
Episode 4821: Trump Flooding The Zone And Breaking The Media ...
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Stephen K. Bannon
They controlling the message, though. So far they have been.
Steve Bannon
They have been. They've used the bully pulpit of the White House, the President himself. You know, I was, I was told by White House advisers yesterday that a.
Stephen K. Bannon
Clue as to how they're feeling about.
Steve Bannon
Things, they feel like they're winning the.
Stephen K. Bannon
Messaging argument, is the fact that J.D. vance showed up in the White House briefing room yesterday, the first time he's done that sort of a swaggering appearance suggesting Democrats, Democrats, Democrats are the ones to blame. He didn't stick to the facts all the time in that appearance, but that's the messaging.
Steve Bannon
And Democrats are still trying to.
Stephen K. Bannon
They're on their back heels. The White House feels Donald Trump is governing like the dictator of America. Right? He promised to be a dictator on day one, his words. He's compared himself to America's king, even to the Pope. The goal of the second term quite clearly is not hiding. This is to assert complete control over every aspect of the federal government. He wants to directly control who gets fired and hired across the entire government and even civil society, from Fed directors to talk show hosts. He wants to directly control who gets indicted, most recently with the ridiculous prosecution of James Comey. He says right now, the position of the Trump administration and Donald Trump is that he, by himself, unilaterally can raise taxes on the American people by a trillion dollars entirely by executive fiat, just by being like, yeah, taxes up. He says he can rescind or reallocate any congressionally appropriated funds, basically at any time, entirely by executive fiat. Oh, there's a bill to spend stuff there. No, we're not going to do it. Okay, but think of all that. But now it's the Democrats who are in the driver's seat when it comes to shutting down the government. That is a pretty tough sell, especially considering Trump is using the shutdown to drumroll, govern like a king in the first Trump term. You know, I think Donald Trump's been unstable and, to Maya's right, unhinged for a long time. But in the first Trump term, there were people who, and we heard reports of this, people who kind of made a pact to say, look, none of us are going to let this guy go unsupervised. It's a dangerous world. We can't afford the kind of thing that could happen if he flies off the handle and there's nobody there to stop him. The people around him now don't care. They're either true believers who think that Donald Trump is on some kind of mission to save America from its own Citizens or they're opportunists, you know, just soulless opportunists who just don't care. And that is really the scariest part of all of it, because, you know, the two things, when I, as I watched that meeting, I had to think that there were people sitting there saying at this moment, and by the way, right now, at this moment, Nicole, as we speak, if the president is doing what he's supposed to be doing, he's carrying a little card about the size of a playing card that carries the codes to 1600 strategic nuclear weapons. The President, in the next 20 minutes, could kill hundreds of millions of people if nobody could stop him. And we never had to worry much about that until, you know, he started talking about the N word and moving submarines around and things that I don't think he really understands. But the other is that when he says to these generals and admirals, the enemy from within, he may think that's a great rally speech, you know, at some MAGA gathering, but to those generals and admirals, what he's saying is, your fellow citizens, the people you are sworn to defend and protect. And I think he just doesn't understand that.
Steve Bannon
We're also seeing here, Russ Vogt and.
Stephen K. Bannon
Others in the West Wing potentially seizing this opportunity to finish the mission that Doge began to really clear out what they perceive to be these Democrat deep.
Steve Bannon
State loyalists, that this is the moment to gut the government and to keep putting their people in there.
Dr. Gina Loudon
Right. And I think that there's no question that health care is a powerful Democratic argument. It was going to be a powerful Democratic argument regardless of whether the shutdown took place.
Steve Bannon
Right.
Dr. Gina Loudon
There were the cuts that had taken place to Medicaid, the cuts that the Trump budget put into place were going to happen regardless. The shutdown is. The Democrats are trying to tie the shutdown to their demands on health care. That may be a good strategy in the long run. It is certainly the case that health care is a good issue at the moment. Though, right now, what it looks like and these messaging wars is you just heard Hakeem Jeffries right there. He was talking about green energy. He was talking about the Trump administration being bad for inflation. He was talking about Trump administration being job killing. All of those things, I think are true. But when you see that bite, it's not the kind of clarity and the kind of focus that you might want in a situation like this, which is really what Republicans do have right now, which is clarity and focus. Democrats did this, and we now have to clear out the dead Wood, I don't think that firing people is going to be super popular, but right now it's not obvious that Democrats have by her Jake, just now on who's who I admire and think is really great, but he was on way too early this morning talking about corruption. Another good Democratic message, but not a message around this, around this shutdown that necessarily has the kind of connection to it, the clarity and focus that you might want from Democrats.
Stephen K. Bannon
How does firing people are mass firings.
Steve Bannon
Help get essential services to the people? I mean, the math doesn't. I don't understand that.
Dr. Gina Loudon
It's a, it's a very good question. And frankly, to me, the one thing that I, you know, you were talking about this on the show yesterday, a fair amount. The Republicans were not in Washington yesterday to vote.
Steve Bannon
Right.
Dr. Gina Loudon
How is that not the central, one of the central messaging points of Democrats just to basically say, where are the Republicans? How can we be responsible for this government shutdown when there are no Republicans in town to vote on this question? I would have thought you would have heard that day long yesterday. And I know it was pointed out by some Democrats here and there. But again, focus and clarity are key if you're going to win this battle.
Stephen K. Bannon
It isn't a small thing. Just to be clear, who has the appropriating power. The power to tax and to spend isn't some like, weird academic quibbling point. It might be the electorate, but like, it's sincerely foundational to the constitutional structure of the country.
Steve Bannon
And I guess my feeling is if.
Stephen K. Bannon
The shutdown is in the place to resolve it, I guess we're not resolving it. I guess we have a new form of government which does seem not great to me. I think that they could include language in a bipartisan way and I've called for them to do this. That clarifies that you cannot do what was called a pocket rescission, which is basically just run out the clock on spending at the end of the end of the fiscal year and say, sorry, we can't spend this money. I think you could get that through in a bipartisan way. Some of these other things, I do think they have actual legal authority. He has legal authority to fire lots of people right now. That's right. Violating the law. He can do those things, whether you think it's good or bad. I just don't think. I've never seen a government shutdown achieve a policy outcome and I certainly don't think it's going to change Donald Trump's behavior either.
Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. You just not get a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
Stephen K. Bannon
And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.
Steve Bannon
I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen K.
Congressman Andy Biggs
Band.
Steve Bannon
Thursday to October in the year of our Lord 2025. It is one year ago. I guess it's tomorrow technically. But I think this is the 365th day of Tina Peters as a political prisoner out in Colorado. And for everything else we're doing is still unacceptable. We have a gold star mother that is being held by Jared Polis, the buddy of Cox, the governor, the disgraceful governor of Utah. We'll get more of that. A brother, Andy Biggs is going to be with us. Congressman Biggs. They continued the tour, the Charlie Kirk tour in Utah and Andy Biggs going to give us a update on that later in the show right there. And the president just put out if. If Cameron, by the way, spectacular cold open curated from a total meltdown yesterday, as we told you. Clarity and focus. The Democrats have a YouTube channel. Kim Jeffries had a YouTube channel that they were going to put up 24 hours to try to compete with, you know, rev and Real America's Voice. Rev in War room as we were streaming service. So they're going to pop a YouTube. They got a YouTube channel. King Jeffries. They're going to go, they're going to stream to counter us. They're going to stream their 24 hours. There were times when there were a hundred folks watching it. It was an absolute abomination. Number one, they don't have a message. And this is why. Let's go back to the strategy maximalist. Maximize everything we're doing, take it to the absolute limit, number one. Number two is to, is to make sure we do it with a sense of urgency. Urgency today. Today. Today. Action, action, action. And of course, number three, seize the institutions. Brendan Buck right there, the old comms director for Paul Ryan is absolutely incorrect. We can do poc. You can't block the pocket rescissions and you can't Block the rescissions and you can't block the impoundments. This is all a fight. As we told you about, folks, about the article, two powers of the President, United States. And yes, he is maximalizing it as. We should have defined this. We should have had this argument years ago. We're having it now. And that's why this shutdown is such a winner for us on many different aspects. Remember, in 2013 and 2018, we had huge wins in the following cycles. We had huge wins in the following cycles. I'll get Degrasse is going to be with us to go through the redistricting. Matt Boyle is going to join us. So we're pretty packed today. In fact, we're very packed. Dr. Peter Navarro from the White House. I want to start with one of my favorites, Dr. Gina Louden. Gina, this is a story and I use this as an example of every day. President Trump is flooding the Zone with actions and activities that would be, in a normal time, would take up two or three days of a news cycle. In this time, it barely gets a mention because there's so much the scale of what he's doing things at, not just the scope of it, but the scale of it is so huge. And this is called flooding the Zone. And you can tell he's broken. He's broken. The media on msnbc, they're just in the mumble tank all day long. They don't even know how to comprehend what's happening. And that's why their numbers are imploding. CNN and MSNBC's numbers are imploring why people on the left can't watch it because it's just a confusing morass of just word salads because they can't get a coherent plan, a narrative plan to counter this. I want to talk about this. People warned about this, this Quiet Skies program. People warned about this for years as being a potential issue with civil liberties. And it was turned on maga, big league during the illegitimate Biden regime for people like Tulsi Gabbard yourself, tell people what the program was, how they turned it to basically accuse you guys implicitly of being terrorists. Ma'. Am.
Dr. Gina Hanger
Yeah, it's almost unbelievable. When I used to whisper this story, I wasn't proud of what happened to me at all. I was terrified. I lived in terror every single day, afraid that jackbooted thugs were going to knock down my door like they did to so many and arrest me. Because on January 7th, Steve, I got on a plane a day after January 6th. On January 6th, I simply spoke at a pre rally event with a lot of other patriots that we all know and love. And January 7, I got on a plane and was told that I needed to get off of the plane or that I would be arrested by federal agents who would board the plane, clear the plane and take me into custody. Then I was followed to the ladies room stage by a TSA agent, I believe, a woman who continued to harass me, mock me, record me in the ladies room and tell me that I was going to, she was going to post it on her Facebook page. You can't make this stuff up. She literally said that to me. And then I was told that I could never, ever in my lifetime be back on federal aviation property and that I was on the terror watch list. And I thought, remember this is before January 6th, Steve. So I wasn't used to this level of infringement on my I thought I was either going crazy or this wasn't really happening or there was some massive mistake. But there was no mistake. The Boston Globe reports, Steve, that 40 to 50 private citizens were added to this list every single day. Every single day. The internal TSA records blacked out the actual numbers, but the estimation is around 5,000 people that were considered. And remember, Steve, these were people who never were ever convicted of any kind of a crime or even charged with any kind of a crime, myself included, wasn't charged for anything, didn't go in the Capitol, didn't do anything else. Tulsi Gabbard is one of them. But American citizens, the average American citizen who just maybe got a flight to D.C. that day or something, they were surveilled the entire time. The director of the TSA at the time was David Pakoski. I think we should know that name. And here you go, Steve. And now they want to talk all the time about Donald Trump weaponizing the government or his position, but not against everyday citizens. He's weaponizing his administration against criminals. And there's a big difference there.
Steve Bannon
Dr. Gina Hanger for one second. We're going to hold you to the break. Dr. Peter Navarro is going to join us from the White House. Interesting segue because Dr. Navarro was they tried to humiliate him in Reagan National Airport, put shackles on Dr. Peter Navarro, one of the most significant political figures in the last 15 years and a close advisor to President Trump in his first campaign, first White House, second campaign, third campaign White House. Now one of the most significant political figures in modern American political history, shackled by the FBI. Short break, Back in a moment. This July, there is a Global Summit of BRICS nations in Rio de Janeiro. The bloc of emerging superpowers including China, Russia, India and Persia are meeting with the goal of displacing the United States dollar as the global currency. They're calling this the Rio Reset. As BRICS nations push forward with their plans, global demand for US Dollars will decrease, bringing down the value of the dollar in your savings. While this transition won't not happen overnight, but trust me, it's going to start in Rio. The Rio Reset in July marks a pivotal moment when BRICS objectives move decisively from a theoretical possibility towards inevitable reality. Learn if diversifying your savings into gold is right for you. Birch Gold Group can help you move your hard earned savings into a tax sheltered IRA and precious metals. Claim your free info kit on gold by texting my name Bannon. That's B A N N O N to 989-898 with an A plus rating. With the Better Business Bureau and tens of thousands of happy customers. Let Birchgold army with a free no obligation info kit on owning gold before July and the Rio Reset. Text Bannon B A N N O N to 989-898. Do it today. That's the Rio reset. Text Bannon at 989-898 and do it today.
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Dr. Gina Hanger
And when I asked what was the.
Steve Bannon
Charge, that's when I asked the charge.
Dr. Gina Hanger
And they said this. I don't know what you mean, Steve. When I asked what I did wrong, they wouldn't tell me. And they said this is me resisting authority and that I was looking at an arrest if I continued. So I just shut up and got off the plane, went to the bathroom to call my husband. They followed me into the bathroom and continued to harass me and tell me that I was a known or suspected terrorist. And I said there's some mistake. I mean, like any American would say there's some mistake, but indeed there wasn't a mistake. And Steve, to clarify, this was before all of the infringements on our liberty that we became so accustomed to. You know, this was before the January 7th arrests. Right. So I had no orientation for what was happening to me. I thought there was a mistake and I thought I would get it sorted out and everything would be okay, but it wasn't.
Steve Bannon
It took. Kevin McCarthy actually got involved in your situation and helped get you off the list. Correct? Are what we perceive is off the list before President Trump shut it down.
Dr. Gina Hanger
Yes, but. Yes, but it took years and it took lots of phone calls with lawyers and things and a lot of sleepless nights and a lot of security for my children and all the rest of it because I didn't know from day to day which night they were going to knock on my door like they did on so many other Great American Patriots.
Steve Bannon
Dr. Gina, social media, where do people follow you at?
Dr. Gina Hanger
Real Dr. Gina that's it.
Steve Bannon
Dr. Gina, I can tell you, you're a patriot and a hero. That's real. You're a patriot and a hero. That's why they came after you. So keep fighting. Thank you, ma'.
Dr. Gina Hanger
Am. Well, the real heroes are the ones who stood even after they were arrested, like your next guest and you. So.
Steve Bannon
Thank you, ma'.
Stephen K. Bannon
Am.
Steve Bannon
Appreciate it. Every morning before the war room, you get Dr. Gina and the team at American Sunrise for a couple hours. Great show, Great way to start the day, particularly with Dr. Gina's bubbly, sunny personality, which you don't get here in the war room unless I got Dr. Peter Navarro, my brother. So, Navarro, I'm going to do this in reverse because I had you on here about the shutdown and all that, but I got a. Since this is about the quiet skies and the finally Trump shut it down. And the reason I started like that is President Trump. You guys are working on things at such scope and scale and urgency that there's a dozen things every day that President Trump's doing that would in the old days drive a news cycle and you don't even hear about it. One is this quiet sk. But with Dr. Gina, they jerked her off a plane, said they were going to arrest her if she didn't get off, and then followed her around and threatened her with arrest at Reagan National. Just like they picked these spots to humiliate you because they understand it's one of the busiest airports in the world of prominent people. Right. This is why they came in. You are one of the most important figures for what you've done for the American people under President Trump. Really working with President Trump for 10 years to do more for working men and women in this country than any other single individual in this country except for Donald Trump. You, Dr. Peter Navarro. Okay. You've dedicated your life to this. They dragged you off like a common, like a murderer or terrorist and shackled you in the, shackled you in front of everybody to humiliate you and break you, did they not, sir?
Dr. Peter Navarro
That's exactly what they did. Stand, Steve, we found a new bombshell last week that kind of tells you exactly what was going on with Dr. Gina, with me and others. I think you've seen this, Steve. Kash Patel found in one of those burn bags an after Action memo they call it, which reveals that There were over 200 FBI agents deployed to J6 that day. 199 of them didn't want to be there because they weren't adequately trained for the job. They were put at great risk. And in the After Action report, what's so fascinating is that they uniformly said that the Washington office of the FBI had become just woke partisan bias. One of the agents contrasted the stand down nature of what happened in Portland with Antifa and BLM and all that. And they're not touched. They were told to stand down on that versus what happened on J6. And it speaks to what was going on with Dr. Gina and I because it was the mindset. I mean, I mean think about this, Steve. It's like Mr. Comey just gets indicted for two felonies, 10 years possible in prison, right? What is he going to do? He gets to go what's called self surrender. He's going to just report without the handcuffs, without the leg irons and it's going to be him sitting there doing his thing. Whereas with me, a misdemeanor, much less possible prison time. They sent five armed FBI agents out to grab me in a gangway. And actually next week there's going to be some blockbuster news. I don't know exactly what it is, but I've been told there's more that's going to be revealed about that leg irons arrest. And this is the world we live in, Steve. And you and I went to prison. Well, hang on, Clark, hang on. Eastman losing their bar cars.
Steve Bannon
They'Re trying to hang on. It's the world we lived in until President Trump said no, I'm coming back because I gotta set, I gotta sort this mess out. And we're gonna sort it out. And that's why I had Gene on. Your guys are doing 20 things every day to sort this mess out that the media we came and curated cause too much of these, of the scale that you guys are doing, rewiring the world's economy, bringing jobs back here, right? Changing the whole Geopolitical order, the shutting, you know, now going to deconstruct the administrative state, which I'll get to in a second. The scale and the scope of what the Trump administration doing is so huge and with such urgency that that 20 things that would drive a news cycle for days in the old days don't even get a mention. And this is why. And that. So it was the world we lived in and it was a world that was going to get more oppressive, more oppressive until President Trump came back. And I just hope we start getting the indictments. I know you're pressed for time. It's a beautiful day at the White House. By the way, this is Dr. Navarro.
Dr. Peter Navarro
This is the Bannon thing where things have, you know, in days, things happen that are years worth. And that's what happens here. I mean they pace in the first eight months of this administration. We're getting more done in eight months than presidents get sometimes in eight years. I would say every time in eight years. This is truly remarkable. Totally restructuring international trade system, which is amazing. Totally restructuring this illegal immigration, getting to the heart of this weaponized lawfare against the whole people of America, really. So it is an honor and a pleasure to be here talking about this, Steve. And in the midst of this government shutdown, I would be remiss not to point out. Do we have time? Let's be very careful here. What's going on?
Steve Bannon
Yeah, go ahead.
Dr. Peter Navarro
Democrats are trying to make about health care. It's about health care for illegal aliens. And this is just going to be another example where the Democrats are totally out of touch with the American people. I mean it's like over 80%, maybe higher of the Arab people don't think illegal aliens should get health care, particularly when Americans are struggling for this, that. But McLaughlin came out with a very interesting poll yesterday which basically says we are now a nation that has bifurcated clearly in the media. You know, if you're listening to cnn, Bloomberg, msnbc, cnbc, you're getting the message that this is about health care. Okay? That's what they're force feeding when the facts are that this is about health care for illegal aliens. $200 billion, Steve. $200 billion these Democrats want and people kind of scratch their head. It's like 80% of the American people don't want that. But the problem is you have concentrations of progressive sentiment in certain states like California, 27% people foreign born, 55% Latino and Asian. And that's a different world than the rest of the country. So you get different Points of view, collapse clashing here. But the lies got to stop, Steve. You got to get to the bottom of it.
Steve Bannon
Hey, Doc, Doc Navarre hanger for one second. I know you got to go back to work over at the eob, but just hang on for a second. I just want to hold you for a minute or two. On the other side, the select committee on the CCP is not doing amazing work. Another underappreciated, underreported story next in the war room. You missed the IRS tax deadline. You think it's just going to go away? Well, think again. The IRS doesn't mess around and they're applying pressure like we haven't seen in years. So if you haven't filed in a while, even if you can't pay, don't wait and don't face the IRS alone. You need the trusted experts by your side. Tax Network usa. Tax Network USA isn't like other tax relief companies. They have an edge, a preferred direct line to the irs. They know which agents to talk to and which ones to avoid. They use smart, aggressive strategies to settle your tax problems quickly and in your favor. Whether you owe $10, $30,000 or $10 million, Tax Network USA has helped resolve over $1 billion in tax debt. And they can help you, too. Don't wait on this. It's only going to get worse. Call Tax Network USA right now. It's free. Talk with one of their strategists and put your IRS troubles behind you. Put it behind you today. Call Tax Network USA at 1-800-958-1000. That's 800-958-1000 or visit Tax Network USA tnusa.com Bannon do it today. Do not let this thing get ahead of you. Do it today. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Dr. Navar had to bounce. They had to get, he had to get called into a meeting over there. What you expect? I mean, this guy, you know, I've known Peter for now years and years and years and years and years. He's a seven day a week guy. I think in the first term, I'm not sure he took a day off. I think he worked all four years, seven days a week. He's an extraordinary individual. Like I said, one of the most important individuals in the country. He's been President Trump's wingman on manufacturing. Bring it all, you know, bringing jobs back, taking on China, the ccp and knowing that for a misdemeanor, for a misdemeanor, knowing that they went to Reagan Airport, dragged him off a plane and shackled him. When I say shackled, I mean around the waist shackles and the leg irons in front of the world to humiliate and break him. And they didn't. They sent him to prison to break him. They didn't. That's what you have to read. Get the book. He went to prison because you don't have to. And it's very powerful. And you better read it because I'm telling you, and this is why I got the grass up here in the second hour. We don't get these redistricting done. If you don't think they're not coming for you, not coming for you, you are dead wrong. Hakeem Jeffries said it flat out. First thing they're going to do when Johnson speaker finally agreed with us yesterday, he came out and said, hey, first thing they're going to do if they're to win the House, if they win the House is impeach Donald Trump and the whole thing's going to change. The whole Trump revolution will grind to a halt. That's what these midterms couldn't be, couldn't be more important. Go get Navarro's book. Do not think this game is over. There's a lot of folks I know in the MAGA movement just leaning on their rake saying, hey, Trump's doing everything. I got that. It's unbelievable what's happening, but we got to make it this way. I keep saying seize the institutions. We have to make this permanent so it cannot be reversed. And that's why what Russ vote. I'm so glad the president put out the true socialist. Morning on Project 2025, the great project. He said the Project 2025 fame. Russ Folk, he's one of the architects and we're going to get in some serious deconstruction of the administrative state, I think starting this afternoon with Russ Folk. Congressman Moliner joins us. He's the chairman of Select Committee on China. And I got to say something, Congressman, of everything going on, the work you and your committee are doing is among, if not the most important work that is happening on Capitol Hill. It's serious, it's detailed, and you are properly addressing the existent, the external, existential threat and that quite frankly, major league internal to the American people. And that's the Chinese Communist Party. First off, talk to us about your committee. We want this hopefully be a series of times we have you on here talk about the great work. But the Select Committee, what is it? How's it made up and what is your role? Well, first of all.
Congressman Andy Biggs
Thank you for having me, Steve. And as you point out, I chair the Select Committee on our Strategic Competition with the Chinese Communist Party. And this is a focus on our relationship with China. It covers our national security, our economic relationship, human rights abuses, the entire framework of this relationship. You know, China has history of 4000 years, but the Chinese Communist Party is a threat, you know, around the world and even on our shores. And so we need to make sure that we are prepared with our national defense. Also, we are in a strong economic competition. I commend President Trump for his leadership in this area. But we have a lot at stake, and that's why our, our focus is entirely on this relationship with the Chinese.
Steve Bannon
Why have we gotten into a situation where we helped finance them? We gave them World Trade Organization authorization, most favored nation. They still borrow from the World bank as a third world nation. How did we turn every institution in the west, in the free market, capitalist west, into a situation to assist them on their growth when the CCP is, and this is actually, without argument, is more murderous than the Nazis, the fascists, Imperial Japan, the Bolsheviks, the Soviets, roll them all up. These people have killed, documented, have killed hundreds of millions of Lao baijing of their own Chinese. How is your committee, how did we get to the situation where institutions formed by American leadership and financed by the American taxpayer get into a situation to assist the Chinese Communist Party not simply in their rise to power, but in their iron grip over the Chinese people, Sir?
Congressman Andy Biggs
Well, as you point out, you know, this relationship has evolved. At first, you know, they portrayed themselves as sort of this benign developing nation, and we bought into that. And quite frankly, our private sector viewed it as a huge expanding market and the opportunity to lower production costs and sell products. And as we've seen under Xi Jinping, the true nature of the Chinese Communist Party has become more aggressive and threatening their neighbors as well as our interests around the world. And so I think it was a hope that they would become, as they became wealthier, they become more democratic, more freedom loving. It's actually been just the opposite. And so our policies need to change as a result of that and reflect the reality of this relationship.
Steve Bannon
The pressure on you guys, I know this from working with President Trump the first term and then being, you know, close to the team the second term. The pressure from the business community and the tech community really hasn't changed. Wall street and Silicon Valley still look as a partnership, right? And that's the pressure on American policy. American policy is captured by a business community in a finance community that doesn't see the Chinese Communist Party as an existential threat to Lao Beijing, its own people, and an existential threat to the American people and its liberties. And the reason is they can make a ton of money. So how do we, how do we break that? How do we actually have Capitol Hill free from that pressure and the administration free from that pressure, Sir?
Congressman Andy Biggs
Well, it's a great point. Our goal is to bring clarity and bring this to light. And so, for instance, when JP Morgan Chase and the bank of America funded the largest IPO of cattle, a Chinese battery manufacturer that's linked with the Chinese Communist Party and supply chains relying on slave labor linked to the Chinese military. You know, you have American investors investing in a company that actually could be developing technologies that would be used against our men and women in the military. Same thing with some of these technologies that are used for surveillance and the abuse of the Uyghurs and Tibetans, other people who are threatened by the Chinese Communist Party. And unfortunately, our taxpayer dollars, our financial instruments are all being used to advance this interest. So we've been working on export controls that protect our national security. We've been trying to highlight the fact that our investor dollars should not be going to fund the Chinese military. But you're right, there's an attractive financial motive for people who are in it to make money in the short term and are not considering the long term consequences of these actions.
Steve Bannon
I want to stay on this point because 100 years from now, they're going to write this up like a Greek tragedy where, as you know, the tragic figure, his greatest attribute, turns out to be a weak. It also has an underside that's a weakness that's used to destroy him. What you just said right there, it's not simply Wall street. They're investing the pension, all these institutional investors are investing pension money. So essentially we have a system now where the American people, their pension money is being used to fund military technology used against us in the defense of Taiwan, in the three island chain in the Pacific and obviously around the world, but also to build industries that it's logical to ship the manufacturing jobs to China. So the slave labor can work for one tenth of what Americans do and financed by the American people. That money is not BlackRock's money. It's not Blackstone's money, it's not Larry Fink's money. It's pension fund money of the American people. That's the tragic nature of this. The American people are financing their own demise and really the economic obliteration of their children. How does that message not how. And I understand the pressure you guys are against, but how does that message not the message every day that we force the technology oligarchs and we force Wall street to have to defend?
Congressman Andy Biggs
Sir, I think your point is excellent. We need to highlight this and make people aware of it. And that's been probably the biggest challenge because this is such an important issue, yet often other issues of the day crowded out in terms of urgency. And so we need to continue to focus on this with a spotlight and raise these issues and help people throughout America understand this. One thing I wanted to tell you about is recently, you know, in Philadelphia, they raised the flag of the Chinese Communist Party honoring the Chinese National Day, which was the foundation of the Chinese Communist Party. This is in the city where our Declaration of Independence, endowed by our creator with inalienable rights to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, our Constitution was developed there. And when you consider that flag raised over the city hall of this great city, it's the example of how these relationships need to change because it's been totally co opted by the united front operation of the Chinese Communist Party influencing here in America.
Steve Bannon
That we were going to bring up. It's out, it's outrageous and there ought to be a penalty for that. But it also shows you how, how powerful they are in subversion and how powerful it's one of the key tools of unrestricted warfare. Last question. I know you got to bounce and we've been a huge supporter of Bridge Colby and the kind of new philosophy over the Defense Department. Pete Hegseth, there's a rumor coming out that the annual strategic review, the National Defense Strategy, and this is one that we changed in the first term from the global war on terror to great power struggle focused on the ccp. Now a lot of the globalists at the time made us put Russia in there too. Fine. But it focused for the first time on the Chinese Communist Party as the existential threat. Our understanding is that the new strategy may actually have that it's not a global threat. It's only a threat potentially for East Asia and for that part of the Eurasian landmass. One, do you know anything about that? And is your committee going to come out with a counter or work with Bridge Colby and the guys of the Pentagon to say, hey, look, this is much bigger than an East Asian problem.
Congressman Andy Biggs
Yeah, no, I agree. This is bigger than an East Asia problem. The Belt and Road initiative that's going on all over the world that China is funding, you know, using ports for dual use, military commercial Their influence around the world is significant. And so it's more than a regional. I do agree that we need to get our regional partners stepping up their game in terms of their defenses. And that's something the US can do, just like we're encouraging NATO to supply more of their own defense. But at the end of the day, we are competing with a very aggressive global power who is intent on setting the rules for the road. And so we cannot ignore that, and we need to be vigilant. And in the case of Taiwan, we need to follow the Taiwan Relations act to help them defend against China taking them over.
Steve Bannon
Amen. Congressman. Social media. And how do people get more access to the Select Committee and the great work you guys are doing? You know, you can.
Congressman Andy Biggs
Our select committee on the ccp.house.gov is our website and I would encourage people to go there and they can access the information that I'm sharing with you today and also follow the work we're doing as a committee.
Steve Bannon
Congressman, thank you. Thank you for the work you're doing over there. Thanks for coming on and sharing that with the War Room posse today. Appreciate you. All right.
Congressman Andy Biggs
You bet. Thank you, Steve. Thank you.
Steve Bannon
Great. Some of the most important work going on Capitol Hill right now. And look, you know, the War Room and ourselves, where the, where we consider ourselves the leader. And this is the leading platform for the anti CCP movement that doesn't always gel with, with the administration. Like I say, President Trump has got a balance. He's trying to balance everything. I mean, this is one of the reasons I think he does look a little tired. He's doing everything. Look, his side deal now is trying to negotiate with the Democrats when he's doing everything else. Stopping wars, building the economy, stopping immigration, stopping this internal threat. We have short break. What if he had the brightest mind in the war Room, delivering critical financial research every month? Steve Bannon here. War Room listeners know Jim Rickards. I love this guy. He's our wise man. A former CIA, Pentagon and White House advisor with an unmatched grasp of geopolitics and capital markets. Jim predicted Trump's Electoral College victory exactly 312 to 226, down to the actual number itself. Now he's issuing a dire warning about April 11, a moment that could define Trump's presidency and your financial future. His latest book, MoneyGPT, exposes how AI is setting the stage for financial chaos. Bank runs at lightning speeds, algorithm driven crashes, and even threats to national security. Right now, War Room members get a free copy of MoneyGPT when they sign up for Strategic Intelligence. This is Jim's flagship financial newsletter, Strategic Intelligence. I read it. You should read it. Time is running out. Go to rickardswarroom.com that's all one word. Rickards War Room. Rickards with an S. Go now and claim your free book. That's Rickards War room dot com. Do it today. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Congressman Andy Biggs joins us. I'm gonna ask you about the shutdown in a second. Of course, you're one of the best deficit hawks up, up on Capitol Hill. But I want to talk about. You're continued. You happen to continue the Charlie Kirk tour. Talk to me about, I guess you guys were at Utah State with Tyler the other night. Talk to me about it.
Congressman Andy Biggs
Yeah, great event. 6,500 people in. That is the, is their biggest campus event they've ever had. Mostly young people, mostly college students. Steve. My guess is about 5,500 of them were college students. Maybe you had 500 to 1,000 that were, you know, faculty, friends, family, whatever it was. The energy was really electric and, you know, just really powerful stuff. And the commitment that these kids had. You know, the biggest line of the night came from Jason Chaffetz, who said that you don't want men with junk in women's bathrooms, you know, or women's locker rooms. Everybody erupted, went crazy, but they also went crazy. It was filled with USA chants. It was filled with, with Charlie Kirk chants and Donald Trump chants. These were patriots, Steve. And this is a new generation, and this really is a turning point for the usa.
Steve Bannon
When you say that you were very close to Charlie, you're very close to Turning Point Tyler and the entire team. What is the lesson when you say it's a turning point? What do you mean by that? I think it is too, but I love it when other people come to the same conclusion. Why do you think it's a turning point and what does that mean for us?
Congressman Andy Biggs
Us?
Well, for one thing, it, it, it, it's a turning point because the generation that is turning is the youthful generation, right? I mean, they're, they, they're young. They're coming out and coming from, to conservative ideals. So they're coming to God. They come into country, they come into family, you know, the, the values that really made America great. And, and I, I as the number of people that want to be in this movement now is grown by exponential bounds. So for instance, there's virtually every high school and every college campus has people on it that say we want to be affiliated with this program, the Turning Point USA program program, because it speaks to them. And that's the youth movement, in my mind, that's going to change the country. I mean, our generation, Steve, what you do is incredibly important and we need our generation to fight as much as we possibly can. But the world belongs to the youth, and youth are going to actually turn this thing around.
Steve Bannon
Charlie was one of the things we spent a lot of time on. We hired him at Breitbart as a writer. I think it was his first job in kind of politics or official politics. And he came out of the Tea Party. And Charlie, I think he used to be on Glenn Beck or send Glenn Beck information. When Glenn Beck, back in the Tea Party days, was so focused on debt and deficit. And Charlie used to love it on the show because he would watch War Room in the morning. He would text me all the time we were on debt and deficit. We're in the middle of this fight right now and the government shut down. So walk me through because you're one of our smartest deficit hawks and we're going to lose you when you become governor of Arizona. So walk us through what, what is the importance of this moment, not just for deconstruction, administrative state, but about rescissions, pocket rescissions, impoundments, and getting our hands around the deficit situation. Sir.
Congressman Andy Biggs
There's so much to unpack there, Steve. But let's just, let's just say that, that the Democrats, they, they kind of played into President Trump's hand. But, but here's the deal. Here's the bad news that a CR that is at Pelosi, Schumer and, and Biden levels is the cheapest spend in Washington D.C. today. So that's, that's out there because the Republicans in Congress actually proposed budgets that were higher in spending. So we actually came, came out a little bit better doing this. But what's happening is the administration is doing rescissions. That means that they are actually rescinding spending. So they've taken money that was appropriated to them and they said, we don't need it, we're not going to use it. They did pocket rescissions where they just said we're not going to spend it. And they did it within 45 days, which the law allows. And the next thing that you have going here is you have this.
Steve Bannon
The.
Congressman Andy Biggs
Narrative itself, and that allows the president to actually come in and actually start reducing the size and scope of the bureaucracy. So you have, you have literally hundreds of thousands of people who've been designated by their agencies to be non essential. That is to say they're unnecessary. We don't need you to keep the government open. We don't need you. It is as if someone is saying in British terms you're redundant. We just simply don't need you anymore. That allows the President to come in and Russ Volt said yesterday he's going to come in and they're going to start riffing people and it can't be a riff in the Marie store. Right? This has to be serious things. And you look at them, you say you really are redundant. And what that happens, it doesn't just take away the personnel. It actually defangs the, the agencies themselves so that the agencies cannot continue to abuse the American people because they just don't have the people to abuse the American people. And that's this, this is really big stuff. It is a, it, it also is a change in direction fundamentally. And we thank the Democrats because they, they walked right into this.
Steve Bannon
Walked right into it. It's amazing. I know you got a bounce social media. How do people follow you, your new campaign and also all your work on being a deficit hawk.
Congressman Andy Biggs
So if you go to biggsfree arizona.com you're going to see me on the unofficial side. That's, that's hopefully making me a governor. But if you go to biggs.house.gov you can see everything that we've got that we're putting out. And just, just remember this. The Democrats made their they blunder because they're so blinded. First of all, Steve, real quick, this, this is Chuck Schumer getting attacked from the left. So he's responding. This is also the left saying we have to protect illegal aliens. That's it, Steve. That's where they are. And that's why there's such a mess right now.
Steve Bannon
Congressman is not if you're going to be governor of Arizona, you are going to be the governor of Arizona. Arizona needs Andy Biggs like tomorrow. Good luck, sir. Look forward to seeing you back here. Congressman. Congressman Andy Biggs. We're losing some good ones. You talk about deficit hawks, Chip. Andy Biggs gonna be tough to replace, but I know their states need a short commercial break. Take your phone out. Bannon B A N n o n text at 989-898. Get Birch. Gold's Ultimate Guide to Investing in Gold and Precious Metals in the Age of trump as gold breaks 3 900. Where'd you hear that before? Where'd you hear that was going to happen? Curious minds want to know. Short break. When I say short two minutes, like short. Back in a moment. Hey. I realize you got many choices when it comes to who you choose for your cell phone service. And there are new ones popping up all the time. But here's the truth. There's only one that boldly stands in the gap for every American that believes that freedom is worth fighting for. And that's the team at Patriot Mobile. For more than 12 years, Patriot Mobile has been on the front lines of fighting for our God given rights and freedoms while also providing exceptional nationwide cell phone service with access to all three of the main networks. Don't just take my word for it. Ask the hundreds of thousands of Americans who've made the switch and are now supporting causes they believe in. Simply by joining Patriot Mobile, switching is easier than ever. Activate in minutes from the comfort of your own home. Keep your number, keep your phone or upgrade. Patriot Mobile's all US based support team is standing by to take care of you. Call 978-patriot today or go to patriotmobile. Com Bannon. That's patriotmobile. Com Bannon. Use the promo code Bannon for a free month of service. That's patriotmobile. Com bannon. Or call 972-patriot and make the switch today.
Podcast: Bannon’s War Room
Episode: 4821 — "Trump Flooding The Zone And Breaking The Media"
Date: October 2, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
This episode grapples with the current political landscape under President Donald Trump’s second term, with a focus on Trump’s aggressive executive actions, the resulting government shutdown, media messaging wars, and perceived weaponization of government institutions. The conversation threads through guests’ personal experiences with government overreach, the Republican strategy to reshape federal bureaucracy, generational political shifts, U.S.-China relations, and the urgent push to "seize the institutions" in order to cement conservative victories.
Trump’s Maximalist Use of Power:
The hosts discuss Trump’s desire to govern with full executive authority, unilaterally hiring/firing, reallocating funds, and even raising taxes — all by “executive fiat.”
“He wants to directly control who gets indicted, most recently with the ridiculous prosecution of James Comey.” — Stephen K. Bannon [00:17]
Concerns Over Supervision and Stability:
Fears arise about unchecked presidential power, recalling earlier attempts by insiders to “not let this guy go unsupervised,” while noting current Trump allies are “true believers or opportunists.”
“The people around him now don't care... they're either true believers... or soulless opportunists.” — Stephen K. Bannon [00:46]
Nuclear ‘Football’ and Paranoia:
Specific concern is raised about the President carrying nuclear codes amid claims of instability.
Media Narrative Battle:
The Democrats struggle to define a sharp counter-message, allowing Republicans to dictate the narrative around the shutdown and government functioning.
Democratic Messaging Struggles:
Guests critique Democrats for lack of clarity — instead of focusing on the practical absence of Republicans during crucial votes or the direct impact of shutdowns, their messaging is diluted.
Republican Clarity & Firings:
The GOP frames the shutdown as an opportunity to “clear out the dead wood” from federal agencies and begin deconstructing the administrative state.
Fundamental Constitutional Points:
The conversation underscores the foundational role of congressional appropriations and spending, raising alarms about executive branch overreach.
Shutdown as Opportunity:
“Maximize everything we’re doing, take it to the absolute limit ... seize the institutions.” — Steve Bannon [08:07]
They view the shutdown as a tool to disrupt bureaucracy, lay off “non-essential” personnel, and entrench Trump’s authority.
Overwhelming the Media:
Trump’s strategy is described as generating so many initiatives and controversies simultaneously that the media cannot keep up, thus “breaking” their ability to control the narrative.
Democratic Response Faltering:
Attempts by Democrats to match MAGA-aligned streaming and media efforts are described as abysmal failures.
“Their numbers are imploding. CNN and MSNBC's numbers are imploding ... because they can't get a coherent plan.” — Steve Bannon [09:50]
Guest: Dr. Gina Hanger (formerly Gina Loudon):
Shares a personal account of her ordeal after being placed on a “terror watch” following January 6th activities, despite having no charges filed.
“I was told I needed to get off the plane or I would be arrested... and told I was on the terror watch list ... this was before January 6th arrests.” — Dr. Gina Hanger [12:10-13:00]
Abuse of Surveillance:
Dr. Hanger describes being followed and harassed by TSA, citing the “Quiet Skies” program as a tool used extensively against MAGA-affiliated individuals without due process.
Contrast with Trump’s Approach:
She asserts Trump “weaponizes his administration against criminals, not everyday citizens.”
Kevin McCarthy’s Intervention:
Ultimately, McCarthy and legal intervention were required to remove her from the list, after “years of sleepless nights” and security fears for her family.
Guest: Dr. Peter Navarro:
Navarro recounts his arrest — handcuffed and shackled in public over a misdemeanor — as an example of unequal, politicized application of justice compared to the comparatively gentle treatment of James Comey.
“For a misdemeanor ... they sent five armed FBI agents ... and shackled me in front of everybody to humiliate and break me.” — Dr. Peter Navarro [23:22]
New Revelations:
Navarro teases more explosive revelations about FBI conduct are forthcoming.
Trump as the Fixer:
There is an emphasis on Trump as uniquely positioned to “sort this mess out,” framing the multitude of his executive actions as urgently necessary.
Framing the Shutdown:
Navarro claims the core of the shutdown fight is about Democrats trying to secure health care for undocumented immigrants, which he says 80%+ of Americans oppose.
“Over 80% ... don't think illegal aliens should get health care, particularly when Americans are struggling.” — Dr. Peter Navarro [26:38]
Media Filter Bubbles:
There is discussion of how media partisanship creates divergent realities for left- and right-wing audiences, with the left allegedly shielding unpopular positions.
Guest: Congressman Andy Biggs (Chair, Select Committee on China):
Strategic Competition:
The Committee’s work is detailed, focusing on national security, economic entanglement, and CCP human rights abuses.
“Our relationship with China ... has evolved. At first, they portrayed themselves as a benign developing nation, and we bought into that.” — Rep. Andy Biggs [34:42]
U.S. Business Community Complicity:
Bannon and Biggs discuss how Wall Street and Silicon Valley profit from (and lobby for) continued integration with China, funding even military-adjacent CCP ventures with American pension funds.
“The American people are financing their own demise and really the economic obliteration of their children.” — Steve Bannon [38:05]
Influence Operations:
Biggs recalls events like the Chinese flag being flown over Philadelphia on CCP National Day, warning of persistent “unrestricted warfare” and subversion.
National Defense Shift:
Concern is raised that recent Pentagon strategies may downplay the CCP threat as limited to East Asia, whereas Biggs asserts their ambitions and actions are global.
Turning Point USA’s Youth Rally:
Congressman Biggs shares insights from a record-breaking youth event in Utah:
“The energy was really electric … the biggest line of the night … ‘you don’t want men with junk in women’s bathrooms’ — everybody erupted.” — Rep. Andy Biggs [45:50]
A Generational Political Shift:
Biggs and Bannon agree growing numbers of youth are embracing conservative values — faith, family, and patriotism — and this represents a “turning point” for America.
“That's the youth movement, in my mind, that's going to change the country.” — Rep. Andy Biggs [47:16]
Reducing Government “Redundancy”:
The shutdown and subsequent “rescissions” (withholding or reclaiming appropriated funds) enable Trump’s team to downsize the federal bureaucracy and remove so-called “non-essential” personnel.
“You have literally hundreds of thousands … designated … non essential. That allows the president to come in … and start reducing the size and scope of the bureaucracy.” — Rep. Biggs [49:53]
Permanent Change is the Goal:
“Seize the institutions,” Bannon repeats, aiming to ensure that these structural changes outlast a single administration.
“We have to make this permanent so it cannot be reversed.” — Steve Bannon [44:00]
“He wants to directly control who gets fired and hired … He says he can rescind or reallocate any congressionally appropriated funds, basically at any time, entirely by executive fiat.”
— Stephen K. Bannon [00:20]
“People warned about this, this Quiet Skies program ... and it was turned on MAGA, big league during the illegitimate Biden regime.”
— Steve Bannon [11:45]
“I thought I was either going crazy or this wasn't really happening or there was some massive mistake. But there was no mistake.”
— Dr. Gina Hanger [13:20]
“For a misdemeanor ... they sent five armed FBI agents out to grab me in a gangway. And ... shackled me in front of everybody to humiliate and break me.”
— Dr. Peter Navarro [23:22]
“This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.”
— Steve Bannon [07:00]
“The American people, their pension money is being used to fund military technology used against us ... The American people are financing their own demise.”
— Steve Bannon [38:05]
“That's the youth movement ... that's going to change the country.”
— Rep. Andy Biggs [47:16]
“You have literally hundreds of thousands ... designated ... non essential. That allows the president to come in ... and start reducing the size and scope of the bureaucracy.”
— Rep. Biggs [49:53]
| Timestamp | Segment Description | |------------|-----------------------| | 00:00–07:00| Trump’s power, Democrat messaging, and the government shutdown struggle | | 11:57–21:00| Dr. Gina Hanger details her experience with “Quiet Skies” and government surveillance | | 22:37–25:48| Peter Navarro on DOJ/FBI lawfare, unequal application of justice | | 26:36–28:00| Shutdown’s framing: health care for illegal immigrants | | 32:45–42:32| Deep dive: U.S.-China relations, Select Committee on CCP (Andy Biggs) | | 45:28–48:47| Turning Point USA’s campus event — youth engagement and conservative momentum | | 48:52–52:01| “Deconstructing the administrative state,” rescissions, mass federal employment changes |
This episode of Bannon’s War Room is a sprawling analysis of Trump-era political tactics — from overwhelming (and, by their account, shattering) media opposition, escalating partisan lawfare, and streamlining government, to waging cultural and generational battles on college campuses and in Congress. The hosts and their guests argue that the GOP’s current challenge and mission is to use the levers of executive power to fundamentally remake government and society, with an emphasis on permanence and clarity of purpose.
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