Episode 4883: Polling Shows Populism Grows On Both Left And Right

Summary

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Episode Overview

Theme:
Episode 4883 of Bannon’s War Room centers on the surging force of populism on both the left and right, with a sharp focus on the transforming political climate under Trump’s second term. The discussion threads through legal and constitutional boundaries, populist realignment, cultural divides, and new polling data on voter concerns—particularly around economic distress and domestic priorities.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Erosion of Legal Norms and Presidential Power ([00:00] - [09:37])

• Trump’s Expansive Use of Presidential Power:
  The legal/political analyst lays out how Trump tests the “rule of law,” deploying troops domestically, using emergency powers for non-emergencies, and personally directing DOJ targets.

  “The presidency to date as a presidency of revenge and retaliation for personal offenses…”
  — Legal/Political Analyst [02:05]

• Rule by Law vs. Rule of Law:
  Trump’s approach, according to the analyst, is not a mere lawless collapse but rather a weaponization:

  “A rule by law, which is Trump’s use of the law to protect his friends, give them pardons, and to punish his enemies.”
  — Legal/Political Analyst [04:06]

• Preparation During Trump’s Hiatus:
  Trump used the four years at Mar-a-Lago and a circle of advisors (Stephen Miller, Russ Vought, etc.) to plot a “blueprint” for rapid, unchecked executive action upon return.

  "I don’t think you can overstate the importance of the four year period where...they are eyeing a chance to come back and sort of have their vengeance and do it the way they want..."
  — Legal/Political Analyst [02:35]

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2. Speculation on a Third Trump Term ([06:06] - [18:52])

• Growing Concerns:
  Both the analyst and Judge Ludic claim that Trump’s power is so unchecked, the prospect of a third term—regardless of constitutional barriers—is now being seriously discussed.

  “There’s no question at all that as of today, Donald Trump has all the power he would ever need to run for a third term and be seated as the next president, whether or not he actually won that election.”
  — Legal/Political Analyst [08:59]

• Bannon’s Defiant Response:
  Bannon celebrates this chaos as “the primal scream of a dying regime,” declaring:

  “Pray for our enemies because we’re going medieval on these people.”
  — Stephen K. Bannon [09:37]

  “Trump 2028. President Trump’s gonna get the nomination. He’s gonna run again, he’s gonna win again and he’s gonna have another whole term to finish what he started, this kind of populist nationalist revolution.”
  — Stephen K. Bannon [18:52]

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3. Polling and Populist Surge on Both Sides ([19:31] - [27:22])

• Domestic vs. Foreign Focus:
  Pollster Richard Barris reports that Trump suffers in the polls—especially with independents—due to a perceived overemphasis on foreign policy.

  “52% said that he is too focused on foreign affairs. Only 19 say that he’s too focused on domestic affairs. I mean, this is overwhelming, guys. [...] They want him to focus on inflation.”
  — Richard Barris [21:55]

• Inflation and Cost of Living:
  Trump’s approval on inflation is “Biden level bad,” yet overall ratings remain mid-40s due to trust and loyalty.

  “The only issue that he’s getting very high marks on is immigration, [...] But it’s all about inflation, Steve. It’s about the cost of living. That’s it.”
  — Richard Barris [24:36]

• MAGA Independents Defined:
  Barris distinguishes this crucial voting bloc—less partisan, not reliably Republican, drawn to Trump’s outsider status.

  "We call them Trump or bust. [...] The Republican Party’s brand before Donald Trump was dust. [...] He revived it. The party has got to get on board with this idea that you can’t win without these voters."
  — Richard Barris [25:25]

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4. Populism on the Left: The Mamdani Example ([30:20] - [41:19])

• Congressman Ogles’ Warning:
  Rep. Andy Ogles alleges Democratic mayoral candidate Mamdani is an illegal Marxist, “a terrorist sympathizer,” unfit for office.

  “I think there is the opportunity to review his status, [...] Therefore, they could revoke it and send his butt back to Uganda.”
  — Andy Ogles [30:20]

• Populism’s Leftward Drift:
  Both Ogles and Bannon warn that Democratic focus on “LGBTQ and climate change” has gutted their appeal to the working class, leaving a vacuum for radical left-wing populism.

• Barris’ Populist Analysis:

  “Mamdani is a warning, Steve, but the warning is that we’re going to get populated one way or the other. [...] We’re either going to end up with left wing populism or we’re going to end up with right wing populism. That’s it.”
  — Richard Barris [38:43 & 41:15]

• "Red-Green Alliance":
  Bannon coins this term to describe Mamdani’s coalition of progressives and immigrant communities, cementing the idea that populism now blooms across the ideological spectrum.

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5. Political Violence and Cultural Divide ([46:36] - [51:51])

• A Rising Tolerance for Political Violence:
  Barris unveils polling data showing the left, and especially trans-identifying individuals, exhibit growing acceptance of violence against political opponents:

  “Half of them think that they brought it on themselves.”
  — Richard Barris, about trans-identifying individuals’ attitudes towards political violence [46:36]

  “Even just your run of the mill Democrats, Steve, are twice as likely to say that they strongly agreed with that statement than the rest of the country.”
  — Richard Barris [47:46]

• Danger Ahead:
  As the left grows fearful of losing elections, Barris predicts that their willingness to see violence as political remedy will rise.

  “The more they lose, the more dangerous they’re actually going to get. [...] This is a huge problem.”
  — Richard Barris [50:31]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “This is the primal scream of a dying regime.”
  — Stephen K. Bannon [09:37]

• “We’re either going to end up with left wing populism or we’re going to end up with right wing populism. That’s it. That’s the trajectory this country’s on.”
  — Richard Barris [41:15]

• “The Republican Party’s brand before Donald Trump was dust. It was nothing. The party was crippled. It was a dying brand, Steve. He revived it.”
  — Richard Barris [25:25]

• “We will fight till they’re all gone. We rejoice when there’s no more. Let’s take down the CCP.”
  — Stephen K. Bannon [43:09]

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Important Timestamps

• 00:00–04:32 – Legal/Pundit perspective: Trump, law, and retribution.
• 04:32–06:06 – Rule by Law explained; trade/national base segment.
• 06:06–09:37 – DOJ data collection, Trump’s third term speculation; Bannon’s reaction.
• 09:37–10:19 – "Primal scream" speech; tension with mainstream media.
• 19:31–27:22 – Barris polling rundown: Americans want domestic focus; who are MAGA Independents?
• 30:20–34:37 – Ogles on Mamdani, left-wing populism, and China.
• 38:43–41:19 – Barris: Populist waves, economic stress, and party realignment.
• 46:36–51:51 – Barris study: Growing normalization and justification of political violence.

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Concluding Thoughts

This episode captures a pivotal moment in American politics, as populism surges across the spectrum and the old party brands crumble. Trump’s second term is painted as both a product and driver of a new era: one where grievances, economic anxiety, and distrust of institutions fuel radical realignment and unrest. As polling shows voters unmoved by global affairs and desperate for domestic solutions, both sides race to court working-class anger and precarious independents, even as tolerance for extreme measures grows alarmingly.

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For further polling breakdowns and political analysis, check out Richard Barris at peoplespundit.locals.com.

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Transcript

[Legal/Political Analyst]

The rule of law and efforts from Trump, supported by a compliant administration, to create workarounds so that the rule of law effectively does not apply to him. Since taking office, the president has tested legal boundaries by deploying troops to American streets, used emergency powers to justify sweeping tariffs even though no emergency existed, greenlit military strikes on alleged drug boats without congressional approval, and told the Justice Department who it should target. The latest officials on that list, former Attorney General Merrick Garland and Trump's former FBI director, Chris Wray. In order to achieve these goals, according to the New York Times, Charlie Savage, Trump follows a two point plan, quote. The first is that Trump has told executive branch lawyers that they may not question any legal judgment that he or Attorney General Pam Bondi already decided. The second is that Trump has been declaring that as president, he has determined that the factual and legal scenarios exist that are necessary for him to exercise, exercise various extraordinary powers, the president's campaign of retribution. And he seemingly has found enough officials in the Department of Justice and U.S. attorneys to carry out his bidding. Yes, I consider the presidency to date as a presidency of revenge and retaliation for personal offenses against the President, I.e. personal offenses, in his view, committed by his political opponents whom he now calls his enemies from within. But this prosecution of the former FBI director is part and parcel of the same plan for revenge and retaliation against all of his political enemies. And that plan is now underway and we've not even begun to see the end of it yet. As you know, the President has accused former presidents of treason and, and everyone else in the Democratic Party of, of wrongdoing against America, I guess. How planned out was it really? Yeah, I think it's important to look at the Four Year Interactive where Trump is not in office and he's at Mar a Lago. He's sort of stewing over what he views as, you know, his false claims about the election. But he has a lot of folks around him, Stephen Miller, Russ Vogt, a number of others who spend that four year period determined to have a playbook, a blueprint the next time that will not be stopped if he gets back in by all sorts of all sorts of forces that stymied them in their mind unfairly in the first term. And Trump, I would say, had his own ideas for what he wanted to do when he came back in. But he was given so many of these ideas by the policy advisers that are now in the White House. You know, someone told me that when they went down to Mar a Lago to see him on after the election, they were stunned at how many executive orders? Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of them. And all sorts of plans they had stacked up ready to go. I mean, I don't think you can overstate the importance of the four year period where he's out of office and you have all these folks around him who really are eyeing a chance to come back and sort of have their vengeance and do it the way they want to do it this time. And I think also, you know, Trump is a much more savvy president, I think, this time, and how the government works. I mean, in the first term, there were lots of things he did not know how to do, he did not want to touch. He was told by John Kelly, by Don McGahn, by a number of advisors in the first term, you can't do that. And this time, his modus operandi is, I'm going to follow my instincts. I'm going to do what I want, you like it or not. And I know how to do it, or at least have the people around me this time in the administration who can execute it. What happens when a president no longer recognizes the law as a limit, but as a tool? It's very bad. I mean, we've seen that the President is what. Look, a lot of people frame this as like a sort of a breakdown in the rule of law. I understand that. I think that there is a slightly different way of viewing the situation which I think is helpful, which is a rule by law, which is Trump's use of the law to protect his friends, give them pardons and to punish his enemies.

[Congressman Andy Ogles]

Right.

[Legal/Political Analyst]

So what that means, though, is like for the rest of us, we go about our days, the law basically feels the same to us. Right? Same things we thought are illegal are still illegal. We can get away with certain things and not certain, certain things. But within this particular class of people that the President has chosen to point his attention to, they get punished for preferential treatment depending on his whims. It's not the way that the government is supposed to operate. Under the historic trade deal with the Prime Minister that I signed today and private sector agreements that were signed moments ago, we'll be increasing our commerce very, very much further. Japan is going to be investing $550 billion into the United States. And it's an amazing thing. And they're happy and they're going to, they're going to love it. It's going to be really good. It's going to be a great, great for everybody. But building up an allied industrial base and, you know, one of the Things that makes me so happy is they'll be taking some of our product. Japan has. I don't think I'm saying anything that's very secret. They've been typically slightly closed as a country. Was it not easy to come in? But they're taking some of our cars and some of our. A lot of our different things, rice, which is actually a big deal, because, as you know, they wouldn't do that. And they're taking corn and they're taking the Ford 150 here. The big thing, some of our cars. So it's really a great thing. It's going to be great for them. It's going to be great for everybody. What's the best strategy against what you.

[Richard Barris (Pollster/Analyst)]

Think Trump is doing here?

[Legal/Political Analyst]

So I think it's twofold. I think, number one, it is for there to be public awareness, right. So that we can pre. But the misinformation and the disinformation that he is going to spread to try to create an environment that allows him to create mischief. Like I said in 2026. The second thing, though, is we need to broaden the aperture. You know, in your last segment, you talked about privacy and. And the fact that they're building a national database. Well, my law firm is also involved in a case in six, I'm sorry, in eight cases where the Department of Justice is trying to collect voter data on every single American. Every single American who's ever registered to vote. The Department of Justice is trying to collect that data from all 50 states. And why are they collecting that? They're not collecting it to make elections easier. They're not collecting it to make people safer. They're collecting it because as they head towards 2026, they want to be able to weaponize that data along with a lot of other information that they've collected for a lot of bad reasons, including to try to make the 2026 elections less free and fair. So what we need to do is we need to be prepared for that fight. We need to stand up tall to litigate against it. But most importantly, we need to know it's happening so that we can explain and contextualize this to our friends and our families, our clients, our customers, our bowling partners and our bridge partners. But tonight, I'm more confident than ever that the friendship between the United States and Japan is strong, as strong as it can be, and it's thriving, it's prosperous, and it will soon be, I think, greater than ever before by figures like Steve Bannon, who, again, mileage varies on how seriously to take his media strategy, but that is sort of infiltrated. Actual conversations with real people such as yourself. Concerns the question of whether Donald Trump will in fact try to be president for a third term. Where are you on that question? How do you see that threat? Well, that question, whether Donald Trump will attempt to succeed himself in the presidency, is on the minds of virtually every American today, only 10 months in to his second term. There's a reason for that. President's been in office approximately 10 months now. He began talking about a third term two months into that 10 months. And he and his allies and supporters have continued to talk about it up until yesterday when the president himself spoke to the issue and Steve Bannon also spoke to the issue. During that 10 months, Donald Trump has seized, he has sought and he has actually seized near absolute unchecked power in the United States. That is unchecked by either the Congress or the Supreme Court, the several states or the media itself. There's no question at all that as of today, Donald Trump has all the power he would ever need to run for a third term and be seated as the next president, whether or not he actually won that election.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people.

[Legal/Political Analyst]

The people have had a belly full of it.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but.

[Legal/Political Analyst]

You'Re not going to stop it.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's going to happen.

[Legal/Political Analyst]

And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

[Richard Barris (Pollster/Analyst)]

MAGA I wish in my soul, I.

[Legal/Political Analyst]

Wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

What is my purpose? If that answer is to save my.

[Legal/Political Analyst]

Country, this country will be saved.

[Richard Barris (Pollster/Analyst)]

War ROOM here's your host, Stephen k. Ban.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Tuesday 28 October in the Overlord 2025 while President Trump continues on this kind triumphant tour of our allies in in Asia. Although there is some controversy and some fighting behind the scenes of what's going to happen with this China situation, Soviet's going to join me in the second hour. We're going to break it all down. Plus a brilliant article in Unherd today. That's the British publication, but covers MAGA quite closely and covers the United States quite closely from a kind of a British perspective. A really brutal article on Marco Rubio and the neocons in this collection of Marco's donors down in South Florida that are driving this issue In Venezuela, we'll get to all that. Also, you know, yesterday Comer and I realize he's no, we're no big fan of his efforts because it's usually a lot of talk and very little action. Although he does discover good things on the Biden during the Biden, you know, regime. He did a good job in oversight and least coming up and getting some information. Now he never executed on anything and that was a huge problem. But you got Ludic, you have all these guys, you know, Mark Elias, they're all sitting there about how Trump is so terrible and how Trump's a dictator. The House Oversight Committee ruled yesterday that none of the executive orders are pardons executed by the auto pin are legitimate. And this is what I said for years on this show about the illegitimate Biden regime and we haven't even gotten to the part of showing and adjudicating how they stole the election. But I said the liabilities here in the, in the chaos and confusion is going to cause in the American legal system are going to be monumental because this guy was not a legitimate president. And now we've had the house of just not war room, you know, banging on the table, yelling into the microphone. They've deemed that, that the auto pen. And there's a story in the Europe Post absolutely brutalizes people around Biden for what he actually knew at the time. He had like an index card written down that none of the pardons and none of the executive orders that he wrote with the auto. The sign with the auto pin are legitimate and have to essentially be unwound. We're going to see where that goes to the House and what's going to happen with this. But this is monumental. And referrals over to the Justice Department like this afternoon, just absolutely huge. You heard Ludic there and Ludic, the reason he's on TV this morning, the Atlantic magazine, Ludwig is doing, I think a seven part series. One's going to drop every couple of days about President Trump's his additional term or his next term. Not this term, his next term. Trump 28 and Ludic, it was tipped that Ludic was going to be oh, this is can't happen. You know, this is against the Constitution. You heard him right there that President Trump because of the implementation of his Article 2 powers. And this came from Josh Dawsey had it the years in the wilderness where the Russ votes, the Stephen Millers, the Dr. Roberts over at Heritage, the Senator Demintz and Mark Meadows over at cpi. All these, you know, Brooks Rollins team at America First Policy Institute, all these groups came together. The third think through what Trump's second term would be after the victory, the precinct strategy, turning point, all the other grassroots organizations would take care of the politics. But you had public intellectuals in those four years come up with a very detailed plan. That's where we hit the deck plates running. That's why you could flood the zone with real executive orders, ones that we held up in court. And so they're overwhelmed by that. But as President Trump steps into the decision, which is many people, most people can't do, he steps into the decision and drives the action. 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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Movement by figures like Steve Bannon, who.

[Legal/Political Analyst]

Again, mileage varies on how seriously to take his media strategy, but that is sort of infiltrated actual conversations with real people such as yourself. Concerns the question of whether Donald Trump will in fact try to be president for a third term. Where are you on that question? How do you see that threat? Well, that question, whether Donald Trump will attempt to succeed himself in the presidency is on the minds of virtually every American today, only 10 months in to his second term. There's a reason for that. President's been in office approximately 10 months now. He began talking about a third term two months into that 10 months. And he and his allies and supporters have continued to talk about it up until yesterday when the president self spoke to the issue and Steve Bannon also spoke to the issue during that 10 months. Donald Trump has seized, he has sought and he has actually seized near absolute unchecked power in the United States. That is unchecked by either the Congress or the Supreme Court, the several states or the media itself. There's no question at all that as of today Donald Trump has all the power he would ever need to run for a third term and seat, be seated as the next president, whether or not he actually won that election.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Oh, he'll win the election, Judge. So make sure you're, you're comfortable and make sure put that into your equation. Trump 2028. President Trump's going to get the nomination. He's going to run again, he's going to win again and he's going to have another whole term to finish what he started, this kind of populist nationalist revolution. Barris, you're here for kind of a reality check on some of the numbers, particularly domestic, where focus or refocus has to be. But that part right there with Judge Ludic or Ludic talking about President Trump in the inevitability of Trump 28. Sir.

[Richard Barris (Pollster/Analyst)]

I'm listening to Ludic, Steve, and thanks as always for having me. But I'm listening to him just laughing behind the scenes over here because over the weekend we heard about this a lot. So nothing presently will drive a Democrat more crazy than listening to Steve BANNON Talk about Trump 2028. It's hard to stay professional when this happens, but it's hilarious. And despite all of the crap I'm about to give the president right now, which I am, he would still win and he would win because in the voters minds he is still by far are the best that America has to offer right now to lead the country. So, you know, all of the hard, you know, the hard time I'm about to give him, it's important to remember that they still trust him to job more than they trust anybody else, bottom line.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, two things for we get into. Before we get into the details, the New York Post has a amazing story about a Democratic think tank. It was the lead story this morning on the Post. It just said, hey, you've so destroyed your brand with working class folks that you basically have pitched yourself to the credentialed class and there's not enough votes there to win national elections. In fact, they said that you're. This is the Democratic Party. Their obsession with LGBTQ and climate change got in the way of the issues of economic populism. This is one of the reasons that Mandami, who's a Ugandan citizen, a Marxist jihadist, has put a little bit of lipstick and talk about affordability and thrown in some, some populist policies, none of which he can execute as mayor, to really get people's attention. But you see that people look at President Trump's issues set and the way he's executing on them. Of course he's going to come back. But there is this thing about focus. President Trump has spent an awful lot of time in the first term on geopolitics, national security, international affairs. One of the reasons is people in the media doesn't report this. We're in the middle of the Third World War, kind of an economic war, China and a kinetic war on in the bloodlands of Ukraine and also in the Middle East. That being said, you're one of the best pollsters for the MAGA movement and I know the White House listens to you closely. Walk us through. This is a reality checker where focus has to be. So walk us through it.

[Richard Barris (Pollster/Analyst)]

Yeah, if we can get the first graph, I chose to go in this order because later when we look at approval and the rest of those numbers, it'll make more sense. So this is the headline of the poll here, Steve. Americans, and that includes maga. And by the way, this number is even worse with independence. They think that the administration is focused too much on foreign affairs and not on domestic part policy. We constantly hear things like, he was elected to fix Biden's economy. What is he still doing? You know, you know, talking about Israel, talking about Ukraine. I thought that war was over by now. I thought we were going to end that war by now. There is too much focus on foreign policy. And this is what I would tell the White House because I wasn't Mr. Popular over the weekend. But it's just true. You are never going to convince Americans that whatever is going on in Israel or whatever is going on in Eastern Europe is more important than whether or not they can afford eggs at the grocery store. They want you to refocus all your, all of your efforts on the domestic economy. We all understand, we all know politics, and we all understand how much the President's role is steeped in foreign policy. We get that in foreign affairs. Basically, the nation's chief diplomat. But the bottom line here is they elected him for a domestic agenda, Steve. And if they don't hear this message soon, it's not. It's gonna get even less pretty than it is right now. So what you see on the screen of people aren't looking, 52% said that he is too focused on Foreign Affairs. Only 19 say that he's too focused on domestic affairs. I mean, this is overwhelming, guys. And by the way, it's worse with independence. If you just look at Republicans, it's still in the 40s. If you look at MAGA independence, it's 58%. And that's why his numbers are hurting with independence right now. They want him to focus on inflation, which, by the way, if we can we pull up the next graphic? And then this is what. Actually, yeah, I mean, it's a little bit out of order, but you could see this. This is his approval with issues, his overall approval. I'll just, I'll just spill the beans now. It's still in the mid-40s, which honestly stunned me, considering the numbers with the issues. Look at his numbers with inflation and cost of living. I'm going to say this, I don't like saying it, but I have to because it's true. That's Biden level bad. The numbers that he's getting on inflation right now is Biden level bad. The only difference is that Biden's overall approval was drugged down further. Trump's is not, it's not falling into the, the 30s. It's not fall, you know, it's not even falling to 40, which means the American public are giving Donald Trump, they're giving him a lot of leeway. They're holding, they're giving them a lot of latitude, a lot of grace for, for the President. But he's got to refocus soon, otherwise these will get worse then. By the way, the only issue that he's getting very high marks on is immigration, and that's Great. And it's actually the, the top, it's in the top three for most important issues, for independence. But it has fallen to number five now because sometimes the way the American voter works, folks, you fix a problem or you start to address a problem, and it falls as far as the level of concern that they have for it. Right. If Trump went in and fixed the economy, the economy would fall too, if he, if he made, you know, greater, greater gains with, with economic growth. So that would fall. So it's just the nature of how voters are. But it doesn't mean they don't appreciate it. But it's, it's all about inflation, Steve. It's about the cost of living. That's it. That's what they want. The vast majority of the White House to spend their time on.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The inflation, though, is under 3%. I understand. And we used to say this during Biden. It's cumulative. So it hasn't been solved yet. What are people. And by the way, what is a MAGA Independent? Define that for the audience. Go back to that chart.

[Congressman Andy Ogles]

Yeah.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

When I look at a MAGA Independent, what's the definition of that?

[Richard Barris (Pollster/Analyst)]

So we, we, for us there obviously independents who voted for Donald Trump, but there really is a section of independ. They don't vote that much at all. And in the Trump era, they have come out for Donald Trump or maybe they're, they're even newer. Maybe they just came out for him in 24. They don't vote for Republicans. It's very difficult to get them to vote for Republicans. By the way, look at a state like Michigan. Mike Rogers lost because he, he did not do as well with independence as Donald Trump. There is this group of, of the public, and sometimes they'll even say they're a Republican, but if you look at the registration, they're not. And they, we call them Trump or bust. Right. But the part that's independent is, you know, a gauge that we follow closely because this is really the difference between Trump's margin everywhere and Republicans down ballot. It's why Mike Rogers lost the Senate race in Michigan. It's why McCormick barely won in Pennsylvania while Donald Trump just coasted. So these voters, which a lot of people are trying to tell me now don't exist. It's unbelievable. The sole focus of the Republican Party is to convince these voters, or should be to convince these voters that they are becoming more like Donald Trump. Not that Marco Rubio is having fun with his donors and foreign policy and meddling with everything and making Donald Trump More like the Republican Party. The Republican Party's brand before Donald Trump was dust. It was nothing. The party was crippled. It was a dying brand, Steve. He revived it. And the party has got to get on board with this idea that you can't win without these voters. You will never perform like Donald Trump. Even in a state like Texas, for instance, he does much better with independents and he does much better with non whites. They redrew that entire map to be based off of Donald Trump's performance. Well, you didn't perform like that. So we opened up this can of worms and I get that and it's fine. But it don't. You can't expect down ballot to perform like Trump because they don't just don't trust the party the way that they trust him.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Richard Barris (Pollster/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Congressman Andy Ogles]

I mean, when you look, I mean, literally, you know, I have a copy of like the forms that she would fill out and if you don't fully disclose in your naturalization forms, you know, your past associations, anti American, American leanings, etcetera, they can revoke your citizenship. And I think the DOJ needs to look into this. And I think there's, although it's in the kind of the 11th hour, I think there is the opportunity to review his status, to look at his forms, to see that he was actually aligned with the communist Marxist organization that's very anti American, that would have disqualified him from being a citizen. Therefore, they could revoke it and send his butt back to Uganda. I mean, this is, you know, I sounded the warning back in June and I'm saying, hey, we've got last second shot here to save the city of New York. This is going to be disastrous. Let's be honest. He's talking about free, free, free, free. He's going to tax the rich. Guess what, the rich are going to move out of New York, they're going to move to Florida, they're going to move to Tennessee, they're going to move to Texas. We're going to be the beneficiaries of all that, that investment wealth. Meanwhile, the New Yorkers are going to be left holding the bill, footing the bill for this communist.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

What did, when you came out in June, did the DOJ reach out to you? Did anybody reach out?

[Congressman Andy Ogles]

We hadn't heard, you know, anything in details. And obviously if they're doing an investigation, it would be normal for them not to respond. But that being said, you know, we're raising the flag again, you know, creating that sense of urgency that, you know, this, this is a serious situation and he's making promises at the end of the day that he can't keep to the, to the city of New York. And it is going to be absolutely disastrous. And so, and look, quite frankly, if New York elects this guy, they're going to get what they deserve. And I think it helps the Republican Party. I think this is testimony to the fact that the Democratic brand is in absolute disarray. They do not have a message, they do not have leadership. And when the best you have to offer is mom Donnie, who is a communist in aoc, who is also a communist, a Marxist, anti American, she's likely going to be on the ticket for them, for the, for the White House going forward. I, and again, I think it's testimony to the fact they are a failed party with a failed message. The Biden administration was an absolute disaster, and which is why I've been pushing for President Trump to have a third term because we, it's going to take time to undo the damage caused by the Biden regime.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We're, we're going to be in touch with some DOJ officials. So we'll make sure, I think they should do it, it and put it on notification that it's under review at minimum before election day. So people in New York understand the guy you're voting for may not be able to hold the office. But in any case, shortly after election day, if they haven't had a chance to get to it, all they got, they've got to revoke his citizenship because it was given. He lied about most basic stuff. You can't have association with these people and become an American citizen. And clearly saw yesterday where he lied about his aunt.

[Congressman Andy Ogles]

Aunt.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

You know, he smeared the victims of 911 by saying, hey, his aunt was bigger because she couldn't wear a hijab on the subways. It turns out she's living in Tanzania, I think it is. And not even, not even in the United States. Just the guy's a stone cold liar. Right on, on very basic, fundamental things. Congressman, you've been to forefront of so much. Something very disturbing. Semaphore reported it yesterday, last night about what's going on, these negotiations with China. You are, I would say, one of the biggest China hawks in Congress. You are a, you're almost a decoupled guy with us. Take down the ccp. They're saying that China hawks are taking a back seat in these negotiations. And since the CEO of Nvidia said, hey, it's, it's not a badge of honor to be called a China hawk, it's actually a badge of shame that, you know, questions about Taiwan, questions about, about all types of things related to confronting the Chinese Communist Party going to come up in these negotiations. What are your thoughts? You're one of the leaders of the China hawk wing of the Republican Party. What are your thoughts on this?

[Congressman Andy Ogles]

Well, you know, I sounded the alarm on Biden's cognitive decline. I've sounded the alarm on Mamdani being, quite frankly, a terrorist sympathizer. And I'm sounding the alarm, like others have, that China is an existential threat to the United States of America. They see us as their enemy, whereas we're a Starbucks society and that we're always looking at tomorrow. The Chinese, they look at it in terms of dynasty. So they're planning out 100 years. And that is the stark difference is they're they, they have commingled our economies. They've tried to make us overly dependent on them. We saw during COVID with the supply chain disruptions that we were overly dependent on China. If for no other reason, for diversification of one's portfolio, we need to be less dependent on the, the China supply chain, whether it's India, whether it's countries in south and Central America. There's ple plenty of opportunity and plenty of places we can go so that our portfolio or supply chain portfolio is diversified. That makes common sense. So whether it's a natural disaster, whether it's some sort of regional conflict, we can't be overly dependent on one country. And when we know that literally. So I'm on Homeland Security, I'm on the Cyber Subcommittee. We literally, we have these intrusions, we have these attacks from China into our critical infrastructure on infrastructure, literally on a daily basis. Why are we in bed with these guys? They're trying to undo our economy. They're trying to subvert our government. Meanwhile, you have some of these corporations that are dependent, wholly dependent on the Chinese government.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

You were one of the first individuals, I might add, also that warned about the knife to the throat of the heavy rare earths and how it could affect, how it could affect production runs. Congressman, honored to have you on here, by the way. I think voices like yours, you're very prescient. You're always ahead of these issues. I think we need a voice like you in the Senate. I don't know if that's, I don't know if that's on the horizon, but let me just toss it out there, Ogles. Let me just throw it out there. How could, how can people go ahead?

[Congressman Andy Ogles]

Well, I will say that, you know, if Marsha Blackburn were to win the governor's race, it would actually be an appointment to fulfill her term. So maybe that's in the cards, who knows? But that being said, you know, we do need, I think, more fighters in the Senate. So whomever might get that if Marsha, Senator Blackmun were to, to defeat John Rose or vice versa. That being said is, you know, we need kind of that Freedom Caucus voice in the Senate that really becomes a conscience of the Senate and the American people, quite frankly, because right now we dominate in the House and we're a loud voice. But that being said, we need more of that and kudos to our fighters in the Senate over there. But reach out to me, go to my official on Twitter X andyogels. I'm easy to find, but I appreciate all that you do. And quite frankly, for holding the line, you and I take a lot of arrows. We get attacked a lot for saying those things that need to be said. And quite frankly, that's okay. That's why I signed up for this show.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

That's okay. Congressman Ogles, thank you so much, brother. Appreciate you.

[Congressman Andy Ogles]

Absolutely. Take care.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Had Ogles back on Breitbart radio a decade ago when he was just a local official in raising holy hell down there in Tennessee. Barris, give me some more numbers here. Ogle sends a warning shot on the Ugandan and think about that for a second. 25 years after 24 years, after 9, 11, we're about to, they're about to elect. This is how left wing the Democratic Party is. This is how, you know, this is how dangerous they are. They're going to elect a Ugandan citizen who's, who's, who's a, who's a Marxist jihadist, lied on his forms to get naturalized. We have no earth idea where his money comes, comes from. We think a lot of it comes from Qatar through the, through the mother of the mother's family. And they're going to take over New York City and they ain't going to give it up. This is why President Trump, you have a list of what, what you're saying your analytics of the electorate right now are telling President Trump where the focus has to be.

[Richard Barris (Pollster/Analyst)]

Yeah, it's exactly right. And Mamdani is a warning, Steve, but the warning is that we're going to get populated one way or the other. I mean, this is something the Republican party also has to come to grips with. Mamdani's winning because he is a resurgence of left wing populism that's dangerous because it comes in the form of communism, which ends with us lined up against the wall. But that's the reality. I mean, that's what voters wanted. Cuomo wasn't populist enough. They had enough of what he was as governor. I mean, he lost his primary for a reason. I just want to say this too. Those rich people, people that Congressman Ogles was just talking about, I don't want them in Florida, I don't want them in North Carolina. They've been bankrolling this for years. If you just look at securities insurance, which is the industry from Wall street on OpenSecrets.org Folks, this isn't hard. They, you know, the New York financial class has been bankrolling Democrats and these ideas since Donald Trump came down the escalator. They had a brief reprieve and, and back Mitt Romney. Romney or to some degree, they basically hedged their bets that year. But they've been a part of this, They've been responsible for this. So I mean, I, I don't have many, you know, many tears to cry for them. But you know, the, the bottom line is that people are, are thinking about voting for somebody like Mimdani. Because I mean, if you look at that chart, if you put it up right now, you'll see these are all pocketbook issues and cost of living, inflation, can I get a better paying job. Even health care care, which has been a number five, number six issue for years, it's back in the top three now. Which, I mean, the reason why we do rank distribution like this is because it gives us a deeper understanding of not just one issue, that's the number one issue that people are voting on, but a much deeper understanding of what issues collectively are circulating in people's minds when they go to, you know, to pull that level, fill in that bubble. And they're all economic issues, Steve. I mean, this is, I mean the, the, the good news is, you know, that that study that you cited, I, I reviewed actually, you know, climate change, the environment, all of these woke issues that the Democratic Party chose chooses to focus on, they're way down at the bottom. But somebody like Mandani caught fire because he did. He struck a nerve. He's talking about the issues that, that people want to hear right now. And we may not like the, the solutions from him but again, the end, at the end of the day, I think corporate Republicanism, corporate Democratic, you know, whatever that, that those parties are dead. They're gone though. They have gone the way of the dodo, you know, and we're either going to end up with left wing populism or we're going to end up with right wing populism. That's it. That's the trajectory this, this country's on.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

What he puts a veneer of populism on it and talks about affordability, but he's really, if you look at him, he's really a Marxist, right? He's a Marxist jihadist. He's, he's the Red green, he's the Red Green alliance. And that's why he's got, he's dominating because he's got progressives and clearly he's got 38% right now and maybe the numbers are going to be wrong on election day. He's got 38% of the Jewish vote. He's got the overwhelming majority of the foreign born vote. This is where all these immigration, all the illegal aliens and particularly all the H1Bs, it's all coming home to roost. You just got to face reality. And in these big cities, it's going to be Mondami's, it's going to be Mondami's. Policies, policies. Before we let you bounce anything else you got, Richard? This, this, what is this study coming out because the numbers are shocking. It just shows you what President Trump, these are his core issues. Just a little more refocus on this after he finishes stopping the third World War will have tremendous benefits. What else, what else do you think is important?

[Richard Barris (Pollster/Analyst)]

This is, Yeah, I was just going to bring up that other study actually, Steve. I mean that, that's obviously there's so much there. It's another segment, but we did do an over sampling of trans and binary because of the, the I don't want to say talking points. And we wanted to see whether there was validity to some of the claims that you'll hear from people on the right, you know, dealing with political violence and you know, I'm. Spoiler alert. There are, there is validity to it. We can, you know, we can do that if you want.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah, yeah, hang on. No, no, no. I want, I want to hold you and go and come back in the, in the next segment we're also going to talk about these groomer gangs in the United Kingdom. What does it mean for us? Short break.

[Richard Barris (Pollster/Analyst)]

We will fight till they're all gone.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We rejoice when there's no more, let's take down the ccp. Okay? Let's be honest. You never thought it would get this far. Maybe you missed the last IRS deadline or you haven't filed taxes in a while. Let me be clear. The IRS is cracking down harder than ever and this ain't gonna go away anytime soon. That's why you need Tax Network usa. They don't just know the irs. They have a preferred direct line to the irs. They know which agents to deal with in which to avoid. Their expert negotiators have one goal. Settle your tax problems quickly and in your favor. Their team has helped clear over $1 billion in taxes debt. Whether you owe 10,000 or 10 million, even if your books are a mess or you haven't filed in years, Tax Network USA can help. But don't wait. This won't fix itself. Call Tax Network USA right now. It's free. Talk to a strategist. And finally, put this behind you. Call 1-800-958-1000. That's 1-800-958-10000 or visit visit tnusa.com Bannon make sure you tell them, Bannon. You'll get a free evaluation. That's 1-800-958-1000. Do not let letters from the IRS or your failure to file work on your nerves anymore. Take action, action, action, and do it today. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. With financial turbulence where it is and Richard Barris telling us the issues that the American people want everybody to focus on now more than ever. Your home, if you're lucky enough to own 1, 80 or 90% of your net worth tied up in it. You can't mess around with this hometown promo code. Steve, go talk to Natalie Dominguez and the team today. Make sure every, every dream you've ever had is in that home. Make sure it does not turn into a nightmare with either artificial intelligence, cyber. I mean, who knows? Rogue lawyer, rogue accountant, rogue relative, rogue former friend. You have no earthy idea where it could come from. But you can't expose yourself to it. Hometitle lock.com promo code Steve. Also, in addition, think of the deficits we're running. What Barris is talking about is focus on the American economy to make sure we're back, robust, healthy, keeping that 3 and a half, 4% growth. Growth that the big beautiful bill promised. Make sure we start paying down the debt. Until that time, the irs, if they think they are not what you owe, if they think you owe, they're coming after their money. The best way to handle this is to talk to the folks at Tax Network USA. Tnusa.com 1-800-958-1000 Tell them Bannon and the war room sent you. You get a free consultation. They've solved a billion dollars worth of tax problems. They can solve yours. But hear from them first, particularly if you have a letter from the irs, don't put it in a drawer. It's not going away in that drawer. It's only going to get more and more Expensive. Tax Network, tnusa.com 89581000 Richard Barris, the second part of your study about the increasing how do I say this basically plunge into darkness of the left and particularly violence.

[Richard Barris (Pollster/Analyst)]

Yes, Steve, the, the headline for this survey is that there's a growing tolerance toward political violence. It is more so on the left. I mean, of course, you're going to find it with both sides, but it's overwhelmingly more on the left. That is true. And it's directly tied to how, how and this is interesting because the, the public still does cite the media and political organizations as the reason for this. They, they understand where these feelings come from, but it's tied to how in danger you personally feel from the other side, from the views of the opposing side. So when we look and when we looked at different demographics, like transgender issue, right, we saw salute of mass shootings that occurred, but also just online behavior that we've all witnessed toward the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, which we asked people specifically about. There's this idea that, you know what, I think these people are danger to me, so they had it coming. I mean, that is the prevalent mindset on that side. And we flatly asked people whether or not they blamed the mental health of the perpetrators, whether they blamed other things in society or the people themselves for getting shot. And what's terrifying is that again, it is in line with this concept that, you know what, if Donald Trump didn't say these things, he wouldn't have gotten shot at. So this, this is really his fault. This is how and they and they're tolerant to that. So in other words, let me try to pan I know I'm trying to do this, but we don't think like this. So it's hard for me to get other people to understand what we found. But these people basically think these are not bad acts because they think think that in the future they'll probably have saved somebody's life. So in their minds and in the story that they are telling themselves in their own heads these people, the perpetrators aren't the bad guys, they're actually the heroes of these stories in their minds. It's twisted, but the, the sad part is it's getting to the point where it's overwhelming. So just to give you a stat, a little less than 1 in 1 in 5, which is still a big number, you want would express to us that they think that it's actually the fault of the victim them, that they were, that they were victims of political violence. But when you look at trans demographics, we had to oversample it. There's not a lot of trans identifying people in this country, but we had to over sample it. When you look at them, Steve, half of them think that they brought it on themselves. Right. And whether or not we asked other questions, you have to pry true feelings out of people. We asked, you know, something along the lines of some people just hold political views that are so bad. Add that toler that, that violence against these people should be tolerated. All right. And when you're getting numbers, half of a demographic that strongly agree with that statement, you have a big problem in this country. And that's the kind of numbers we got from trans people who identify as trans. Even just your run of the mill Democrats, Steve, are twice as likely to say that they strongly agreed with that statement than the rest of the country. So it, this is, I don't know what the solution is is because they know where it comes from. They know they're hearing this stuff in the media. They know that political organizations put together these clips and disseminate them on social media intentionally to get these, you know, these feelings to rise up in people. They know it and they don't care. So I don't, I. And what I mean by that is they know they're being played.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

But do they are, you're saying the more it becomes evident to them that they can't win, win elections, you know, fairly, that they're increasingly getting violent and that they, they believe that violence is actually a way to either even the playing field or to get retribution and, or to potentially win.

[Richard Barris (Pollster/Analyst)]

I do think that they're starting to look at violence as a remedy because the more they lose, the more fear they say they have because the more they lose, the less power they have in government to exercise, whether it's police state power to protect them from all these preserved perceived threats threats or just to advance their agenda, the more they lose, the more dangerous they're actually going to get. So it's, this is A huge problem. Again, I don't know what the answer is, but the more elections people on the right win, the more unsafe they're going to say they are. The more unsafe they are, the more violent they're going to get. That's how. And they, that's how they rationalize it and they think that's okay. So it's becoming thing. It's because it is mainstream too. This is what I the warning I issued online yesterday when we, when we put some of this out is that this isn't something that's isolated to like a lower educated part of the population or a socioeconomic class. It's everywhere. I mean you're gonna see it and you're gonna be. You're gonna find these people in lawyers offices, you're gonna find them on Wall street, you're gonna find them running for office in the state of Virginia. They think it's okay. And this is something that grows up right underneath our noses, Steve. And we just not enough of us said something about it as it was happening. And now we have a real problem, a big problem.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, this is why the g. The GOP was just a, you know, just was too soft to fight back on this. We got to bounce. Richard. Where do they go social media to get all this analysis? Quite brilliant.

[Richard Barris (Pollster/Analyst)]

Locals is the best place to peoplespundent.locals.com thanks brother. All the best.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Thank you brother. Appreciate it. Amazing as poso says Maga or man. Donnie Jackson will be with us next. This is what being controlled opposition for decades and decades and decades against the radical left end up here. Short break. Back in a moment. When you're buried in credit card and loan debt, it's only human nature to put it off and say hey, I'll deal with this later if that's you. Here's a hidden fact the debt strategy experts at Done with Debt shared with me. They discovered a little known strategy that works in your favor to dramatically reduce or even erase your debt altogether. Together they aggressively engage everyone you owe money to in September. And here's why. They know which lenders and credit card companies are doing year end accounting and need to cut deals. They even know which ones have year end audits and need to get your debt off the books quickly. That means you need to get started with done with debt now. Done with debt accomplishes this without bankruptcy or new loans. In fact, most clients end up with more money in their pockets the first month. Get started now while you still have time. Go to donewithdebt.com and talk with one of their specialists for free. Donewithdebt.com donewithdebt.com Take advantage of this. These people are aggressive, they're smart and they're tough. You want them on your side. Donewithdebt.com.