Episode 4863: Failure Of The Intelligence Community; Selling Out America To The CCP

Summary

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Podcast Summary

Bannon’s War Room: Episode 4863 - “Failure Of The Intelligence Community; Selling Out America To The CCP”

Date: October 20, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Guests: Jared Kushner, Steve Witkoff, Captain James Fennell, Various Activists & Journalists

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode of Bannon’s War Room centers on the failures and corruption within the U.S. intelligence community, particularly concerning foreign policy and threats posed by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The show weaves together recent street protests, negotiations in the Middle East, mass migration, the integrity of elections, and economic vulnerabilities—all pointing toward what Bannon describes as a regime in crisis and a pervasive elite “sellout” of American interests to hostile foreign powers, especially China.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Concerns Over State Power and Civil Liberties

• Government agents in plain clothes: Bannon and the panel highlight rising public fear over unmarked law enforcement detaining citizens.

  “It is really insane at this point in 2025… you’ve got people that are wearing plain clothes, they’re masked, they just grab women off the street and throw them into unmarked vans. They refuse to identify themselves. ...This scares the hell out of people in all political parties.”
  — Stephen K. Bannon (00:46)

• Democratic norms at risk: Multiple speakers, including an activist and a journalist, express alarm over the normalization of such state actions and the broader implication for American democracy.

2. Protests and Cultural Divide

• Minimal impact of protests: Some guests regard recent protests as unrepresentative and ineffective, attributing them to left-wing funding and organizing.

  “I looked at the people, they’re not representative of this country… very ineffective.”
  — Journalist/Interviewer (01:51)

• Counter-narrative from grassroots: An activist offers a firsthand account of massive, diverse demonstrations and notes a generational surge in courage and engagement.

  “I saw the epidemic quality of courage… and what I saw in the crowd was people who… believe in their right to be, to exist, to be free, to have their voices heard.”
  — Activist/Protester (03:07)

3. The Middle East Peace Negotiations & CIA Failures

• Kushner & Witkoff on Mideast talks: Jared Kushner retells their direct negotiations with Hamas and Arab leaders, highlighting a stark disconnect between on-the-ground realities and U.S. intelligence briefings.

  “We were hearing that Hamas was positive on the deal… and yet I was reading intelligence reports every day and getting briefings from the CIA three times a day… and those briefings were suggesting that Hamas was going to say no. ...Sure enough, Hamas came out and said… we accept the president’s plan.”
  — Jared Kushner (04:42, 29:13)

• Negotiation strategies: Steve Witkoff explains the importance of bypassing inflammatory public statements and focusing on substantive progress in private negotiations.

  “In the Middle East, you just have to ignore all of the public statements… But the message they were telling us was that they were on board… They wanted to end the war.”
  — Steve Witkoff (05:21, 29:52)

• CIA accused of ideological manipulation:

  “Now Witkoff is briefed three times a day by the CIA and they lie to him… The Mossad controls the CIA.”
  — Stephen K. Bannon (31:00)

  Captain James Fennell, former intelligence officer, echoes this, attributing years of intelligence failure to ideological capture, wishful thinking, and profit motives.

  “They have a blind side… [and] will promote it. They will cherry pick... and skew it and twist it to fit their narrative.”
  — Captain James Fennell (47:05)
  “It’s ideological… driven by the profit motive… The Chinese Communist Party… understood how they could try to infiltrate and break us down ideologically, economically, and militarily.”
  — Captain James Fennell (48:24)

4. Election Integrity, Gerrymandering, and Demographics

• Redistricting as a conservative weapon: Bannon claims that aggressive redistricting and demographic shifts have structurally barred Democrats from congressional power.

  “Structurally, it’s virtually impossible for them to take the House ever again. ...[With] the Supreme Court ruling, it makes it almost impossible ...for them to win the presidency.”
  — Stephen K. Bannon (17:08)

• Focus on illegal immigration: Discussion ties the Democratic electoral strategy to mass migration and the census, arguing the left relies on non-citizen populations for political survival.

5. The Threat from the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)

• Cyber attacks and economic warfare: Bannon raises alarms about U.S. vulnerability to cyber attacks allegedly perpetrated by the CCP in the context of ongoing economic war (08:13).

• U.S.-China Elite Collusion:

  “This is a murderous dictatorship… Add them all up. ...And that’s what you got in Beijing, destroying the Chinese people. You got Wall Street making money with them, ...corporatists… universities… Silicon Valley... every law firm’s got offices over there.”
  — Stephen K. Bannon (44:37)

• Need for Regime Change:

  “We need regime change in Beijing and that’s got to come from Lao Beijing.”
  — Stephen K. Bannon (31:00)

  Fennell argues ideological mistakes and greed blinded U.S. intelligence and elites to the nature of the menace.

  "They deeply believed in engagement … and when the evidence started coming in that it wouldn’t make them more like us and [that] we became more like China, they continued to deny that existence."
  — Captain James Fennell (48:24)

6. Western Alliance & Ukraine War

• Blunt U.S. stance on conflict: Bannon relays Trump’s warnings to Zelensky about the limits of U.S. support and criticizes European allies for their lack of resources and resolve.

  “Trump warned Zelensky in meeting that Russia could destroy Ukraine… It’s time for you to be thinking about laying down your weapons. Call it a peace treaty, a ceasefire or a surrender, we don’t care. ...We’re not going to put any more money in it.”
  — Stephen K. Bannon (31:00, 41:00)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Fear of Unchecked Power:
  "Maybe not in the most intense like MAGA base, but it should. And so, yeah, this is not good."
  — Stephen K. Bannon (00:46)

• Activist’s Powerful Testimony:
  "I saw the epidemic quality of courage... It felt like the safest place to be in this city because it felt like my children were surrounded by people who believe in their right to be, to exist, to be free, to have their voices heard."
  — Activist/Protester (03:07)

• Kushner on CIA Disconnect:
  "And yet I was reading intelligence reports every day and getting briefings from the CIA… and those intelligence briefings were suggesting that Hamas was going to say no. …Sure enough, Hamas came out and said, you know, we accept the president’s plan."
  — Jared Kushner (04:42, 29:13)

• Fennell on Intelligence Community Failures:
  "I’ve personally witnessed the CIA get assessments … wrong for 35 years. ...it’s more than just happenstance or mistakes. It’s ideological. ...They believed... engagement would make China become more like us."
  — Captain James Fennell (47:05, 48:24)

• Bannon on U.S. Elites Profiting from China:
  "Every law firm’s got offices over there... You are in business principally with some of the biggest murderers in the history of mankind. And you know it. And the blood is on your hands."
  — Stephen K. Bannon (46:14)

• Bannon on CCP’s Ruthlessness: “This is a murderous dictatorship. …Worse than the Nazis, worse than the Bolsheviks... Add them all up. All of them. Add them all up. And that’s what you got in Beijing, destroying the Chinese people.” — Stephen K. Bannon (44:37)

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Important Segments (Timestamps)

• State Power & Civil Liberties: 00:00–01:42
• Protest Coverage - Contrasting Views: 01:42–04:42
• Middle East Negotiations & CIA Failures: 04:42–07:22, 29:13–31:00
• U.S. Intelligence Community & CCP: 44:37–51:25
• Election Strategy, Redistricting & Immigration: 08:13–17:08
• Western Disunity & Ukraine: 31:00–41:00
• China, Economic War, and Elite Collusion: 44:37–49:39

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Tone & Language

The language throughout is combative, populist, and urgent—Bannon adopts a tone of war, crisis, and existential threat both domestically and internationally. There is heavy use of rhetorical flourishes (“dying regime,” “going medieval,” “primal scream”), direct accusations against elites, and frequent appeals to the audience’s sense of embattled patriotism.

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Summary

“Failure Of The Intelligence Community; Selling Out America To The CCP” weaves allegations that the U.S. intelligence apparatus has become complicit, inept, or ideologically captured—especially concerning China—while political elites profit off both Chinese repression and failing U.S. policies. Bannon links these failures to mass migration, election manipulation, and an American left that is painted as radical, out-of-touch, and increasingly violent.

Within this worldview, Bannon advances the need for mass mobilization, regime change abroad (especially in Beijing), crackdowns on opposition, and an “awakening” to resist both foreign subversion and elite betrayal.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Government conservatives like me, it's frightening to libertarians, it's frightening to independents to actually have people in no uniforms and unmarked cars, grab people off the street and throw them into unmarked cars or vans. And you're sitting there as a parent going, okay, so what happens if people start imitating this and thinking they can get away with this in public where they can just kidnap somebody? And I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say, well, what, what happens? I do have my son. What happens? I do that to my daughter.

What happened?

It is, it is really insane at this point in 2025 that we are at a point where, and by the way, I'm not, I'm not saying this for, you know, this isn't. I mean, progressives are going to agree with me on this. This is small government conservatives that are saying, wait, you've got people that have, like, are wearing plain clothes, they're masked, they, they just grab women off the street and throw them into unmarked vans. They refuse to identify themselves. We must understand this is not an 8020 issue. Like, this scares the hell out of people in all political parties. Maybe not in the most intense like MAGA base, but it should. And so, yeah, this is not good.

[Journalist/Interviewer]

What is your response to the protests? Who are you with, ap?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

What's your response to the protests over the weekend?

[Journalist/Interviewer]

I think it's a joke. I looked at the people, they're not representative of this country. And I looked at all the brand new signs made for, I guess it was paid for by Soros and other radical left lunatics. It looks like it was. Checking it out. The demonstrations were very small, very ineffective. And the people who whacked down, when you look at those people, those are not representative of the people of our country, Mr. President. And by the way, I'm not a king. I'm not a king. I work my ass off to make our country great. And so for this, I'm not a king.

[Activist/Protester]

This issue of how the right is very good at making people have their conversation. So even the conversation we're having now is a conversation about denying bogus claims that this was like a terrorist march. So I just want to take one second to just step out of their conversation because their conversation is so bogus that we don't need to even inhabit it. Let me just tell you what I saw because I was there. I marched down 7th Avenue from 50th street to 14th street with my two children, one of whom was nervous about big crowds. And then I explained to him that your entire life is going to be stressful if you don't fight this thing with us. And it's a lot easier to go to a march than live under a dictatorship for the rest of your natural life. And what I saw in the crowd was people who, some people who go to these things, always the hardcore. And then I saw, as the numbers show, 2 million more people than last time. I saw a lot of people who are tiptoeing in. I saw a lot of people getting courage from other people who had courage earlier. I saw the epidemic quality of courage. I saw a lot of Mamdani signs. Again, I'm not going to say why, what it wasn't. I'll say what it was. People I think are ready. And you see this with the support for Pritzker also for someone who's going to fight, but actually fight with a smile and not just fight Trump, but fight to do things, to build things, to create things. We are on the brink in New York of a new mayoral administration that is actually promising not just to resist, but to build things. Do things, have the landscape change, have life become less hard for people? And what I saw is actually, it was such a warm. I mean, I don't take my kids to a giant crowd and keep them in a giant crowd for hours if it's unsafe. It felt like the safest place to be in this city because it felt like my children were surrounded by people who believe that whatever my children grow up to be, however they look, whoever they love, my children were surrounded in that crowd by people who believe in their right to be, to exist, to be free, to have their voices heard. There was to me, I've been to a lot of places, I felt as safe in that crowd as I've ever felt.

[Jared Kushner]

Our relationships were direct with the leaders of these three countries. And we were hearing that Hamas was positive on the deal. And yet I was reading intelligence reports every day and getting briefings from the CIA three times a day. And those intelligence briefings were suggesting that Hamas was going to say no. And so Jared and I had to make a decision as to where we thought this was going. And both of us, you know, we didn't need to convince one another. We really felt that this was going in a positive way. And sure enough, Hamas came out and said, you know, we accept the president's plan. And that allowed us to get into the next gear.

[Steve Witkoff]

And one thing that also caused confusion after that was they put in some language that was really very face saving for them in order to do. And one thing I would tell everyone is in the Middle east, you just have to ignore all of the public statements that everyone puts out because they're all just talking to their political bases. But the message they were telling us was that they were on board with releasing the hostages. They wanted to end the war. They wanted to negotiate on some of the different variables in the agreement, but on the little stuff and not the big stuff. What Steve and I said to the mediators is, let's go to Charm El Sheikh, we'll do the negotiation, but we would prefer that they pre agree to as many things as possible. We don't have to start the negotiations when we get there. There are certain issues that could be adjudicated now, and if they're not going to agree to those issues, then let's not bother with the trip. So we tried to diffuse some of the more complex issues before they came to Sharm El Sheikh in order to give us a higher probability of success and a more efficient negotiation when we got there.

[Interviewer]

Did you have the authority to make the deal, to make these compromises? What kind of authority did you get? Let me ask it that way, to.

[Steve Witkoff]

Not make a bad deal.

[Interviewer]

But Hamas was going to describe President.

[Steve Witkoff]

Trump's mandate, don't make a bad deal.

[Jared Kushner]

Don't make a bad deal.

[Interviewer]

But Hamas was going to be there. And I know that you spoke directly. So did you have to get authority to do that or was.

[Jared Kushner]

Yes. We both described it to the president as if we would have an opportunity to meet Hamas. And if, in our view, that opportunity could lead to a deal, were you comfortable with allowing us to go meet with Hamas? That was the question that we asked him and the entire foreign policy staff. And the answer came back, if you feel that you can get to a deal, of course. Why wouldn't I encourage I being President Trump? Why wouldn't I encourage you to get into that room and get it finished?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Prison's not got a free shot.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

What is My purpose, if that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.

It's Monday 20th October, at year of our Lord 2025. We start off the week with a massive, I don't know, cyber attack. Or they're saying it's a technical problem, but I believe, folks, what is it? Amazon World, SA Systems, the cloud and everything associated with it shows you the vulnerability of the United States of America to a cyber attack. I hope someone's listening to a cyber attack of the Chinese Communist Party as their economy continues to plunge. And as Scott Besson said the other day, and Scott Besson is now going to be there negotiating first to kind of lay the groundwork for, I guess, President Trump's meeting with shit, which I don't even know if it's happened, and I would recommend it doesn't happen while they're trying to crush US Economic warfare with rare earths. This is their Bible, unrestricted warfare. We've talked to you about this since the very first episodes of the show back in War Room and pandemic, right back in January 2020, right after we shipped it off of War Room. Impeachment, the unrestricted warfare. They understand they can't beat the foreign devils with straight up militarily, or at least they did in the late 90s after the Gulf War, with all the advanced technology General Schwarzkopf had at his disposal. So they went to other means. Subversion. Oh, subversion. Gosh, did I see that in the streets of the United States this weekend? Look at Morning Joe. Morning Joe alternates Now between pastor. It's either Pastor Scarborough or we get that. We get interpretations of the Old and New Testament every other day. And then he's a limited government Republican, limited government, constitutional, conservative, libertarian. So we're alternating between those two. Joe, when you're sitting there and saying people are afraid, Frenchmen are afraid. Hey, if you're not an illegal alien, nothing to worry about. Or a street criminal thug, okay? So if you're not a criminal, or most importantly, if you're not an illegal alien, all good. Okay. All good. So, no, we're gonna roll up. You don't say anything about the scales. We're gonna roll up the 10 to 20 million that on your show every morning for four years sat there and go, there's nothing on the border. Gosh, you know, when it got over a couple hundred thousand a month, you said, hey, this asylum seeker refugee, gosh, are we treating them well? Or they make sure they get their Covid shots and they come across, you allowed your show, promoted, MSNBC promoted actively every day an invasion of our country of 10 to 20 million. And they're all going home. They're all going home. The only thing that's going to stop us sending all of them home is the Republican establishment and the Republican vested economic interest. They're saying, oh no, no, no, no. The agricultural workers, you know, the agriculture. Illegal aliens can't go home because the Americans won't do the jobs. All these excuses.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

The President has sent ICE into these, into these insurrectionist cities, these sanctuary cities. And they should start arresting, they should start doing mass arrest of government officials that are stopping this. Let's, let's, let's go to. Look, this is why we passed, this is why you signed the antifa, the antifa terrorist executive order. It's just not the grundoons on the street. It's not the foot soldiers. They're replaceable. They don't get in the left. The guys running the left don't care about them. The second layer of the people that train them from the national security apparatus of the United States and others and other intelligence services and yes, our own military, certain rogue elements are. That's where you ought to be. But most importantly is where President Trump said, he said, he said on the plane, we're going to have to source and the money in the organization. Oh, and let's throw in the enemy of the people, the media. You talk about epic fails. Could you have a bigger fail than no Kings? First of all, the mere concept. We won the House, the Senate, the presidency, the popular voter landslide, the electoral college. 90% of the counties in this country voted. If you look at a map, it's all red except for a couple of certain areas, you know where it's not red? University cities, because that's where all the Marxists run. The universities. All ought to be shut down. Just don't talk about the research money. Go in and say, hey, this is the way it's going to be. Get rid of all these professors. Get rid of all these professors, all the tenure.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

You don't get a penny from us. No, not just research money, any support money. They're all be going belly up in a moment. Play Hardball because you got the university towns, you have the large urban areas filled with, wait for it, illegal aliens. And then you have some coastal communities with the elites, you know, La Jolla and Malibu and up in the Bay area, the Hamptons, right? You got the awfully awfully crowd looking down their nose at the American people, mocking the American people, laughing at the American people. We ain't gonna be laughing for too long. Cause come November was it for fourth, you're going to have man Mandami in that crowd in New York. Marxist jihadist. Just like the French Revolution. It'll be a year or two, but they'll get the guillotine out. It'll be out. Or you got to deal with the populist nationalists on the right. You ain't going to like that either. But at least we're not going to be stringing people up and shooting them like those guys are like their hero. Luigi men was a man man. Johnny Luigi Mangione. Thank you. Luigi Mangione. Supposed to boy. Yes, revolutionary change is coming. But we got to shut down this. The. The. The no Kings was a joke. A bunch of old out of out of touch honorary white liberals. The same obnoxious people you've been dealing with your entire life. The Karens. The Karens enforce the Rachel Maddow crowd. Nicole Wallace. They bombed the other night. That thing in New York. They had short break. Back in a moment.

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[Captain James Fennell]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

A couple things. Number one, the, the king, the no kings, which is obviously a joke. It's because. And maybe I can have later the cnn. CNN did a great spot on it. Let's go back to where you, because you're the point of contact. This audience is the point of contact in driving the agenda. Okay. One of the biggest things that you've worked on, another massive victory here was in 21, in early 22, I don't know. We changed, I think the redistricting under the grass. I think it was eight seats overall, maybe a few more. Missouri, Tennessee. The big one was five in Florida. And that essentially let us keep the House or it made it so close to keeping the House that it was, it was necessary. If we didn't have that have been quite ugly. The, the massive focus the grassroots has had in Texas to get the five. We should have gotten eight, but we got five. Spent a couple days down Texas this past week talking to the folks that did that, the grassroots leaders. Of course, Abbott's running around trying to take credit for it now. He didn't do anything. In fact, he tried to stop it many times because the establishment, particularly these state capitals, don't want it. They do all their horse trading among the state, you know, legislatures and state senators, they cut all their deals with the Democrats. And part of the deal is we're not going to force redistricting. Yes, that is an ugly truth, ladies and gentlemen. Why do you think right now we have 21. I'm not talking about the gerrymandered in Louisiana coming out of the Supreme Court case. Not that that's another 10 to 15, maybe more. Okay. I'm talking about Ones just with demographic shifts. Why is it always the war room posse or the war room or Alex DeGrasse? These people, they have to get up on it and force really the tip of a bayonet people to do this. Because in the state capitals, they cut their deals, right? Their real estate deals, their company deals, their tax deals, all of it up there. And they. And part of the thing is we're not going to redistrict. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. How could it possibly be 21 seats on a gross amount? We have 21. And now CNN is working. If you, if you combine that with the Supreme Court ruling, structurally, it's virtually impossible for them to take the House ever again. Think about that for a second. Or very tough, maybe a generation if we do our job. Okay, number one, makes the Senate kind of out of reach. If President Trump does what he knows needs to be done and we force a mid decade census and cut out the illegal aliens. Because everything with the Democratic Party is illegal aliens. That's why they let the 10 to 20 million in on Biden's watch. They knew they needed that because they can't do it with people called American citizens, because American citizens are not going to vote for this crap. And they know that. So in that massive shift and also understanding with the mid century, with the reallocation in the mid century census, the electoral college change, it makes it almost impossible, not impossible, but much, much harder for them to win the presidency. So actually in democracy, people, citizens going to the, you know, voting booth and voting, it's getting grimmer and grimmer. And they know this. The money in back of these guys, sources, guys are smart. In Chinese Communist Party, it's smart. So they understand the wake up call they got. Well, first off, that's why they stole it. In 2020, they were shocked by Trump. In 16, we snuck up on them because they thought they had us, right? And they didn't. Did all the Russian, the treason around, the Russian hoax and all that was to try to, you know, get Trump impeached, thrown out of office, or just destroy his presidency. Then in 2020, they stole the election. Yes, they did. You know they did. We would have never won. What, 14. 14. We took back 14 House seats and the guy loses. Done working like that. Sorry. Then in 2024, the sweeping victory, kind of out of nowhere, the sweeping victory, particularly with low propensity, low information voters, people just not into politics, rallied to the cause. Then the coalition of, you know, the, the parental rights movement with Make America Healthy again, combined with the populist, nationalist, maga movement combined. That's a. That's a big combo platter. So knowing how desperate they are, they are now going to, you know, beyond democratic means. It's all about violence and intimidation. They're going to take to the streets. We have seven. First of all, they didn't have seven million. Also, who cares? It was the old age home let out. It was like walkers, right? They got walkers. These people have no punch. So who cares if they're in the streets? Go on the streets. Go on the streets next weekend. Get them up every weekend. Get their exercise, get those. Get their walking shoes on, right? And take all the drugs on msnbc. MSNBC is a great piece in the Free Beacon. Absolute complete implosion of viewers, particularly young people. Implosion. They had this thing the other night in New York City. A bomb. They bring out Martin Sheen. Oh. Because West Wing is up. They all, you know, oh, gosh, it was so amazing. He was a constitutional law professor. He talked about so many root causes and they solved so many problems. It's all crap. Who cares, right? They have no punch. And now they know they have no punch. They're getting spun off, dis and dismissed. They're going to get more and more violent. The violence of Luigi Mangione. And also what's coming with, ma', am, Donnie Sadiq Khan. Right now you got Peter McElveen and all my brothers and sisters over in London sending me this. They now got the groomers. They said for years, no, they don't do grooming of these young girls. And these mass rapes by these South Asians. Read Pakistan Muslim. Pakistani Muslims. They don't do these mass. They don't do these rapes of, you know, the granddaughters and great granddaughters of the heroes of World War II. No, they don't do that in London. It doesn't happen. Guess what? It does happen in London. And Sadiq Khan, you heard that name before. New York City is going to be worse than London within 10 years. And now you got Katz and Matitis. Everybody's up there. Gosh, we gotta get. We gotta get Sliwa out of the race. After supporting the entire time. Yeah. We gotta get down to one candidate. Wow. Interesting. That's fascinating. Who thought. Who thunk of that? That's amazing. They haven't taken the Working Families Party and the DSA seriously. These are serious organizations. You may not like what they stand for, you may hate what they stand for, but they got stroke. How they got stroke? The same way the precinct Strategy, Turning Point usa, the War Room Posse, all of it. It's called going door to door and knocking on doors and engaging people. They don't care how much money you throw up against them. Cuomo and the ads. The ads aren't. Nobody watches the ads anymore. It's white noise. So as they increasingly get removed from the ability to win because the common sense, the American people go, no, these people are Marxists. These people are jihadists. They stand against everything the United States of America has ever stood for, and we're not going to do it. And for all my conservative colleagues, you know, all these guys in bowtie sitting there going, he's a socialist, going to be so great when he wins, because then he's going to run other people's money. Yo, read, read the Russian Revolution when the Bolsheviks take over. The Bolsheviks had 10, 9%. I mean, they never had. They were, they were a joke. Except they were a killer elite. They bound together like Mondame and like these. Look in Portland, look in Chicago. Antifa. These people are serious. 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[Jared Kushner]

Relationships were direct with the leaders of these three countries. And we were hearing that Hamas was positive on this deal. And yet I was reading intelligence reports every day and getting briefings from the CIA three times a day. And those intelligence briefings were suggesting that Hamas was going to say no. And so Jared and I had to make a decision as to where we thought this was going. And both of us, you know, we didn't need to convince one another. We really felt that this was going in a positive way. And sure enough, Hamas came out and said, you know, we accept the president's plan. And that allowed us to get into the next gear.

[Steve Witkoff]

And one thing that also caused confusion after that was they put in some language that was really very face saving for them in order to do. And one thing I would tell everyone is in the Middle east, you just have to ignore all of the public statements that everyone puts out because they're all just talking to their political bases. But the message they were telling us was that they were on board with releasing the hostages. They wanted to end the war. They wanted to negotiate on some of the different variables in the agreement. But on the little stuff and not the big stuff, what Steve and I said to the mediators is let's go to charm El Sheikh. We'll do the negotiation, but we would prefer that they pre agree to as many things as possible. We don't have to start the negotiations when we get there. There are certain issues that could be adjudicated now, and if they're not going to agree agreed to those issues, then let's not bother with the trip. So we tried to diffuse some of the more complex issues before they came to Sharm El Sheikh in order to give us a higher probability of success and a more efficient negotiation. When we got there, did you have.

[Interviewer]

The authority to make the deal, to make these compromises? What kind of authority did you get?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I got it. I can't take Lesley Stahl. Thanks. Trump warned Zelensky in meeting that Russia could destroy Ukraine. This thing on Friday, President Trump just told him, hey, you're living in a fantasy. They came over here saying, oh, we got. And they were telling everybody we got the Tomahawks. They even said afterwards in their own interviews, we thought we had the Tomahawks. That's why it got ugly in the meeting. President Trump had to read the riot act. And they raised their voices. Yes, they did. Zelensky raised his voice in the Cabinet room. I don't know, man. Don't know why we keep inviting him back. He's a protectorate by the way, just like that interview Last night was 60 Minutes, Tel Aviv. Levin, all you, all the Israel first crowd, you see the destruction you have brought Israel to You. You, you, the Israel first crowd in the United States of America. Protecting, protecting Netanyahu. He's brought his country to the edge of destruction. And also this goes back to. So first off, people ask me, why Jared Kushner and Wyckoff? Because the president trusts Kushner and Witkoff to deal with him straight and to be objective in this. And they're both Jewish, right? And Jereb's observant. He's one of the most religious Jewish guys I've ever met. Very dedicated to his religion, very dedicated to the Jewish faith. Those two guys, President Trump will use instruments. Those two guys are instruments for him to negotiate directly. As I said on the show, Marco was sent over there. And the reason Marco is not in the room, not in the deal where it's important is. And he's not on 60 Minutes. Last night, when Netanyahu fired on Qatar, and I'm Qatar's biggest critic because of the Muslim Brotherhood, but when they fired on Qatar and tried to kill the Hamas negotiating team, President Trump saw how the entire Iran situation was about killing the negotiating team that was supposed to meet with Witkoff on that Sunday. They went off on Thursday. He'd had enough of. He sent marker over. What's the first to send marker over to give it to him with both barrels. This is not acceptable. You're not going to do this. President Trump signed an executive order with an Article 5 protection. Think about that for a second. Article 5 protection for Qatar. Because of that, he sent Ruby over there. What's the next thing we see? A Rubio. He's there with Huckabee and Netanyahu at the Wailing Wall with a yarmulke on, putting the note in and no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're there to send a message. The message is we've had a belly full of this and it's not going to happen anymore. You're not an ally, you're a protector and you're going to act like a protector. If you don't like that, then go do it yourself. You want a Greater Israel project, we're not going to stop you, but we're not going to support it in this section. Last night it bad enough what we played the 60 minutes late on Thursday night and we played on Friday, but they buried the lead. What they said about the Central Intelligence Agency is what I'VE been saying on this show from the beginning and it came from their mouths. Now Witkoff is briefed three times a day by the CIA and they lie to him. This is not a, this is not some marginal mistake in intelligence. He sat right there. They, they lied to him three times a day. Hamas doesn't want to do the deal. Never going to do the deal. That's the Mossad talking. That's Netanyahu talking. Ratcliffe should resign today. Or let's just have a congressional hearing right on national television and let's just put it out there. Exactly about what you told these people in this negotiation. And let's go back to what you told the President of the United States about the beginning of the 12 Day War. Because that was a lie also as now we know by the Times of Israel putting out the cabinet minutes of the war cabinet of Netanyahu. They were two years away. Not two days, not two weeks, two years of which he copped a half of that on Brett Baer on that same night. We said, yeah, it's six months, nine months, it's a year. Wasn't two days, wasn't two weeks, it was two years. Basically there ain't no emergency. There was an emergency to kill the negotiators of which they did so that Witkoff couldn't have a meeting in Muscat, Oman on that Sunday. Why? Because the Mossad controls the CIA. Thank God for Tulsi Gabbard. They tried to run Tulsi Gabbard out of this city. You talk about courage. You talk about a profile of courage. It's Tulsi Gabbard and her team over there at dni. She testified to Congress. She went on and talked in the media. She was vilified. And this is Israel first crowd trying to run a patriot out of town because she's telling the the truth to the Commander in Chief. And Huckabee the clown ambassador who's an embarrassment, total embarrassment. What he's saying with his insanity, he ought to be recalled immediately and removed immediately. And my buddy Joel Pollock, I know people go crazy. I think Joe Pollock are the ambassador because Joe Pollock's a decent good man and when he knows all the facts, he's not going to be like Huckabee. That'll be a little controversial. I got that. I'll put David Friedman back in there. At least they're going to deal with you straight and not misinterpret. Not misinterpret. This misinterpretation is bald faced lies. These are bald face lies. And we need regime change in Beijing and that's got to come from Lao Beijing. Look, I'm all for regime change in Tehran, I'm all for regime change in Beijing, but that's got to come from the people. Lao Beijing have overthrow them. You can't decapitate the Chinese Communist Party. I got Fanel here. In a moment we're going to talk about that. You can't decapitate the mullahs because then you have a Civil War for 25 years. We're going to get drawn into it. The people have to overthrow these people. Now you can crank, you can crack down on them. So the west is not financing it or allowing it to be financed as we are both in Beijing by Wall street and corporate, the corporatists in Silicon Valley or in Tehran by the Chinese Communist Party buying their oil, which I've said for, you know, years now, shut it down 100%. But Ratcliffe, it's. You got Jared and Wyckoff sitting there trying to negotiate a deal and the CIA is lying to them. They said the Qatar in the Turkey, Turkish intelligence had the reality. Gosh, that brings me back to October 7th. There's a book out there right now while Israel Slept by two of the, I guess the top technology and military entrepreneurs and writers and thinkers in Israel. You can't put it down. I recommend everybody get that. We're going to try to have those guys on if we can do it either late this week or next week. But what Jared said first, he said about Netanyahu, he and Witkoff about doing everything to try to stop Trump told him, hey, it's over and stop intruding in peace. You're out of control. I think the quote was, you're out of control and it's not going to happen if you want to do it on your own because remember, they sucked us in that war. If you want to do it on your own and you can do it on your own. I'm a believer in nationalism. Go do it, go do it. Go do it today. Keep going. Greater Israel done hit it, go boom. Go with God. Good luck. But you can't. You need us. You started something, you needed us from the beginning to defend with Aegis Cruisers and Patriot missiles and Thaad missiles. We were an active combatant supplying you from the beginning and you couldn't end it. And we had to do that, including the Tomahawk missiles that took out the surface part of the enrichment program. And Zelensky took that. Oh yeah, well, hey, he Gave. They used tomahawks in Persia. Let's go. We're going to go. And they're all puffed up and talking. They got this and they're doing this and they're going to do that. They're going to do the other thing. They're going to do it all. Yeah, we're taking on Russia. We need to hit St. Petersburg, hit Moscow. Well, if we bring America into a tactical nuclear world, that's too bad. No, President Trump set their minds right on Friday. It's not going to happen. Trump warned Zelensky in meeting that Russia could destroy Ukraine. They should take that as a papal bull when the guy that does not want to be your sponsor. But because of the elites in this country and because of all the bad decisions that the elites in this country made to allow 1.8 million Ukrainians to be dead or wounded in the battlefield to look like the Western front in World War I. Let me read the subtitles. Details emerge. A fractious encounter.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Voices were raised. They said. New York Times said it was a pointed discussion. Putin's talking points echoed. They got to throw that in there. FT is not going to be good. FT is not going to feel good. Let's get Putin's talking points. How about reality? Maybe reality was brought up and you guys don't like it. You don't like it. Financial Times of London do the following. Get the deadbeat nations that you report from. France, Germany, the United Kingdom. Let's throw in Italy. Show me what you got. Here's what you got.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

You came over here a couple weeks ago and I told you at the time it was all to suck President Trump in. And all President Trump did was expose how phony they are. They're going to do this and they're going to do that. And as long as he comes and they go over the embassy and they're having cognacs and cigars and they're talking about, yeah, the Americans are going to do all this. They got no money, they got no arms, they got no troops, and most importantly, they have no political will. You're about to lose. The Fifth Republic is about to fall under, under Macron. He can't even get a government in there in parliament for 30 days because they're dead cold broke and they're running at what, 6.5% of spending to GDP and they ain't the reserve currency. Okay, Germany's all wrapped around the axle. They're sitting there. Well, we sent a brigade up to Lithuania. Isn't that enough? No, it's not enough. You're going to talk big and buy the Russian gas. You're going to talk big, then send some troops, send some money, send some arms in the uk. Starmer, give me a break. You're dead cold broke. If you're sending troops anywhere in the uk, you ought to send them to these towns where they're raping these girls. Send them there and clean up your own mess before you start getting us into some mess over in the Bloodlands. We're not going to go. And Trump couldn't be more blunt. It's not going to happen. It's time for you to be thinking about laying down your weapons. Call it a peace treaty, a ceasefire or a surrender, we don't care. But we're not going to put any more money in it. There's no blood on our hands because we've been against it from day one. The blood is on the hands of Boris Johnson, the Financial Times of London, the Economist, the Guardian, BBC, all the Tories and labor that voted for it. Macron Maloney. Phony Maloney. Oh, she's going to come out now with another, you know, family. I'm all for the family. Hey, don't. Don't. You ain't going to pivot away from the mess you've made in Ukraine. Radcliffe should either resign, come to Congress and tell us the truth, or resign today.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. Captain James Fernell. We're going to pivot. We're going to talk about. Because the Australian ambassador is coming at 11. We're going to try to cover some of it. I don't know if we're going to get to all of it. The. He's here just to give you the signal, not the noise. He's here for one reason. Heavy rare earth. Australia has some, Brazil has some. This is why they're playing footsie with Lula right now. We got a problem and she is trying to drop the hammer on us. And that's why they can never. They're not pure competitors. They can never be an ally. We can't cooperate, work together. It's not going to work. It doesn't work like that. The world does not work like that. This is a murderous dictatorship. Murderous. That's killed 250 million of their own people and brag about it. 450 million forced abortions. Forced abortions. 80% of that little Chinese girls. They're a murderous dictatorship. Worse than the Nazis, worse than the Bolsheviks, worse than the Soviets, worse than Mussolini, worse than Imperial Japan, worse than Pol Pot. Add them all up. All of them. Add them all up. And that's what you got in Beijing, destroying the Chinese people. You got Wall street making money with them. You got corporatists in America making money with them. You got the universities making money with them. You got Silicon Valley working with them. Making money.

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[Jared Kushner]

And the elite institutions.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is why the elites. This is the rot at the bottom. Every law firm's got offices over there. Every investment bank, every commercial bank, every accounting firm. McKinsey don't sit there all high and mighty. That MAGA's a bunch of we're brown shirts, Proto fascists in the streets. You are in business principally with some of the biggest murderers in the history of mankind. And you know it. And the blood is on your hands. So don't sit there and give me happy talk. Are you shocked, Fennell, that you were a career intelligence officer in the history of the 21st century? One of the greatest. Are you shocked that the CIA would brief Witkoff and Jarrett three times a day and not just be wrong, but try to mislead them, Sir?

[Captain James Fennell]

No, Steve, I'm not shocked at all. As I said to you in the break, I think you know, we Saw this. I've personally witnessed the CIA get assessments of analysis of the People's Republic of China wrong for 35 years. So they have, you know, I'm not going to say it was purposeful, but they have a blind side on where they cannot see things that go against the established narrative. And once it gets established, they will promote it. They will cherry pick. They will take information and skew it and twist it and turn it to fit their narrative and fit their assessment. And so I'm not surprised. I'm disappointed, but I'm not surprised.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

In 30. Come on, man. In 35 years, when you're dead wrong on everything about the Chinese Communist Party, it's got to be something deeper. It's got to be something deeper than that, isn't it, sir? Just can't be technical problems or they miss something. They're always wrong. I used to get the brief. They're always wrong. They kowtow to the Chinese Communist Party, and they're like the information agency for the Chinese government. They always put the best. They always put the best face on things, and they always lead you to a thing, either a peer, competitor, or we got to work together for world peace. Right? So it can't be wrong for 35 years. It has to be something deeper than that, does it not, sir?

[Captain James Fennell]

Yes, it is, Steve. And the book over my shoulder that Brett Thayer and I wrote last year, embracing Communist China, America's greatest strategic failure, we talk about the reasons, and it's more than just happenstance or mistakes. It's ideological. They have a different ideological worldview. They believed. They deeply believed in engagement, that engagement would make China become more like us. And when the evidence started coming in that it wouldn't make them more like us and we became more like China, they continue to deny that existence. And so we're living now with the results of, you know, people that have been driven ideologically or been driven by the profit motive. Some people made their careers speaking in China and getting access to leadership in China and bringing back messages from China to the, you know, to the American system. So it's a little bit of ideology. It's a little bit of greed. And then you have to give the Chinese Communist Party credit. Guys like, you know, Deng Xiaoping were very serious people that understood what they were doing and how they could try to infiltrate and break us down ideologically, economically, and militarily. And that's where we're at today.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Speaking of Captain Fennell, because he's one of the best, is the only person that Maria Bartiroma's interview with the President was incredibly important, but everyone missed the buried lead, except Captain James Fennell.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

And we're going to play it this afternoon when I've got time, because I don't have time this morning. What is the buried lead? The message to Beijing that President Trump sent with both barrels on Maria Bartiromi yesterday, Sir.

[Captain James Fennell]

Yes, Steve, Yesterday, in the interview between the President and Maria Bartiromo, they talked about a number of issues, but the economic trade war between the United States and China was one of the critical ones. And the President talked about his views of these things. But towards the end of that string, in that segment of the interview, he said, Richard Nixon allowed this to happen to open up China. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? You tell me. And then later on, he said that Nixon unleashed a very strong adversary. And so a lot of people in the China hands community will probably pick that up and say, oh, he's criticizing Nixon. I thought he was a Nixon supporter, all of that. But the message is really to Xi and the Chinese Communist Party that's having their fourth plenum today started today in China for their party Congress, the Central Committee meeting. And it was a message to the Xi and the party to say, listen, you guys have always put Richard Nixon and Kissinger on a pedestal for opening up China. And I am the first President of the United States to say that's not a good thing. And it's unleashed holy hell on America. That's a wake up call for me.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Hang on for one second. We're getting to the fourth plenum. We've got Eva and Forrest and Rory from the new federal state of China. Captain James Furnell's with us. We're going to be very honored to have a very special guest when we get back to go through one of the most important fundamental movements that is happening in the United States. A great awakening, not simply politically, but spiritually. That will be the. The countervailing power against the elites as they sell out the United States of America to the Chinese Communist Party, because guess what? They're Marxist, too. You see it in the streets, you see the subversion going on in the classroom, you see in the universities, you see it in the media, you see it in the streets. How are these kids formed? The teachers unions, all of it stacked against the American people in the United States of America. We're not going to stand for it. We're not going to tolerate it. We're going to get rid of it.

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