Episode 4807: Indictment Of Comey; FBI Agents Sent To The Capitol During J6

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room, Episode 4807

Date: September 26, 2025
Main Theme:
This explosive episode covers the shocking indictment of former FBI Director James Comey on charges of obstruction and false statements, the Trump administration’s aggressive post-January 6th pursuit of former officials, and the recent revelations about a large FBI presence in plainclothes at the Capitol on January 6th. The War Room panel, including Steve Bannon, John Solomon, Pam Bondi, Dan Bongino, Simone Gold, and Rudy Giuliani, analyze the legal, political, and cultural implications of these developments, and debate strategies for institutional reform.

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Main Episode Topics and Structure

1. The Indictment of James Comey

Timestamps: 00:00–06:00, 10:57–12:44, 45:47–52:19

• Breaking News:
  Steve Bannon opens by announcing the unprecedented indictment of former FBI Director James Comey on two felony counts: obstruction and false statements. Trump’s celebratory reaction underscores the view that justice is finally served against a long-time political foe.

  • Bannon reads Trump’s Truth Social post:

    “Justice in America. One of the worst human beings this country has ever been exposed to is James Comey, the former corrupt head of the FBI...” (00:17)

• Legal Analysis:
  Panelists discuss the case’s gravity, its political context, and Comey’s likely strategy. John Solomon notes that evidence and testimony from Comey’s inner circle, not “MAGA lawyers,” will play a crucial role in prosecuting him.

  • Solomon notes:

    “It’s going to be his own inner circle said, yeah, he authorized us to leak, and, yeah, he lied to Congress.” (10:57)

• Political and Institutional Implications:
  Steve Bannon and John Solomon argue this indictment represents both retribution and a strategic effort to clean out perceived deep-state actors resistant to Trump.

  • Bannon:

    “This is really a reminder of how much retribution and revenge has been a driving factor...” (06:08)

• Rudy Giuliani’s Perspective:
  Giuliani frames the short indictment as just an appetizer, predicting more charges relating to a wider conspiracy against Trump.

  • Giuliani:

    “If he committed one crime once, that is a preface, not even an introduction to the major War and Peace novel that the indictment will become. They're beginning with him...It could be three times as broad as the original Biden RICO case...” (45:47–48:31)

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2. FBI Actions on January 6th: Hidden After-Action Report Revealed

Timestamps: 17:16–25:53

• John Solomon’s Scoop:
  John Solomon describes uncovering a deeply damning FBI after-action report. It reveals 275 FBI agents (mostly plainclothes, no riot gear) were sent to the Capitol as violence escalated on January 6th. This large presence, kept secret by FBI leadership, created serious risk of friendly-fire incidents and left agents feeling betrayed.

  • Solomon:

    “There were 275 FBI agents, most in plain clothes, without any riot gear or protection, dispatched to the Capitol that day...It’s something that Congress needed for oversight. And Chris Wray’s FBI kept it from it.” (17:46–18:25)

• Institutional Rot and Political Bias:
  The leaked report documents scores of frontline agents blasting the FBI for political corruption and bias, confirming allegations by conservative critics that had been discredited as “MAGA talking points.”

  • Solomon:

    “Calling the WFO a messed up place, the most prestigious office...using the words political bias, corruption. These are words that agents almost never utter about their agency.” (23:11)

• Legal and Judicial Impact:
  Solomon raises the possibility that agents who were at the scene but later participated in prosecutions might have committed violations if they failed to disclose their direct involvement, raising red flags for appeals and possible acquittals.

  • Solomon:

    “If you don’t describe the fact that you might have been at the scene...you may have engaged in a Giglio in radio violation.” (21:29)

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3. Political Retaliation, Weaponization of Justice & Institutional Reform

Timestamps: 01:32–07:45, 07:45–09:10; 25:53–34:14, 34:55–36:22

• Democrat and Anti-Trump Viewpoints:
  Pam Bondi and others lament the political climate, warning that standing up to Trump comes at a personal and institutional cost, but expressing faith in the judicial process.

  • Bondi:

    “My heart is broken for the Department of Justice, but I have great confidence in the federal judicial system, and I’m innocent. So let’s have a trial and keep the faith.” (01:32)

  • Bondi reflects on public discourse:

    “Like a lot of you, I struggle with how to stand up to bullies without letting their meanness infect me and change me...” (05:27)

• Weaponization and Retaliation Allegations:
  Bongino and Bannon compare Trump’s actions to those of autocrats, with Bongino drawing a direct parallel to President Erdogan in Turkey.

  • Bongino:

    “Erdogan in Turkey did exactly the same thing that Donald Trump is now doing. People who investigated him, he prosecuted. This is completely un-American, and we should all be deeply horrified by what happened.” (02:40–02:53)

• Need for Overhaul:
  Bannon and Solomon argue that even with aggressive pushes by the Trump team, the “deep state” resists meaningful reform. Solomon recommends a 1970s-style “blue ribbon commission” of insiders, outsiders, and even victims to make lasting structural change.

  • Solomon:

    “The FBI has had a complete takeover...But we have a major problem. The speed at which the FBI is producing the evidence is overwhelming...That’s where...a blue ribbon Commission of experts, including people...who are wrongly pursued, victims...because there’s no better perspective.” (30:32)

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4. Trump’s On-Air Remarks: Retribution, Justice, and Next Steps

Timestamps: 34:55–36:22

• On the Comey Indictment:
  Trump addresses the media, classifying Comey as worse than Democrats, reiterating his belief in Comey’s guilt and framing the indictment as about justice rather than revenge.

  • Trump:

    “It’s about justice, really. It’s not revenge...they are sick, radical left people and they can’t get away with it.” (36:22–39:00)

• Promises More Indictments:
  Trump hints at further actions against other officials, extending the logic of “cleaning house” to a broader “deep state” purge.

• On Potential Partisan Retribution:
  When asked about the “cycle” of indictments, Trump rationalizes his actions as necessary to restore justice, not political vengeance.

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5. Cultural Sidebar: Bondi on Taylor Swift and Maintaining Decency

Timestamps: 04:55–06:57

• Connecting Pop Culture and Politics:
  Pam Bondi diverges to discuss Taylor Swift’s influence on her family, using the pop star’s themes of resilience and kindness as a metaphor for engaging politics without succumbing to bitterness or meanness.
  • Bondi:

    “Taylor Swift has grown up with my family and provided us a soundtrack, really, as we've grown ourselves and learned and adapted and dealt with adversity and celebration. She had songs for all of it.” (04:55)

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6. Forward-Looking Analysis and Solutions

Timestamps: 29:41–32:00, 41:03–42:00

• Short-Term Fixes:
  Solomon urges the administration to flood the DOJ with resources and institutional leadership to process the overwhelming evidence and avoid having criminals “walk” on technicalities.

• Long-Term Remediation:
  Both Bannon and Solomon agree on the necessity of a commission to fully “rewire” the FBI, DOJ, and intelligence community—drawing on lessons from post-9/11 reforms but warning against re-creating the “deep state.”

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• “[Comey’s] own inner circle said, yeah, he authorized us to leak, and, yeah, he lied to Congress.” — John Solomon (10:57)
• “This is really a reminder of how much retribution and revenge has been a driving factor in the president’s presidency...” — Steve Bannon (06:08)
• “Erdogan in Turkey did exactly the same thing that Donald Trump is now doing. People who investigated him, he prosecuted. This is completely un-American, and we should all be deeply horrified by what happened.” — Dan Bongino (02:40)
• “There were 275 FBI agents, most in plain clothes, without any riot gear or protection, dispatched to the Capitol that day...Chris Wray’s FBI kept it from [Congress].” — John Solomon (17:46)
• “Calling the WFO a messed up place, the most prestigious office...using the words political bias, corruption. These are words that agents almost never utter about their agency.” — John Solomon (23:11)
• “[Comey’s indictment is] just the appetizer...a preface, not even an introduction to the major War and Peace novel that the indictment will become.” — Rudy Giuliani (45:47)
• “The president’s objective isn’t even so much prosecution. It’s bringing it to a public daylight and bringing it to account. So simple so it doesn’t happen again. This is not a question of vengeance. This is a question of justice and deterrence.” — Giuliani (49:19)
• “If we don’t do this, brother, on Trump’s watch, the country is going to be an extremist and you can tell by these bad actors.” — Steve Bannon (29:52)
• “Taylor Swift has grown up with my family...She had songs for all of it. I suspect that's something that millions of Americans have also experienced.” — Pam Bondi (04:55)

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Key Takeaways

• Comey’s Indictment is both a symbol of the Trump administration’s ongoing quest for retribution and a product of extensive internal DOJ and FBI testimony. It potentially marks the beginning of broader charges against other “deep state” actors.
• FBI After-Action Evidence shows a previously undisclosed level of plainclothes agent deployment at the Capitol, with significant internal dissent over politicization and management—raising questions about withheld evidence, due process for J6 defendants, and oversight failures.
• Calls for Institutional Reform center around both immediate and long-term strategies, including blue ribbon commissions and massive resource injections into DOJ to catch up with mountains of new evidence.
• Cultural Reflection: Pam Bondi leverages Taylor Swift’s messaging to champion civility, even as political discourse heats up—an unusual but telling moment about the intersection of culture and politics.
• Broader Implications: The episode’s revelations, legal commentary, and calls for sweeping action signal that the struggle over control and accountability in the justice system is likely only intensifying, with major consequences for future political and legal battles.

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For detailed coverage and ongoing updates, follow John Solomon at Just the News and WarRoom.org.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

The Trump Justice Department has indicted former FBI Director James Comey on two counts. The first count, obstruction. The second, false statements. Two sources telling MSNBC that a grand jury rejected a third count. That count still unknown. Just moments ago, Donald Trump said this on Truth Social, quote, justice in America. One of the worst human beings this country has ever been exposed to is James Comey, the former corrupt head of the FBI. Today, he was indicted by a grand jury on two felony counts for various illegal and unlawful acts. He has been so bad for our country for so long, it is now at the beginning of being held responsible for his crimes against our nation. Make America great again.

[Pam Bondi]

My family and I have known for years that there are costs to standing up to Donald Trump, but we couldn't imagine ourselves living any other way. We will not live on our knees. And you shouldn't either. Somebody that I love dearly recently said that fear is the tool of a tyrant, and she's right. But I'm not afraid, and I hope you're not either. I hope instead you are engaged, you are paying attention, and you will vote like your beloved country depends upon it, which it does. My heart is broken for the Department of Justice, but I have great confidence in the federal judicial system, and I'm innocent. So let's have a trial and keep the faith.

[John Solomon]

As the person that reported out, how significant is this moment?

[Steve Bannon]

I'll use the words, Chris, that prosecutors and federal investigators are saying to me tonight, which is simply chilling. Chilling because a seasoned prosecutor who was appointed by the Trump administration, chosen by Donald Trump and his allies, looked at the facts in this case and said there wasn't a sufficient reasonable basis to bring it, and was resisting bringing it, was pressured to resign or be forced out. Thrown out. Thrown out on the curb, and he chose to resign. Days later, person with no prosecutorial experience is the U.S. attorney, and these charges are brought.

[John Solomon]

Chris, for the past two weeks, we have been gaslighted by maga, saying that we're too extreme, that our language is too extreme, that you can't use this kind of language.

[Dan Bongino]

Well, if you don't want us to.

[John Solomon]

Use extreme language, you should not do extreme stuff. If you don't want us to call.

[Dan Bongino]

Donald Trump an authoritarian, he should not.

[John Solomon]

Act like an authoritarian.

[Dan Bongino]

And the reality is, today it's ironic.

[John Solomon]

That Erdogan was in the Oval Office.

[Dan Bongino]

With the president, because Erdogan in Turkey did exactly the same thing that Donald Trump is now doing. People who investigated him, he prosecuted. This is completely un American, and we.

[John Solomon]

Should all be deeply horrified by what happened.

[Pam Bondi]

Today, I want to talk about a truly inspirational public figure named Taylor Swift. Of course I watched her podcast interview with the Kelsey Brothers. Of course, I watched the whole thing, although on YouTube Patrisse, and I got kicked off for the last 15 minutes and finished it on her phone. But I watched it. You see, Taylor Swift and I go way back. I went to my first concert of hers 15 years ago. I've been to a second, and I have helped financially support the attendance of a lot of family members. At others, I'm in a family's Swifty group chat. I know all her music and I listen to it in my headphones when I cut the grass. So, yes, I have a favorite of hers. Although honestly, for me it's a tie between all too well, 10 minute version and Exile featuring Bon Iver. Taylor Swift has grown up with my family and provided us a soundtrack, really, as we've grown ourselves and learned and adapted and dealt with adversity and celebration. She had songs for all of it. I suspect that's something that millions of Americans have also experienced in their families.

[Steve Bannon]

I'm not surprised about the President, but I am still surprised about everyone else.

[John Solomon]

What about you?

[Simone Gold]

Unfortunately, Simone, I am not surprised by much of anything. If anything, I am. You know, I feel like they got a really fast start. They sort of slowed down, and now in the last few weeks, they've really picked up steam again. And so I'm not surprised by this. We saw that they raided Bolton's house just a few weeks ago. Now they've got Comey, as Comey mentioned, Chris Krebs, Miles Taylor, people that they have been targeting for a long, long time. There are going to be more of them. This is now part of it, where they're trying to clean out the people. They don't like to scare everybody else. And as, as somebody said, as you mentioned, this is exactly part of the process. And let me just talk about the process, too. That is part of the punishment. Now, Comey is a longtime law enforcement officer, a longtime lawyer for a lot of people. This is going to put them into significant amounts of debt in legal bills. There are some incredible attorneys out there trying to protect folks that do this stuff. But, you know, now you've been before, you know, your case has been bidden before a grand jury. You've got to have a lawyer, a litigator, right? Litigators are very, very expensive, especially, I assume, in a federal criminal trial. And now you've got to go before a judge. You've got to be arraigned all those other. I hope that the judge in this case, whoever draws the case, you know, will, Will dismiss this, these charges if they believe them to be egregious. But I think we should see that comey as the top of the pyramid, certainly not the bottom.

[Pam Bondi]

Like a lot of you, I struggle with how to stand up to bullies without letting their meanness infect me and change me. You may have seen that the governor of California has been generating a lot of attention lately by posting on social media in a satirical way where he mocks Donald Trump and his all caps megalomania and his absurdity. And I find it very funny, hilarious even, sometimes. But I gotta be honest, it also leaves me with a strange feeling at times because I don't want us to become like Trump and his followers. There are far more decent, honest, kind people in America than there are mean jerks.

[Steve Bannon]

This is really a reminder of how much retribution and revenge has been a driving factor in the president's, in the president's presidency, not only in his campaign, where he really promised to go after his enemies, but even after he won. He continues to pursue this relentlessly. And you laid out that timeline of him posting that true social directly to Pam Bondi and later telling reporters that he wanted her to act quickly. He's made this very clear that he wanted an urgency here. And that is something that potentially could come back to bite the prosecutors in this case, is his statement to this effect. And this is really a break from president that we have seen for decades now that the White House has not been involved in Justice Department actions. And that clearly seems to be not the case tonight.

[Pam Bondi]

We can't stop people from being jerks. What we can do is stop it from hurting us, from changing us. At my second Taylor Swift concert In Hartford, Connecticut, 14 years ago this summer, she sang a song about this topic, asking why you gotta be so mean? And she spoke directly to the nasty people. I bet you got pushed around. Somebody made you cold. But the cycle ends right now because you can't lead me down that road. You'll be glad I didn't sing that. That's right, because down that road is unhappiness. Nobody should have that power over us. Thank you, Taylor Swift. Keep the faith.

[Dan Bongino]

The increasingly autocratic, increasingly entirely presidentially driven policy agenda that Donald Trump is putting forward, I think on the questions of the Kimmel story is of a piece with the Comey story, the weaponization of the Department of Justice, the politicization of that and, and all of the things you saw in the wake of Charlie Kirk's tragic, undeniably tragic murder when you saw J.D. vance and others, these things have not gone away saying that that the that the administration is going to war with with what they call the radical left and plans to weaponize government in all kinds of ways against what J.D. vance has talked about it Vance left wing, what they call left wing NGOs that they're now start about as if they were sponsors of domestic terror. It is a where are we? We're at a dark place, Joe And I'm, you know I take some comfort in the fact that Jimmy Kimmel got back on the air and and gave us a moment that momentary reprieve. But I don't think that their, their campaign against broadcasters and free speech is over, not by a long shot. And it feels this a bit a very, very sobering week at the end of a string of very, very sobering weeks since this administration got underway back in January eight months ago.

[Steve Bannon (Ad/Promo Voice)]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Christians not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that but.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

You'Re not going to stop it.

[Steve Bannon (Ad/Promo Voice)]

It's going to happen.

[Simone Gold]

And where do people like that go.

[John Solomon]

To share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.

[Simone Gold]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Steve Bannon (Ad/Promo Voice)]

Ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose?

[Donald Trump]

If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[John Solomon]

WAR ROOM here's your host.

[Rudy Giuliani]

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[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

26 September in the year of our Lord 2025 the President United States is leaving to head up to the brighter cup. Just had a gag over and play that momentarily. John Solomon joins us with a massive scoop of big breaking news. But I have to say as I bring John Salman on, not only is Comey a bad cop, he's a weirdo. I want to give a hat tip to the Denver crew at Real America's Voice and my own incredible production team here in the war room for intercutting his Taylor Swift his Taylor Swift video from I guess two weeks ago with his very emotional plea last night and that's from a grown ass man about Taylor Swift and you couldn't tell the difference in the two. John Solomon, first your thoughts on Comey. I know you know this situation very well then I want to get to your scoop, sir?

[John Solomon]

Well, listen, the truth of the matter is the people that say that Comey is lying is his inner circle team. It was Andy McCabe who said it first. It was James Baker that affirmed it in a interview with the Postal Inspection Service that we broke on your show a few weeks ago. And in that case, remember what James Baker said to the government? He said that James Comey authorized me to leak classified information to the news media, to his chief of staff, James Rebicki, and then we don't know yet what Rebicki's account is, but I suspect those three men are going to be the main state witnesses against James Comey. It's not going to be a MAGA lawyer. It's not going to be a MAGA talk show host. It's going to be his own inner circle said, yeah, he authorized us to leak, and, yeah, he lied to Congress. So James Comey is going to face justice, probably at the expense of his own inner circle who couldn't lie when confronted about what he had done with the leaking to the media. The Taylor Swift thing, I have a little bit different take. I do find it extremely weird to have an FBI director talking about being a swiftie, but, hey, everyone's entitled to their music. But I think there's something more cunning going on. I think you have to always calculate James Comey as being a calculating guy. He's going to need to raise a lot of money for his legal defense. He's about to undergo a really significant legal defense expense. I think he was setting up millennials and others to say, see me as a victim. I'm like one of you guys. And he doesn't like Taylor Swift. I think he's looking to hit that generation, the millennial generation, for donations for a legal defense fund down the road. That may have been a calculated decision. He knew what was coming over the horizon, and he knows he's gonna have to raise some money for his defense. And I think there's something a little bit more calculating in that than other than just being flat out weird.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

You see John Solomon, all those years in the Imperial capital being the top investigative reporter. That's the kind of brilliant John, cynical John.

[Steve Bannon (Ad/Promo Voice)]

Before we get to your scoop, before.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

We get a scoop, I want updates on Bolton because there's a whole wave of stuff that, that is happening now. And coming to the forefront, the media said yesterday Bolton looks like his office had had secret or top secret documents.

[John Solomon]

Yeah, that's right. There's a search warrant return in his office. They found a secret and confidential classified information, including information on wmd, which is very sensitive. Anything we know about WMD around the world is a very sensitive piece of information. And so this is no different now than the precedent sent two decades ago when Sandy Berger, a former National Security advisor for Bill Clinton in a story I broke when I was at the Associated Press, secret classified documents out of the archives, stick them in his socks, in his pants and try to walk out with him and he got indicted. There is a precedent for this. You are the national Security advisor. You know you have no right to take classified documents with you. The fact that they found those documents in his office and they found earlier information in his email accounts related to the book suggests that he did something knowingly and willfully. And there is. This isn't a retribution. This is a precedent that has been kept for a long time. When you're the National Security adviser, you walk off for classified information, you're going to get prosecuted. Just ask Sandy Berger.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

We're going to take a short commercial break. John Solomon broke a very big story overnight and the President of the United States has put it up on Truth Social. This implicates the institution of the FBI and the senior personnel running it. Post James Comey. Short commercial break. John Solomon on the other side.

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[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

John Solomon. So, John, the story you broke is massive for what it discusses and then also massive for how you learned out about it and what's been been hidden for years. Just take us from the top and walk through, sir.

[John Solomon]

Yeah. Well, first let me just say something about the culture of the FBI. For 35 years, I've covered it here in Washington and in every controversy of the past. It has a history of covering things up. The FBI lab scandal, 911 Oklahoma City, all stories that I broke Russia, collusion. Over the years, I have spent most of my time trying to tell the American people what the FBI did. In spite of the FBI not cooperating under Cash Patel, he has broken that cycle. He is now putting out the evidence that'll allow prosecutors to seek that indictment against James Comey. That is unlike anything I've seen in my 35 years covering the FBI. And unlike that, he's sending to Congress the documents that prior directors and their teams kept from Congress. And today we were able to get our hands on one of those documents. What it shows is it answers the question that Chris Wray would never answer to Congress when he was asked he would not tell how many agents were sent to the Capitol once the violence started there and the riot began. We got that answer because they did an after action report at the FBI. Cash Patel recently found that After Action report, and it is damning, there were 275 FBI agents, most in plain clothes, without any riot gear or protection, dispatched to the Capitol that day. The reason there was an after action review is that a lot of those agents felt like they were put in harm's way. They didn't have gear. They didn't have a way to identify themselves to the Capitol Police that they were cops. If they had to draw their gun, they could have had a friendly fire. Incident. And so that's an important fact. It's something that Congress needed for oversight. And Chris Wray's FBI kept it from it. But the more important issue, long term, all my colleagues in the FBI who have tried to dispute that the FBI has a political bias problem. This episode, this review ended up exposing more than the fact that an incompetent FBI sent a lot of FBI agents to the Hill without gear and protections and then didn't want to admit that to Congress. It uncorked a decade of frustration among scores of FBI agents in the Washington field office that their agency had become clearly politically biased. Those aren't my words. Those are their words. The after action review resulted in hundreds of statements by FBI agents saying, our agency is a mess, it is a joke, it treats conservatives different than liberals. It is woke. It is more concerned about what face mask you wear than what criminal you kept. It uncorked something. And that for that reason Congress was most likely not given this document because it would have affirmed what Jim Jordan and what Devin Nunes and what Barry Loudermilk and all the people have been investigating have been saying. The FBI has a political bias problem. Chris Ray was asked this question. Now that's a political talking point. He would have known at the moment he gave that answer in 2023 that this after action report raised a serious amount of concern if he didn't know he wasn't in charge of his agency because this was a very important document. The learnings and the failures of January 6th. This document is significant not just for giving us the answer we were long denied. How many agents responded? How did they respond? But it's more important that it is a affirmation from the frontline agents of the FBI that they had recognized their agency had become politically corrupted, politically biased, politically incompetent, and they were crying for help in 2021. And that help was kept for them until Donald Trump won the election and Cash Patel was installed. Now on the 275, Steve, I want to give you one possible legal implication. Many of those agents who responded were in the WFO and they most likely afterwards participated in the prosecutions of J6 defendants. They probably executed affidavits in court cases. It is incumbent upon FBI agents to self disclose under the Brady and Giglio standards. You got to play fair by the rules standards for FBI agents. If you were a witness to a crime that you disclose that otherwise. What you say is, I looked at this video footage and I looked at this evidence after it occurred and this is what I found. But if you don't describe the fact that you might have been at the scene and witnessed some of this, you may have engaged in a Giglio in radio violation. We don't know yet the names of the agents, but given that there are 275 of them, one of the exercises that Congress could do right now is to find out how many of those agents subsequently filed affidavits and did not disclose they were eyewitnesses, potential victims at the Capitol. That could result in a lot of appellate issues. It may also provide new fodder to defend President Trump's decision to pardon a lot of those defendants. This may have been a cheating scandal in the court system. So that we don't know yet. But from my experience doing Brady and Giglio issues as a reporter, there is a red flag blinking here today.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

One of the things when I first talked to you, when you had this story and you were, you know, doing your additional reporting to release it, the thing that shocked you was the amount of, of anguish, vitriol that agents had about the way the department was being run, the way they thought it was over politicized, it was against conservatives really quite blunt statements isn't, don't we have an obstruction of justice? I mean the Oversight committee was trying to do oversight. They knew they had a ticking time bomb at the FBI. We had not just J6, you had the grandmothers praying the rosary, had the people arrested for praying the rosary, had the Catholics. You had, you know, all these different MAGA folks rounded up by the FBI. Is there legal. Does the, does the issues that the agents had with the way the department was being run, did Chris Wray obstruct justice by suppressing this report? It's kind of shocking that nine months into Cash Patel's or President Trump Cash came in later his reign at the FBI. We're now just getting this. Isn't this, doesn't this rise to the level of at least an investigation on obstruction of justice?

[John Solomon]

Absolutely, there's no doubt about it. Every testimony given by an FBI officer, including Ray himself, has to be evaluated. Every subpoena that was issued has to be reviewed to determine whether the documents that we're now setting forth and making public in our stories and that Cash Patel is turning over to Congress that they, whether they were responsive and they failed to turn them over. We were going through a four year debate. The FBI was pursuing Donald Trump criminal cases, classified documents, all the way to January 6th. We are having a debate that the FBI might have become politicized and The FBI brass looked you and me and the Congress cameras and said, we don't have a problem. That is a MAGA talking point. That was not true. Your own agents were crying a lot. And listen, I've been, like I said, I've covered the FBI for 35 years. The natural instinct of FBI agents is to toe the thin blue line, that even if your agency made a mistake, we protect the agency for the agents to uncork with this level of bluntness. Calling the WFO a messed up place, the most prestigious office, the Washington field office, using the words political bias, corruption. These are words that agents almost never utter about their agency. They always toe that line. This had been boiling since the Comey era and the January 6 event created a moment where they spoke out and then their leadership looked in the eye of Congress. Looked in the eye. That's a MAGA talking point. It's not true. It turns out their own agents had authenticated it. I think every subpoena that's been issued, if Congress really cares about being an oversight agency, every testimony that's been given should be gone through with a fine tooth combination. And anything that's not responsive, people need to be held accountable. They withheld this from specific requests. Someone or many people should be held accountable.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

John, I know you got to bounce. Only got a couple of minutes, but I know the president thinks very highly of your reporting and your sense of these institutions. I keep saying we have to have a maximum strategy, seize the institutions and have a sense of urgency.

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[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Pam and Todd and all the team over there and Cash and Dan at the FBI and DOJ have a very tenuous grasp on these institutions because they're so massive and they've been corrupt and they have a certain operating style that they've had now really since, you know, the 50s for the FBI, you know, the Kennedy assassination and DOJ since post Watergate. Don't we need an independent group of advisors around President Trump because Cash and Pam are too close to it. They're trying to run it every. And trying to just, you know, tread water. Don't we need a fundamental rethink? And by the way, I'd like to hold you for a few minutes on the other side of this. Don't we need a fundamental group, group of senior people? I tell you what, I want you to answer the other side, but the question is to think about. We need to restructure. This is, it's, it's the deep state. But also we have an institutional problem. You can see in this kind of at the last second we had to kind of get this done because the institutional pushback on Comey, which is quite evident what he did, didn't want to do it. And if they didn't want to do it, it's not going to happen. You saw this in the first term, in the second term when President Trump basically sends a missive to Pam Bondi publicly, all sudden we start to get some action. But if you look at the entire apparatus, we have a very tenuous grip on it. We have a very tenuous grip on the FBI, even though Bongino and Cash I think are doing a terrific job and we think about that. John, I need an answer from the great John Solomon on the other side. We're going to take a short commercial break. Burch Gold, I got a lot to talk about geopolitics later in the show. In capital markets, Russ votes put the fear of God in them. The hills got a story headline Senate Democrats start to get wobbly, start to get a little jiggy because all of a sudden rush vote is laid out the plan to have mass firings of federal employees. Now all of a sudden they might be in for a cr, a clean cr. President Trump's CR that takes you down through November. We'll have more on all that. Birch gold, take your phone out. Bannon B A N N O N 989-898 text it right now. Get the ultimate guide which happens to be free for investing at gold and precious metals in the age of Trump Gold. Near all time highs today.

[John Solomon]

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[Rudy Giuliani]

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Philip Patrick's going to be with us tomorrow. We're going to spend some time going through the latest in what's happening geopolitically, how it's affecting capital markets. Gold at another all time high or near an all time high today breaking 3800. It's the process that drives value. Why has gold been a hedge for 5,000 years of mankind's history against times of financial turbulence? It answers the question we're not selling you a fish, we're teaching you how to fish. John Solomon if we don't do this brother, on Trump's watch, the country is going to be an extremist and you can tell by these bad actors. So tell me what your solution is. What would you tell him?

[John Solomon]

So I'll tell you what my reporting is first. The FBI has been fully taken over. Patel Dan Bongino There are tens of thousands of pages of evidence that have been transmitted to the Justice Department. It is overwhelmed the Justice Department. There are more than 150 requests for subpoenas that have gone to various U.S. attorney's office from the FBI. The FBI has had a complete takeover. There has been an enema. There are still people that need to be jettisoned. They will over time. Some of the strategies that Cash and Dan have had there and have been to take people who were the bad actors who are very close to pensions and say hey, you're not going to get your pension, you're going to get fired if you don't tell me exactly what the hell went on here. The last 10 years they've been able to squeeze out secrets from the former insiders of the Comey Ray world. And but we have a major problem. The speed at which the FBI is producing the evidence is overwhelming. And Justice Department that is grossly understaffed and it has resulted in some of those silly moments like Pam goes out and says something about Epstein that's not true. But the FBI is in a good shape. It still needs a long term redirection and that's where as Devin Nunes has proposed a blue ribbon Commission of experts, including people I think they ought to put on this Blue Ribbon Commission. People who are wrongly pursued, victims of the FBI have passed as part of the Blue Ribbon Commission because there's no better perspective how to fix something than somebody that was wronged by the institution. That's the long term solution. But we have a short term problem. You saw this play out in the last few days with the Comey indictment. The Comey evidence was over the Justice Department for months. The Justice Department simply is not able to keep up with the flow of evidence coming in from the FBI. The President needs to get more lawyers, more resources there, get more U.S. attorneys. Listen, you've got Stanley Woodward, who's a really major important player in the Justice. He's still not confirmed. We're eight months into the presidency and someone at that level is not confirmed. The Justice Department is overwhelmed by the evidence that the FBI is turning over. It's overwhelmed by the subpoenas. It needs to be resourced so that we don't run the clock on statute of limitations. After that's fixed, that's a short term fix. Then I think a blue Ribbon commission to reexamine the CIA and the intelligence community, the odni, the FBI and the Justice Department because it was one big machinery that ruined this country the last 10 years. And as soon as Donald Trump's gone, it will go back to ruining this country unless its compass is radically reset. The smartest people I talk to think a blue Ribbon commission like we had after 9, 11 or during the 1970s, the Church Commission, that that's the way to go. And I'm sure we can find the political will to get that done. But right now there's a bigger crisis. There are strong, strong criminal cases that the FBI has dug up that are not in a position to be prosecuted because the Justice Department is grossly short of resources right now. We got to solve that or we're going to be damn frustrated a year from now when we see people walk who could have been prosecuted.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Okay, is that because, let's leave aside the unacceptable not going on a real recess and, and having recess appointments to break this logjam, which is outrageous. Let me put a pin in that is the rest of the problem is that we just don't have enough talented people who kind of like the cut of President Trump's jib and feel comfortable in a mag administration. Or is it, is it more at the top? We just haven't processed enough people through. Do we have a manpower problem of talent or do we have A log jam of just getting people through and, and getting him signed up.

[John Solomon]

I think Pam Bondi should go to the President. This is a leadership issue. There's always enough people, conservative side or skilled. There are prosecutors.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

He's not going out either. Let's try to reboot him. We're gonna try to reboot down John Solomon. I tell you what, let's go ahead and play the. While we reboot. Go ahead and, let's go ahead and play the gaggle right now. We got Rudy on deck. Let's go and play the gaggle. Put the gaggle.

[Donald Trump]

I'm gonna go for a little while to represent the United States at the Ryder cup, which is very exciting and we'll be watching that. This is Kai, by the way, in case you didn't. Now, how are you? And we'll be watching Little Gulf. I think we have maybe a deal on Gaza, very close to a deal on Gaza. How are you? Hello, Peter. And it's looking like we have a deal on Gaza. And we'll, we'll let you know.

[John Solomon]

Mr. President.

[Donald Trump]

Mr. President, I think it's a deal that will get the hostages back. It's going to be a deal that will end the war. It's going to be a deal which. It's going to be peace. I think we have a deal that'll be number eight, Peter. Mr. President, I'm James Comey. Now that James Comey has been indicted, who is the next president? It's not a list, but I think there'll be others. I mean, they're corrupt. These were corrupt radical left Democrats. His totally essential. He was worse than the Democrats. I would say the Democrats are better than Comey. They'll be honest. Look, it was, that's my opinion. They weaponized the Justice Department like nobody in history. What they've done is terrible. And so I would, I hope there were, frankly, I hope there are others because you can't let this happen to a country. Will you appoint, will you appoint?

[Steve Bannon]

Affirmative.

[Donald Trump]

Well, we'll see. But it's a pretty easy case because look, he lied. You saw my truth today. He lied. It was. Yes. He didn't say. Well, in my opinion he didn't do a lot of things that maybe he should have, but I don't think he could because he lied. That was a very important question that he was asked and he wanted to be specific. But he didn't. The only thing that happened to him, he didn't think he'd get caught. That answer that he gave, that was a very important answer. And it was very. For him, it was a very good answer if he didn't get caught, but he got caught lying to Congress. Are you worried now that the next time there's a Democratic president, they will indict your FBI director or people in your industry? That's what they tried to do, right? They did it with me for four years. They went after me. They went after me for four years. And that doesn't include the four great years that we had in the White House. So when I ran it in 2016, when we won, it began before I got to office. You know, that. Wait a minute. Before I came to office, I started hearing rumors about Russia. I said, what the hell do I have to do with Russia? Nothing. And then it got worse and worse. And some of the fakers, not you, but some of the fake news picked it up and they loved it. And we went through a long time with that. And despite that, we had a great first term, but that's how it went. Is this more about justice or is it about revenge? It's about justice, really. It's not revenge. It's about also. It's also about the fact that you can't let this go on. They are sick, radical left people and they can't get away with it. And Comey. Comey was one of the people. He wasn't the biggest, but he's a dirty cop. He's always been a dirty cop. Everybody knew it. And it's, you know, as far as the case is concerned, he gave an answer. It was a strong answer. He then verified it a couple of times because that was a very important answer. If he would have equivocated, if he would have been like a little bit less sure, that would have been very bad for him. So he gave an answer. The only problem is for him, he didn't think it'd be caught, and he got caught, I think, about justice. He lied. He lied a lot. But this was a very important thing. He could have said, well, maybe or I don't remember. He didn't say that. He gave a very specific answer and then he verified it numerous times and he got caught. The problem that told me has, since he got caught lying and he was very strong, it's not like, well, maybe or I don't remember. He gave a very specific answer because it was a very powerful question, a very important question. And when he gave the answer, the only problem is he got caught. Well, we're going to see. But the radical left Democrats want to shut it down and there's something that we have a great economy going. You saw the numbers yesterday. They're fantastic. The economy's doing well. Prices are down. We have virtually no inflation. Everything's going good. We're respected by every nation in the world. And you know what happens? The Democrats want to shut it down. They want to shut it down because they want to give ultimate trillions of dollars to illegal migrants, people that came into our country illegally. Some of those people are criminals, but they came into our country illegally and they want to give them the effect over years. Trillions of dollars. And our people aren't going to stand for it. They also want to have open borders. They want to have men and women, sports. They want to have friends, gender, everybody. These people are crazy. The Democrats. So if it has to shut down, it'll have to shut down. But they're the ones that are shutting down.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

John Solomon continues with U.S. president right there. A lot of news deal in Gaza. We'll get to all that. John Solomon, can you finish your thought, please, for the audience?

[John Solomon]

Listen, I think the first issue for the Justice Department is a leadership issue. You got to go and take whatever it takes to get from the White House or other places, a group of people who can come in and clear the logjam and get this done. This starts with leadership. I don't doubt Pam's commitment to getting to the bottom of this stuff. I think they're just so overwhelmed right now for what the FBI is turned over, they can't keep up with it. And that's going to serve the entire country if they don't fix it. So you fix that, Steve. And then when, when this evidence is out in the public and people can see the magnitude of what was kept from us, then you go get a blue ribbon commission and you rewire this entire system before the end of the Trump presidency, much like we rewired the intel community after 9 11. We did a lot of good in after 911 in fighting terrorism. Of course, what we ended up creating was a deep state. We didn't solve that problem. We made that problem worse. We have to fix that. A blue Ribbon commission is what most of my experts tell me is the right way to go.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

John Solomon, where they go to get your reporting? Just the news, the show, social media, all of it. Do we lose? I guess we lost. John Solomon again. Okay, I want to talk about real quickly. I got the mayor coming up. There's no better person, there's no better person to look at and talk to about this terrorism bill and also comey and all of it than America's mayor. We're going to go to Ruly Juliana after a short commercial break. My Patriot Supply. Remember, my Patriot Supply is the company that kind of created the vertical. This is why we call them the axe in the space or the gold standard. They've got a deal, a one year food kit and they don't do this often. One year food kit, normally 4200 bucks is now 2688. So you get a huge discount. There was that 1500 bucks, am I right there? Something like that. Plus more importantly, or as importantly, they put in an additional $1,500 worth of free products. Make sure you go today to my patriotsupply.com. this is a sale I think kind of unprecedented in its scale. One year food supply with a massive discount. Plus they put $1,500 in of additional product. It's pretty extraordinary. Go check it out. Talk to the folks at My Patriot Supply. America's mayor on the other side.

[Rudy Giuliani]

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[John Solomon]

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[Rudy Giuliani]

Oh, I think it's obvious, Steve. The indictment is a giveaway in the history of indictments. I think I know them pretty well. See how short it is? So you might think as a defendant, I get a little short indictment like that. That's terrific. That's. If he committed one crime once, that is a preface, not even an introduction to the major War and Peace novel that the indictment will become. They're beginning with him. Maybe because of the time pressure. I mean, she, she can't be immune to the fact that there's pressure on her. I, I might think it's unfair because I'm a prosecutor and I don't know what good it is to push prosecutors. But this, this definitely is a result of the, the President pushing her a little. And it's a good indictment, don't get me wrong. It's a good case, but it's rather small in the big scheme of things. You've got a case that could be three times as broad as the original Biden RICO case that I outlined in my book. It could be that case plus two others, all in one RICO case. Think of RICO as a novel with seven or eight chapters, each chapter a different crime, different predicates, different, and a different set of penalties. Plus, here's the benefit of rico, Steve, you can take the money away. So if you want to, if you want to defuse some of these, let's say, oh, hypothetically, let's say that people were funding antifa, Black Lives Matter to do those riots. You could bankrupt those operations. You could, you could take their present accounts and then you could spend the next 10 years tracing all their accounts and taking everything else. Case in point, the Teamsters. Joe Genove, your friend and I did that to the teamsters. We spent 10 years, went on after me, after him, and we took all their money out of the Central States Pension Fund, which took all their money out of Las Vegas, which took all their money away from them, which is why they're a pathetic, silly group of old men now and wannabes. You could do that to the criminal money in the Democrat Party. You could find it all and get rid of it because it was all being contributed to illegally trying to stop Trump and then trying to unlawfully remove a lawfully elected president, which gets about as close to treason as you can get. Now, do I have to name the people involved in that? I mean, I have it written down. I mean, that's the whole group. That's Obama, that's Hillary, that's of course Biden. That's the two bums over the two bums in intelligence.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. I want to bifurcate. I'm gonna get to the terrorism thing and the source and all that after the break. You're stick around with me. I want to tell you, you're. I just want to make sure this, we're clear on this. You're saying that the little two page indictment on the line to Congress and the obstruction of justice is just the appetizer when it even comes to Comey. But you're. Because you're saying more things are going to come on Comey. Are you also anticipating when President Trump said that statement right there that you're going to have more indictments in a broader conspiracy investigation about Russiagate, about trying to remove him as president, about trying to destroy his presidency in the first term? Do you think that's what Trump's talking about?

[Rudy Giuliani]

Yes. I'm not exactly sure if the president has envisioned everything that he's talking about. After all, the president's not a lawyer and he doesn't know the tools that are available to them. The president, really. The president's objective isn't even so much prosecution. It's bringing it to a public daylight and bringing it to account. So simple so it doesn't happen again. This is not a question of vengeance. This is a question of justice and deterrence. And if he didn't do it, he wouldn't be a president. If he had nothing to do with this, but this was on his plate, he would have to do the same thing. Otherwise he'd be a lousy president and we'd have this all happen again. The only thing that's going to stop these people, because they are thoroughgoing criminals, very similar to the Mafia people I prosecuted, very similar to the terrorists I prosecuted. And certainly just like the corrupt politicians I prosecute, they'll do this forever. We can be in power for three terms. They'll come back and do it again. The Democratic Party has been crooked. I don't know. The two things they embraced originally was slavery and being crooks. That's what the party's about. Its history is boss Tweed and slavery. Why someone wants to belong to it and not change its name, at least I have no idea.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Is the potential of these broader things. Because last night, the historical reaction by people like Andrew Weissman and others, McCabe and these guys, because you, you. It's not just about Comey. They understand what's coming. They understand what their crimes are, and they understand where this is going.

[John Solomon]

Sir?

[Rudy Giuliani]

Well, the one thing I don't see yet, but I don't know the inside of it, I want to see the one really great prosecutor. What I mean by a great prosecutor is the one who can flip people. People think of a great prosecutor as great trial lawyer, great investigator. Truly. That's all true. Here's the skill that you have if you're a great prosecutor. This is why I made so many cases. This is going to sound terribly, terribly boastful, but I was the. As the best trial lawyer in the U.S. attorney's office, I won every case. So even when I was the U.S. attorney, I would go to court and try cases. I was the last U.S. attorney to try cases in court. Second, I was skilled at turning people. I was taught by the best, and I turned the Mafia people, but I turned a lot of other people. I turned. I turned Russian spies, I turned German Nazis. What I mean by that is you'll see a couple of. You'll see about four, five, six indictments. I don't think Comey. Although you try everybody, you hit somebody and then you try to flip them. They were very unsuccessful in that. The, the Biden criminals. You know why? Because the people were telling the truth. Flipping works when you got real criminals, people, people that are innocent, some of them alive for you, but some of them are honorable enough not to.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Hang on for one second. We're gonna take a short break. The president is landing in Long Island. He's going to the Ryder cup. And boy, do we need the president's spirit on the American side for the Ryder Cup. And the greatest mayor in New York City and one of the greatest prosecutors this nation's ever had, Mayor Rudy Giuliani and hopefully maybe Alex Jones. Later, after the break.

[Donald Trump]

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