Episode 4794: Dr Savage Shines Light More To Utah Assasination

Summary

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Bannon’s War Room Episode 4794

Title: Dr Savage Shines Light More To Utah Assassination
Date: September 20, 2025

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Overview

This episode convenes leading voices on the right—including Steve Bannon, Dr. Michael Savage, Dr. Peter Navarro, and Dr. Dave Brat—to process the political shockwaves following the assassination of conservative leader Charlie Kirk in Utah. The discussion explores skepticism about the official narrative, the fragility of trust in America’s institutions, the strategic direction of the conservative movement, border/national identity, and personal experiences with political repression. The episode serves both as a wakeup call and a call to action for “accountability” in the face of coordinated political, legal, and cultural attacks.

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Main Themes

• The Controversial Assassination of Charlie Kirk: Profound questions and conspiracy theories.
• Critique of Institutional Narratives: Skepticism about law enforcement, government, and media portrayal.
• The State of the Conservative Movement: Calls for unity, strategy, and vigilance against perceived suppression.
• Borders, Language, Culture: Revisiting Dr. Savage’s foundational framework for American identity.
• Personal Sacrifice and Warnings: Dr. Navarro’s prison experience as symbolic of broader attacks.
• Reflections on Legacy: Charlie Kirk’s influence and the movement in his wake.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Federal Reserve and Treasury Debate

• [00:29] News clip features Bannon’s interview proposing that Scott Besant become both Treasury Secretary and Fed Chair:

  “I am a big believer that on an interim basis, that Scott Besson should be both the head of the Federal Reserve and the Secretary of Treasury…” —Steve Bannon (00:29)

• [04:08] Dr. Navarro and Dr. Savage debate the legitimacy and implications of overlapping economic roles.

  • Dr. Navarro: “I think that’s genius, actually…If nothing else, they’re going to let the Left’s head totally explode.” (04:00)

2. Trade, Tariffs, and Supreme Court Uncertainty

• [05:58] Navarro stresses the power and necessity of Trump-era tariffs, warning of catastrophe if the Court denies Trump’s authority:

  “If the Supreme Court chooses not to support his AIPA powers, it’s going to be a catastrophe…[Tariffs are] a get out of debt jail free card…” —Dr. Peter Navarro (06:35–09:05)

3. Political Persecution and Personal Cost

• [11:20] Navarro connects ongoing prosecutions of MAGA figures to asymmetrical political warfare:

  “The left is doing to us what we don’t do to them. And I went to prison so you won’t have to…If they can come for me, Bannon, Donald Trump…they can come for you.” —Dr. Peter Navarro (11:20–13:40)

• [14:20] On accountability as the “sixth stage of grief”:

  “If we don’t hold these people accountable for all the things that they’re doing to us, then they’re just going to keep doing it again.” —Dr. Peter Navarro (11:20)

4. Remembering Charlie Kirk & The Utah Assassination

• [17:09] Emotional tribute to Kirk:

  “When America needed a hero, God sent us a Charlie Kirk.” —Listener/Family Statement Quoted by Steve Bannon (17:09)

5. Dr. Savage Dissects the Assassination Narrative

• [22:05] – [24:02] Savage raises deep skepticism over official details—technical weapons inconsistencies, AI-generated text messages, staged evidence:

  “Something’s very wrong with what I just heard… I don’t believe a word of it… The government is lying to us.” —Dr. Michael Savage (22:05)

  “The waters are so muddied right now that it would take a diver with an acetylene torch to get into the wreck and pull out the corpse. I have no idea, Steve, what the hell is going on.” —Dr. Michael Savage (24:02)

• Points out social media analysis indicating possible AI-written communications between the alleged assassin and roommate (24:35).

• Emphasizes the generational importance of Kirk as a leader:

  “They killed the leader of the next generation of patriots.” —Dr. Michael Savage (25:41)

6. Distrust in Institutions & The Need for Accountability

• [35:53] Bannon, reflecting audience sentiment:

  “We need to get to the bottom of this. We need accountability. We need to know exactly what happened here because nothing makes sense…” —Steve Bannon

• [36:37] Savage, frustrated with opacity:

  “I don’t have any inside information. I use plain native intelligence… none of it adds up that this kid did it on his own.” —Dr. Michael Savage

7. “Borders, Language, Culture”—Savage’s Legacy

• [31:24–34:41] Dr. Savage unpacks his long-running slogan:

  “A nation is defined by its borders, language, and culture. Now, there’s not a nation on Earth...that should not be defined by its borders, language, and culture. That is exactly why the internationalists have gone after our borders and every border on the planet.” —Dr. Michael Savage (32:00)

  • Warns that culture, not “trans dance in the first grade,” means founding principles—the Constitution, the Bill of Rights.
  • Expresses fear there is no successor to Trump capable of upholding these principles.

8. Loss of Faith in American Institutions

• [35:53–38:42] Bannon and Savage connect American skepticism to a legacy of unsolved political assassinations and institutional coverups (JFK, MLK, etc.)

9. Why Dr. Savage is Banned from the UK

• [40:34–43:06] Savage reveals details of being banned from Britain—claims he was scapegoated over comments twisted by the media and political adversaries.

  “Inside the Democrat Party, they communicated with the then secretary…they made me the same equal to Russian skinheads...Hamas terrorists…Who would say a thing like [‘Kill 100 million Muslims’]? I didn’t.” —Dr. Michael Savage (42:46)

10. Reflections on Charlie Kirk’s Legacy & The Movement’s Future

• [46:50] Dr. Brat links the Kirk assassination to a long string of unsolved or suspicious attacks on American leaders, reiterates the importance of the foundational values (Adam Smith vs. Marx).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• [11:20] Dr. Peter Navarro: “The book If I May—I Went to Prison So You Won’t Have To—is really a wake up call to the American people that this war against MAGA, against Trump, against all of us, Steve, on our side of the fence...is an asymmetrical war...”

• [22:05] Dr. Michael Savage: “I know I shouldn’t do this. I’m risking an awful lot to go up against this FBI, the MAGA FBI. Something’s very wrong with what I just heard...I don’t believe a word of it.”

• [32:00] Dr. Michael Savage: “A nation is defined by its borders, language, and culture...That is exactly why the internationalists have gone after our borders and every border on the planet.”

• [35:53] Steve Bannon: “Because nothing makes sense. The videos don’t make sense. The text messages are an insult to people’s intelligence—a brazen insult...”

• [46:16] Dr. Michael Savage: “Trump can only be in office for a maximum...number of years, right? Then his administration’s over...there’s only one Trump and there’s no one to replace him that I can see.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:29–01:57 — Exclusive Bannon interview with Sean Spicer on Scott Besant/Fed debate
• 05:58–10:14 — Navarro on the economy, tariffs, and Supreme Court
• 11:20–14:32 — Navarro: “I went to prison so you won’t have to,” political persecution
• 22:05–27:53 — Dr. Savage’s viral clip critiquing the Utah assassination narrative
• 31:24–34:41 — Savage’s “Borders, Language, Culture” and its origins
• 40:34–43:06 — Savage on being banned from the UK
• 46:50–48:23 — Dr. Dave Brat: The meaning of Kirk’s death and threats to the republic

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How to Connect with the Guests

• Dr. Michael Savage:
  X (Twitter) @ASavageNation / Podcast: MichaelSavage.com (~500 episodes)

  “Talk to God. He knows where I’ve come from and where I’m going…but I’m on X at a Savage Nation. My podcast is the Savage Nation podcast.” (45:01)

• Dr. Peter Navarro:
  peternavarro.substack.com / Book: I Went to Prison So You Won’t Have To (Amazon)

  “Go to Amazon right now, buy I Went to Prison So You Won’t Have To—get the book out. We have to get the message out.” (20:41)

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Tone and Takeaways

The tone is urgent, defiant, and conspiratorial—a mix of nostalgia for foundational principles and anger at perceived lawlessness and coverup. Bannon’s War Room is depicted as the informational nerve center amid establishment betrayal; the message is one of vigilance, unity, and exigency as the conservative movement processes both a martyrdom and an ongoing campaign against its ranks.

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For more:

• Watch full Charlie Kirk commemorative coverage and related discussions on Real America’s Voice and follow the War Room for continuing updates.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

DC Eamon Javors has this latest.

[Melissa]

Eamonn Melissa, CNBC has obtained a clip exclusively of an interview with former White House adviser Steve Bannon. The interview is conducted by Sean Spicer, who's of course the former press secretary for Donald Trump in his first term. In this interview, Bannon makes a provocative suggestion about the future of Scott Besant, who's the treasury secretary, and whether or not he should have a role as at the Fed. Here's what he says.

[Steve Bannon]

I am a big believer that on an interim basis, that Scott Besson should be both the head of the Federal Reserve and the Secretary of Treasury, and maybe get through the midterm elections, step down as treasury and take over the Federal Reserve.

[Melissa]

Now, that full interview is going to air at 6pm on Sean Spicer's podcast on YouTube. But in that you see Spicer discussing this with Ben and we should note, of course, neither one of those men is a current White House official. Both of them retain significant relationships here inside the building. And so this idea that Scott Besant should be both the treasury secretary and the chairman of the Federal Reserve after Jay Powell is clearly an idea that's going to get some traction inside this building. Whether it will be embraced by this building is a different question entirely. We'll ask White House officials what they think of that idea. Scott Besant himself has said he does not want to be Fed chair. He's happy in the job that he's in. The president said in August that he was taking Besant off the list of candidates for the Fed because Besson told him he wants to stay at Treasuries. So this idea, though, that he could have a dual hat obviously will raise a lot of concerns among people who are very focused on the idea of Fed independence. The idea that you could have a Treasury secretary simultaneously running the Fed will be controversial in those circles. Guys, the whole interview, as I say, on 6pm tonight on YouTube, but that is the gist of the comments there from Bannon, who says he likes the.

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Christians not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that, but I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Dr. Michael Savage]

And where do people like that go.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

To share the big lie?

[Dr. Michael Savage]

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.

[Steve Bannon]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Dr. Michael Savage]

War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Steve Bannon]

It's Saturday, the 20th of September in the year of our Lord 2025. Thank you for sticking around for the second hour of the Saturday morning edition of the War Room. You know, it's our favorite show of the week. We can actually get into some topics in, in more depth. I think it's the first time I our record keeping here, sometimes a little loosey goosey, but I think it's the first time we've ever had at least on the Saturday show. But I think anytime an hour where we have three doctors and I mean like PhD heavyweight intellectuals, that would be Dr. Dave Bratt, Dr. Peter Navarro and Dr. Michael Savage are joining us here momentarily. And Brad, I think your doctorate is not in theology. You may have a sidebar or a side deal in theology, but you actually have a doctorate in economics also, right?

[Dr. Dave Brat]

Yeah, Master's Divinity, PhD Economics.

[Steve Bannon]

Fantastic. And of course, Dr. Navarro joins us now, has his doctorate from, from Harvard, but didn't damage him too much. Too much. Peter, give us your assessment. I'll keep you out of the Fed treasury debate.

[Dr. Michael Savage]

No, no, no, no.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

I wanted that that would did you come up with that? I think that's genius, actually. Think it's genius.

[Dr. Michael Savage]

And for nothing else to let the.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

Left'S head totally explode. I mean, we've got Steven Mirren essentially doing the same kind of thing. I, you know, I'm thinking about that. That's kind of, kind of interesting. So if nothing else, they're going to.

[Steve Bannon]

Be the toast with Sean brother. Well, as you remember, Peter, because you were down in Marlon, you and Mar? A Lago in the transition and it had Elon and Lutnick in the war room in Besson. And our pitch at the time is that the president had people like yourself, people he had worked with on these policies. And we were trying to give a heads up that you're going to totally reorganize the global trading system around America first and that you needed a Treasury now more than ever, someone that could take President Trump and your guys policies, explain it to Wall street and to the world's capital markets and the world's finance ministers and be a safe pair of hands. I think Scott has done that in spades. Of course, he's taken over some of the negotiations, some of these deals. Just where do we stand with that? Because I think that A lot of questions about the American economy. Now, I see a lot of positive things here. The big beautiful bill is about to kick in, I think, with more of the supply side. But people are kind of on tenterhooks about the Supreme Court and about where they're going to come down on, I guess, your use of emergency powers to drive a lot of the trade deals. Given that the President came back from the UK and it turned out the second day there was much bigger on economics than I thought it was going over there. I didn't think he tossed Starmer a life preserver, which he essentially did. Not that Starmer could, not that even a life preserved by the President could save him. But your thoughts on where we stand, sir?

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

Well, the uk, I mean, look there. I think per capita income is below that of Mississippi. I mean, it's, it's really low and it's all because of the illegal immigration. And, you know, we knew kind of why Brexit came along. Let me say that, Let me make a comment about this Federal Reserve thing. It's like there's two really things you got to do there. You got to figure out where short term interest rates are and then there's this much, much heavier lift about sorting out how to undo the balance sheet, which got screwed up. Start going back to the 2007 Great Recession. As far as the first thing, Steve, I mean, look, you don't need to do anything essentially to set interest rates other than to read the paper every day. I mean, that's the easiest job in the world. It's like there's nothing mystical about that. They can dress it all up they want in data, but I mean, that could be a side job to a shy job. I could have done that when I was a professor, UC Irvine, done it out there and make a phone call on the day they're setting race and say, put it at this. So Scotty is like he could do that in his sleep. With respect to the court case, let me just say I agree 110% with Donald Trump, that if the Supreme Court chooses not to support his AIPA powers, it's going to be a catastrophe for this country. Because what we've learned, Steve, from the Trump tariffs this time around is two things. One is that they are highly successful in defending this country against unfair trade and bringing in investment here to onshore, our factories and jobs. I mean, we're at $17 trillion so far in an investment, and that's bigger than the GDP of virtually most other countries around the world. On an annual basis. I mean, it's just huge. As I've said before the court case, the appeal that was rejected at the appeals court level was a political decision. The seven people who voted against the president, six of them were Democrats. It was a poorly written decision and stands in sharp contrast to the really thoughtful dissent by four of the judges led by this guy named Toronto. And it's a roadmap essentially for the Supreme Court to rule in our favor, in America's favor on the key issues, whether or not the tariffs are permanent, which they're not, whether or not you can use tariffs as a form of regulation of imports, which you can by the law, and whether or not it's an emergency with respect to both the fentanyl crisis and with respect to the trade deficit. So let's see what happens. But if the Supreme Court wants to rule in our favor, it will be able to do so firmly grounded in the law. This is not politics anymore. It should not be politics. If we lose the ability to tariff, we're going to not be able to pay down our debt. That's the big epiphany. And there's so much support now on Capitol Hill among people who used to oppose us, particularly on the Republican side, because they understand, yes, it addresses unfair trade, but it's also a get out of debt jail free card that has literally no penalties for the American people. There's no inflation. There's no negative impact in growth. It's just the opposite. So that's Steve. And we're bullish about what's going to happen in October on this.

[Steve Bannon]

Tim, Tim Cook, or Tim Apple as we refer to him, actually said yesterday, Apple put it out. Officially, there's been no price increase whatsoever on the iPhones because of the tariffs, which is, you know, the Saunders. I got to pivot because we're limited time and I want to get to, I want to talk about your book and about your, your journey. Tomorrow you're going to join us. So the audience knows this. We're going to be live Eastern daylight time from 10:00am to I think 8:00pm from the, from Cardinal Stadium. Studio 6B is going to pick up after that, I believe. But we're going to be there for like about 10 hours to do both the religious service and Charlie's celebration of life. Dr. Navarro will make sure that you can make it up to the, to the, our studio, which will be in Cardinal Stadium, which the real American Voice team is building out right now.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

It'd be good to see you there personally.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, we want to.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

Since you never come to Washington anymore, you kind of leave us here in the deep swamp with a snorkel and, you know, stuff like that.

[Steve Bannon]

But, dude, I got sucked in there for six months.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

Will be a celebration of Charlie's life. We are doing our grieving, and that's appropriate. I would like to just say that the five stages of grief that we are going through has a sixth stage, and that's accountability. Because if we don't hold these people accountable for all the things that they're doing to us, then they're just going to keep doing it again. And the book, if I may. I went to prison so you won't have to, is really a wake up call to the American people that this war against maga, against Trump, against all of us, Steve, on our side of the fence, which is the flyover country, middle of America, blue collar jobs, it's an asymmetrical war cross on us, Steve. The left is doing to us what we don't do to them. And I went to prison. So you won't have to document the range. You know, it starts with Dan Scavino and Mark Meadows, two folks I worked with in the White House. They didn't go to jail, but they had to pay millions of dollars in legal fees. And then you got John Eastman and Jeff Clark, who were lawyers helping the president, and they're trying to take away their livelihood and bar cards. And then you and me, Steve Mann and Peter Navarro go to prison for defending the constitutional separation of powers. And then Donald Trump, four courts, they try to put him in prison two times. They try to kill him. And now they've assassinated, in the most cowardly way, one of the great young minds and political organizers we've ever seen throughout the history of America. So we have to fight back. And look, the only way I know how to fight back is with the pen. The pen's mightier than the sword. I write books. I try to explain to people what's going on. And people need to understand if they can put you and me in private, they can put all of us in prison. So I went to prison so you won't have to. It was a tagline from my speech at the Republican National Convention. And I was simply like, come on, America, please understand that if they can come for me, Bannon, Donald Trump, and then they took Charlie Kirk out and they go for John Eastman. John, Jeff Clark just run Rudy, America's mayor. They bankrupted that poor man. I mean, that's unforgivable. And they're whining about Jimmy Kimmel.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on a second. You're coming out tomorrow. You're coming out tomorrow at the Washington contingent. Rudy, who we tried to make. We tried. We. We tried. We tried to get Rudy out there because of his injury in this car accident.

[Mike Lindell]

He's.

[Steve Bannon]

He. And he's going to join us for the broadcast. So we'll have the mayor on. We'll have Peter live, many of the personages live. I'm going to ask Dr. Navarro, stick around for a just a minute or two on the other side to talk about. We've got a whole schedule of activity with Dr. Navarro that we want you to make sure you get into your calendar. Dr. Savage, Dr. Brett, Dr. Navarro, next in the war room. According to the Department of Energy, blackouts could increase by 10,000% over the next few years. It's because of massive energy demand from artificial intelligence data centers. We talk about that all the time here in the war room. And we have a fragile power grid. It just cannot keep up with that demand. I don't know about you, but I don't like the idea of being without power even for a day. That's why I got the grid. Dr. 3300 from my patriot supply. It's a powerful solar generator that runs refrigerators, AC units, medical devices, power tools, anything you need to ride out of blackout. And right now, for their Christmas in July event, they're including over $1,000 in free survival gear with your generator, including emergency food supply, water filtration, survival tubes, and more. You heard that, right. Over 1,000 bucks in free gear for a limited time. Head to my Patriotsupply.com Bannon that's my Patriotsupply.com Bannon and grab the Christmas in July bundle before it's gone. Blackouts are coming. Go to my Patriotsupply.com Bannon and get prepared.

[Dr. Dave Brat]

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[Dr. Peter Navarro]

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[Steve Bannon]

What are you waiting for?

[Mike Lindell]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Dr. Michael Savage]

That's right. You can follow all of your favorites. Steve Bannon, Charlie Kirk, Jack Posobi and so many more.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Narrator/Announcer]

This Sunday, real America's voice pauses to honor a Patriot whose voice carried a movement. Rav presents to Charlie Kirk a legacy remembered.

[Dr. Dave Brat]

We will achieve American greatness.

[Dr. Michael Savage]

And we are just getting started.

[Narrator/Announcer]

From campuses to the national stage, Charlie inspired millions to stand boldly for faith, freedom, and country. Now we reflect on his life, his mission, and the legacy he leaves behind.

[Steve Bannon]

The evildoers responsible for my husband's assassination have no idea what they have done. When America needed a hero, God sent us a Charlie Kirk.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Hosted by Steve Bannon. Live coverage of Charlie Kirk's funeral Service begins at 10am Eastern. Join us as we remember a life that will never be forgotten only on Real America's Voice.

[C-SPAN Narrator]

Sunday night on C Span's Q&A. White House trade advisor Peter Navarro went to prison in 2024, convicted of contempt of Congress for defying a subpoena from the January 6 committee after being found guilty on two counts in his new book, I went to prison so you won't have to. Peter Navarro lays out the Justice Department's case, his arrest and trial, and what it was like for him behind bars.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

People think you're in a dorm rather than a cell. It's like everybody told me there that they'd rather be in a cell because only you have to worry about one other guy. You know, there's a thing called the lock in the sock, right? You take a padlock, you throw it in a sock, and a lot of rough justice goes on like that.

[C-SPAN Narrator]

White House trade advisor and author Peter Navarro, Sunday night at 8 Eastern on C span's Q&A. You can listen to Q and A wherever you get your podcasts and on the C span. Now.

[Steve Bannon]

Is that the difference between a camp and an actual prison? Peter, I'm just kidding. We're not gonna get in this fight today. We are not gonna.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

Yeah, we are.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, here's what we're gonna start out. Hang on. No, no, no, we're not. No, no, no. Peter. So, Peter.

[Mike Lindell]

I wanted to, like, rub that in.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

I was thinking, okay, this one's for you, Steve.

[Steve Bannon]

That's the difference. That's. That's the difference between a convict and an inmate. But anyway, I digress. Peter's going to be with us tomorrow on the show, as many other people are.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

You still remember your number? I guess you don't. Okay.

[Steve Bannon]

No, I keep. I keep my prison. I keep. I keep my prison card in my wallet. It's the top. Peter, we gotta bounce because I got a time. I got time. Tomorrow you're going to join us during the commemoration. You're actually going to come out with the DC contingent time tomorrow, 8 o' clock tomorrow night when our coverage finishes, we're going to go right into this C SPAN book. Talk Q and A with Peter about the book. Peter, Dr. Narrow is going to join us Monday to give us his thoughts about what went down on Sunday and other things related to this. His accountability, which he says is the sixth stage of grief, I agree with. And then on Tuesday night at 6 o', clock, our entire 6 o' clock show, going to be Dr. Navarro, myself going through the book and other things related to Charlie Kirk and this movement. So Dr. Navarro, where do people go to get your writings? You're prolific as usual about defending the President's policies. You're the best we got on trade and the best I think we've ever had. And I gotta tell you, Charlie Kirk and that generation of young people, Peter Navarro works every day to make sure those jobs are coming back for them. And this is, this is the linchpin of making sure that that amazing generation, particularly young men from 18 to 30, which I think is the most based generation we've ever had, really get a shot of having the best jobs in the world created by the American economy. Dr. Navarro, where do people get you, sir? Where they get the book?

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

The important thing is Tomorrow, Steve, at 8:00pm Eastern and 11:00pm Again, C span will play the hour long interview. And I really strongly encourage you to do that. The important thing now is to go to Amazon right now buy I went to prison so you won't have to get the book out. Because what we have to do is get the message out. If they can come for me and Steve, the rest of us, they can come for you. We have to hold these people accountable. You can always go to my substack, peternavar.substack.com and it's going to be a great week talking with you, Steve, about all of this. I have my retro back background here, by the way. I don't know if you noticed my homage to your pandemic. You went blue and modern on me a little bit. But I got, I got the original pandemic background.

[Steve Bannon]

I love it.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

I'm going to sell it on ebay when I retire.

[Steve Bannon]

All right. Okay, brother. We'll see you tomorrow in Phoenix or Glendale.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

Thanks for doing your coverage.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, sir.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

For 10 hours. And to Rob Sagan Parker at RAV.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, wouldn't have it any other way. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. Let's go ahead. We got a clip that's been very powerful. It's gone viral multiple times about our next guest, Dr. Michael Savage. Let's go and let her up.

[Dr. Michael Savage]

Something's wrong. I know I shouldn't do this. I'm risking an awful lot to go up against this FBI, the maga, FBI. Something's very wrong with what I just heard. I mean, I watched it. I was hoping that they had caught the bastard who shot Charlie. So we saw a video of a person jumping off the roof. It looked very legitimate to me. However, there was no rifle in his hand. Now, the Mauser does not break down very easily. Incidentally, for those of you who know weapons, something's wrong with the whole thing. They're trying to claim he removed the barrel from the Mauser and fit the receiver and stock in his backpack and barrel in his pants, like, all in two seconds. It is not easy to remove a Mauser barrel or index it after reinstalling and remain accurate. We are not hearing or seeing reality. And by the way, the photo of the rifle allegedly left in the woods has the barrel installed. So we're supposed to believe a guy is on the run after killing Charlie Kirk, and he pauses in the woods to reinstall a barrel and then he leaves it for us to find? The FBI to find. I don't believe a word of it. I shouldn't do this. I know I'm putting myself at risk, but I can't take it anymore. I can't take the. From this government. It's lying to us.

[Steve Bannon]

Let me jump in here, Dr. Savage. You've got a particularly with President Trump, your close personal relationship with him, and you got to go pretty far in the woods to hit your tripwire on this. We've got about four minutes here. We're going to hold you post the break. What is your general concern with everything you've heard out of Utah about this situation, sir?

[Dr. Michael Savage]

Nothing. I don't know any more than anyone else does. It is so muddied. The waters are so muddied right now that it would take a diver with an acetylene torch to get into the wreck and pull out the corpse. I have no idea. Steve, what the hell is going on? The kids said. They say the kid confessed. Right. Okay. Then they. Then they said he's not cooperating. Then he was cooperating, then he wasn't cooperating. Then the messaging between the alleged assassin and his trans roommate, or his transitioning trans roommate, which would make him a trans trans roommate, seem to be very stilted for kids that age. They don't talk that way. If you actually analyze the alleged messaging between the Two of them. It doesn't seem like them. People of their age don't talk that way. In fact, someone did a complete analysis of that conversation, and it seems that it was an AI written text message between the assassin or the alleged assassin and his roommate. Based on style, objective analysis of the text, tone, style, dialogue is formal, with complete sentences, proper punctuation, and no slang emojis or abbreviations typical of young adults texting casually. Someone's actually analyzed this. You know, there are a lot of smart people out there, Steve, who aren't in the government, who listen and watch former intelligence operatives who are retired, who haven't lost their marbles, who are saying something's not right with the picture. But again, how do we know who done it? It's a gigantic whodunit. But does it matter who did it? At this point, the main thing is they killed the leader of the next generation of patriots. Borders, language, culture, conservatives, kids who don't want their country to be taken away from them. Kids who don't want America to become a piece of the EU or like the EU or worse yet, devolve into Ukraine with a war. So something's not adding up. I don't think we're getting the whole truth. But, Steve, again, you know, I live alone out in Northern California. When I say live alone, meaning I work alone, I don't have a crew, I don't have a team. I feed the birds, I ride my bicycle, I go out on my boat, I talk to the pelicans as they fly over my boat. I pray to God several times a day in a very deep manner, trying to reach God and get some residence. It's one man looking in from the outside. I have no answers to this, Steve. I don't know. Truthfully, don't know. And by the way, you said close to President Trump. I wish that were so. He just went to England. I'm still banned from entering England, if you can believe it. And I had sent a request that he at least raise the topic with the great Keith Stormer Crickets. I don't get responses anymore from the White House, Steve. I'm not part of the in crowd. I mean, I wish I were. I flew on Air Force One with the president in the last administration. We shared a hot dog. And he's a great man when you know him. You know him better than I do. He's a kind, gentle man to his friends and very sensitive. And I know when he sees me, I see his eyes. He likes me. But the people around him right now they seem to be a Praetorian guard that's impenetrable. You can't get near him, even those who were instrumental in his rise. You can't get near him unless, I don't know, unless you know, someone in the inner circle protecting him from people like me.

[Steve Bannon]

Dr. Savage, hang on a second. We're going to commercial break. Borders, language, culture, an individual talked about that decades ago. It's the problem. Problem before us today. Dr. Michael Savage. On the other side, there's a lot of talk about government debt, but after four years of inflation, the real crisis is personal debt. Seriously, you're working harder than ever and you're still drowning in credit card debt and overdue bills. You need Done With Debt and here's why you need it. The credit system is rigged to keep you trapped. Done With Debt has unique and frankly, brilliant escape strategies to help end your debt fast so you keep more of your hard earned money. Done With Debt doesn't try to sell you a loan and they don't try to sell you a bankruptcy. They're tough negotiators that go one on one with your credit card and loan companies. With one goal, to drastically reduce your bills and eliminate interest and erase penalties. Most clients end up with more money in their pocket month one, and they don't stop until they break you free from debt permanently. Look, take a couple of minutes and visit donewithdebt.com, talk with one of their strategists. It's free, but listen up. Some of their solutions are time sensitive, so you'll need to move quickly. Go to donewithdebt.com that's donewithdebt.com Stop the anxiety, stop the angst. Go to donewithdebT.com and do it today.

[Narrator/Announcer]

This Sunday, real America's voice pauses to honor a patriot whose voice carried a movement. RAV presents Charlie Kirk A LEGACY remembered.

[Dr. Dave Brat]

We will achieve American greatness.

[Dr. Michael Savage]

And we are just getting started.

[Narrator/Announcer]

From campuses to the national stage, Charlie inspired millions to stand boldly for faith, freedom and country. Now we reflect on his life, his mission and the legacy he leaves behind.

[Steve Bannon]

The evildoers responsible for my husband's assassination have no idea what they have done. When America needed a hero, God sent us a Charlie Kirk hosted by Steve Bannon.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Live coverage of Charlie Kirk's funeral Service begins at 10am Eastern. Join us as we remember a life that will never be forgotten, only on REAL America's Voice.

[Steve Bannon]

I adapted a book in my years as a filmmaker, producer and financier. I adapted Peter Schweitzer's book Reagan's War, about the opening of the files of the KGB and looking back over President Reagan. And it was called the film we retitle as in the Face of Evil. It was shortly thereafter the Release, I met Dr. Michael Savage for the first time. That's 20 years ago. And he was at that time, I think, one of the two or three towering intellects that were saving the countries borders, language, culture. Dr. Savage, when did you come up with that phrase, what I loved about you? It was like a howitzer boom. Every show, boom, every segment. You went back to it just for relentless. But it was the foundational intellectual element of the nationalist side of the Trump movement. What do you mean by borders, language, culture?

[Dr. Michael Savage]

Thanks, Steve. By the way, thank you for having me on the show. I haven't seen you in years. You look great and you do a great show. Incidentally, just loved seeing Peter on. It was amazing to watch this. So 1994, I began in radio. A few months later, I created a new movement called. Which by. Oh, my goodness. I created. Why do people call me? I created a new movement. I have to shut my phone. I'm sorry, Steve. I created a new movement at the time that predated the MAGA movement. It predated the Tea Party. It was called the Paul Revere Society. We used to get groups together, 2,000 people screaming, patriots. They never heard anything like this in liberal Marin county, in liberal San Francisco, in Oakland. And I had to define what the Paul Revere Society stood for, which was. I said borders, language, culture. It was right on the original cards of the PRs. And I said, a nation is defined by its borders, language and culture. Now, there's not a nation on Earth, whether it be an island nation in the Caribbean, you name it Trinidad, or the United States of America. That is not or should not be defined by its borders, language, and culture. Which is exactly why the internationalists have gone after our borders and every border on the planet. George Soros, open border Society. Open border Society. Are you kidding me? So he went after the borders. He turns us into a polyglot nation, a Tower of Babel, so people don't know what the hell they're talking about, and they can't communicate with each other, and then the elites can manipulate them. And culture. Well, what is our culture? What is our culture? Well, it certainly isn't, let us say, teaching children how to do a trans dance in the first grade. That wouldn't be our culture. Culture would be the founding principles of our nation, which would be the U.S. constitution, the bill of Rights, if you want to just simplify it. And that message resonated with people, Steven, because everybody can relate to blc, borders, language, culture, and in Europe. Look at Europe. Look what's going on in Europe because of the elites, how they've destroyed every European nation with people from Africa, people from the Middle east who are raping their way across the continent living on welfare. It's shocking to see the people being so suppressed with almost no reaction. You were talking before about the people reacting, I think, to Peter. And Peter said he uses the pen. He's right. The pen is mightier than the sword. Until you're thrown into a prison cell and denied basic human rights, then the pen is worthless. That's the problem, Steve, and I don't know how far we're going to go. Here's what worries me the most. I mean, I'm just, you know, rapping with you right now. Trump can only be in office for a maximum number, couple of years, right? Then his administration's over, correct, Steve? Am I with you? I don't even know.

[Steve Bannon]

We are working. Yeah, we are working on alternatives. We're working on alternatives right now. Because I say, hey, unless you got Trump, I don't know how you pull this off.

[Dr. Michael Savage]

And they're liable to win with. They're liable to win with, with a, with a communist, the way things are going in this country. Look at what's going on in New York City. How could a new.

[Steve Bannon]

A new A Newsom, a Newsom, a Newsom AOC ticket which shows you everything you need to know, right?

[Dr. Michael Savage]

That would be the least of our problems, by the way. Newsom would be the least of our problems, not the worst of our problems. Mamdani would be the worst of our problems if the 911 types took over America. Think about New York City, a city that was bombed on 911 by these airplanes now is electing a man who's overtly and clearly and clinically a front for the Muslim Brotherhood. I mean, there's no other way to analyze this guy. These people are so stoned on this heavyweight marijuana, they don't even know what they're doing in that city. And they're saying, you know what? Anyone but a big white guy like Trump F him, screw him. We don't want the rich guys. We don't care who takes over. We just don't care. Just anybody but him. That's what's going on in the country. That's the lazy zeitgeist of what's the undertone in this country. And there's only one Trump and there's no one to replace him that I can see.

[Steve Bannon]

Dr. Savage, I want to go back to, by the way, I agree with you 100%. I want to go back to accountability. Look, the 60s, it started coming unwound with the assassination of JFK and the COVID up where Americans really, you know, from that post war generation really started to lose in the greatest generation, started to lose their confidence in American institutions. Doesn't that make your video. The reason it went mega viral is that people are saying, they go, Michael Savage. What Dr. Savage is saying is correct. We need to get to the bottom of this. We need accountability. We need to know exactly what happened here because nothing makes sense. The videos don't make sense. The text messages are an insult to people's intelligence. An insult. A brazen insult. He's writing. They got the guy from ABC News, David Muir's, you know, reporter that's crying because, you know, he says, wow, it's so touching and so lovely what he said to his partner. He wrote a Shakespeare sonnet in the middle of this. It's ridiculous. So talk to us about how we bind together to make sure there's accountability here and we get to the bottom of, I believe, a vast conspiracy to assassinate and execute Charlie Kirk.

[Dr. Michael Savage]

I can't answer the question. How do I know? As I tried to say to you earlier, I work in my own vacuum. I'm just a man looking in from the outside. I feel like I'm in brabbing dang. Okay, you know the reference. Of course I'm looking in from the outside. I don't have any inside information. I don't talk to anyone in the government. I don't have any contacts in the government. I use plain native intelligence deductive reasoning and watch the world go around. And none of it adds up that this kid did it on his own. From the shot, everyone. Oh, it's an easy shot from 250 yards. Really? It's that easy at that angle? Who says that's an easy shot? Even with a telescope? Is it? Then once I put the hand signals. What was that with the hat and the hands? Did that ever get resolved? Steve, who are those guys? Remember that, the hand signals. What was that? Those two guys, who are they?

[Steve Bannon]

Remember that? Nothing's been.

[Dr. Michael Savage]

Those came up.

[Steve Bannon]

Nothing.

[Dr. Michael Savage]

No one knows who they were.

[Steve Bannon]

Yes, and the way I keep telling people, the way to put that down is to flood the zone with information. The governor went up there. Remember the first time the governor Talked. He talked about the guy changing clothes and changing clothes on the roof. I still asked the question. And I've watched this thing now 100 times. I don't see a gun being dropped off the roof. Now people are saying, oh, no, no. And they said the other day, the D. That he dropped a gun off the roof. I mean, Dr. Savage has watched it a number of times. You haven't seen it? I haven't seen it. It just, it's strange credulity, what we're being asked to accept. And the COVID up of Kennedy is one of the reasons that you've had this loss of faith in our institutions, sir.

[Dr. Michael Savage]

Well, the Kirk killer, Robinson and his text messages to his paramore seems like. Not like Gen Z texting, by the way. It seems like it was written as a screenplay from someone in Hollywood. Immature guys in their 20s don't talk that way on texts. The confessing guy, Robinson, he's calm, articulate. He's not sloppy, not frantic. And something unusual about the text messaging between him and his boyfriend. They feel stiff, literary, like dialogue from. From. What's that? I won't say. Hbo, Netflix crime drama. So you've got that. I mean, I think we the people have a right to ask the questions, don't we? Of. Of the authorities. Steve, you, you. You're closer. Can I ask you something, Steve? Are you still close to the President? You still advise?

[Steve Bannon]

I think we would say that. I don't want to give up the conversations, but I think you can see by the stuff we do on the show and where it goes that we make sure that our voice is heard. Let's say that. And I agree with you, it's not easy. You have to make sure that your voice is heard. But I think on here, for instance, we just talked about the Secretary treasury earlier and the big fights on that and H1B visas. But you're correct, it's not easy. And you have to be very focused and you have to know how to kind of push it. But I agree, and I think there's so many people like you that have been key advisors, and not even advisors, but setting the intellectual tone of the populist nationalist movement. We only got a couple minutes. Real quickly, why are you still banned? I want your nation to hear this. Why are you still banned from entering England, of which we're cutting all these trade deals with. Why is Dr. Michael Savage banned from going to England?

[Dr. Michael Savage]

This was a book written when I was banned in 09. It's been almost 20 years. 15, 20 years. I don't know how long I am still banned from Britain for things I said and did not say. And the fact of the matter is, it was a grave injustice. It still is a grave injustice. I reached out to President Trump before the trip saying, please talk to Starmer about getting this man off the list. Never heard any. Anything back from the individual that I texted, actually sent the whole file to. And I spent $400,000 at the time to get my name off the list. I was told, you will never get your name off the list. You can't fight a government. I felt point blank, no one has ever successfully fought a government and won in a court, in a court of law. Well, we got text, we got emails back and forth from then Prime Minister Gordon Brown. And Gordon Brown said, we have to balance the list. Meaning there's enough Muslim terrorists on the list who are not permitted to enter England. We gotta balance the list. So let's find an American Jew to put the tail on the donkey. That was me. See how they balance the list. And this came from within the United States of America. We traced it back. I can't name names because we're not sure. Inside the Democrat Party, they communicated with the then secretary of whoever, Jackie Smith, and they made me the same equal to Russian skinheads who had killed people in the streets, Hamas terrorists who had beaten the brains out of children, Jewish children on buses. How did that happen? That a talk show host who, if he said anything like that, would have been thrown off the air before he finished the words. He would have been bl. I never said those things that they accused me of. You know what I said that got them crazy. I said, what's going to happen if England becomes an Islamic country and they get a nuclear bomb? Would you rather see 100 million of us killed or 100 million of them killed? So they twisted it. The Jake Tappers, the Wolf Blitzers and people like that in the media jumped down my throat and said, Savage said, Kill 100 million Muslims. I never said that. I was using an analysis saying, wait a minute, Europe's becoming Islamist. This was 15 years ago. I saw what was happening and I said, wait till they take over a country with nuclear weapons like France or England and they get a nuclear weapon. I said, would you rather 100 million of them die or 100 million of us die? So they twisted that to me saying, kill 100 million Muslims. Who would say a thing like that? I didn't.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Dr. Michael Savage]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.

[Steve Bannon]

Dr. Savage, going to work to get you back on next week. You had a big story about artificial intelligence you want to talk about. Our audience is huge on that coordinates. Where they get your podcast, social media. Where do they get up to speed on everything Dr. Savage is talking about?

[Dr. Michael Savage]

Talk to God. He'll answer the question. He knows more about it than I do. He knows where I've come from and where I'm going. But I'm on. On X at a Savage Nation. And my podcast, you just go to michaelsavage.com it has 500 episodes of my podcasts. I left radio four years ago. I don't know how long ago. I only do podcasts and some appearances on TV and on your show once every 10 years. But basically, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's. I like X. I'm addicted to it. It's too much of an addiction, by the way. I'm like an 8 year old on the tweeting and I got to stop because I'm starting to get a little nuts with it. You know, you can make mistakes on X. The problem with tweeting it anyway, at a Savage Nation. The podcast is. I think it's the Savage Nation podcast. That's what it is. 500 episodes.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, I'm gonna talk to you after. I'll track you down this afternoon. I'm gonna try to get you. We'd love to have you participate in our commemoration tomorrow. Ten hours from Glendale, from Cardinal Stadium. Dr. Michael Savage, the audience loves you, sir. You're a towering intellect, has been one of the great patriots in the late 20th and early 21st century, sir. Never forget that.

[Dr. Michael Savage]

Dr. Mike, coming from you, it means a lot. Steve, thanks for making my life meaningful.

[Steve Bannon]

Thanks, brother. No, you made the. Not just your life meaningful. You helped save your country, sir. Remember Savage? What I love about Savage, he going to give it to you with both barrels, man.

[Dr. Michael Savage]

There's no.

[Steve Bannon]

There is no sugar coating. He's going to give it right to you. Dave Brat, you're going to be joining us tomorrow also from Liberty. Give me a minute or two on. On the eve of the commemoration of the celebr. Life of Charlie. Charlie Kirk.

[Dr. Dave Brat]

Yeah, well, the whole. The whole show. What you're doing today is commemoration because it honors his life with everything you said. Dr. Savage. Borders, language, culture. Here's what else we don't know anything about. Jfk, rfk, Reagan, Nixon, Trump, Charlie Kirk, Martin Luther King. We don't know anything about any of these. It is a stunning. Right, we have a ruling class, and so I'm going to end where you started the show on this escalatory ladder. You asked us about our degrees. There's two moral philosophers that have subdivided this world into two parts. One is Adam Smith, moral philosopher, economist. The other is Karl Marx, communist. Adam Smith's system of natural liberty is compatible with Christianity and liberty. Karl Marx, for the young people out there. And this is what Charlie spent his whole life on, right, was connecting all these ideas and all these dots that matter for your future. Karl Marx and socialism. We have three years to tear it down, right? The real power of socialism, it's not just an economic system, it's a power system and a set of ruling elites that have taken over this country when it comes to Federal Reserve, et cetera. They have 100 different financial instruments they use to control the interest rate. It ought to be one, it ought to be the money supply, and that's it. Yeah, I could go on forever, but we need to tear it down, get back to the basics of natural liberty. Get rid of the federal government, return it to the States when we've rev.

[Steve Bannon]

When we've revolutionized a guy like Dave. Brett, we're winning. Brett, what's your social media? We'll see you tomorrow.

[Dr. Dave Brat]

Yeah, just Brad, economics on Getter. Go together on X as well.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you. We'll see you tomorrow, brother. Appreciate you. Great. Taj Gill is going to join us for our coverage tomorrow. Also, Taj, I need a. I need a strong cup of coffee today, and I'm gonna need a lot more tomorrow. What do you got for us?

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[Steve Bannon]

We got. We have a lot to talk about. Charlie Kirk and also the assassination. We're going to do it tomorrow. Tajiro is going to join us. Many, many other people put out a whole schedule. Taj, one more time. Where do people go to get the.

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[Steve Bannon]

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