Episode 4912: Live From CHD Conference 2025 Day 2

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Episode 4912: Live From CHD Conference 2025 Day 2
Date: November 8, 2025
Location: Children's Health Defense ("Moment of Truth") Conference, Austin, Texas
Host: Claire Dooley (WarRoom.org, guest-hosting for Stephen K. Bannon)
Key Guests: Tony Lyons (President, MAHA Action), Lee Marinoff (Strategic Health Initiatives), Sarah Doe (Student litigant)

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Overview

This episode features live coverage of the Children’s Health Defense Conference, focusing on the United States' chronic disease epidemic, government and corporate corruption in healthcare, rural health reform, food systems, educational initiatives, and personal stories of medical injury and litigation. Claire Dooley, a health freedom advocate and filmmaker, hosts discussions with Tony Lyons and Lee Marinoff, alongside interviews with advocates, policy leaders, and those personally affected by vaccine mandates.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Opening Remarks: State of the Nation and Health Freedom

• Stephen K. Bannon sets an adversarial tone, framing the show as a platform for those "primal screaming" against a "dying regime" and media dishonesty.
  • "You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people." (00:02)
• Claire Dooley introduces herself and the episode's themes: health freedom, medical industry accountability, and the epidemic of chronic illness. She describes the emotional genesis of her activism following the documentary "Vaxxed."
  • "There is nothing more important than preventing brain injury in children." (00:50)

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The Chronic Disease Epidemic & Media Corruption

Guest: Tony Lyons (President, MAHA Action)

• Scope of the Problem:
  • "76% of the American public suffers from a chronic disease. That is an epidemic of just unheard of proportion." (03:59)
• Corporate Capture & Media Influence:
  • "70% of the advertising for major networks comes from pharmaceutical companies… an incredible percentage of the advertising comes from these companies that are lying to the public, that are poisoning the public." (04:56)
  • "When Bobby Kennedy comes out… we get these incredible smear campaigns." (05:50)
• Healthcare Spending, Outcomes, and Policy Failure:
  • "We spend three times the amount of money on health care in this country than any of the other 30 industrialized countries. And we have much worse health outcomes." (05:36)
  • Claire draws a consumer analogy: "If you went into a store and you spent three times as much money as the store next to it, you would expect that you would leave with a better outcome." (06:09)

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MAHA Action’s Initiatives & Calls for Reform

• Reducing Toxic Load and Liability Shields
  • "We’re not going to get rid of all chemicals... but we can do so much better. We need to not have liability shields for anything. Not for vaccines, not for pesticides, not for chemicals in food." (06:41)
• Fighting Narrative Control:
  • "What is a conspiracy theorist? What is an anti-vaxxer? What is somebody who’s anti-science? These words are pharmaceutical company talking points… They’re meant to control the narrative." (07:29)

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Weaponization & Philosophy of Science

• Manipulation of “Science” Concept:
  • "You can’t believe in science. Science is not a religion. Science is a process." (08:41, Tony Lyons)
  • Discussion of "scientism" and class-based disenfranchisement of working-class Americans’ lived experiences and maternal knowledge. (09:33, Claire Dooley)
• Failures of Health Bureaucracy:
  • "In what world would you have somebody like Dr. Fauci who in everything that he was hired to do, he failed and yet he kept progressing… Children were sicker and sicker year after year." (10:54, Tony Lyons)

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Game Segment: Media Slander & RFK Jr.

• Light-hearted segment contrasting media rhetoric about RFK Jr. and Osama Bin Laden, illustrating perceived media hyperbole in attacks on reformers. (13:10)
  • Stephen K. Bannon: "Is it possible that the press rhetoric about Bobby Kennedy is a bit hyperbolic?" (13:27)

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Rural Health, Legislative Activism, & Grassroots Engagement

Guest: Lee Marinoff (Strategic Health Initiatives)

• Rural Health Initiative:
  • "Rural communities have really been neglected. The hospitals are shutting down. People are extremely unhealthy…" (18:02)
  • Discussion of a $50 billion federal program for rural health, bipartisan engagement from 23 states, and MAHA Action's role in mobilizing citizen input into reform proposals. (18:02–20:59)
• Legislative Tracker & Civic Engagement:
  • MAHA legislative tracker tool helps citizens engage state lawmakers in real time. (20:59)
  • "If you've never helped change a bill before, this is your beginning… you can go on, press your state… write an op-ed…" (21:25, Lee Marinoff)

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Culture War, Food, and Public Health Policy

• Narrative Shift & Political Stakes:
  • "Much of it is… a cultural war just as much as it’s a war to change what governors do…" (23:06, Tony Lyons)
  • Rapid rise in public awareness of formerly niche health topics (seed oils, food dyes, vaccine safety). (23:47)
  • "95% of the population in certain areas like vaccines... were just totally brainwashed. And now that’s been blown wide open." (24:27, Tony Lyons)
  • Discusses potential for MAHA Action to become decisive voting bloc (claims of 100–150 million supporters). (25:12, Tony Lyons)
• Food Quality and Public Health Costs:
  • "Democratic Party has started to say, well, pesticides aren’t really so bad for you. Ultra processed foods aren’t so bad for you. The New York Times runs these articles…" (29:56, Tony Lyons)
  • "Eating unhealthy food actually costs the government more… if they get a chronic disease later… we as taxpayers have to pay for that." (29:56, Tony Lyons)

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Improving Food Systems, School Lunches, and Basic Skills

• Teaching Basic Life Skills:
  • "We need to teach Americans how to cook again as a normal part of the… Part of the day… Sunday where you cook several meals for the week." (30:56, Lee Marinoff)
• International Comparisons & School Meals:
  • "If you look at Japan… every school in Japan has a chef. All the food that children eat in their schools, there are fresh foods that are cooked on the same day…" (31:49, Tony Lyons)
• Barriers and Reforms:
  • "There’s so many laws and regulations that prevent children from eating healthy food… we have got to change the laws and the regulations, then we have to refurbish kitchens…" (32:15, Lee Marinoff)

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Farm School & Documentary: Grassroots Solutions in Action

• Description of Farm School Project:
  • Teaching children practical skills—cooking, sewing, carpentry, survival—at Meadows Bee Farm School in Vermont. (33:33, Lee Marinoff; 34:16, Claire Dooley)
  • "There are 100 million homes in America. We’re going to figure out how many of those we can get into. And the idea is to teach skilling." (33:58, Lee Marinoff)
  • "How many American children… don’t know how to make a fire?" (34:16, Claire Dooley)
• Grassroots Media:
  • Documentary series in progress about the farm school’s practical education model. (34:16–35:04)
  • "I devoted the first… ten years or so of my career to documentary filmmaking exposing the vaccine industry corruption… later on I wanted to move into something more progressive… the Meadows Be Farm documentary series…" (38:35, Claire Dooley)

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Personal Story: “Sarah Doe” and Vaccine Mandate Litigation

Guest: "Sarah Doe" (16, New York student)

• Background:
  • Kicked out of school for not being vaccinated after NY repealed religious exemptions.
  • "I had to get, I think like 10 doses to get caught up just to be put back into school. And ever since I’ve gotten those, I’ve had… my whole body's had a reaction. It's, it’s been so bad." (41:13–41:33)
• Health Consequences:
  • Describes severe rashes, chronic symptoms, serious diagnoses (Uticaria, Von Willebrand), multiple hospitalizations, and persistent lack of medical support. (41:54–42:17, 46:00)
• Legal and Emotional Journey:
  • Family litigated, won a federal court case for school reinstatement with Children's Health Defense support, but ongoing battles continue. (47:19–47:55)
  • "As soon as I got kicked out of school, I didn’t realize like how bad it was to actually not be in school. And just sitting in my bed every day seeing other kids... I wondered what’s wrong with me?" (50:27)
• Advocacy & Support:
  • Call for prayers, support, and following Sarah's story as an example of medical discrimination. (50:52, Claire Dooley)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Bannon's Framing:
  • "This is the primal scream of a dying regime." (00:02, Stephen K. Bannon)
• Tony Lyons on Pharmaceutical Influence:
  • "70% of the advertising for major networks comes from pharmaceutical companies… that are lying to the public, that are poisoning the public." (04:56)
• On True Science:
  • "You can’t believe in science. Science is not a religion. Science is a process." (08:41, Tony Lyons)
• On Media Slander/Comparison Game:
  • "Is it possible that the press rhetoric about Bobby Kennedy is a bit hyperbolic?" (13:27, Stephen K. Bannon)
• Lee Marinoff on Skills & Preparedness:
  • "Only in America, we don’t know how to do anything." (35:46, Lee Marinoff)
  • "The harder I make it, the happier they are." (36:08, Lee Marinoff)
• Sarah Doe’s Pain:
  • "Ever since those vaccines, my body gets active flare-ups of like a rash all over my body and it feels like my whole body's on fire… It’s the worst feeling anyone can ever feel." (41:54, Sarah Doe)
• Systemic Critique:
  • "They make more money when we're sick. They do not make money off us being healthy." (11:58, Claire Dooley)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:02–00:45: Bannon’s opening, show context, and Claire Dooley’s introduction
• 03:56–08:09: Tony Lyons on chronic disease, pharma/media capture, narrative control
• 09:33–10:54: Class dynamics, gaslighting of the working class, failures of public health leaders
• 13:10–13:37: Satirical segment comparing media descriptions of RFK Jr. and Bin Laden
• 17:35–22:23: Lee Marinoff on rural health innovation, MAHA Action’s legislative tools
• 23:06–25:01: Political strategy, movement’s cultural impact, voting power
• 29:36–31:49: Food access debates, school lunches, and international comparisons
• 33:33–35:46: Overview of the farm school, life skills, and educational philosophy
• 40:06–42:17: “Sarah Doe” on being excluded from school, forced vaccination, and health impacts
• 47:36–50:52: Emotional consequences, legal battle, discrimination, call for support

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Tone & Atmosphere

• Urgent, combative, and populist: Strongly adversarial toward media, pharmaceutical industry, and government authorities; supportive and empathetic toward “everyday Americans,” particularly those harmed or marginalized by medical mandates.
• Empathetic and personal: Frequent stories of loss, injury, and resilience.
• Call to action: Heavy emphasis on grassroots mobilization, local engagement, and self-education.

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Resources & Further Engagement

• MAHA Action Legislative Tracker: mahaaction.com
• Farm School Documentary Landing Page: watchmettowsbee.com
• Children’s Health Defense: childrenshealthdefense.org
• Follow up on Sarah Doe’s legal case: Children’s Health Defense website

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Conclusion

This episode underscores the War Room’s position as a forum for dissent against the prevailing medical, governmental, and media establishment. Through a blend of policy critique, personal narrative, advocacy tools, and cultural initiatives, the hosts and guests call for transparency, self-sufficiency, civic engagement, and restoration of local and parental rights in health and education.

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Note: This summary excludes advertisements, promotional reads, and non-content segments.

Transcript

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

[Claire Dooley]

MAGA Media.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Tony Lyons]

War room.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Claire Dooley]

All right, three, two, one. Good morning. Today is November 8, 2025, in the year of your. In the year of our Lord. My name is Claire Dooley. We're live from the Children's Self Defense Conference in Austin, Texas. It's called the Moment of Truth. So why am I here? Why am I hosting? Who am I? I'm a documentary filmmaker. I've been making films for the past 10 years about health freedom. I watched the movie Vax at 15 years old and decided that it was something I wanted to give my life to. There is nothing more important than preventing brain injury in children. There's nothing more important than preventing a mother from holding her lifeless child whenever that could have been prevented. And she was giving that child a medical intervention that she was told would help her baby, when in fact it did the exact opposite. And. And then she's left to deal with the consequences. She's left to pay the medical bills. She's left to go search for the doctors that can actually help her. The medical industry has abandoned these families. They've gaslit these families. And I would go so far as to also say that they're covering it up. That was what the Vax movie was about. It was about the CDC covering up fraud. They knew that the MMR vaccine was causing autism, and instead of telling the American people, they hid it. That's a crime against humanity. In 1986, the Congress passed an act that took away liability from vaccine manufacturers. So many children were being injured that the pharmaceutical companies came to Congress and said, hey, we can't keep making vaccines because we can't ensure the supply of them because we're getting sued so much. So we gave them legal immunity. And what happened after that? The vaccine schedule tripled. Right? Children today get four times, three times, almost four times as much as people did, I don't know, 40, 50 years ago. So that's what we're dealing with. This is the scene that we're in. We are in an epidemic of chronic illness. And I have brought on a guest today that I'm going to throw off the show with to talk a little bit about this chronic illness epidemic and why, because it affects every single American person. Think about your life. Who do you know who's died of cancer? Who do you know who's died of heart disease? Who do you know who has autism, any kind of developmental delays or disabilities? I mean, who do you know who's in a wheelchair, who's had to have a stent put in their heart, who's had to be in and out of the hospitals, in and out of urgent cares? I mean, this is an issue that is way more pervasive. This affects every single American human being. And I think that that's why the posse needs to be here. That's why they need to be in the room, because this is is on their hearts, even if they don't know it. So today, joining me right now is Tony Lyons. We're live from the Children's Health Defense Conference. And we're going to be talking to him about why it's important, why are we here, what are we doing, how are we trying to fix things? I call Tony Lyons the offense. I call children's self defense the defense. So thank you so much for joining us, Tony.

[Tony Lyons]

Yeah, thanks for having me here.

[Claire Dooley]

Yeah.

[Tony Lyons]

I mean, 76% of the American public suffers from a chronic disease. You know, that is an epidemic of just unheard of proportion. So all around the world, countries spend less money and have so much better health outcomes. And that's because we have captured government agencies, we have corrupt public officials, and we have these big companies that are controlling everything, and we need to fight back. So, you know, what's really happened now is that in the course of one year, the whole narrative has changed. So millions and millions of Americans who trusted anything they were told because they were lied to, they were propagandized, they were convinced by these companies that spent billions of dollars doing it. You know, they were really brainwashed.

[Claire Dooley]

Can we get into that a little bit? Right. So that's the direct market to consumer advertising. You want to talk a little bit about that?

[Tony Lyons]

Yeah, that's right. I mean. I mean, a very big part of why the media is controlled is that 70% of the advertising for major networks comes from pharmaceutical companies. So if we could change that, we could really make big progress. 70%, you know, CNN has said that, that it's as much as 70%. So you know, it's not always going to be true. But it's an incredible percentage of the advertising comes from these companies that are lying to the public, that are poisoning the public. And then the result of that then is that when Bobby Kennedy comes out and when his whole team comes out and they start to tell the truth for the first time in a generation, we get these incredible smear campaigns. So we get these companies going to war against people who are telling the truth to the public because they want to protect their revenue stream. They want to protect these incredible profits that have made it so that we spend three times the amount of money on health care in this company, in this country than any of the other 30 industrialized countries. And we have much worse health outcomes.

[Claire Dooley]

We were just actually talking about that, you know, like if you went into a store and you spent three times as much money as the store next to it, you would expect that you would leave with a better outcome. And so we also, you know what's happening right now? The government shut down. Democrats are talking about reform with Obamacare. They're trying to hint at making America healthier by just still dumping more and more money into the same systems that are making us sick. So at Maha Action, we're doing something different. Let's talk a little bit about what we're doing at Maha Action.

[Tony Lyons]

Yeah, so there are all kinds of different things that are big priorities for us, but one of them is to lower the toxic load on every American. So we're not going to get rid of all chemicals, we're not going to get rid of all toxins in food. Maybe that ship has sailed, but we can do so much better. And that's what we're really trying to fight back on. So what's happening is that we need to not have liability shields for anything. Not for vaccines, not for pesticides, not for chemicals in food. I mean, these are, this is a system that's set up to protect these companies, not to protect the American public. And we need to start protecting our children.

[Claire Dooley]

That, I think makes you a conspiracy theorist and a misinformation spreader today. Yeah.

[Tony Lyons]

Let me just tell you about these words that have been co opted. So what is a conspiracy theorist? What is an anti vaxxer? What is somebody who's anti science? These words are pharmaceutical company talking points. They're meant to control the narrative. Anybody who really believes in science believes in dialogue, they believe in debate. And they would, they relish anybody coming forward and contradicting them. Because that's what science is. You have to be able to stand up and, and defend your point of view. Not by censoring people, not by lying to people, not by threatening to people, not by de platforming people, but by having a better argument.

[Claire Dooley]

Yeah, actually the Maha Institute just had an amazing roundtable last month where called the Weaponization of Science. I had the privilege of being there and helping with production and it was an incredible roundtable. They really digged into, you know, how science has been co opted. What even is science? Right? What does it mean whenever you say believe science? I mean, how do you believe in something that is a system, not a fact? And so, yeah, you guys can check that out if you go to the Maha Institute, Instagram. I wanted to actually touch.

[Tony Lyons]

That's a great point. I mean, you know, you can't believe in science. Science is not a religion. Science is a process. So science, you want people to disagree. The last thing you want to do is believe in science. Science is not static. So we want science changing all the time. Any doctor will tell you that when they went to medical school, their medical books were just littered with things that turn out not to be true, but they were the best that we had at the time. And that's always going to be true that every moment, every year, things are changing. And we want change. We want radical transparency, but we also want to question the status quo. That's what science is. It's questioning the status quo all the time, every day, as loudly as you can, with as many new facts as you can.

[Claire Dooley]

Absolutely. And when you say that, it actually kind of brings up some thoughts for me. You know, being from a small town in Mississippi, the majority of my family are not university college educated. And so I feel like a lot of times this is a, this can also become a classes issue. Right. You have people who went to university who, you know, think that they are better than the average American, you know, working class member, better than people on the posse, you know, whoever that is, and they think that they can then look down upon them and say, oh no, you're spreading misinformation. When, for example, a mother takes her child in to the doctor, she knows her child better than anyone else, that child gets five shots in one day, goes home, starts banging their head, screaming for hours on end, has seizures, she goes back to the doctor, says, oh my gosh, my kid's sick. And what are the, what does that, you know, university, medical industry, doctor say oh, that wasn't the vaccine or that's totally normal. Just give them some Tylenol. This is the situation we're in. I mean, the American citizens are being gaslit and saying, oh, you have to believe in science, believe in us, have faith in us. This is pretty much a preview of actually scientism, which we can, we can touch on later in the show. Joe Allen is a great expert that comes on often about that.

[Tony Lyons]

Yeah, but these are really great points that, you know, the leaders who we've had over the last generation, they've lied their ways to the top, they've failed their ways to the top. I mean, in what world would you have somebody like Dr. Fauci who in everything that he was hired to do, he failed and yet he kept progressing, he kept getting paid more and more money. To the extent that he was getting paid more than the President, he was really the most powerful person in the country for a long period of time and he had never succeeded in anything. Children were sicker and sicker year after year. So, you know, this is not what happens in a private company.

[Lee Marinoff]

The.

[Tony Lyons]

This is not what happens in any other area. But it happens in a government that's become co opted, that's become corrupt, that's become run by these people whose sole purpose is to extract as much money from the American public as they possibly can while telling parents that they're crazy by ignoring the health of their own children. I mean, what could be more despicable.

[Claire Dooley]

Than that they make more money when we're sick. They did not make money off us being healthy in the current system that we have built in the United States. And that's why I'm really excited about RFK Jr. As secretary of HHS. I think he's doing a fantastic job at trying to truly move forward and make America healthier. I actually want to play a quick clip of RFK Jr and we'll pop back in and talk with someone else.

[Voice Actor (news quotes)]

He thrives on spreading lies to the vulnerable. That is definitely me.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

That has been lauded.

[Lee Marinoff]

That has been lied.

[Voice Actor (news quotes)]

That was been lauded.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We noticed that RFK Jr. S portrayal in the press is sometimes a little over the top. So we decided to play a little game and compare real quotes from real news outlets.

[Sarah Doe]

Thank you.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Let's see what happens.

[Voice Actor (news quotes)]

His actions cause global damage and catastrophe. Is that me?

[Claire Dooley]

Sadly, that's you.

[Lee Marinoff]

Sorry.

[Voice Actor (news quotes)]

He's obsessed with bringing down America. That's been lied. He is reckless and dangerous. That's me.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Correct.

[Voice Actor (news quotes)]

He unites people in fear. That would be me.

[Claire Dooley]

Probably Bin Laden.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Oh, good.

[Voice Actor (news quotes)]

That's sweet. He must be held accountable and brought to justice. That's bin Laden.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

That was you.

[Voice Actor (news quotes)]

Oh, God. History will judge him as a monster. I'm saying. That's bin Laden.

[Claire Dooley]

Yeah, that's bin Laden. Yeah.

[Voice Actor (news quotes)]

He's a global threat. That's Osama bin Laden.

[Claire Dooley]

Sadly, that's you.

[Voice Actor (news quotes)]

He's a fanatic consumed by conspiracy. That's probably me.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Nope.

[Tony Lyons]

Bin Laden.

[Voice Actor (news quotes)]

Oh, good. He's an evil nihilist. I know that's me because I remember that one.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's also bin Laden.

[Voice Actor (news quotes)]

That's economical of them.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Is it possible that the press rhetoric about Bobby Kennedy is a bit hyperbolic?

[Claire Dooley]

So we want to talk a little bit more with you guys soon. I'm actually going to throw to you, Tony. We had a couple more comments you wanted to make about.

[Tony Lyons]

Yeah, there were a couple things, and one of the things that you should have gotten from that clip is that, you know, they want to portray Secretary Kennedy and President Trump as being a danger to the public. You know, that their public health views are a danger. And the truth is that they're just a danger to corporate profits. They're a danger to this corrupt system that's poisoned the American public. And when you look at some of the facts, and there's one fact that I think a lot of you will really like to hear which will resonate with you, and that is that during COVID where we were told that people were crazy, people were dangerous who wouldn't get vaccinated, but during that exact period of time, we let 10 million unvaccinated people come across the border. So where's the logic there? Of course, it was not about public health. It was about controlling the American public. Otherwise, we would never, we would have shut the border down entirely. We would not have let one unvaccinated person come across that border. But that's not what happened.

[Claire Dooley]

Absolutely. You guys, we're gonna take a short break. We're gonna come back to you with Lee Marinoff, and she's gonna talk to us about some rural health reform at hhs.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Claire Dooley]

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[Lee Marinoff]

Thank you. I love being here with you.

[Claire Dooley]

So we have actually a headline we wanted to bring up. Lee recently has been doing some really powerful stuff with the Strategic Health Initiatives and MAHA Action. This is through Strategic Initiatives MAHA is supporting supporting Rural Health Nationwide. Lee, tell us a little bit about what you've been doing You've been traveling the country, you've been like, every time I call her, she's in a different place right now.

[Lee Marinoff]

Well, we at MAHA Action really wanted to support the rural communities. And I was at the governor's meeting in Colorado in August when this all came about. Dr. Oz, through CMS, came up with a plan with, I think, a lot of the governors in talking how to best support the states. And one of the things that they saw is that the rural communities have really been neglected. The hospitals are shutting down. People are extremely unhealthy or more unhealthy than they are in the cities. And they came up with a great plan that was put on such a fast track, like the biggest fast track we've ever had. Six weeks they gave the states to apply for $50 billion for rural, rural communities. And they, they split it up. The first 25 billion, they decided to allocate to all the states equally. And that was just to, I, I think get their attention, say that we're really interested in this. But the second 25 billion, they had to submit proposals for. And this, this came out. We were all waiting for the application. It came out and they said they're due. Even though the government shut down, the applications have to be in. And they were in this past week, November 5th, we at MAHA Action had 12 great ideas, but obviously that was too much. The governors didn't really know us, so we came up with the top four. And we, we didn't have any kind of access to the governor, so we just started calling, asking our friends, who knows whom and, and any appointments we could get. We just got on a plane and, and went to different states. And, and now the applications do. Now it's in CMS's court. They have six weeks to figure out how they're going to allocate all $50 billion. And we will hear December 31st. We're all taking a break, trying to catch up on everything we missed before. And then we'll go back out and see how we can help support with experts the things that MAHA Action really thinks will help make the rural communities healthier again.

[Claire Dooley]

Yeah, and, and there was also. Was it about 20 states that are participating? This is something like that.

[Lee Marinoff]

We have about 23 states that actually engaged with us and they were bipartisan, both, both Republican and Democratic states. In the end, we've been trying to see the different applications and we'll get foa. We'll, we'll do FOA requests for anyone that we can't find. But in the End the, the states all made them pretty general and they'll be looking around and asking for pilots and they'll probably do a lot of requests for proposal in January. So our, our recommendation is that citizens get involved. And Steve, you have a way to make your rural community healthier. You know, get, this is the time to get involved. Call your legislators, call your senators, call your governor, and let's see if we can all help.

[Claire Dooley]

Absolutely. There's actually a Maha legislative tracker that you can find on mahaaction.com that can tell you, you can put in your information. It can tell you who your legislators are, who in your area is Maha friendly or not, what bills you can find. It's pretty incredible what Maha is doing. Lee, do you have any other suggestions for specific things? How can people mobilize? What can they do?

[Lee Marinoff]

First of all, we have a couple million people that have let us know that they are behind us and we know that there are lots more. So this legislative tracker you spoke about is phenomenal. You go on, if you've never helped change a bill before, this is your beginning. We have bills of the week and you can go on, press down, press your state. So I'm from Vermont. You press the state. And we're trying to stop, you know, a mask law. So in our state, anytime they want, they can make all the kids in schools put on masks. I don't think that's a good thing. So how do I do it? So it tells you how to change it? We have ideas. How do you write an OP ed? Like get out there, write an op ed and you don't have to run for a, to be a House member that you should. And I encourage it. A lot of young people are doing that, but we are at Maha Action really, really trying to help motivate just everyone to get involved and help us change laws. And we will be giving more and more ideas of how to do that, how to engage.

[Claire Dooley]

Absolutely. So these two people next to me, Tony Lyons, Lee Marinoff, I am so proud to be in the room with you and to even get to work with you. Maha Action is doing a lot of incredible work all the time. I'm so proud to see, you know, there's this new, new Maha report. Every single, there's several times a day the Maha report goes out. You can learn about what's going on when it comes to Maha in our, in our country. Tony and Lee, I have a question for you, Tony. When all this was going on, you know, what, what is that like as, as the president of Maha. And then we have Lee here, who's running across the country. You know, how are you guys working together to make it, make it happen?

[Tony Lyons]

Well, you know, much of it is. It's a question of, you know, I see this as a cultural war just as much as it's a war to change what governors do, to change what states do, you know, because the legal system works slowly. And what we've seen in a very short period of time is that the whole narrative has begun to change. And so there were words that one year ago, nobody had heard of petroleum based food dyes. Who was using that word or that, that phrase one year ago, who was talking about beef tallow. So you go to restaurants now and the waiters will tell you that they cook their fries in beef tallow.

[Claire Dooley]

Seed oil, scout.

[Tony Lyons]

So seed oils. You know, there's so many different words. You know, even ultra processed foods. Nobody really knew what that was one year ago. And you know, even more importantly, nobody thought that it was okay to talk about whether vaccines were safe or not, or to talk about whether pesticides on vegetables were safe, or to talk about, you know, all kinds of different drugs. So we were at this point where 95% of the population in certain areas like vaccines, maybe it was 98% were just totally brainwashed. And now that's been blown wide open so that people really believe that they can talk about anything. And that is such an incredible change. And what we need to do is look at that rate of change, but also look at the fact that this Maha movement is just an incredible gift to the Republican Party. And we want to make sure that the Republican party recognizes that. And I believe that Republicans all around the country, 90 or 95% of them, really do recognize that and want that and are begging their politicians to back the Maha movement.

[Claire Dooley]

What does that number look like? I mean, when it comes to Maha being able to swing an election, isn't it something like give us the numbers on, you know, what kind of voting base we have now?

[Tony Lyons]

Sure. I mean, last week was just clearly a wake up call for Republicans that, you know, they should have used the Maha base so much better. We were ready. There were millions and millions. Not 2 million, not 10 million, but 100 million or 150 million people. You know, in all kinds of polling we've done, there's just such widespread backing for these ideas. But we have a lot of politicians who've taken a lot of money from a lot of these companies and that has to change. And they have to recognize that their base, their voters want this change, they're demanding this change. And if they give it to them, that if they begin to really see that they can raise money from this base, that they can win elections from this base, then I think we're going to see a massive victory in the midterms and that's what we really want.

[Claire Dooley]

Absolutely. I mean, I don't think there's anything more pro American than being pro health. Lee, do you have a comment on that?

[Lee Marinoff]

Yes. As we traveled around the country, I've spoken with so many just random people that said that they, outside of their doctor's advice, just changed their diets. And many of them I've met so many people that have lost a hundred pounds, that seems like the magic number. They've lost 100 pounds, they've gotten off their diabetic medication and it's all through going on a different kind of diet that is very easily available to most Americans. And so we are, we are putting that forward. And I'm telling you, if we flip school lunches, if we change the food in hospitals, if we get Americans to not be as diabetic as they are now, and that happens under President Trump and Secretary Kennedy. We are heroes and that is the road we're going down. That is the message that we need to put push. And these are not people that even have heard anything about Maha. This is what people are doing and we are ready and this is our time. So I could not be more excited.

[Claire Dooley]

This is our time. That's how I feel. I'm like we are, we are pushing ahead as, as quickly as we can. We're gonna take a short break right after this. But before we go, I want to tell you guys a little bit about Patriot Mobile. So Patriot Mobile has been around for over 12 years. I realize there's a lot of different carriers you can can choose like at&t or whoever else but Patriot Mobile.

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[Sarah Doe]

All right.

[Claire Dooley]

I'm Claire Dooley. We're live from the Children's Health Defense Conference 2025. Moment of truth in Austin, Texas. I have Tony Lyons, president of MAHA Action, joining me and Lee Marinoff. Tony, we were talking a little bit over the break about how some Democrats say that, you know, we need to, we don't want to medicate the. Sorry. It was about the food. Right. So we want to feed people to keep them from getting sick, but the food that we're giving them is actually making them sick. You want to talk a little bit more about that?

[Tony Lyons]

Sure. The idea is that is that there's not that much food, that there are a lot of poor people, and that we have to just get them calories. So the idea there is just so crazy because, you know, they say, well, we can't afford to have healthy food, Tony.

[Lee Marinoff]

We can't afford not to have healthy food.

[Tony Lyons]

Right. And, you know, eating unhealthy food actually costs the government more. So if you look at Medicare or Medicaid, they're responsible for these people's health for their whole lives. So if they get a chronic disease later, we as taxpayers have to pay for that. So, you know, it really is true now that the Democratic Party has started to say, well, pesticides aren't really so bad for you. Ultra processed foods aren't so bad for you. The New York Times runs these articles, and you have people going on to, you know, Instagram eating, you know, glasses filled with food dyes. So, you know, this is just a really crazy point. And it gets back to the idea that this is such a gift to the Republican Party that MAHA really has the ability to galvanize millions and millions of voters who recognize that they're just being lied to, that these ideas are bad ideas and they're unhealthy and they're killing our children.

[Lee Marinoff]

Well, I totally agree with that, Tony. And the thing is there are a Few things that we have to change right now, because a lot of times people get unhealthy food and they eat it because they don't know how to cook. We need to teach Americans how to cook again as a normal part of the. Part of the day, to take a chicken, to throw it in a pot of water, to make a soup, to make a stew, to make something that lasts, that has leftovers. Leftovers have to be the new common theme in a family group. We need to have a Sunday where you cook several meals for the week. And I think our job is, is to figure out how to make that possible. How do people afford it, how do they do it? And I think that's a lot of what Maha action can do to support hhs and we can support President Trump.

[Tony Lyons]

Such a great point, Lee. I mean, if you look at Japan, you know, something like 20 years ago, they stopped mandating vaccines. The kids are so much less medicated. And every school in Japan has a chef. So all the food that children eat in their schools, there are fresh foods that are cooked on the same day that the kids eat them. Whereas here, what do kids eat in school?

[Lee Marinoff]

Right. And I just want to say I've worked on school lunches for a long time in the state of Vermont, and there's so many laws and regulations that prevent children from eating healthy food. And that is something that I think that President Trump sees it. I think they see that HHS and we have got to change the laws and the regulations, then we have to re refurbish kitchens, rebuild kitchens, and that that costs money. And we've got to figure out how to do this. That is part of the Rural Health Transformation Program. And I think we're on our way.

[Claire Dooley]

I think, honestly, Lee, I've seen you in action for three years at your farm school in Vermont. I don't think there's a better person to be doing this than you. I think I would call you an expert. You know, when you go to Lee's farm school, you see kids eating real food, eating whole foods. You know, maybe it's meat, maybe it's a little bit of fresh, organic sourdough, some cheese, some raw milk, some berries that they made and canned themselves. Blueberries.

[Lee Marinoff]

I wanted to actually forget the ferments.

[Claire Dooley]

Fermented foods, yes. That's a great point. And ancestral foods as well. I wanted to talk a little bit about your farm schoolie before we had out, you know, how long has the farm school been around? What are you guys doing? What's the future you know, give us the run.

[Lee Marinoff]

Well, our farm school's been around for 15 years and I really learned farming outside of this country, working on another program in Africa and Asia. We now have such a demand for classes that we, we cannot keep up. And so starting in January, we really want to have a bigger online presence. We are hoping that, that we will learn. I mean, I'm old, so that's what I'm here for.

[Sarah Doe]

Right.

[Lee Marinoff]

I don't know how I'll do it, but five young friends like you, Claire, and we're going to figure out how to try to bring this. There are 100 million homes in America. We're going to figure out how many of those we can get into. And the idea is to teach skilling. Cooking, sewing. Sewing is first. Cooking, sewing, basic building.

[Claire Dooley]

Yeah. Carpentry, kids, I mean, also even just basic survival skills. How many American children don't or people don't know how to make a fire? Right? Like that's a basic survival skill that got humanity to where it is. And many of them don't even understand how to do such a thing. So I went to the farm school. I started making a documentary series about the farm school three years ago. We're kind of soft launching it, talking about it now. Nothing's released quite yet. We're gonna show you guys the trailer soon. But I do have to say that even as an adult who, you know, as a kid, I grew up in rural Mississippi. Mississippi. I still, I thought I knew a lot about homesteading and I, I found out I didn't really know anything. Most of the six year olds there know more, knew more than I did and I learned a lot being there. So Lee, before we go, how can people find you? Are you on social media and stuff?

[Lee Marinoff]

Well, okay, we are on Instagram and we do have an account, it's called Meadows Bee. And then our, our farm program is called Young Farmer Starts.

[Claire Dooley]

Young Farmers.

[Lee Marinoff]

You can find us. I mean we're, we're a little. Getting better. Yeah, we're working on it with your help, Claire.

[Claire Dooley]

If you also, I did make a landing page for, for our documentary series. So if you go to watchmettowsbee.com you can sign up for email, our email list and we can send you updates. We have actually a couple things in the shop there where you can buy for Christmas. Coming up, there's a couple sewing tutorials, really cute kind of stuff for beginning beginner sewing things. So yeah, you guys should definitely check it out. We are going to play the trailer.

[Lee Marinoff]

This was empty Just like the other one. Everywhere around the world, people take care of themselves. Only in America, we don't know how to do anything. Twelve bees.

[Claire Dooley]

It's their entire life's work. Makes one teaspoon of honey.

[Lee Marinoff]

I've started a new program called Young Farmer Starts. It's people giving of their time and sharing their skills with young children. And the harder I make it, the happier they are.

[Claire Dooley]

You guys can get in your grip so we can get this day rolling. We're teaching kids where their food comes from, how it actually grows, the hard work that goes into it.

[Lee Marinoff]

By running children through real life experiences, they get a mastery and an understanding. Understanding and the compassion. We get kids to love being alive.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This vote is for the budget.

[Tony Lyons]

Just to be clear, everybody join us.

[Lee Marinoff]

And let's keep the school open and let's keep this community thriving.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I have never seen any human being that was able to impart some skills on that. You didn't watch their anxiety level change as having skills in doing something. They found belief in oneself was easier.

[Claire Dooley]

Why do you think they get so restful up against your chest.

[Lee Marinoff]

When people come in and say that.

[Claire Dooley]

Not a good education. They don't see it. They don't see the kids coming here.

[Lee Marinoff]

Once a week and farming.

[Claire Dooley]

They don't see the value of teaching a kid how to plant a seed.

[Tony Lyons]

My father used to say problems are.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Great opportunities in disguise.

[Claire Dooley]

Well, if you take away all your.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Kids problems, they have new opportunities.

[Lee Marinoff]

Hold on. As a civilization we have needs to be met. My goal in all the programs I've developed is to have a child that feels like they belong.

[Claire Dooley]

This one's for apple picking. Here's a level 2 one. This one's for sheeping. Another sheeping one. This one's for making fires. So you can make a fire. How old are you?

[Lee Marinoff]

Seven.

[Claire Dooley]

That's really cool. And this one's about like herbals. So I devoted the first, I don't know, say, 10 years or so of my career to documentary filmmaking exposing the vaccine industry corruption. You know, I went through several different films that I was on the team of VAX2, which covered thousands of children who were injured by vaccines. 1986, the act, which kind of goes into the history of why the pharmaceutical industry gained liability against vaccine, against being sued for harming people. But later on I wanted to move into something more progressive, something that pushed us forward. And that is the Meadows Be Farm documentary series. We'll be releasing it sometime soon, coming early next year. So if you want to go and sign up for the Email list. I can give you guys updates as much as I can. We have a cute little shop. You know, Christmas is coming up. My little daughter loves, she's 18 months. She loves wearing the little T shirts from Meadows Bee Farm. Every day she picks them out. I had to get like four of them because they would get so dirty. Anyways, so, yeah, you guys definitely check it out. Joining me right now is Sarah Doe, which I am very happy to have you here. Thanks for being here. Thank you for having me. So Sarah, Sarah Doe was actually kicked out of school for not complying with the vaccine mandate, is that correct?

[Sarah Doe]

Yes.

[Claire Dooley]

If you want to go a little bit into. We've got about two minutes till the break and then we'll take a break, we'll come back. But if you want to tell us a little bit about what your life was like whenever you were in school.

[Sarah Doe]

When I was in school?

[Claire Dooley]

Yeah, when you were in school. Okay.

[Sarah Doe]

So when I was in school it was like, wait, I'm scared.

[Claire Dooley]

Our lovely, our lovely Sarah Doe joining us is 16 years old. This is probably one of her first live interviews. But I'm so happy you're here. But for you, you know, were you enjoying your school experience?

[Sarah Doe]

Yeah, yeah, very much. And they took it all away. But.

[Claire Dooley]

Right, so. So at a certain, for a certain period of time, Sarah Doe, you had no vaccinations, is that correct?

[Sarah Doe]

Yeah, till 2019 I didn't have any vaccinations because I had a religious exemption.

[Claire Dooley]

Okay. And then at a certain point, what state do you live in?

[Sarah Doe]

I live in New York.

[Claire Dooley]

You live in New York, that religious exemption was removed? Yeah. So that means that she's then put in a position where she has to be vaccinated to go to school. So, so what happened? Were you vaccinated at that point?

[Sarah Doe]

I had to get, I think like 10 doses to get caught up just to be put back into school. And ever since I've gotten those, I've had like my whole body's had a reaction. It's, it's been so bad. I've never been the same since those vaccines.

[Claire Dooley]

Yeah, I actually was talking about it with Michael Caine, who we had on yesterday about some of the health issues that you've experienced since then. You know, what would you describe that as? Was that obviously it's not an enjoyable experience. Right. I mean, I mean, what, how did your life change?

[Sarah Doe]

So ever since those vaccines, my body gets active flare ups of like a rash all over my body and it feels like my whole body's on fire. And it just feels. It's. It feels like it's insane. It's the worst feeling anyone can ever feel.

[Claire Dooley]

Incredibly painful. I know this might be a technical question, Sarah Doe, but do you have any certain diagnoses that came about after you were vaccinated?

[Sarah Doe]

So I have Uticaria, I have Von Willebrand, I have.

[Claire Dooley]

Various other.

[Sarah Doe]

Various other things.

[Claire Dooley]

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[Claire Dooley]

All right, so we're coming back out of the break. We have Sarah Doe with us. She was just talking to us about her vaccine injury. Before we talk with her, I actually wanted to mention something that I don't really talk about much, which is that I lived in Mississippi who did not have religious exemptions for vaccines for kids in school. So I was homeschooled until fifth grade. And in fifth grade, I was caught up. I had five shots in one day and experienced what would be diagnosed as pots. You know, as a young person, I couldn't stand without my vision blacking out. I bruised easily. I couldn't run on the playground anymore. I had no energy. You know, I would I would frequently faint. There was a lot of issues that I had. And to explain to a kid that, you know, hey, I was healthy, and then I wasn't healthy, and this thing happened. I got this medical treatment, but just because it's a vaccine, all of a sudden we completely dismiss it, Right? Oh, well, that can't be that it's safe and effective. Well, it's not safe and effective. You can look at the vaccine inserts. All these side effects are on the vaccine inserts. Doctors won't tell you that, but the pharmaceutical companies will on their product packages. So, Sarado, that's my background, so I know where you're coming from. I wanted to talk a little bit about some of your experiences. So Sarah shared with me that she has chronic Lyme disease. Now, she's been hospitalized twice, had severe kidney issues. She was septic. She almost died following vaccination. And despite all these side effects you've experienced, have you found any doctors that have been able to help you in any way?

[Sarah Doe]

So, no, but we keep looking for one day. Hopefully they can help us.

[Claire Dooley]

Yeah, that would be amazing. Yeah. So tell me a little bit about. So. So you. Then we were caught up on shots you got in school. Were you ever able to finish getting caught up?

[Sarah Doe]

So we had to take a break because after I got all those shots, my arms started having reactions, and I wasn't able to play the sports anymore because of my arms. So we had to take a break from that. And then we. Starting last year, I moved to a different school, and the school nurse there looked at my chart and noticed that I didn't have one of the Hep B vaccines, but I had two of them, and I just needed one more. And so she, like, she told the.

[Claire Dooley]

Administration and so on and so forth. And then. So what did that look like? You know, was it a letter sent to your parents and. Yeah, and then it said, look, you have to get this shot. You can't come back to school. No.

[Sarah Doe]

Yeah. And so knowing my mom, she kept fighting, and she just told the school, she said, I'm just going to keep going to doctors and just keep getting medical exemptions until you finally accept it. And they never did.

[Claire Dooley]

Right?

[Sarah Doe]

Yeah.

[Claire Dooley]

So then you guys. You guys went through a court case to argue that, hey, Mrs. Defying our religious beliefs or medical needs. And so I know it's kind of tough for you probably, to give me specifics on legal updates, but didn't you guys win something?

[Sarah Doe]

Yeah, so we made case law and we won federal court, and that put me back into school, but the fight's still not over. I'm still not fully done with being back in school. They try to put me back in the 10th grade, and my mom fought it again, so they dropped that.

[Claire Dooley]

But. So what's it been like for you? I mean, with friends in school and, you know, how do your peers feel about it? Are they like, oh, no.

[Sarah Doe]

So the peers don't.

[Lee Marinoff]

Like.

[Sarah Doe]

My peers don't really. Like, they don't really care. Like, they don't really know about it. But some of the kids, they do make fun of me, but I don't let that bother me. I know.

[Claire Dooley]

That's right. Yeah.

[Sarah Doe]

Yeah. But I've been making a lot of, like, new friends, and it's been amazing this school year. It's so amazing to be back.

[Claire Dooley]

Back in school, which is your right. Are you in a public school?

[Sarah Doe]

Yeah.

[Claire Dooley]

Yeah. So your family pays taxes for you to go to school, and they're being denied the right to education because she's missing one vaccine, which, by the way, is very difficult to spread hepatitis B from one student to another.

[Sarah Doe]

Also, if you have active hep B. If you have active hep B, you still can go to school.

[Claire Dooley]

Okay, so if you have a active Hep B infection, you can still go to school, but if you don't have the vaccine, you can't come here. Tell me how that makes sense. Listen, Sarah, how can people find info about your court case? Which, by the way, Children's Health Defense is helping you out with? Right, so Children's Health Defense is helping defend Cerrido.

[Sarah Doe]

The.

[Claire Dooley]

This is part of our legal litigation department. We're very proud to be helping Sarah Jo as much as we can. But do you know, you know, how can people follow you or learn more about your story and follow along and help you in any way? Do you have anything? Do you have, like, Instagram?

[Sarah Doe]

I have Instagram.

[Claire Dooley]

Okay.

[Sarah Doe]

It's like, I have TikTok. Instagram. I don't know.

[Claire Dooley]

But I don't know if we're allowed to give her information out.

[Sarah Doe]

So maybe I'll make, like, a public account.

[Claire Dooley]

Yeah, maybe a public account or something like that. Listen, before we go, Sarah Doe, I. I know that. I see how you are. You are very strong, young lady. You are composing yourself. You're not getting bogged down on the details of like or playing a victim mentality, but you're fighting for your future. But I do. I want our guests to be able to connect with you in the way that, like, I'm sure they have Children, you know, how can you describe what has been taken away from you? Why, why is it that you have to be going through this right now? If you, if you could describe to me what it's been like for you emotionally. Has it been tough?

[Sarah Doe]

Very tough. I, as soon as I got kicked out of school, I didn't realize like how bad it was to actually not be in school. And just sitting in my bed every day seeing other kids be able to go to school and not being able to go to school, I wondered what's wrong with me? Why can't I go to school? You know? And it was just that time in my life was kind of, it was all blank because I don't.

[Claire Dooley]

And it's okay to be emotional about is because you deserve to be and you've been strong for a very long time. Posse Send her some love. Pray for her. Pray for her court case. We want to help her as much as we can. When we take the break, I'm going to give this awesome young lady a hug because what happened to you is discriminatory. You are not able to continue to be vaccinated. And even if you didn't want to have those vaccines at all, that's no one's business. You should have been able to, to go to school. And that is not fair. To put that pressure on a 15 year old not to call you a child, but on a 15 year old child, that's absolutely ridiculous. Like I said, Posi pray for Sarah Doe. Send her some love. Sign up for the email updates on children's health defense.org and you can probably learn more about her court case there. And yeah, we'll, we'll see you guys soon. We're going to take a short break.

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