Bannon’s War Room

Episode 4877: Jack Smith Should Testify Publicly; Antifa On The Ballot In Maine
Date: October 25, 2025
Podcast Host: Steve Bannon
Notable Guests: Julie Kelly, Sheila Matthews, Steve Robinson

Episode Overview

This episode of Bannon’s War Room homes in on several major themes: alleged weaponization of the justice system against Trump and his allies, ongoing legal battles involving high-profile political opponents, legislative and investigative maneuvers tied to the 2020 and 2024 elections, and controversial state and local politics, particularly in Maine and Utah. Bannon and guests emphasize a narrative of ongoing institutional confrontation—"finishing what we started"—and examine the rising radicalism among Democratic candidates, especially with the Maine elections. The episode also features in-depth analysis of federal investigations (such as Arctic Frost and Russiagate), calls for public testimony from Jack Smith, critiques of media and DOJ insiders, and a discussion around the assassination of Charlie Kirk in Utah.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Weaponization of the Justice System

• Donald Trump (00:00-01:09 & 04:13-05:09) opens and reappears reiterating that the justice system is being used as a vehicle for political retribution. He calls for strength and faith among supporters, framing current prosecutions as unjust but expressing confidence in eventual vindication and the rule of law.

  “My faith is strong… justice will rain down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
  —Donald Trump (04:13)

• Letitia James (01:09-02:06) is characterized as a victim and martyr by supporters, while critics claim her prosecution is specious and politically motivated.

2. Trump’s Third Term & the Constitution

• Steve Bannon (02:06-03:37) repeatedly insists Trump will win a third term in 2028, referencing “divine providence” and dismissing concerns about violating the 22nd Amendment.

  “Trump is a vehicle… of divine providence. He’s an instrument… We need him for at least one more term. And he’ll get that in 28.”
  —Steve Bannon (02:38)

• Constitutional Debate:
  An interviewer presses Bannon on constitutional limits:

  “Even if you find a way around it… you will end up with a justification for a quasi dictatorship.”
  —Host/Interviewer (03:37)

  Bannon counters:

  “If the American people… put Trump back in office, are the American people tearing up the Constitution?”
  —Steve Bannon (03:37)

3. Media Narratives, Bannon’s Influence, and Inside Baseball

• Narrator/Reporter (05:09-07:32) recounts Bannon's backchannel communications with Trump and speculates on efforts within the GOP to amend the 22nd Amendment.

• Bannon infuses apocalyptic language:

  "This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we’re going medieval on these people.”
  —Steve Bannon (07:32)

4. Federal Legal Battles: Letitia James, Comey, Schiff

• Julie Kelly (09:55-14:54), a consistent guest and commentator, updates on the indictments against former officials Letitia James and James Comey, framing them as part of a cleansing process at DOJ and the judiciary.

  • She brings up a side-story: Letitia James’s grandniece’s criminal record, implying a broader family pattern and “crime family” ethos.
  • "Shout out" to Lindsey Halligan, acting U.S. attorney praised for standing firm despite “coordinated media attacks,” especially from Ken Dilanian ("Fusion Ken").

• Leaks and Prosecutorial Resistance:
  Kelly claims resistance inside DOJ is due to leaks and insubordination—former prosecutors allegedly leak investigation materials to the press out of opposition to new indictments.

  "[Prosecutors] are not supposed to be doing these things… They believe that they run the Department of Justice.”
  —Julie Kelly (13:39)

5. Arctic Frost: Deep State Investigations & Jack Smith's Public Testimony

• Julie Kelly (18:19-21:53) details Arctic Frost—the DOJ/FBI investigation into alternative slates of 2020 electors. She highlights the surveillance of Republican senators and intense scrutiny of Deputy AG Lisa Monaco, whom she claims orchestrated the investigation.

  "Only after the 2020 election did this become a crime in the eyes of then Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco."
  —Julie Kelly (18:39)

• Senate and House Judiciary Committees have both pressed for Jack Smith (special counsel) to testify, and he has agreed, but insists on public testimony.

  "…the American people can see what a dirty, dishonest, corrupt snake Jack Smith is." —Julie Kelly (21:45)

6. DOJ Progress & Resistance

• Slow but Steady Prosecution:
  Bannon and Kelly affirm that, though progress is slow, indictments are moving forward. Kelly references resistance but expresses optimism:

  "Things are happening… finally getting some backup from Republicans in the House and Senate.”
  —Julie Kelly (22:36)

7. Utah – Charlie Kirk Assassination & Gov. Cox Investigation

• Sheila Matthews (25:51-32:04) criticizes Gov. Cox of Utah for incompetence and failure in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, suggesting “tranny cults,” problems with state police, and contradictions in official narratives.

  “I think he [Gov. Cox] needs to be investigated and I think that Lance Twiggs needs to be arrested immediately… this entire thing needs to be taken out of Utah's hands.”
  —Sheila Matthews (30:56)

8. Maine Politics: Antifa on the Ballot, Democratic Radicalism

• Steve Robinson (36:26-41:59) discusses the Maine gubernatorial race, targeting candidate Graham Platner as an Antifa-linked, faux-populist trust fund kid with a “Nazi tattoo,” highlighting the shift in Maine politics due to COVID-era migration from liberal states. Robinson underscores the radicalization of the Democratic base:

  “They like the fact that he is teaching antifa super soldiers how to shoot… even older Democrats are out for blood.”
  —Steve Robinson (36:26)

• Double Standard & Hypocrisy:

  “If a conservative candidate… were found to have a Nazi tattoo and were leading 20 strong bands… the Attorney General and the Maine State Police would be very, very interested.”
  —Steve Robinson (39:48)

9. International Affairs: Venezuela, Middle East, Israel

• In the closing segment (45:43-50:50), Bannon updates listeners on:
  • U.S. military deployments in the Caribbean aimed at Venezuela
  • Ongoing kinetic activity in Ukraine and the Middle East
  • The unraveling of traditional U.S.-Israel relations post-Abraham Accords, advocating for a “Christian state in the Holy Land” alongside Palestinian and Jewish states:

    “We need a Christian state in the Holy Land… Make sure 20, 25 years, 30 years from now, everything’s kind of sorted…”
    —Steve Bannon (49:11)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Trump is a vehicle… of divine providence.”
  —Steve Bannon (02:38)
• "If the American people… put Trump back in office, are the American people tearing up the Constitution?”
  —Steve Bannon (03:37)
• “Letitia James and her crime family, very interesting side note there.”
  —Julie Kelly (10:28)
• “Lisa Monaco, Orange is the new black baby.”
  —Steve Bannon (17:09)
• “This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we’re going medieval on these people.”
  —Steve Bannon (07:32)
• “We host range days. I put on a handgun class.”
  —Steve Robinson (paraphrasing Graham Platner, 39:48)
• “This guy called himself a communist… he’s lying about his lifestyle. His oyster business is totally fake.”
  —Steve Robinson (41:59)

Important Segments & Timestamps

• 00:00-01:09 — Trump on "weaponized justice system"
• 02:06-03:37 — Bannon on 2028, constitutional debate
• 09:55-14:54 — Julie Kelly on DOJ, Leaks & Prosecutorial Resistance
• 18:19-21:53 — Kelly on Arctic Frost investigation, Jack Smith, and Lisa Monaco
• 25:51-32:04 — Sheila Matthews details Utah investigation, Charlie Kirk assassination fallout
• 36:26-41:59 — Steve Robinson on Maine politics, fake populists, Antifa, and radical Dems
• 45:43-50:50 — Bannon analyzes international affairs: Venezuela, Ukraine, Israel
• 49:11 — Bannon's "Christian state in the Holy Land" proposal

Concluding Thoughts

The episode is dense with claims of government corruption, institutional capture, and internal resistance to a pro-Trump political revolution. On the state level, Bannon and guests use Utah and Maine to advance the narrative of institutional rot and radical opposition. International segments tie back U.S. politics to global instability, all delivered in Bannon’s combative, anti-establishment tone. Listeners are repeatedly urged to "stand tall" and expect continued—and even escalating—controversy as the cycle of investigations and counter-investigations unfolds.

For More:

• Julie Kelly’s Substack: Declassified with Julie Kelly
• Steve Robinson’s site: themainwire.com
• Sheila Matthews/Able Child: ablechild.org

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