Episode 4785: The Fight For Civilization

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room — Episode 4785

Title: The Fight For Civilization
Date: September 17, 2025
Host: Steve Bannon (WarRoom.org)

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Episode Overview

This intense episode of Bannon's War Room focuses on the battle for Western civilization, drawing connections between institutional decadence, the radicalization of youth through digital platforms, and faltering governmental transparency — most notably regarding the Epstein files. With guests from across the political right (including Mark Mitchell of Rasmussen Polling, Brian Harrison of Texas, and Mike Lindell), Steve Bannon frames recent congressional investigations and rising political violence as the natural outcome of elite cover-ups and a progressive takeover of American (and Western) institutions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Epstein Files: Congressional Grilling of FBI Director Patel

Segments: 00:00–06:26; 16:26–22:11

• Repeated Demands for Transparency

  • Congressman and Mark Mitchell press FBI Director Patel on his failure to release all documents and records pertaining to Jeffrey Epstein’s sex trafficking crimes, especially the so-called “black book” and other seized assets.
  • Patel’s Defense: He insists that everything legally possible and not under federal court protection or grand jury secrecy has been released; any further disclosure would break court orders.
    • Quote: “Everything that has been lawfully permitted to be released has been released.” — Director Patel [02:21]
  • Skepticism from Congress: Lawmakers and Mitchell claim what’s been released is just a fraction. Persistent arguments arise over the legality and breadth of document releases—witness statements, videos, emails, financial records.
  • Director Patel pushes back hard on accusations of cover-up, calling them “patently and categorically false.” [21:42]

• Donald Trump’s Name in the Files

  • Congressman Goldman queries whether Trump appears in any Epstein files and presses Patel about legal rationales for redactions and omissions.
  • Patel reiterates: Anything pertaining to Trump or others that can be released, has been released, and maintains strict adherence to legal process.
    • Quote: “All credible information that we are legally allowed to release has been released.” — Director Patel [16:42]

2. Big Tech & The Radicalization of Youth: Reddit as a Recruitment Organ

Segments: 06:26–13:15; 23:37–26:21

• Mark Mitchell on Reddit’s Evolution

  • Describes Reddit’s shift from free-speech haven to “monoculture” enforcing a progressive orthodoxy.
  • Chronicles the deliberate suppression and ultimate banning of “The Donald” subreddit post-2016, arguing this was a coordinated effort following Trump's victory to prevent future right-wing digital mobilization.
    • Quote: “Reddit started cracking down on The Donald... It was the largest pro-Trump community. I think it is essentially election interference.” — Mark Mitchell [10:34]
  • Chinese Influence & Section 230: Raises the specter of Chinese ownership stakes (Tencent) and anonymous moderation as vectors for censorship and manipulation.

• Social Cross-pollination and Radicalization

  • Claims progressive moderators now rule political and adjacent subreddits, banning dissent even in non-political spaces.

  • Warns that Reddit is not just a forum but a radicalizing machine—especially for “Antifa” and “trans paramilitary groups.”

    • Quote: “Reddit... is essentially a monoculture that assimilates young people into socialistic, anarchist, pro, anti-fascist, with a smattering of degenerate porn. Like, that’s what these young people are having thrown in their face in early teenagers.” — Mark Mitchell [23:40]

3. Western Civilization Under Assault: The Texas Example

Segments: 32:44–38:58

• Brian Harrison’s Texas Testimony
  • Decries what he calls “the rot” within Texan universities; accuses Republican leadership (Gov. Abbott) of funding institutions that teach “transgender indoctrination” and training “domestic terrorists.”
  • Describes incidents at Texas A&M and Texas State where conservative students are allegedly punished for dissent.
    • Quote: “We should be the tip of the spear on this. Instead... we’re taxing 30 million Texans out of their home to fund literally everything Charlie Kirk dedicated his life to defending.” — Brian Harrison [35:28]
  • Calls for mass firings of university presidents and progressive faculty.

4. Political Violence: Nationwide Anxiety Following Charlie Kirk Assassination

Segments: 40:19–44:46

• Polling on Violence & Trust in Institutions
  • Mark Mitchell presents deeply alarming polling:
    • 90% of Americans are concerned about political violence.
    • 86% “agree this was caused by political rhetoric,” a rare cross-partisan point of consensus.
    • 85% believe more political killings are “very likely or somewhat likely” soon.
      • Quote: “How concerned are you about political violence in America? 69% very concerned... That’s like everybody. 90% concern... I’ve never seen a 90 handle ever on any concern about an issue ever.” — Mark Mitchell [41:38]
  • Points out that even these crises may be beyond what a single leader like Trump can fix—institutions themselves are breaking down.
    • Quote: “I think the problem is... we’re starting to realize now that there are just some things that are too big for Donald Trump to fix. And history tells us that... society demands those problems to be fixed.” — Mark Mitchell [41:09]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Releasing Epstein Files:

  • "Put on your big boy pants and let us know who the pedophiles are." — Congressman [00:43]
  • “Why is the FBI protecting the greatest pederast, the largest scale pederast in human history?” — Mark Mitchell [00:16]
  • “Anyone released more information on Epstein than I have?” — Director Patel [04:28]

• On Tech Platforms:

  • "Reddit… has become a cesspool…a recruiting apparatus for a paramilitary terrorist operation organization.” — Steve Bannon [22:11]
  • “Once you get onto Reddit, the ideology is going to be enforced from the top down… with an iron fist.” — Mark Mitchell [09:44]

• On the State of Western Civilization & Universities:

  • "Texas is the line in the sand. The Texas ethos of freedom and liberty... We should be the tip of the spear on this." — Brian Harrison [35:20]
  • "We're in a battle for nothing less than the future of Western civilization." — Brian Harrison [35:23]

• On the National Mood:

  • “86% of the country agrees that this was caused by political rhetoric, even a majority of Democrats… Americans want actions.” — Mark Mitchell [46:19]
  • “Unity died in Joe Biden’s winter of death, his cold winter of death.” — Mark Mitchell [27:25]
  • “If Trump can't fix this, then the fourth turning tells us society is going to fix us.” — Mark Mitchell [46:38]
  • “You’re either with us or you’re against us. Let’s go now.” — Steve Bannon [32:07]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Epstein Files Grilling: 00:00–06:26, 16:26–22:11
• Reddit Discussion/Tech Radicalization: 06:26–13:15, 23:37–26:21
• Brian Harrison on Texas & Universities: 32:44–38:58
• National Violence Polling & Public Trust: 40:19–44:46
• Calls for Action/Closing Reflections: 46:19–47:08

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Tone & Style

The tone throughout is urgent, pugnacious, and conspiratorial—at times angry. The speakers, particularly Bannon and his guests, emphasize existential threats to civilization, institutional decay, and a sense of “us versus them” in cultural and political combat. Language is unapologetically combative and partisan, with frequent appeals to patriotism and a call for more forceful, collective resistance.

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Conclusion

Bannon’s War Room episode 4785 is a whirlwind of indignation and alarm over elite secrecy, progressive encroachment, and national violence. The discussion threads together concerns over the Epstein case, digital radicalization, educational indoctrination, and the collapse of trust in core American institutions. As Bannon closes, the question is no longer whether but how—and how soon—the right will mobilize for what he frames as the ultimate fight for the country’s soul.

Transcript

[Congressman]

Director Patel, before you joined the FBI, you railed against it for covering up Jeffrey Epstein's human trafficking ring. Let me refresh your memory with this clip.

[Mark Mitchell]

It has Epstein's list. They're sitting on it. That doesn't seem like something you should do. You're protecting the world's foremost predator. That seems like an evil thing to do, regardless of who may be embarrassed in the release of that list. Why is the FBI protecting the greatest pederast, the largest scale pederast in human history?

[Director Patel]

Simple. Because of who's on that list.

[Congressman]

So you finished that December 2023 interview with a challenge to the FBI and harsh words for Republicans in Congress for not getting the Epstein files out to the public. You can see this clip, boy pants.

[Director Patel]

And let us know who the pedophiles are.

[Congressman]

Put on your big boy pants and let us know who the pedophiles are. You said you emphasize that the President and FBI Director each had complete authority to release Epstein's client list. You said Epstein's black book is under the, quote, direct control of the Director of the FBI. Look at this clip.

[Steve Bannon]

This is way off the topic. But who has Jeffrey Epstein's black book?

[Director Patel]

Black book, FBI. But who that is, I mean there's. Oh, that's under direct control of the Director of the FBI.

[Congressman]

All right, so you were sworn in as director more than 200 days ago. Now the black book is under your direct control. So why haven't you released the names of Epstein's co conspirators in the rape and sex trafficking of young women and girls?

[Director Patel]

The Rolodex, which is what everybody colloquially refers to as the black book, has been released.

[Congressman]

Oh, no, you're talking about what the journalist got five years ago. No, that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about what you were talking about there. The black book. Under the direct control of the FBI director.

[Director Patel]

We have released more material than anyone else before the Biden administration, Obama administration had the exact opportunities to release this material and they never did. And if you are selling the men and women the FBI going after child. Hang on. You said we're not going after child predators. 1500 child predators arrested this year. 35% increase. I reclaim my 4700 child.

[Congressman]

Mr. Chairman. I'm going to claim my time. If you could instruct the witness. Why have you changed your position there? You were saying it's under the direct control of the FBI director and all of it should be released. Why did you.

[Director Patel]

Everything that has been lawfully permitted to be Released has been released. And as I told you, really, the investigation was limited. And let me make something crystal clear. I never said Jeffrey Epstein didn't traffic other people, other women, and they're not other victims. This is the investigation we were given from 2006, 7 and 08. And the search warrants from 2006, 7 and 8. That's what we're working with.

[Congressman]

Wait, have you released all of the stuff that the FBI has seized from Epstein's house? The computers, the emails, the file cabinets, the documents. What about the financial records? Have you released all of that?

[Director Patel]

Everything the court has allowed us to.

[Congressman]

Which court are you talking about?

[Director Patel]

Three separate federal courts have come in and said, we're talking about the evidence you've got.

[Congressman]

It's got nothing to do with what those courts.

[Director Patel]

Do you have any law works? Do you want me to break the law in a federal judge's order?

[Mark Mitchell]

No, I want you to follow your own word.

[Congressman]

Director Patel, you said up there it was under the direct control of. Of the FBI director. He had the black book.

[Director Patel]

Everything I have direct control over, we have gone to court.

[Congressman]

You haven't complete your sentence. Everything you have direct control over, you.

[Director Patel]

Said have gone to court. And everything we have direct control over, complete your sentence, you said they're releasing.

[Congressman Goldman]

He'd like to complete his answer.

[Congressman]

You began the sentence. Everything you have direct control over, I. And then you stop that sentence, you've released. Everything that you have direct control over.

[Director Patel]

I have direct control over and can lawfully release. If you're not familiar with the court orders, that's not my fault.

[Mike Lindell]

Oh, I'm perfect.

[Congressman]

I'm familiar with them. But how did we prosecute Ghislaine Maxwell?

[Director Patel]

She was prosecuted with the investigatory material that was collected from 2001 and 2005. Because of the non prosecution agreements and the court orders on the investigations and search warrants, we were not able to develop new information. And oh, by the way, Jeffrey Epstein was out for 12 years and. And the Obama and Biden administration did nothing to look at his work, his pedophile network. If you want to blame me, that's fine. But now you're blaming the men and women who conducted this. Stop that.

[Congressman]

I'm not blaming anybody other than you. You're not keeping your word. You said that you would release all of the materials on Epstein.

[Director Patel]

Anyone released more information on Epstein than I have. Has anyone?

[Congressman]

Much more.

[Director Patel]

Comey did, Ray.

[Congressman]

Much more. Excuse me. Much more has come out in the days since the American people in Congress have been demanding it. But it's coming out in dribs and drabs. Why don't you just release the entire file as you promised to do?

[Director Patel]

I literally just told you there are multiple federal court orders. I'm not going to break the law to satisfy your curiosity. You didn't join us when we filed court to release the court orders. You could have, you have lawyers. You could have shown up. You didn't do that.

[Congressman]

That's a tiny fraction of the material we're talking about.

[Mark Mitchell]

It's not.

[Congressman]

It is a tiny fraction.

[Director Patel]

How do you know that? Have you seen everything?

[Congressman]

It's all misdirected.

[Congressman Goldman]

The time of the gentleman has expired. The gentleman from California is recognized.

[Mark Mitchell]

Well, thank you, Mr.

[Steve Bannon]

Direct.

[Brian Harrison]

How many of the eps?

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, okay, we're going to come back. I think Goldman's trying to light up cash also, you see, the Democrats are not talking about and they don't want information about the assassination because they understand that takes you right to the political left. And this is why they got to be designated terrorist organization because Congress is not going to do anything. The Democrats going to block everything. Mark Mitchell is our guest from Rasmussen Polling. Mark, I appreciate the fact that you have gone and are doing the pick and shovel work that other people refuse to do. There's a up on my getter, if I can tell my production staff I've posted, I think under the title and people on getter can see it, Direct action, where someone on Reddit, one of these Reddit channels is talking about Ben Shapiro may be rethinking his college schedule, tour or whatever. In Reddit they're applauding it. They got one of these essential terrorist networks. They're saying, look, direct action, which means assassinations, is working and we need to double down on that. We need to drive that because direct action is working. Talk to us about this underbelly Reddit, because President Trump, in days gone by, it was also had. You had conservatives, you had other people. I think President Trump actually gave an ask me anything there. So tell us about it and why has it become a cesspool for the very dark recruiting process of these particularly not just antifa, but the transgender paramilitary groups? Sir.

[Mike Lindell]

Yeah.

[Mark Mitchell]

The reason this sticks out so much to me is because nobody talks about it and it is so blatant and it's so out there. And if, for instance, the FBI wanted to change its priorities and go after the people who are fomenting violent rhetoric on the Internet, this is the very first place they would have gone. And it might have prevented a situation like what happened to Charlie Kirk, of course, we find out instead. What, what was the FBI doing? Well, it was investigating 92 conservative organizations, including Turning Point USA. But yes, they stole your public school, they stole the academia, they have taken your mainline Protestant denominations, they've taken everything to try to radicalize your children, but they've taken the Internet too. And the biggest one is Reddit. And a lot of people don't know this. It's actually number five most visited URL on the entire US Internet. It is massively huge. And to understand what it is, 10, 20 years ago, if you had a special interest, you might go to like a bulletin board and you would discuss with other people in that particular community stuff about, I don't know, boat building or modding, video games or all kinds of different stuff like that. Well, Reddit was launched in 2005 and it has taken all of that over. It was actually founded by free speech absolutists. The CEOs at the time were Steve Huffman, Alexis Ohanian, and this guy. Oh yeah, Aaron Schwartz, who was a free speech absolutist and unfortunately had a little run in with the FBI is my understanding. He's the one that downloaded the JSTAR database and wound up wrapping his car around a tree, is my understanding. But anyways, this was a growing part of the Internet. It was places where people could go to talk about anything. And so in 2015, a group of people went to talk about Donald Trump there and they founded the subreddit, the Donald, which became the largest Donald Trump, pro Donald Trump community on the Internet. It grew to officially 800,000 people, making it the third largest political subreddit on the site Reddit. But it was actually much larger because Reddit went out of its way to suppress the number of subscribers. The era of the Donald saw a lot of interference from the top of Reddit, then owned by Conde Nast and then spun off to two private owners somewhere along the line. Tencent got involved in 2019. But the Donald was one of the reasons, I think, that Donald Trump won the 2016 election. Donald Trump was not a typical political candidate, as you and I both know. You were there, Steve, and you know the keyboard warriors there, this is where they were. They were taking new memes, new ideas, new ways to normalize Donald Trump's very different political platform and distribute that information to the front page of Reddit, where many young, impressionable people saw it and became part of the Trump movement. And then further to places like Twitter. And this was not like some, not like ignored Part of the Internet. The people that went there took do ask me anythings. Alex Jones went, Ann Coulter, Kurt Schilling, Donald Trump himself went there and answered people's questions. Peter Schweitzer, Milo, Roger Stone, Scott Adams, Tucker. This was a really big deal. And then what happened after the Trump election? I think a lot of technology companies were like, wow, we can't let that happen again. And Reddit started cracking down on the Donald. They started changing the rules to deboost the post so they couldn't get to the front page. It got to the point where the CEO actually spoofed one of the users accounts and edited one of his comments and they ultimately banned it over a very artificial thing, saying that actually the Trump movement was inciting calls to violence against the police. Although the problem was is that there were all these spam bots going in there and stirring up this rhetoric. But that banning came just months before the 2020 election. This was the largest pro Trump community. I think it is essentially election inter. And it came within a year after 10 cent took a very significant minority stake in the company. I haven't heard anybody ask questions about what went on there. Why did the Reddit shut down the Donald? Now the way it operates is you have all of these anonymous moderators. That's the way Reddit shields themselves from, you know, gives themselves section 230 immunity. And these moderators can enforce ideology and so on. The major political subreddits like our politics, who now has like 7 or 8 million subscribers, millions of people go there a week. This is where young people go. They go talk to their friends at public school and their friends are like, oh yeah, I'm into Pokemon or I'm, I'm into Fortnite. Well now the biggest Fortnite community on the Internet is at Reddit. And once you get onto Reddit, the ideology is going to be enforced from the top down because these moderators moderate multiple subreddits and with an iron fist will not allow you to question the liberal progressive orthodoxy. They will not. I've been kicked off of subreddits, totally unrelated, just because of arguing over chromosomes. And so that's the way it rolls. And this isn't like the bulletin boards where you're buried into your one community. People cross pollinate, there's adjacent communities. And what happens is increasingly people wind up being radicalized. Now I'll just read some of the things off of the main political subreddit and again, we don't know who any of these moderators are. They could be foreign adversaries, they could be WEF types, they could be new World order folks, they could be the kgb, we really don't know. They could literally be the CIA. I don't even know if Ratcliffe would know it. Here are just some headlines from the last week. The Kirk crackdown is underway. No, I won't be shedding any tears for Charlie Kirk. No, let's not forget who Charlie Kirk really was. House Republicans threatened to cancel anyone who disparages Charlie Kirk. On Charlie Kirk Show, JD Vance talks of crackdown on liberal groups. Charlie Kirk didn't shy away from who he shouldn't either. Let's be honest about Charlie Kirk's life and death. It's all excusing, blaming, pointing the figure and shifting it. This is the key part of their narrative flywheel. It's not blue sky, it's not these little discord groups. Now what happens is they'll go on a subreddit and they'll see, oh my subreddit has a discord group. And all of a sudden you're in probably a radical leftist sleeping cell. But these things are wide open. There is a subreddit for anti fascists of Reddit, has 118,000 subscribers. Very active subreddit. Now if I could just read a list off of some of these. Absolutely. Like crazy ones, it just goes on and on. There's.

[Steve Bannon]

Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark. Hang on a second. I want to hold you through the break. I want people to hear this. You're 100% correct. What we call the Pepes, Cernovich and the Pepys, this was one of the major platforms. It's one of the most significant social media, Facebook, Reddit, others were one of the major reasons President Trump got traction and won in 2016. And the Mike Benz, Darren Beatty have done an amazing job of explaining what the tech companies did when they were so shocked. Remember they had those struggle sessions with themselves, how they allowed Trump to win and they came down and, you know, crashed us, crashed everybody. This is why it upsets me no end that Zuckerberg sits at the right hand of President Trump in the dining room. You know, that huge tech bro feast. No guy should. That guy should be in prison, not sitting there with the President of the United States. Anyway, short commercial break. There is a lot going on this morning. Will explain it all to you. Mark Mitchell is here with us. We're going to take a short commercial break. Birch gold into the dollar empire. Get smart. Learn about the dollar as the prime reserve currency. Learn what it means for the country, what it means for the world, but most importantly, what it means for you and your personal finances. Birchgold.com, promo code Bannon, all seven installments worked on over the last four years are all free and available now. Back in a moment. This July there is a global summit of BRICS nations in Rio de Janeiro. The block of emerging superpowers including China, Russia, India and Persia are meeting with the goal of displacing the United States dollar as the global currency. They're calling this the Rio Reset. As BRICS nations push forward with their plans, global demand for US dollars will decrease, bringing down the value of the dollar in your savings. While this transition won't not happen overnight, but trust me, it's going to start in Rio, the Rio Reset in July marks a pivotal moment when BRICS objectives move decisively from a theoretical possibility towards inevitable reality. Learn if diversifying your savings into gold is right for you. Birch Gold Group can help you move your hard earned savings into a tax sheltered IRA and precious metals claim. Your free info kit on gold by texting my name Bannon. That's B A N N O N to 989-898 with an A plus rating with the Better Business Bureau and tens of thousands of happy customers. Let Birchgold army with a free no obligation info kit on owning gold before July and the Rio reset. Text Bannon. B A N N O N to 9,898. Do it today. That's the Rio reset. Text Bannon at 989-898 and do it.

[Congressman Goldman]

Today for New York is recognized. Mr. Goldman, Mr. Patel, does Donald Trump appear anywhere in the Epstein files?

[Director Patel]

I'm sorry, could you say that again?

[Congressman Goldman]

It's not a complicated question. Does Donald Trump appear anywhere in the Epstein files?

[Director Patel]

I didn't say it was a complicated question. I just didn't hear you. So my apologies. We have released where, Mr. Where President Trump's names in the Epstein files and everybody else and all credible information that we are legally allowed to release has been released.

[Congressman Goldman]

All right, so let's go through that. You're referring to court orders that prohibit you from releasing grand jury testimony under Rule 6e? Is that what you're referring to when you say as the law allows?

[Director Patel]

That's a piece of it.

[Congressman Goldman]

Really? What other evidence do those three court orders you cited pro prohibit from being released?

[Director Patel]

Information that was collected pursuant to those search warrants that were limited. Wrong fashion.

[Steve Bannon]

Wrong.

[Congressman Goldman]

That's not what the court order says and that's not under 6E.

[Director Patel]

And you're talking. And I said that 6E. And I said there was others. And I'm answering that there are sealed court order documents, There are protective orders.

[Congressman Goldman]

They are unsealed as part of discovery given to Ghislaine Maxwell. They are no longer sealed.

[Director Patel]

That's just not true. We can argue about it all you want.

[Congressman Goldman]

Okay, well, you agree that there are. So you're.

[Steve Bannon]

Wait.

[Congressman Goldman]

Your testimony here is that the reason why you are not releasing all of the videos that you have acknowledged. There are so many. And that the FBI spent thousands of hours of reviewing the photographs. All of the. And the photographs that you have, you're saying that you're not releasing those because there's a court order requiring them to be sealed, that your testimony never said.

[Director Patel]

That about the videos and the totality of the videos of the thousands of images that were seized pursuant to the search warrants executed at the time. The overwhelming majority of that video is pornographic material that was downloaded from the Internet and child sexual abuse material. We will never release that.

[Congressman Goldman]

Well, as you should not release the victims. But if there are videos that relate to others who Epstein trafficked to, such as maybe Prince Andrew or photographs that you have total control to release.

[Director Patel]

Yes. And if it exists.

[Congressman Goldman]

So why haven't you released it?

[Director Patel]

Why are you supposing that that is a fact, when in fact it is false? Are you saying that you're saying that.

[Congressman Goldman]

None of the videos relate to anything relevant to the Jeffrey Epstein trafficking?

[Director Patel]

Every single video that we have collected pursuant to the prior search warrants has been examined for the last 10 years, and every single video has been utilized for whatever prosecutions were able to be legally brought.

[Congressman Goldman]

I'm not asking about prosecutions. I'm asking about why you aren't releasing the full Epstein files, including the names of people who were involved in the sex ring that you promised to do before you became FBI director.

[Director Patel]

Told you I'm not going to release downloaded porn.

[Congressman Goldman]

I'm not asking about that.

[Mark Mitchell]

Fine.

[Congressman Goldman]

I'm asking about all the other files.

[Director Patel]

What other videos? Tell me. Tell me.

[Congressman Goldman]

You're. That's what I'm asking me. You're saying there are no videos that would be relevant to anyone else involved in the Jeffrey Epstein sex pursuant to.

[Director Patel]

Mr. Acosta's collection of information based on the search warrants. That's all we have in our possession.

[Congressman Goldman]

And I'm asking you. That stuff.

[Director Patel]

That's all we got.

[Congressman Goldman]

I'm not asking all you got. I'm asking you. In that stuff, there's nothing that's wrong related to the to any other sex traffic. Any other people engaged with Epstein in underage sex?

[Director Patel]

That's correct. To my knowledge, no.

[Congressman Goldman]

Okay, let's talk about the witness interviews. 302s of witness interviews. Those are not subject to the court order. Those are not subject to any fictional sealed order for a search warrant. Why aren't you releasing those with the redacted names of the victims?

[Director Patel]

We are releasing as much as legally allowed. That's why we went back to court.

[Congressman Goldman]

How is that. How is that not legally allowed, sir?

[Director Patel]

Do you know how court orders work? Do you know how protective orders.

[Congressman Goldman]

Actually, Mr. Patel, I was a prosecutor, a real prosecutor, for 10 years. I know exactly how.

[Director Patel]

So I was a fake one.

[Congressman Goldman]

And I want to understand what the court order prevents you from releasing witness statements that the FBI took.

[Director Patel]

You should know that as a real prosecutor. When the court hand downs a protective order and a motion to seal, the material is sealed.

[Congressman Goldman]

Unless that your testimony here is that all of those witness statements are under a court order. A protective order.

[Director Patel]

We are providing everything we can legally provide.

[Congressman Goldman]

No, that's not my question. My question is why are those witness statements that are not grand jury testimony that if they were under a protective order, are no longer under a protective order? Why are they not being released?

[Director Patel]

How are they not under protective order?

[Congressman Goldman]

Why are you not going to the court like you did for the grand jury testimony to. To unseal those records?

[Director Patel]

The DOJ did go to the court.

[Congressman Goldman]

No, not on those records. Why aren't you going? You just went on grand jury. Time of the gentleman has expired. You are hiding the Epstein files. Time of the gentleman is expired. You are part of the COVID up.

[Director Patel]

Can I respond? Sure. Can any allegations that I'm a part of a cover up to protect child sexual trafficking and victims of human trafficking and sexual crimes is patently and categorically false in the work of my.

[Congressman Goldman]

So I hope you will talk to them when requested to speak with you. Because the victims have written. You are not responding to them.

[Steve Bannon]

As you can see there, these are not normal congressional hearings. Yesterday with the Senate in cash, today in the House. You know, these are star chambers. Just keep that in mind. And this is why I am strong advocate that we have to get ahead of some of these things by being much more aggressive because the Jamie Raskins of the world on everything that we're working on is not. Is not. This is not about, oh, let's come together. You see unity. Is any unity is unity coming through the screen. You should be watching also. If we can put up On Grace, make sure we get these up on some people. We're streaming that people can see. But the CDC is almost as bad. I want to go back to Mark Mitchell. Mark, before you read it, just one more time. The big tech companies control so much in the country. They've allowed this to be turned into a cesspool that's now recruiting apparatus for a paramilitary terrorist operation organization. And you're seeing this in the radicalization, not just Antifa, which is taking over Portland, Oregon, to stop the ICE agents from doing deportations of criminals. You've seen it in these radical trans groups that have really built militias through platforms like Reddit. Am I correct in that, sir?

[Mark Mitchell]

100%. And the feds don't care. While they were rounding up memos on the Capitol steps, this was blowing up on the Internet. And now Reddit, the fifth biggest website in the US is essentially a monoculture that assimilates young people into socialistic, anarchist, pro, anti fascist, with a smattering of degenerate porn. Like that's what these young people are having thrown in their face in early teenagers. I'm looking at the subreddit for anarchism right now. It's got almost 300,000 subscribers. And the resource links on the side, there's a lot of them. What is anarchists? Frequently asked question. The Anarchist Library. Oh, and what's this? Two links, Two onion links to the dark Web for a site called Rise up and Rattle. Like, what are those? And does the FBI know about those people? Are they entrapping those people like they did with these people that they said tried to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer? The FBI's probably got their hands so far up at every militia's rear in the US and it would appear that these things are completely. And you know what? It's also been alleged that Reddit is one of the most common places to find federal government employees because Reddit was blowing up back when Elon Musk was firing all those people. So nobody's looking at it. They should have looked at it. Not very many people have been saying it. I've been saying it. I think Reddit's a massive thing, and it's got a stake by the Chinese. Maybe they divested some of it back when it IPO'd. This thing's like 45, $50 billion in market cap now, 1.3 billion in advertiser revenue. They probably got advertisers threatening to pull their ad money if they don't crack down on conservative speech. Every place that young people learn Their cultural values now has been completely manipulated for the left, and it's going to fix itself if Trump can't fix it for us.

[Steve Bannon]

What needs to be done? What does President Trump and the FBI director need immediately, particularly in that this can lead to? Because, let me be blunt. I went on a rant yesterday, almost in the second hour of the Evening edition, because I don't believe the script that was put out by the text messages. It's, it's almost ridiculous to expect us to believe it. A young guy who's just killed somebody that he's not particularly an expert in has killed. Somebody shot him. It's world news. And he's writing a thing, you know, poetically saying, oh, you know, hate can't be negotiated with it. Just the whole thing's phony. The whole thing's like a bad Hollywood script. So what should be, what should be done here, sir?

[Mark Mitchell]

We've always had public crime cases like this. We had people looking at the O.J. simpson case. But what's the difference between now and then is that nobody trusts the federal government. And I've been saying this forever. You can't just slap a new leader at the top of a completely corrupt organization and expect Americans to just forget about how it was weaponized against them. And as far as I know, I haven't seen stuff out of the federal government that proves to me that root cause and corrective action questions have been asked and people have been fired and rounded up for the things that they perpetrated against the American people. And now are the people asking for that? No, they don't understand. But when they see something like the Epstein stuff, they're like, wait, something stinks. And so, yes, they will mistrust you as well and not believe what they perceive to be lies. Because we, I said this On July 10, the polling came back on Epstein, and I said, this is not going away. Only 16% of America agrees with Pam Bondi that the case is closed. They're not just going to trust me, bro, with the Trump administration. And so until we see true institutional restitution, grievance of, you know, redress of Americans, grievances over how the Obama or the Biden administration, Obama as well, weaponized the federal government, created literally, a regime. You talk about unity. Unity died in Joe Biden's winter of death, his cold winter of death. And so we're past that. And the thing now, the reason it's so dangerous, you brought it up to me in between the break, is that this polling about Charlie Kirk is really explosive. America is going to start changing very rapidly now because I think they're coming to a realization. And again, Trump's approval is doing fine. It's actually up to negative two.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Director Patel]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Mark Mitchell]

Right there.

[Steve Bannon]

Charlie Kirk's the Scottish pipes. As you know, Warren would love to play all of this. We would love to do this non stop. But right there, which is, you know, some of the best parts of Western civilization. Christendom is now under assault. Over a million people in the streets in London over the weekend to protest the fact that the highest and best of our civilization is being thrown aside. Now compare that. Compare the beauty of that and the majesty of that. Compare that. That's a state visit reviewing the troops. That's President Trump with the King of England, King Charles, something President Trump has looked at. Yeah, keep those pipes up. The problem is Western civilization. We're an inflection point, folks. All of that is going to be all kicked into the dustbin of history because we have people that literally hate the Judeo Christian West Hate Christendom. Hate our civilization to the marrow of their bones. And they're doing something about it. You know what they're doing? They're attacking every institution we have. So say a fond farewell to that. Unless we shut down these demons that are trying to destroy us. That's the heart of this fight. It's the heart of the MAGA movement. And you're either with us or you're against us. Let's go now to God. The music's so amazing. I'd love to stick with it, but I got to get back. Mark Mitchell, tell me about. Before I get to Mark and polling, I want to go to Texas because this gets to the heart of it. The great state of Texas, its development, its founding, the great pioneer. Have you ever been to Texas? And you think about people back in the 1840s, 1850s, 1860s, with the Comanches and everything, and the Mexicans, everything down there. And those brave pioneers went, and look what they've made Texas into. One of the great economic powerhouses in the world. But the rot, the rot that's going to throw it all away is there. And it's systemic and it's institutional. You know, Abbott's being a tough guy, throwing these kids out of college, by the way they should. They're sitting there doing all this kind of things about Charlie Kirk that are just not acceptable. But he's being a tough guy there. But he's financing this. He Abbott. Okay? He's the governor. Another gutless one of these gutless Republicans. Brian Harrison, tell me what's going on in Texas at the university level, sir.

[Brian Harrison]

No, and I think it's so important what you highlighted there at the top. What are the stakes right now? What are we in a battle for? And the reality is we're in a battle for nothing less than the future of Western civilization, The ideas of the American Revolution, of freedom, of individual liberty, of self governance. And here's what's perhaps the most infuriating and frustrating thing about all this right now, isn't that they're going to beat us with organic forces because there's more of them on the left than there are of those of us on the right. They're going to defeat us on the current trends. Now, I think we can stop this, but. But if they're going to defeat us, it's going to be because of complacency and because of people who are elected Republicans who have the power to stand up and stop it, choosing not to. And Texas is the line in the sand. The Texas ethos of freedom and liberty and westward expansion and, and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and believing in God and having faith in family and freedom. We should be the tip of the spear on this. And instead of that, it's not just this organic woke mind virus, as Elon called this leftism, this progressivism, socialism, this Marxism. It's not just infecting the minds of the next generation organically or because the idea is superior to what our founders believed in, but because weak establishment so called Republicans are taxing 30 million Texans out of their home to fund literally everything that Charlie Kirk dedicated his life to defending. And this includes highly dangerous transgender indoctrination. It came out yesterday. The school you have Greg Abbott's talking to Big game. Oh, I got a kid expelled from Texas State University. Texas State University. But what he's not telling you is his regents right now at Texas State University have an entire course on transgender resistance, on transgender justice we're training at taxpayer expense, possibly the next generation of domestic terrorists and of trans assassins. Texas A and M University, my alma mater. I love Texas A and M. Greg Abbott's regents hired a leftist, progressive, former Barack Obama official to be the president. And over the summer, when a brave conservative student stood up and objected in her children's literature class to being forcibly indoctrinated in extreme transgender ideology, including the gender unicorn, she was kicked out of class by this Marxist professor told never to return. And when President Welsh at Texas A and M University found out about it, we got him on undercover audio. He mocked the student, he berated the student. Instead of cleaning house and firing the department head, he chose to engage in a cover up, threatened the student, berate her, and quite frankly, if elected Republicans in Texas clear out the rot, the deadwood, the people that are forcing this woke mind virus cancer onto the next generation of Texans, shame on them. Governor Abbott should have fired President Welsh and every other leftist indoctrinator in every other public university in Texas. And quite frankly, he should have done it 10 years ago. The battle is on for the future. And there are elected so called Republicans who have it within their power right now to stand up and stop it. And they're choosing not to. And I'm going to continue exposing it. And we need the posse guys more than more than ever now on this.

[Steve Bannon]

One, Harrison, the social media, particularly your Twitter feed, is on fire. It's kind of the Associated Press of Texas news about this battle for Western civilization. Where do folks go?

[Brian Harrison]

Well, sadly, it's the only place to find out about the truth about the corruption in Austin. Brian E. Harrison on X. Ryan E. Harrison. Brian E. Harrison on hex, on X. Light up the so called Republican governorship in the state of Texas. Greg Abbott and the Texas A and M University Regents. Fire President Welsh. Fire every other liberal indoctrinator that's put poisoning the minds of the next generation.

[Steve Bannon]

Brian Harrison, thank you. You're a warrior. Thank you, sir.

[Brian Harrison]

God bless you, Steve.

[Steve Bannon]

God bless Tommy Robinson. They called Tommy Robinson 10 years ago, Tommy Robinson. Like they said the other day you couldn't mention his name or you'd be banned. Ben Harno will tell you that. Who's fighting more for Western civilization? King Charles. And look, I love the pageantry of it, the history of it. President Trump does. It's a great day over there for President Trump and folks in the, you know, in the United States, but we gotta. There is a battle, a war for Western civilization right now. And a street thug, one of these lads, they call him the soccer lads. Tommy Robinson in and out of jail because he's been fighting it. The Islamic, the radical Islamic movement taking over London. Right. Why is President Trump not in London? Why is he out in Windsor? Got to ask the question, why is he doing it at Checkers? Why is he not going in and doing, going to Parliament? Why? Because they know there'd be huge riots down there. Why? Because they're close to civil war. Why? Because they've allowed their country to be taken over. Siddiq Khan is sitting there trashing, just saying, oh, everybody showed up on Sunday, was on Saturday with just white nationalists. Mitchell, you've got some polling that's pretty shocking. Tell American people. What does the American people say right now about this assassination and violence in the country?

[Mark Mitchell]

Yeah, let me say I'm half English too. It breaks my heart. I still train my kids with the longbow on Sundays. I bet most Englanders don't even know what that means. Yeah, you, you put me onto this. You told me to read the Fourth Turning and it opened my eyes to a lot of stuff and I think we're in the ecpyrosis phase. And I've been looking for signs that institutions are finally crumbling and American society is going to wake up and correct these problems itself. It's almost like Trump was elected and a weight was collectively lifted off of people who aren't Republican, aren't conservative, but just want a return to normalcy. They want their government back. They don't want this spending orgy, they don't want to have their throats slit on public Transit. Those are the people that voted for Donald Trump. And the second he got into office, right direction shot up through the roof. It was the highest in our polling. It's still above 40%. It's been there. I mean, it's just absolutely, incredibly record breaking. How many weeks has it been before Donald Trump? The other biggest string we had was seven weeks in a row, and that was also during Trump's first presidency. And so America was happy. And I think the problem is, is that we're starting to realize now that there are just some things that are too big for Donald Trump to fix. And history tells us that who fixes those problems, society demands those problems to be fixed. And when that happens, it usually comes with a very rapid change in public opinion, which is why I'm looking and why I'm trying to ask questions and measure this stuff. And I think we got a big one. You brought it up to me. I think this is absolutely huge. How concerned are you about political violence in America? 69% very concerned. That's more than inflation, by the way. 21% somewhat concerned. So that's like everybody. 90% concern. I've never seen a 90 handle ever on any concern about an issue ever. So all of America is paying attention. They probably, most of them don't know who Charlie Kirk was. They are all incredibly concerned about political violence now. And Democrats are actually more very concerned than Republicans. 74% very concerned. 66% of Republicans. But for both of them, it's like 90%. Everybody, every age, race, color, creed, I mean, everyone. Recently a gunman in Utah shot and killed conservative activist Charlie Kirk. How likely is it that there will be more political violence in the next few months? 48% very likely. 37% somewhat. So that's 80, 85%. Including 87% of Democrats. 87% of Republicans, more Democrats than Republicans say it's very likely. That's a really bad signal. Like literally everybody agrees that this is coming. Only 1% say there it's not at all likely. There are going to be more political killings. But then the big one, Trump, the day after the Charlie Kirk assassination went on Fox and Friends and had a great quote. So we poll tested it. It's long past time for all Americans and the media to confront the fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequences of demonizing those with whom you disagree day after day, year after year, in the most hateful and despicable way possible. So Trump was calling, blaming the media. 86% agree.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Congressman Goldman]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

[Steve Bannon]

You talk about Texas. So that's the juxtaposition. Today we have the pomp and ceremony in London and we had Tommy Robinson on the streets with over, what, one or two million Britons and they're showing the flag of St George or the Union Jack all over. That's their patriotism. It's to save that pomp and circumstance, that ceremony. If we don't fight, that's all going to collapse. You'll never see that again. The great customs and norms of Western civilization. See what's happening in Texas. If you know how Texas was founded and built, it's unbelievable. It's one of the most incredible stories the American Western. Those of you who've had a chance, or if you have not, one of the best things you can ever do is get in a car, take the kids, just go for. So just take a couple weeks and drive on. The vastness of the west, how it was developed, it's just extraordinary. It's breathtaking. Patriot Mobile, the folks down there, Glenn story and the Team 972 Patriot talk to an American citizen today and do the switch. You know what they're doing to fight for the country. Now it's time for you to get access to the best phone service out there, bar None. Patriot Mobile 972 Patriot use Bannon. You get a free month. You get a free month of service promo co Bannon. Do it today. Mark Mitchell, your polling is extraordinary. Can you give us your closing thoughts, sir? And where do people get you your coordinates?

[Mark Mitchell]

I think things are heating up. I think they're changing fast. 86% of the country agrees that this was caused by political rhetoric, even a majority of Democrats. There are going to be a flood of Republican registrants. Now, my call to John Thune and Mike Johnson is give these people a reason to vote for you, not just prayer vigils. I think Americans want actions. And I think if Trump can't fix this, then the fourth turning tells us that society is going to fix us. I hope people can come. Follow me at Honest Pollster on Twitter Rasmussenpole. And we also do videos on YouTube. Rasmussenpole.

[Steve Bannon]

Now you've inspired me. I think what we got to do is have a whole hour, maybe an evening show, the 5 and 6 o', clock, to talk about the fourth turning and how it, how, why we're in it, what is it and what it all means. So, Mark, thank you so much. Thank you for taking the time today to join us for the show. Tire show.

[Mark Mitchell]

Great to be here. Thanks so much.

[Steve Bannon]

Get his stuff. He's not just one of the best pollsters out there, one of the smartest guys around. Mike Lindell. It now is quite obvious that they put the records out that the FBI, the reason they got your phone is because of the work you as a patriot did to try to combat the big steal of, you know, the big steal of the election of 2020. And like for Marco Rubio, you know, Marco Rubio now got us. We're close to going to war down in Venezuela and he's yelling and screaming at these people. You can't say Maduro's a president because he, he's not elected. He stole his election, bro. I don't exactly remember you at the front lines with us. Fixed bayonets when, when Biden stole the 2020 election. Exact same thing. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. So I don't want to hear every yelling and screaming about Madara, who is a super bad guy, but don't tell me he's illegitimate because, yes, it was stolen down there when you weren't with us on the big enchilada, the one that mattered. Biden stealing it. And Mike Lindell was. And that's why they came after him, to destroy his company, destroy his employees, and destroy him personally. And and put him in prison along with Peter Navarro, Stephen K. Bannon, Tom Barrack, and potentially Donald J. Trump and Mike Lindell. What do you got for us, brother?

[Mike Lindell]

Yeah, it was over, Steve. It was the FBI, the DOJ and four other agencies. It all came out yesterday, everybody. It was under the code name Arctic Frost. You guys can google that right now. They went after Turning Point. Charlie Kirk, Rudy Giuliani, I mean, you name it, they're on there. But one company's on there and it's my pillow and mypillow's banks. So they went after where I banked. Everybody remember when MyPillow got debanked not once but twice? This is all. It was all a planned attack. And they attacked me because I wanted to secure our elections. I spoke out about the 2020 stolen election. And so what does my pillow had to endure? Not just lawfare from voting machine companies, but attacked by our own government. Steve. It's absolutely despicable.

[Steve Bannon]

Mike. We got to keep the company going. The way we do that is sell these amazing products that you have. What do you got for us today, Warren? Posse. This has been a tough show. We've been going before Capitol Hill to London and people, hey, they're ready to fight the war on. Posse is not going to back down. They understand we're in a fourth turning. Our institutions are collapsing before us and they're going to fight to the bitter end. And the bitter end here is going to be victory, sir.

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