
Episode 4877: Jack Smith Should Testify Publicly; Antifa On The Ballot In Maine ...
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Donald Trump
All of us, and about a justice system which has been weaponized, a justice system which has been used as a tool of revenge, this justice system which has been used as a tool of revenge and a weapon against those individuals who simply did their job and who stood up for the rule of law. And a justice system which unfortunately is nothing being used as a vehicle of retribution. But my faith is strong and my faith is I have this belief in the justice system and the rule of law, and I have a, and I have a belief in America and all of its individuals who have stood with me, not only in New York, but all across this nation.
New York Attorney General Letitia James
New York Attorney General Letitia James is one of the bravest people that I know. She is an honorable person of great integrity. That's how she served. And we've served together now since 2019, when we were both elected in 2018. And, you know, she's been a leader amongst attorneys general all across the nation. And that includes in a bipartisan fashion on many different issues like the opioid epidemic and the settlements that we procured, billions of dollars across the United States. But, you know, if he's trying to make Tish James into a martyr, I think that's exactly what he's doing, because everybody knows that Tish James is a person who believes very much in the, the strength of our laws and in making sure that she is law abiding, as is everyone. So I, I think these, these charges are specious and they will not hold up in a court law.
Steve Bannon
He's going to get a third term. So Trump 28. Trump is going to be president 28. And, and people just sort of get accommodated with that.
Interviewer/Host
So what about the 22nd Amendment?
Steve Bannon
There's many different alternatives. At the appropriate time, we'll lay out what the plan is. But there's a plan. And President Trump will be the president in 2018. We had longer odds in 16 and longer odds in 24 than we got in 28. And President Trump will be the president. And the country needs him to be president. States we have to finish what we started. And the way we finish it, do Trump. Trump is a vehicle. I know this will drive you guys crazy, but he's a vehicle of divine providence. He's an instrument. He's very imperfect. He's not churchy, not particularly religious, but he's an instrument of divine will. And you could tell this of how we've, how he's pulled this off. We need him for at least one more term. Right. And he'll get that in 28.
Interviewer/Host
You're not driving me crazy. I'm really, I'm trying to understand the coherence of the things you've just told me in the last few minutes. On the one hand, you've said the Constitution is fit for purpose. Secondly, you've said that President Trump needs another term, Even though the 22nd amendment makes pretty clear that he cannot have a second.
Steve Bannon
Why does it make that clear?
Interviewer/Host
Because he's on his second term already.
Steve Bannon
At some point in time, we will make sure we go through Zani and define all those terms.
Interviewer/Host
But even, even if you find a way to undermine the. You will be undermining the spirit of that amendment. Even if you find some way around it. And to those.
Steve Bannon
The American people. Can the American people. If the American people, with the mechanisms we have put Trump back in office, are the American people tearing up the Constitution, would that be turning up? Would they, would the American people be going against the spirit of the Constitution?
Julie Kelly
Ma'?
Interviewer/Host
Am, I think yes, actually. Because I think what you are going to, what you will end up with is a list justification for a quasi dictatorship.
Steve Bannon
That's not true at all. We need to finish what we started. And President Trump is the instrument, a providential instrument to finish that, to finish this job.
Donald Trump
I've heard from just about every jurisdiction in this nation who have said, stand up and be tall and never, ever cow down or back down or break or bend. So there's no fear today. No fear. No fear. No fear. No fear. Because I believe that justice will rain down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream. And I'm here to say that my work and my job and all that I do, all throughout my public career, I've stood up for the rights of New Yorkers and Americans and I will not be deterred.
Narrator/Reporter
Former White House chief strategist speaking with the editor in chief and deputy editor of the Economist. Go Bannon has not worked in the White House since President Trump's first term and did not work on President Trump's 2024 campaign. In he did recently tell ABC's Jonathan Karl for his upcoming book that he had a way of getting messages to Trump's campaign and to Trump himself while he was in prison for contempt of Congress. That included direct messages to Boris Epstein, a self described counselor to President Trump. Carl also reports that Trump still turns to Bannon for guidance. Carl, in his forthcoming book, reports that President Trump called Bannon during a national security meeting back in February ahead of President Zelensky's first trip to Washington. You probably remember that One Carl also reports that Trump had Bannon tell his national security team why he didn't trust the Ukrainian leader and why he was skeptical of any ideals or deals. MSNBC reached out to the White House for comment on Bannon's 2028 claims. We asked when Bannon might have last spoken to President Trump and whether there are plans for the president to seek a third term. We have not yet heard. Back at this hour. The 22nd Amendment of the Constitution is clear. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice. And no person who has held the office of president or acted as president for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected president, shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But a Tennessee Republican proposed an amendment to to the 22nd Amendment to clear the way for Trump's third term just days after his second inauguration. Amending the constitution requires a 2/3 vote of Congress or 2/3 of the states agreeing to call a constitutional convention to propose changes. Either of those require ratification from three quarters of the states. In March, President Trump addressed the question of running again, telling NBC's Kristen Welker he was not joking about a third term. Trump said there were plans in the making, but he refused to say exactly what they were. How dangerous is it that you have these very, very serious comments coming from the president himself, being fed to his supporters who we saw he has tremendous influence over, if January six was any indication of that.
Steve Bannon
I think it's reflective of a kind of a bottomless ambition to grab as much power as possible. And I think that they will keep pushing and testing the limits of, of what he can hold on to. And in this instance, I think that they're probably actively testing what's possible. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. You're just not getting a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Friday the 24th of October, the year of our 2025 President leaves tonight for probably one of the toughest trips he's ever taken to Asia, he East Asia. We'll meet with Xi negotiating. We're going to get into all that. So much going on. And we're going to jam it all in to the first hour here. Let's go. We've got Julie Kelly. The great Julie Kelly joins us. Julie. In the deconstruction of the administrative state, going after the deep state. President Trump had a meeting yesterday with, you know, head Pam Bondi and Stephen Miller and Cash Patel and all the team around there. And the left completely melted down. Grassley has now put out this memoir that looks like from Ray that that Merrick Garland, Lisa Monaco knew about Arctic Frost. You've got Letitia James is a rain today. And hey sister, keep preaching. Letitia James gonna they're gonna have a superseding indictment, though, a lot more charges on her. She's going to prison for a long, long, long time. Julie Kelly, you've been all over this on your sub stack and other commentary. Where do we stand with this war? We're against the deep state in the administrative state, ma'. Am.
Julie Kelly
I mean, I think that the DOJ and the president are making slow, steady progress. And we see this with the indictments of James Comey and now New York Attorney General Letitia James. There's an interesting side story to Letitia James's rental property in Virginia. As you know, her grandniece, Nikia Thompson, appears to be a repeat criminal offender and most recently was arrested on October 9, the day that the DOJ announced the grand jury indictment into Letitia James threatening an assistant school principal where one of her children attended school, making threats to this principle, so much so that they called police arrest. An arrest warrant was issued for her. And this was finally made public yesterday in the New York Post. So Letitia James and her crime family, very interesting side note there. But look, I do want to give a shout out to Acting U.S. attorney Lindsey Halligan. Did we just lose very corrupt Eastern District of Virginia, you U.S. attorney's office, where these indictments are being handed up. And she is not backing down at all, despite what appears to be some internal sniping, but also a coordinated media attack against her. Where we have at the center, Ken Delaney, msnbc, affectionately known as Fujian Ken, trying to dirty up her name and undermine the work that she is doing. So I think we're going to see more, more out of that Eastern District of Virginia. To your point, probably more indictments. Superseding indictments against Letitia James, possibly James Comey. And then, of course, we are awaiting a potential indictment of California Senator Adam Schiff as well.
Steve Bannon
Let's go to that last one, by the way, here there are the Comey was just to get into the wire with the statute of limitations. There's much more Comey coming with the Brennan and you know all that the Russia hoax situation. Crossfire Hurricane. Talk to me about shift because I hear there's all kind of Kendelaneans on it. People should know. Kendelaney and NBC News is the comms director for the Deep State. People that are, I mean, unbelievable, they just give it to him. It's the Ministry of State in the Deep state. He's the comms director. Talk to me about Schiff because they're blowing back on us on Schiff, saying the grand jury's not going to die. A couple other prosecutors have resigned. Your thoughts about that, ma'?
Julie Kelly
Am? I mean, we shall see. I really again, I think that there is a strong effort by Lindsey Halligan, some of her new team. Of course, you had Eric Siebert, who was the U.S. attorney in that office, who was forced to resign. The president forced him to resign after his internal resistance to the Comey indictment. Then you've had a few other top prosecutors who were fired by Lindsey Halligan, Elizabeth, you see, being one of them. And they claimed through Fusion Ken that they were fired because they resisted the indictment against Letitia James. Well, turns out that is not the case. My sources tell me that Elizabeth Youse and Kristen Byrd, who were at the Eastern District of Virginia, they were fired not because they resisted the indictment against Letitia James, but because they were leaking sensitive investigations of information to none other than Fusion Ken, even though Fusion Ken is trying to make it seem like they were again fired because they were not following marching orders by the president and DOJ to indict his alleged political foes. That's not the case. Again, reports today actually by CNN that Elizabeth Youse was taking investigative information about Letitia James and sending it to her personal email account. So, of course, this is sort of what we saw with James Comey, right, is that they believe that they run the Department of Justice. We've seen this now for a decade. And this was not just the top officials who think that former top officials at the DOJ who think that they were independently running that Department of Justice. But now you have line prosecutors, chiefs of certain units who are acting as insubordinate to their superiors and then working behind the scenes to get certain information to reporters to spin these stories, make their superiors, whether it's Pam Bondi, Todd Blanche or Lindsey Halligan, look bad. But again, doing things behind the scenes they are not supposed to be doing.
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You text that, you get the ultimate guide. It's free to invest in gold and precious metals in the age of Trump. Philip Patrick's on with me tomorrow. Also Dave Walsh. We're going to talk energy. We got a lot tomorrow. Show is packed. Get into more Venezuela. What's happening with these kinetic wars. Israel, Ukraine, all of it. And Philip Patrick, the Point of the exercise is to get contact with Philip Patrick and. And the team at Birch Cold. They can walk you through everything. So Philip on tomorrow, Julie Kelly, Arctic Frost. The memo from. The memo from. Because all these guys are big talk. They're all big talkers. Leticia James, she's preaching, you know, it's. Come on, sister, preach, sister, sister. She's preaching. She's got. She's looking at 10 to 20 hard. She got so much bank fraud, mortgage fraud, all of it. And we got the receipts. Tish. It's down in my hometown too. Richmond, Virginia. Gotta love that. I want to. Arctic Frost, couple of your favorite people. Merrick Garland, Chris Wray, but particularly the brains of the operation, the Hammer, Lisa Monaco. I think she's now general Counsel at Microsoft. Lisa Monaco, Orange is the new black baby. Talk to me about what's going on with this part of the investigation. Ma', Am, you got Grassley is ripped and so are the nine senators. This thing got real when nine US Senators, Republican Senators, realized they had been wiretapped. Okay, now it's a different deal. Julie Kelly.
Julie Kelly
Right. So Arctic Frost was the FBI investigation opened in 2022, allegedly into the fake electoral scheme. And this was a plan by American citizens in five states to send alternative slates of electors to the National Archives, perhaps to Congress. Now, Steve, a top archives official testified to Congress in 2022 that this happens every four years. That American citizens who protest or object to the outcome of the election, their guy didn't win. So they send made up electoral certificates to the archives. Happens every four years. Only though, after the 2020 election did this become a crime in the eyes of then Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco. You and I have talked about Lisa Monaco several times. I have covered her since she was appointed nominated Deputy Attorney General by Joe Biden in early 2021. You know, I will tell you the senators who. 48 Republican senators who voted to confirm her as Deputy Attorney General In April of 2021, there were only two who did not Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. So now all the senators who helped confirm her, guess what she did. She turned around the next year and helped to open an investigation into the alternative slate of electors that then turned into. Special counsel. Jack Smith took over subpoenaing the cell phone records of nine senators, including Ted Cruz. Nine Republican senators who plan to object to the certification on January 6th. So this was a wide ranging investigation. Of course it resulted in the indictment of President Trump, but it looks like they had their sights on others, including top U.S. republican senators and House members. But what the memo disclosed that was issued this week, this 2022 memo, is that this was run through Lisa Monaco. This was her idea. She served it up to FBI Director Christopher Wray. They went to Attorney General Merrick Garland to open up what they call a sensitive investigative matter which deals with political investigations. And there's a little note at the end of this memo from Lisa Monaco directly asking Merrick Garland to sign off on that, which of course he did. Now Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Charles Grassley has asked a special counsel, Jack Smith, to testify before his committee. House Judiciary Committee did that as well. Jack Smith responded, Steve. And he said, sure, I will come testify, but I want to do it in public, which represents the first time I've ever agreed with Jack Smith. I fully believe and I encourage Republicans to allow Jack Smith to testify publicly so the American people can see what a dirty, dishonest, corrupt snake Jack Smith is. And he had free reign to try to destroy this president in two federal criminal investigations. The American people deserve to see this man take questions and to explain himself publicly.
Steve Bannon
Okay, we got investigation for the Crossfire Hurricane all the conspiracy Russiagate, the grand jury's meeting their subpoenas flying. You've got the investigation now of the 2020, the adjudication, how it was stolen also who did it January 6th. You saw the working group yesterday the less melting totally down. We're going after Russ votes going after the administrative state to take it apart financially and operationally as his, as his, as OMB director he can under the President. They're we're also attacking full on assault on the deep state. Are you happy right now, Julie Kelly, since you follow this every day with the pace of the progress that we are making. Ma', am.
Julie Kelly
I am. And you and I talked about this early on and I would caution people the first few and then several months of this administration, people who were right away demanding indictments, demanding to see people hauled off in handcuffs and face charges. And I explained that the process is very involved that this Department of Justice and FBI would be under massive internal resistance, which of course we learn about on a weekly basis. The most recent example being what's happening in the Eastern District of Virginia. And they have faced insurmountable challenges, but they are definitely making headway. You know, our friend Mike Davis has talked about a grand jury convened in southern Florida to look at a grand conspiracy case. This of course would reach all the way back to Lisa Monaco and her key role as a main architect, architect of the Russiagate hoax. I have a piece up on my substack that details exactly what Lisa Monaco was up to in mid-2016 to concoct the Russiagate hoax and everything she did behind the scenes and publicly with the media to advance this lie that the President had been in cahoots with the Russians to steal the election. So things are. Are happening. I feel like everyone's sort of gotten their footing, Steve, on this and finally getting some backup from Republicans, Republicans in the House and Senate as well. So it seems to be gelling together in the legislative branch and executive branch where everyone is starting to kind of come together, circle these criminals like Lisa Monaco and Jack Smith and make their case to the American people as to why these people need to face consequences not just for what they did to the president and, and everyone around him, including you, but for deceiving the American people, abusing their government authority in so many unprecedented ways to try to not just destroy Donald Trump, but the entire MAGA movement. Steve, real quick, I have a piece up on my substack Declassified with Julie Kelly. I interviewed John Lauro, who was the President's criminal defense attorney in the January 6th case, and he had some really bombshell things to say about his experiences with Jack Smith and his team in that case.
Steve Bannon
I want everybody to go to the substack right now. Julie Kelly, you're doing amazing work as usual. Look forward to having you back on here. What's your. You got your substack. What's your social media? Where else do people go?
Julie Kelly
Right. Substack. I also have work on at RealClear Politics. People can find some of my recent reporting there and then of course on x JulieKelly too.
Steve Bannon
Thank you, ma'. Am. Appreciate you, Julie. Great. Julie Kelly, I want to go from the federal cases and what's happening in Washington D.C. i want to go to Sheila Matthews and talk about Utah. Ma'. Am. Cox, the investigation, what in the hell is going on out there? I don't even know how that guy's in charge, but given his disastrous run on social, emotional learning and with these trannies. Talk to me about the investigation and law enforcement out there, ma'. Am.
Sheila Matthews
Well, basically he has been going around meeting with leaders because he does have oversight of one of the largest military budgets in the country and yet he can't seem to solve this case in Utah. So his security is a complete failure of the Charlie Kirk event. I think all eyes are on the Internet, just debating each other when it really should be focused on him and his complete failure in safeguarding a high profile individual and yet he is meeting with foreign leaders. So I think that we have to really put our eyes back on Governor Cox and his investigation. So, you know, he has no evidence. The cameras, we can't even see the perpetrator coming in. We know that there's now a gag order in the case. And the problem I have with him is that he said two things. He first of all said that he surrendered. Tyler Robinson surrendered. And then we find out, no, he didn't. He pleaded not guilty and then he twisted himself in a pretzel trying to tell us how many outfits he switched into. So the information coming from the governor's office is complete garbage. Nobody believes it. Everybody's arguing about it and pointing fingers, and the fingers need to go to the governor because it all stems around his transgender policies, his budget. I mean, you could read the article I put out, but basically he has seen.
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Sheila Matthews
I think he needs to be investigated and I think that Lance Twiggs needs to be arrested immediately because we have no idea where he is. And I think that there is a disconnect between the FBI, what their work is doing and the state of Utah. So I think that Governor Cox is up to his ears in this. The police, the surrender of Tyler Robinson makes no sense. It's all hearsay. And so I think that this entire thing needs to be taken out of Utah's hands. Now, I don't know how that happens, but I could tell you that Governor Cox cannot keep his own state secure and he is going around buddying up with these foreign leaders when he could not even secure a university. And we do not have any time stamps there. It goes on and on. I mean everybody in, in the military, retired military people are questioning this investigation.
Steve Bannon
It's, it's, it's, it's disgusting. Sheila, I want people to read this article. We're going to have you back on, you doing amazing work. And particularly there's something, I spent four or five days out there. I tell folks there's something not right with the entire thing. And I had so many people, including so many Mormons come up to me and say, hey, there's a lot of stuff that's not right in this state. This is a scandal. And with the Charlie Kirk situation and other situations with the trainees. And we owe it to Charlie Kirk in the country, in Charlie Kirk's family. The turning point people and Charlie Kirk to get to the bottom of this. And right now, the way you get involved is put federal charges, I guess on it, have cash and those guys take over the investigation. We'll see. Sheila, where they go to get your piece, where they go to see Able Child, all the great work you're doing.
Sheila Matthews
There on Joehoff.com, he has our article up. It's going to be on the Gateway Pundit, I'm sure this weekend. And ablechild.org you could sign our petition. And we're doing work trying to really reform toxicology and autopsy reports. We just finished up hearings in Wyoming. We had huge success in Tennessee with your good friend Patrick Leahy. And so we need help really from the FBI to take this from the state of Utah. And we do need an investigation of Cox. You know, he's running around the world now, meeting with, you know, the Wall Street Journal and you know, very high end people.
Steve Bannon
Yeah. Because, well, they're also with polis in Colorado. The most dangerous thing, as you pointed out, the social credit score thing, they're kind of put up a like, you know, nice conversations or some crap like that. These are dangerous people and Cox particularly. And that's why, because he's anti Trump and somehow the white, the White House designated him and like in charge of this and the spokesman, big mistake. Sheila, thank you. We'll send everybody over to Abel Child. We'll send them to read the article over at Joe Hoff's site. Thank you, ma'.
Julie Kelly
Am.
Steve Bannon
Steve Robinson, the state of Maine, my great grandfather, a Civil War veteran with the 1st Maine Cavalry and his brother, even one of the earliest volunteers died in the Civil War, the 1st Maine Cavalry. We both had the summary. We were both the Confederacy and the Union. But Maine has a certain type of person that's got a grit and determination. I mean, you know, the, the just an incredible state with incredible people, beauty, wilderness and just tough, just good folks. There's something going on in Maine right now. This guy that's running as a Populist. He is a total and complete phony. He's a trust fund kid. His grandfather worked, was a partner, I.M. pei, one of the greatest modern architects of the 20th century, with one of the most profitable, profitable architecture firms. They did every big building Manhattan. His grandfather actually designed one of the most famous chairs. In fact, I think some of those chairs were actually in President Trump's office in Trump Tower. These. These chairs are legendary. He's a trust fund kid. He went to Hotchkiss. He's sitting there talking about he's a Marine and he's got a tattoo on his chest for the ss this is. And he's crushing the governor. And now, because he got all these journals and he's shown. He's a. He's a. He's an antifa guy. They're trying to. But he's not a populist. This is a total phony. He went to Hotchkiss, one of the most elite prep schools in the country. His grandfather is in probably the most elite architecture firm in midtown Manhattan. You remember the show Mad Men? That's the advertising industry. Take it as the architects. And these are like the top of the line. IM Pei is a legendary. All his partners are multi, multi, multi millionaires. And this guy was also a designer, an amazing designer of huge intellectual property. Brother, what in the hell? Can't. Maine Democrats can't come up with a. I know. Republicans can't come up with a populist. We got Susan Collins. I'm not. I'm not defending, but when Maine tries to give me a populist, can't you give me a real Waterman? A guy that really runs an oyster farm or is really a waterman, not some total and complete phony who's a trust fund kid, Sir.
Steve Robinson
Well, unfortunately, we can't. And part of the reason why is because following COVID 19, we saw a huge influx of people moving to the state of Maine from Massachusetts, from New York, from all of these liberal places because they wanted to get away from cities. They thought they'd come to a rural state, it would be safer. But they brought their politics with them. So in the elections that we've had, 2022, 2024, since the big domestic in migration caused by the pandemic, we've seen hugely warped elections. You've added about another 20,000 or 25,000 Democrat votes to the rolls. These are mostly wealthy, affluent, you know, wine moms and baby boomers who came in and bought places on the coast, and they brought their politics with them. So that has contributed to Democratic margins of victory in our recent election cycles. And if you believe the polling that's come out since Graham Platner's Reddit posts and his Nazi tattoo became news, they seem to be very radical. These are not working class, blue collar Democrats. These are not, you know, friend of the working man Democrats. These are a radical breed of Democrat that are still supporting Graham Platner by a margin of 20, 25 points over Janet Mills, who herself is a fairly radical Democrat. She's voted for the most radical late term abortion law. She's voted for all of the transgender legislation that the advocates want, some of the most extreme policies. Yet she's still not far left enough for Democrats here who are continuing to support Graham Platner. I think that the, the prognosticators, when they were looking at this election and maybe the impact that this scandal would have on Grant Platner, underestimated the extent to which the, the Democrats, even the older ones here in the state of Maine are out for blood. They like the fact that he's a pugnacious fighter, that he offends people. They like the fact that he has been exposed as a member of the Socialist Rifle association and is teaching antifa super soldiers how to shoot, you know, from the prone position at 100 yards. They appear to like all of this and think that he's better than Susan Collins.
Steve Bannon
I want to take a minute and go through this because this shows you where the Democratic Party's going. When you got Mondame down in New York, your investigative report, I want to go back to that violence, teaching the paramilitary groups how to shoot, associated somehow with antifa, proud of this. And that's actually become not just a foundation of support. I actually think it's driven a support. And the governor, remember the governor's the one in the White House, stood up with Trump and said, hey, screw you, I'm all for men and women's sports. And President Trump said, I'm gonna cut you off and everything like that. She goes, I don't care what you do. That's how radical she is. They don't think she's lied. Because he is the perfect example where the Democratic Party's going and it plays into. All these trust fund kids who never had a hick, a hit a lick in their entire life or never had to meet a payroll are so radical. This guy called himself a communist. So tell me about your, your reporting on, on just the association with violence, sir.
Steve Robinson
So in the Reddit comments that he attempted to delete but were recovered and handed out to different reporters because, of course, CNN didn't do any investigative journalism on their own. In this. This was a 800 page PDF of his Reddit comments that was handed to them. I got my hands on it as well. And the first thing that I looked for was his affiliation with the Socialist Democrats of America, which has a thriving chapter here in Maine, as well as his affiliation with the Socialist Rifle Association. And sure enough, he's made comments on Reddit saying, we host range days. I put on a handgun class. He uses the we word a lot in talking about the Socialist Rifle association, so clearly he's a member of that organization. And when we looked through the archive of photographs we have from content that the main Socialist Rifle association has themselves posted on social media, we found a picture of an individual. The face is blurred, but it's unmistakably Graham Platner serving as a range safety officer during one of their days out shooting. And of course, you know, this is America. We have the Second Amendment, you know, more, more power to you to go out and learn how to safely use a weapon. But you'd be kidding yourselves not to acknowledge the double standard here. If a conservative candidate, if a Republican candidate, or if you or me were found to have had a Nazi tattoo and we were leading, you know, 20 strong bands of fellow travelers out into the woods of Maine to practice shooting, I think that the Attorney General and the Maine State Police would be very, very interested in that. But for Mr. Platner, that seems not to be the case. And this really is just a continuation of the charmed life that he's led. As you acknowledge, his grandfather was very wealthy. His father is an area attorney, is really, I would say, the upper class here in the state of Maine. And I think that it's totally contrary to the image that he's tried to portray. And if this does catch up with him, it'll be because he's lying. He's lying about the tattoo, he's lying about his lifestyle. His oyster business is totally fake. And eventually that kind of phoniness will catch up with you. It might be in a general election.
Julie Kelly
Now.
Steve Bannon
This is where the Democratic Party is headed, Steve. We got to bounce your reporting up there. I mean, if it wasn't for you, Robinson, nobody know what in the hell's going on in Maine. Where do people go to your site, sir, the reportage is unbelievable. Because if you got to, if you want to understand Maine, you got to see, go to the Robinson site where.
Steve Robinson
They go, sir, Everything's available@vmainwire.com.
Steve Bannon
Steve Robinson, thank you very much, sir. Appreciate you coming on. Robinson's nailed it. The guy's got a big gap with a sitting governor, a sitting Democratic governor that knows how to win statewide elections. And all this has been everything about the association with violence in ATIFA is only helped in a trust fund kid, a faux populist. Short break. Back in a moment. You know, I didn't know this until the guys at Field of Greens, the doctors and the experts told me about it and then gave me information. It was fascinating. We have two ages, our actual age and our body's internal biological age. Additionally, what I didn't know is I've likely lowered my biological age without even knowing it. Here's the thing. Because Americans eat so many processed and ultra processed foods and not enough fruits and vegetables, many, perhaps most, are 10 years older on the inside than their actual, their actual age. They're ticking time bombs. 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A couple things we're going to work on and go through tomorrow are one, there's now a carrier been sent down. We have an amphibious ready group off of Venezuela with 4000 sailors and fleet marines that has a full contingent of, you know, military aircraft and the launch capability they need from an amphibious assault on air assault to take over, I don't know, the ports and transportation hubs and airports in Venezuela. I think there's been, I think there has been conversations down the hill, not invoking the War Powers act, but at least some conversation where people starting to ask Some questions about the drug interdiction which, because you have two things going on, the drug interdictions on the chemical war that the CCP and others, these cartels are pulling on the United States and the heavy casualties. But does that rate to the level of the type of, you know, you've got law enforcement, then you have paramilitary, now you get full on, let's bring the hammer. There's a lot of discussions about Maduro and what's going to go on there and what's driving this. It's Senator Rubio is all. He's taken this and kind of frozen out. Grinnell and others that think there are other alternatives, but that's fine. Maybe this makes sense, maybe it doesn't. We're going to drill down it overnight. Tomorrow we're going to break that down because there's a lot of kinetic activity in the world, particularly in Ukraine and we've given authorization, quite frankly, for at least the Ukrainians to feel that they've got permission to strike into Russia with long range missiles. We're not going to give them those missiles. People in NATO are going to give them. I'm not so sure that Putin and that crowd, you know, make. That's a pretty find distinction for them. They're going to go, hey, if you're backing these guys and you're doing target acquisitions out of V spotting, you know, maybe you're a combatant in the Middle East. Harats, I'll put it up tomorrow. Netanyahu, it's. I'm inside his head. He's very upset with my use of the word protectorate or client state or vassal state. He says that they're not and they're a free partner. But people over there talking to Qatar, which is the Muslim Brotherhood and Erdogan, who's going to be the security force in Gaza and the United States team of Jared and Witkoff and Marco, Senator, Secretary of State's over there and the Vice president and others are dealing directly with the new. It's a Palestinian state. I hope the evangelicals are writing this down. I hope the Israel first and Tel Aviv. Levin, take your number two and write that down. That's a proto Palestinian state. And Marco went over there today and just said, hey, there is no further development of the west bank. And the West Bank's not going to be annexed by Israel, full stop. And we don't care what the Knesset says because the Knesset tried to embarrass JD the other day and voted, you know, to do it. People are not listening and they need to Listen, the, the Israel first crowd and the evangelicals that back. The Israel first crowd, you guys brought this on. Oh, Ben is so hard. He's so tough. He's so mean. Well, I'm just giving you the facts the way they is. This Greater Israel project of Netanyahu blew up in his face by the President of these United States. And now you got what you got. And you know, they're saying, hey, Hamas has got a. Hamas is a, is a minor player here. Erdogan, the Egyptians, the uae, the Saudis, the people going to provide the troops. Qatar are going to be writing big checks. And look, I got no love lost for Qatar. I think Qatar is the railhead of the Muslim Brotherhood. But, hey, I'm just some schmendrick yelling into a microphone. But we got a problem over there. And part of the problem is there's many people that don't Look, President Trump has a vision of how this is going to work. Jared Kushner did the Abraham Accords. It's kind of more of a business deal and diplomatic deal. His work to date, that's kind of the template. And the President saying, hey, here's what we're going to do. So if you want to go do it on your own, then do it on your own when I say do it on your own. No money, no arms, no nothing. If you're going to do it. Israel first crowd and the Greater Israel Project, which is, I believe, destroyed Israel, and this is why I'm a now, you have to go to a three state solution. And one of those states has to be, wait for it, the Christian state of Jerusalem. We need a Christian state in the Holy Land. You just need it. Make sure 20, 25 years, 30 years from now, everything's kind of sorted, because you got the Muslims going to have their deal and they got it. You got 2 million Palestinians, you got Qatar writing tens or hundreds of billions of dollars of checks redeveloped. You got Turkey as security guarantee. Netanyahu said when JD Was there, well, you know, I got to think about Turkey. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. Yeah, call this guy named Trump at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Put a call into him, get his thoughts on that. He, he, Erdogan, is the head of the security force with Egyptian troops and UAE troops and maybe Saudi troops. We've unwound and we've unwound in two months. What has been in place 100 years ago, when General Allenby and Lawrence of Arabia blew up through Jerusalem to Damascus and drove the Ottoman Empire out of the Middle east out of that part of it and drove them out of Syria, drove them out of Israel, Palestine, drove them out of Egypt, drove them out of, I shouldn't say Egypt. The British had that. Drove them out of Jordan, Transjordan, Iraq in the Saudi peninsula, Sinai in the Saudi peninsula that they have been in for, I don't know, five or six hundred years. The Ottomans played the long game anyway. Much more on that tomorrow. Also more on NASA. Elon Musk, Sean Duffy. This massive throwdown with the heroic Sean Duffy. I love that guy. 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Episode 4877: Jack Smith Should Testify Publicly; Antifa On The Ballot In Maine
Date: October 25, 2025
Podcast Host: Steve Bannon
Notable Guests: Julie Kelly, Sheila Matthews, Steve Robinson
This episode of Bannon’s War Room homes in on several major themes: alleged weaponization of the justice system against Trump and his allies, ongoing legal battles involving high-profile political opponents, legislative and investigative maneuvers tied to the 2020 and 2024 elections, and controversial state and local politics, particularly in Maine and Utah. Bannon and guests emphasize a narrative of ongoing institutional confrontation—"finishing what we started"—and examine the rising radicalism among Democratic candidates, especially with the Maine elections. The episode also features in-depth analysis of federal investigations (such as Arctic Frost and Russiagate), calls for public testimony from Jack Smith, critiques of media and DOJ insiders, and a discussion around the assassination of Charlie Kirk in Utah.
Donald Trump (00:00-01:09 & 04:13-05:09) opens and reappears reiterating that the justice system is being used as a vehicle for political retribution. He calls for strength and faith among supporters, framing current prosecutions as unjust but expressing confidence in eventual vindication and the rule of law.
“My faith is strong… justice will rain down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
—Donald Trump (04:13)
Letitia James (01:09-02:06) is characterized as a victim and martyr by supporters, while critics claim her prosecution is specious and politically motivated.
Steve Bannon (02:06-03:37) repeatedly insists Trump will win a third term in 2028, referencing “divine providence” and dismissing concerns about violating the 22nd Amendment.
“Trump is a vehicle… of divine providence. He’s an instrument… We need him for at least one more term. And he’ll get that in 28.”
—Steve Bannon (02:38)
Constitutional Debate:
An interviewer presses Bannon on constitutional limits:
“Even if you find a way around it… you will end up with a justification for a quasi dictatorship.”
—Host/Interviewer (03:37)
Bannon counters:
“If the American people… put Trump back in office, are the American people tearing up the Constitution?”
—Steve Bannon (03:37)
Narrator/Reporter (05:09-07:32) recounts Bannon's backchannel communications with Trump and speculates on efforts within the GOP to amend the 22nd Amendment.
Bannon infuses apocalyptic language:
"This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we’re going medieval on these people.”
—Steve Bannon (07:32)
Julie Kelly (09:55-14:54), a consistent guest and commentator, updates on the indictments against former officials Letitia James and James Comey, framing them as part of a cleansing process at DOJ and the judiciary.
Leaks and Prosecutorial Resistance:
Kelly claims resistance inside DOJ is due to leaks and insubordination—former prosecutors allegedly leak investigation materials to the press out of opposition to new indictments.
"[Prosecutors] are not supposed to be doing these things… They believe that they run the Department of Justice.”
—Julie Kelly (13:39)
Julie Kelly (18:19-21:53) details Arctic Frost—the DOJ/FBI investigation into alternative slates of 2020 electors. She highlights the surveillance of Republican senators and intense scrutiny of Deputy AG Lisa Monaco, whom she claims orchestrated the investigation.
"Only after the 2020 election did this become a crime in the eyes of then Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco."
—Julie Kelly (18:39)
Senate and House Judiciary Committees have both pressed for Jack Smith (special counsel) to testify, and he has agreed, but insists on public testimony.
"…the American people can see what a dirty, dishonest, corrupt snake Jack Smith is." —Julie Kelly (21:45)
"Things are happening… finally getting some backup from Republicans in the House and Senate.”
—Julie Kelly (22:36)
“I think he [Gov. Cox] needs to be investigated and I think that Lance Twiggs needs to be arrested immediately… this entire thing needs to be taken out of Utah's hands.”
—Sheila Matthews (30:56)
Steve Robinson (36:26-41:59) discusses the Maine gubernatorial race, targeting candidate Graham Platner as an Antifa-linked, faux-populist trust fund kid with a “Nazi tattoo,” highlighting the shift in Maine politics due to COVID-era migration from liberal states. Robinson underscores the radicalization of the Democratic base:
“They like the fact that he is teaching antifa super soldiers how to shoot… even older Democrats are out for blood.”
—Steve Robinson (36:26)
Double Standard & Hypocrisy:
“If a conservative candidate… were found to have a Nazi tattoo and were leading 20 strong bands… the Attorney General and the Maine State Police would be very, very interested.”
—Steve Robinson (39:48)
“We need a Christian state in the Holy Land… Make sure 20, 25 years, 30 years from now, everything’s kind of sorted…”
—Steve Bannon (49:11)
The episode is dense with claims of government corruption, institutional capture, and internal resistance to a pro-Trump political revolution. On the state level, Bannon and guests use Utah and Maine to advance the narrative of institutional rot and radical opposition. International segments tie back U.S. politics to global instability, all delivered in Bannon’s combative, anti-establishment tone. Listeners are repeatedly urged to "stand tall" and expect continued—and even escalating—controversy as the cycle of investigations and counter-investigations unfolds.
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