Episode 4880: The Fall Of New York; Deport Mamdani

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room, Episode 4880: The Fall Of New York; Deport Mamdani

Date: October 27, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Guests/Contributors: Donald Trump, Naomi Wolf, Political Analysts, Foreign Policy Experts

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Overview

This episode focuses on two core themes: the growing controversy and political consequences surrounding Trump’s possible third-term ambitions, and the looming election of a self-declared "Marxist jihadist" in New York City, Zohran Mamdani. Through analysis, combative rhetoric, and insider perspectives, Bannon and guests discuss the constitutional crisis, the transformation of urban American politics via immigration and radical activism, and wider implications for U.S. domestic and foreign policy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s Third-Term Ambitions and Constitutional Challenge

(00:00 – 05:55)

• Bannon predicts: "Trump is going to be president in 28, and people just ought to get accommodated with that." (00:00)
• Discussion centers on the 22nd Amendment prohibition against a third presidential term.
• Political Analyst: Warns of “a real legal showdown” if Trump attempts to run again; courts would play a decisive role (00:11).
• Trump, asked directly, is coy: “I haven’t really thought about it... I have my best poll numbers... I’m not ruling it out.” (01:29, 02:25)
• Talk of alternative strategies, like Trump running as Vice President, is dismissed by Trump as “too cute. I would rule that out because it’s too cute. I think the people wouldn’t like that.” (03:14–03:17)
• Skepticism among panelists about whether this is strategic distraction from Bannon, or a serious attempt to test constitutional limits: “Steve Bannon is running an angle... It’s a possibility, and we should take that possibility seriously.” (03:32–05:55)

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2. U.S. Foreign Policy – Trump’s Global Tour & Priorities

(05:55 – 14:59)

• Trump's current visit to Asia considered "a stunning success"; meetings with Japanese and South Korean leaders, and potential for a Trump-Xi summit.
• Steve Bannon: Critiques “globalists” who offshored U.S. industrial capacity, especially rare earth processing to China (“knife to our throat”) (08:10, 08:42).
• The China-U.S. relationship is highlighted as a “mortal enemy” scenario, requiring careful interim cooperation but inevitable decoupling.
• Discussion on strategic moves in South America – including support for Argentina’s president and efforts to block Chinese influence (“Monroe Doctrine 2.0”) (13:36 – 14:59).
• Foreign Policy Expert: Laments rising isolationism in U.S. politics, stresses need for democracy promotion and multilateralism:

  “These isolationist tendencies in our country scare me. Reminds me of the 1930s. That’s a disaster.” (05:55-07:34)

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3. Domestic Threats & The ‘Fall’ of New York

(16:22 – 27:38)

• Bannon frames the crisis: The growing influence and rising electoral prospects of "Marxist jihadist" Zohran Mamdani in New York City signal a tipping point for urban America.
• Strong anti-immigrant rhetoric – Bannon claims “all these illegal invaders” must be removed via “mass deportation.” (20:17)
• Demands for denaturalization and deportation of Mamdani, alleging “his citizenship’s totally illegal” and calling him a “Marxist jihadist” (22:30).
• Push for laws against dual citizenship in Congress, with argument that it causes “dual loyalties”:

  “There should be no dual citizenship in the United States of America. You have to pledge allegiance to one nation.” (23:09)

• Claims that foreign-born voters in big cities are driving radical political change:

  “Once they seize control... you're gonna have to take a trenching tool and get them out.” (21:36)

• Predicts further polarization with cities drifting “far, far, far worse” than mere sanctuary-city status and becoming “neo-Confederate operations.” (27:38)

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4. The Mamdani Phenomenon: Political Ground Game and Generational Change

(29:30 – 42:56)

• Bannon & Naomi Wolf: Examine the populist, activist, and Marxist roots of the Mamdani campaign.
• Wolf questions polling accuracy, emphasizes “ground game”—turnout of low-propensity voters is decisive:

  “Modern politics... is all about ground game. It’s about turning out low propensity voters.” (Bannon, 32:19)

• Wolf sharply criticizes NYC GOP inaction:

  “I've never seen a worse bunch of passive cowards... the Republicans who have abandoned the fight, even if it's a tough one in New York City.” (34:09)

• Both agree the right’s only chance would have been an aggressive, unconventional campaign, including legal challenges to Mamdani’s citizenship.
• Wolf articulates broader “Green Red Revolution” thesis: Western elites have shifted from using Big Tech to weaponizing “extremist Islam” to destabilize nations.

  “The globalists are using extremist Islam... to tenderize and destroy the West. And they’re doing it in a very, very, very, very systematic and targeted way.” (37:53)

• Discussion of Mamdani’s focus on affordability for young, disaffected voters, who feel “propagandized” and alienated.
• Bannon presses:

  “He’s Sadiq Khan on steroids... As bad as Cuomo is, Adams and Sliwa never had a shot... So talk to us about Mamdani. Particularly, he's Sadiq Khan on steroids. What's gonna happen when you have a Marxist jihadist?” (35:20, 36:53)

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5. Economic Messaging and the U.S. Narrative

(46:10 – 51:54)

• Wolf compares Mamdani’s tactics (“a chicken in every pot”) to historical tyrants, but notes that NYC mayors lack real power to deliver on such promises.
• Warns that Republicans and Trump must do better in connecting his foreign policy “peace deals” back to voters’ pocketbook issues:

  “He needs someone very forceful... at home to highlight the economic benefits, highlight—have eggs gone down, has gas gone down?” (47:30)

• Bannon agrees:

  “‘You can show the connections... you just have to take the time. You have to do it every day.’” (48:44)

• Wolf suggests Trump’s team (name-drops Monica Crowley) should "run the victory lap" at home, making Americans feel “first among equals” and restored pride in world leadership (49:00–51:54).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Bannon (on Trump 2028):
  “Trump is going to be president in 28, and people just ought to get accommodated with that.” (00:00)
• Trump (on third term):
  “I have my best poll numbers I've ever had ... I'm not ruling it out.” (02:25)
• Trump (on VP run):
  “It's too cute. I would rule that out because it's too cute. I think the people wouldn't like that. It's too cute.” (03:16)
• Naomi Wolf (on globalist tactics):
  “The globalists are using extremist Islam... to tenderize and destroy the West." (37:53)
• Bannon (on Mamdani):
  “He's a Marxist jihadist... These guys are Bolshevik jihadists. Think of that combo platter.” (21:36)
• Naomi Wolf (on NYC Republicans):
  “I've never seen a worse bunch of passive cowards... the Republicans who have abandoned the fight, even if it's a tough one in New York City.” (34:09)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Trump third term/constitutional challenge: 00:00–05:55
• Foreign policy focus: 05:55–14:59
• Bannon’s attack on NYC politics, Mamdani, and immigration: 16:22–29:30
• The “Green Red Revolution” and NYC ground game: 29:30–42:56
• Economic populism and narrative critique: 46:10–51:54

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Overall Tone & Implications

The episode is highly polemical, with Bannon and Wolf blending segments of strategic insight and populist alarmism. While there are factual discussions on constitutional law, electoral mechanics, and global power shifts, much of the commentary is loaded with suspicion, aggressive language, and dire warnings about radical transformation and the “destruction” of the American way of life via immigration, electoral insurgency, and elite conspiracy. The episode closes by advising the audience to stay vigilant, with Bannon promising continued coverage as events unfold.

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Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

Trump is going to be president in 28, and people just ought to get accommodated with that. So what about the 22nd Amendment? There's many different alternatives. At the appropriate time, we'll lay out what the plan is.

[Political Analyst]

So, Bob, the 22nd Amendment, pretty plain as day. It's very clear a person cannot be elected to president more than twice. So what do you make of Bannon's comments? Plain as day. To be sure, the U.S. constitution says two terms only. But what's also plain as day, Tony, is that President Trump is close to Steve Bannon. Steve Bannon is close to people in Congress. And many Republicans want to see the president renominated in 28, despite what the Constitution says. And that could create a real legal showdown. If he is renominated and the President accepts the nomination in 2028, again despite the Constitution, you could have the Congress and the courts really face a standoff over whether this could move forward. And the courts would ultimately have a huge say, perhaps the say over whether that could happen. But we're in such an unprecedented moment when you have the president's allies, some of his top allies, like Steve Bannon, actively tour with the idea of pushing him to be the candidate in 2028 and just see what happens. That's something that could be historic and also troubling for many Democrats who worry Trump's pushing the Constitution, pressuring it in an unnecessary way.

[Interviewer]

Sir, Steve Bannon said in a recent interview that there could be plans for.

[Donald Trump]

You to be able to run and potentially win a third term in 2028.

[Steve Bannon]

Is that something you'd be willing to challenge in court to be?

[Donald Trump]

Well, I haven't really thought about it. We have some very good people, as I've had. I have the best poll numbers I've ever had. I mean, I just solved eight wars, and a ninth is coming. I believe Russia, Ukraine will happen. But we just did. You know, we just left. And when you look at the treaty we just did, that was a war that was. Thousands of people were already shot at the border. And when you look at what we just did was pretty amazing. Pretty amazing. We got a lot of. A lot of good credit. And I really have to thank Malaysia for that, because they really. The prime minister and everybody really helped get the two countries together. But it was. It was quite a great peace treaty. But that was one of eight and makes me feel good. I mean, it's billions of people that we saved. We. I saved the lives of millions of people. That's what's important. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Who are they?

[Political Analyst]

Very good.

[Donald Trump]

People. They are good people.

[Naomi Wolf]

Well, for 2028, they're very good people.

[Donald Trump]

Well, we have great people. Well, I don't have to get into that, but we have one of them standing right here. We have J AD Obviously, the vice president is great. I think Marco's great. I think. I'm not sure if anybody would run against those. I think if they ever formed a group, it would be unstoppable. I really do. I believe that. I would. I would. I would love to do it. I have my best numbers ever. It's very terrible. I have my best numbers. If you read it, am I not ruling it out? I mean, you'll have to tell me. All I can tell you is that we have a great, A great group of people, which they don't.

[Interviewer]

One theory on how you might try to serve a third term is that you could run as the vice President.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah, I'd be allowed to do that.

[Interviewer]

Is it the White House for the White House councils or your legal position?

[Donald Trump]

No, you'd be allowed to do that. But I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it. I think it's. It's too cute. Yeah, I would rule that out because it's too cute. I think the people wouldn't like that. It's too cute.

[Steve Bannon]

It's not.

[Donald Trump]

It wouldn't be right.

[Interviewer]

There's a plan. Trump will be president in 2028. I want to start here. This is the only way for Steve Bannon to get attention right now. Okay. He's out of the loop in this White House. It's not like the first term. And I am seeing on social media a lot of Democrats like clapping like seals and doing exactly what Steve Bannon wants them to do, which is talk about Steve Bannon and his Svengali like, effort to keep Trump in power when he's an 83 year old geriatric. I think that we should look at this logically and look at it strategically, because that's what Steve Bannon is doing. This is. Steve Bannon isn't like letting you guys in on a little secret, that they have a secret plan to keep Trump in power. Steve Bannon is running an angle. Like, this is an angle. This is a bit. He wants attention for himself. He wants to throw this out there in the hopes that things develop that way. And I don't think that we should play into his hands. I think that we should counter it. As I mentioned, trouble E83 in 2029, who knows what'll be happening? That guy's adult brain in. In the fall of 2028, when he's 82 years old, would he be capable of running another race? Would he be capable of overturning? Like, would he maybe just be happy that he got the ballroom named after him? And. And, you know, they're going to mint a coin with his face on it. You know, it's just. It's hard to predict. And that's why the right way to look at this is probabilistically, like, through probabilities, you have a lot of pundits. You're incentivizing the pundit sphere to come on in a moment like this and be like, see, he's gonna do it. Trump is trying to stay in 2028. Or to go out there and be like, trump's ever gonna be able to stay. There's no chance he's gonna stay. Like that is, you know how you make a point on one of those panels with Scott Jennings on cnn, Right. The truth here is that it's a possibility. Like, the right way to think about this is that, can we completely wave this off? Of course not. Is he absolutely going to do it? I don't. Doesn't seem like it to me. Like, who knows? A lot can happen. The future is unknowable. And so you think about this as well. Does it seem like they're going to try? Is it a possibility? Yeah, it is. It is a possibility, and we should take that possibility seriously.

[Foreign Policy Expert]

Looking beyond President Trump, what should Americans hope for in foreign policy? What should the priority be for the next president, given this battle between autocrats and Democrats and the United States shifting role right now within it? Well, that's a great question. And in fact, my book is written for if we're going to be in this new Cold War for decades, my book is written for decades, not just what should Trump do tomorrow? And in my world, there are three big debates, right? Isolationism versus engagement. I'm firmly on the engagement side, and these isolationist tendencies in our country scare me. Reminds me of 1930s. That's a disaster. Second big debate, unilateralism versus multilateralism. Do we just do whatever we want or do we play along with the rules again with our allies? I'm firmly on the multilateral side, and I make the arguments for why we should be. I don't like the unilateralism of President Trump. Short term, sugar high, long term, we alienate the world. And then finally, most controversially, there's a debate between those that say we should promote democracy in the world and those that say that's not our problem. I've looked at 250 years of history, especially the Cold War, and we have been hypocritical from time to time. Don't get me wrong, right? Apartheid South Africa was our allies during the Cold War. But in the long run, I think making democracy promotion a key pillar of American foreign policy has served us well in the past and will serve us well deep into the 21st century. Even if President Trump today disagrees with me.

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[Political Analyst]

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[Steve Bannon]

If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War room Pew your host, Stephen K. Band It's Monday the 27th of October, year of our Lord 2025. President Trump now in Japan and there's going to be. He's going to meet the emperor, he's going to meet the new head of the government. They'll talk to the finance minister, the key meetings. But his trip to Asia so far has just been a stunning success, one after the other after the other. The key to make sure you don't miss it is Scott Bessant. The Secretary of Treasury has worked out a framework. We don't know the details of that in knowing Scott, it's, it's not going to kowtow to the Chinese Communist Party but we do have a inkling that the knife to our throat that is the, the new restrictions, the export restrictions on the heavy rare earth is going to be delayed at least a year and maybe two, which would be a game changer for everything we're trying to work on here in the re industrialization of the United States and should be a object lesson to those globalists who allowed all the processing capability to go to the Chinese Communist Party. So whether it is generic drugs, anything on the supply chain, ball bearings, what have you, component pieces, the Chinese Communist Party is prepared to send a flare up for economic, full economic warfare against the United States. They are our mortal enemy now. It doesn't mean, if you have a mortal enemy, you can't reach some sort of rapprochement, at least on the interim basis. Scott Bessen has announced he has a framework. It will not include us going to 100% tariffs. We don't know what it entails with Taiwan. They have announced that the president is going to meet now Thursday Korea time in, in South Korea that she and the and President Trump are going to meet. So and we will cover this live when we get to specific time, but we assume right now that we're going to be live at approximately 10:00pm Eastern Daylight Time on, on Wednesday night to basically cover this historic meeting. They've also implied haven't been official statements. They implied that President Trump is going to go to China in January to meet with Xi and that Xi would then come back to the United States, either a meeting at the White House and or Mar a Lago. My money would be on Mar a Lago, but and he would do that either in the summer or the fall. So a tremendous amount of what this means, what this trip has really been for President Trump is to engage directly with Scott Bessant with the Chinese Communist Party and make sure that we can work something out. And look, we're the, we're the decoupling faction as we and we think the historical record proves correctly that we should have decoupled and we must decouple at some point in time because they're going to continue to reach for a knife to our throat whenever they can because there are mortal enemy, mortal enemy, the Chinese people, Lao Beijing, immortal enemy of the United States and citizens United States. That being said, President Trump trying to accommodate and trying to balance many things as he tries to bring the Third World War to an end. He's had another peace treaty in Southeast Asia, signed another group of trade deals which were very important in showing the Chinese Communist Party that you can be isolated on commercial relationships financially by East Asia. He's going to Japan right now to send that message. Also he'll be in South Korea even though that's led by a party that is very close to the Chinese Communist Party. President Trump is sending the message whether it's in Kuala Lumpur or whether it's in Japan or whether it's in Korea. He's also announced he's prepared to stay longer. And President Trump, if you know him, is not a person that likes to take long overseas trip, but he's prepared to stay longer to meet with the head of North Korea. The only, the only shortcoming or problem with he doesn't have time to go to the Philippines and Taiwan. Would love to go to Taiwan, but not going to do that, although Taiwan is going to come up in this discussion on Thursday. Just watch. Also, huge wins over the weekend and you got to balance this with what's happening here domestically. But Scott Besant looks like his bet on Argentina paid off. It certainly saved Melaye, right? Absolutely saved him as he, the comeback he had was overwhelming vis a vis where he was when he got skunked in these local elections about a month ago. Scott Bessant properly thought through that this was a strategic deal to support the what the Argentine peso to keep Malay in and keep him in. He did. Now, that being said, we got to balance what these hedge funds made as far as profits off this versus what the farmers are going to get hit with the, with the Argentine beef. Also, we've got to make sure that Argentina has totally cut off the Chinese Communist Party. Remember, all these things in South America right now are strategic in nature about Monroe Doctrine 2.0, about hemispheric defense, about getting the Chinese Communist Party out. But you also have to move with discernment, particularly in places, in places that are on the edge like in Venezuela and Argentina. But the financial bet, Scott Bessant Maiden said, hey, strategically we got to support Malay because we need hemispheric defense. And hemispheric defense, one of the foundational elements of it is, is making sure that we take care of Latin America. We don't have left wing communist pro CCP governments like Lula in Brazil. I know we're playing footsie with Lula right now because of, because of the rare earth. So a lot going on strategically. President Trump, the tour so far is nothing short of triumphant. Triumphant as one stop after the other, either a massive trade deal or bringing wars to an end. President Trump's in Japan. We've got a packed show today. Alex Jones, Laura Loomer, Mark Mitchell, let's get on with it. You're in the war room.

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Welcome back. Okay. Gold is bouncing around a lot, particularly as as the market gets more and more comfortable that hey, maybe President Trump's going to put to bed the trade war with the Chinese Communist Party. He's not totally going to put it to bed because they're at war with us. What he's doing is the best he can do given he's been dealt a terrible hand. The globalists allowed all the processing for heavy rare earths to leave this country on Obama's watch. I know that's just random, right? But on Obama's watch, with Biden as Vice president, the processing for heavy rare earths and magnets, things like that we need for for heavy industrial production, was basically taken apart and shipped because the Chinese Communist Party's bought it for like under a billion dollars. And how did that happen without having a full review? I don't know. Ask Joe Biden when he on the payroll of the Chinese Communist Party, as memory serves me correctly, on the laptop from hell. Yes, the one that the Deep state came out and said was Russian misinformation, which they knew was a bald faced lie. This is why we're calling for and Tom Fitton said it on the Saturday show. It's getting some resonance. It's starting to resonate over the weekend that we need a special prosecutor for all this. You're not going to get to the bottom of the 2020 election. It's just too scattergun. And I keep hearing the reasons. They're just not hiring enough people. I don't know. Part of it may be the government shutdown. I'm sure there's all types of things going on. There's always a main excuses. But we got to get on with it. And a special prosecutor is the only way I know that you can get on with. And that's your report. As Tom Fitton said to the White House, to the Oval Office. Yep, has to happen. It's the only way we're going to get to the bottom of this. So if President Trump is, you know, between Argentina and Brazil and trying to settle the Middle east, if you look at what he's juggling that no President in since FDR and World War II has had to juggle on so many different fronts. With Orban today saying that Viktor Orban, the hero told the EU he's gonna because one country can block things, he's not going to go along with the stealing of the Russian people's assets. That being said, more than ever you need to understand why gold is a hedge against times of turbulence and why it's the new rising asset class for central banks and money center banks. The way you do that, you start off with Texting Bannon at 989-898. The ultimate guide for investing gold and precious metals. Don't forget silver in the age of Trump. But most importantly, what this does is give you access to talk to Philip Patrick and the team. You heard Philip Patrick's brilliance on the Saturday show. If you have not, you should go back and listen to the last half hour of the show. It's pretty amazing. One of the most brilliant guys I know, particularly when it comes to precious metals. With all this going on internationally, we cannot take our eye off the main front. The main front is domestically to make sure that all these illegal invaders exit the country in mass deportation. Because this is their plan is to destroy America internally. Destroy America internally. And to take our eye off the ball of the central fact that between illegal alien invasions and the scamming of these visa programs, they are overwhelming us with people who are not US Citizens, foreigners. This is the Mondami play in New York City. You've got a. You've got a Ugandan citizen. Ugandan citizen that is only been a citizen, a citizen, quote unquote, for six years, who is a Marxist jihadist. He's not a socialist. He's a Marxist jihadist that has a plan that makes no sense. It doesn't need to make sense, because the only point of the revolution is the revolution according to those guys. And he's going to win. You saw him last, I think it was in Forest Hills. 13, 14, 15,000 people. You know, Bernie Sanders is kissing the ring. Omar Aoc is kissing the ring. The governor tried to. That hack tried to kiss her in. Course, they basically boot her off the stage because she's not radical. First of all, she's totally incompetent. But number two, she's not radical enough for him. So it's coming.

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And why? You know, the Israel first crowd, as I warned them, as I warned them, have done nothing but focus on their problem coming from Tehran, which is not the problem. Their problems in London, the streets of London and in New York City. Oh, by the way, 38% of the Jewish voters in Manhattan are going to vote for Mandami. Think about that for a second. So we have a massive, massive problem that's going to be visited upon the United states on what, the 4th of November. And if you think, oh, he's a socialist, he's going to run of money, it's the best thing could ever happen. All the conservatives and bow ties that are telling you that are morons, these guys are Bolsheviks. They're not socialists. They're both. They're Bolshevik jihadists. Think of that combo platter. Once they seize control of the apparatus in New York, they're not giving up. You're gonna have to take a trenching tool and get them out.

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[Steve Bannon]

I think there's a couple ways to do it in advance. Number one, his citizenship's totally illegal. And Annie Ogles and others in Congress are waking up to this fact, but you got to wake up to the fact in dhs, he's got to be denaturalized because his naturalization process was fouled. He's got to be sent out of the country. Also, Randy Fine, who's probably the most, you know, brutal or, you know, out there, Israel first guy has a great. He's put a great proposal up to Congress. You can't have dual citizenship. You can't have dual citizenship and be in Congress. Randy Fine lays it out. He says you got to have allegiance to one country or another, and that's for any country. I got a better one. I'll go you, I'll see and raise you. Randy. There's no, should be no dual citizenship in the United States of America. You have to pledge allegiance to one nation. You pick them. I don't care which one you pick, it's your call. But if to the United States of America it's then to the United States of America. We can't have people here with dual loyalties, dual allegiances. It does not work like that. And you're seeing this now all over the place, particularly the Rising Tide. What you see in Portland, what you see in Chicago, what you see in Los Angeles, what you're seeing is not native born Americans who have no allegiance to this country that are voting in jihadist Marxist into office. If you think this is going to be reversed easily, you are incorrect. Mark Mitchell, you've done some amazing polling on all this. And the tech bros all sit there and think, they just keep, they sit there and just tell us, oh, it's all going to be fine. We're going to live in an era of abundance. It's abundance for them, but it's red in tooth and claw for everybody else. Your thoughts are particularly on Mandami and what he represents when he comes to power. No Mark Mitchell, we didn't get him up. Okay. That's okay. I had a great tee up for Mark Mitchell. Right. That was going back. When you're on the road, it's a little hard to produce these shows. Mark Mitchell's got polling on basic economic populism and how it relates to capitalism today. Economic populism is what the people want, what they're being, what they're, what's being foisted on them is not capitalism, it's corporatism or state capitalism where the prologarchs and the oligarchs get special treatment, special advantages offered up by the state to, or the deep state in order to remain as, remain as monopolist and oligarchs with no competition and they're essentially rent seekers while everybody else kind of, kind of fights for this tiny piece of the pie that's out there. It's not working. You can tell the polling this is why this rising generation, who I've told you is nothing but Russian serfs and what I mean by that is they don't own anything and they're not going to own anything. It's only going to be so long. They're going to stay on the treadmill, right? To say I'm just, I'm running to keep in place. They give me a credit card so I can get into the, into the, into the permission structure of debt. I'm gonna get debt now. I got college debt that I can't pay off now. I'm gonna get credit card debt that I'm going to use all these buy now, pay later, which is just nothing more than being an indentured servant because your current cash income can't support, can't support the lifestyle in the, in the, in the metropolitan area where you have to live because the metropolitan areas where we have, they have to live in, in cubicle culture is so exorbitantly expensive. They're revolting against that. One way they're revolting against that is they vote for mom Donnie, a vote for him right now. They see as a protest, some of them. You saw that crowd last night. And when Mandami gets in, you know, President Trump said, hey, not on my watch. I'm not going to support a guy in New York City that's trying to become, trying to put a Marxist jihadist government into the financial capital world. He says, I'm not going to do it. President Trump's going to take action, I think very, very harsh action to make sure that this does not get, does this not start to seize the institutions of the apparatus of the government of New York City. But you can see from the numbers right now the reason Mondami is going to win is the overwhelming support of foreign born, of foreign born voters. And you're going to have that. As the nation becomes more and more MAGA becomes more and more red. 90% of counties are already support President Trump and MAGA. You're going to see these great metropolitan areas, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland become more and more radical. Not just with, not just sanctuary cities.

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[Naomi Wolf]

Many masses old they are, you.

[Donald Trump]

Lust for.

[Steve Bannon]

Power met their match. I should like to have it said of my second administration that in it these horses matched their master. Let me have it. Okay. Naomi Wolf joins me. She's got a great piece on her substack. How, how is this happening? Naomi, how is this happening? You have a Marxist, first off, you have a Ugandan citizen that's only been naturalized here illegitimately and illegally six years. You have a Uganda citizen, though we don't have any idea where his money comes from. No idea what his real background is, who's running as a Marxist jihadists and is not shy about that. He made excuse the other day on 9 11. Said his aunt, his aunt was the victim because she couldn't walk around in a Burke anymore. This guy couldn't be more in your grill. And so how does a city that flaunts its superiority to the rest of the country and that MAGA's a bunch of rubes and they're this brilliant elite, you know, moneyed elite of both parties, not just Democrats, how are they about to elect the Bolsheviks to take over the financial cap of the world? Ma', Am.

[Naomi Wolf]

Great question. So it's like lightning in a bottle. A lot of things have really come together and the Mamdani administration has done a lot of, I mean administration would have slipped campaign has done a lot of things right. They know their audience. Number one, I don't trust the polls. And you know, in one of my essays I took apart one of the polls. It was cherry picked early on trying to show that he was, you know, the runner. There's no hope. They've been trying to create this atmosphere of invincibility. But notice that no one in the legacy media asked what a head to Head between Mamdani and Sliwa would look like the Republican candidate. And when they finally asked that question, pollster finally asked that question two weeks before election day. It turns out that this whole time, not this whole time, but he was ahead of Cuomo.

[Steve Bannon]

Please stop.

[Naomi Wolf]

So they're not asking the right questions.

[Steve Bannon]

Sorry, did you say please stop? Please stop. Please hang on. Please stop. Please stop. You're in fantasy land. Let's go to the primary. On the primary. Yeah. Now hang on. On the primary I kept saying this guy's going to win. No, Cuomo, he's got, he's got the endorsement of the, he's got the endorsement New York Times. He's got $40 million, got the north of New York Post. He's been to all the right synagogues, he's been to all the right churches, all the, all the, the police, the firemen, everybody prudent. It doesn't matter. The working family party in the DSA are forgotten. 10,000 people canvassing in Brooklyn. Modern politics, from Obama to Trump to Bolsonaro to, to, to Salvini is all about, is all about ground game. It's all about turning out low propensity voters. And he's going to turn it. Curtis Sliwa and anybody that supported Sliwa.

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He's not going to win in New York City. Nobody sat there and said you got.

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[Steve Bannon]

And so now On Tuesday the 4th, regardless of the polls off a little bit on the margins, is there any doubt in your mind that that Mandami is going to win and win with a majority, have a majority vote?

[Naomi Wolf]

Well, first of all, only 26% of the electorate, the electorate that was eligible, turned out to vote in the primary. So you're right that it's all about the ground game. But that's why I think the question of are the polls legit? Is very real. I think if you've got. Yes, I'm going to say, I think this is a toss up. If you've got someone who's 49, I'm sorry, 39 to 46. I think there was an, I'm sorry, there was a nine point difference between Sliwa and Mamdani in a head to head in the latest poll. And four points is the margin of error, as you well know, Steve, that's a five point difference and you can overcome that with getting out the ground game. Now I will put the blame squarely back on. I don't want to say you guys because I'm with you guys now, but there's been literally no help. And for local Republicans running in this race from the Republican establishment, I mean, it's all been grassroots. They don't have any money. They're running on steam. They're trying to get out the vote. If you guys had taken seriously that there was a very real threat, and I would say the threat is as much Cuomo as Mamdani. Are we forgetting the lockdowns, Steve? That was Cuomo's oversight. Are we forgetting the grandma dying in hospitals? That was Andrew Cuomo. Are we forgetting kids out of school for a year and a half and they still can't catch up? That was Andrew Cuomo. He restricted our rights more than any leader of a major city in living history in the United States. Why is this okay with the Republican establishment? Why don't they even fight? I mean, I've never seen a worse bunch of passive cowards, in this case than the Republicans who have abandoned the fight, even if it's a tough one in New York City. And you're the first person who would always say, Steve, going back to the war against the greatest power on earth, which was our American Revolution, that just because an enemy is outsized doesn't mean you don't fight them to the death, metaphorically. So, yes, I think it's possible, but.

[Steve Bannon]

You gotta be public. You have to be. You have to. You have to be logical. As bad as Cuomo is, and he's terrible, the only way you're going to have a shot to win this, first off, he had to do with the unconventional means. I said from the beginning, this guy's not even a legal citizen. You have to go. You have to do everything. Andy Ogles takes a guy from Tennessee to put something forward to just to check his citizenship. But Sliwa and Adams were just a drag on this. If you're going to beat. Listen, Mandami is just not some progressive. He's a Marxist jihadist. It's a whole different deal. The people around him couldn't be more radical. As bad as Cuomo is, and Cuomo is terrible. Adams and Sliwa never had a shot, and Cuomo was never getting out of the race. So you had to get the two other ones out, and they weren't going to go. Adams at the last second, kind of reluctantly, and Sliwa is out there banging the drum, and he'll get his 9% or 10, and. And you'll turn the city over to Mandami. So talk to us about Mandami. Particularly he's a, he's Sadiq Khan on steroids. What's gonna happen when you have a Marxist jihadist? Here's the thing about this kid. He puts a happy face on the tick tocks and you know, dancing around the aisle of, of a grocery store. But he hasn't, he hasn't swerved from his radical underpinnings. I mean, the other day he basically on 9 11. The worst thing happened on 911 was his aunt that couldn't walk around in a burqa unless people gave her stink out. Right. So talk to me about when Mandami is going to do and how you gonna, how are you gonna get him after he wins?

[Naomi Wolf]

It's, it's absolutely insane. Well, first I do want to say I agree with you. One of them, Sliwa or Cuomo has got to step aside for New York to be saved. Marxist jihadist leadership. And I hope one of them does for the good of this country and that beautiful city. So it's very, very serious. My essay the Green Red Revolution on substack really makes the case that the whole scenario that I've been sharing with your audience, you all have informed me about very much for the last, since 2021, which is there's a globalist elite and they're trying to kind of wipe out the west for their own nefarious purposes. And in the past it's been, as I argued, an alliance between kind of Big Tech and the World Economic Forum and China being the kind of driver or cat's paw to do away with the West. And I talked about how pharmaceuticals in other nefarious subversive tactics were being used to tenderize us, to weaken us. Unrestricted warfare is I guess what it's called by China experts. Well, I think that what happened, this is the case I make in my essay is that in 2025 most of the world of the west woke up to some, if not all of those plans and who the evildoers were. So people are investing in gold. They are trying to scale down their surveillance technology items around them. They're trying to, you know, go to natural healers and trying to avoid big pharma and big medicine. They're trying to source their food directly from the farmer. They're kind of trying to get out of the target of that cabal. And that cabal is losing. You've got meloni, you've got, you know, in Italy, you've got alternatives for Deutschland. In Germany, you've got all of these nationalist sovereign nation oriented, anti Immigration parties in the ascendancy in Europe and in Japan you've got a new sovereignist, nationalist, anti immigration leader. And so the globalists are in a lot of trouble. So I think they switched mercenaries. And I hate to write this essay. I love so much about modern Islam. I love many Muslim people. I hate to be kind of finger pointing on the basis of religion, but I had to face the fact, especially looking at what's going on in Britain, that the globalists are using extremist Islam, not every Muslim person, but fundamentalist, kind of tribalist, kind of, you know, medieval Islam, right to, to tenderize and destroy the West. And they're doing it in a very, very, very systematic and targeted way. So you see this two tier policing in Britain, two tier judiciary where native born Britons are being given long prison sentences for, you know, tweets. And meanwhile central London is, is uninhabitable because you've got massive crowds of furious extremist fundamentalists saying death to this and death to that and you know, disruptions of classrooms, disruptions of civil society. I think that it's escalating. I think it's a technique. You see it in Michigan now where you know, Islamist elected officials are basically telling native born Michiganders that their voices don't count. You see, you know, Ilhan Omar saying, you know, my, my country referring to not the United States. You see this escalation of a kind of Islamist empowerment by authorities in the west, including in the United States. Well, I think that's a switching of the weaponry by the globalists. And so now when it comes to Mamdani, I'm getting very, very, very, very frightened because I'm a former political consultant, as I often say. And reading with that hat the last few weeks ste this guy is doing is normal winning politics. You don't keep talking about 911 in a city that was traumatized by, you know, jihadist terrorism in 2001, two weeks leading up to the mayoral election, if you really want to win, you kind of convene everyone around other issues. People were loving the fake agenda of fast free buses, free childcare, state run grocery stores, you know, affordable housing. Even though he can't deliver any of that without horrific damage to the city. But you don't. It's not a winning tactic to say to, you know, to be photographed with piker the streamer who says America deserved 911 or to even give a whole press conference about. The real victim of 911 is his auntie who, you know, didn't want to wear her hijab on the subway. It turns out, by the way, that his auntie is a, an NGO expert in gender rights and reproductive health and all these haram subjects, like forbidden by Islam subjects. She doesn't seem to wear a hijab. She doesn't, you know, she lives in Tanzania, so that, too could be totally fake. But the point is, you don't do that if you want to win. And so what I am seeing is certainly that he's going to win, because I'm sure that the polls are compromised. And there's a whole generation of young New Yorkers, as you and I were discussing before the camera started, who have been thoroughly propagandized. Whether they're Jewish or Muslim or Christian or agnostic or atheist. They thoroughly hear this laundry list, and they think, that is going to solve my life. It's going to give me a mission. Like this thing, you know, this gathering with AOC and Bernie Sanders. They've taken from every trope of the civil rights movement and the labor movement and, you know, a revival meeting. Like everything they could give alienated TikTok generation millennials a sense of purpose and belonging and community. So that is big.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on one sec. Hang on one second. We called you through the break. Naomi Wolf, the Green Red Revolution about to visit the greatest city in the world, New York City. Short break. We rejoice when there's no more. Let's take down the ccp. Okay, let's be honest.

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[Interviewer]

Am.

[Naomi Wolf]

Well, it's, it's very smart and tyrants have promised, you know, a chicken in every pot or you know, free everything forever. And so it's not new. I think it's just that grown up real American politicians know that the mayor of New York City doesn't have the power to provide free childcare to everyone in the city who needs it or fast free buses without billions of dollars in holes being blown into the budget and economic chaos. So I do think that said that the president needs a message team that can explain how Americans are going to benefit, for instance, from peace in the Middle east or the end of the conflict in Gaza, because we do. We benefit economically when we don't have to send, you know, aid all over the world. Sending aid to the Middle east, even to Israel, I will acknowledge, is very unpopular. So he. He should do a better job explaining that, you know, even why. Why does Indonesia matter to us? Why does, you know, why are all the trips he's taking now, you know, really bring help and economic benefit for the United States? Peace and prosperity. It was a good, you know, slogan back in the day. And he's. He's doing it, but he needs to explain it better. And I definitely would agree that he has a little bit of a spotlight syndrome in the sense that if he's zooming around the world, bringing peace and all these conflict regions, which is pretty incredible, and, you know, the hand of the divine is clearly upon him right now, he does need someone very forceful, intelligentic at home to, you know, to highlight the economic benefits, highlight. Have eggs gone down, has gas gone down, or, you know, how many new jobs. Interviewing those workers at those new plants that are, you know, are hiring now. It's a. It's an easy message to run. It's not as glamorous as, you know, jetting all over the world to bring peace with giant numbers of leaders. But I do agree that he needs to tell that story and have someone at home to do it.

[Steve Bannon]

But you agree that you agree, though? I'm not sure anybody but him can do it. But you agree that show the connections between. You can. You can show the connections between Argentina and what's happening here, or bringing peace to East Asia or blocking the Chinese Communist Party, that those interconnections are there. You just have to take the time. You have to do it every day. It can't just be onesies Tuesday. But you explain that and people here will understand.

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[Steve Bannon]

He is taking care of things here because he's. He's settling down. Things that we would get involved in or be dragged into or it costs us money to avoid. Correct?

[Naomi Wolf]

Yeah, totally and respectfully, I would say you do that every day on your podcast. You take incredibly complicated geopolitical and economic issues and tell pretty accessible stories about them to the American people. And, you know, as. As you know, because that's why War Room is popular. You know, the American people are, well, smart enough to follow a good, clear explanation. If someone bothers to sit down, explain it to them. So I, I do disagree that no one else can do it maybe not as well as the President, maybe better. You know, he's not fabulous at telling a very, you know, linear story. He's fabulous at a lot of other things, but he can create. I mean, he's got a lot of talented people on his team. My goodness. A lot of telegenic people, a of incredibly impressive women. I'm actually thinking of Monica Crowley, who would be fantastic at this kind of job, just explaining, you know, the benefit to the American people of what he's battling around the world. And the other thing is, I think he's forgetting to run the victory lap for Americans. You know, I was just reading a book about the 200 year Jewish war against Rome. And whenever the Roman Empire had a giant conquest, they would, you know, build a triumphal arch and have a promenade and a celebration and they would show the booty that they brought back from that conquered area to the Roman people, and they would get the benefit, the political capital of that. Well, I don't see that the President is doing that enough. I'm not saying literally bring home the booty and parade it around, but I think that more language about we are, you know, respected again around the world. We are the peacemakers of, of, you know, again in the world. We are first among equals. We are, you know, America is, has a burnished reputation again after, you know, a long time of being laughed at and mocked and humiliated. I think that would go a long way. You know, we are, we are a city on a hill. I think people are, you know, elected him because they want to feel that again and they can feel it because of what he's doing. It's huge. And there's so many easy stories, like Jared Kushner was saying in an interview that, you know, private business relationships brought about, or maybe it was his colleague Witkoff brought about the investment in Gaza that is, helped to bring about this peace. And I think that what he did with bringing in kind of carrot incentives economically instead of just old school diplomacy is brilliant. Yeah, it's genius. That alone can bring lasting peace and prosperity to the Middle East. But they barely have trumpeted that, you know, we've saved gazillions of dollars because private industry, you know, private, the private sector stepped in to build stuff, you know, so that Palestine will be happy and stop, you know, risking our, our kids going to war and risking other, you know, dying. It's fantastic.

[Steve Bannon]

We got, we have, we have to, we have to bounce. But I want everybody to go to your substack where they get this brilliant article on the Green Red revolution in New York City.

[Naomi Wolf]

Thank you. It's on Outspoken on Substack and it'll be over on Daily Clout as well. And if you like this independent journalism, please do support us. Thank you Posse, for everything. Thank you, Steve.

[Steve Bannon]

Naomi, brilliant. Peace. We're going to closely monitor what's happening on the streets of New York York. Siddiq Khan comes to New York. Short commercial break Alex Jones is on deck. Next in the war room.

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