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Episode 4794: Dr Savage Shines Light More To Utah Assasination

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Sat Sep 20 2025

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Summary

Bannon’s War Room Episode 4794

Title: Dr Savage Shines Light More To Utah Assassination
Date: September 20, 2025

Overview

This episode convenes leading voices on the right—including Steve Bannon, Dr. Michael Savage, Dr. Peter Navarro, and Dr. Dave Brat—to process the political shockwaves following the assassination of conservative leader Charlie Kirk in Utah. The discussion explores skepticism about the official narrative, the fragility of trust in America’s institutions, the strategic direction of the conservative movement, border/national identity, and personal experiences with political repression. The episode serves both as a wakeup call and a call to action for “accountability” in the face of coordinated political, legal, and cultural attacks.

Main Themes

The Controversial Assassination of Charlie Kirk: Profound questions and conspiracy theories.
Critique of Institutional Narratives: Skepticism about law enforcement, government, and media portrayal.
The State of the Conservative Movement: Calls for unity, strategy, and vigilance against perceived suppression.
Borders, Language, Culture: Revisiting Dr. Savage’s foundational framework for American identity.
Personal Sacrifice and Warnings: Dr. Navarro’s prison experience as symbolic of broader attacks.
Reflections on Legacy: Charlie Kirk’s influence and the movement in his wake.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Federal Reserve and Treasury Debate

[00:29] News clip features Bannon’s interview proposing that Scott Besant become both Treasury Secretary and Fed Chair:

“I am a big believer that on an interim basis, that Scott Besson should be both the head of the Federal Reserve and the Secretary of Treasury…” —Steve Bannon (00:29)
[04:08] Dr. Navarro and Dr. Savage debate the legitimacy and implications of overlapping economic roles.
- Dr. Navarro: “I think that’s genius, actually…If nothing else, they’re going to let the Left’s head totally explode.” (04:00)

2. Trade, Tariffs, and Supreme Court Uncertainty

[05:58] Navarro stresses the power and necessity of Trump-era tariffs, warning of catastrophe if the Court denies Trump’s authority:

“If the Supreme Court chooses not to support his AIPA powers, it’s going to be a catastrophe…[Tariffs are] a get out of debt jail free card…” —Dr. Peter Navarro (06:35–09:05)

3. Political Persecution and Personal Cost

[11:20] Navarro connects ongoing prosecutions of MAGA figures to asymmetrical political warfare:

“The left is doing to us what we don’t do to them. And I went to prison so you won’t have to…If they can come for me, Bannon, Donald Trump…they can come for you.” —Dr. Peter Navarro (11:20–13:40)
[14:20] On accountability as the “sixth stage of grief”:

“If we don’t hold these people accountable for all the things that they’re doing to us, then they’re just going to keep doing it again.” —Dr. Peter Navarro (11:20)

4. Remembering Charlie Kirk & The Utah Assassination

[17:09] Emotional tribute to Kirk:

“When America needed a hero, God sent us a Charlie Kirk.” —Listener/Family Statement Quoted by Steve Bannon (17:09)

5. Dr. Savage Dissects the Assassination Narrative

[22:05] – [24:02] Savage raises deep skepticism over official details—technical weapons inconsistencies, AI-generated text messages, staged evidence:

“Something’s very wrong with what I just heard… I don’t believe a word of it… The government is lying to us.” —Dr. Michael Savage (22:05)

“The waters are so muddied right now that it would take a diver with an acetylene torch to get into the wreck and pull out the corpse. I have no idea, Steve, what the hell is going on.” —Dr. Michael Savage (24:02)
Points out social media analysis indicating possible AI-written communications between the alleged assassin and roommate (24:35).
Emphasizes the generational importance of Kirk as a leader:

“They killed the leader of the next generation of patriots.” —Dr. Michael Savage (25:41)

6. Distrust in Institutions & The Need for Accountability

[35:53] Bannon, reflecting audience sentiment:

“We need to get to the bottom of this. We need accountability. We need to know exactly what happened here because nothing makes sense…” —Steve Bannon
[36:37] Savage, frustrated with opacity:

“I don’t have any inside information. I use plain native intelligence… none of it adds up that this kid did it on his own.” —Dr. Michael Savage

7. “Borders, Language, Culture”—Savage’s Legacy

[31:24–34:41] Dr. Savage unpacks his long-running slogan:

“A nation is defined by its borders, language, and culture. Now, there’s not a nation on Earth...that should not be defined by its borders, language, and culture. That is exactly why the internationalists have gone after our borders and every border on the planet.” —Dr. Michael Savage (32:00)
- Warns that culture, not “trans dance in the first grade,” means founding principles—the Constitution, the Bill of Rights.
- Expresses fear there is no successor to Trump capable of upholding these principles.

8. Loss of Faith in American Institutions

[35:53–38:42] Bannon and Savage connect American skepticism to a legacy of unsolved political assassinations and institutional coverups (JFK, MLK, etc.)

9. Why Dr. Savage is Banned from the UK

[40:34–43:06] Savage reveals details of being banned from Britain—claims he was scapegoated over comments twisted by the media and political adversaries.

“Inside the Democrat Party, they communicated with the then secretary…they made me the same equal to Russian skinheads...Hamas terrorists…Who would say a thing like [‘Kill 100 million Muslims’]? I didn’t.” —Dr. Michael Savage (42:46)

10. Reflections on Charlie Kirk’s Legacy & The Movement’s Future

[46:50] Dr. Brat links the Kirk assassination to a long string of unsolved or suspicious attacks on American leaders, reiterates the importance of the foundational values (Adam Smith vs. Marx).

Notable Quotes & Moments

[11:20] Dr. Peter Navarro: “The book If I May—I Went to Prison So You Won’t Have To—is really a wake up call to the American people that this war against MAGA, against Trump, against all of us, Steve, on our side of the fence...is an asymmetrical war...”
[22:05] Dr. Michael Savage: “I know I shouldn’t do this. I’m risking an awful lot to go up against this FBI, the MAGA FBI. Something’s very wrong with what I just heard...I don’t believe a word of it.”
[32:00] Dr. Michael Savage: “A nation is defined by its borders, language, and culture...That is exactly why the internationalists have gone after our borders and every border on the planet.”
[35:53] Steve Bannon: “Because nothing makes sense. The videos don’t make sense. The text messages are an insult to people’s intelligence—a brazen insult...”
[46:16] Dr. Michael Savage: “Trump can only be in office for a maximum...number of years, right? Then his administration’s over...there’s only one Trump and there’s no one to replace him that I can see.”

Timestamps for Key Segments

00:29–01:57 — Exclusive Bannon interview with Sean Spicer on Scott Besant/Fed debate
05:58–10:14 — Navarro on the economy, tariffs, and Supreme Court
11:20–14:32 — Navarro: “I went to prison so you won’t have to,” political persecution
22:05–27:53 — Dr. Savage’s viral clip critiquing the Utah assassination narrative
31:24–34:41 — Savage’s “Borders, Language, Culture” and its origins
40:34–43:06 — Savage on being banned from the UK
46:50–48:23 — Dr. Dave Brat: The meaning of Kirk’s death and threats to the republic

How to Connect with the Guests

Dr. Michael Savage:
X (Twitter) @ASavageNation / Podcast: MichaelSavage.com (~500 episodes)

“Talk to God. He knows where I’ve come from and where I’m going…but I’m on X at a Savage Nation. My podcast is the Savage Nation podcast.” (45:01)
Dr. Peter Navarro:
peternavarro.substack.com / Book: I Went to Prison So You Won’t Have To (Amazon)

“Go to Amazon right now, buy I Went to Prison So You Won’t Have To—get the book out. We have to get the message out.” (20:41)

Tone and Takeaways

The tone is urgent, defiant, and conspiratorial—a mix of nostalgia for foundational principles and anger at perceived lawlessness and coverup. Bannon’s War Room is depicted as the informational nerve center amid establishment betrayal; the message is one of vigilance, unity, and exigency as the conservative movement processes both a martyrdom and an ongoing campaign against its ranks.

For more:

Watch full Charlie Kirk commemorative coverage and related discussions on Real America’s Voice and follow the War Room for continuing updates.

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Transcript

Steve Bannon (0:00)

DC Eamon Javors has this latest.

Melissa (0:02)

Eamonn Melissa, CNBC has obtained a clip exclusively of an interview with former White House adviser Steve Bannon. The interview is conducted by Sean Spicer, who's of course the former press secretary for Donald Trump in his first term. In this interview, Bannon makes a provocative suggestion about the future of Scott Besant, who's the treasury secretary, and whether or not he should have a role as at the Fed. Here's what he says.

Steve Bannon (0:29)

I am a big believer that on an interim basis, that Scott Besson should be both the head of the Federal Reserve and the Secretary of Treasury, and maybe get through the midterm elections, step down as treasury and take over the Federal Reserve.

Melissa (0:41)

Now, that full interview is going to air at 6pm on Sean Spicer's podcast on YouTube. But in that you see Spicer discussing this with Ben and we should note, of course, neither one of those men is a current White House official. Both of them retain significant relationships here inside the building. And so this idea that Scott Besant should be both the treasury secretary and the chairman of the Federal Reserve after Jay Powell is clearly an idea that's going to get some traction inside this building. Whether it will be embraced by this building is a different question entirely. We'll ask White House officials what they think of that idea. Scott Besant himself has said he does not want to be Fed chair. He's happy in the job that he's in. The president said in August that he was taking Besant off the list of candidates for the Fed because Besson told him he wants to stay at Treasuries. So this idea, though, that he could have a dual hat obviously will raise a lot of concerns among people who are very focused on the idea of Fed independence. The idea that you could have a Treasury secretary simultaneously running the Fed will be controversial in those circles. Guys, the whole interview, as I say, on 6pm tonight on YouTube, but that is the gist of the comments there from Bannon, who says he likes the.

Steve Bannon (1:57)

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Christians not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that, but I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

Dr. Michael Savage (2:19)

And where do people like that go.

Dr. Peter Navarro (2:20)

Dr. Peter Navarro (5:58)

Well, the uk, I mean, look there. I think per capita income is below that of Mississippi. I mean, it's, it's really low and it's all because of the illegal immigration. And, you know, we knew kind of why Brexit came along. Let me say that, Let me make a comment about this Federal Reserve thing. It's like there's two really things you got to do there. You got to figure out where short term interest rates are and then there's this much, much heavier lift about sorting out how to undo the balance sheet, which got screwed up. Start going back to the 2007 Great Recession. As far as the first thing, Steve, I mean, look, you don't need to do anything essentially to set interest rates other than to read the paper every day. I mean, that's the easiest job in the world. It's like there's nothing mystical about that. They can dress it all up they want in data, but I mean, that could be a side job to a shy job. I could have done that when I was a professor, UC Irvine, done it out there and make a phone call on the day they're setting race and say, put it at this. So Scotty is like he could do that in his sleep. With respect to the court case, let me just say I agree 110% with Donald Trump, that if the Supreme Court chooses not to support his AIPA powers, it's going to be a catastrophe for this country. Because what we've learned, Steve, from the Trump tariffs this time around is two things. One is that they are highly successful in defending this country against unfair trade and bringing in investment here to onshore, our factories and jobs. I mean, we're at $17 trillion so far in an investment, and that's bigger than the GDP of virtually most other countries around the world. On an annual basis. I mean, it's just huge. As I've said before the court case, the appeal that was rejected at the appeals court level was a political decision. The seven people who voted against the president, six of them were Democrats. It was a poorly written decision and stands in sharp contrast to the really thoughtful dissent by four of the judges led by this guy named Toronto. And it's a roadmap essentially for the Supreme Court to rule in our favor, in America's favor on the key issues, whether or not the tariffs are permanent, which they're not, whether or not you can use tariffs as a form of regulation of imports, which you can by the law, and whether or not it's an emergency with respect to both the fentanyl crisis and with respect to the trade deficit. So let's see what happens. But if the Supreme Court wants to rule in our favor, it will be able to do so firmly grounded in the law. This is not politics anymore. It should not be politics. If we lose the ability to tariff, we're going to not be able to pay down our debt. That's the big epiphany. And there's so much support now on Capitol Hill among people who used to oppose us, particularly on the Republican side, because they understand, yes, it addresses unfair trade, but it's also a get out of debt jail free card that has literally no penalties for the American people. There's no inflation. There's no negative impact in growth. It's just the opposite. So that's Steve. And we're bullish about what's going to happen in October on this.

Dr. Peter Navarro (11:20)

Will be a celebration of Charlie's life. We are doing our grieving, and that's appropriate. I would like to just say that the five stages of grief that we are going through has a sixth stage, and that's accountability. Because if we don't hold these people accountable for all the things that they're doing to us, then they're just going to keep doing it again. And the book, if I may. I went to prison so you won't have to, is really a wake up call to the American people that this war against maga, against Trump, against all of us, Steve, on our side of the fence, which is the flyover country, middle of America, blue collar jobs, it's an asymmetrical war cross on us, Steve. The left is doing to us what we don't do to them. And I went to prison. So you won't have to document the range. You know, it starts with Dan Scavino and Mark Meadows, two folks I worked with in the White House. They didn't go to jail, but they had to pay millions of dollars in legal fees. And then you got John Eastman and Jeff Clark, who were lawyers helping the president, and they're trying to take away their livelihood and bar cards. And then you and me, Steve Mann and Peter Navarro go to prison for defending the constitutional separation of powers. And then Donald Trump, four courts, they try to put him in prison two times. They try to kill him. And now they've assassinated, in the most cowardly way, one of the great young minds and political organizers we've ever seen throughout the history of America. So we have to fight back. And look, the only way I know how to fight back is with the pen. The pen's mightier than the sword. I write books. I try to explain to people what's going on. And people need to understand if they can put you and me in private, they can put all of us in prison. So I went to prison so you won't have to. It was a tagline from my speech at the Republican National Convention. And I was simply like, come on, America, please understand that if they can come for me, Bannon, Donald Trump, and then they took Charlie Kirk out and they go for John Eastman. John, Jeff Clark just run Rudy, America's mayor. They bankrupted that poor man. I mean, that's unforgivable. And they're whining about Jimmy Kimmel.

Dr. Michael Savage (24:02)

Nothing. I don't know any more than anyone else does. It is so muddied. The waters are so muddied right now that it would take a diver with an acetylene torch to get into the wreck and pull out the corpse. I have no idea. Steve, what the hell is going on? The kids said. They say the kid confessed. Right. Okay. Then they. Then they said he's not cooperating. Then he was cooperating, then he wasn't cooperating. Then the messaging between the alleged assassin and his trans roommate, or his transitioning trans roommate, which would make him a trans trans roommate, seem to be very stilted for kids that age. They don't talk that way. If you actually analyze the alleged messaging between the Two of them. It doesn't seem like them. People of their age don't talk that way. In fact, someone did a complete analysis of that conversation, and it seems that it was an AI written text message between the assassin or the alleged assassin and his roommate. Based on style, objective analysis of the text, tone, style, dialogue is formal, with complete sentences, proper punctuation, and no slang emojis or abbreviations typical of young adults texting casually. Someone's actually analyzed this. You know, there are a lot of smart people out there, Steve, who aren't in the government, who listen and watch former intelligence operatives who are retired, who haven't lost their marbles, who are saying something's not right with the picture. But again, how do we know who done it? It's a gigantic whodunit. But does it matter who did it? At this point, the main thing is they killed the leader of the next generation of patriots. Borders, language, culture, conservatives, kids who don't want their country to be taken away from them. Kids who don't want America to become a piece of the EU or like the EU or worse yet, devolve into Ukraine with a war. So something's not adding up. I don't think we're getting the whole truth. But, Steve, again, you know, I live alone out in Northern California. When I say live alone, meaning I work alone, I don't have a crew, I don't have a team. I feed the birds, I ride my bicycle, I go out on my boat, I talk to the pelicans as they fly over my boat. I pray to God several times a day in a very deep manner, trying to reach God and get some residence. It's one man looking in from the outside. I have no answers to this, Steve. I don't know. Truthfully, don't know. And by the way, you said close to President Trump. I wish that were so. He just went to England. I'm still banned from entering England, if you can believe it. And I had sent a request that he at least raise the topic with the great Keith Stormer Crickets. I don't get responses anymore from the White House, Steve. I'm not part of the in crowd. I mean, I wish I were. I flew on Air Force One with the president in the last administration. We shared a hot dog. And he's a great man when you know him. You know him better than I do. He's a kind, gentle man to his friends and very sensitive. And I know when he sees me, I see his eyes. He likes me. But the people around him right now they seem to be a Praetorian guard that's impenetrable. You can't get near him, even those who were instrumental in his rise. You can't get near him unless, I don't know, unless you know, someone in the inner circle protecting him from people like me.

Dr. Michael Savage (31:24)

Thanks, Steve. By the way, thank you for having me on the show. I haven't seen you in years. You look great and you do a great show. Incidentally, just loved seeing Peter on. It was amazing to watch this. So 1994, I began in radio. A few months later, I created a new movement called. Which by. Oh, my goodness. I created. Why do people call me? I created a new movement. I have to shut my phone. I'm sorry, Steve. I created a new movement at the time that predated the MAGA movement. It predated the Tea Party. It was called the Paul Revere Society. We used to get groups together, 2,000 people screaming, patriots. They never heard anything like this in liberal Marin county, in liberal San Francisco, in Oakland. And I had to define what the Paul Revere Society stood for, which was. I said borders, language, culture. It was right on the original cards of the PRs. And I said, a nation is defined by its borders, language and culture. Now, there's not a nation on Earth, whether it be an island nation in the Caribbean, you name it Trinidad, or the United States of America. That is not or should not be defined by its borders, language, and culture. Which is exactly why the internationalists have gone after our borders and every border on the planet. George Soros, open border Society. Open border Society. Are you kidding me? So he went after the borders. He turns us into a polyglot nation, a Tower of Babel, so people don't know what the hell they're talking about, and they can't communicate with each other, and then the elites can manipulate them. And culture. Well, what is our culture? What is our culture? Well, it certainly isn't, let us say, teaching children how to do a trans dance in the first grade. That wouldn't be our culture. Culture would be the founding principles of our nation, which would be the U.S. constitution, the bill of Rights, if you want to just simplify it. And that message resonated with people, Steven, because everybody can relate to blc, borders, language, culture, and in Europe. Look at Europe. Look what's going on in Europe because of the elites, how they've destroyed every European nation with people from Africa, people from the Middle east who are raping their way across the continent living on welfare. It's shocking to see the people being so suppressed with almost no reaction. You were talking before about the people reacting, I think, to Peter. And Peter said he uses the pen. He's right. The pen is mightier than the sword. Until you're thrown into a prison cell and denied basic human rights, then the pen is worthless. That's the problem, Steve, and I don't know how far we're going to go. Here's what worries me the most. I mean, I'm just, you know, rapping with you right now. Trump can only be in office for a maximum number, couple of years, right? Then his administration's over, correct, Steve? Am I with you? I don't even know.

Dr. Michael Savage (40:34)

This was a book written when I was banned in 09. It's been almost 20 years. 15, 20 years. I don't know how long I am still banned from Britain for things I said and did not say. And the fact of the matter is, it was a grave injustice. It still is a grave injustice. I reached out to President Trump before the trip saying, please talk to Starmer about getting this man off the list. Never heard any. Anything back from the individual that I texted, actually sent the whole file to. And I spent $400,000 at the time to get my name off the list. I was told, you will never get your name off the list. You can't fight a government. I felt point blank, no one has ever successfully fought a government and won in a court, in a court of law. Well, we got text, we got emails back and forth from then Prime Minister Gordon Brown. And Gordon Brown said, we have to balance the list. Meaning there's enough Muslim terrorists on the list who are not permitted to enter England. We gotta balance the list. So let's find an American Jew to put the tail on the donkey. That was me. See how they balance the list. And this came from within the United States of America. We traced it back. I can't name names because we're not sure. Inside the Democrat Party, they communicated with the then secretary of whoever, Jackie Smith, and they made me the same equal to Russian skinheads who had killed people in the streets, Hamas terrorists who had beaten the brains out of children, Jewish children on buses. How did that happen? That a talk show host who, if he said anything like that, would have been thrown off the air before he finished the words. He would have been bl. I never said those things that they accused me of. You know what I said that got them crazy. I said, what's going to happen if England becomes an Islamic country and they get a nuclear bomb? Would you rather see 100 million of us killed or 100 million of them killed? So they twisted it. The Jake Tappers, the Wolf Blitzers and people like that in the media jumped down my throat and said, Savage said, Kill 100 million Muslims. I never said that. I was using an analysis saying, wait a minute, Europe's becoming Islamist. This was 15 years ago. I saw what was happening and I said, wait till they take over a country with nuclear weapons like France or England and they get a nuclear weapon. I said, would you rather 100 million of them die or 100 million of us die? So they twisted that to me saying, kill 100 million Muslims. Who would say a thing like that? I didn't.