Episode 4866: Rebirth Of The Love For Country And God

Summary

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Bannon's War Room – Episode 4866: "Rebirth Of The Love For Country And God"

Date: October 21, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Key Guests: Dave Brat, Charlie Kirk, Jim Rickards, James O’Keefe, Conservative Commentator

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Overview

This episode centers on two major threads:

1. Mass National Protests ("No Kings" Movement): Analysis of the sweeping anti-Trump protests across the country and their significance in the current political climate, focusing on public opposition to concentrated presidential power.

2. Divine Purpose and the Trump Presidency: A recurring discussion frames Donald Trump as an instrument of divine will and the American spirit, positioning resistance as both political and spiritual warfare, frequently referencing the resurgence of patriotism and faith.

Further into the episode, investigative journalist James O’Keefe shares revelations about systemic government contract fraud, fueling the hosts’ broader arguments about institutional rot and elite unaccountability.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The "No Kings" Protests: Scale, Atmosphere, and Meaning

• Bannon opens with sweeping coverage of large-scale anti-Trump protests in cities like Baltimore, Boston, Minneapolis, Kansas City, and even small towns ([00:00]).
  • He notes the “No Kings” message as a response to Trump’s perceived authoritarianism.
  • Crowd sizes surprise even seasoned observers, with some towns seeing protest turnout exceed their population.
  • The protests are portrayed as organized, peaceful, but ultimately, in Bannon's view, lacking in substance and momentum.

Quote:
“This is pretty intense, right?...Not AI, that’s a real thing. Look at that crowd in Boston...But there were more than 100 no kings protests in little old Massachusetts.”
— Steve Bannon ([00:00])

• Dave Brat contextualizes the protest movement as critical of presidential power consolidation, warning that any new political power is often abused by whoever holds it ([01:18]).
  • Emphasizes the fragility of constitutional checks and balances and cyclical abuse of executive power.

Quote:
“The more you consolidate the power in one person, the less power you have as an individual. The country was not set up to be an all powerful monarchy...”
— Dave Brat ([01:18])

• The hosts discuss Minneapolis and similar protest hot spots, further emphasizing geographic diversity and grassroots engagement ([02:06]).

2. Framing the Conflict: MAGA, Power, and Perceived Existential Stakes

• Charlie Kirk articulates a "win at all costs" MAGA mentality, warning that relinquishing power equates to vulnerability ([03:31]).
  • Argues the current climate is driven by “might makes right,” not rule of law.

Quote:
“We’re never going to let them take power again. That’s why we have to play to win...because otherwise they’re going to come and get you twice as hard next year.”
— Charlie Kirk ([03:31])

• Bannon immediately identifies the “we” as the MAGA base ([04:06]).
• The hosts agree that elements within the conservative sphere have broken from MAGA, feeling alienated by the movement’s uncompromising, survivor mentality ([04:11]).
  • This creates a divide even within previously Trump-aligned circles.

3. Trump as Miracle Worker and Divine Figure

• The tone shifts as the panel discusses how some Trump supporters see him not merely as a president or king, but divinely anointed—a “Jesus-like figure” ([05:30]).
  • This escalates to playful (and then serious) contrasts between Trump and biblical figures.

Quote:
“To Republicans, king is a demotion. He’s not a king. He’s a deity sent by God...A Jesus-like figure.”
— Conservative Commentator ([05:55])

Quote:
“President Trump is God's chosen instrument for this moment in time.”
— Steve Bannon ([05:43])

4. Spiritual Framing: The Rebirth of Love for Country and God

• Bannon frames the national struggle as spiritual warfare, casting America as “the new Jerusalem” ([08:21]).
  • He criticizes liberal protestors for lacking the camaraderie and higher purpose he sees in MAGA.

Quote:
“One of the reasons I love the MAGA movement is ... the determination and grit, but also just the good old American...understanding what they’re fighting for—a higher cause, the defense of this republic as the new Jerusalem. Yeah, we’re fighting a spiritual war.”
— Steve Bannon ([08:21])

• Dave Brat and panelists cite scripture, particularly Romans 13, as validation for Trump’s authority, drawing a line from biblical governance to MAGA’s vision ([22:58]).
  • They argue Trump’s leadership inspires renewed religious fervor and a “rebirth of the loves”—for God, nation, and family, as well as constitutionalism.

Quote:
“President Trump is clearly providential. He’s not a priest...But Romans 13 is the classic text...for the one in authority is God’s servant for your good...”
— Dave Brat ([22:58])

Memorable Moment:
Discussion of spiritual revival as measured by a spike in Bible sales and the martyrdom of Trump-aligned figures ([24:56]).

• Brat argues that America has given too many rights without corresponding responsibilities, which he sees as leading to social decay.

Quote:
“We live at the absolute pinnacle of freedom...but now it’s getting tricky because we’ve extended maybe too many rights without corresponding responsibilities...”
— Dave Brat ([24:56])

5. Dismissal of the "No Kings" Movement and the Opposition

• The hosts repeatedly lampoon protest efforts and liberal media personalities (notably Rachel Maddow), characterizing them as entitled, “bitter,” and out of touch ([08:21], [30:00]).
  • They challenge the protest’s numbers and insist the movement lacks the necessary momentum or depth to affect change.

Quote:
“These crowds were nothing. It’s a nothing burger if you can’t get more than that in New York City to rally against Trump.”
— Steve Bannon ([08:21])

• Bannon and Rickards assert that demographic and institutional shifts structurally favor Republican power for the foreseeable future ([11:54]).
  • Emphasize the importance of a mid-decade census, ICE presence at polls, and policy to secure their hold.

6. Corruption in Government Programs: O’Keefe’s Investigation

• James O’Keefe, appearing at [35:30], details an undercover investigation into fraud in federal contracting programs designed to benefit minority and disadvantaged businesses ([36:32]).
  • The scheme: Companies use minority status to win contracts but act as pass-throughs, subcontracting the work and pocketing profits.
  • O’Keefe frames this as a $100 billion scam and argues the program is systemically corrupt, with little genuine oversight or benefit to intended recipients.

Quote:
“This is a $100 billion scam that we’ve busted...these primes are doing no work and it’s just a pass-through scheme...and it’s happening everywhere.”
— James O’Keefe ([36:38], [38:37])

• The panel lauds O’Keefe’s courage in exposing government rot and predicts retaliation from entrenched interests, comparing his plight to previous efforts against ACORN ([47:21]).

Quote:
“Brother, they tried to destroy you...the company you founded…They did everything to harass you. You’re high on their list. And you better...security up, O’Keefe.”
— Steve Bannon ([47:53])

7. Deep State, Donor Class, and Congressional Inaction

• Dave Brat, commenting as a former congressman, laments Congress’s impotence and lack of discussion on critical issues, referencing unchecked spending in Ukraine and the influence of “dark money” ([50:27]).

Quote:
“Congress...put in a $1.5 trillion cut over ten years and couldn’t get it to happen. There’s money laundering going all over the place...The power is kept in...the giant Excel spreadsheet in the sky. That’s the donor spreadsheet.”
— Dave Brat ([50:27])

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Notable Quotes & Moments (Chronological with Timestamps)

• On Anti-Monarchy Protests:
  “Look at that crowd in Boston...more than 100 no kings protests in little old Massachusetts.” — Steve Bannon ([00:00])

• On the Dangers of Power Consolidation:
  “The more you consolidate the power in one person, the less power you have as an individual…” — Dave Brat ([01:18])

• On MAGA's Mentality:
  “We’re never going to let them take power again...we need to win.” — Charlie Kirk ([03:31])

• On Trump as a Divine Figure:
  “President Trump is God’s chosen instrument for this moment in time.” — Steve Bannon ([05:43])

• On the No Kings Protests:
  “This thing had no energy. The crowds rolls. It was a joke. There’s no 7 million, give me a break.” — Steve Bannon ([08:21])

• On Trump’s Providential Nature:
  “He is an instrument of divine providence. Yep, he is. Of that. There’s no doubt.” — Steve Bannon ([20:56])

• On the Rebirth of the Loves:
  “There is a rebirth and you can feel it coming. There’s a rebirth of the loves and it’s the return of the strong gods. And we better make sure we’re serving the right God.” — Dave Brat ([25:43])

• On Massive Contract Fraud:
  “This is a $100 billion scam...the entire system is basically built on a facade.” — James O’Keefe ([36:38])

• On Threats to Whistleblowers:
  “They tried to destroy you at that time...You’re high on their list. And you better...security up, O’Keefe.” — Steve Bannon ([47:55])

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Important Segment/Talking Point Timestamps

• Opening/Protests Coverage: [00:00] – [05:19]
• MAGA Mentality & Power: [03:31] – [04:35]
• Trump as Divine Figure: [05:30] – [06:22]
• “No Kings” Movement Analysis: [08:21] – [12:00]
• Demographic/Istitutional Realignment: [11:54] – [13:00]
• Spiritual Framing & Romans 13: [22:58] – [27:06]
• James O’Keefe Interview (Government Fraud): [35:30] – [49:39]
• Congressional Dysfunction Commentary: [50:27] – [51:54]

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Summary Takeaways

• The War Room frames the ongoing anti-Trump protests as lacking energy and purpose, dismissing them as the product of a frustrated, disconnected left.
• The discussion continually returns to a larger narrative of existential struggle: the MAGA movement as both patriotic and inspired by God, with Trump’s improbable survival and victories seen as providential.
• Institutional corruption—especially in government contracting—remains a core theme, underscored by James O’Keefe’s exposé and predictions of elite backlash.
• The episode blends politics, faith, and populist outrage to encourage vigilance, radical institutional overhaul, and unwavering support for Trump, whom the panel presents as a flawed but divinely ordained leader.

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Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

Maryland. Maryland was a little bit off the hook. The biggest city in the state. Baltimore, of course, not only had a huge turnout for no Kings. Again, it's another one of those cities that Trump is threatening to send the military into it that I think helps goose turnout in any city that he's threatening. But Baltimore, simultaneous to its very large no Kings event, also had a huge marathon this weekend that said credit to the city and its public safety and political leadership. Everything seems to have gone off without a hitch in Baltimore. Here's a look at Baltimore and also Townsend, Maryland and Frederick, Maryland. Boston. Come on, look at that again, not AI, that's a real thing. Look at that crowd in Boston. Boston Mayor Michelle Wu told the huge crowd at the Boston comment that in Boston every day is no King's Day because duh, it was just huge in Boston. But there were more than 100 no kings protests in little old Massachusetts. It's Michigan also had more than 100 no kings protests this weekend all over the state, including up into the Upper Peninsula. Here's a look at Ann Arbor up in the upper left where they had a huge turnout. Also a really big turnout in Detroit. There's a look at Ferndale, Michigan in the lower left there. And of course our beloved Flint, Michigan in the lower right.

[Dave Brat]

Let's take it above Trump. Like the reason that people should care is that the more you consolidate the power in one person, the less power you have as an individual. The country was not set up to be an all powerful monarchy, but over the last 25 years, you've had both parties make government a hell of a lot bigger and provide a hell of a lot more power to the President. Trump has taken that and he's put it on steroids. Republicans are gleeful because they have the power. But like you said, they will do unto you what you did to them. You've been in the game longer than I have, Joe, and you know that there's no new power that is ever introduced into politics by one party that is not used and often abused and stretched to new lengths by the next one.

[Steve Bannon]

Head to head, Minneapolis to Boston. This is pretty intense, right? I don't know why I was surprised to see something that huge for no Kings in Minneapolis. But Minneapolis was just gigantic. Here's Minneapolis and also Duluth in the upper left, Anoka, Minnesota and Northfield, Minnesota. Head from Minnesota down to Mississippi. No Kings protests, not just in College Town, Oxford, Mississippi, the home of Ole Miss. And in Jackson, where people rallied on the south lawn in the Mississippi State Capit, but You also saw good turnout and big protests in Hernando, Mississippi, and in spunky, little beautiful Gulfport, Mississippi. They got a big crowd there. Throngs of people filled and then spilled out of Mill Creek park in Kansas City. So here's a look at Kansas City, Missouri, really was big. And Columbia, Missouri, which was also really big. Springfield, Missouri, look at that. Both sides of the street. And then up at the upper right hand corner there, that's Jeff City. Jeff City, Jefferson City, the state capital of Missouri. People there on the state capitol steps, numbers in some surprising places. Here's West Yellowstone and Red Lodge, Montana. That's Bozeman. Up in the upper left. Our friends again at State's newsroom report that in Polebridge, Montana, which is right on the edge of Glacier national park, they had more people turn out to protest than the actual population of the town. Welcome visitors.

[Charlie Kirk]

But what the basic premise is is that, yeah, we're never going to let them take power again. That's why we have to go. That's why we have to play to win. Because right now, the rule of the game is not the rule of law, but might makes right. And we have the power. We can never let it up. And that is the second part of that sort of thing that they put out there. Some people say, yeah, I don't want it to go to come around again. And it's like, yeah. And that's why you need to either stomach what Trump is doing, right, why you need to go along with this stuff, even though you think it's wrong, even though you know it's ridiculous, even though it cuts against you and you believe it in free speech or freedom or America, because we need to win. Otherwise they're going to come and get you twice as hard next year.

[Steve Bannon]

Who is the we there? Maga. That's it.

[Dave]

It's maga.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's largely maga.

[Charlie Kirk]

And that is why you see some of the breaks with the newer parts of the, you know, sort of like the podcast things that align with Trump the last cycle. They don't really see themselves as part of that we. And so they're willing to be more vocal and critical on a lot of these things because they, they don't see themselves that way. But anyone that's really seen themselves as part of MAGA thinks, you know, you know what, we now have made a deal with the devil. We have to go through with it, because if we don't, they're going to come and get us.

[Steve Bannon]

Not even fully into his first year in office here, and he just had one of the largest days of protest in American history against him in every fricking state in the country. And so, yeah, naturally he celebrates the occasion by getting out of backhoe to start tearing down the White House. He really doesn't want to have to answer to the people. You wouldn't do that if you ever thought you had to. There's a big protest movement now in this country, a big, sustainable, growing, peaceful, fired up protest movement standing against this very unpopular president who is not doing anything to make himself more popular over time, while the popular resistance to him just grows and grows and grows.

[Guest Conservative Commentator]

About Republicans complaining that he is being dubbed a king, is that in their minds, he has already surpassed that title anyway and moved on to a much higher calling.

[Steve Bannon]

He's a miracle worker. Trump just performed an actual miracle before our eyes.

[Jim Rickards]

He was saved to do things like he did today.

[Dave]

He's got just a special anointing, prophecy.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Destiny and divine purpose. President Trump is God's chosen instrument for this moment in time.

[Dave Brat]

I've seen the hand of God on him for a very long time. You know, we're saving Christianity, we're saving God.

[Guest Conservative Commentator]

To Republicans, king is a demotion. He's not a king. He's a deity sent by God to bring peace to all of mankind. A Jesus like figure. I mean, I get it. There is a lot of crossover. It's why tonight I thought we'd end our program with some fun and play the hottest new game show on basic cable. Jesus or Trump.

[Dave Brat]

Bing bong.

[Guest Conservative Commentator]

All right, here we go. You guys are very good at this game. So if you ask, is Trump a king?

[Jim Rickards]

Nay, nay.

[Guest Conservative Commentator]

He is the king of kings. And that, my friends, is a reason to rejoice. Not like that.

[Jim Rickards]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Medieval on these people.

[Jim Rickards]

Reasons I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The people have had a belly full of it.

[Jim Rickards]

I know you don't like hearing that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

[Jim Rickards]

It's going to happen.

[Dave]

And where do people like that go.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

To share the big lie?

[Dave]

MAGA Media.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Ask yourself, what is my task and.

[Jim Rickards]

What is my purpose?

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen k.

[Steve Bannon]

Band.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Tuesday 21st October Year Overlord 2025 in fact, if my Great production crew here in the. Rachel Maddow, you know, she gets into this thing and I think the next block you and I talked about about 3 1/2 percent. If you can pull that. I want to play that a little later. Dave Brat's going to ride shotgun with us this morning. The, you know, Rachel Maddow, the brains of the operation. I think it's pretty evident now she's punched out. I mean it's, they spent 30 minutes on the show last night because you can only watch her on Monday. 30 minutes on the show talking about the epic fail of the no kid, the no Kings. They're hanging their hat on this of like Trump's authoritarian breakout can only be.

[Jim Rickards]

Stopped by the no Kings movement.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

First off, it's the dumbest name in the world, but let's forget the branding for a second. Their whole purpose is they're trying to make an argument that this thing is building with intensity. This is building with, this is building with scale. Because they got this theory of the case from that WAC job up at Harvard, the Institute of Politics, the one that Natalie Winters goes through and you know, blows up every couple of weeks. She's got this theory of how countries are these political scientists, of how countries stop the rise of authoritarians. And they got three ways they do it. You know, they're non violent, they are, they show momentum, they have urgency, they get to scale. And essentially three and a half percent their theory, these political scientists, right, who are all a bunch of guys and men and women don't know anything, that at 3.5% of the population you have a breakout and that's how you thwart the rise of the authoritarians. But you can tell they're trying to make this no Kings thing into something it's not, it's a fail if that's the best you got. These old, you know, the liberals, you know, when you see around, they whine about everything. They want a frictionless life and all they do is bitch about everything because all of most of them are in dead end jobs. They've never really been rewarded in life. What they feel is their proper place in the universe, particularly intellectually. So they're just the meanest, nastiest, most bitter people in the world. One of the reasons I love the MAGA movement is kind of the determination and grit, but also just the good old American, you know, the understanding in adversity, right? In comradeship and in brotherhood and all that. You can have fun and it's the glint in the eyes of people and Understanding what they're fighting for a higher cause, which is defense of this republic as a, as the new Jerusalem. Yeah, we're fighting a spiritual war. And folks understand that and embrace that. On the other side, you just have the same bitter people that don't feel they've been rewarded in life because they're smarter than everybody and they're stuck in some dead end job, either as a teacher, a professor, or something that's attached to the government. And so they never think they've been rewarded and they're bitter for it. This thing had no energy. The crowds rolls. It was a joke. And there's no 7 million. Give me a break. These crowds were nothing. It's a nothing burger if you can't get more than that in New York City to rally against Trump.

[Jim Rickards]

Because it's all hatred.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's pure hatred of Trump and no kings. A guy that won the House, the Senate, the popular vote, the Electoral College and is dominating them on everything. Full spectrum dominance to the fact that they've shut down the government on illegal aliens, because they don't have illegal aliens or anything. And the reason is they don't have.

[Jim Rickards]

Enough of the American people now.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And Brett's going to join me. So I want to get to this instrument of divine will or the providential nature of President Trump's political life. Right, the political life.

[Jim Rickards]

As it becomes.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

More and more evident to these folks. And you're going to see this because of the structural realignment of the country demographically and where the country is moving to, that's become structurally harder and harder for them to get power through the democratic process. What do I mean by. Well, Steve, what do you mean by that? Well, let's give you some details. The Supreme Court, as you know, we followed it closely. This, this racial gerrymandering argument they had. And I believe that they'll come back in January and I think we're going to win that. And that CNN tells me that's 10 seats. The New York Times I think says 19, although I may have those reversed. But somewhere between 10 and 19 seats will flip and become, you know, not just competitive, but seats that it should. Both groups think the Republicans should pick up. So that's huge. But in addition, we have our daily work here at the War Room, which, as you remember, this audience delivered, I don't know, eight or 10 seats in 21 and early 22. That became the basis for Polly Pockets speakership. McCarthy first and then replaced by Polly Pockets. The gross amount of that number is 21. Is Alistair grass who's kind of one of the chief architects of this and was the Chief Architect of 21, 22 has come on here. Now that includes the five in Texas we've already banked. But it also, it doesn't net out the five that it looks like unless we make some dramatic changes. And what I mean by that is get President Trump engaged in the, in the contest out there which the locals heretofore have not wanted. But you must get Trump engaged to stop Newsom in California, you add, I don't know, 10 or 12 there, maybe 15 there net you had 10, 12, 15 net. And the others you got 20 north. It makes it very, very, very difficult for the radical Democrats to think that they can have a shot of taking back the House. Now look, we're going to have to fight every day for that, but it makes the odds longer. Also, there's a couple of structural issues in that demographic shift about the Senate. You add on top of it, what I think we ought to make a top priority is a mid decade census. The one in 2020 was gun decked. Stephen Miller and I had it that no illegal aliens would be counted because illegal aliens cannot be counted and should not be counted. And that was overruled by Wilbur Ross and the Wall street crowd over commerce at the time. We kick that back in and hey, guess what, it becomes self evident on the electoral college basis they can't win anywhere anyway. Short, short, short break. Back in the warm in a second.

[James O'Keefe]

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[Jim Rickards]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[James O'Keefe]

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[Jim Rickards]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Dave]

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[Dave Brat]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Of the new thing. Okay? Anyway, as they get more and more desperate, they're obviously anti Democratic. You saw what the illegitimate regime did. They stole the 2020 election. Yes, they did. They stole the 2020 election and then they clamped down with the vaccine mandates.

[Jim Rickards]

Right?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

They ran this like the Bolsheviks ran things. Remember the billboards about people that if you know anybody that went to January 6th or whatever, the lives of others, like the East Germans and the Stasi, so we know what they're like. That's why you back President Trump. Yes, you, this audience backed President Trump. Put your shoulder to the wheel immediately and said, no, it's not going to be Ron DeSantis, it's not going to be Nikki Haley. Trump's coming back and we're going to set things right here. So the American Cincinnatus, that would be Donald Trump and you are his legions. And the left is going to become more and more apparent because of demographic shifts in the nation and geographic shifts in the nation, that structurally, it's going to be harder and harder and harder for the Democrats to actually.

[Dave]

You know.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Take over, take back the institutions. This is why I say maximalist strategy. Move with urgency and seize the institutions, while seizing the institutions. And they're going to get more and more violent and more and more dangerous. And they're going to be putting up guys like Mandami in these big urban areas where they can get all the illegal aliens in and get them somehow to vote. That's why you have to have ICE officers at the polls in 2026 and, you know, be rolling up people and arresting people in mass deportations. That'll get their attention. I want to play, though. President Trump is providential I had a ringside seat, and President Trump is not churchy.

[Jim Rickards]

Not particularly.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I don't know. Not particularly churchy, okay. But he is an instrument of divine will, and he's a providential figure of that. It's obvious. The facts. Lay it out. Let's go and play some cuts from the war room, and then we'll bring in the day. Brett, in the lesson of Trump, in the steel of 2020, Providence was working through that.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Look, Trump, I've had an opportunity to.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

See it up close for 10, I don't know, 12 years, 13 years. It's providential.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

He's a very imperfect individual. His imperfections and his overcoming his imperfections to save the country makes his greatness even more right in this country. General Washington at the revolution and the.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Birth of the nation.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

You see Washington, you read the biographies. They were torturing him all the time.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Particularly in the revolution, right?

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

They're trying to cashier him. They're putting the knives in his back. I mean, this guy was steady at. And that's how we got through the revolution.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

He wouldn't quit.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

And he understood, if you don't quit.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We'Re going to win.

[Jim Rickards]

Civil war.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Abraham Lincoln, right?

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Same way at the rebirth of the nation and Trump at the reclaiming of the nation, the rejuvenation of the nation. That's why it's all on the line here. This is not normal politics. We're not talking about marginal tax rates. We're not talking about just what were the basic politics at the turn of the century. Why? Think about it for a second yourself. You're much savvier today about politics, the economy, the way the country works, right? If you go back in time and look at yourself in your own political life and what you believed and what you donated for, right? You've had a great awakening, a great awakening that is tied to a spiritual awakening led by a. Trump is not particularly churchy.

[Jim Rickards]

Right.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Because God chooses his instruments and they hate him.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Because they understand your commitment to him. And part of your commitment is you understand. Wait for it, msnbc. Wait for it. Wait for it. No, don't wait for it. He is an instrument of divine providence. Yep, he is. Of that. There's no doubt. There's empirical evidence of that. This is one of the reasons people support him, because they understand he's doing God's will to save this republic. When all rationality said, no, let me not do that, they win. Trump wouldn't do that. Trump would never quit. Trump would never back down. And that's why they hate him, and that's why they must destroy him. But also divine providence. Do not forget the assassination attempt. We came 1/8 of 1/8 of, 1/10 of, 1/20 of 1 millimeter from having President Trump's head blown off right on live tv. That was the work. That was the hand of God. That was the hand of God that gave us the opportunity, the inflection point, for you to use your agency three months later, four months later, and deliver this stunning victory. The same divine providence that put me in a prison, Right, because it is God's plan. Dave, Brett, can we. Jon Stewart. And Jon Stewart is not his name, but Jon Stewart mocks, openly mocks Christ and mocks God, Right? In this discussion of President Trump, is President Trump. You're my theologian here. Is President Trump the instrument of divine providence? The instrument of God's will, sir?

[Dave]

Yes. And you know, as Charlie Kirk taught us, right, What Charlie did that was so great, you know, he was mocked. Christ was mocked. Jon Stewart is a comedian. The country is starting to get serious right now. And so if you go to the Bible, right, There's different spheres. Trump, President Trump is clearly providential. He's not a priest, right? There's different spheres, and there's some complexity in understanding the Christian system. But Romans 13 is the classic text. I mean, for the one in authority is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid. For rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God's servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. The left is freaking out because President Trump not only brought renewed energy to the government, to that sphere, and to justice and to arresting the wrongdoers, but he's also brought tremendous strength to and courage. And it's contagious on the spiritual front. You know, Christ suffered on the cross for all of us. And, you know, if you haven't ever pictured that he took on the wrath for the entire world's sins, of all times, just picture the wrath of God going into one man. And if that doesn't convict you and make you feel thankful to God, he suffered so that we can be faithful, free. And now this country, we live at the absolute pinnacle of freedom. We've bestowed rights on everyone. We have ultimate freedom. We have the highest form of constitutional government you could ever imagine. But now it's getting tricky because we've extended maybe too many rights without corresponding responsibilities in our system. And so a lot of people are taking advantage of this. Pritzker is threatening to go after the law Itself. Right. God has given the law. Pritzker is threatening to go after the law and it's going to be a show of force and of constitutional governance. The president, under his Article 2 powers, clearly has the power to enforce the law of the land. That's what he's doing. Right. And the left gets away. And I think they're running out of time, as Charlie Kirk showed us. Bible sales, by the way, are up 36% fueled by the death of Charlie Kirk, another martyr for Christ.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's not the death.

[Jim Rickards]

It's not the death.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's an assassination. He's a Christian.

[Dave]

Yes, he's a Christian martyr.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Assassination. So continue on. Go ahead, continue on.

[Dave]

Yeah, well, the main point and I think the serious of this moment, right, Stewart, just mocking Jesus Christ, juxtaposing humor, that's some dangerous ground, right? When you talk about the wrath of God, etc. And then he mocks all the Christians who are trying to make great statements about what President Trump means in their lives. But this moment in time, the left, right, the left cannot offer up an alternative worldview. And I think that is kind of a key as to what's going on. They've built up K to 12 higher ed and their philosophical system is called deconstruction. That comes straight out of Karl Marx. Right. The permanent revolution of destroying all of our loves. As the great Catholic R.R. reno has wrote. Return of the strong Gods. The left is tearing down all of our loves, the love of God. They're clearly. They've destroyed God and taken him out of the schools. They're winning the love of our country. Nationalism is now on the rise. Charlie Kirk combined both the spirituality of the Christian system along with the constitutional republic we live in to his service. And then the family has been torn to shreds. But there is a rebirth and you can feel it coming. There's a rebirth of the loves and it's the return of the strong gods. And we better make sure we're serving the right God.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Can you hang on for a second, Dave? Brett, we're going to go to short commercial break.

[Jim Rickards]

Dave.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Brat's running shotgun with Were going to continue to drill down on this because they're raising the stakes. You see Jim Vanderhe over Axios trying to cut a path for them. They're raising the stakes. The left is devolving into a morass of anarchy, chaos and violence because for decades they've depended upon illegal alien invaders to be the basic substrate of their party. And President Trump is out of that. That's why we need to triple down. There's a bunch of Christian preachers saying hey our, our, you know evangelists, our congregations are afraid to come in here.

[Jim Rickards]

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[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is what's so important about signing and finally getting serious about the anti terrorism of Antifa to get down.

[Jim Rickards]

Not the foot soldiers.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's just like in the no kings ground. They're bragging. It was so nonviolent.

[Jim Rickards]

Fantastic. We're great.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's not non violent. Good. Good on you. But it's a stiff. It's got no momentum, it's got no heat. It doesn't have the thing that you can collect to actually win to political power. What do you mean at three and a half percent you're going to do what? Thwart. How are you going to thwart it?

[Jim Rickards]

Tell me how you're going to take the house back.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Rachel and Rachel's punched out. They know that she's taking 20 million a year for one night a week. 20 million bucks a year for one night a week. And she doesn't have her fastball anymore.

[Jim Rickards]

I've said forever. She's the brains of the operation.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

There's no. She spent 27 minutes I think last night going through state by state of this ridiculous no energy A bunch of PBS watchers sitting around the same whining and griping they always do, these liberals, right Progressives. Because it's never good enough. They get a frictionless life, basically. A frictionless life. And all they do is bitch and moan about everything. There was a great piece in the Free Beacon of the MSNBC event to live event they had where they think rolling out Martin Sheen is like going to grab because this is the fantasy. They go back to Martin Sheen and you know, the constitutional lawyer and the white Obama, he's going to solve all the problems, right? No, no, because you're part of the problem. You support the oligarchs, you say you don't, but hey, then why don't you tax them? When you first couple of months of Biden's illegitimate regime, you had the House, you had the Senate, you had the presidency. Where's my tax on the billionaires?

[Jim Rickards]

Where is it?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Where, where'd it go? Didn't go anywhere. Didn't even go to committee. You know why? Because you're owned by the billionaires. And this is why. This is all, you know, it's equivalent to the Kochs doing some stuff in the Tea Party. That's all this no, no kings, no kings, no kings event is about. And there are going to be investigations already at treasury, already at the IRS to getting back of who finances all this. Where's the foreign money? Let's out the billionaires to finance this. Let's just get down to it.

[Jim Rickards]

And that's going to scare a bunch of them off.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And you're going to have the devolution.

[Jim Rickards]

Of the Democratic Party understanding they can't.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Win national elections with no illegal aliens gone. They have no muscle, they're gone.

[Jim Rickards]

They're not going to be able to.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Win the House on a national basis. Not going to be able to take back over the Senate. The electoral college is permanently shifting our way in 2030. Now I say permanently. We have to deliver on what we're saying we have to deliver in the present. I think you're going to see a big pivot back to domestic issues quite shortly. He's trying to solve, he's trying to solve these wars and these problems with China, the economic war there as a domestic concern so we don't get sucked into more 20 year wars. This is why the CIA director should come forward right now to the American people and tell about the gun decked intelligence that you told the President of.

[Jim Rickards]

The United States that almost sucked us.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

In to a, to a land war in Persia. Okay, we have to do that. But this is why this is such a, this is the battle right here. This is the fight. And they got no juice, no energy, no urgency. No. And they're trying to make, they're trying.

[Jim Rickards]

To make this case.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Now it's getting bigger every time. It started at 2 million, went to 5 million, now it's 7 million. There was not 7 million people.

[Jim Rickards]

And it's not 7 million people that matter.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

What I mean by that. The people like in the, the, the Warren Posse that will get out into the trenches and get it done. Those people just want to sit at home and watch PBS and old reruns of West Wing and bitch and moan about Trump. That's what they want to do. I've got.

[Jim Rickards]

Now let's go ahead.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We have a cold open. I got the James o' Keefe here. Quite interesting. Let's go ahead and, let's go and play the open. I'm gonna bring James. Okay, so ATI do 20% and those.

[James O'Keefe]

Subcontractors do like 80%.

80%.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We want to share that.

[James O'Keefe]

They do all the work. No, so we do about 20% of the work.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

20%.

[James O'Keefe]

These government contractors like ATI, taking advantage of their special minority owned status.

And I tell you, pass throughs are a great thing as well. So a lot of our subcontractors bid on contract contracts that were perfect in their industry, but because they weren't Native American, they wouldn't win it. So we built it for them. They became our sub. And it's an automatic win because your Native American status isn't that exciting. A lot of people don't know that.

I don't think anybody knows that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We want to keep it that way. That's right.

[Charlie Kirk]

You know what I mean?

[James O'Keefe]

Exactly.

Taking the money. Money in, subcontracting much of the work out.

I sit back, collect my percentage. And they do the work, correct? Yeah, they're doing most of work.

Get the contracts, get the money, act as a pass through and it's the taxpayer who gets screwed over.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Was there some rules or something that you were telling me about that you have to report?

[James O'Keefe]

51 on paper, correct?

Right.

As long as on paper. As long as it's on pager, 51%.

[Dave]

We'Re good to go.

[James O'Keefe]

And remember, there's no competition. Cuz you're Native American.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Ding, ding. That's the, that's the best kept secret.

[James O'Keefe]

It is indeed.

[Dave]

It is.

[James O'Keefe]

It is.

Go ahead.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And here's to, here's to pass throughs. There you go. How about that? Yeah, exactly, exactly.

[Jim Rickards]

In.

[James O'Keefe]

In vino.

In vino veritas.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Let me. So hold it. I got James o' Keefe as the narrator.

[Jim Rickards]

James, I don't know.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is back to your ACORN days. Now you're at the front line of investigations. Was that you or Willy Wonka in the, in the meetings? I mean, and they actually, they didn't see through your disguise, sir.

[James O'Keefe]

Hey, Steve. Yeah. This is, this is kind of akin to the acorn pimp hooker thing from 16 years ago. I mean, I, I just put on a ridiculous disguise. But it's question, am I really good at my job or are these people just that systemically corrupt? Yeah, this is not fake. This is real. An actual subcontractor who gets hundreds of millions of dollars from the federal government that we busted. And this is a huge, huge scam. This 8 8A program designed to help, quote, socially and economically disadvantaged small businesses. Steve, it's a billion, hundred billion dollar scam that we've busted. And now we have the head of the SBA, as of last night, launching an investigation. Hopefully this gets reformed.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, we know a bunch of guys over the sba, but here's the question I've got. It's stunning.

[Jim Rickards]

And this is why you got to.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Watch the entire video.

[Jim Rickards]

James actually in and they're having meetings.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And he's, you know, he's, he's Willy Wonka.

[Jim Rickards]

But this is a huge program. How was this program not gutted?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We just had a $2 trillion, $1.8 trillion deficit. We're looking at a 2 trillion dollar deficit. The deconstruction of the administrative state.

[Jim Rickards]

I thought that this was low hanging fruit.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

How do we get to USAID and these others and miss this?

[Jim Rickards]

This program is massive.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And you just saw right there, it's.

[Jim Rickards]

Both corrupt and incompetent.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Right?

[Jim Rickards]

It's not even doing what it says do. So how did this, how did this miss the acts of Russ vote?

[James O'Keefe]

Well, I'm not sure that it did. I mean, this just broke yesterday afternoon. Yesterday evening. And we've got another one coming out tomorrow. Another employee in one of these firms. We're going to, I'm going to keep, I'm going to bring down the whole disease temple. Steve Bannon, I've been working on this story for nine months. I've got people, I've got multiple videos inside these firms. And you know, my understanding is Russ is aware of it, but to answer your question is why hasn't it been taken down? Is because everyone's making money off this. Everyone. And it seems like Everyone. I mean, I've gotten 100 messages overnight. I stay up all night reading all these messages. Everybody is making money off of this eight, A small business minority subcontracting scheme. The entire system is basically built on a facade. And so you basically have to tear it down brick by brick because the whole thing would collapse. This is 5%, Steve, of the federal deficit, $2 billion. This is 100 billion through these fraudulent eight schemes.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Walk me through.

[Jim Rickards]

You said everybody's making money.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And this, as you know, in this.

[Jim Rickards]

Town, that's what drives things.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Just walk me through that for a second.

[James O'Keefe]

Well, this is the goal of this eight. A program is to assist small disadvantaged businesses through business development. And you have to sub out the work to an organization. You're supposed to do more than 51% of the work. If you're subbing the work out to a subcontractor, what actually happens is these primes are doing no work and it's just a pass through scheme and then they take a share of the funds. So a lot of this happens everywhere. I've gotten messages from military contractors, from construction contractors, and these people. And these eight firms aren't even minority owned. This is a Super 8. So it's supposedly Native American owned, but actually the CEO is actually a white guy named Firmage Crutchfield. So these schemes are happening on a massive level. They're well intended. They're supposed to help quote unquote disadvantaged groups. But like most DEI programs, the road to hell is good intentions.

[Jim Rickards]

Hold it, hang on.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

There's supposed to be minority run organizations. How do you have a white guy as the head guy?

[James O'Keefe]

That's a great question. Let me ask you an even deeper question. How the hell does that individual, who's director of contracts, who's worked, whose father and mother worked for the FBI, how does she not know that? I'm James o'. Keefe. So these are, these are questions. So I mean, I mean it's incompetent, it's corrupt, it's a, it's a, it's a joke is what it is.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And I, and I. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

[Jim Rickards]

When you're nine month investigation, how much, how much did you go. Because this is like back to your.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Original thing when Andrew Breitbart was so blown away about when you got an acorn or so many other things, you would go in and be at the tip of the spear. When you put out these other videos, were you an active participant in the investigation like we saw you here in your Willy Wonka outfit? Throughout the investigation.

[James O'Keefe]

Yeah, I mean, we had to set up. This was not a honey pot. This is not a dating app. This was. We had to set up a fake website, pose as headhunters, and with our own 8A business, this particular. This is a very sophisticated investigation. This was not something that was done overnight. This individual apparently had a side hustle, some type of catering company she did on weekends. So we posed as a group, an 8 a group met with her under the pretense that we were buying her catering. And then in the conversation, 10 minutes into the conversation, she admits that her subcontract company, 8A firm, is engaged in fraud. So we had to come up with a reason to meet with her. And then we met in an Arlington, Virginia, restaurant with hidden cameras. Let me go back to what you said about these eight A firms. It's a huge scam, and it's happening across the country, everywhere. And I think a lot of. Steve, a lot of the problems is that you take away these programs, you take away a lot of people's money, you take away a lot of people's mansions, a lot of people's yachts. At the end of the day, it's about money, and it's a huge scam. But we do have. We do have news. The head of the sba last night, the head of the SBA putting out a statement that the SBA has launched an investigation into this company, and they're launching. Conducting a full review of the eight program designed to help these dei. And in February, the SBA took immediate action to slash contracting. So we hope that Russ and Pam are watching and they actually reform the system because the time is now.

[Jim Rickards]

Can you hang on one second?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I just. I want to ask you a couple questions about the investigation, but particularly. Here's what I do.

[Jim Rickards]

Your stuff has been so great recently.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I always see the left immediately come out and trying to say, oh, no, Keith's a bad guy, or this is all doctored and the footage is cut. So I want to get to. We have the SBA starting a formal investigation.

[Jim Rickards]

I want to get to how the.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Left is going to try to chop back you so we can't get a full and deep investigation and get results. 100 billion dollar program that's got to go, because I'm not sure you can even reform this. Hang on for a second. O', Keefe, Dave Brat's with me riding shotgun. We're gonna take a short commercial break. Gold is on a tear. Of course it's going to go up and down around when it sets a new. A new floor, right? You have to understand why this happens.

[Jim Rickards]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Jim Rickards]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Jim Rickards]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Jim Rickards]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.

[Jim Rickards]

Okay, the economists I'll be doing.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

There'll be an interview with myself and the senior team with the Economist on Thursday. We'll make sure we push it out. A lot of it's dealing with this new edition of the Economist.

[Jim Rickards]

A special report, the coming debt emergency. Have you ever heard this anywhere before, folks? I don't know, maybe four years ago, five years ago in the war room. The economists finally catching up. And it's Quite grim, folks.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

335 or $340 trillion global debt and.

[Jim Rickards]

The margin calls coming.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And this thing is grim. We're Gonna get into it.

[Jim Rickards]

But that deficit of 1.8 trillion. Because we have not cut federal spending like we have to cut it. We have $100 billion program.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

James O' Keefe is gutting this thing.

[Jim Rickards]

Now, O', Keefe, here's the question. The left is going to be all.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Over you because this is real money to them, right? That hundred billion dollars is going back to all these community organizations.

[Jim Rickards]

Just like you took down acorn.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And, brother, they tried to destroy you at that time.

[James O'Keefe]

So walk.

[Jim Rickards]

Because now these other ones you put in jail, the other ones are big pharma stuff, bad enough, but now you're coming after the mother's milk of the revolutionary left. So tell me what I can anticipate. SBA started a formal investigation off. Just your first one. You got more to come. What's gonna happen to James o'?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Keefe?

[James O'Keefe]

Well, first of all, Steve, I think they've run out of arrows. They've sued me 50 times. They put me in jail. They put me on house arrest for three years. The FBI raided me and I was fired from the company. I found it. I mean, I don't know what their next move is. I mean, I hesitate to say what I think their next move is, but I actually. I actually have faith this time, Bannon, because I don't think this is a left or right issue. I think this is about money. And I don't see it. I mean, I suppose because it's 8A subcontractors, the program is kind of a DEI thing. It's well intentioned. It's. It's supposed to help minority groups and small businesses, but the small businesses sub out the work to Accenture in these large firms that so. And the small businesses and the eight groups do zero work. It's a federal crime to do less than 51% of the work. And they're on tape bragging about it. The woman is giving specific data, specific numbers.

[Jim Rickards]

So I don't.

[James O'Keefe]

I don't. I honestly have no idea what I will say. And what has to happen is cash and Pam and Russ, I know that they have this, and I. And they need to take action. They're in charge.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yes.

[James O'Keefe]

There's no excuse. We don't.

[Steve Bannon]

I think that.

[James O'Keefe]

Latest I heard is they're waiting for the New York Times reporters. Stop waiting for the New York Times. Do your job. I mean this sincerely.

[Jim Rickards]

Brother. I'm telling you, as we told Charlie.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And other people, you are a big time target. They try to put you in prison.

[Jim Rickards]

They had the FBI kick down your door.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

They did everything to harass you. A house arrest for three years. People don't even know that. He was a house arrest for three years. The company you founded was so great. Got you fired from that. Took it from you. You're high on their list. And you better. You better not just lawyer up. You better security up o'. Keefe.

[Jim Rickards]

Where do we get all this?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Because. Go ahead.

[James O'Keefe]

Lawsuit. I would say lawsuits is probably their. Probably their play. They're going to try to use litigation to bankrupt me. That would be the most obvious response here.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah, but you're more dangerous to them than that. They'll. They'll try that. Don't get me wrong.

[Jim Rickards]

But you're a warrior. And this program, brother, is how this, like the NGOs, this is how they fund the radical left. This is when you went after acorn. And knowing now what they knew, if they knew then, if they knew then.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

What they knew now, trust me, you're a warrior and you don't back down.

[Jim Rickards]

And you keep coming up with one.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Great hit after the other. So it's pretty stunning.

[Jim Rickards]

Where do people go to o' Keeffe.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Media Group to get this?

[James O'Keefe]

Sir, o' Keeffe Media Group and Citizen Journalism foundation, we are tax deductible now. So if you're watching this program and you support this journalism, donate to us. We have another one coming out on Wednesday. Another. Another organization getting money from the SBA, getting money from these Super 8A contracts and admitting to wire fraud and pass throughs. This is going to come out Wednesday. We have another one coming out Thursday. We're going to keep busting these guys. We want people to get arrested. We want justice. And we're not going to stop until we get it. And stay tuned for Wednesday and Steve, I hope to talk to you then.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I think we will have you on Wednesday and Thursday, sir. Already pre booked. Thank you, James o', Keefe, you're a hero and a warrior.

[James O'Keefe]

Thank you.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

People didn't know they had. They had o' Keefe on house arrest, I think with ankle theory for three years. Remember, o' Keefe's one of these guys that kept doing it. If we didn't come back, o' Keefe be in prison right now. That's how much they want to get o'. Keefe.

[Jim Rickards]

Brad, I know you got to bounce. I'm going to have you back on.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I'll talk to you this afternoon or tomorrow. We'll talk more about the spiritual side of this.

[Jim Rickards]

But I got to ask you, you were in Congress. How in the Hell does this happen?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is one of the things that's supposed to be gutting. Now we have a problem.

[Jim Rickards]

It has to be o' Keefe going.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

In undercover and get the SBA guys.

[Jim Rickards]

On top of it and now get.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Cash or Dan Bongino or Pam or.

[Jim Rickards]

Russ or somebody's attention. But this is not, it's not there.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is.

[Jim Rickards]

Why is Congress on this? Why is this in the appropriations process, not come out and say, no, we're.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Not doing this anymore, brother.

[Dave]

Yeah, well, you see Trump, Trump is carrying the whole load. Congress, you know, Russ vote a couple years back had a $1.5 trillion cut per year. Congress put in a 1.5 trillion cut over 10 years and couldn't get it to happen. There's money laundering going all over the place. Right. There's $300 billion going over to Ukraine. No audit of that one. When I was in Congress and ask your congressman, everybody out there across the country, ask them what you're doing on foreign policy. They wouldn't let us discuss foreign policy. I was in four years, they never had one foreign policy discussion in conference, ever. The CIA has run 50 coup d' etats over the past 50 years. There was no discussion of the role of the CIA, our intelligence organizations. It's kind of keep it small, Keep it. All right. The power is kept in what I used to call the giant Excel spreadsheet in the sky. That's the donor spreadsheet. And, and right now, the power from the left, the dark money zero hedge, had an incredible piece a couple days ago on the billionaire dark money flooding into the governors. Flooding it. Yes. Everybody followed that. And I'll jump back on and we'll cover that another day.

[Jim Rickards]

Dave. Brad, social media.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

You're a warrior, sir.

[Dave]

Yep. Brad, Economics. Get her an X and I'll be posting a lot. We just had a very successful CEO summit at Liberty. And thank you guys for helping us cover that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I want to get, I want to get some footage from that and have you come and explain it. Very successful. We need, we need to do more of that.

[Jim Rickards]

Brad, you're amazing.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Thank you so much, sir.

[Dave]

Thanks, Steve. God bless you.

[Jim Rickards]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

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