message is let's have a group hug. We're not having a group hug. If we have a group hug, the country's going to be destroyed. Okay. Sam Hyde, it was very profound what he had to say. He cut right to the chase it was unvarnished. And I know it's a little hard for people, but right now we don't, you know, the empathy crisis is going to continue because we need to have an adult supervision. We've got a crisis of that and we need to set things right. And we're going to set things right. And the way to start that is, is a massive investigation by the authorities on something that's real. And remember not to treat this, this is not just a single murder case. It's far deeper than that. And you can already see what's coming up. And that's why I'm so glad that they got the guy asked the question. Maybe he had nothing to do with it. I'm just saying if you took all the Charlie questions and everything that had been asked all the times about this and add them all up, it's got to be a billion to one, that, that would be the exact questions being asked when he shot, supposedly by allegedly by the lover of, you know, the quote, unquote, roommate and romantic interest of a dude who's transitioning to a girl, quote, unquote, transitioning, as if to mock the Holy Spirit any more that you possibly could. So to turn this into a broader investigation, a deeper investigation. And all we need, all we need is to get, you know, designate antifa and trans. And the trans. T for the trans. T for whatever, the subset of this domestic terrorist organizations. Right. And then start what you can do then on financing, what you can do on people that assist them, politicians that assist them. Also maybe you go in a 5 or 6 block area or 10 block square area in Portland and help the poor working class people that every night and declare martial law there and clean up that mess. Remember last night you saw him mocking President Trump on the ice on these brave, brave, brave, brave, brave folks on ice. Incredible. Get ready for two hours of populist nationalism served up hot by Charlie Kirk. The Charlie Kirk Show. Sitting in today, the Vice President of the United States of America, J.D. vance. He'll be tossing to Jack Bosobic, then brother Steve Gruber, Eric Bolling and then back here at 5 o' clock, we'll be back in the war room. We're gonna leave you now with what Charlie Kirk had to the depth of his stole the right stuff. We'll see you back here at Sam.

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