Episode 4870: Revolt Of The Luddites

Summary

Bannon’s War Room: Episode 4870

Revolt Of The Luddites
Date: October 22, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Guests: Joe Allen, Max Tegmark (MIT), Senator Josh Hawley, Brandon Weikart, Bradley Thayer

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Overview

This episode centers on the urgent debate over artificial general intelligence (AGI) and the looming threat of artificial superintelligence (ASI). Stephen Bannon leads a spirited panel including MIT’s Max Tegmark, Senator Josh Hawley, AI critic Joe Allen, national security writer Brandon Weikart, and analyst Bradley Thayer. The discussion oscillates between the rapid advancement of AI technology, the ethical and societal implications, industry and political responses, China’s role, and America’s strategic positioning—likening today’s “AI race” to a modern-day Luddite revolt against unchecked technological upheaval.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Danger of Superintelligence and the “Race” Narrative

[00:53–05:19]

• Meta Superintelligence Labs: Bannon introduces Meta Superintelligence Labs and the vision to democratize AI.
• Rapid Progress: Multiple guests warn that superintelligent systems, smarter than any human, could be developed within years—not decades. Tegmark references the “San Francisco consensus” that ASI could arrive within six years.
• Industry Haste vs. Public Will: Tegmark emphasizes that less than 5% of Americans support the rush toward superintelligence, yet a Silicon Valley “fringe” is making the decisions undemocratically.

  “We released a poll today also showing that actually less than 5% of all Americans want to race to superintelligence… Yet we have these fringe people in Silicon Valley… shoving it down our throats undemocratically.” – Max Tegmark [03:07]

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2. Exposing Tech Oligarchs’ Real Intentions

[05:19–09:18]

• Transhumanist Agenda: Tegmark and Allen argue tech elites want not just tools but a “digital god”—even entertaining merging humans with machines.
• Sam Altman’s Vision: Discussion centers on Sam Altman’s “The Merge” blog, which essentially poses two futures: humans become obsolete, or merge with machines.

  “He thinks basically this is the hopeful future… we merge with machines. And where’s the opt-out button? No thanks.” – Max Tegmark [07:42]

• Religious Rejection: Allen notes the broad rejection of this vision across religious groups—and even among atheists, who see a “digital god” as antithetical to long-fought secular progress.

  “One of the reasons you get such a broad rejection… is because Christians see that these are people who are trying to create a digital God in the absence of what they believe.” – Joe Allen [08:38]

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3. Scientists Sound the Alarm—Not “Luddites”

[11:24–12:44]

• Tech Architects Now Critics: The statement released against ungoverned AGI is signed by Jeffrey Hinton and Yoshua Bengio, pioneers of deep learning—likened to an “Oppenheimer moment.”
• Controlling Superintelligence is Impossible: Most scientists, according to Tegmark, believe we don’t know how to control systems far smarter than ourselves and compare pursuing AGI to “inviting technologically superior aliens to Earth.”

  “Many think of it as inviting aliens… technologically superior aliens, to just come to Earth and take over and see what happens, which obviously would count as high treason by any reasonable standards.” – Max Tegmark [11:53]

• Luddite Accusation Refuted: Tegmark mocks critics who call these scientists “Luddites,” paralleling nuclear warnings from Einstein and Oppenheimer.

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4. The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and Technological Arms Race

[13:08–16:22, 24:08–26:42, 41:03–45:22]

• CCP’s Long-Term Plan: Bannon, Thayer, and others stress the CCP’s ambition in AI, robotics, quantum computing, and space.

• Argument for Decoupling: Bannon proposes the US can and must decouple critical tech and finance from China to prevent empowering a repressive regime with AGI.

• China as an Excuse: Tegmark argues tech moguls use the China “arms race” as a pretext for deregulation, but says China would never tolerate a superintelligence beyond CCP control.

  “The last thing [the CCP] are going to tolerate is… some superintelligence that they will lose control over…” – Max Tegmark [25:35]

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5. Breaking Up Big Tech and Space Monopolies

[29:12–39:37]

• SpaceX & National Security: Bannon and Weikart debate the dangers of SpaceX’s near-monopoly over US space launches.

• Calls for Diversification: Both argue for more diverse and competitive access to government contracts to avoid single points of failure and undue influence.

• Ownership/Control Proposals: Bannon goes so far as to suggest the US should own 50% of SpaceX since it’s funded by taxpayer contracts; Weikart pushes back against nationalization but agrees on broader competition.

  “You can’t put your eggs in all one basket. No contractor should ever have 97% of something.” – Steve Bannon [37:29]

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6. The Next Steps for AI Regulation

[20:09–24:08]

• Materializing Vision: Joe Allen notes AGI is moving from vision to tangible reality, citing dramatic gains in multimodal AI models.
• Regulation Framework: Tegmark calls for strong oversight, treating AI companies like pharma, demanding demonstrable safety before deployment.

  “Just treating AI companies like we treat all other companies will already solve this problem.” – Max Tegmark [23:10]

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7. Political Stakes, Shutdown, and National Priorities

[47:53–51:22]

• Veterans vs. Illegals in Budget Debate: Senator Hawley weighs in on the US government shutdown, blaming Democrats for prioritizing benefits for illegal immigrants over veterans and border security.

  “The only reason any of these people are getting paid is because Donald Trump is finding every avenue to try to get paychecks to our folks… It’s the Democrats who would rather shut down the entire government than pay an ICE agent.” – Sen. Josh Hawley [49:55]

• Hawley’s Call To Action: Hawley urges supporters to “draw a line in the sand”: no cuts to ICE, Border Patrol, or veterans’ benefits.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Opening Salvo:

  “This is the primal scream of a dying regime... Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.”
  — Steve Bannon [00:02]

• On Superintelligence:

  “What happens when every single one of us has the equivalent of the smartest human on every problem in our pocket in the next year or two?”
  — Max Tegmark [01:09]

• On Silicon Valley's Ambitions:

  “These atheists are building their digital God that we're all supposed to worship.”
  — Max Tegmark [05:53]

• Sam Altman’s ‘The Merge’ Vision:

  “We will be the first species ever to design our own descendants. My guess is that we can either be the biological bootloader for digital intelligence ... or we can figure out what a successful merge looks like.”
  — Joe Allen, quoting Sam Altman [09:10]

• The Scientist’s Warning:

  “Both of them are having this Oppenheimer moment now where they're like, holy smokes, what have we done?”
  — Max Tegmark, on AI pioneers Hinton & Bengio [11:33]

• On China’s Superintelligence Scenarios:

  “They’re not going to allow anything they can’t control... The last thing the CCP wants is to build a superintelligence that could overthrow them.”
  — Max Tegmark [25:12]

• On SpaceX:

  “No contractor should ever have 97% of something. You have to spread your eggs in the basket.”
  — Steve Bannon [37:37]

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Key Timestamps

• 00:02 – Bannon’s war cry and theme of revolt.
• 01:09 – Max Tegmark on the imminent arrival of superintelligence.
• 03:07 – Tegmark on lack of public support for racing to AGI.
• 07:42 – Tegmark elaborates on Altman’s vision of merging with machines.
• 08:38 – Joe Allen on religious rejection of the “digital god” concept.
• 11:24 – Tegmark on scientist backlash against AGI—Hinton and Bengio’s “Oppenheimer moment.”
• 13:08–16:22 – Bannon and others on China's strategic tech ambitions.
• 24:08 – Bannon challenges the China “arms race” narrative.
• 29:12 – Begin discussion on SpaceX monopoly, nationalization, and competition.
• 37:37 – Bannon: “No contractor should ever have 97%...”
• 41:03 – Thayer on CCP’s ambitions across space, AI, and military.
• 49:55 – Hawley commends Trump’s handling of the shutdown and prioritizing military/law enforcement pay.

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Additional Resources & Follow-ups

• Learn/write/sign statement:
  superintelligence-statement.org – Cited by Max Tegmark for public engagement.
• Joe Allen’s AI coverage:
  X & Getter: @JoeBotXYZ
  Website: JoeBot.XYZ
• Brandon Weikart’s security show:
  X: @WeTheBrandon
  “National Security Hour” – America Out Loud News (iHeartWednesdays)

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Tone and Language

• Bannon: Bombastic, urgent, populist framing (“primal scream of a dying regime”, “going medieval on these people”).
• Tegmark: Scientific, occasionally wry, emphasizing existential risk and policy urgency.
• Allen: Analytical, framing the AI debate within philosophical and religious terms.
• Weikart/Thayer: Strategic/national security language; not shy about assigning intent to rivals or tech moguls.
• Sen. Hawley: Political, combative, aligning with populist critique of establishment and tech.

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Summary

This episode of Bannon’s War Room, “Revolt Of The Luddites,” presents a broad anti-accelerationist front against the unchecked development of superintelligent AI, warning that a small elite are willing to risk humanity’s future for profit and power. The discussion weaves technology, philosophy, national security, and politics into a narrative of populist resistance—drawing parallels to the historical Luddites—while advocating urgent regulation, strategic decoupling from China, and diversification in critical technologies like AI and space.
The conversation is punctuated by skepticism toward Silicon Valley’s motivations, warnings about CCP ambitions, and sharp calls for policymakers to act before it’s too late.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. WAR ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Bannock. Everyone.

[Joe Allen]

I want to talk about our new.

[Steve Bannon]

Effort, Meta Superintelligence Labs and our vision to build personal superintelligence for everyone in the future.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

So now we're starting to look ahead to superintelligence. And even more than before, our focus must be on wide and fair access.

[Max Tegmark]

What happens when every single one of us has the equivalent of the smartest human on every problem in our pocket in the next year or two? This foundation is being locked in and we're not going to stop. It gets much more interesting after that because remember, the computers are now doing self improvement. They're learning how to plan and they don't have to listen to us anymore. We call that super intelligence or asi, Artificial superintelligence. This is the theory that there will be computers that are smarter than the sum of humans. The San Francisco consensus is this occurs within six years.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

I think that we might have AI smarter than any single human at anything as soon as next year and then.

[Steve Bannon]

Probably within 5, like say 20, 30.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Probably an AI is smarter than the sub all humans.

[Steve Bannon]

Joe Allen, you join us. Max Tegmark joins us from mit, the Institute of Life. Max, today, to kind of put this in perspective, we put out a statement that you've been working on and really kind of organizing people behind the scenes to get in front of this because it's clearly spinning out of control.

[Brandon Weikart]

What is.

[Steve Bannon]

Tell me what the statement is. It's in every paper. It's the lead story in many of the papers throughout the world. What are you actually trying to. What does the statement say and what are you trying to accomplish?

[Max Tegmark]

What we're trying to accomplish is for it to become just socially unacceptable to say the kind of stuff that we just heard these tech oligarchs say moments ago here. Yeah, we're going to build super Intelligence, and we have no idea how to control it. And it's going to be so cool. Please invest in us. You know, it's absolutely insane. The statement simply says that it should be. There should be a prohibition against building this stuff, at least until there's a broad scientific consensus that this can be controlled and safe, and also until Americans actually want it. And we released a poll today also showing that actually less than 5% of all Americans want to race to superintelligence. Less than 1 in 20. And yet we have these fringe people in Silicon Valley who are all about transhumanism and merging with machines and stuff, shoving it down our throats undemocratically.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, they're fringe, except they've got all the money. They have stocks. Every, every. Every stock jockey, every stock jobber on Wall Street. You mentioned artificial intelligence. Artificial and general intelligence. They're throwing money at them. They're the ones that have all the platforms. Everybody talks to. You got the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. And maybe anthropic is the one that's got some rationality here, but the rest of them get all the media. And you've got. And you've got David Sachs with the pom poms on, you know, coming in and out of the White House all the time saying how it's all you gotta be. If you're not an accelerationist, you're surrendering to the Chinese Communist Party. I just said in the previous thing, don't tell me about the Chinese Communist Party. I've forgotten more about them than all those guys combined. Except for Elon Musk, who is an agent of influence for the Chinese Communist Party, I might add, and he's sitting there saying it's 20% chance that AGI could destroy mankind. How do you combat. When the system has promoted the fringe and made the fringe look like they're actually the normalized, that they're actually the most radical thinking about a technology that you can't unwind, you can't put the horse back in the barn. You will hit an inflection point in mankind's development that will never be able to be reversed. How do you combat it when the fringe is actually driving it through a combination of greed, avarice, and just outright naked wanting of power. Sir.

[Max Tegmark]

Well, you, Steve, are the expert in this, right? And as you like to say, you got to call out their lies. Because we, the American people, at least 95% of us, want to stop this madness. And the first lie is this very sneaky sleight of hand where people Say, yeah, look, don't you want tools that can cure cancer? Don't you want productivity tools? Don't you want America to be strong and economically dominant with AI tools? And everybody goes like, yes, yes, yes. And then there's the fine print that they're not going to give you just tools. They also want to give you this transhumanist craziness where you're supposed to merge with the machines and we're supposed to build. These atheists are building their digital God that we're all supposed to worship. Their comms teams have told them not to talk about that so loudly. But if you go back, I was just going back and reading a blog post before, before the show here by Sam Altman that he wrote before his comms team told him to tone it down. And he was writing about how he thinks there are only two options for humanity after he builds superintelligence. One is we fade into an evolutionary tree branch. That's his quote. Or he thinks, which is what he thinks is the better option, we merge with the machines. This is my two year old son. Who is he to tell my son that he needs to go merge with machines? What's that got to do with American values and American democracy? You know, in short, there are many threats to America. And you talked a lot now about, you've taught, you've talked a lot, for example, about geopolitical threats. But there is a huge threat coming from San Francisco as well and we can't ignore that. And in fact, they try to use the make us only focus on external threats so we shouldn't pay attention to them.

[Steve Bannon]

I want to make sure people understand that their real thinking and what they're talking about behind the scenes, because they have toned it down. Their PR experts have said, hey, you've got to tone this down or you're going to heighten people's awareness of this. Give me that again. What Altman wrote particularly about, we either fade into an evolutionary tree branch or we merge. Give me that again one more time. Because that's his real thinking.

[Max Tegmark]

Yeah, you can just Google it, search for Altman, the merge and it comes right up. And he thinks basically this is the, this is the hopeful future. He sees that we merge with machines and where's the opt out button? No thanks. And you know, many people were shocked that this statement today got such incredibly broad support from all across the political spectrum. And what those who were surprised by that didn't realize that it's obvious why. Because all of these people across the spectrum are Humans and they want the human future where machines are tools and work for us. They don't want to merge with machines and they certainly don't want their kids to merge with machines. They want these companies, Joe Allen, to be held accountable for their transhumanist craziness.

[Joe Allen]

This Max, the agenda to create general and then super intelligence. One of the reasons you get such a broad rejection of the idea, let alone the investment and the resources poured into it, is because Christians see that these are people who are trying to create a digital God in the absence of what they believe. They believe that there is no God, therefore it must be created. Christians, of course, are going to reject that. Religious people across the board are going to reject that.

[Steve Bannon]

But I don't know, I think we get, I think we get a couple, three Hindus, Muslim. I think anybody of a religious bent is going to, is going to reject that.

[Joe Allen]

Yeah, but that's the, another counterintuitive angle on that though. Even atheists, dogged atheists are against it mainly, you know, they see the struggle for removing religion as a centuries long process. To create a digital God would just undo all of that. So there's really only one small subset of people who benefit from the creation of general or superintelligence that's going to be the tech oligarchs. As I've said many times, if anyone says they are going to bring about a radical change in your life, you, you have to ask for whose benefit. And you know, the Altman statement, you know, Max and I were texting about this earlier and the full statement is worth pondering. This is Sam Altman in his blog post, the Merge. We will be the first species ever to design our own descendants. My guess is that we can either be the biological bootloader for digital intelligence, meaning that humans are useless afterwards, and then fade into an evolutionary tree, branch, branch. Or we can figure out what a successful merge looks like. And it's worth noting that Altman about two months ago began investing in a brain computer interface company for implanted brain chips, of course called the Merge.

[Steve Bannon]

So Max, to follow on from this, on what Altman really thinks and what these oligarchs really think, the statement is broken down into two pieces. One is the scientific community and technology community. The other is the American people. The first one. A lot of the American people are going to sit there, well, hey Max, aren't the scientists and the technologists, aren't they already on board with the oligarchs and working on various parts of this project that they've They've bought in. So what do you mean a consensus among the scientists? Isn't your first block already checked off in their corner, sir?

[Max Tegmark]

That's also a misconception that tech companies love to perpetuate. The first two signatories on the letter saying no to this nonsense are actually the two most cited scientists in the world. They're like Einstein and the Oppenheimer of our time. All categories. It's Jeff Hinton and Joshua Bengio who really helped pioneer this technology. And both of them are having this Oppenheimer moment now where they're like, holy smokes, what have we done? This is. This is crazy. No. The vast majority of scientists believe that we have no clue how we would control something much smarter than us. And many think of it as basically inviting aliens, technologically superior aliens, to just come to Earth and take over and see what happens, which obviously would count as high treason by any reasonable standards.

[Steve Bannon]

What about the argument that, hey, you guys are just a various assortment of Luddites. And like the Luddites, you're standing in the way of just the natural evolution of scientific and technological progress. And like the Luddites, you will be kicked into the dustbin of history, sir.

[Max Tegmark]

Yeah, absolutely. Calling Jeff Hinton and Joshua Bengio Luddites makes just as much sense as calling Einstein and Oppenheimer Luddites. You know, what did they know about physics? Right? They said that nuclear weapons can be bad for your health. What do they know? We who call them Luddites? We know so much better.

[Steve Bannon]

Perfect. Hang on for one second. I'm gonna hold you through the break. Joe Allen's gonna be here. Also, Dr. Thayer, an expert in the Chinese Communist Party and their advances in technology. Just remember how the CCP thinks downrange back. And I think it was 2014 or 15, they put up made in China, 2025. They don't talk about that anymore because they realize it started getting bad, bad press, particularly led by the show. What were the 10 industries they wanted to dominate? They made a whole of government, whole of society to dominate. The first was artificial intelligence and artificial general intelligence. The second was robotics and regenerative robotics. The third was advanced chip design. The fourth was quantum computing. And then you had then to throw in the fifth. You had CRISPR and biotechnology. The merger of those folks, as we've talked in the show many, many times, is the singularity. So when Xi and Putin are wandering around and they get the off camera, you know, microphone, which never happens in the ccp, and they're talking about living forever. And right now they can what, they can push a buck 25. There's some very dangerous things going on right behind the curtain. And you've got to understand the oligarchs thinking this is about avarice, this is about greed, this is about power, nothing else. Not for the good of the country, not some altruistic and it's certainly not a fight against the Chinese Communist Party. They're using that as a as a Damocles sword over our head, right? These guys are all in business with the Chinese Communist Party. Short commercial break MAX tegmark, A monumental day with the fight against artificial general intelligence. Next in the world. I want to tell you about a new offer from our sponsor, Birch Veterans Day. Free Silver. Buy Gold and get Free Silver. That's right. For every $5,000 purchased from Birch Gold Group this month in advance of Veterans Day, they will send you a free patriotic silver round that commemorates the the Gadsden and American flags. Look, gold is up over 40% since the beginning of this year and Birch Gold can help you own it by converting an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA in physical gold. Plus, they'll send you free silver Honoring our veterans on qualifying purchases. If you're current or former military, Birchgold has a special offer just for you, waiving custodial fees for the first year on investments of any amount of with an A rating. With the Better Business Bureau and tens of thousands of happy customers, many of which are my listeners, I encourage you to diversify your savings into gold. Text my name, Bannon B A N N Owen to number 989898 for a free info kit and to claim your eligibility for Free Silver with qualifying purchase before the end of the month. Again, text my name, Bannon to 9,898. You will get the Ultimate Guide, which is free for investing in gold and precious metals in the age of Trump. Do it today.

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[Joe Allen]

Yeah. One of the biggest criticisms going towards the push to ban superintelligence is it doesn't exist, it's just a dream. Same with artificial general intelligence. Most people conceive of superintelligence as being the next step after general intelligence. General intelligence being able to understand its own system and to rewrite its own code until you hit an intelligence explosion. I just want to turn the audience's attention to a recent paper put out by Dan Hendricks et al, at the center for AI Safety on a definition of artificial general intelligence. Without going into the maze of linguistic traps around general intelligence, just basically what we're talking about is instead of having a narrow AI, like Chat GPT or like Clearview AI, facial recognition or whatever, you're talking about a system that is flexible, able to go across domains. Again, people are like, well, that doesn't exist. Why is that a problem? Why should you mobilize any political will to mitigate that or superintelligence if they're just dreams? What the center for AI Safety and other companies like that do, Organizations like that, they evaluate these systems systematically to see what their capabilities actually are. And what they found with GPT, for instance, GPT 5 versus 4. Even if it wasn't the huge media splash and sensation that people would have thought, it would be the increases in the system's ability to read and write, to perform mathematical calculations, to reason, it's working memory, its visual recognition, its auditory recognition, all of those have expanded, some of them dramatically. The point I'm making is, yes, AGI is at present just a dream and artificial superintelligence dream.

[Steve Bannon]

It's a. It's an objective that they're moving towards. It's more than a dream, but more than a dream. It's a vision. But they have. They have a target and they're moving to that target. And everything they're doing that target, everything they're doing is a dream. Is like you and I are sitting around, sure, you know, I've got a dream of human freedom, right? But this is much more than that. It's not a dream at all. It's. It's a active program of which they're pushing to. This is why they go out of their way so much to try to cover exactly what they're doing, right? If this dream that they were sitting around cafes and, you know, wearing berets and thinking great thoughts, this is beyond the great thoughts thing. This is the active program of moving to converge on this this is why it's so dangerous. And there's certain mileposts along the way that if you don't stop it now, once you get to the milepost, you can't. You cannot reverse what we're doing. Look, I've got huge problems. Just AI overall. We talked yesterday about AI psychosis. The Hawley's going to be on here. Senator Hawley's going to be on here in a while. The hearing he had with the parents of the kids committing suicide because they're talking to AI right now. So I have problems with that. But this is more than a dream. Makes it seem like it's some, you know, ephemeral thing this is out there. Am I not correct on that?

[Joe Allen]

Well, then if we just go with vision. The difference between this and many other technological visions is that this is a vision that is materializing.

[Steve Bannon]

Yes.

[Joe Allen]

And there's objective data to show that this is a vision that is material.

[Steve Bannon]

My point, Max, you're in the heart. I mean, can you even go on campus anymore? You're at mit. Kind of the one that and Stanford are kind of the railheads of this. There's many other. Obviously, everybody's into AI now, but, I mean, the railhead is the great Massachusetts Institute of Technology, our greatest engineering school, coupled with Stanford. Can you even go on campus right now? So this is embedded in everybody's thinking.

[Max Tegmark]

Oh, yeah. Most people in private are terrified about this or very concerned. They just don't want to say it publicly to not lose funding. And I'm so grateful to you, Joe, for bringing up our paper, because I was a co author on it. We found that Last year we're 27% of the way there. Artificial general intelligence. This year we're at 58% of the way there. So we're not there yet. We're getting closer fast.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Well, hold it.

[Max Tegmark]

But hang on.

[Steve Bannon]

This is my point. This is not a dream. This is something that we're going down past Mile Post every day at 58%. It's almost like, hey, can you turn it around? I mean, that's why your heroic effort behind the scenes. And you should know that, Max, Particularly with the. This is the broadest range. Because people know I'm not. I don't sign these kinds. I get this stuff every day for. In politics. And sign this. I don't do that. This was important enough. And particularly the various elements were disparate enough. And Max. And people that I really admire put so much work into this to try to move this forward and actually have a Group of prominent people, particularly in the science and technology community, to kind of formally go on and say, hey, we're putting you on notice that this can't stop. What is the next steps for you, Max, in actually making sure that we can make this a thing, as I call it?

[Max Tegmark]

So the first step is for people to understand that this is not a statement saying stop AI. That would be as weird as saying we're against cars or whatever. We want tools that can cure cancer, that can do all sorts of wonderful things and make America strong. And there's nothing in this letter saying anything about not building AI tools. But superintelligence, as joellen nicely explained, there is not a tool. We have no clue how to control something like that. It's like trying to control vastly Smarter Than Human aliens. We published a paper, me and my MIT AI students recently, showing that the most popular strategy for trying to control this just doesn't work. Right? So what we simply need is for Donald Trump and others in our government to stand up and say, look, we are only going to allow companies to make things that they can demonstrate our tools. That's just like saying that pharma companies can't sell medicines unless they can demonstrate that they're going to do more good than harm. We treat every single other industry this way. But ironically, the AI companies have been so good at lobbying that they have this corporate welfare cut out, where they're the only companies in America who can just release stuff legally, even superintelligence tomorrow, you know, without having to have demonstrate any safety properties of what they do. So just treating AI companies like we treat all other companies will already solve this problem. Then we'll see an age of abundance where we continue seeing great technical innovations to make America strong and prosperous and healthy with tools. And the superintelligence madness will come to a screeching halt because no company is going to be able to demonstrate that this is a tool.

[Steve Bannon]

Are you concerned? I've got an action plan of confronting the Chinese Communist Party because what they throw back on you right away is that, hey, we had a Sputnik moment. This is a race for. For AGI and superintelligence, and it's essentially an arms race. The Chinese Communist Party is very advanced and we can't stop it. I call out that lie because they use that all the time on everything with the Chinese Communist Party. Right? That and it's very not easy, but it's doable to decouple technologically and financially from this effort. Let's not say the whole Decouple. You can finance. You can do it from this effort. Your thoughts on that? Because we have to deal with a murderous dictatorship that would. If got. If they got their hands on this, on this, on this technology. Right? They wouldn't. They wouldn't. They would use it on their own people and they would use it throughout the world. Your thoughts?

[Max Tegmark]

Yeah, I put my thumb up there because you're so right that the oligarchs in San Francisco keep using China as an excuse for why they should get to do whatever they want without accountability. Right. The truth of the race, this race, is that there are two races, of course. Right. There is a race for dominance, economic and military. And the way to race that race is with tools. You don't win a race by losing control over your own tech. Right. And destroying your own country. And so this is going to continue this race to build more powerful AI tools. But in the meantime, I think both the US and China will, if we can perforate the lies, are going to stop pushing for superintelligence. It won't come as any surprise to you, Steve, if I say that I think that the Chinese Communist Party is really into control. So the last thing they're going to tolerate is some Chinese tech company, Deep seq, or anyone else building something that. Building some super intelligence that they will lose control over and they will overthrow the Chinese Communist Party and. And the rest of Earth. Right. They're not going to allow that. And I think when we have NATSA people in the US who increasingly start to realize also that this is a national security threat to the US Government, then neither company is. Neither of these countries are going to race to superintelligence anymore, but they will continue the race to AI tools for strengthening their economies and their militaries.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, I'm actually a belt and I'm a belt and suspenders guy. We got to cut them. I hear you. In an irrational world, but oftentimes the ccp, and particularly she and these guys are not particularly rational. You see, some of the efforts are taken against us, but. I hear you, but that's what we got to do, too. Number one, we need to stop. They only exist as a technological threat to the United States because of the money and the technology and the training we give the Chinese Camera. Full stop. Max, where do people go to learn more about this? Where they go more to learn more about our efforts going forward?

[Max Tegmark]

Sir, anyone who shares our concern here with what these tech companies are doing can go to superintelligence. Hyphen statement.org not.com superintelligence hyphen statement.org and and join as a signatory because what we want to do first, show the world that this is not something we Americans want.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Joe Allen]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.

[Steve Bannon]

I'm gonna bring Brandon Weikart into the conversation. Brandon, the book you wrote on space is how many years old came out during Trump's first term, right?

[Brandon Weikart]

Yes. It was written in 2019 and published in the middle of COVID so 2020.

[Steve Bannon]

But you're one of the thinkers that really got President Trump and behind the scenes, one of the thinkers that got President Trump thinking about a space command and how important it was.

[Brandon Weikart]

Absolutely.

[Steve Bannon]

Space is obviously suborbital space, the race against the Chinese Communist Party. And folks, just remember, President Trump is trying to negotiate with them. Now it's up in the air where he's going to meet. You know, it's kind of a roll of the iron dice. The Chinese Communist Party has come and put a knife to the throat of the United States of America with these heavy rare earths. They understand that what the globalist elite in our country did was allow our processing capability to basically be bought by the Chinese Communist Party, I think, out of Ohio in 2015 and shipped to China. So they process all the heavy, the Magnets and all these things you need for a production capability to run a production line. And they put a knife. And President Trump is trying to fight back by doing other strategic efforts. The high ground in this, in this war of the future is going to be space. Now my problem is you've got a guy, this guy Isaacson, I think it is, they're trying to force. Elon is trying to force his buddy in to run NASA because right now we have a national security problem. That's problem is, and I set aside the fact that people know that Elon Musk and I go at it all the time and he always loses, right when he's out of the government. Doge was a joke. I told everybody he was a joke. It's been, you know, Russ votes the real deal. This guy's a clown. He wasted seven months telling President Trump, I'm gonna get trillion dollars of cuts. He ended up with zero. Okay, all the tech bros, all the Elon bros. That ended up with zero. And now he has 97% of the launches from NASA and he wants to put his buddy into NASA so he can get 99%. It's a national security problem. We have one company, a private company, and President Trump, who's the ultimate dealmaker and took 10% of Intel. President Trump, 100% of SpaceX is funded by taxpayers. Why don't we own 50% of the company? You did a great job on Intel. This guy. It's a $380 billion valuation which him and his shareholders own on 100% government contracts, virtually all of NASA's launches. It just can't continue. We have to spread out for a national security, for our own national security. We have to get other launch companies to get some of the expertise. And the biggest thing is this race to the moon, back to the moon where the Chinese Communist Party is going full bent. We're now years late and it won't even happen on President Trump's watch because Elon's got it and with no competition, he can just. It's a $4 billion thing, contract, right. 2.8 billion has been spent and they're just kind of tapping along. So number one, we must broaden out immediately the number of companies that get access to these launches. Number two, Isaacson, who's a radical left wing, Trump hating Democrat, and I don't care how many times he shows up at the White House today groveling that he's maga, he's not maga. And it's a disaster to put this guy in Here because he's a radical Democrat who was supporting people all the way up to the evening of four, November of 2024. And number three is President Trump's done such a magnificent job on really getting the American, the United States interest in companies that we're giving massive contracts to. Why are we not taking 50% of SpaceX? Look, I've called to nationalize it for the simple reason is that it's 100% financed by the NASA contracts or other DOD contracts. Brandon, how far off base am I in this? Sir, you're the expert.

[Brandon Weikart]

Well, I would just say I understand what you're saying, but I think nationalization is a bad move only because, you know, we basically had a nationalized space sector for 50 years, and the best we could do was pop off a few shuttles into the orbit around Earth. We need to go bigger. And, and, you know, setting aside the issues with Elon, he's very erratic. We know this. The fact is SpaceX has been highly innovative.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on, hang on. Stop, stop. You say very erratic. He made a comment on Twitter when he was having the fallout with Trump that I'm just gonna throw my toys out of the cram and we won't do any lunches.

[Brandon Weikart]

I got it.

[Steve Bannon]

This is a central. And I understand your thing about nationalization, but I don't know, give us a little something, let us wet our beak. How about 50%? President Trump got an amazing deal with intel. What about 50%? But the central issue, that's fine. Is the assortment of the contracts. He, right now, he gets 97% of the launches. Am I incorrect on that?

[Brandon Weikart]

He gets the bulk. Majority of them, yes. And I would say that from a national security perspective, just like with investing, you don't want to put all your eggs in one basket when you're investing. It's the same thing here. And I would say that SpaceX has been critical for lowering launch costs overall, which is key for making space more open. But now we need to create, build off of that and create an ecosystem, Steve, not just SpaceX, include Blue Origin, include Rocket Lab. Also, let's get some of our foreign partners. The Japanese have some really innovative stuff. They're doing the Indians as well. You know, the Australians are doing some cool stuff with hypersonics. We can start creating an ecosystem of systems that will keep us ahead in the space race. But I just want to make it clear we do have to do this very gingerly, only because the window right now is so tight. If we negate our only real silver bullet in the Space race, which is the ability to easily launch reusable rockets whenever we need to. If we negate that by going too hard at Space X, then we're going to basically neuter ourselves. As China and Russia are both rising to dominate the. The Earth moon system. And that's the key, the Earth moon system. You have to understand it from the strategic high ground perspective.

[Steve Bannon]

Help me out here about missing this launch. Now, of the $4 billion contract thing to go to the moon, 2.8 has been spent. It's been tapped along. Now it's going to be after President Trump's. Well, of course, President Trump's still going to be president in 2028, but according to the popular press, he's not. But we've tapped this thing dangerously long. Why is that? Is Elon just not focus is. It was. I think that's focus was time. Time at Doge.

[Brandon Weikart]

So the, the official. Yeah, yeah. The officials reason had to do with. They said it was an issue with the ground systems, basically the physical system on the ground that provides the launch capability. They said they were having technical issues with it. Other times they've missed the window. They blamed it on, you know, the weather. At the bottom line, though, the end of the day, I personally think it's because Elon was distracted with all this political stuff. I think Elon is at his best when he's focused on Space X and when he's not dealing with any of the political guff. And in fact, in some ways, the political guff has hurt Space X, because when he was too close to Trump, Biden went after him. And now that he's too close to Trump, or now that he's. Now that he's moving away from Trump, obviously that also alienates the current administration. So he needs to stay focused because this is the problem with relying on only one real player, Space X. If the leader goes off the rails, then we lose that capability. And that's why we need an ecosystem. And this is why Duffy is correct when he says we need competition, not just Space X. As much as I enjoy Space X.

[Steve Bannon]

Shot, look, we're not. I'm not denigrating Space X.

[Max Tegmark]

Sure.

[Steve Bannon]

I'm saying you need more competition. Hell, I'm not denigrating it. I want to own 50% of it. Okay, we want a piece now. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Give these government contracts out. He's doing financings at $380 billion.

[Brandon Weikart]

I think, I think there's a conversation for the area. I agree.

[Steve Bannon]

You do?

[Brandon Weikart]

I just don't want it to. I just don't want. I just don't want it to hurt innovation. I do not want it to.

[Steve Bannon]

I got it. When you use the N word, nationalization, of course, maybe.

[Brandon Weikart]

Maybe we just get it. We just get a little percentage.

[Steve Bannon]

A little percentage. 50 we'll start. President Trump's the master negotiator. Let's start at 50 and work our way up.

[Brandon Weikart]

Look, Elon, Elon has done some good, though, and we shouldn't, we shouldn't forget that. And I say this as somebody who's been critical of him on other issues. But SpaceX, he's really good on.

[Steve Bannon]

Listen, I. Look, he has been, I think, terrific about Space X. The problem is you can't put your eggs in all one basket.

[Brandon Weikart]

I agree.

[Steve Bannon]

You got to spread the. No, no contractor should ever have 97% of something. You. You have to spread your eggs in the basket.

[Brandon Weikart]

And this was the big pull of SpaceX initially when they went against United Launch alliance, which was the Boeing, Lockheed. Exactly. Conglomerate in 2010. And Musk was 100% right when he said, you can't just rely on these guys. We got to get other players. But we should take Musk's advice and get other players besides Space X as well.

[Steve Bannon]

Sean Duffy has been a hero in this thing. You also can't put this Isaac man, you can't put his buddy. You can't put Elon's bestie in with, with this. We killed it one time, we're going to have to kill it again. Right?

[Brandon Weikart]

I will say. I will say, Isaac man, I don't think he's one of us politically, and that is always a concern. But Isaac man is somebody who is an expert in the field. I like Duffy, but, you know, I wish that we could get an actual astronaut who's not a crazy liberal to, to lead the organization. I'm very concerned about certain things they're talking about doing with NASA, such as putting it under Duffy's.

[Steve Bannon]

But Sean. Okay, but shot. But Sean. Hang on, Sean. Duffy is not saying he's going to run NASA. No, I got to look for someone. So. So I agree.

[Brandon Weikart]

I agree.

[Steve Bannon]

He's fighting a tough fight because remember, yeah, all of them on Capitol Hill and the administration, they're all afraid of Elon's money. This is why they didn't back us on H1BS. Why was it War room had to go out and remember, he was going to die on this hill. He was going to die in this hill.

[Brandon Weikart]

He told virtual faces, remember?

[Steve Bannon]

Exactly. He was not Shy about it. Right? And now he's on the. Now we're on the. We've changed the program so much. We're on the. We're on the point of. Of actually destroying H1BS. Anyway, Weikart, you and I have a lot more to talk about on hemispheric defense. You've been a great writer across Biohack space, if people want to find out some of this. And obviously updates that. Weichert is going to cite the book Space is Extraordinary kicking off point and really it really got winning space. It got the argument going about setting up a space force. Brandon, where do people go for your content, sir?

[Brandon Weikart]

Well, you can find me on Twitter X which is owned by Elon at we the Brandon. And you can find me also I have a show now with America Out Loud News and they air it on iHeart every Wednesday called the National Security Hour.

[Steve Bannon]

Good. Fantastic, sir. Good having you on here.

[Brandon Weikart]

Thanks for having me, Steve. Talk to you soon.

[Steve Bannon]

Is Senator Hawley okay? Maybe we don't get Thayer. The Committee on the Present Endangered China. We set this up years ago to warn the American people on technology and issues like this. The Chinese Communist Party is a mortal threat to their own people. Lao Baijang. Right. And they're a mortal threat to the American people. And they're a mortal threat to mankind overall. Right? So in space is another example. They're throwing tons and they don't care if their people eat or don't eat. They don't care if that hundred million, they still have an abject poverty. Ever get out of abject poverty. Because they want to go to the moon. Because in the Earth moon system, that to them is the high ground. Low orbital space is not the highest ground, but it's high ground. They want to dominate this planet and they're putting everything, whether it's artificial intelligence, artificial general intelligence, quantum computing, you name it. But their goal is to eliminate the United States of America. Am I incorrect, sir?

[Bradley Thayer]

No, Steve, that's spot on. That's exactly right. And so when we're dealing with the ccp, we need to recognize, of course, that per the earlier conversation, right, the enemy gets a vote. Xi Jinping needs artificial intelligence and he's going to pursue it unless he thinks that it threatens the party's control. Secondly, he's going to dominate space. Brandon mentioned the strategic reason. That's certainly the case. There's also the military role that the moon is going to play. And then thirdly, there's the political role that this plays that shows the legitimacy of the CCP to dominate the moon, to do what the Soviets couldn't do by putting a taikonaut on the moon. Of course, while the Soviets were never able to put a cosmonaut, they just put the robots on the moon and then as a segue to Mars. Right, because the CCP does not accept Outer Space Treaty. They're going to own the moon and they're going to own Mars. And then, Steve, finally, I think it would be, you know, now is the time to move on AI as well as space, but especially AI because if it's not the nose that we were talking about earlier, no students, no chips. If this isn't done now to cut Xi Jinping off from this, it's too late to do it. And I would like to have leaders like Elon Musk running our, if he's running our space program. I would like a leader who only has America's interests in mind, not somebody who's going to have interest in this with the, the survival of the ccp. And Jensen Huang of Nvidia. Right. He's also got mixed motives. I mean, that guy is, as we've.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Joe Allen]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

[Steve Bannon]

Thayer. We gotta go to Saffron. We're also going to talk about thwarting the Chinese Communist Party in the race for AGI. It's outrageous that American companies and American capital are still in business with them. Sequoia Capital. All these guys. Okay. It's greed and avarice.

[Bradley Thayer]

What your.

[Steve Bannon]

What are your coordinates there? And we haven't even gotten to my favorite topic. Irish. And what's happening in Ireland. But I promise we're gonna. We're gonna get it all done, brother. Where they go.

[Brandon Weikart]

Sure.

[Bradley Thayer]

But you know, we can't have leaders in space or an AI who've got vested interests in the ccp. Survival.

[Steve Bannon]

Amen.

[Bradley Thayer]

And success.

[Steve Bannon]

Amen.

[Bradley Thayer]

At the end of the day, just Brad Thayer X and Bradley Thayer and Getter. And True. Thanks a lot, Steve, for covering this.

[Steve Bannon]

See, Dr. Thayer has what we call range in the business. We're gonna get to Irish situation. Ireland. Cultural natural nationalism. Which you're trying to thwart. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you.

[Bradley Thayer]

Thanks.

[Steve Bannon]

Joe. You're. You're my lead. You're my lead sled dog on. On all things AI. Where do people go?

[Joe Allen]

Go to at Joe. B, O, T, X, Y, Z on X and Getter. As long as I'm on X, I may be locked out very soon. Or my website, JoeBot, XYZ, have got a big lecture circuit coming up beginning on Friday. It's right at the top.

[Steve Bannon]

Where are you going Friday?

[Joe Allen]

Friday I will be in Fort Myers, Florida for the Florida Citizens Alliance.

[Steve Bannon]

Wow. Amazing. When that thing is sold out yet?

[Joe Allen]

I hope so. If it's not, it will be in about five minutes.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay. I want everybody down there to see Joe Allen. Amazing. His. His understanding and knowledge of AI is quite extraordinary in the impact of our country, in particular, our citizens, in particularly kids. Unbelievable. Joe, thank you so much for doing this. Thank you so much for working with Max Tegmark and the great guys there at MIT and Max's Institute for Life. Mike Lindell. Senator Hawley's supposed to be here. I know. He's running late. They got hearings. Everything going on. Sell me a pillow, brother. Since you're going to put on hold your governor's race right now to sell us some pillows, what do you got for us?

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[Steve Bannon]

I'll see. Okay, I'll see you tonight, Mike. Thank you so much, brother. We'll talk about your Christian network of helping people that are in trouble either with addictions and or other issues. Senator Hawley, a huge day in artificial intelligence. I know you're one of the ones working on this shutdown. Can you give us an update on the shutdown for us? I think we're winning the shutdown. And if they want illegal aliens to get paid by the United States government as much as we're in debt, I think the Warren posse would tell you we got your back. We're a hard no. Can you get us up to speed?

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Yeah. Well, I think the Democrats are right in the same position you just outlined, Steve, which is they want money going to illegals. They don't want health care for our veterans. You go to the VA right now, if you're a veteran, you're going to find all kinds of stuff shut down.

[Max Tegmark]

Why?

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Because the Democrats would rather give money to illegals than pay our veterans who bled for this country. And that's it in a nutshell. And that's their position. So I hope sooner or later they'll come to their senses and they'll realize, you know what? This is the wrong thing. It's the wrong thing to tell American citizens who paid their taxes, who have served this nation that we're just going to screw you in order to pursue some far left wing agenda. But that's where they are right now. And I tell you, Senator Hawley, just.

[Steve Bannon]

Real quickly, is there anything to negotiate? They keep on us all day long in your mind right now, Is there anything to negotiate, sir?

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Well, listen, here's what I say to them and all the Dems who say we need a negotiation. Make the president an offer. You've got the president in office right now, who is the ultimate dealmaker. He's the best deal maker in the oval office, in my lifetime, maybe ever. I mean, I don't know who would surpass him in terms of his record. You want to make a deal, take him a deal. They're not doing that, though, Steve. That's a talking point. They're not doing it. They're not saying, okay, here's what we want. What they're out there doing is trashing Trump, complaining about the ballroom at the White House and whatever else while they're denying veterans healthcare benefits. I mean, come on. I think people see through this.

[Steve Bannon]

What's your message to the president and our audience? Only got a couple minutes. I know you've been in hearings and meetings. What's your message to the president of the United States about this situation?

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Well, I think he's doing the right thing. I mean, this is a guy who's paying the military, he's paying our law enforcement, he's paying border patrol. The only reason any of these people are getting paid is because Donald Trump is finding every avenue that he can to try to get paychecks to our folks who are out there wearing the uniform, keeping us safe. I mean, so my message to him is thank you. I mean, thank you for doing that. Thank you for standing up for our people, for the American people. It's the Democrats who would rather shut down the entire government than pay an ICE agent. They would rather shut down the entire government than build the border wall. They'd rather shut down an entire government than stop illegals from getting Medicaid. I mean, it just shows you where their priorities are.

[Steve Bannon]

We know that. We hear that some, some of the rhinos are getting wobbly. What's the message to the posse of what we need to do from, with your guidance over the next couple of days?

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Well, I just think the message is, listen, we got to draw a line on the sand on never giving health care money that the American people need and have paid for to illegal aliens. We've got to draw a line in the sand that we're going to fully fund ice. We're going to fully fund the border patrol. We're not going to accept cutbacks on any of those areas. We're going to stand firm and defend our military, defend our law enforcement and make sure that our people who need these services, our veterans, our seniors get what they have been paying for their whole life. Steve I mean that's the real injustice here is our seniors, our veterans who paid into these programs their whole life now can't get them. Why? Because the Democrats don't like Donald Trump.

[Steve Bannon]

Senator Hawley what are your coordinates? Where do people go to find out more about you?

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Josh hawley.com and you can find me on the social media platforms at Holly.

[Steve Bannon]

Know we're going to track you down later, maybe get you back on here in the next couple days on artificial intelligence because you're the leader of the fight. Thank you sir. Appreciate you. Right stuff will take us out. What a great right stuff taking us on a day we talked about space and making sure Isaacman is not the head of NASA. You don't need Elon's buddy over there cutting any more contracts. Got 97 of them anyway. The right stuff. I think he's got the right stuff. The Charlie Kirk show follows us as it has for four years posto. After that Posovic Gruber bowling and then back to the worm at 5 o'.

[Max Tegmark]

Clock.

[Steve Bannon]

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