Episode 4906: Basic Fundamentals Of Driving An Economy; Redfields Warning

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room

Episode 4906: Basic Fundamentals Of Driving An Economy; Redfield’s Warning
Date: November 6, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Featured Guest: Dr. Robert Redfield (former CDC Director)
Other Notable Voices: Political analysts, religious leaders, commentators

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Overview

This episode of Bannon’s War Room centers on two major themes:

1. The fundamental drivers of the U.S. economy in light of recent elections and policy debates (jobs, affordability, manufacturing, and AI).
2. An extended interview with Dr. Robert Redfield focusing on public health, corporate accountability, and biosecurity—culminating in Redfield's warning about the ongoing threat of bioengineered pathogens.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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I. Post-Election Analysis: Democracy, Turnout, and Economics

(00:00–08:00)

High Turnout and Voter Trends

• The episode opens with Bannon and guests analyzing recent high-turnout elections across the country, with particular focus on ballot initiatives and shifts in Democratic strategies.
• Discussion about how Democrats pivoted to affordability and populist economic themes rather than social issues.

Quotable Moment:

“This was... an energized electorate that made a decision that they had had enough and that they were going to stand up for democracy in California.”
—Steve Bannon [00:15]

Republicans’ Populist Challenge

• Bannon compares the GOP’s current strategies to outdated “1990 campaigns” and underscores Democrats' success in shifting to kitchen-table issues.
• Political analysts predict future political clashes as “right wing populism versus left wing populism.”

Quotable Moment:

“Democrats figured out how to run on affordability... and we were running traditional campaigns straight out of 1990.”
—Political Analyst [01:36]

Gingrich’s Warning

• Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich's warning: GOP must find new ways to motivate the Trump voter base, and relying on Trump's presence is unsustainable.

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II. The Church and the Politics of Migration

(05:15–08:00)

Moral Responsibility

• Religious and political commentators address the Catholic Church’s increasingly vocal advocacy for immigrants, as echoed by Pope Francis and U.S. bishops.
• The discussion turns to the “spiritual rights” of migrants and the Church’s scriptural mandate to welcome foreigners.

Quotable Moment:

“If you’re claiming to be a Christian, take it up with Jesus because that’s what he says.”
—Political Analyst [06:49]

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III. Economic Strategy: Affordability, Jobs, and Energy Dominance

(08:50–16:10, 16:50–18:00, 19:00–23:20)

Policy Fundamentals

• Bannon credits Trump-era initiatives (“Big Beautiful Bill,” tariffs, supply-side tax cuts) meant to attract capital investment and restore U.S. manufacturing.
• Emphasizes that economic policy can’t focus on affordability alone—job creation is equally essential.

Quotable Moment:

“The basic fundamentals—the big beautiful bill was to do that. Also the tariffs simultaneously was to say... you’re either going to pay a premium to get into this market, or you’re going to shift your manufacturing over here.”
—Steve Bannon [12:07]

Skepticism over Policy Outcomes

• Raises concerns about the actual re-shoring of factories and questions the reliability of “$19 trillion coming back.”

The Keynesian “Addiction”

• Warns that ongoing deficit spending is unsustainable and could fuel inflation, referencing the persistent $2 trillion fiscal gap.

AI, China, and Industrial Policy

• Bannon draws connections between AI, rising electric bills, market bubbles, and the risk of economic domination by China in emerging technologies (AI race).

• Sharp criticism of Nvidia’s Jensen Huang:

  “Jensen Wang... is an agent of influence of the Chinese Communist Party, full stop.”
  —Steve Bannon [24:38]

• Warns against government guarantees for AI company IPOs, arguing they socialize risk for private gain.

Quotable Moment:

“We need now options packages, warrant packages for citizens of the United States... where’s the options package for the American citizens?”
—Steve Bannon [27:24]

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IV. Dr. Robert Redfield Interview: Public Health, the Media, & Redfield’s Warning

(29:48–51:12+)
Segmented Highlights

1. Why Bobby Kennedy for HHS?

(30:05–35:23)

• Redfield praises Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as the nation’s potential “most consequential health secretary.”
• Kennedy’s strengths: open-mindedness, willingness to challenge corporate interests (processed foods, dyes, toxins), and communicating the reality of America as “an unhealthy nation.”

Quotable Moment:

“He's willing to step back and look at the situation... America is an unhealthy nation.”
—Dr. Robert Redfield [31:30]

2. Corporate Complicity and Food Policy

(32:50–36:23)

• Acknowledges many good people in corporate America, but says companies are aware their products (processed foods, sodas) are driving disease and obesity among youth.

Memorable Statistic:

“$10 billion last year so our kids in K through 12 can have sodas at the lunch program.”
—Dr. Robert Redfield [32:58]

3. The Fight Against Obesity and Drug Use Disorder

(35:23–39:18)

• Redfield outlines three urgent health priorities:
  • Confronting obesity, especially from processed foods and sugary drinks
  • Destigmatizing and treating drug use disorder
  • Addressing mental health as a root cause of substance abuse
• Relates personal stories about his family’s battle with fentanyl addiction.

Quotable Moment:

“Stigma is the enemy in public health.”
—Dr. Robert Redfield [38:00]

4. Lessons from HIV to COVID: Public Debate & Early Diagnosis

(40:14–48:31)

• Redfield draws parallels between his experience confronting HIV in the military (often facing scientific and media suppression for advocating early diagnosis) and later public health crises like COVID-19.
• Notes that denial and lack of debate hampered responses and that he was often “booed off the stage” for insisting on medical evidence.

Quotable Moment:

“There was just no debate and there was denial... I got booed off the stage.”
—Dr. Robert Redfield [42:39]

5. Redfield’s Warning: Biosecurity as National Security

(49:10–51:12)

• Redfield issues a grave warning: biosecurity—and the threat of engineered pathogens—now surpasses traditional state actors as a threat to U.S. security.
• Argues that COVID-19 was likely the result of gain-of-function research, with elements aimed at biodefense that could easily become bioweapons.
• Highlights dangers posed by U.S. government actions enabling risky research (citing Exemptions for Fauci/Collins).

Quotable Moment:

“I want people to realize that biosecurity is one of the most critical national security threats that we have in this nation. I've even said it's more relevant than China, Russia, Iran and North Korea.”
—Dr. Robert Redfield [49:15]

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Notable Quotes Table

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|-------------------|-------| | 00:15 | Steve Bannon | “This was... an energized electorate that made a decision that they had had enough and that they were going to stand up for democracy in California.” | | 01:36 | Political Analyst | “Democrats figured out how to run on affordability... and we were running traditional campaigns straight out of 1990.” | | 06:49 | Political Analyst | “If you’re claiming to be a Christian, take it up with Jesus because that’s what he says.” | | 12:07 | Steve Bannon | “The basic fundamentals—the big beautiful bill was to do that. Also the tariffs simultaneously was to say... you’re either going to pay a premium to get into this market, or you’re going to shift your manufacturing over here.” | | 24:38 | Steve Bannon | “Jensen Wang... is an agent of influence of the Chinese Communist Party, full stop.” | | 27:24 | Steve Bannon | “We need now options packages, warrant packages for citizens of the United States... where’s the options package for the American citizens?” | | 31:30 | Dr. R. Redfield | “He's willing to step back and look at the situation... America is an unhealthy nation.” | | 32:58 | Dr. R. Redfield | “$10 billion last year so our kids in K through 12 can have sodas at the lunch program.” | | 38:00 | Dr. R. Redfield | “Stigma is the enemy in public health.” | | 42:39 | Dr. R. Redfield | “There was just no debate and there was denial... I got booed off the stage.” | | 49:15 | Dr. R. Redfield | “I want people to realize that biosecurity is one of the most critical national security threats that we have in this nation. I've even said it's more relevant than China, Russia, Iran and North Korea.” |

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Major Takeaways

• Political Shift: Democrats’ focus on economic populism and affordability shaped high-turnout election outcomes. GOP faces a fork in the road: they must redefine populism and energize their base without relying solely on Trump.
• Economic Policy: Trump’s economic legacy hinges on the success of supply-side incentives and tariffs to reindustrialize America, with skepticism about real-world results and warnings about over-dependence on deficit spending and speculation-driven tech bubbles.
• Public Health Leadership: Dr. Robert Redfield endorses Bobby Kennedy’s open approach to health problems, especially his willingness to confront corporate lobbies and processed food industries, and break stigma around drug and mental health crises.
• Biosecurity Threat: Redfield’s starkest warning is that biolabs and engineered pathogens now outstrip traditional geopolitical threats—a challenge compounded by U.S. policy blunders and lack of public debate, as seen in both HIV/AIDS and COVID-19 crises.

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Suggested Listening Segments

• Election Reaction & Populism [00:00–05:00]
• Religious/Moral Debate on Immigration [05:15–07:30]
• Bannon on Jobs & Affordability [11:00–14:00]
• Bannon’s “AI Bubble” Critique [23:50–28:00]
• Dr. Redfield on Processed Foods & Obesity [31:20–36:30]
• Redfield’s Story: HIV, Stigma, and Medical Truth [40:14–48:31]
• Redfield’s Biosecurity Warning [49:10–51:00]

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This episode blends Bannon’s combative economic populism and skepticism of institutional narratives with Redfield’s sobering, data-driven urgency on health and security. For listeners seeking insight into the future of politics, economics, and America’s health systems, it’s a highly relevant, if blunt, conversation.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

Turnout affair. I mean, it wasn't a low turnout affair in New Jersey or New York or Virginia, and it wasn't a low turnout affair in California either. And so this was not a situation which you had very few people voting and, you know, you just had quirky things happen. This was, as you say, an energized electorate that made a decision that they had had enough and that they were going to stand up for democracy in California. It's not just that it was high turnout for what you call a process. But think about it. If I had told you a year ago that there would be a ballot initiative in California to undo a nonpartis commission map and put in place a partisan map, you would have told me I was crazy. If I had also told you that in Virginia, the way in which Democrats would rescue, frankly, one of their more difficult candidates for attorney general would be by pivoting towards the promise of redrawing maps that that would energize and galvanize electorate and flip, you know, 13 state House seats along the way. You would have said I was crazy. And finally, you know, Chris, in Maine, you know, how many times have you and I lectured by Republicans about how popular voter ID is? Well, voter ID was on the ballot in Maine and it got smoked. I mean, it lost by 20 points in Maine, which, as you know, is a kind of purple state. So there was a lot of democracy on the ballot last night and democracy.

[Political Analyst]

Won our governors moving out of their mansions in Virginia. I actually, I had a call with Steve Bannon last night and interviewing him for the newsletter to see what his take was. The team, the tea. And he, you know, his take is sort of like Karl Rove's take and Newt Gingrich's take, which, which is we got a lot of work to do. Democrats figured out how to run on affordability. Democrats figured out how to win on, on populist issues. And we were running traditional campaigns straight out of 1990, you know, old Republican style campaigns, which is we're going to cut tax, were going to fight against the state government. And what Bannon said about Spanberger and Sheryl was they went straight to people's pocketbooks. They went straight to their dinner tables and they talked about affordability, they talked about higher electric bills. And he said that's why it wasn't even a close fight. And he thinks that this election and the Democrats sort of adapting and adjusting and whether it's in New York or Virginia or up in New Jersey, says it's going to be, you know, the future is going to be right wing populism versus left wing populism. And Democrats, he thinks, have a lot of reasons to, you know, to follow up on some of those successes.

[Steve Bannon]

Look, Donald Trump's big lies have not gone away and election denialism is still in full force in the Republican Party. And unfortunately, we're going to see it in the 2026 midterm elections. I think Donald Trump, and by the way, in the lead up to this election, remember Donald over the weekend said that there was already massive fraud in California. And you know, he already, and the White House already said that they needed to clamp down and pass new executive orders, as before the results even came in. I think this morning, Donald Trump woke up and had a choice. He could either claim that, you know, 17 point defeats were actually the result of fraud, or he could just blame everyone else. And he went with blame everyone else. So I don't think that he's going to be able to do that in 2026 when it's Congress that's on the line, when it's curbing his power. As much as he likes to have Republic Republicans in positions of power in governorships, it's not crucial to his power in the same way it is with Congress. So I expect we will see the full bag of tricks back for 2026.

[Political Commentator]

A week from Friday is the last day over to the palace, which I visited yesterday. And it's very nice and be a nice move for us. But yeah, you're, you're absolutely right. We talked about this yesterday and it sounds like Steve Bannon understands this well, which is staying away for Democrats from all of these social issues that dogged them a year ago and have dogged them for the last couple of years. And just saying, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's talk about what's really important, the fact that you can't afford to buy groceries, that you can't buy a house until you're 40 years old in this country. All the things that are so true in this country right now. And so Abigail Spanberger, Mikey Sherrill, mom Donnie in New York City. Are those skills, are those messages transferable? Democrats seem to think so now as they move ahead a year from now to the midterm election. Mentioned, Joe, former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich. He too is warning Republicans they have a major problem now after Tuesday's election results. In an interview with the New York Times, Gingrich said he believes President Trump is right about his absence on the campaign trail, meaning voters stayed home a challenge Gingrich says the party has to confront. Gingrich told the Times, quote, republicans need to confront that we had a bad night and that it didn't have to be a bad night. You can't just shrug your shoulders and say, gee, if only we could run Donald Trump every time, because you can't do it. When you talk about 26 and 28. Republicans have to find a way to motivate the base Trump voter to come out and vote.

[Religious Leader]

The role of the church is to preach the gospel. And just a couple days ago we heard Matthew's Gospel, chapter 25, which says, Jesus says very clearly, at the end of the world, we're going to be asked, you know, how did you receive the foreigner? Did you receive him and welcome him or not? And I think that there's a deep reflection that needs to be made in terms of what's happening. Many people who have lived for years and years and years, never causing problems, have been deeply affected by what's going on right now. The spiritual rights of people who have been detained should also be considered. And I would certainly invite the authorities to allow pastoral workers to attend to the needs of those people. Many times they've been separated from their families for good amount of time. No one knows what's happening, but their own spiritual needs should be attended to.

[Political Analyst]

I have noticed over the past week or so the Pope, the American Pope speaking out repeatedly about the importance of Catholics, if they are good Catholics, to go out and to welcome the foreigner. You know, citing the Good Samaritan Satan verse verses in Luke, Jesus is explaining who your neighbor is. The Pope says, we will be judged by how we welcome foreigners. And you have now the archbishops in Chicago, in Washington, across the country, delivering powerful messages. The Pope even at one point suggesting, it's hard to call yourself pro life if you support such horrific treatment of those who are alive. Our neighbors, as Jesus would say, our neighbors, the foreigner. That's what Jesus said. So if you have a problem with that, don't even take it up with the Pope. If you're claiming to be a Christian, take it up with Jesus because that's what he says. And so, yes, this is as we see the church get more and more involved in the protecting of the dignity of human beings, of God's children, you are going to see this become a more difficult political issue. Yes, even for Republicans who have turned a blind eye to everything that Jesus said in the New Testament about, about welcoming foreigners, being kind to the least among us, it's just, it's just Again, this is something the Pope has started talking about, something he's not going to stop talking about.

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[Interviewer/Host]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Interviewer/Host]

If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Thursday, 6th November, 2025. A President is going to come on at 11 tentatively from the Oval Office. I don't know what that's about. I assume it's going to hear maybe something about drug pricing. Some moves President Trump is making, obviously to with this agenda. He's got to make people's lives better, at least make the economy hum more and then people can figure out what they're going to do with their own lives. He's not there to control it. I got up on Getter right now. This is why getter's free. So if you want to go and see all of my brilliant early morning thinking, it's not simply affordability. What I was trying to say is affordability is part of the issue. This way. We've had Dave Walsh on for so many years talking about the key for affordability and driving costs down is a full spectrum energy dominance. Right. And President Trump's getting that. That's when he responds, hey, costs, you know, things are coming down because energy costs are coming down. Obviously other issues of affordability have to be attacked and you're going to see with the situation because tariffs are not, there's no demonstrable evidence at all that tariffs are driving up prices. Tariffs are adding to revenue coming into the treasury because remember, if you can actually show that prices are rising because of tariffs, they would be, you know, browbeating you every day. Now, the Supreme Court, and let's be blunt, yesterday I don't think was a great day for the home team in making the argument. It seemed pretty skeptical. Now, oral arguments are just oral arguments. The briefings themselves were very impressive. That's why I had David lynch. And David lynch is not maga. He's the first to admit that David lynch, you know, from the World's Worst Bet. But lynch, who starts off as a globalist, talks about, hey, the bunch of stuff they believed under the Clinton and Bush years, particularly Clinton, just turned out to be fundamentally wrong. And, you know, either say they lied to people or misrepresented about what was going to happen to the American worker. The world's worst Bet, how the globalization gamble. Gamble went wrong and what you can do to make it right. Anyway, it's a book that you ought to try to get. He said yesterday that, and this is why I want to make all the filings available to you. He said when you read the briefings, it's much more impressive than the oral argument. And he actually came from, I think this thing could potentially get blown out by the Supreme Court to, hey, it's a 50, 50 coin toss. So that gets back to not just affordability, but the other part of affordability. You cannot just focus maniacally on affordability alone and everybody's jumping in. It's twofold. It's jobs and affordability. Jobs and affordability. We made a bet. The Trump administration made a bet and the House and the Senate went along with it. We disagreed with a big part of this. This was the big beautiful bill. The big beautiful bill, as Scott Bessant has said on the show for a year before he became Secretary of Treasury on this very show, that this was the last time, last chance to have a supply side tax cut. Supply side tax cut focuses on the means of production, the capital investment you need in factory plant, equipment, capital equipment to drive an economy. The basic fundamentals. The big beautiful bill was to do that. Also the tariffs simultaneously was to say on the golden door. The golden door. You're either going to pay a premium to get into this market, the best market in the world, or you're going to shift your manufacturing over here. That the combination of a tax cut and particularly the ability to write everything off in the first year right, as a real tax shield will, will drive capital investment and you will get other capital investment from those companies that, that want to avoid the tariffs and come here. That's the bet, folks. We have to keep that in mind. Now the question is, is that actually happening? We love Scott Besson. Scott keeps saying, hey, Wall Street's gonna win out and Main Street's gonna win out. We need to see the data. And because, I don't know, I think the fourth quarter numbers could be a little, could potentially be a little weak, particularly the top line. Now remember the, what I didn't agree with the big beautiful bill, and it was on here, banging away and talking to people behind the scenes non stop was about taxes that for the upper bracket you should have a snapback or.

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[Dr. Robert Redfield]

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Sign up for free and be part of the movement. Okay, welcome back. So keep the equation. This is the equation they don't want you to know and understand. Right? Wall street doesn't want to know it. The deep state, the apparatus. They don't want the American people to actually understand things. This is kind of like the French Revolution. Remember when the finance minister came because they had to bring all the estates together to raise taxes because they had helped in the war against the United Kingdom. They had helped. Partly, they'd help finance. Actually more than partly, they'd help finance their mortal enemy, the British, fighting their colonists in the United States. Their financing of the. That's why it's all industry linked from the American Revolution to the French Revolution, is that that's one of the ways that France went bankrupt. They actually went bankrupt on a bad, bad, bad economic model that the aristocracy just sucked it out of the people. But what triggered it was paying the bonds, paying the debt that they financed for the American Revolution. And when they, when they published the. And the finance minister said, hey, here's one way we do it. We get the people on our side. We just publish in a broadsheet, we just publish the numbers, we publish the math. And so when the people see that, they'll say, yes, we have to tax the church and we have to. And we tax ourselves. Give us more taxes because we'll help the Crown. It didn't work out like that. When they published it, people looked around and go, these guys are living up in Versailles. They're living like, you know, they're living like heavenly beings. And we're in the sewers of Paris eating rats. Maybe it's time to make amends. Kind of the beginning kicked off all the revolutionary period all the way through today. But it's important that you understand. It's important that you understand because all this talk and all that, you know, it didn't turn out, etcetera you led in the years in the wilderness, it was on your shoulders that the entire thing rested. And President Trump made the most heroic decision ever, with full moral clarity, to return like cincinnatus from the plow, to return back to the political battlefield understanding that they would bankrupt him, destroy his family, put him in prison and eventually try to assassinate him. All of it. And you put him on your shoulders and drove to an amazing victory. To do what? To get lower information, lower propensity voters, which is kind of the holy grail of modern politics, as shown by Obama and shown by Trump and shown by now Zoron or Zoran that this is the key to victory. And they did have huge turnouts and this is an alert and we just can't sit there and go, oh, it's idiotic. This is blue states. No, forget that. And God loves Scott Pressler. We're doing a book with Scott Pressler. I think Scott Pressler's amazing, but there's no apparatus around Scott Pressler. Scott Pressler is going around knocking on guys car windows. It's fantastic and it's motivating and he's a great man in driving this. But it's so much more than that. And part of it is to make sure exactly before you have a plan, you can execute on exactly what are we trying to accomplish or what are we trying to do? What are we trying to do? And a big part of this is growth in the. We made a bet. The big beautiful build. We made a bet and I said at the time, you're going to live or die on this bet. Because these are the type of structural things once you do, you can't be swerving off them. You got to have that absolute conviction we made the right decision and we're just going to drive it forward. But you have to execute on it. The president of the United States can only do so much from the Oval. He can set the strategy, he can set the tone, he can set the messaging. But he's busy trying to end the third World War and trying to secure the border and get the insurrection out that's in our cities and 1 million other things and cut these deals and meet people and shake hands and say, yes, you want to be yes, come do this, build this and come up with this incredible strategy on redoing the world's commercial relationships. That's what yesterday was. And if we get a chance, I'll figure it. I want to play the whole three hours and maybe get Navarro, somebody into commentary. It was a great civics Lesson for you and your kids on an enormously complicated issue about the world's trading system and the world's commercial system and how it's screwed American workers by not the second law of thermodynamics, which kind of David lynch and still guys believe that this inexorable move of globalization, it doesn't have to be like that. It doesn't have to be like that. We believe that as like a medieval theology for 30 or 40 years and led to the gutting of the industrial power of the United States. That's what President Trump's trying to bring back. That is a key part. So growth is based upon a couple things. One is the capital investment made possible by the big beautiful bill. In addition, and this is the addiction we have, you have to just understand that we are addicted to Keynesian, A Keynesian infusion. There is no understanding of economics that says with where we are in employment and where we are with inflation, that you continue to basically turbocharge by these massive deficits. That is the $7 trillion of spending with the $5 trillion that we take in that $2 trillion essential gap. And some of that's being cut by terrorists, but that's still there. And no spending has not been cut virtually at all. Doge didn't do it. That was all phony. Russ Vote is attempting to do it. But when we talk about rescission pack, you're talking about $5 billion here at $3 billion, mainly symbolic, to show that President Trump's Article 2 powers. He has the ability that the appropriations bill, which is a law, is a ceiling, not a floor until you get, as we've preached on this show for years, until you get the control of the spending in the gap, the financing of that, because basically a third of that has to be rolled over and financed, you're going to continue in inflation because you're financing it at higher rates. As good a job as Scott Bess and these guys have done in the bond market. But it's affordability and growth. It doesn't matter if things get down under 2% and are affordable if you ain't got a job. And right now the stats are coming out of kids that went to colleges and particularly named colleges. I think I saw someone the other day, 30% of graduates are getting jobs in what they've dedicated their lives in college and other places to learn. Graduates coming up, people under 35 are not. No way they're getting the jobs. And you can see all over as much as corporate America's trying, trying to hide it that most of these job cuts are coming from artificial intelligence. The jobs apocalypse has kind of started. And that gets me to a topic and we're going to explore this more is that you know, Nvidia Jensen Wang, you know I said he's an agent of influence of the Chinese Communist Party, full stop. Full stop. He may be worse than that, but he's at least that Yesterday comes out. China will win the AI race. China will win the air. Now why was that? Because oh my gosh, he's doing his toys at the pram because we restricted him on selling the top chips to China. What did I say when I signed that proclamation on artificial intelligence that scientists had to have an agreement among the top technology and scientists and you had to have than a buy off by the American people? I said the central part of that is we can stop because all they're saying, oh no, we're falling behind China, we're going far behind China. We'll cut them off not just of these chips, cut them off of capital, cut them off of education over here, cut them off of training at these companies. All of them go home. Look in many of these are the sons and daughters of Lao Beijing. But this is just. The Chinese Communist Party has weaponized you. And yes, under no circumstances can we allow the Chinese Communist Party to get a lead in AI. And Jensen, Jensen Wang sitting there going, it was not for us. It was not what's not a problem if their companies do it? Hey, just as long as everybody's got my chips. So he even walked it back last night. Well, I didn't really mean that. I mean, you know, it's something else. No, dude, we get the joke of what you're doing. And right now this whole kind of bubble in capital markets and I showed you the other day where they're now going to go into the. I'll pull this up from Saturday's Financial Times of London and I will get that maybe for the next block or thereafter they've said about going into debt markets. $200 billion. Now the AI companies whose stocks are at all time high. Jensen Wang's at $5 trillion. They're now going to go $200 billion. What are they doing? What has Dave Walsh been on here talking to you about data centers? Why are electric bills going to go up 1? Because all the crap from climate change and all the non sustainable solar power, wind power, all these fantasies are now coming home to roost. But yesterday, baby, they went for it. The chief financial officer of OpenAI and OpenAI is getting ready for their IPO initial public offering and this thing's going to have, I don't know, a trillion or $2 trillion value out of the gate. These guys are all become the Frontier Lab companies. They're all the richest guys in the world. Jensen Huang at $5 trillion market cap. Richest, most powerful guy in the world. The chief financial officer of the company in her opening statement says, you know, we really need a government. What would make things easier for us is a government guarantee. Whoa, full stop. What Baby, what did you just say? We're going to do what? Listen, this whole thing of a new aristocracy for MAGA and all these geniuses, you know, these boy geniuses that are so brilliant who have really never accomplished anything in their lives. I got news for you. We need now options packages, warrant packages for citizens of the United States. Lady, when you're talking about a government guarantee of a couple hundred billion dollars because of the debt you got to put up for your data centers, they're to going to suck all the water out of every place in the United States. Where's the, where's the options package for the American citizens?

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Hidden sugars in the American diet, sponsored by Pfizer. Hey, Pfizer, suck on this. We got the man. We got Dr. Redfield, Robert Redfield in the war room. Thank you. I'm so honored to finally have you in here, sir.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Thanks.

[Interviewer/Host]

You're a great hero of ours. Redfield's warning, first off. And the president's going to be in the Oval Office, I think, at 11. Obviously we're going to cut to that, as we always do. I think something about drug pricing before I get to the warning. Why you're a hero to so many people. Why are you not and Bobby Kennedy such a hero to so many people? Why is. It's like Batman and Robin, you playing Robin. What? Why are you not the wingman right now for Bobby Kennedy in the government?

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

You know, I'm trying to help Kennedy as much as I can. I've said it publicly many times that I think he'll be the most consequential health secretary our nation's ever had. And I do spend a lot of energy trying to, you know.

[Interviewer/Host]

Okay, stop. Why you say that? You said the most. Your guy's been around a long time. You've seen them all come and go. You've seen all the different philosophies and things. Why do you think Bobby Kennedy, who has literally no background in this except a passion for studying this and becoming, you know, we had the real Anthony Fauci, which, you know, I told people, read like the phone book, but sold like a million and a half copies, people couldn't get enough of it. It. Why is Bobby Kennedy, who's the first guy that didn't really come from this area, kind of came as an interested, you know, the British should say interested amateur. Why will he be the most consequential director of hhs, cabinet secretary of HHS in the country's history?

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Sir? I think first and foremost because he's an open thinker. He's willing to step back and look at the situation. As you mentioned, he's passionate about improving health of the American public. And he's really articulated, I think, as well as anyone that. That America is an unhealthy nation. When I worked for President Trump, you know, the reality is people ask why we lost so many people from COVID when countries like Taiwan lost so few comorbidities. Comorbidities, and that we're a chronically ill nation. You know, we have probably 50%, 40, 50% of the nation has a significant chronic disease. You know, 20 to 30% of our youth are obese. So Kennedy's really articulated this well, and he started to go after some of the, you know, some of the reasons that that's happening. When I was CDC director, I wanted to go have the cereal industry work with me, and I wanted the beverage industry to work with me, and I couldn't get the first base right because clearly we were pounding.

[Interviewer/Host]

Are they driving? Are the snack foods and half of what the Ebit cards go for and the sodas and everything is corporate America. Because you have a lot of good people working in corporate America. You have a lot of good people working Pfizer. A lot of people coach Little League and, you know, build the churches and are kind of that civic society in their professional capacities. Do these companies know that what they're selling is harmful to people's health?

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

I think so. And yet it's just. It's how they make money and trying to break through that. I can tell you, you know, I'm a pretty aggressive guy. I wasn't able to accomplish that. But Kennedy has already. He's really gotten the corporations to sit down and talk to him about processed foods. He's gotten to talk about dyes. He's talking about toxins. You know, Steve, we spent $10 billion last year so our kids in K through 12 can have sodas at the lunch program. $10 billion. When I went to school, I got milk. All right, a carton of milk. Chocolate or white? I mean, you got your choice. Okay, one carton. So I think Kennedy's. He's willing to take it on. And, you know, maybe it's his legal background. I think he's been very effective in bringing people to the table. A lot of people didn't think he wouldn't. I think Kennedy doesn't get a fair shot with the media. He said, you know, he said on more than one occasion, he's never had a good story written about him. Him. But I think his passion drives Him.

[Interviewer/Host]

Why is that the media supposed to be so progressive and so empathetic? Why on this most central issue we have the health of the nation. Why did they go after a guy like. And Bobby Kennedy's got. He's got a few warts, right? He's just like Trump. All of us, we're very imperfect instruments. But why did they seem to target Bobby Kennedy time after time after time?

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

You know, I think. I don't know the total answer. I asked my wife about this last night. We were talking about it because, you know, I'm a big Kennedy fan. And I think part of the problem is they think he's a traitor being.

[Interviewer/Host]

Having been a liberal and a progressive.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

And now he turned over to work with Trump and help get Trump elected.

[Interviewer/Host]

And the Maha movement is kind of hard welded to the MAGA movement.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

I think so. And I think it really helped. I mean, Trump needed to get, you know, suburban housewives and everything, you know, on his side.

[Interviewer/Host]

We couldn't have won without it. Part of this thing you saw on Tuesday night, we kind of lost focus on the Maha part of it.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

I think Kennedy's Maha movement really helped give Trump the presidency. Okay. And, you know, Kennedy's committed to making America healthy again. I mean, this is not a slogan for him. He's committed to it. And hang on, hang on.

[Interviewer/Host]

The two or three things that you think Kennedy has to do, because I talked to you beforehand, you said, hey, listen, the reason I'm not in the government, Bobby, I think I can do more for Bobby Kennedy in the movement outside, I have more range and flexibility. The two or three things that you think we have to accomplish now to start to make the country healthier would be what?

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

First and foremost, we got to take on obesity, which he started with the processed foods. Do you know, if you and I. There was a study at NIH where people had the exact same caloric intake, exact same exercise. One was processed, one was non processed.

[Interviewer/Host]

At the end, one's eating clean and one's eating ultra processed food.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

And at the end of one or two months, the one that was eating processed gained 20 pounds and the one that didn't, didn't gain a pound. People have said this over and over again. They go to Europe and spend a week in a month in Europe and they don't gain weight. Right. So I do think the processed food's a big problem. And he's taken it on. All right. I like the fact that he's going back and bringing back his uncle's physical fitness ideas. You Know, get kids back.

[Interviewer/Host]

JFK's right. Get them off the couch. Let's do a few push ups.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Get him off the couch. And you know, it's tragic when you think, I was in the army for 20 something years. 77% of young people can't pass a military medical exam. That's unbelievable.

[Interviewer/Host]

Unbelievable.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Okay, we have to change it because.

[Interviewer/Host]

Those requirements are not that tough.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

They're not tough. They're not tough. I mean, I passed. They're not tough.

[Interviewer/Host]

Okay.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

And I will tell you, I'm convinced Kennedy will make inroads within two years on obesity. All right? He's told the President, I think he will, and I think he'll get more and more Americans, particularly housewives, mothers. You know, I have 14 grandchildren behind them because we got to make America healthy again. Do you know when we look at kids now under the age of 20, that 20 to 30% of them already have type 2 diabetes? Diabetes is a bad thing.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah. That's from laying around and eating the ultra processed food.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Ultra processed foods, sugar drinks, not exercising.

[Interviewer/Host]

Drinking some of the $10 billion in soda that the taxpayers provide to kids that shouldn't be drinking sodas.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

That's right. Right. And I think.

[Interviewer/Host]

So Kennedy's first obesity by ultra processed food.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

I think he's going to also do something that's important to me and maybe one of the reasons I navigated to him at the beginning. He's not afraid to tell the truth.

[Interviewer/Host]

Right. He's fearless.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Kennedy was a heroin addict for years. He doesn't hide it. He tells people. My son. My son almost died of a fentanyl overdose from contaminated cocaine.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Thanks be to God. Miracle. He's now eight years in recovery. Azar called me the next day. I gave a speech, and in that speech I mentioned that my son had almost died from fentanyl. All right? And I said, you know, stigma is the enemy of public health. I'm not ashamed of my son. All right? I told my son, when he came to me and asked for help, and he was ashamed and cried. I said, don't be ashamed of yourself. You're created by God. You have a medical problem. Stigma is the enemy in public health.

[Interviewer/Host]

What does that mean? Well, stigmatized as obese. You're stigmatized.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Stigmatized, obese. We started for me for hiv, but then it was obesity or this case, you're a drug addict. I hate the word addict. No, you have drug use disorder. It's a medical problem. And I told my son, he was in tears. I said, we're going to take care of it. And thanks be to God, God graced him to accept to go into a treatment program, which he did 14 months and he's now eight, nine years in recovery. Okay. Kennedy's not afraid of it. All right? So I think he also will take on the challenges that we're having with drug use disorder, which are huge. When I was in Baltimore, my son needed treatment. There was no. We had four Catholic hospitals. None of them had programs for drug use disorder. And I'm going to say, I saw an Archbishop Laurier. I said, listen, I said, I think every family in the archdiocese has somebody struggling with drug use as well. Whether it's alcohol or whether it's drugs. We need to be more aggressive. And Kennedy's going to be aggressive building some good programs for drug use disorder. And coupled with that, most of these kids with drug use disorder, they're there because they're self medicating for mental health issues that aren't being treated right. Okay.

[Interviewer/Host]

That's the underlying scourge.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

That's the underlying scourge. And you know, I say it, I said it about his uncle, you know, his uncle. I used to do this when I was trying to bring an end to the AIDS epidemic with Trump. I said, you know, Kennedy's advantage was he saw the possible and then led a nation to act about the man.

[Interviewer/Host]

On the moon, Jack Kennedy.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Jack Kennedy. Bobby Kennedy sees the possible. America can be a healthy nation.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yes.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

And part of that has to be a healthy nation. Yeah, Part of that is we have to shift our disease system, which I've been part of for over 20 years, and we need to create a health system. And I think that's what he's on a path to do. I mean, I think he's got some good people working with him, with Oz and Bhattacharya, big time. And Makary. And when you said, you know, the truth is.

[Interviewer/Host]

But he's had a problem at cdc.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

He's had a problem at cdc.

[Interviewer/Host]

So why do we not have Redfield in there banging heads? Sir.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

You're the perfect candidate. I'm gonna get on you. I got a couple minutes here. Go back and tell the audience a story about HIV and about what you try to do in HIV in the horrible experience.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Well, you know, the HIV is a good example of some of the same challenges that we had with COVID Because the first problem with HIV was they never allowed public debate. I mean, I was the first when I was at Walter Reed in 1983. 81, 82.

[Interviewer/Host]

That's the U.S. the old U.S. army hospital doesn't exist anymore.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

When I was there, okay, I started seeing people with AIDS. The illness I saw was very different. 30% of my patients in 1983 were women. 30%, 50% of my patients were married and had spouses. Was very different.

[Interviewer/Host]

This was army personnel.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Army personnel. So it was.

[Interviewer/Host]

They contracted this overseas. You're saying it was heterosexual at the time?

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

No, some of it was. I'd say people criticize, said, oh, they're all liars. No, of the women that I had, I'd say 75, 80% of them were heterosexually acquired. Maybe 20% were drug use acquired.

[Interviewer/Host]

Heterosexually acquired, though, from guys that either were bisexual or gay. And just.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

That's right. I think the bisexual man played a big role here.

[Interviewer/Host]

Right.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Okay. And then of my men, I had. And this is about 2/3 of them were bisexual. The homosexuals in the military were a little different than the homosexuals outside the military.

[Interviewer/Host]

Well, back then, that was the way they get kicked.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

They couldn't get a security clearance. Some of the guys were, you know, had sex with men maybe a couple times a year. That wasn't their dominant sexual partner. It was a woman. So about half of them were like that. Half of them were homosexual men. But about a third of them weren't homosexual men. They slept with a lot of women. And I had worked up prostitute populations around the world and showed that these prostitutes were infected. Nobody wanted to believe it. The Commissioner of Health in New York took me on and he said, you know, Redfield's data is all false, that we have no heterosexual transmission in the state of New York. We've tested all of the prostitutes, and they're all Viv. Drug addicts. I asked him in front of 10,000 people, I said, Commissioner, how many women that weren't IV drug addicts did you test for AIDS? You know what he said in front of everybody? I didn't test anybody because we know women who don't use drugs can't have aids. And I said, go back and test your prostitutes that use cocaine naked and don't inject, and you'll find out. And he did. And he went back and saw two thirds of them were HIV infected. So there was just no debate and there was no denial.

[Interviewer/Host]

Hang on one second. We had the same. We've had the Same problem now. Dr. Robert Redfield, U.S. army, in the house.

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[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[Interviewer/Host]

Hang on, don't. This is inside baseball. We're not going to cut the mic. Why is Kennedy. One more time. Why is Kennedy going to be the, going to be the most consequential. Because he's fearless. He's a tough Irish Catholic dude.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

He's passionate. And the most important thing, when you want to accomplish a mission, you have to believe it's possible.

[Interviewer/Host]

Is Redfield English or German?

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

It's actually English. English. Got. My family's from England. We're descendants of the Mayflower in the. We came over on the second boat and then married somebody from the first boat.

[Interviewer/Host]

They were all, they were all puritans. But you're, you're Catholic though, right?

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

I'm Catholic. My mother comes from, from Yugoslavia, Slovenia, God bless her. And they were both die hard Catholics.

[Interviewer/Host]

Hiv. How did it get, how did you get this death since everybody was against you? And I thought, actually I had it confused. I thought that they were trying to suppress the fact that it was only transmitted by gays. So if you had any evidence at all that was heterosexual, they wanted it out there. Because remember the first, I think in the early 80s when this first started coming on the radar and I remember for me it was in New York City that one of the guys in the word processing department who was, because that days in word processing, particularly investment banking, you went all night long. So he had shifts. This guy was a theater guy during the day and when he couldn't get gigs, he'd work as an amazing word processor at night. Everybody knows he started getting very sick and very thin, and next thing you know, he's dead. And they said it was because of this. This new disease was. Back then, everybody said it was. It was. The panic was that it was transmitted with heterosexuals, and then you found out later it maybe wasn't. Why did they try to suppress.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

A couple things. First, I've always said, if you look globally, heterosexual transmission is the major mode of transmission. Okay? In the United States, it was first recognized in gay men, but it really was a sexually transmitted disease. And it never made sense to me because I was the first person to show that it wasn't just gay, it was sexual. And yet the gay community really came at me hard. And one of the reasons it came at me hard is because I took the first principles of medicine and I said, we have to diagnose this disease. So I promoted early diagnosis. And people didn't want diagnosis. You probably know, in New York, they made it illegal for a doctor to write an HIV diagnosis in a medical record. In a medical record. All right? So I fought that. And of course, I was in the military, and I was able to convince the Secretary of Defense that this was a very important, relevant military problem, because in Korea, we had 30 cases per hundred soldiers of gonorrhea. So for us to think we were going to be skipping a sexually transmitted disease.

[Interviewer/Host]

Soldiers are going to be soldiers.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

That's right. And so they knew. They knew. I said, the difference now with the gonorrhea is now we have. Have a deadly sexually transmitted disease. And so the military took it seriously, and we decided to put the principles of medicine on the table. And one of them was early diagnosis. And so I started those programs, and as you know, the military then screened everybody, and we diagnosed everybody, we treated everybody that was infected properly. But the media immediately said that we were trying to. You know, when I was up for CDC director, they tried to kick me. They said I recommended putting people in leprosy camps and all this stuff. It was all lies. I recommended treating people to the best of our ability based on the knowledge that we had. And it was unfortunate that I made my reputation by nothing that insightful. I just said we ought to diagnose. When I said that at the first international AIDS conference in Atlanta, that we should diagnose the disease, I was booed off the stage.

[Interviewer/Host]

Wow. Booed.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

And then I presented my data at another paper and showed that about 92% of people that had HIV infection, if you followed them for 18 months or more, got sicker. CDC was saying 5% got sick. I was saying, no, it looks like it's going to be over. 90% are going to get sick. Guess what happened? I got booed off the stage. And then when I presented the data showing husbands and wives infecting each other, that it could be sexually transmissed. And guess what happened? Happened. My third paper, I got booed off the stage.

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[Interviewer/Host]

You're very consistent.

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[Interviewer/Host]

President's gonna come in. I think he's gonna be running late. One thing I want to get to. You've got one. Is what happened during the pandemic.

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[Interviewer/Host]

Which is amazing. And I want to get that. You've also got a warning. And let's hit the warning. Because when a guy like you who's kind of a no BS guy and doesn't mind getting booed off the stage, if you're putting the truth out there, then you boo you all they want. You don't care. You're going to come back two weeks later with more data if you get booed off. What is the. The warning is pretty shocking. By the way, the book, Redfield's warning, Dr. Redfield gives it to you straight with the bark on.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Right.

[Interviewer/Host]

It's unvarnished. What is your warning to us right now?

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

So, Steve, the real important thing here, and part of the real reason I wrote the book, is I want people to realize that biosecurity is one of the most critical national security threats that we have in this nation. I've even said it's more relevant than China, Russia, Iran and North Korea. And if you think about how COVID 19 changed life in America, COVID 19 was a bioweapon. It was created by gain of function research in the lab. I think they were developing it actually as a bio defense weapon because they were trying to develop what I call a vector for a vaccine. And they created this, by the way.

[Interviewer/Host]

To do that, to then have. Then weaponize it. So they had defense against it. So they could weaponize it and they could.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

I have no data that it was a weapon, but I really do think they were working. The military was trying to create this virus so that it could infect humans, so that it could be used to carry packages into the human body that can be evicted.

[Interviewer/Host]

What the guy in North Carolina, was it Barclay? What he was Barrick. What Barrick was doing at unc, what they were doing at University of Maryland. We banned gain of function here because it was too loosey goosey. It was Tony Fauci when The time that the first HHS director, President Trump got terminated, the guy from Georgia, I think was a congressman, a doctor. When he got terminated in that gap, that 60 price, when that 60 or 90 day gap, Tony Fauci slipped over to the EOB, part of the national security and got it slipped in there that you could start doing gain of function.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Yeah. He, he and Collins could pass an exemption to any procedure to do it. And it got slipped in. If you talk to people now that were in the White House, nobody remembers that this really happened. But it really happened.

[Interviewer/Host]

It definitely happened.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

And so we proved that later that he slipped in. We're taking a short break. Hang on. You're gonna stick with us. President's gonna be in the Oval, but Dr. Redfield is going to be here. Dr. Redfern may already have the inside baseball. What's going to happen. But stick around, Bird.

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[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Right.

[Interviewer/Host]

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