Episode 4915: Building A Personal Offense Against Big Tech; Marines 250

Summary

Podcast Episode Summary

Podcast: Bannon's War Room
Episode: 4915 – Building A Personal Offense Against Big Tech; Marines 250
Date: November 10, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Notable Guests: Erik Prince, Jack Posobiec, Major General Austin Renforth, Michael Pack, Admiral Sonny Masso, Taj Gill, Mike Lindell

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Overview:

This episode commemorates the 250th anniversary of the United States Marine Corps, reflecting on its storied history, valor, and enduring legacy. The conversation transitions between honoring fallen Marines and the meaning of service, before pivoting to an in-depth discussion with Erik Prince about building secure communications technology (“The Unplugged Phone”) in the age of Big Tech surveillance. Additional highlights include discussions of military documentaries, remembrance ceremonies in Philadelphia, and ongoing efforts to preserve naval and marine history.

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1. Commemorating the 250th Anniversary of the Marines

Honoring the Corps and the Fallen

• Live report from Jack Posobiec at the Philadelphia Vietnam Veterans Memorial, where the names of fallen Marines are read out—a poignant reminder of sacrifice.

  • [01:26] Jack Posobiec: "They're going through every single name... the list of the KIA for this unit. Steve, seven pages long, single spaced."
  • [16:54] Jack Posobiec: "It's a cold day, it's a rainy day... But that didn't stop the Marines... They're ringing a bell for each person who died."
  • [18:10] Steve Bannon: "Talk to me about Philadelphia as the birthplace... the Marine Corps was founded in Philadelphia 250 years ago today at Tun Tavern."
  • The reading of Taps and prayer mark somber moments of reflection [19:27–21:09].

• Major General Austin Renforth reflects on Marine Corps heritage and service:

  • [22:32] Maj. Gen. Renforth: “We don’t just honor the Marine Corps, we celebrate it…remembering our brothers and sisters that have gone before us and just taking pride in the fact that we’re United States Marines until the day we die.”
  • Boot camp transformation and the “yellow footprints” tradition at Parris Island are described in detail [24:40–25:51].

The Culture & Spirit of the Corps

• On Marine traditions:
  • Marines learn their history from the very first day—heritage and shared sacrifice being core to the identity and esprit de corps.
  • [23:52] Maj. Gen. Renforth: “At the end when you're cold, wet, tired and hungry... you think of those that have gone before you and they become your conscience."

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2. Building a Personal Offense Against Big Tech: The Unplugged Phone

Erik Prince on Secure Communications and Tech Sovereignty

• Background:

  • Prince draws from military history and personal experience, warning that compromised communications have toppled movements and discussing "surveillance capitalism."
  • [04:48] Erik Prince: “Every significant movement that was destroyed was often undermined or destroyed by their communications being compromised.”

• On Big Tech-Government Collusion:

  • Specific reference to Big Tech's role post-2020 election, censorship, deplatforming, and the coordinated shutdown of secure platforms like Parler and Wickr.
  • [05:22] Steve Bannon: "They bought Wickr so they could basically shut down secure communications."
  • [05:27] Prince: "Or put a back door that nobody could verify."

• The Unplugged Phone:

  • Built to be user-friendly for Android and Apple converts, with support for common apps but with zero data exfiltration.
  • Security is confirmed by law enforcement’s inability to access seized devices, and the system is open-source for public inspection.
  • [06:28] Prince: "The unplugged phone prevents the collection and the export of all your data and we show you that in real-time."
  • [07:53] Bannon: "Why is this such a huge deal about how big tech get into your phone...?"
  • [08:07] Prince: "Surveillance capitalism... all the apps that are designed to sit in that phone are designed to collect where you go, what you buy, who you call, what you browse..."

• On Parental Concerns:

  • Highlights how average American kids are exposed—by 13, 72 million data points about them are collected by Big Tech.
  • [09:59] Prince: "The unplugged phone allows them to communicate with you safely... all their kids data is not being blasted out."

• Civil Liberties & Fourth Amendment:

  • Prince connects tech surveillance to constitutional rights.
  • [11:27] Prince: "Any government agent or any investigator... can go buy data from a data broker and figure out who went to a gun show, who went to a Christian school..."

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3. Remembering and Celebrating the Marines Through Documentary Film

Screening of “The Last 600 Meters”

• Michael Pack introduces his long-delayed PBS documentary about the Marines in Iraq:

  • [23:14] Bannon: "It will premiere tonight on PBS ... after 17 years."
  • [26:25] Pack: “It’s very satisfying to finally do it... I always say I’m grateful to the president of PBS... for reversing 17 years of no and turning it into a yes.”

• Realism & Service Depicted:

  • Discussion of the brutally honest portrayal of Fallujah (some scenes edited for broadcast).
  • [31:08] Bannon: “It ends with Marines... taking Fallujah in the second battle... one of the most intense battles the Marine Corps has fought.”

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4. Reflections on Combat, Camaraderie, and Service

The Realities of the Iraq War

• First-Person Accounts:

  • Major General Renforth shares personal experience as an operations officer during the Fallujah events.
  • [31:49] Maj. Gen. Renforth: “I was actually the operations officer... when those contractors were drug through the streets... I had to provide, give guidance, provide a military response.”

• Camaraderie and Endurance:

  • Marines’ loyalty to each other, even as missions evolved in the chaos of war.
  • [34:38] Renforth: “Didn’t really matter what the mission was. What mattered most is that they were there with each other... they were going to do anything for each other.”

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5. Preserving Naval History and Looking to the Future

National Navy Museum and Naval History Podcast

• Admiral Sonny Masso discusses efforts to fund and launch the National Navy Museum by 2030.

  • [36:20] Admiral Masso: “...to really capture the essence of our Navy over the past 250 years.”

• Education and Outreach:

  • Museum is to be “artifact-centric,” but also a platform for STEM learning and leadership history.
  • [38:27] Masso: “You can donate right on the front page... lays out our goals and aspirations.”

Podcasting on Naval History

• Naval Historical Foundation’s Second Saturday:
  • Regular program covering everything from World War II to the thresher disaster.
  • Episodes available on YouTube: “NHF Second Saturday” [39:15]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the Surveillance Economy:
  • Erik Prince [08:56]: "The difference is we block the phone from exporting that data... all that stuff is sold to a data broker... You can effectively be taken digitally groomed."
• On Marine Transformation:
  • Maj. Gen. Austin Renforth [25:51]: “We break them down to their lowest form and we build them back up to be a United States Marine with all the values of honor, courage and commitment.”
• On Real-World Consequence of War:
  • Jack Posobiec [20:08]: “When we're talking about putting American men... in harm’s way, this isn’t some... think piece in the Washington Post... that means you're sending these boys to be willing to get blown up, be willing to get shot at, and in many cases, not coming back.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:30–06:28: Erik Prince on Big Tech, government collusion, and secure comms
• 07:53–09:53: Data privacy, AI, and parental off-ramps
• 16:54–19:27: Commemoration at Philadelphia, Marine Corps origin at Tun Tavern
• 22:32–25:51: Major General Renforth on Marine tradition, training, ethos
• 26:25–31:08: Documentary discussion—“The Last 600 Meters”, Marines in Fallujah
• 31:49–34:38: Operations in Fallujah, camaraderie in combat
• 36:20–39:15: Admiral Masso on Navy museum and naval history podcast

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Wrap-Up

• The episode blends reverence for Marine heritage with modern concerns about personal security and technology.
• Offers a deep dive into how the military, veterans, and allies are working to remember the past, safeguard the future, and defend personal freedoms.
• Throughout, the tone is one of defiance, duty, celebration, and remembrance.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

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[Michael Pack]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Michael Pack]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Michael Pack]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Steve Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Erik Prince]

WAR ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.

[Steve Bannon]

It's Monday, the 10th of November. Yerviller 2025 is the 250 50th anniversary of the birth of one of the greatest institutions, the greatest country on earth has ever produced or created, I.e. the United States Marine Corps. Erik Prince is with me in studio as we as we celebrate the Marines, just an extraordinary institution and group of men and women. Jack Posobic is live in Philadelphia where we have the birthplace of the Marine Corps. And all day long they're going to be activities that we are going to cover here on Real America's Voice in the war room. Jack Posobic, what do you got for us? Brother.

[Jack Posobiec]

STEVE we're here at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. They're about to read the the solemn this is the solemn reading of the KIA behind me here. They're going through every single name in and we've got the booklet here, the KIAs, the list of the KIA for this unit. Steve Seven pages long, single spaced. That's the amount of people that they lost just in this one company. And they're going through every single name will be read. We're out here in the rain. We're in Philadelphia, the city that was the birthplace of the Marine Corps. They're reading every name and ringing a bell for each one.

[Steve Bannon]

Now this is kia's just from, just from Vietnam?

[Jack Posobiec]

No, Steve, just from their company.

[Steve Bannon]

Wow.

Wow. And yeah, amazing, extraordinary. Jack, we're going to come back to you.

[Jack Posobiec]

They knew their friends.

[Steve Bannon]

Just hang on. We're going to come back to you in a moment. So stick there. JACK Posobic, live in Philadelphia. This is a group commemorating United States Marines, commemorating their tours in Vietnam. I guess it ought to be a lesson for everybody, the kias. This is why people throw around these things like Venezuela and we're going to do up in Syria The American people are kind of tired of this, right? They want to see focus here in the United States. We got enough problems. We got a major Islamic problem. Not just in Michigan. We got a major Islam problem in New York City and in Texas. It's got to be dealt with. It has to be dealt with. And it's got to be dealt with now by us. We can't let this thing fester. When it festers, you see what happens in Michigan, you see what happens in New York City, where you have a. Can you believe that in New York City after 911 of which was one of the motivating forces for you doing Blackwater and actually sending all these patriots that went to defend their country as contractors because quite frankly, the US Government couldn't afford to keep them on the balance sheet anymore, right? With. With benefits and pay and everything like that. That 24 years after 9 11, that a Marxist elect a radical jihadist.

[Erik Prince]

Marxist jihadist.

[Steve Bannon]

And people should know we are checking in deeply into the background of this guy. He's not a citizen. He's a Ugandan citizen. He's got a dual passport. And it never should have been given. I mean, this guy never should have been approved by the State Department.

[Erik Prince]

Kristi Noem should denaturalize him.

[Steve Bannon]

Denaturalize him on the facts. And that's a process that we're working on. You have, you know, you're held in such high regard by the MAGA movement and the president and people kind of at the senior leadership in this movement because you are action oriented. And when I talk to Eric, I can always get a good read on what's going on geopolitically and a really good read on what's national security and intelligence. How do I say this? Having known you now for 20 years, you've been obsessed by an issue that was kind of outside, a little bit outside your bailiwork, which is the high technology about communications. Talk to me about that, because we're going to get to. You've built this phone, but this is one that. Are you Ahab and this is your white whale, or is this because of your knowledge and understanding as you've worked to support the United States and run things like Blackwater, et cetera, about communications, about comms.

[Erik Prince]

I read a lot of history and a lot of military history, and every significant movement that was destroyed was often undermined or destroyed by their communications being compromised. And I was an early investor in Wickr, which was a secure app, all at the same time. You know, doing Blackwater, doing Covert action programs, all the rest. And especially when Wickr was sold to Amazon and then especially after the 2020 election when big tech is very much colluding with big government, the deep state to throttle free speech.

[Steve Bannon]

Well, they bought Wickr so they could basically shut down secure communications or put.

[Erik Prince]

A back door that nobody could, nobody could verify.

[Steve Bannon]

Right.

[Erik Prince]

But especially we know what they did with Parler and they all. And they did it in such a coordinated, concerted approach after the 2020 election and throwing people off of platforms. I said to hell with it, we need to develop our own phone. We're not going to make big tech bigger or better by complaining about it. Only if we can compete. And so we pivoted. We have a development team and we developed the unplugged phone. We've sold many thousands. You guys, your the war room audience. The posse was the first launch audience and we've now. So that was our beta. I think we sold 12 or 13,000 in the beta, redid the operating system. We brought a fantastic guy over from Apple. He said, eric, I'm a man married to a woman, I'm a Christian, I have six kids, I like guns and jiu Jitsu and I'm tired of working with a company that hates me. And he said, please let me help you build out Unplugged.

[Steve Bannon]

This is Joe.

[Erik Prince]

Yeah, I think you'll be on tomorrow. Yeah. And so we redesigned the phone and the operating system and we did three things. One, we made it much more friendly and easy to transition to for transitioning your contacts and your photos and all the rest and to make it very friendly, but not just for Android world, but for Apple World. So you can use imessage, you can use Apple Music or Apple TV and all those apps that you're used to operating runs on an unplugged phone. The difference is the unplugged phone prevents the collection and the export of all your data and we actually show you that in real time on your own firewall screen. Second, we hardened it and made it impervious and we, we even have the law letters from various parts of the US law enforcement saying we've seized this unplugged phone and we need your help unlocking it. They said we've tried everything at the US federal government's disposal and we can't open it. And of course we have no ability to do that either. There is no backdoor. Third, because people have questions about the technology, is there any backdoors or whoever developed it, we open sourced everything. So it's all free for inspection. So that we are putting our credibility and our information security to the ultimate test, that people can open source it and review it at their will.

[Steve Bannon]

Why is this such a huge deal about how big tech get into your phone, see everything you've done, and also get, get all your location can get all the information that you've stored up, everything, every place you've been, et cetera. Why is that such a big deal?

[Erik Prince]

Surveillance capitalism really exploded and started after 911 when the US was rightly looking for more people fitting the profile of the 911 hijackers. But then as that goes from kind of an analog collection to digital. When iPhones come out in 2009, all the apps that are designed to sit in that phone are designed to collect where you go, what you buy, who you call, what you browse, and just vacuum everything. We've actually measured an unplugged phone versus an iPhone versus an Android running Samsung. And it's like 200,000 bits, packets of information per hour are exported off of your phone. Nothing from an unplugged phone.

[Steve Bannon]

So the difference is zero from an unplugged zero.

[Erik Prince]

And so the difference is we block the phone from exporting that data so that the apps are not able to collect and all that stuff is sold to a data broker so that anybody can Access really with $50 or $1,000 credit card, you can collect all the data where everybody, where everyone's been, who they interact with back at least five years. It's extraordinary. So then now when you think about as AI rolls out all that data, all your digital exhaust is out there being vacuumed up into these AI data centers. You can effectively be taken digitally groomed. The average kid in America by the time they're age of 13 has had 72 million data points collected on them by big tech. Now if you're so confident that big tech is going to treat your kids fairly, or you as a citizen fairly, good luck. We give people an off ramp that allows them to operate, walk us through the off ramp.

[Steve Bannon]

Particularly as parents with kids, they come of age that you feel they need a phone. Why is it the unplugged phone?

[Erik Prince]

Because the unplugged phone allows them to communicate with you safely. They can still get music, they can still go to a movie, communicate with their friends securely. The difference is all their kids data is not being blasted out to any data broker in the world on a constant basis.

[Steve Bannon]

And so big tech can't groom them by continually throwing up to the kids in front of them exactly what their interests are and then start to weave them down these dark corridors.

[Erik Prince]

Exactly.

[Steve Bannon]

Which is exactly what happens and why it's such a. These devices in the hands of children. Unless you have strict parental supervision or something like unplugged that the parents can utilize. You're opening up Pandora's box.

[Erik Prince]

Correct? We are a lock on Pandora's box.

[Steve Bannon]

Why do you think we're trying to deconstruct the administrative state and destroy the deep state? We're only making the hundred subpoenas they've got out on this conspiracy theory or this vast conspiracy they've got just now hitting it looks like as it stands now, taking down the deep state is a much bigger effort than I think people realized when we took the government back over this time. Is that the reason you need this phone, because you can never trust. You can never trust the big tech government. Collusion will never be broken and you can't. That oligarchy will continue to basically use your data again. First off, to monetize it when you don't want to monetize, but also to use it against you.

[Erik Prince]

Look, right now, any government agent or any investigator, anybody with $1,000 in a credit card can go buy data from a data broker and figure out who went to a gun show, who went to a Christian school, who went to a prayer meeting, who went to the weekly rosary or whatever, or went to a liquor store. I mean, whatever it is. You're talking about the Islamization of parts of America. They're forcing certain places to close bars or to close a liquor shop or to not sell pork. Come on. Allowing that much power into any government hands or the fact is into private sector hands. If we believe in the Constitution, right, First Amendment, free speech, fourth amendment gives you supposed to guarantee you a right against unnecessary search.

[Steve Bannon]

And you're saying we can show the letters that U.S. government and law enforcement agencies have tried to break into that phone. Right. And they can't do it. So they come back to the company and say. And you guys can't do it either? Only the individual. That's correct.

[Erik Prince]

The keys belong to you, the owner of the phone. That's it.

[Steve Bannon]

That's pretty.

[Erik Prince]

We've used every means at our disposal of the doj, FBI, Secret Service, dea.

[Steve Bannon]

So as you know, because we were the biggest, our audience bought more of these than any of they. And the people that got them love them as soon as they could do. You know, it was a little complicated first you guys so much.

[Erik Prince]

We fixed that. We fixed that. We made it Easier to transition. And also when you buy an unplugged phone, you get an hour online with our tech. Like you used to go to an Apple Store and they transfer all your stuff. We do that for you remotely and make it easy. So, so easy to transition allows you to navigate with all the apps that you're used to, literally every one of them. Yeah. And the phone has been hardened and if people are wondering about any back doors, it's open sourced.

[Steve Bannon]

Unplugged.com war room. You get all your discounts, everything. Go there, check it out. Most importantly, you interact with people, get all the information. Today. You guys have done a great job of putting the information up. As you know, the Warren posse is, is into the receipts so they'll, they'll dig down on this.

[Erik Prince]

Bring it. We welcome it.

[Steve Bannon]

No, no, no. Eric. Hey, something's up because Eric Prince is in a. You're in a nice suit and a very, you know, very kind of European type tie. Or is that an Hermes tie? Hermes tie.

[Major General Austin Renforth]

Really?

[Steve Bannon]

I told you it was European. Hey. Hey. Not bad, huh? In the old days I dressed like that. That's very old days. You must be going to an official meeting.

[Erik Prince]

Pretty much.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, good.

We're gonna let you go. Eric Prince, social media podcast. Where does everybody go?

[Erik Prince]

Real Eric D. Prince on, on X. And I haven't taped an episode of the podcast in a while because I'm working on some things and I'll, I'll come back out with that probably after Christmas.

[Steve Bannon]

We're going to talk to you about the podcast. I think there's a way to get, allow you to do it and do all your travels around the world.

[Erik Prince]

Thank you, sir. And listen, thank you to the United States Marine Corps.

[Steve Bannon]

Happy birthday.

[Erik Prince]

It's an amazing organization. I have, we have an ecumenical family with kids in various services. Not a Marine yet. And I'm pushing one of them to go Marine Corps.

[Steve Bannon]

So you've got, you got army, you got Army, Navy, Army, Navy. What can you say? Erik Prince, thank you for being here to help celebrate the 250th anniversary birthday of the Marine Corps. Thank you, sir. We're going to go back to Philadelphia, short break back to Philadelphia and Jackson, Soviet.

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Okay, let's go back to Philadelphia. Philadelphia is the birthplace of the United States Marine Corps. The continental Marines formed 250 years ago. We have Jack Posobec live. Jack, put us in the room. Sir.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, Steve, let me just say it's a cold day, it's a rainy day, it's a windy day this morning here in Philadelphia. But that didn't stop the Marines. The Marines are out here, they're at the age they're at to commemorate the names of the fallen from the Vietnam War. They're out here reading every single name. They're ringing a bell for each person who died. And as they're going through these names, it's seven page list, single spaced. And they're going through the dates as well. And you hear so many of these guys who died on the same day. You know, that's various battles, that's the Tet Offensive, that's all things they're going through. And people may have read about those things at home or they may have seen some of the footage of it or something. But when, when you go here and you're on the Marine's birthday in Philadelphia, the city Marine Corps was born 250 years ago today. You realize that those are all just. Those are all just stories we tell. These are the real men. These are the real veterans, United States Marine Corps, who actually lived through this. These incredible Americans upon which the backbone of everything that we have in the United States rests. And I think today is really an opportunity to just say, Steve, you know what they say? No such thing as a former Marine.

[Steve Bannon]

Yes, Jack, Talk to me about Philadelphia as the birthplace. I mean, you know, Philadelphia was such pride in the Navy. You know, the first real Navy yard was down there. Talk to me about the Marines in Philadelphia.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, see, the Marine Corps was founded in Philadelphia 250 years ago today at Tun Tavern. And basically, as everyone knows, the story is it was private men coming together, you know, kind of merchant Marine, you would almost call it at the time. And they said. They ran into the tavern and said, we need men who are willing to go and fight the British on the open seas, and we need men who are willing to fight on board the ship. And all the men in the tavern stood up. The tavern of Philadelphia said, we'll come fight with you. And that was the very first, what they call, recruiting drive. The United States Marines, Marine Corps was just a few blocks away from where I'm standing right now, here at Penn's Landing, which is also, of course, the place where William Penn first landed when he arrived in Philadelphia 400 years ago almost. And so when you, you know, in Pennsylvania. And so when you see. When you see the connection of the history to the revolutionary generation here, the Vietnam generation, and then whatever may be the next generation, Taps, of course, is beginning. So I want to curtail my remarks.

[Steve Bannon]

Right there for that. You can. Yeah, let's. Let's listen to Taps.

[Michael Pack]

Thank you.

[Jack Posobiec]

They're wrapping up here. The thing that people need to remember, of course, is when we're talking about going overseas, when we're talking about putting American men, American boots on the ground, American soldiers, Marines, sailors, airmen in harm's way. This isn't some, you know, fluffy, you know, think piece in the Washington Post, in the New York Times, that means you're sending these boys to be willing to get blown up, be willing to get shot at, and in many cases, not coming back. That's why we take it seriously every single day in the war room and on human events daily. And look, the men of Philadelphia are willing to fight the same way they're willing to fight 250 years ago, the way they were willing to fight. The village Vietnam era will always be willing to fight. But that's why you take it seriously. We're doing the prayer now.

[Mike Lindell]

A humble and a contrite heart. Lord God of hosts, be with us yet. Lest we forget. Lest we forget.

[Admiral Sonny Masso]

Amen.

[Steve Bannon]

Jack, you're going to do we're going to toss the Charlie Kirk show at the conclusion of War Room as we do every day for the last what, three or four years. You're going to do the show live today from Philadelphia at 2 o', clock, human events daily and then tonight five to seven besides going everything happening in the Senate, etc. Michael Pack's going to be my co host in studio. We're going to talk to some Marines that fought in in Iraq. And of course Michael's working on a new film about Afghanistan and the Marines at Abbey Gate. We're going to get into that also. So Jack Posobic, social media Brother, before before you get back on the show today at 2 o' clock on Real America's Voice.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's ack Posobic. You follow on Twitter, telegram and Truth.

[Steve Bannon]

Jack, thank you so much, brother. Appreciate you go back. We're going to be going back to Philadelphia a lot today. They're also going to have a banquet. Major General Austin Renforth joins us. General, you're kind of a legendary figure. As I talk to people, talk to me about your feelings about the 250th commemoration of the birth of the United States Marine Corps. It's one of the most extraordinary institutions ever created in the greatest country in the world, the United States of America, sir.

[Mike Lindell]

Yeah.

[Major General Austin Renforth]

I really appreciate you having me to talk about the Marine Corps today. You know, we don't just honor the Marine Corps, we celebrate it. And I know you were showing some somber moments there. And there are somber moments because today, as we remember those have gone before us, but we also celebrate the living and the heritage of the Marine Corps. And you know, we don't call it a Marine Corps birthday day. It's a Marine Corps birthday season. We have balls all over the world. Everybody's celebrating the birth of our corps and just remembering why we served, remembering our brothers and sisters that have gone before us and just taking pride in the fact that we're United States Marines until the day we die.

[Steve Bannon]

General, we had a screening of Michael Pack's Last 600 Meters and folks, it will premiere tonight on PBS national release of the film after 17 years. And I think you'll see why tonight on PBS 10:00pm Eastern Standard Time on PBS. One of the Marines that's in the movie, when we had the premiere came and he had been in the army before and then went to the Marine Corps after he got out of the Army. And he said what struck him about the Marine Corps is that every day in the Marine Corps you're reminded of its history and its traditions. Its history and its traditions. Can you explain that to us for a second?

[Major General Austin Renforth]

Absolutely. So I was the commanding general of Parris island and I'll tell you firsthand how we did it. The day you show up, every Marine, the day they show up to become a Marine, we teach our history, we talk about our history. Every Marine can tell born, why it was born, why we celebrate the Marine Corps birthday, who General Lejeune is, who his message is teach our history. Because at the end when you're cold, wet, tired and hungry and you have to dig deep, you think of those that have gone before you and they become your conscience. And we want that to mean something. You're a part of something and you have to know the history of it to understand how special that is that you're a United States Marine.

[Steve Bannon]

What talk to us about, is it the yellow, the feet markers. When you get to Parris island, walk us through the process of how you turn a normal 17 or 18 year old American teenager into a United States Marine. Sir.

[Major General Austin Renforth]

Really, it's something to behold. I never really believed it until I saw it firsthand as the commanding general. To see these young men and women show up scared to death, looking like a bag of donuts, showing up, getting all these yellow footprints and, and then watching the transformation from the day they show up until the day they graduate. I have watched parents come to graduation and didn't even recognize their child that was standing right in front of them. It's absolutely magical how we do it. And we break them down to their lowest form and we build them back up to be a United States Marine with all the values of honor, courage and commitment. And it doesn't end there. You know, it's always a work in progress all the way through. You're always building on that. But I really believe what we do in our boot camps, I love what we do in the Marine Corps. It is a true transformation.

[Steve Bannon]

General, can you, can you stick with us? We want to hold you through the next break and bring you back on Michael Pacht. Tonight you're going to be co hosting with me in the war room live five to seven. But talk to me at 10 o' clock tonight. After 17 years, what I think many people are saying, you know, we, we took it around to so many Marine Corps bases and had the troops have the Marines watch it. Some say it's maybe the finest film documentary made about the Marine Corps. Your thoughts tonight? After 17 years, we finally launched this nationwide.

[Michael Pack]

It's really, it's an amazing thing. You know, I've made over 15 films that have been nationally broadcast on PBS. Usually take six months to a year. I think 17 years is some kind of record. It's very satisfying to finally do it. I mean, when you and I worked on it, Steve, it was such a different world. But I always say I'm grateful to the president of PBS, Paula Kurger, for reversing those 17 years of no and turning it into a yes and putting it on at this great time slot at 10pm it's at 10pm all across the country. Although some stations might move it around a little bit on the Marine Corps birthday and the day before Veterans Day. And for those that miss it, it'll be on Amazon starting tomorrow. And it's very satisfying. I was particularly satisfied to show it in that screening that you mentioned a few minutes ago where we had these veterans there. It was really satisfying to see it with them and their spirit on stage. It's been 17 years since I saw many of them, but their spirit is the same. You know, they look a little older.

[Erik Prince]

A little bolder, a little fatter, a little grayer.

[Michael Pack]

Yeah, but I, I was struck by.

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[Erik Prince]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay.

Like I said, all day we're going to be commemorating the United States Marine Corps. Tomorrow. We're going to do our traditional Veterans Day special throughout the day, the Michael Pack. We're gonna you're gonna co host with me in studio from 5 to 7. We're actually gonna have which I want to do for a while. We're gonna have a few of the Marines that actually fought in Fallujah, Najaf and second Fallujah on the show today. As our guest one more time, where do people go to see it tonight live. And it's gonna be up on Amazon tomorrow. The film?

[Michael Pack]

Absolutely. It'll be on 10pm tonight, should be 10pm across the country, although some stations are moving to 11, some to nine. So it's good to check. But it should be 10pm Most places across the country. And if you miss it, it'll be on Amazon and other streaming services starting tomorrow. And I hope your audience tunes in. I am. I'm looking forward to co hosting with those Marines. It's always inspiring to talk to them.

[Steve Bannon]

No, they were incredible last week. Erik Prince. And by the way, it's where I met Erik Prince. It was like 20 years ago with Michael making this film that the film starts off in first Fallujah with his contractors, the black border guys being assaulted. And quite gruesome. Is PBS gonna show the version that we showed last couple, the Navy Memorial, the theater? Are they gonna show that version?

[Michael Pack]

They're not. It's going to be a somewhat edited version. I mean, they don't show the full beheading. We had to cut a few minutes out. But they have the whole Blackwater sequence, as you say, it began when four contractors, four Blackwater contractors were murdered, burned, dragged through the streets of Fallujah and two of them were hung from a bridge while Iraqis celebrated. Iraqi insurgents celebrated underneath, cheered and slapped the body. And it was an amazing image. And that sparked the first battle of Fallujah and began the story.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, kickoff with the Marines going into Fallujah the first time. And it ends with Marines, the United States Marine Corps taking Fallujah in the second battle of Fallujah, which is, as you know, one of the most intense battles the Marine Corps has fought. Michael, hang on for a second. Do we have a clip with. Oh, by the way, let me go to General Renford. You're going to a bunch. You said it's the Marine Corps birthday celebration season. There's tons of dinners tonight. We're going to be covering the one in Philadelphia with some Vietnam veterans. Talk to us about that. You're going to go to some of these dinners tonight. Why? Why do you guys call it a celebration season?

[Major General Austin Renforth]

Well, it's just I've been to three Marine Corps balls already, been the guest of honor, two of them. And I'm going to a fourth celebration tonight. It's just because you have to, you have to parcel it out to when you can get involved with all your buddies and come together. And Steve, if I can mention the segment you're just talking about earlier, you know, it's funny you have me on the show because I was actually the operations officer of Regimental Combat Team One when those contractors were drugged through the streets. I had to provide, give guidance, provide a military response to bring those guys out. And hence started the first battle of Fallujah. You think back to those days and you remember those times during this time as our Marine Corps birthday and our Marines, we come together and we honor those who have gone before us. It's not Memorial Day. We don't forget those have gone before us, but we also celebrate. And tonight we're celebrating with the Travis Manion foundation down in Morton Steakhouse in Washington, D.C. last year I went to Spark Steakhouse in New York City, large contingent of Marines. And today I've received messages and FaceTimes from all my Marines in Philadelphia that are just, you better be careful and bring the cops out because they're going to burn that place down as celebratory. It's going to be like an Eagles super bowl win.

[Steve Bannon]

You could tell the veterans, the Vietnam veterans have gotten on in years, but man, they're still just as feisty as they've ever been. The reason Michael made the film at first, pbs. When he was at PBS under the Bush administration left, they gave him money to go make a film. He's going to make a film about high tech, how high tech, how technology had changed warfare forever. And as he did his research, General, he came back, he said, hey, I think I'm going to make another film. What's that? And he says, really, the door to door combat of the rifle platoons, the NCOs, these young infantrymen, and particularly the junior officers, the second lieutenants, first lieutenants and captains, they got to Fight a new type of urban warfare. And I think that that is what's so stunning about this film, is that actually shows what Marines do every day when they're in action. And it's the power in the audience because you hear about the Marines and all the legendary victories, and some of that's faded in memory and time, and it's, hey, this is just as real. And I'll talk in a moment to Michael, who's making a new film about Afghanistan, the withdrawal, and particularly a big focus is those young Marines that were at Abbey Gate. So, General, give me a second on just Fallujah itself, because that was really something that started a sequence of some of the biggest battles in the Iraq war.

[Major General Austin Renforth]

Yeah, it was really incredible. So we went over there thinking that we're in a different phase of the Iraqi war. We were going to pass out soccer balls, shake hands, and they were all going to love us. And then it was really surreal when the Blackwater contractors were drugged through the streets there. It changed all the dynamics. It changed everything. It was a wake up call, really, for all of us involved. And then it really started a domino effect of just years and years of war. And I think it started right there that day. We had to quickly respond. We had to encircle the city. We had to put pressure on the people of Fallujah to bring those contractors back out and bring their remains back home. But it was a really, really incredible time. And since then, hell, I went back four more times, you know, as a battalion commander, as a task force commander, and then two more times in Afghanistan. So it was just a vortex of service that we all just got caught up into. And the Marines, you know, I think at a certain point, they didn't really. Didn't really matter what the mission was. What mattered most is that they were there with each other, that they loved each other, that they were going to do anything for each other. So God bless the Marine Corps that can actually create those kind of people that is going to focus on taking care of each other, no matter the mission.

[Steve Bannon]

General, hang on for a second. Fantastic. Admiral Sonny Massar joins us. Sonny, tomorrow you're booked all day on Veterans Day, but I wanted to get this in to talk about your podcast about naval history and also what you're doing about this museum. So walk us through it for a second.

[Admiral Sonny Masso]

Yes, sir. In 1961, our CNO, very famous gentleman Arlie Burke, Admiral Arleigh Burke, declared that we needed to have a National Navy museum. And it took us all this time. We're the last of the services, the army created a brilliant museum in the Marine Corps. Museum is fabulous, Medal of Honor, lots of different museums, but we have been lagging behind on that. So we're involved in a project of which I'm the president. We call our organization the National Navy Museum foundation. And we're embarked in a fundraising campaign to raise a sufficient amount of funds to really capture the essence of our Navy over the past 250 years. Now we believe that the story of our nation is also the story of our Navy. And so this will be an artifact centric. Lots of great artifacts, but with stories of leadership, heroics, strategic history, things of this nature. And then culminating as well in education programs for our inner city youth, but also projects for our high end schools where we can, you know, teach thermodynamics and things of this nature in a Navy centric way.

[Steve Bannon]

Wow. Fantastic. Where do people. Do we have a clip from this? Yeah, let's go and play the clip. So, Admiral Massa, where do people go today to find out more information about the museum? You guys, this kickoff effort.

[Admiral Sonny Masso]

Yes, sir, we have a thank you for asking that. We have a website, NMDF National Museum Development Foundation, NMDF.org you can donate right on the front page. You can't miss it. And it'll, it'll kind of lay out, you know, what our goals and aspirations are. But this project's been going on for a long time. We're, we're very optimistic about our future and hope in 2030 to be able to open the doors to a really magnificent experience for mom, dad and the kids, as well as veterans and anybody that has an appreciation for our national history and our military services.

[Steve Bannon]

Amen. Your podcast, you do a podcast on naval history? Where can people, where can people get it?

[Admiral Sonny Masso]

Yeah. For, for many years, for five years, I was the executive director of the Naval Historical foundation and I have about 84 or so pieces of content. I had a monthly program called Second Saturday. So it was the NHF Naval Historical Foundation Second Saturday. And we really tackled every major issue, including fun topics like, you know, athletes who served in World War II. And we really, we drilled down. One of our most popular pieces of content is on the thresher, the USS3 Russia disaster. And it's an homage, but it's a historical perspective of it as well. But I think people, we've had a lot of viewers and you can just go to YouTube and look up NHF second Saturday and you can find all of our content.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, we'll push it out today. Sonny do you have a, do you have Twitter? Do you have a social media we can track you on?

[Admiral Sonny Masso]

Actually, I do not. I regret that. So, no, I don't. But I will now. I will get that now. But if I, if you may just one more second. I just want to say what an honor it is to follow Major General Renforth. And I don't think there's another naval officer around who is as close to the Marine Corps as I might be because I grew up at the north gate of Camp Pendleton and, and you've been to my home in San Clemente and, and I learned how to drive on Camp Pendleton. I played my first round of golf, got my first speeding ticket, you know, so I'm a, I'm a devil dog and a, you know, and I was a devil pup, by the way, and General Renforth can tell you what a devil pup was. But I love the Marine Corps. I wish them a warm and wonderful day and it is a season and they have so many reasons to be proud and, and we as naval officers have so many reasons to thank them for their contribution to everything we did.

[Steve Bannon]

Well, as somebody said when I did, when you were with us on the Navy 250, we did the Marine Corps 250 on that Saturday. So many friends of mine said, bannon, you're finally doing the men's department of the Navy. So. And you and I spent, you and I spent so many good evenings at MCRD off of our destroyer on 32nd Street. Sonny Masso. Sonny.

[Admiral Sonny Masso]

Master.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. We're gonna go out with the Marine Corps him. We're gonna be back in a moment. Major General Renford's with us. Michael Pack, Taj Gill is going to join us all next in the war room.

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General Renford, thank you so much for joining us this morning. Look forward to having you back. Back on topics of geopolitics and other things maybe the corps are involved in. Do you have social media? Cirque and audience would love to start to follow you. Where can they go?

[Major General Austin Renforth]

Yeah, so what I do, Steve, is I'm an advisor for a couple companies. So I normally do their social media But I have LinkedIn which is easy enough to find me with my name and then that's the main thing I use. I usually just retweet things on Twitter so I don't really get too involved. When I was on active duty, I was super careful about what I put out there because at any given moment. So I'm starting to back off of that a little bit now that I'm retired. But I try to live by the rule. If I wasn't willing to say it on active duty, I don't really want to say it now, but it's not necessarily true. I will say more.

[Steve Bannon]

Well, we'd love to have you on talk about geopolitics, General. Great, great. Day 250 in the in the season of the celebration of the birth of one of the greatest institutions the United States has ever created, the United States Marine Corps. Sir, thank you so much for coming on. Appreciate you, Steve.

[Major General Austin Renforth]

Thanks for having me.

[Steve Bannon]

Michael Pack, we had the general was overseeing it in first Fallujah. How ironic is that. I know you're working on something about Afghanistan. Abbey Gate I want to save that for in studio tonight. You're going to be with me from five to seven these great Marines one more time because as the war room engine room has notified me, PBS is not going out of their way to promote this film. It doesn't look like so I'm shocked after 17 years. And I'll tell the heroic story of Michael. I'm so honored today to have Ed Martin, Erik Prince and Michael Pack and they are three warriors of our movement. Just incredible what these guys have gone through, how they tormented these three individuals. Just extraordinary. But sir, what's your social media? Where can people go?

[Michael Pack]

They can go to michaelpack Underscore on X. But they're better off really going to our websites. The older films are on manifold productions.com and the newer films are palladiumpictures.com so both of those and they can apply to our incubator if they or anyone in the audience knows a young filmmaker who needs money to make a short film. So. And all our news and updates are really on those two websites. But it's true, I somehow the war room has been plugging me more aggressively than pbs. What can we say about that, Steve? Maybe it's not too surprising but, but it's still something that they put on after 17 years and for that I'm grateful.

[Steve Bannon]

No on the 250th I'll talk about this today at 5 on the turn of 50th they, I think they understand that this film tells people what Marines who they are and what they do day in and day out in the camaraderie and where that, that brotherly love comes from. So you'll be able to that's why the importance of the film. Anyway, Michael Pack, thank you so much. We'll see you back here in the war room co hosting this afternoon, sir.

[Michael Pack]

Sounds good. I look forward to it, Steve. Thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you.

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[Mike Lindell]

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[Major General Austin Renforth]

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[Steve Bannon]

Okay, Mike, thank you so much. We'll see you back here between five and seven. We're going to come back live. War room today, Charlie Kirk show follows us with Andrew Jack Bob is at 2:00 clock from Philadelphia commemorating the 250th birthday United States Marine Corps. We're back here at 5:00 tonight. You do not want to miss it. There's going to be tons of news throughout the day. Also, as an extra bonus, happy birthday, United States Marine Corps. We'll see you back in the worm at five. Okay, let's be honest. You never thought it would get this far.

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