Episode 4840: MAGA Victory: Letitia James INDICTED

Summary

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Bannon’s War Room: Episode 4840

Main Theme:
MAGA Victory: Letitia James INDICTED
Date: October 9, 2025
Host: Steve Bannon (WarRoom.org)
Special Guests: Mike Davis, Andrew Weissman, Mike Lindell, Dave Brat, Andrew Ireland

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Overview

This episode focuses on the historic indictment of New York Attorney General Letitia James, marking a perceived reversal in the long political and legal battles between Trump’s MAGA movement and its adversaries. Steve Bannon and his panel of guests analyze the political implications, compare it to previous prosecutions of Trump associates, and discuss what they see as the new landscape of political warfare in America’s legal system. The conversation also covers related issues such as redistricting fights in Indiana, church and justice, Hunter Biden, and controversies around Dominion Voting Systems.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Letitia James Indictment: Details and Significance

• [05:31] Mike Davis: Explains the indictment: A grand jury in the Eastern District of Virginia indicted Letitia James on charges of mortgage fraud, alleging she lied about her primary residence to secure preferable terms on a Virginia property.
  • “She’s the New York Attorney General. By statute in New York, her primary residence has to be in New York. So she’s either defrauding New York by living in Virginia or she’s defrauding Virginia by living in New York.”
• The case is prosecuted by Trump-appointed U.S. Attorney Lindsey Halligan.
• Davis argues the case is strong, pointing out the jury pool is from a largely Democratic district, implying bipartisan legitimacy.

Notable Quotes:

• Mike Davis (08:41):
  “Well, the grand jury just decided today she’s defrauding Virginia by claiming Virginia is her primary residence and she got charged with mortgage fraud. So I think it’s like up to 30 years in prison for each count.”

2. Comparisons to Trump Investigations

• [00:00, 04:00, 16:39, 18:39] Andrew Weissman: Voices the “tit for tat” concern, suggesting Republicans are pursuing political retribution after years of Trump-related legal attacks.
  • Weissman distinguishes the Trump prosecution from the James case, arguing that Trump’s trial had “facts induced” and due process, while the James indictment lacks merit in his view.
  • Quote [04:04]:
    “Even if two wrongs don’t make a right… This is where facts matter… In the Letitia James case… Donald Trump had a chance, an opportunity to due process… Here, the process… tells you that career people and even Trump appointed people did not think that there was evidence, there were not facts that justified this.”
• Bannon’s Response: Dismisses Weissman’s arguments as partisan and insists the grand jury system now legitimates charging Democrats under the same standards previously applied to Trump and his associates.
  • Bannon (13:22):
    “Did she say on her mortgage application that her primary residence was Virginia? And if she did, that’s a clear cut case of mortgage [fraud].”

3. Political Rhetoric and “Weaponization” of Justice

• Bannon and Davis repeatedly accuse Democrats of years of “lawfare,” stating this indictment corrects prior political abuses.
  • “Revenge is best served cold. Big Tish. So lawyer up, sweetheart.” — Mike Davis, [10:48]
• Bannon declares that lawfare tactics (prosecution as a political weapon) are now being turned back upon Democrats:
  • Bannon (17:52):
    “We’re coming, bros. We’re coming. Coming for you. You’re not a news channel. You’re an offensive information warfare weapon. That’s okay. We’re in that business, too.”
• Accusations of media collusion with former officials like Andrew Weissman and threats of future investigations into MSNBC contributors.

4. Wider Political and Social Impacts

• Middle East Update:
  • Bannon briefly mentions Hamas declaring “the war is over” and U.S. troop deployments to Chicago ([04:07]); sets tone for a day of “historical events.”
• Redistricting in Indiana:
  • Interview with Andrew Ireland ([33:28]): Detailed discussion of stalled Republican efforts to redraw Indiana’s congressional maps 9-0 in favor of the GOP.
  • Emphasis placed on Republican establishment resistance and the need for grassroots pressure.
  • Dave Brat (40:02): Explains how “uni-party” interests and big donors resist redistricting reforms to preserve lucrative deals, not for “the will of Indianans or Hoosiers or Virginians.”

5. Faith, Justice, and the Church

• Dave Brat (24:24 onwards):
  • Critiques weakness and moral ambiguity in the Catholic, evangelical, and Jewish communities regarding justice.
  • Expresses disappointment with faith institutions failing to articulate clear positions or defend “true justice.”

6. Dominion Voting Machines and Election Integrity

• Mike Lindell Interview ([48:05]):
  • Firmly denies reports he settled legal claims with Dominion Voting Systems, insists he will not settle, and calls for all electronic voting machines to be eliminated:
    • “You think I care who owns these voting machine companies when I want them all melted down and turned into prison bars?”
  • Suggests media is complicit in spreading misinformation about settlements.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Pray for our enemies because we’re going medieval on these people.”
  — Steve Bannon, [03:39]
• “Revenge is best served cold. Big Tish. So lawyer up, sweetheart.”
  — Mike Davis, [10:48]
• “They went after our side for non crimes. They politicized and weaponized intel agencies and law enforcement with made up charges that eventually got kicked by the Supreme Court. …Lawfare Democrats, I would say we are just getting warmed up. James Comey and Big Tish James are just the appetizers. Hearty appetizers, but they are just the appetizers. Just wait till we get to the main course.”
  — Mike Davis, [22:03]
• “I should not be so happy when people are suffering like this. But I would say to James Comey and Big Tish James and the rest of these Lawfare Democrats: Go to hell. And in the meantime go to jail.”
  — Mike Davis, [23:03]
• “He is as pure as new driven snow… Brat pulled it off. Still a Pilgrim. Still is. Still like Sir Galahad, right? Like new, different snow.”
  — Steve Bannon, storytelling on Dave Brat, [41:37]
• “We need to get rid of the voting machines in our country like 132 other countries have. We need to save our country. …I will not settle with Dominion.”
  — Mike Lindell, [50:32]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00–04:04: Andrew Weissman on the “tit for tat” dynamic; Bannon’s rebuke.
• 05:31–11:17: Mike Davis details the Letitia James indictment, stakes, and political context.
• 13:22–23:03: Bannon and Davis on due process, legitimacy of grand jury, and “lawfare” narratives; threats of future prosecutions and vindication narratives.
• 24:24–26:17: Dave Brat on justice, the failure of religious institutions, and the “grotesque” nature of Hunter Biden scandals.
• 33:28–38:49: Andrew Ireland on Indiana’s redistricting stalemate and need for action.
• 40:02–41:37: Dave Brat explains why politicians resist meaningful redistricting.
• 48:05–51:35: Mike Lindell addresses Dominion settlement rumors and election integrity crusade.

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Tone & Language

• Combative and triumphalist: Frequent references to “revenge,” “going medieval,” and the hunt turning; near-gleeful rhetoric over Democratic adversaries’ legal troubles.
• Populist: Appeals to “the people” and working class; anti-elite and strongly anti-establishment.
• Aggressively anti-media: Especially against mainstream networks (MSNBC, CNN).
• Hyper-partisan: Framing events as victories for the MAGA movement and indictments as overdue justice.
• Sarcastic and personal: Frequent pet names and jabs at Letitia James (“Big Tish”), and adversarial language toward political enemies.

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Conclusion

This episode marks what Bannon and his guests see as a turning of the tide in the political-legal battle between MAGA and its opponents. The indictment of Letitia James is invoked as both vindication and retribution for years of investigations and prosecutions targeting Trump and his allies. The episode is saturated with warlike rhetoric, warnings to political opponents, and calls for ongoing action among the War Room audience in both legal and electoral arenas. The show also delves into parallel issues of redistricting, moral authority in religious communities, and the ongoing battle over election integrity and voting technology.

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For More:

• Mike Davis’ organization: article3projects.org
• Andrew Ireland for Indiana: @AndrewIrelandIN on X/Twitter
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Transcript

[Mike Davis]

Letitia.

[Andrew Weissman]

New York Attorney General Letitia James has been indicted. Andrew Weissman, your reaction? I think that I want to sort of address the people who might look at this and say this is sort of tit for tat, that you see that in the Democratic administration. You see them going after Republicans and this is Republicans going after Democrats. This is where one, even if two wrongs don't make a right, even if that were true, but this is where facts matter. In the Letitia James case that she brought in New York, there was a trial, facts were induced. We all could look at those facts. And Donald Trump had a chance, an opportunity to due process and to hear all of that here, the process by which this has been undertaken, like the process that was undertaken with respect to James Comey tells you that career people and even Trump appointed people did not think that there was evidence, there were not facts that justified this. And I think a perfect symbol of the fact that this is different, that what we're seeing is different. It is not normal. It is not everyone does. It is to take a look at Abby Lowell. Abby Lowell is the defense lawyer for Letitia James. He was also the defense lawyer for Hunter Biden in the Biden administration. The Department of Justice actually charged and convicted the sitting president's son. And Abby Lowell represented him and defended him and lost that trial. And he is now defending Letchership James. And to me, when people say it's tit for tat, it's like no. In prior administrations and by the way, Republican and Democratic administrations under normal times, which I agree with Mark, are gone. Under normal times in those administrations, there is no politics that is supposed to be considered. I'm not saying it's never considered. And there aren't those aberrations. Letitia James herself, I understand from sources, was fully expecting that she would be indicted. Again, keeping in mind that the standard for indicting someone is the probability that there may be a crime that was committed. And it's a very low standard. But she was expecting this and bracing for it herself. Prosecutors in the Eastern District of Virginia, some of them driven out by their decision not to bring this case, some of them resigning in disgust about other cases that Donald Trump is pressing and insisting upon. He wants to get to all the hits in his enemies list. Those people have been really tortured about all of this because for them, not only is this not a righteous case, not only is this not a justified case, but for them, it does not even meet the bare minimum for the evidence that has to be presented at trial. To sustain a conviction.

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Andrew Weissman]

And where do people like that go.

[Steve Bannon]

To share the big lie?

[Andrew Weissman]

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.

[Steve Bannon]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. It's Thursday the 9th of October, year of our Lord 2025. Of course a historic day. Very close to having sign off. The Hamas chief had just said the war is over, we're going to get to all that. That there's court pleadings about sending troops into Chicago. Troops already in Chicago. So monumental historical day. Oh, by the way, Big Tish James is now indicted. And Big Tish, you better tell Abby you're going to the big house, baby. Mike Davis, you see all things. I can't believe they politicized this from Weissman of all people. Sir, all the years they went after Trump and all Trump's associates and now having changed the constitution of the state of New York and Big Tish James to come after me. Big Tish, it's a felony. It's a serious felony. I think this is just the first of a number of charges. But Mike Davis, you followed this one for years and you told us years ago Big Tish James was going to be indicted for felonies. What say you, sir?

[Mike Davis]

First, I want to say congratulations to President Trump's U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia, Lindsey Halligan. She is the one who brought and won the indictment against James Comey. And now she just brought and won an indictment against Big Tish James, the New York Attorney General who tried to bankrupt President Trump for non fraud. Remember this. Let's remind your, your listeners, your viewers what happened there. They went after Tish James with Judge Arthur Gerron. This goofball Democrat judge in New York tried to bankrupt President Trump with a $400 million judgments because Judge Gerran with Big Tish James said that President Trump somehow committed bank fraud with sophisticated Wall street banks that he paid back on time as agreed, in full, with interest. They say that these sophisticated Wall Street Banks somehow got duped on the valuation of Mar A Lago. And they said that President Trump overvalued Mar A Lago when he said it was around $750 million. Instead, they said that Mar A Lago was worth only $18 million. Just to put this in perspective, Mar a Lago is one of the most prime pieces of real estate on the planet. It is 20 acres of land in west in Palm Beach, Florida that touches both the Atlantic Ocean and the Intracoastal Waterway. A, a tennis court at Mar A Lago is worth more than $18 million. But, but even though Trump paid back the banks on time, as agreed, in full with interest, Big Tish James and Judge Goofball Arthur Gerron socked Trump with a $400 million judgment and tried to foreclose on the properties, tried to enforce the judgment to bankrupt Trump because who has $400 million in cash laying around? Right. And so fast fast forward to today that the court, New York appellate courts have put a stop to that nonsense in New York largely because Big Tish and Arthur Engoron are such whack jobs. Now, fast forward today, we have learned a grand jury has agreed and indicted Big Tish that she lied on her mortgage application for her second home in Richmond, Virginia. Her mortgage. She got a mortgage on an investment property and she said it was her primary residence. And she got a lower interest rate on that because she lied and said it was her primary residence. Well, here's the problem. She's the New York Attorney General. By statute in New York, her primary residence has to be in New York. So she's either defrauding New York by living in Virginia or she's defrauding Virginia by living in New York.

[Mike Lindell]

Right.

[Mike Davis]

It's one of the other. Well, the grand jury just decided today she's defrauding Virginia by claiming Virginia is her primary residence and she got charged with mortgage fraud. So I think it's like up to 30 years in prison for each counts. It's, I think it's up to $1 million in fines and restitution on top of that. So I think Big Tish is in big trouble now in the Eastern District of Virginia Federal court. Let me make this last point, Steve. This isn't some right wing grand jury. This is in the Eastern District of Virginia and Alexandria, the Alexandria Division. I worked there many years ago. This is loaded up with Democrats, government workers and illegal immigrants. That's the Eastern District of Virginia. So it seems like it's a pretty strong case by U.S. attorney Lindsey Halligan, President Trump's all star U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia, she goes.

[Steve Bannon]

Back to back day. She's bringing, she's bringing big charges against big people defending the little guy looks like every other day. Am I correct on this?

[Mike Davis]

Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, Big Jim Comey is like, what was he like, 6 foot 7? He just got indicted by Lindsey Halligan and the grand jury and then now Big Tish James. So back to back, she's the, she, she is bringing accountability and justice. And I would say to these Democrats who said this to us for four years, actually really eight years of lawfare, but particularly bad over the last four years, that if the grand jury indicts, obviously the charges are legitimate because the grand jury indicted and nobody's above the law. And you know, she, so I think we can use the same thing that they said, including Tish James, by the way, remember, before the election, for her Attorney General election, Tish James actually campaigned on the fact that she's going to weaponize her office to go after President Trump.

[Mike Lindell]

And she did.

[Mike Davis]

She did. And guess what? Revenge is best served cold. Big Tish. So lawyer up, sweetheart. It's going to be now. You know, I will say this, Steve, I, I will say this for Big Tish. I, I hear from, I hear from people that going to prison puts you on a prison diet and helps you, it helps, it helps you get your, it helps you get there to better health on that prison diet. I, I, I, maybe someone who knows.

[Steve Bannon]

I lost, I lost 35 pounds. It was the best shape I've been in in decades. Because you're working out, walking every day. I want to go to two things. The engine room, one of the multiple engine rooms of the war room asked the following question. Hochul, how can she be Attorney General in the state of New York if she's indicted on felony charges? Can Hochul remove her? Shouldn't she be removed or at least take a sabbatical and step aside while she's going to trial and under indictment?

[Mike Davis]

You would think so. I mean, I don't think that Kathy Hochul and Big Tish James like each other that much. So maybe that gives Kathy Hochul an excuse to take out a potential rival on the Democrat side. I love this, like, it's the justice, you know, justice sometimes slow, but justice is definitely being delivered here. And I, I love that all these people on your cold open, all these people on msnbc, that there's no evidence here, this is, there's not a case. How the hell Would they know the grand jury proceedings are secret? How? They have no idea what, what. Lindsey Hallowe didn't present it to the grand jury. And obviously this grand jury thought that there was probable cause to move forward with federal indictments, A federal indictment, because the grand jury returned a true bill on, on this indictment. So I think these MSNBC people are, it's, it's a bit of wishful thinking on their part and it's amazing how they, they've totally changed their tune on this because I remember when Democrats were indicting Trump and his top aides like you and Peter Navarro and, or at least charging you and Peter Davaro and Jeff Clark and his supporters on January 6 and going after parents and Christians, they always said that if there's a grand jury indictment, if there are charges, it's obviously legitimate. So by their same standard, obviously, this is legitimate. Look, it's, it's pretty clear cut. Did, did she say on her mortgage application that her primary residence was Virginia? And if she did, that's a clear cut case of mortgage.

[Steve Bannon]

Simple, simple. But can you hang on for a second? I want to get into Weisman and these guys because they're. Donald Trump had due process. Trump had a trial. Yo, we just got an indictment. Also, Weissman is trying to stand the reason he's yammering and all very nervous. Weisman, you're near the top of the list. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, there are. We're coming after you, too, bro. Don't think you're going to slip out of here. I actually think MSNBC will ultimately be investigated with the media being in collusion with many of these insurrectionists and revolutionaries and terrorists as terrorist violence escalates in the United States of America. We got to get to the bottom of it. Certainly. We got to get to the bottom of it. The financing of it, how it's organized, who their media partners are, what people know. Also, Julie Kelly couldn't be with us today. Hopefully tomorrow if everything works out. She did send me a tweet that there's a report that Christopher Wray is under investigation. In fact, it may even be to a grand jury. Halligan and company are moving rapidly and we know who the punch list is. Brennan McCabe. McCabe talked about right after President Trump won about, you know, being so nervous having conversations to leave the country. Hey, bro, you know, better late than never. Big Tish James indicted with the felony brings a long time in prison. Mike Davis on the other side. Also, we got Dave Bratt. We're going to Indiana about the redistribution PAC today, also world peace. Let me be blunt. Gold is up around 40% this year. That's not speculation. That is reality. And if a portion of your savings isn't diversified into gold, you're missing the boat. Here's the facts. Inflation is still too high. The US Dollar is still too weak. The government debt is insurmountable. This is why central banks are flocking to gold. They're the ones driving prices up to record highs. But it's not too late to buy gold from Birch Gold Group and get in the door. Now. Birchgold will help you convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA. In gold, you don't pay a dime out of pocket. Just text Bannon B A N N o n to 989-898 and claim your free info kit. There's no obligation, just useful information. The best indicator of the future is the past. And gold has historically been a safe haven for millennia. What else can you say to that? Text Bannon 989-898 right now to claim your free info kit on gold. That's Bannon to 989-898. Protect your future today with Birch Gold. Kill America's voice Family Are you on Getter yet?

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[Andrew Weissman]

I think that I want to sort of address the people who might look at this and say this is sort of tit for tat that you see that in the Democratic administration. You see them going after Republicans and this is Republicans going after Democrats. This is where one, even if two wrongs don't make a right, even if that were true. But this is where facts matter. In the Letitia James case that she brought in New York, there was a trial, facts were induced. We all could look at those facts and Donald Trump had had a chance, an opportunity to due process and to hear all of that here, the process by which this has been undertaken, like the process that was undertaken with respect to James Comey tells you that career people and even Trump appointed People did not think that there was evidence. There was not. There were not facts that justified this. And I think a perfect.

[Steve Bannon]

He's babbling. He's babbling because he's nervous. How many. I gotta. I'm gonna do an analysis. How many MSNBC contributors are gonna be indicted? Also, how many MSNBC hosts are gonna be indicted? We're coming, bros. We're coming. Coming for you. You're not a news channel. You're a offensive information warfare weapon. That's okay. We're in that business, too. Remember? They came after us. Coming after you. Oh, it does. It's not tick for Tack. Mike Davis and Big Tish. I think Big Tish, as they get into it, there'll be other charges on Big Tish. Right. So just answer Weissman, though, about, oh, my gosh, President Trump and this is so terrible and so awful. And President Trump got such a good deal from Big Tish.

[Mike Davis]

Sir, it's amazing that Andrew Weissman is saying that it was an unfair process with the Comey and Big Tish indictments when he has no idea what the process was, because it was the first step, the grand jury proceedings, and those are secret. He has no idea if it was a fair or unfair process within the grand jury. And he said, oh, there's. That, there's, there's, there's not evidence for the career lawyers to move forward with these indictments. Well, guess what? The grand jury thought there was probable cause to move forward with these indictments because the grand jury returned true bills both on James Comey and on Big Tish James. And again, this is a grand jury in the Eastern District of Virginia, the suburb of Chicago that is loaded up with Democrats, government workers and illegal immigrants. It's not the Southern District of Texas.

[Steve Bannon]

Right.

[Mike Davis]

And so if this grand jury thought there was enough evidence to move forward with indictments, then there was enough evidence to move forward with indictments. And Andrew Weissman pretends like President Trump got due process and fair trials with Tish James in New York. No, this goofball Manhattan judge Arthur Gerron, did not give President Trump the ability to present evidence, to present witnesses, to confront witnesses. Big Tish James, as the candidate for New York attorney general, campaigned on the fact that she's going to go after President Trump. That's not due process. Andrew Weissman had a much different tune when the Democrats were running this lawfare against President Trump. His top aides, his allies, his supporters, parents, Christians, than Andrew Weissman has now, because Andrew Weissman pretends like he's just some Nonpartisan former federal prosecutor Andrew Weissman is a partisan hack and he is at a minimum a material witness for a criminal conspiracy investigation on all this lawfare that because he was the henchman on this Crossfire hurricane investigation, the Jack Smith investigation.

[Steve Bannon]

Amazing as. Can we play the, can we play the hunter? Can we play the clip as a clip? There's a clip of me outside of the courthouse in Manhattan. My warning to Big Tish James. Can we go ahead and play it? The people rendered their verdict and all this lawfare on last Tuesday one week ago. And like I have worked on for years and years and years, the whole country came together, working class people all over came together and they rejected what's going on in this court, what's going on with President Trump. The law affair of Tish James and Alvin Bragg and Jack Smith and Merrick Garland has been rejected by a landslide by the American people. So the one thing I have to say, Tamara Garland, Lisa Monaco, Jack Smith, Tish James, Alvin Bragg, you wait. The hunted are about to become the hunters. Thank you very much. The hunted are about to become the hunters. Gosh, pretty prophetic there, was it not? Viceroy?

[Mike Davis]

Yeah, they went after, they went after our side for nonsense. They went after our side for non crimes. They politicized and weaponized intel agencies and law enforcement with made up charges that eventually got kicked by the Supreme Court. It wasn't just Trump and his top aides like you Bannon and Navarro and Jeff Clark, you guys have the wherewithal to fight this. They went after parents, Christians, protesters on January 6th. They hunted them for years. So these lawfare Democrats, I would say we are just getting warmed up. James Comey and Big Tish James are just the appetizers. Hearty appetizers, but they are just the appetizers. Just wait till we get to the main course.

[Steve Bannon]

The long and the wide of it, so to speak. Mike Davis, Viceroy where do people go to Article 3 to find you, sir. Now more than ever.

[Mike Davis]

You know Bannon, I should, I was raised to be better than this and I should not be so happy when people are suffering like this. But I would say to James Comey and Big Tish James and the rest of these Lawfare Democrats go to hell. And in the meantime go to jail. So you can go to article3projects.org, article number three projects.org follow us on social media. Donate but only what you can afford and take action. Action, action, action. The War Room Posse Superpower. So thank you Steve. It's a great day for, for the Constitution thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

Great, great honor. Viceroy, you called it. Halligan. What a rock star. I was raised to be better than this, too. But hey, it kind of is.

[Mike Davis]

What?

[Steve Bannon]

Prison changed me. I'll fall back on that. How's. How's that? Big Tish? James, you don't know how evil these people are. And look how worried they are. Weissman, get ready. We want you sweating every night, getting ready for the big bills. McCabe, you wet yourself. When President Trump came to office, said there's conversations every day about leave the country. Leave the country. Go ahead. That's what America means to you. Go ahead and leave the country. Leave. Take off. Dave Brat. You're sitting there going, hey, the Viceroy and Bannon buried the lead, sir. As you know, we take that very seriously here at the War Room. What do you got for us, Dave Brat?

[Dave Brat]

I just picked up on one footnote. You guys missed the nerve of Weissman weighing in on Biden Jr. The week that John Solomon and company come out with a bombshell on the CIA report of the Biden and Biden Jr. And Biden family corruption in Ukraine. That's in addition to Congressman Scott Perry With $30 million in checks going to the Bidens from China, et cetera. We could go on and on and on. And Russia Gates, the most serious. Right. The file and the English file through the Hillary campaign, etc. But that. I just caught that one. Weissman, he better brush up on his law school days. Not a good day to drop, by the way. The FBI, the tough guys, they're pretty hardened from what I heard. They were gagging and couldn't watch what was on the Biden Jr. Laptop because it was so grotesque. And finally, I'll just weigh in on Mike Davis and you and your. Raised better. No, I don't think you could have been raised better than you two. The church is all messed up. The Catholic Church, the evangelicals, the Jewish. No one's clear on what justice is anymore in any of these traditions. They've all been incredibly weak. There's no intellectual case the Catholics used to have, just war theory and all this great stuff. And now the Pope. I don't know what's going on. I won't go there because I'm a frozen chosen Presbyterian. But my mainstream churches are all woke. The evangelicals don't have systematic theology built up for justice. For how do we build the institutions necessary? So the church, we got to get going. We got to do better. But I would not apologize for true justice taking place. That's a good day.

[Mike Davis]

Yeah.

[Steve Bannon]

That's a good day. Big Tish James, by the way, at in the second hour, I think we'll close the show. I'm going to go to Rome and Ben Harnwell is going to address exactly what Brother Day Brett brings up. There's been absolutely this horrible situation in the Catholic Church in the last 24 hours where the Pope is coming out in an official document. Now, it's not one of the ones that about being infallible. It's not church doctrine. But he's essentially coming out strongly against President Trump and MAGA's immigration policies, our mass deportation policies. And he's specifically telling the Catholic bishops to get up on it and to fight us. And of course, him coming, you know, the prevost coming from Chicago, it adds even more weight to it. This is a very serious and a very dangerous situation with as I hate to say it, I told y' all about Previs. This guy from Chicago in particular, all the traditional Catholics, all the trad Catholics. Oh, he's great because he wears the right vest, right colored vestments and hold his hands the right way. No, no, no. He's worse than Francis. Worse, worse. But Ben Harn was going to come and give us the faxes. Dave Brat's going to stick around. We're going to go, by the way, we got to talk world peace. Everything that happened in the, in the cabinet meeting today, which was historic. President Trump rapidly moving to bring peace to the Middle East. The Hamas has already said, I think the war is over officially. A lot more to get to and President Trump working nonstop. But we're going to go to the Hoosier state and we're going to talk about 9, 0, the redistricting wars. Now are the preamble to the 2028 election. Indiana next in the war room. You know, I didn't know this until the guys at Field of Greens, the doctors and the experts told me about it and then gave me information. It was fascinating. We have two ages, our actual age and our body's internal biological age. 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We're going to do three hours on Saturday. We're going to cover an official event they're going to have in Washington, D.C. we will cover it from 5pm Eastern Daylight Time until 8. Of course, we're at the team full coverage. Lots of Marines and former Marines will be on there. And then the following, the following Saturday, there'll be another we'll give more information about that hopefully tomorrow or on Saturday. For Saturday the 18th, more coverage of Marine Corps 250 or as certain former Marines told Cleo Pascal, who's my co host for Navy 250, tell Bannon we're finally going to he's finally going to cover the men's department of the United States Navy. So it's going to be spectacular. Also tomorrow there's going to be a rally at Seaport Seaport at the Seaport Pier in Wildwood, New Jersey. It's going to go from four to seven for the gubernatorial candidate and a host of other people. Cliff Maloney is going to be there. Scott Press is going to be there. Jack Posobec, Benny Johnson. We're going to be live on the show from 5pm to 7pm tomorrow. So I want to make sure everybody's there. We're going to get tons of guests in this New Jersey race hangs in the balance. Dave Brett is riding shotgun with me. We're going to get more to had a great cold open about the cabinet being historic today. What's happening in Gaza, world peace. Also in Chicago the hearings about sending the facilities federal troops in the nationalized or the federalized I should say National Guard but I want to go to like I said the battle over redistricting now as we've been fighting this audience has been fighting the front in Texas for the last couple of months and of course we're fighting this situation in California. But I want to go to a couple of weeks ago bring in Andrew Ireland from the House of Delegates in Indiana. One of the leaders, small group of leaders in the House of Delegates that are fighting to go nine zero. So Andrew, I think it was a couple of Saturdays ago we came in live to the head Degrasse and Rahim had a, had a conference out there with five or six hundred people. Senator Banks was there. We know we got 8:1 but people all jacked up about 9o but is that kind of hung up right now? I mean what's the status? Because we have to maximize this. First off the census would demand it. The how people moved around states would demand it. It's the only fair thing to do. My understanding we may have hit a speed bump in Indiana, sir.

[Andrew Ireland]

That's exactly right. We got to get it done. I feel like we have hit a bit of a speed bump here in Bard Red, Indiana right now. You know, we still haven't called the special session. We're still, we're kind of in a holding pattern right here and I understand, you know we're trying to kind of figure out where everybody's out on that but at the end of the day, you know the clock is ticking. We only have so much time to get this done and every day we wait is another day that you know we're risking not getting it done.

[Steve Bannon]

So I mean tell us what the process is because we're burning daylight here. We have throughout the country from, from, from Nevada to Missouri to Ohio. There's you know, 21. We've got five in Texas we should have eight but we got five. There's 16 more to go and we got to get it now because you got a set of primaries and you know all the Logistics dealing with the elections of 2026. Just walk us through the process. Why does this seem like it doesn't have momentum at the moment and what can be done about it and what's the process we actually have to get done to get this approved?

[Andrew Ireland]

Yeah. So, I mean, you know, kind of to start the whole process, we've got to call a special session. We're a part time legislature. We're not meeting right now. So we're going to change the maps. We got to come back in, we got to get back to work. And so that, you know, it's step one, but then we've got to get a map together. We've got to get it passed to give one our little local need, local election officials the time to do what they need to do. I mean, the filing deadline in Indiana to run for Congress is February of 2026. So we're only a couple months out now. We've got to figure this out soon. I mean, you know, I had a chance, I'm a former deputy attorney general here in Indiana to go and handle some of the election litigation that came here in 2020. And I got to tell you, I mean, there are a lot of judges out there that I think this is a perfectly legal process and we're going to get a map that's going to stick. But they're going to be judges and they're going to be lawyers that are going to try to stand in the way of that. And so there's going to have to be a process there. We're going to have to litigate this out, which means we have to give ourselves time to get the job done. So again, I'm hopeful that we're going to call that soon.

[Steve Bannon]

Who's the deciding figure? Is that Governor Braun? Because I know Governor Braun's pretty maga. Is he having second thoughts about this?

[Andrew Ireland]

Well, I think the governor's signaled that, you know, he fully supports this. I think he'd like to call a special session, but they're trying to see, you know, where the votes are. If there's enough votes in our house and our Senate to get the job done. And I think that's where the hang up is right now.

[Steve Bannon]

What do you think? You have the votes in the House here. What people are telling me is that it's the Senate in the Indiana legislature. That's the problem. Do you think you have the votes in the House right now?

[Mike Davis]

I hope so.

[Andrew Ireland]

You know, I don't have a whip count, honestly, Steve, but, you know, got my vote I know there are a number of members of the House vocal about their support for this. Maybe, you know, less so, maybe in the Senate right now. So I think that's where a lot of the intrigue has been. But honestly, I don't have a whip count on either one. That'd be my suspicion, though.

[Steve Bannon]

The Hoosier state is as red as you get. It's also people look to the Hoosiers as common sense and kind of fairness, but it's a huge MAGA state. I don't understand. I think people are confused on our show when they. There's other states where we know we have issues for good reason. We just can't think of any good reason. There is in Indiana. Can you make that clear to people of what the hangup is? Is something with the establishment, is the Mitch Daniels wing of the party doesn't like fairness, doesn't like to have a map that really represents people in Congress. I mean, there's got to be something or this would have gotten done correct. Because it's not that it's. This is not a heavy lift. There's a couple of states you could actually say certain of these are heavy lift. Nine zero in Indiana is not a heavy lift. So it has to be something else. Do you have an idea what that is or can educate this audience about it?

[Andrew Ireland]

Well, I got to tell you, again, I don't get it. Honestly, to me, this seems like the easiest vote in the world, frankly. We should have had a nine zero map a long time ago. We are a bright red state. I mean, we were as red as a stop sign. And yet we're a state right now that we're actually home to one of the most radical members of Congress of the ball and Andre Carson here in my backyard in Indianapolis. He represents kind of the northern portion of the city. And I mean, he's part of the Hamas caucus. And for some reason, we want to draw a map right now that protects that guy, that ensures that that guy wins every time, no matter what. To me, again, I think we got to get the job done soon. I couldn't tell you, you know, what the hang up is, but this seems like a very easy vote.

[Steve Bannon]

So, Andrew, where can people. Do you have a website? Do you have social media that people can go and get more educated, the posse pound in here? But we don't want to do it, you know, until you guys are ready. So can you. Do you have a site or social media that you can educate people more on the actual details?

[Andrew Ireland]

Yeah, absolutely. My Twitter handle My X handle. Is Andrew Ireland in for Indiana?

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, perfect. We will send everybody over there today. We look forward to having you back. We have to go nine zero in Indiana. Andrew's 100% correct. It is as red as a stop sign. This is the only fair thing and you can't all these things get gerrymandered to protect these radicals. And it's time. The good folks in Indiana don't deserve that. Andrew Ireland, thank you so much for being on here. Appreciate you.

[Andrew Ireland]

Thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

Dave Brat. We're going to get to everything else. I want to go to this redistricting fights. I mean you actually were party tour redistricting during your time in Congress. This is so important. Look, the battle of 28, the war in 28 starts with the battle here. The redistricting wars are so important. I'll tell you who understands that. Gavin Newsom. Gavin Newsom understands fully that his whole argument to be President of the United States can't be on how he's governed California. That's a disaster and he knows it. It has to be that. I stopped Trump and I negated the five seats they legitimately picked up in Texas. I took a state that is what the 42, 43, 44% Republican and took it from 43 House seats to nine to 48 to four. Basically stole. Going to steal five seats. What is the hang up though? Bossie was on this morning. You've got these governors in the in various states that are just hesitant to basically drill down in the fight to get this done. Why is that? Why are politicians very hesitant to do these redistricting fights?

[Dave Brat]

Yeah, you know what the answer is? My Republican leadership in the House and Senate in Virginia of course went along with my redistricting. I found that out after the case. I was a liberal arts professor. I was not well acquainted with the main ingredient. Politics is money. The bigger majority you get, the more the Republicans are in control. In Virginia, the motto was keep it small and keep it all. Keep all the power concentrated in a few people. Four, you know, billionaire guys ran the state, wrote the checks. That was widely known. When I won that unexpected big election, I ruined a lot of business deals. And the folks at the top don't want instability. That's what it's all about. They don't want to. That's going to upset some Democrats. It's going to upset the stability of their business deals. They have over the five to ten year window. You might lose some Democrat support where they need it for business deals, not for the will of Indianans or Hoosiers or Virginians. And it's always the case, right? I got sued for a million two, right. I wasn't acquainted with getting sued for a million two coming out of the liberal arts economics professor land. So I learned the hard way. And now we got Spamberger and all sorts of issues in Virginia. It's getting interesting. Finally, because of shows like yours, there's more transparency. What's going on. And the uni party is getting caught with its hand in a cookie jar all over the place. And again, I'll just. The state Freedom Caucus crew. That's a good crew. People need to sign up.

[Steve Bannon]

Good crew. Okay. I have to tell you, I have to have a confession. I was a integral part of Dave Brat's first run. Not volunteer. I got volunteered because I thought Brad had no chance. Here's why I thought he had no chance. He was just too nice a guy. Ron Maxwell, the great director, found him because he was obsessed about taking Canter out in a primary. And having come from Richmond and known Tom Blahley, the guys run the Catholic funeral home down there. Very central to the Catholic community in Richmond, which is relatively small. That's the one the FBI went after. My parents traditional Catholic Latin mass parish. Tom Blally's driver, his body man was Eric Cantor. And the Cantor family is very well known and kind of revered by the Catholic community down there. They're very giving the Jewish community center. They would open up to the kids to swim in the winter. I mean just really great guys. And the Cantors were as good a family and nicest people as possible. Really nice. I mean, super. They're Mensches, right? So, but Cantor was so, you know, he was a young gun. He was McCarthy's guy, you know. And so he had just totally gone in, sold out to the system. So they want to run a guy against him and they, and they say we got the perfect guy. And I go, who is economics professor? I go where I go, Randall, you go Randolph Macon. I said, that's like a. That's like a country club. It's not even a college. So hold it. They introduced me to Brad and I tell Maxwell, I said, that guy is such a pilgrim. He is as pure as new driven snow. He's got a theology degree from Princeton. He has no earthy idea how the world actually works. And you're going to pick this guy up into, I mean literally go into battle with the biggest vested interest. I told Maxwell, I said, in the history of the Republic, the majority leader has never Been defeated in a primary. It's never happened. And we've been around a couple hundred years. It would have happened if it could have happened. And it ain't going to happen with this pilgrim brat. 1000% wrong. 1000% wrong, Dave. Brad pulled it off. Still a Pilgrim. Still is. Still like Sir Galahad, right? Like new, different snow. Brat, stick around for a second. You're in the war room on a historic Thursday. If you're a homeowner, you need to listen to this. In today's AI and cyber world, scammers are stealing home titles with more ease than ever. And your equity is the target. Here's how it works. Criminals forge your signature on one document, use a fake notary stamp, pay small fee with your county and boom. Your home title has been transferred out of your name. Then they take out loans using your equity or even sell your property. You won't even know it's happened until you get a collection or foreclosure, foreclosure notice. So let me ask you, when was the last time you personally checked your home title? If you're like me, the answer is never. And that's exactly what scammers are counting on. 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But you know, Dave Brat's a historic figure. Nobody in the history of this republic has ever challenged a sitting majority leader. Remember the way the House works. If you have the majority, your top guy is the speaker of the House. But the guy that really runs the deal, right, day in and day out is the majority leader. That would be Scalise now. And that time it was Eric Cantor because the young guns were going up. You know, you had McCarthy, you had Ryan, you had Cantor. Those were the three young guns. No one had ever in the history of this country taken on a sitting majority leader in a primary and beaten them. Dave Brat is the only person that's ever done that. And Dave Bratt, on that victory, completely changed the arc of history because it changed. They were going to have an amnesty. Zuckerberg was coming back for a huge amnesty meeting the next day. Fox was all in. They were all in. Brat's victory, running on an anti immigration, you know, no amnesty. Build the wall. And it laid the predicate for a guy named Donald Trump a couple of years later. So you could say that Dave Brat was actually John the Baptist in this regard. Anyway, I got a couple more great Brett stories. Talk about a pilgrim. This guy had no earth. He is as pure as new driven snow. Brad, you hang on. Mike Lindell, I'm confused now. I've actually bumped the coal open at 6 o' clock because I saw this thing today with, with this company buying, you know, buying, you know, buying Dominion and Raheem is one of the guys working on that. I talked to Raheem, he was going to try to come on, but we didn't have enough time. And I'm going to try to get Raheem on tomorrow because Raheem had a big lunch meeting yesterday at Butterworths and had all the prominent D.C. political operatives and media types. Raheem, obviously Butterworths is the place to go. Raheem's one of the owners and kind of runs it and is obviously prominent. But in talking, just doing my due diligence so I could come on and explain it. They started going through all the deals that are settled and they told me, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Lindell. And I go, Mike Lindell, are you sure? I kind of asked him this question every other day on the show and he's all huffy and gruffy. I'll never saddle on Mike Lindell. And they said, no, no, no, Mike Lindell. So hold it. Then I see all these news sources, the stories are exploding. Mike Lindell settles with Dominion to close deal. I just want to hear in your own voice, in your own voice. I know you're very like a brother to me. Did you settle with Dominion voting system, sir?

[Mike Lindell]

100% no and Steve, it's even worse. I've got every media outlet calling me in the country. CNN calls up Mike, but a conservative, a conservative bought Dominion voting machines. And he says he's gonna go to paper ballots. He's gonna promote paper ballots. I'm going, gee, what's wrong with that picture? You think I care who owns these voting machine companies when I want them all melted down and turned into prison bars? It don't matter if you're a conservative. And then the guy goes, and you settled. I go, no, I didn't sell. And once again, it's fake news on top of fake news. That news is so far fetched that nobody in the country even believes it. I mean, I mean, you think I want to have.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on, slow down, hang on, slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down. You can't blame the media, you can't blame the media for this one. And cnn, I think they're putting it out. And I don't know if it may be. It may be a miscommunication between their lawyers and the guy that owns and runs the company, or maybe it's a miscommunication between his comms people, because I think they are, and I believe they believe this is true. They're saying, yeah, Rudy settled. They're getting clearing all these out. And Mike Lindell settled. I said so. I just want to make sure you're on the record. You have not settled with Dominion voting 100%.

[Mike Lindell]

No. And I'd like to. You know what? Why don't we make that call, a national call? They can call up to me and ask me what I would want. I'll tell you what the settlement would be. Take all your machines, you guys go make blenders or something. But you shouldn't be making voting machines for our country. Okay? That's what you need to do. Go make blend. I don't care what you make. You know what? You've attacked my pillow and attacked my company and you just tried to destroy me and destroy our voices. Because we want paper ballots hand counted, everybody. Don't let this new company or any of them fool you when they say we're all, we promote paper ballots. We all have paper ballots, but they're counted by machines and they come out of these machines. So, Steve, it's an out and out, complete lie. And you're right. Maybe the media doesn't know about it because actually these guys that are calling me all day long from CNN and others, you know, they actually like, well, Mike, it's. The news is out that's what the company says. They're saying that to try and put this out. Nobody believes it. Steve, I'm glad you had me on to set the record straight. I have not settled with Dominion.

[Steve Bannon]

And you will not settle with Dominion. Is that what I'm hearing? Till they melt down all.

[Mike Lindell]

I will not settle with me. Yeah, we need to get rid of the voting machines in our country like 132 other countries have. We need to save our country. You think I'd walk away now and go, okay, you've destroyed my pillow. Yeah, yeah. Have a nice day. You know, oh boy. I'm really. You think I'm afraid of. Of going in debt and putting everything I had on the line just to get all the way to the end and go, oh we, we just changed our name. We sold it to another guy. And by the way, Mike, he's a conservative. He's a real nice fella. Give me a break. I don't care who is. You know, like I say, Steve, I have no problem with any of these companies. Go make blenders. Go make I don't know, telephones. Go make anything. But don't bring computers and voting machines into our country again. And then I told the one folks you got. I told, I told, I told, I told the one cnn. I said you should be reporting real things that are. That are good news to our country. Like Dallas county in Texas just voted to go to paper ballots hand counted in the upcoming primary. There's real news. Yeah.

[Steve Bannon]

People should know that Michael Andell such a brother me that I specialize in working him up before the show on something. This is actually real. Mike, we've got about a minute and half. I want, I want people to understand that you got deals for them. The way the company's thriving is the deals for the war. And what do you got?

[Mike Lindell]

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