Episode 4868: Weaponization Of Science: Flaws & Fraud In Research

Summary

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Bannon's War Room Episode 4868: Weaponization Of Science: Flaws & Fraud In Research

Date: October 21, 2025
Host: Steve Bannon
Guest: Dr. James Lyons-Weiler
Main Theme: Exposing the manipulation, flaws, and potential fraud in scientific research, with a sharp focus on regulatory capture, pharmaceutical influence, and systemic bias in American health science.

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the concept of the "weaponization of science"—how scientific research, especially within the medical and pharmaceutical sectors, can be corrupted or manipulated for political and corporate gain. Steve Bannon and guest Dr. James Lyons-Weiler dissect examples of alleged fraud, biases driven by funding, the revolving door between regulators and industry, and what Dr. Lyons-Weiler claims are suppressed or fraudulent scientific studies related to vaccines and medicine. The conversation aims to equip listeners with skepticism about the institutional scientific process as shaped by powerful interests.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Weaponization of Science: How Science Gets Corrupted

Timestamp 37:28–42:24

• Systemic Bias: Dr. James Lyons-Weiler explains that academic scientists, especially those funded by pharmaceutical endowments or research chairs, may be implicitly pressured to produce outcomes favorable to their benefactors—or risk losing funding or academic standing.

  “If I’m a scientist and I have to answer to a pharmaceutical company...I’m going to do everything I can do to make sure that their products look as good as they possibly can.” – Dr. Lyons-Weiler (37:51)

• Selection Pressure and Compliance: The system ‘selects for people willing to sell out,’ resulting in a bias towards industry-favorable science.

• Concrete Example: Dr. Lyons-Weiler cites the CDC MMR/autism study and claims data manipulation occurred, including the exclusion of subsets of data (such as African American boys without Georgia birth certificates) to nullify evidence of harm.

  “They manipulated the study by dropping everybody from the study that didn’t have a Georgia birth certificate just to reduce the sample size...that’s fraud.” – Dr. Lyons-Weiler (39:51)

2. Fraud, Suppression, and Retraction in Scientific Literature

Timestamp 42:24–44:59

• Fraud vs. Weaponization: Dr. Lyons-Weiler distinguishes between fraudulent research (overt falsification or concealment of data) and ‘weaponized’ science (science spun for political or corporate narratives).

• Retractions as Censorship: Dr. Lyons-Weiler claims that good studies, especially those critical of vaccine safety, have been retracted under pressure from powerful interests. He mentions that Robert F. Kennedy Jr., as Secretary of HHS, has handed the Attorney General’s office a list of 28 such ‘wrongful retractions.’

  “There are journals that have retracted good studies...and that’s another aspect of weaponization...Those journals have been put on notice by the Attorney General’s office.” (42:07 & 42:44)

• Potential for Prosecution: There’s discussion about whether these practices might prompt criminal investigations for defrauding the federal government.

3. Regulatory Capture and the ‘Deep State’ in Public Health

Timestamp 44:59–47:07

• The Revolving Door: The episode draws attention to former regulatory officials who join major pharmaceutical companies soon after leaving government roles (e.g., Peter Marks, Julie Gerberding).

  “You saw Peter Marks take a job at a big pharmaceutical company...Julie Gerberding many years ago take a job at Monsanto...That needs to stop.” – Dr. Lyons-Weiler (45:23)

• Definition: Regulatory capture is explained as government agencies making policy favoring the corporations they’re supposed to regulate, often against the public’s interest.

• Scale of the Problem: Dr. Lyons-Weiler asserts that ‘regulatory capture is one of the biggest threats to public health in the United States’ (46:07).

4. New Allegations of Data Concealment in Vaccine Research

Timestamp 49:00–51:14

• CDC ‘Fixer’ Allegation: Dr. Lyons-Weiler claims that Tom Shimabukuro, a CDC official, concealed a finding of a “4,250% increase in fetal demise” following influenza vaccination during pregnancy, by not presenting the data to relevant safety committees.

  “He actually had data that he did not show...we have people drawing up affidavits that he showed a 4,250% increase in fetal demise during vaccination during pregnancy with influenza.” – Dr. Lyons-Weiler (49:35)

• Alleged Pattern: Shimabukuro is alleged to have been involved in data suppression for RSV and COVID vaccines as well.

• Call for Accountability: Dr. Lyons-Weiler suggests action is being pursued and offers resources via his website.

5. Broader Critique: The System vs. Individual Villains

Timestamp 44:07–44:59

• Beyond Fauci: Bannon argues, and Dr. Lyons-Weiler concurs, that focusing anger solely on figures like Anthony Fauci is naive; the problem is systemic, incentivizing ‘go along to get along’ behavior.

  “The reality is the system itself drives this...because of careerism, they go along...You’ve got crimes all over the place.” – Steve Bannon (44:59)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the selection of compliant scientists:

  “The system selects for people that are willing to sell out.”
  — Dr. James Lyons-Weiler (37:51)

• On CDC MMR/autism study fraud:

  “That’s fraud. So the demarcation between science and fraud is something that’s been going on for decades, over 100 years.”
  — Dr. James Lyons-Weiler (39:51)

• On regulatory capture:

  “Regulatory capture is where agencies...make policy that reflects the interest of companies...they should be regulating them, but they're actually potentially against the public’s interest and against public health.”
  — Dr. James Lyons-Weiler (46:07)

• On whistleblowing and retractions:

  “Kennedy gave him a list of 28 studies...that were wrongfully retracted and those journals have been put on notice...”
  — Dr. James Lyons-Weiler (42:44)

• On systemic rot, not just individuals:

  “The reality is the system itself drives this...It’s kind of like the SS in World War II, go along to get along. And you’ve got crimes all over the place.”
  — Steve Bannon (44:59)

• On agency deep state:

  “There’s regulatory capture at HHS...careers and people that are survivors that hold on to their job by doing whatever is necessary to enforce whatever narrative they’re told to enforce by the people that are keeping them there.”
  — Dr. James Lyons-Weiler (45:23)

• On CDC’s Tom Shimabukuro and fetal demise data:

  “He showed a 4,250% increase in fetal demise during vaccination during pregnancy with influenza...He hid the results by not presenting it to the committees on vaccine safety.”
  — Dr. James Lyons-Weiler (49:35–50:49)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 37:28 — Dr. Lyons-Weiler introduced; explains academic bias and science vs. fraud
• 39:51 — CDC MMR/autism study example and data manipulation claims
• 42:07 — Scientific journals retracting vaccine-critical research under pressure
• 44:07 — Bannon and Lyons-Weiler discuss system-wide issues beyond Fauci
• 45:23 — Explanation and examples of regulatory capture in HHS/FDA
• 46:07 — Clarifying the threat of regulatory capture to public health
• 49:00 — Allegations about Tom Shimabukuro, CDC, and concealed vaccine pregnancy data
• 50:49 — Further details on data concealment and ongoing efforts to address it

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Additional Resources Mentioned

• Dr. Lyons-Weiler’s Substack: Popular Rationalism
• MAHA Institute: For more on the "Weaponization of Science"
• Upcoming Guest: Dr. Brian Hooker is invited to discuss related topics

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Tone & Language

The episode features a muscularly skeptical, sometimes confrontational tone—Bannon presses for specifics (“Hang on a second”), while Dr. Lyons-Weiler responds with both technical and anecdotal evidence. There is persistent use of “deep state” framing, appeals to populism, and language that positions the show and its audience against entrenched elite interests in science and government.

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Summary for the Uninitiated

This episode claims to uncover how the inherent structure and funding of American science—especially biomedical science—has led to widespread bias, politicization, and even outright fraud. Through pointed examples (MMR/autism study, vaccine-related retractions), Dr. Lyons-Weiler argues that regulatory agencies are captured by corporate interests and that whistleblowers, including himself and Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., are beginning to push for accountability. Listeners are left with an urgent, if controversial, call to scrutinize institutional science and support independent inquiry.

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Transcript

[Katie]

Funding bill for the furloughed employees.

[John Bresnahan]

It's not going to pass, Katie. Most likely that's Ron Ron Johnson of Wisconsin's bill, a bill that he's introduced in past shutdowns which would pay for effectively pay for federal employees who are otherwise furloughed. I don't think that's going to pass. We just reported John Bresnahan just reported he that Chris Van Hollen who represents Maryland, a huge obviously a huge hub, huge bastion of federal workers is going to put out his own bill that does something similar which to me signals that the under that the Ron Johnson bill is not going to pass. Democratic Democrats rather complaint is that the the Ron John bill provides a slush fund of sorts and the president can decide who he wants to pay and who he doesn't want to pay. Now I personally do question whether there is some risk in opposing that.

[Donald Trump]

We see we have a very safe.

[Steve Bannon]

The president is taking questions right now. So we're going to do a hard cut and we'll pick up the show when the president's finish.

[Indian Reporter]

A comment and a question please.

[Donald Trump]

For you.

[Indian Reporter]

First of all, you have just won billion plus hearts around the globe, including in India by celebrating the Diwali in.

[Donald Trump]

The White House right here.

[Indian Reporter]

And my other comments is Mr. President.

[Donald Trump]

I like his question. Already.

[Indian Reporter]

In February you and the White House staff welcomed gave a warm welcome to the prime Minister of India, Mr. Narendra Modi. And after that I decided to make a short trip to India for you how popular you are in India. And I went there in a holiest also festival there. Millions of people were there and also Prime Minister Narendra Modi was addressing a media event, 5,000 people I was one of them there listening to him. And when I went to several states in India, what I found out, Mr. President, three people are most popular there. Prime Minister Narendra Modi, President Donald Trump, Mr. Keshe Patel and also with the surprise our White House press secretary Karen Levin.

[Donald Trump]

He's doing good. He is doing good.

[Indian Reporter]

Mr. President, my question is you had a great relationship with the people of India when you visited India and with the prime minister of India, Narendra Modi and also with the Indian American community. Where do we stand today all those generations from 45 to 47 in the future.

[Donald Trump]

Mr. President, please. Thank you. We stand great. And the people of India, I love the people of India and we're working on some great deals between our countries. I spoke to Prime Minister Modi today as I mentioned before and we just have A very good relationship. And he's not going to buy much oil from Russia. He wants to see that war end as much as I do. He wants to see the war end with Russia, Ukraine. And as you know, they're not going to be buying too much oil. So they've cut it way back and they're continuing to cut it way back. Mr. President. What? Are the Kremlin satisfied?

[Katie]

Mr. President?

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah.

[Donald Trump]

Please.

[Katie]

An appeals court recently that you can send the National Guard into Portland, Oregon. Do you feel unfettered to send the National Guard into whatever city you want now?

[Donald Trump]

Well, I guess that was the decision. I can send the National Guard if I see problems. I looked at Portland over the weekend, the places burning down, just burning down. We weren't there. We didn't spend much time there because we were waiting for that decision. But the court, probably that maybe that influenced the court. But you look at a place like Portland, it's just, it's ridiculous when they say that there's no problem. The place was, it was on fire over the weekend. But we did, we won the case in court of appeals. I think it was a nice 9th Circuit. So that's pretty good. And very strong opinion that we have the right to use the National Guard. You would think that would be common sense. We have the right to use the National Guard to put out trouble. Well, that's, you know, how I got elected. One of the reasons I got elected.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

What changed your mind after talking to Vladimir Putin between then and now, why did you think that a Budapest summit would be. Might be a wasted. Might be wasted time?

[Donald Trump]

Well, I didn't say anything. I didn't say it would. And, you know, you never know what's going to happen. But a lot of things are happening on that front, on the war front with Ukraine and Russia. And we'll be notifying you over the next two days as to what we're doing.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Did you hear.

[Mike Lindell]

A lot of.

[Donald Trump]

A lot of things are happening.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Did you hear something from President? Ukraine. Do you still see a chance for a ceasefire and what is Putin asking for? Do you still see a chance for a ceasefire and what is Putin asking for?

[Donald Trump]

I do. It's a vicious. Look, it's a vicious war. It doesn't really affect us. We sell equipment to them, we sell equipment to NATO and NATO gives it to Ukraine, but we don't pay anything anymore. Biden spent $350 billion. The war would have never happened if I were president. Would have never, not even a million years. And Putin knows that, too. Would have Never happened. But it did happen. And I came in and I have to see if I can put it out. But it doesn't affect us because we're not losing soldiers there. Although when I first came in, that could have ended up. It's not going to happen, but it could have ended up in World War Three. That was really out of control. So now it's. They're shooting and they're killing people. And I think Putin wants it to end, and I think Zelensky wants it to end, and I think it's going to end well.

[Katie]

He said he reached out to you about meeting on the government down. Will you meet with them before you leave for Asia on Friday?

[Donald Trump]

Well, I will, actually. I'd love to meet with them. I just want them to open up the country first. You know, the country is so hot right now, and they've never voted against, you know, continuation. They've never voted again. They've never done that. They're doing this because they have Trump derangement syndrome. But I will. I would love to meet. I would like to meet with both of them. But I set one little caveat. I will only meet if they let the country open. They have to let the country open. The people want to go back to work. They want to be served. They want to.

[Mike Lindell]

They.

[Donald Trump]

They need the services of some people, and a lot of people need the money, the payroll. So I'll do it as soon as they open up the country. I'd like to meet.

[Katie]

Just to be clear, you won't meet with them until the government's open.

[Donald Trump]

The government has to be open. Yeah. You know how long it would take them to do? They just say, okay, government's open. That's it. There is nothing.

[Steve Bannon]

How long?

[Donald Trump]

They're not negotiating. What they're doing is saying, they lost the negotiation. When we got the great big beautiful deal done, they lost that negotiation. Now they're saying, well, we want to get some of the things we lost, but the problem is the things they lost are very bad for our country. We don't want to have people come over from all over the world, from prisons and all, and have them have their health care paid for. We want to take care of people that are. That are American citizens and all. So they want $1.5 trillion of money to be wasted and jeopardize the healthcare of other people. We're not going to do that. So we're going to. I would love to meet with them. We want the country open first.

[Katie]

Mr. President, a new poll shows that if Curtis Sliwa dropped out of the New York mayoral race, then Andrew Cuomo would only trail Mamdani by 4 points. And would you call Curtis Lewa to drop out of the race so that can happen?

[Donald Trump]

Well, I looked at the polls, and looks like we're going to have a Communist as the mayor of New York. It'll be very interesting, but here's the good news. He's got to go through the White House. Everything goes through the White House. At least this White House it does. And we'll have to see what happens. But if he dropped out, he's not going to win. And not looking too good for Cuomo either. But maybe. I don't know, if he dropped out, maybe Cuomo would have a little bit of a chance, but not much, because it looks like the lead is. It's not a great lead, but it's big enough that he should be able to win. So, you know, I don't know that I want to get involved. It's really a question of would I rather have a Democrat or a Communist? And I would rather have a Democrat than a Communist.

[Katie]

Will you beat Mamdani if he wins?

[Donald Trump]

Yeah, I'll speak to him. Obligation to speak to him. But look, I love New York. I've always loved New York. I just can't believe a thing like this is happening. I left New York and we had a Mayor de Blasio who was a disaster, but when I left, it was sort of before he could really take hold. And, boy, New York was a hot city. And now it's. It's sad to see what's happening, frankly. And with the Communists in charge. Look, you just go back 1,000 years. I mean, it's been done many times. A thousand years. It's never worked once. So it's not going to work now, either.

[Katie]

Mr. President, you're building your ballroom right now. They're also building the Obama Presidential Library. I'm wondering if you've seen.

[Donald Trump]

He needs help.

[Katie]

Have you seen pictures of the architecture and.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah, I did. It's not too pretty. No, but it's closed. It's stopped. They ran out of money. Means building a library slash museum. You know, you call it some museum, and usually they call both. They call it library and museum. That's the official name. And they're stuck. And he wanted only women in DEI to build it. Well, that's what they got. And the construction workers are standing out there and saying, we want to be able to build it. You know, you have great. I built a great building in Chicago as you know, a big, beautiful building, one of the tallest buildings in the country. And we got it built very quickly, very well. And we used the construction workers of Chicago. They're great workers, they're great construction people. And I suggest that he get them involved. But they're hundreds of millions of dollars over budget and I think it stopped. I'm reading these terrible stories, but that's the way our country was run under President Obama, too. Nobody knew it.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Thank you, Mr. President.

[Katie]

Russia remains China's top crude oil supplier. In September, are you considering tariffs on China?

[Donald Trump]

Well, I mean, you read the same papers as I do, but I don't have to read the papers because I'm the one. Right now, as of November 1, China will have about 155% tariff put on it. And I don't think it's sustainable for them. So I want to. I want to be nice to China. But China has been very rough with us over the years because we had presidents that weren't smart from a business standpoint. Some were good politicians, some weren't even good politicians, but they allowed China to take advantage of us and every other country to take advantage of us. If you see, I made a deal with the European Union, I made a deal with Japan, with South Korea, made a lot of these deals that are great deals. And I was able to do it. It's really national security. I was able to do it because of tariffs. And we're getting hundreds of billions, even trillions of dollars paid into the United States. We're a very rich country. Again, we'll start paying off debt. We'll do a lot of things. We'll probably make a distribution out of some of the tariff money. I think we're going to make a distribution over the next fairly short period of time to people because we took in so much money from the tariffs. Just European Union, $650 billion, Japan, $550 billion, South Korea, $350 billion. That's even a lot of money for you guys, right? That's not bad.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Right?

[Donald Trump]

But now we're taking in a lot of money and it keeps people like this here because that's why they're coming in. I mean, you wouldn't be. I mean, I'm not going to speak for you, but generally they won't be coming in at borrowing tariffs. They come in here and they don't have to pay any tariff. If they do it outside, they pay a lot of money, a lot of tariffs. The money comes to us and in order not to pay the tariff, they come and they build here. That's why we have more plants under construction than we've ever had in the history of our country. And you wouldn't think it's complicated, but you would have thought somebody would have done this a long time ago, sitting in this beautiful seat behind what's called the Resolute desk. You know that, right? This is a very famous. This is even more famous than any of your desks. But your desks are very good.

[Katie]

Follow up on her question to you because the New York Times is reporting that your legal team is seeking $230 million from your own Justice Department now in response to the investigations into you.

[Donald Trump]

It could be.

[Katie]

Is that something you want your legal team to do?

[Donald Trump]

I don't know what the numbers are. I don't even talk to them about it. All I know is that they would owe me a lot of money. But I don't. I'm not looking for money. I'd give it to charity or something. I would give it to charity, any money. But look what they did. They rigged the election. And as you know, we had, in one case, 60 Minutes had to pay us a lot of money. George Sloppadopoulos had to pay us a lot of money. And they already paid. You know, they paid me a lot of money because what they did was wrong. And, you know, when somebody does what's wrong now with the country, it's interesting because I'm the one that makes the decision, right? And, you know, that decision would have to go across my desk. And it's awfully strange to make a decision where I'm paying myself. In other words, did you ever have one of those cases where you have to decide how much you're paying yourself in damages? But I was damaged very greatly. And any money that I would get, I would give to charity.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, Mr. President.

[Donald Trump]

Please go ahead.

[Steve Bannon]

Is the Democrat Party now more Zoran Mandani's party than it is even Leader Schumer's or Leader probably is.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah, yeah. Look, it's. Maybe he'll run for president in four years. You have a Communist president. That would be interesting, right? I don't see it happening. You know, I've always said, you will never see. And I always talked about socialism. You will never see a socialist so and so. And I was right. I say it in his speeches. We will not have socialism in our country. And I was right. Communism, yes. But so I said, in other words, they skipped socialism and they went down to communism. No, he's a communist. And he's going to be maybe the mayor of New York.

[Mike Lindell]

I don't know.

[Donald Trump]

Maybe, you know, polls are wrong, but these polls seem to be pretty consistent. But he would be. I would say he would be the leader of the party. It's not Schumer. Schumer's shot. He's shot this poor guy. I feel sorry for him. I known him for a long time. But he's. I think he's mentally gone. He's been beat up by young radical lunatics. And I think Chuck Schumer is. He's gonzo. I really do. I think he's probably not going to run. It shows that he's losing in every poll. Now. This is hard. You know, he wants to meet with me. Sort of hard to be with a guy after I make a statement like that. But I'm just giving the facts. I think Chuck is probably finished. I know some people, Democrats, that would be good. Some good politicians and some, you know, know reasonable people. But I understand that they would not have a chance of, you know, getting even. The concept of holding the torch, they're not going to get it. But they have some people that I really believe. They're low IQ people. They're stupid people, and they seem to be leading the party. So we'll see what happens. Look, the Republicans are strong. We have great leadership. We're very strong in every way, and we're going to keep it that way. But we are really a strong party. You know, our party has grown magnificently. We've gotten away. Look at all the union votes I got. Nobody thought that was ever possible. Look at the election where I won popular. I won everything. I won all seven swing states. If you win three or four swing states, you're doing great. I won all seven by a lot. And I think the best thing, when you look at districts, 2,700 versus 525, that's big. That's why the map shows all red. So we wanted a tremendous landslide. And that's because people like our policy. I guess they like me, but they like my policies. Strong borders, good education, low taxes. You know, in the great big beautiful bill, we got the biggest tax cut in history. Not only no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, no tax on overtime. We got the biggest tax cut in the history of our country in the bill that we just approved. And I think people see that and they like it, and that's why we're doing well. But they are not. They do not have leadership. Thank you very much, everybody. Thank you Very much. Great, great question.

[Steve Bannon]

President dropping a couple of bombs there, talking about Mondami, talking about so much of the activity going on. Also just telling the Democrats, hey, if you, if you open the vote to open the government, you come on, open the government, then I can sit down, have a discussion with you on other topics. I think this is absolutely. We're winning this shutdown. Why would we possibly, why would we possibly fold now? This is all about illegal alien health care. American people can't afford that. American people don't support that. So you got the Democrats walked into this. Don't get them off the hook. When the media is talking about. When the media is talking about, oh, they ought to compromise and got to be some discussions and got to be coming. No, the reason the media is doing that is they're partners in crime and they realize the Democrats are getting hammered for this. The Democrats shut this down because of a trillion dollars. They want to spend over a number of years on illegal alien health care. And don't let them say, well, it's outlawed. That's not true. It is true. The illegal aliens, because they have to go to the emergency rooms, this is what pays for it. There should be no compromise on this whatsoever. We don't need to talk to any of the Democrats about anything. Everything they have is so radical. It's nothing to talk about. This is the way you play smash mouth. It's now time to break these folks because they're not getting less radical, they're getting more radical. And President Trump said it right there. Mandami is the new face of the Democratic Party and let him live with it. Marxist jihadist. And I don't know how this percentage of young Jewish kids or young Jewish people are voting for a Mandami in New York City. That shows me that the education system there ought to be shut down. President Trump, he has a whole lot of power when it comes to New York City. Don't think he's going to go along with this. If you vote for it, assume that your life's going to change. And we don't care if you hate Trump because it doesn't matter. We don't need New York. We won three times without New York. Yes, I said it. 2020. Also, we won three times without New York and Trump's going to win a fourth time without New York. So we love all the MAGA folks there. But New York City, Manhattan, hey, drop dead. You're about to elect a Marxist jihadist who hates America. We have no earthy idea who this guy is he's been a citizen for six years. Have no idea where the money comes from. Qatar, the mom, the dad. Shady, shady, shady characters. Of course they hate Americans. They hate American citizens. He's obviously very anti white. He's the whole package. He's Sadiq Khan on testosterone. He will turn New York City into London. And for all the guys that talked all the big smack early on about oh we're going to do this and do that and defeat him. You guys look like you look like morons right now and you still got Curtis Lee in the, in the picture and people tweeting out that isn't this a great in Curtis Graves? No. Curtis Lewis is one of the problems that ego narcissist. He's never going to be the mayor of New York. He's never come close to being the mayor of New York. In fact, I don't even know what. Nobody even can explain to me what the Guardian angels are. And yet this is one of the guys. And Adams didn't get out quick enough and people didn't come around enough. Now we got, we have a cold open that's epic and monumental. Let's go ahead and play that and we're going to bring the show in and we're going to go from there.

[Katie]

Corporate funding bill for the furloughed employees.

[John Bresnahan]

It's not going to pass, Katie. Most likely that's Ron, Ron Johnson of Wisconsin's bill, a bill that he's introduced in past shutdowns which would pay for effectively pay for federal employees who are otherwise furloughed. I don't think that's going to pass. We just reported, John Bresnahan just reported he that Chris Van Hollen who represents Maryland, a huge, obviously a huge hub, huge bastion of federal workers is going to put out his own bill that does something similar which to me signals that the under that the Ron Johnson bill is not going to pass. Democratic Democrats rather complaint is that the, the Ron John bill provides a slush fund of sorts and the president can decide who he wants to pay and who he doesn't want to pay. Now I personally do question whether there is some risk in opposing that bill obviously because as your previous guests suggested, like this is a real life thing where people who are going to work every day are not getting paid and they're not going to go to work. And Katie, as you and I know the, the aviation infrastructure in this country is, is, you know, not great. And if, yeah and if the, if air traffic controllers are calling out in cities like Charlotte Chicago, Atlanta, D.C. new York, big cities with big hub airports, we're going to have problems. And especially approaching the Thanksgiving season, I.

[Donald Trump]

Will say this, that we have Darth Vader. You know Darth Vader, right? Darth Vader is a man who, I think he's sitting right. Is that Darth, Stand up, please. Darth Vader, stand up. Does everybody know this is. They call him Darth Vader. I call him a fine man, but he's cutting Democrat priorities and they're never going to get him back. And they've caused us and they've really allowed us to do it. And by the way, thank you. You're doing a great job, I have to tell you. So really a great job. Because many of the things that they're cutting, like the New York project, $20 billion, we're cutting it, they're not going to get it back. I mean, they're not going to get a lot of things back. They may not get it back. Maybe we'll talk to them about it. But they're losing the things that they wanted. But many of the things that they wanted are things that we don't want, the things that are just so bad for our country. And we're cutting those things out.

[Katie]

Government shut down the three week mark and lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are getting the same message from their voters. Stay the course. But not all of them. Now a group of vulnerable House Republicans is getting a bit itchy, calling on Speaker Mike Johnson to, quote, immediately turn the focus to health care affordability.

[Capitol Hill Reporter]

I mean, these are some of those moderate and or battleground district Republicans who quite frankly admit in this new letter that they just sent to Speaker Mike Johnson that, that quite frankly they need to get something done on this. That yes, while they say it is not their, quote, responsibility that we are in this situation, they have the opportunity to fix it. And quite frankly, they seem to see the writing on the wall, which Democrats have been really hitting Republicans on for quite some time, that if these premiums start to skyrocket, which is what we're expecting them to do in the next couple of weeks as people get those notices in the mail. And also, of course, the Marketplace opens on November 1, there could be some backlash. And one of the things that Democrats quietly have said since the beginning of this shutdown fight is at the very least changing the national conversation to really hone in on health care could be a winning message for them because Democrats traditionally poll very well in that arena. Meanwhile, here on Capitol Hill, the push and pull quite frankly, continues where both sides are not really talking to each other, they're talking to themselves. And some of the top Republicans in the Senate are very much laying the line in the sand, which is echoed by these battleground Republicans basically saying, we're not going to do anything, though, until the government reopens.

[Donald Trump]

Today, I'm calling on every Senate Democrat to stop the madness, to let our country get back in the greatest moment in the history of our country in terms of wealth, in terms of job creation, and in terms of investment coming in. These guys go on strike. It's really a shame. So I'm asking them to be smart. It's not working. They're getting killed in the polls. The public understands what they're doing. They're doing the wrong thing. This is the fourth week of the.

[Steve Bannon]

Democrat shutdown, but we are all here today because your Republican team in the Senate is unified.

[Donald Trump]

We are. This is now the longest full shutdown in history.

[Steve Bannon]

But everybody here has voted now 11 different times to open up the government.

[Donald Trump]

And we are going to keep voting.

[Steve Bannon]

To open up the government. And eventually the Democrats, hopefully, sooner or later are going to come around with.

[Donald Trump]

All of the elements in the great big, beautiful bill. I'll tell you, it's amazing what we've done. $200 billion in costs for medical, what we've done $50 billion for rural hospitals. And remember, no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, no tax on. Think of, think of all of these things that we've done. This is the biggest. This is the greatest bill. Social Security, no tax on overtime, but no tax on tips. I got that from a waitress in Nevada. I was making a speech, and I'm at one of my restaurants in the hotel I own there, and I say, how are you doing? Well, sir, it's terrible. They're taxing my tips. They're going, I didn't even. I wouldn't have even thought that. And I looked at it, and she said to me, sir, there should be no tax on tips. I said, say it one time more. No tax on tips. I walked outside to the press. I said, there will be no tax on tips. She was right. And we won that state by a lot. That's not a state that we win by that much, David, but we won it by a lot. So it was pretty good that China is building right now 52 power stations. But I did something better. I'm letting everybody build their own power plant so they'll become like an electric utility in addition to AI. But if they want to build Their own plant and we get their approvals within less than a month. It used to take five years prior to rejection. Sometimes a guy in Louisiana, they had one, it took 12 years and then they got rejected. I got it approved in two weeks when I got into office. That was the first term.

[Capitol Hill Reporter]

Amazon, which is reportedly on the verge of a seismic workplace shift. The New York Times reports that executives at the online online retail giant believe the company aims to replace more than half a million jobs with robots. The company expects to avoid hiring more than 160,000 the US that would otherwise need by 2027. In all, executives think the automation would allow the company to avoid hiring sales. 600,000 new employees doesn't seem good. Amazon said in a statement that the documents viewed by the paper were incomplete and did not represent the company's overall hiring strategy.

[Steve Bannon]

Stay tuned.

[Vice President]

This peace deal was struck under the President's leadership literally a week ago. The hostages were turned, what, six days ago, five days ago. So we're in the phase now where we're actually starting to conceptualize what that international security force would look like. I think it's important for Americans to know a couple of things. Number one, there are not going to be American boots on the ground in Gaza. The President, United States has made that very clear. All of our military leadership has made that very clear. What we can do is provide some useful coordination. How do you take, you know, the Gulf Arab states plus Israel, plus, you know, plus the Turks plus the Indonesians. How do you actually get those folks to work together in a way that actually produces long term peace? The only real mediators are the United States, States of America. And so that's the role that we're going to play. I think the American people should be proud of it, but they should know that there are going to be no American boots on the ground in Gaza.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, duly note that the Vice President is over there with Jared. They kind of broke down today. And by the way, I think they're funneling in some British officers to kind of work and coordinate with the Turks. But my understanding is they had a very blunt discussion with certain members of the Israeli high command and saying, hey, we're going to have to work this thing. It's going to be a little choppy, but we got to stop strafing and bombing that. The President of the United States has deemed this deal is going to work. I think Qatar and Turkey are also in these conversations. No American boots on the ground. A commitment by the President of the United States. Fantastic. President also sitting there talking about. There's nothing to debate when these guys vote to open the government in any which way they do it, you can do it. But I don't see what the what the necessity of getting in there, negotiating. Who cares about Mike Lawler? The whole thing's going to change after Mandani anyway. So I don't hear all the bleeding of, of, you know, guys like Lawler all the time, oh, I'm in the swing district or dude working harder. Get more Trump, get more maga. One of the reasons that you barely win, you're not maga. Folks up there want you to be maga. Embrace it. Embrace your destiny. Short commercial break Back in a moment. I want to tell you about a new offer from our sponsor, Birch Veterans Day Free Silver. Buy gold and get free silver. That's right. For every $5,000 purchased from Birch Gold Group this month in advance of Veterans Day, they will send you a free patriotic silver round that commemorates the Gadsden and American flags. Look, gold is up over 40% since the beginning of this year and Birch Gold can help you own it by converting an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA in physical gold. Plus, they'll send you free silver honoring our veterans on qualifying purchases. If you're current or former military, Birchgold has a special offer just for you, waiving custodial fees for the first year on investments of any amount of with an A rating. With the Better Business Bureau and tens of thousands of happy customers, many of which are my listeners, I encourage you to diversify your savings into gold. Text my name, Bannon B A N n Owen to number 989898 for a free info kit and to claim your eligibility for free silver with qualifying purchase before the end of the month. Again, text my name, Bannon to 9,898. You will get the ultimate guide which is free for investing in gold and precious metals in the age of Trump. Do it today. You know, I didn't know this until the the guys at Field of Greens, the doctors and the experts told me about it and then gave me information was fascinating. We have two ages, our actual age and our body's internal biological age. Additionally, what I didn't know is I've likely lowered my biological age without even knowing it. Here's the thing. Because Americans eat so many processed and ultra processed foods and not enough fruits and vegetables, many, perhaps most, are 10 years older on the inside than their actual their actual age. They're ticking time bombs. A major university study suggests how to Slow aging and diffuse that biological time bomb. Participants slowed their aging by drinking field of greens. That's all. They didn't change their eating, drinking or exercise, just Field of greens. I feel great knowing field of Greens can slow how quickly I'm aging. And I encourage you to join me. Swap your untested fruit, vegetable or green drink for field of greens while there's time. Check out the university study. I want you all to read it and get 20% off when you use promo code [e-mail] that's FieldofGreens.com promo code Bannon. Read the university study. Find out how you can slow down your internal biological clock by using this amazing formula which you just add to your favorite drink. Art of Water, what you do at the Worm every day. And in addition, you will get an energy boost. That's fieldofgreens.com promo code, Ben. And you get 20% off. Do it today.

[Katie]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Donald Trump]

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[Katie]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Donald Trump]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Donald Trump]

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[Katie]

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[Steve Bannon]

Okay, Joe Allen is going to join me in the next hour. We're going to talk about AI of course, today announced and this was not announced, I should say differently. The New York Times found an internal report to Amazon, one of our favorite companies. So for all working class people out there, understand they're all trying to screw you. Okay? That's their business model is to screw particularly young people coming up under 35, all these guys that you adore, you know, all the bro Ligarcs, their whole business model is to screw you and to make sure you're nothing. But you continue to be a Russian serf. What does that mean? You don't own anything and you ain't going to own anything. You're on work as a basically a salaried slave, indentured servant. Let's say that 600,000 folks, they're not going to hire over the next couple of years because guess what they're going to do? They're going to Purchase artificial intelligence, connected robots that make you feel good. You feeling good now. This is why we need to take a stand on artificial intelligence and we do here in the war room. Joe Allen is going to spend the entire hour. Joe's been throughout the country for the last hundred days discussing this, talking to this meeting people. And he's our editor for all things transhumanism will join me also. I'll be breaking down tomorrow morning much more of what's going on in this Middle east situation. It stinks to high heaven. Here's what stinks. We need Ratcliffe, the Central Intelligence, the CIA director to come forward. We need to know exactly what intelligence he gave the President of the United States on this Persian fiasco. Also, we need to hear from him about October 7th. You know, people point the finger at Mossad and point the finger at Shin Bet. And by the way, there's an incredible book out there called While Israel Slept by a couple authors. One of those, at least one of them we got committed for. I think the 30th of October is going to join us in the war room. He'll be live in Israel. To walk through this book is a jaw dropper. If you want to find out at least the first cut of what went on. And I'm not saying it's gospel truth, but it's pretty revealing and pretty shocking. Go get While Israel Slept. Go check it out. I've got tonight at 10 o' clock, the frontline guys, which do these great documentaries about current events and politics, et cetera. And I think the best, biggest one, Michael Hicks, this director who we've worked with a couple of times, if you like, that Trump, the Trump and the power was a rule of law, the rule of law. I think Hicks was involved with that. Also Bannon's war tonight at 10 o' clock on PBS, your favorite channel. The rise of Bobby Kennedy, it looks like. Extraordinary. Let's play the trailer and then I'm gonna bring in. They had one of these roundtables today. Claire Dooley put on in the Children's Health Defense, folks. And I've got James Lyon Wallace going to join us here in a moment. Let's go and play the trailer.

[Katie]

His goal will be to make America healthy again.

[Donald Trump]

Senator Kennedy has been shot.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

This is an inesc trauma.

[Katie]

He's pushing back against people who've told him he's fraud. They're not playing by the rules. They're not using gold standard science. He's the most famous Kennedy in America right now.

[Steve Bannon]

10:00Pm tonight, the Secretary of Health, Human Services, HHS Health and Human Services will be profiled in this. Don't miss it. Tonight it's free. James Lyon Lyons Wyler. That's the most WASPy name I've ever had on the show in five years. Are you like from the Mayflower?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Yeah. No, I mean, listen, we all come from various pedigrees, but, well, that's pure wasp. Yeah, I grew up in upstate New York. All I know is small town country.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, okay, okay, that's cool. I like the arc of the family. You're a researcher. You're very concerned about. You used to be at the big universities. You're very concerned about the weaponization of science. What? You gave a talk today. You were in this. You were at the roundtable. We love these roundtables. We're particularly interested in you today. What do you mean, weaponization of science?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Well, the American public is beginning to hear from Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy, a lot about what has been going on over the years behind closed doors in the area of science. First of all, I want to demarcate between science and fraud, right? So if I'm a scientist and I have to answer to a pharmaceutical company because they pay my bills or they gave me an endowed charity university, I'm going to do everything that I can do to make sure that, that pharmaceuticals products look as good as they possibly can if I'm doing that science. Otherwise I'm going to lose my chair. And if, if I lose my chair, that whole system selects for people that are willing to sell out. So we end up with a bias.

[Steve Bannon]

Hold on, hold on, hang on, hang on.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Yeah.

[Steve Bannon]

You're telling me that everybody that takes a chair funded by the pharma, you know, sponsored by Pfizer, is by definition, by your definition, a sellout?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Well, I'm saying that the system selects for that. I don't know how far that selection has gone completely, but I know for a fact that if there's a narrative that the former CDC or NIAID with Anthony Fauci had to have for public health. If you're at a university and you actually went against the grain, your university got a call and all of your NIH funding was threatened over, let's say, HPV vaccine safety or MMR vaccine safety, so this kind of shakedown.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on a second. I'm to take it that all the reports that have come out of these universities on topics like that, where I can go back and see that big Pharma somehow either endowed a chair or gave money for research that they're all suspect.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Well, I think that's the nature.

[Steve Bannon]

You don't call that fraud, you call that weaponized science?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

No, I think it's. There's a bit that's a mix. That's the thing. There's a mix. There's a mix of fraud in weaponized science and then the use of science in a way that is just fooling the public. Right. So I'm a scientist. I defend science in the public interest.

[Steve Bannon]

Can you give me a specific example of either fraud or weaponization in this regard?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Yeah, absolutely. So when the CDC whistleblower, who I'm sure you've heard about, William Thompson, came out. Yes. He told Brian Hooker that study that was published in 2004 by Frank DeStefano and a lot of people at the CDC actually buried data so the Institutes of Medicine could look at it, that the MMR vaccine did indeed seem to contribute to an increased risk of autism in African American boys. And they manipulated the study by dropping everybody from the study that didn't have a Georgia birth certificate just to reduce the sample size, which is the number of people in the study, so the statistics couldn't pick it up. And that's fraud. So the demarcation between science and fraud is something that's been going on for decades, over 100 years.

[Steve Bannon]

You mentioned the Institute of Medicine. Correct me if I'm wrong, the Institute of Medicine is one of the most corrupt institutions in the entire federal government. That's saying something. Isn't the Institute of Medicine the group that said that Agent Orange could actually be eaten and try to prove it? And for 10 years, the whole Agent Orange thing started with this Institute of Medicine that has got a track record of being not just for sale, but beyond corrupt.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

I couldn't believe it when I looked into the authors of this one study I talked about in mmr. It's the same people that did the study on Agent Orange to a person. So our government. Stop.

[Steve Bannon]

You mean the same guys that did the Agent Orange is the same one that did this.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Colleen Boyle, Frank DeStefano, others. They were absolutely hired to go to work at CDC because they knew how to fix the science, the data, the fraud.

[Donald Trump]

So who.

[Steve Bannon]

How many years ago was this?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Well, Agent Orange obviously came about after the guys came back 70s and the 80s, and started developing cancers and so on. But Your exam is 2004, so the science would have been done 2002, 2003.

[Steve Bannon]

Can we go back? I mean, why are there not. Why is there not some investigation? Why are criminal charges not Brought against this?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Well, that's a good question. I think that we're going to probably see some prosecutions on the basis of defrauding the federal government. If I'm funded by the federal government to do science, to do research, and I falsify the data, I can be fined personally and I can be banned from doing research for 10 years. So I think that there's some, some recourse we can do. Kennedy's still, you know, catching his. Catching his stride here. Right. But I'll tell you, there are journals that have retracted good studies and that's another aspect of weaponization. They retracted good studies to destroy studies that show that there's problem with vaccines and other drugs. And the Attorney General's office has been handed a list by Secretary Kennedy of those journals that are helping to falsify the record.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on. In fact, we're going to have Brian Hooker on tomorrow. Going to try to have Brian Hooker on tomorrow. So follow up to you. Let me get this right, because I think you're breaking news here. Has this been out?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

This is news. Okay, well, it's news. So. So the, the guy that I heard it from is actually the former office. He's the office of the pardon attorney now. Ed.

[Steve Bannon]

Ed Martin.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Ed Martin. He was at the association for. Sorry, the association of Physicians and Surgeons meeting last month. I was there, yes. And he made an announcement that Mr. Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy gave him a list of 28 studies with the journals and layperson summaries that actually they were wrongfully retracted and that those journals have been put on notice by the Attorney General's office. And I was asked by Secretary Kennedy to put that list together for him.

[Steve Bannon]

And so. And that list is compiled of what again?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Journals. Scientific journals that publish research studies that pulled studies wrongfully and destroyed science to hide any problems with vaccines or other drugs.

[Steve Bannon]

But isn't this beyond. Because people were damaged by this, Isn't this beyond a civil issue that who's going to get paid?

[Donald Trump]

Not.

[Steve Bannon]

Isn't that like criminal intent?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Yeah, I hope so. So it's criminal intent in a number of ways. Who sent them the check? Was it the drug companies of the vaccine manufacturers? Was it the government who told them to bias. So there's collusion. Right? There's that. But beyond that, then we also have the fact that again, these journals, many of them, are contracted by the US Government to publish science in the public interest. And if they're defrauding the government on that contract, then there's a problem. But no, you're right. I think there's some criminal activity.

[Steve Bannon]

Is Secretary Kennedy going to come up and make this as big a deal as it looks like it is? Because what you're saying. And I think our audience and other people fall into this. You see a guy like Fauci, and we helped sell the book, you know, the Hidden Tony Fauci or whatever. And I think we sold 750,000 copies that did. 750. The thing sold over a million and a half. The book's a blockbuster. And it's like the phone book. I mean, it's totally. It's not accessible. It's just document after document, and people couldn't get enough of it. But the mistake I think we've made is that people identify Fauci as like Dr. Evil. The reality is the system itself drives this. So you do have. Good men and women are copying it, but because of careerism, they go along. It's kind of like the SS in World War II to go along, to get along. And you've got crimes all over the place.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of people from the deep state that are still there that are pushing against initiatives from Secretary Kennedy. And it's a. It's a serious problem.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, hang on a second. You got your tinfoil hat. What do you mean, deep state? Talk to me about. I thought deep state was at the CIA, dni, Pentagon, Justice Department. When you say deep state and medicine, tell our audience, what institutions are you talking about? There are the deep state.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

I'm talking about hhs. There's regulatory capture at hhs, where people are promised a job. You just saw Peter Marks take a job at a big pharmaceutical company. He was the head of cber. Fda. That's hhs. You saw Julie Gerberding many years ago take a job at Monsanto. These guys with the revolving door, they'll. They actually go get jobs at the companies that they were regulating just two months ago, and it's their golden parachute that needs to stop. So, yeah, no, the deep state to me means what you just said. Careers and people that are survivors that hold on to their job by doing whatever is necessary to enforce whatever narrative they're told to enforce by the people that are keeping them there.

[Steve Bannon]

Give me quick regulatory capture. Define that for our audience.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Regulatory capture is where agencies in the government actually make policy that reflects the interest of companies, corporations, that they should be regulated. They should be regulating them, but they're actually potentially against the public's interest and against public health. Regulatory capture is one of the biggest threats to public health in the United States.

[Steve Bannon]

The when you say how big a problem is this to actually go in and get the Justice Department to start cleaning house over there? How big a deal?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Well, most of the people I think that are on the list of people that falsified science around vaccines are probably already out or on the way out. So, you know, fixing the problem really is Robert F. Kennedy Jr's job. Secretary Kennedy's making appointments now, new appointments at CDC short commercial break Back in a moment.

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[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

That's correct.

[Steve Bannon]

And what's your doctorate in?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Yeah, I'm a PhD in ecology and evolutionary biology, but I've been doing biomedical research since 2000.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay. And you have another scoop for me.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

I do. So we were talking about fraud and science and vaccines.

[Steve Bannon]

In fact, you have a website. What's the web? I want everybody to go to the website. Grayson Moore pushed it out. What's the website?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Popular Rationalism on substack.

[Steve Bannon]

Popular Rationalism?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Yes, sir.

[Steve Bannon]

I think I've been to that site before and that. And you have in there the fraud and all the reports you've been doing?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Yeah. You're going to find stuff there. You can also check out the Maha report published there.

[Donald Trump]

I've seen.

[Steve Bannon]

I've gone to popular Rationalism before. What's your scoop?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Well, the scope is that when the CDC decided to study vaccines and pregnancy, they hired a guy named Tom Shimabukuro. Tom Shimabukuro among our community, is known as CDC's Fixer because he makes problems go away. And he actually had data that he did not show to the right.

[Steve Bannon]

Put up something in advance so we don't get sued by.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

No, I hope so.

[Steve Bannon]

It's him.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

I hope so. This is on me. It's on you. He actually. We have people drawing up affidavits that he showed a 4,250% increase in fetal demise during vaccination during pregnancy with influenza. He was the same guy that he went to. They went to for rsv. The same guy that he went. During pregnancy. The same guy that they went to for Covid vaccines.

[Steve Bannon]

You're saying that's not a random choice, right?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Oh, hell no.

[Steve Bannon]

When he would just be considered the pro in the space. That's why I keep going back to him.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Yeah, exactly.

[Steve Bannon]

So, well, why is that a problem if he's not a problem for them.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

But it's a problem for all the women who lost their. Was their children during pregnancy.

[Steve Bannon]

You're saying his research is demonstrably wrong?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

His research is. The research is wrong that he didn't show the results. If you do science, you have to show all your work. I mean, this is basic.

[Steve Bannon]

And he hid the results.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

He absolutely hid the results.

[Steve Bannon]

And how did he hide the results?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

He hid the results by not presenting it to the committees on vaccine safety. But the parents called him out the first time, and he pulled out a CD and he showed them the slide. And we have a copy of those data.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, why. Why is that? Why is Ed Marty not pursuing that? That seems to me pretty catastrophic. Why are we not pursuing this?

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

I didn't say we weren't.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, good. That's a scoop. How do people get to. You you got the sub stack on rational the pot was it the popular.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Popular [e-mail] and if you want to take hang out with me go to ipak-edu.org we have some fantastic courses there.

[Steve Bannon]

You can but. But you've also got the weaponization of science flaws and fraud in research.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

Yeah, go to the MAHA Institute us for that.

[Steve Bannon]

MAHA Institute. Okay fine doc, stick around. We're going to be finished in a second. But thank you for coming in. It's great at the spur of the moment and we're going to be doing all the streaming of this. Dr. Brian Hooker will join us tomorrow on a similar topic. Let's go to Mike Lindell. Mike Lindell. Another day. The FBI has not put you in another prison. So are you going to sell me a sheet or a pillow to pay for all this?

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[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, brother. Why is the Attorney General of the state of Minnesota trying to shut down your network of. To make sure that people can get away from addiction. Drug addiction, sex addiction, all addictions. That's based on Christian principles. Why are they. Why is he targeting you, sir?

[Mike Lindell]

Well, he's. He's. I would call him a radical Muslim. The. I mean, he hates. I believe he hates our country is. You know, you have Elon Omar over there too. And I think all the tax on me. They don't want people getting off addiction and becoming Christians or giving their life to Jesus Christ. They also could be. He could also be a little upset that I'm considering running for governor of Minnesota. I mean, they attacked, turned up, then.

[Steve Bannon]

All of a sudden, you don't hold it. That's a scoop. You're considering doing what?

[Mike Lindell]

Running for governor of Minnesota against Tim Walt.

[Steve Bannon]

Is this actually. Am I. Am I breaking news here on the. It's too much news. We're breaking today in the world. Is this true?

[Mike Lindell]

Well, absolutely.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, I'll take over his interim se. I'll take. I'll take over as interim CEO of my pillow. And then we'll put everything up with a war room promo code. How's that? Just kidding, M. We'll see.

[Dr. James Lyons Wyler]

We'll see.

[Steve Bannon]

For right now, just go back and sell some pillows, okay? We'll talk about the governorship later. Just go back and sell some pillows, some sheets. Let's keep it afloat. Mike Lindell, you're a. You're a patriot and a. An American hero. Every dream you've ever had is in that home of yours. Every dream.

[Mike Lindell]

Right.

[Steve Bannon]

Make sure it does not turn into your worst nightmare. How would that happen? I don't know. Artificial intelligence. Cyber attack. See the cyber attack the other day on. On Amazon World Systems or whatever it is, the biggest in the world to date. Artificial intelligence out of control. You want to talk about that in the next hour? Got rogue accountants, rogue attorneys, rogue members of your family, home title lock, dot com. Promo code. Steve, make sure your title is intact. Nobody can get to it so it does not become a nightmare.

[Donald Trump]

Short break.

[Steve Bannon]

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