Episode 4923: Passing The Political Football; Bringing In Real Capital For America

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room – Episode 4923: Passing The Political Football; Bringing In Real Capital For America

Date: November 13, 2025
Host: Steve Bannon
Featured Guests: Mark Mitchell, Dave Bratt, Rosemary Jenks, Chip Roy, Michael (All Family Pharmacy CEO)

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Overview

This episode centers on the aftermath of the longest government shutdown in American history, the persistent failure of both political parties to address systemic issues (particularly health care and immigration), and urgent calls for real systemic reform. The panel debates the consequences of establishment politics, generational divides, economic populism, and the urgent need for youth engagement and economic opportunity. Special focus is given to the brewing fight over H1B visas and broader immigration reform, as well as the ways in which the Republican Party risks losing generational relevance.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Government Shutdown Fallout & Healthcare Reform

• Donald Trump’s Remarks ([00:11]–[03:29])
  • Criticizes Democrats for the government shutdown, calling their push for $1.5 trillion in spending on illegal immigrants “extortion.”
  • Claims Republicans always favored a 'clean' continuation and blames Democrats for using healthcare to score political points.
  • Calls for a new system where healthcare subsidies are given directly to people instead of insurance companies:

    “I want the money to go directly to you, the people, and you go out and you'll buy your own health insurance… you will be an entrepreneur for yourself.” ([02:23], Donald Trump)

• Panel’s Reaction
  • Bannon frames the situation as a civilizational crisis:

    “This is the primal scream of a dying regime... Christians not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.” ([03:29], Steve Bannon)

  • Discussion on lack of meaningful Republican response to the health care crisis.
  • Dave Bratt emphasizes the complexity of health care economics and the need for a Pareto efficient reform that doesn’t hurt anyone, noting:

    “20% of the economy is just absurd to think anybody can control in their head. The hospital systems are the key link.” ([06:28], Dave Bratt)

  • Skepticism that Republicans will develop a coherent solution by year-end.

2. Generational, Cultural, and Economic Divides

• The Fourth Turning and Generational Conflict ([11:08]–[17:24])

  • Mark Mitchell critiques the proposed solutions to housing affordability, warning of policies that only benefit older generations and corporate interests.

    “You juice demand without affecting supply... That 50 year mortgage will make the baby boomer generation more wealthy... help boomers get out at the top. That's even more perverse.” ([11:08], Mark Mitchell)

  • Asserts a “Fourth Turning” crisis, with young Americans fundamentally disconnected from postwar values.
  • The Israel issue is cited as a generational flashpoint; polling indicates stark divides between young and old on US support for Israel.
• Erosion of Institutions and Values
  • Dave Bratt puts modern disillusionment in historical context, noting the loss of deeper meaning and the decline of traditional institutions:

    “Without meaning... things start falling apart. That’s been going on for 100 years.” ([17:30], Dave Bratt)

3. Political Landscape, Youth Disaffection, and Populist Opportunity

• Why the Shutdown Didn’t Resonate ([19:53]–[24:37])
  • Mark Mitchell argues the conventional partisan battles are no longer energizing.

  • Young voters are motivated by a desire to smash corrupt systems, not to maintain the status quo.

    “Republicans in Congress and the Senate, I understand you have a shiny object in front of you, but you're playing the wrong game... The right game is let’s arrest some pharma company CEOs.” ([25:18], Mark Mitchell)

• Lack of Republican Vision
  • Dave Bratt and Mark Mitchell stress that Republicans lack a compelling, actionable vision that inspires young voters or addresses core economic grievances.
  • The generational wealth gap, housing unaffordability, and healthcare costs are seen as failures prompting openness to socialism among the younger cohort.

4. H1B Visas, Immigration Reform, and Economic Populism

• Critiques of Current Immigration Policy ([32:41]–[40:42])

  • Chip Roy discusses H1B abuses, assimilation challenges, and the corporatist capture of national policy.

    “We've allowed the corporatists to define our entire national policy... We're dealing with a cultural problem about who we are as Americans.” ([32:56], Chip Roy)

  • Rosemary Jenks calls for a total moratorium on new immigration—legal or otherwise—to force a bipartisan reckoning on the interests of American workers:

    “Our immigration system is working exactly as Congress intended... It is not working for the American people.” ([35:51], Rosemary Jenks)

• Industry Pushback
  • Anticipation of intense resistance from tech and business lobbies, but Rosemary suggests these companies have time to adapt if policy change is phased.
  • US has a deep pool of STEM workers and graduates; the main barrier is employer preference for cheap foreign labor.

5. Action Items and the Path Forward for Populism

• Mitchell’s Two-Point Plan ([44:28]–[47:25])
  1. Embrace Charlie Kirk’s economic populism: major actions to benefit the young, not just rhetorical gestures.
  2. Enact visible, trust-restoring institutional reforms (e.g., actual agency house-cleaning, not just staff changes).

  • Warns of the dire political consequence for the GOP if they don’t act:

    “If the Republican party can do this, not talk about it, do this, within a year they will rule for 50 years. They will capture the youth.” ([44:28], Mark Mitchell)

• Bratt’s Caution about Oligarchy
  • Points out that top-down donor influence is the main obstacle to reform, and only direct leadership from Trump could move the party to action.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Donald Trump ([02:23]):
  “I want the money to go directly to you, the people, and you go out and you'll buy your own health insurance...”

• Mark Mitchell ([11:08]):
  “That 50 year mortgage will make the baby boomer generation more wealthy... what they're essentially doing is helping struggling people get into the market so that boomers... can get out... That's even more perverse.”

• Dave Bratt ([06:28]):
  “The health care system, it's 20% of the economy... The hospital systems probably are the key link as far as the politics go.”

• Rosemary Jenks ([35:51]):
  “Our immigration system is working exactly as Congress intended... It is not working for the American people, but it is doing exactly what they intended.”

• Mark Mitchell ([44:28]):
  “355 days until the pendulum swings back to the left. And this one, this time they're going for it... If the Republican party can do this, not talk about it, do this, within a year they will rule for 50 years. They will capture the youth…”

• Dave Bratt ([48:36]):
  “You may pick up the young vote, but you'll lose the money vote. And so the only person capable of solving this again, unfortunately, is President Trump.”

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• [00:11]–[03:29] – Trump and Bannon on the shutdown and healthcare subsidies reform.
• [06:28]–[09:08] – Dave Bratt on narrative and policy gridlock, health care economics.
• [11:08]–[14:59] – Mark Mitchell and Bannon on the generational divide, housing crisis.
• [19:53]–[25:18] – Generational despair, Republican inaction, and need for drastic change.
• [32:41]–[35:49] – H1B visas, “mass deportation,” and the economic populism agenda.
• [35:51]–[41:09] – Rosemary Jenks on the reality of immigration policy, call for moratorium.
• [44:28]–[50:04] – Urgency for action, messaging, political stakes, and the challenge of defeating the oligarchy.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a comprehensive critique of both Democratic and Republican failures in the face of America’s generational, economic, and institutional crises. The panelists make the case that only bold, populist action—on healthcare, immigration, and economic opportunity—will prevent the further alienation of younger Americans and the possible collapse of GOP relevance. Urged by data and historical trends, the message is clear: time is running out for the Republican Party to seize its moment, or risk handing the future to an energized left.

Transcript

[Mark Mitchell]

On this vote, the yeas are 222, the nays are 209.

[Steve Bannon]

The bill is passed.

[Mark Mitchell]

The motion is adopted.

[Donald Trump]

For the past 43 days, Democrats in Congress shut down the government of the United States in an attempt to extort American taxpayers for hundreds of billions of dollars for illegal aliens and people that came into our country illegally from gangs, from prisons, from mental institutions. They wanted to pay them $1.5 trillion, which would have really hurt our healthcare businesses and our recipients at levels never seen before. Today we're sending a clear message that we will never give in to extortion, because that's what it was. They tried to extort the Democrats tried to extort our country. In just a moment, I'll sign a bill exactly like we asked Democrats to send us all along many days ago. This cost the country $1.5 trillion, this little excursion that they took us on. Republicans never wanted a shutdown and voted 15 times for a clean continuation of funding. There's never been a time when one or the other party ever didn't sign a continuation. It's just a continuation, not a big deal. It's a continuation. And we'll talk later yet the extremists in the other party insisted on creating the longest government shutdown in American history and they did it purely for political reasons. So with all of that, I just want to tell you the country has never been in better shape. We went through this short term disaster with the Democrats because they thought it would be good politically. And it's an honor now to sign this incredible bill and get our country working again.

[Michael (All Family Pharmacy CEO)]

Thank you.

[Donald Trump]

Going to go down. It went the exact opposite with the biggest increase of any of healthcare in any country. It's a disaster. And I'm calling today for insurance companies not to be paid, but for the money, this massive amount of money to be paid directly to the people of our country so that they can buy their own healthcare, which will be far better and far less expensive than the disaster known as Obamacare. And I've had, I think, great support. I've even had Democrat support. So we want the money that would be going to the insurance company, which is hundreds of billions of doll, you know, their stock prices have gone up by 1000% in many cases, 1000% over a short period of time because our country stupidly pays them so much money with this Obamacare scandal. So I want the money to go directly to you, the people, and you go out and you'll buy your own health insurance and you'll negotiate different plans and you'll get much better insurance and you will be an entrepreneur for yourself.

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Christians not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Chip Roy]

And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Steve Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Chip Roy]

War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[Steve Bannon]

It's Thursday 13th November, Yerviller 2025. We are packed this morning. Mark Mitchell, Richard Barris, Andrew Colvette is nice enough to join us from the Charlie Kirk Show. We're going to talk about Charlie's plan. Rosemary Jenks, H1B visas so we get, we're also going to get Claire Dooley talk Get us up to speed on what happened yesterday at the MAHA conference. I want to start with Brett, my wingman. Brett, what was this all about? I mean, I really am lost. The Democrats are so strong at the beginning of it and then cratered. We have lost what, six or eight weeks from the economy. President Trump said it's a $1.5 trillion hit to the economy. It was all about the Hill they would die on was the illegal alien health care, which they didn't get. We've kicked the CR now through the holidays to essentially, you know, around, you know, theoretically the inauguration we have every four years, I think around the 20th of January of next year. But, you know, I don't see this crowd hammering out appropriations bills that can get passed in the House and the Senate. So we may back just to an annual CR off of the CR we've been dealing with for the last couple of years. You were here and one of the big issues was the Obamacare subsidies that got kind of got bailed out during the pandemic when people really weren't paying attention and in particular when Biden came in. And now you've got this big issue with all those that come out. You just heard President Trump right there with another idea. I think an idea that a lot of people might say that sounds pretty good. You were here when we had to deal with this the last Time. So first off, walk me through the shutdown. What do you think? The Democrats clearly kind of collapsed here at the end. And what does it mean? Because we still have this big health care issue. And, you know, Russ vote is kind of jammed up now, at least for a while on the rifts that he can do. He's got to wait till, I guess, the next CR or if they make it an annual cr. So where are, where are we in this? You've been through a couple of these.

[Dave Bratt]

Yeah, well, I think it's politics and control over the narrative at the top level. That's what's going on. And then there's been a few, you know, people got their fingers up in the air, seeing which way the wind's blowing. At first, I think it started off kind of in the Republicans favor the evidence, you know, shutting down the economy for illegal immigrants, etc. That narrative was winning. Then you had the Virginia, New Jersey, California elections and the Democrat pulse went up a little bit. They got excited and they, oh, we got something going here. And then lately, I think the Democrats see Thanksgiving break coming at them and that would be a doozy. Bad, very bad for them. And so I think they were testing out the health care trial balloon. The Republicans have no answer on that. They got to get one right. The Democrats back when I was in, it was pre existing conditions was they just push it and push it and push it. No end to spending. Right. So it's like debating or fighting against Santa Claus. It's an impossible fight to win when the country's already bankrupt. And so what we need, and I think President Trump has expressed some of this, but the health care system, it's 20% of the economy. Right. And you know, it's kind of the ultimate conceit of the free market logic to think that some genius can control in their head 20% of the economy is just absurd. But the hospital systems probably are the key link as far as the politics go. And they'll tell you, their CEOs told me, Dave, we love you, we love your ideas. But we, we got problems here because we need the formularies and the drugs and the Medicare and the Social Security numbers to make up for our hospital losses. And so the Republicans, we need to come up with, you know, in economics, we call it a Pareto efficient outcome. We need to make, we need to come up with some set of policies which makes everybody better off, somewhat better off without hurting anyone. If you hurt anyone, you lose.

[Steve Bannon]

I, I got that. It's great. I got that. But you know, we were told, and this had to be the priority of the Republicans after we won, you know, particularly in the House, we had to sort out Obamacare. You guys had passed, I think 40 bills or something to tear it down, but you knew they'd never be implemented. When President Trump came in, the speed bump we hit in the first seven months was exactly this. Do you see? I don't need to go back over that history, but do you see the Republicans coming together and coming up with a solution? I mean, President Trump threw out an alternative last night. Do you see the Republicans between now and Christmas break coming up with a solution?

[Dave Bratt]

No. On the show for the past four years, for the past 10 years with you, I've said they don't come together with any solutions. That's the problem. They let each 250 members go out and run their own campaign. There's not a Contract with America at the top. There needs to be. Right. We said we were going to repeal Obamacare and then we had a Paul Ryan with three bucket thing. And President Trump was doing his best to navigate all that thing, but it was an unmitigated disaster. And so they need to come forward. Yes. They need to put something in place that's very understandable that you can explain.

[Steve Bannon]

In one sentence simultaneously. Dave, I just wanted people to walk down the path here because this is going to drive us into the 26 midterms or the kickoff. The 26 midterms, I guess. We've already kicked off. But this will be the big launch.

[Dave Bratt]

Yep.

[Steve Bannon]

We've got what, 90 days until January 20th to basically come to a resolution on the $7 trillion budget and the $5 trillion of revenue. And I know Russ vote and people have these amazing plans that President Trump signed off on to cut spending and to do it in a smart way. But you just saw the Democrats, what they wanted to do there was add over a trillion dollars for illegal alien health care. In addition, the one thing they won was the stop the rifts to absolutely just hard stop the rift. So folks, in the next, you know, between now and the first of the year, and that goes through Thanksgiving, the holidays, Christmas, the new year, you're going to have two pitch battles here in Capitol Hill. I just don't see. I just don't see either one of these sides coming to any resolution. My point, I think we're going to kick off 20. You're going to have a lot of hate and discontent in this. The Democrats are going to get more wildly violent, crazier, and you know, we're going to be in a fix come January with maybe your cr. Hang on for a second. We've got. I want to play. Mark Mitchell and Alex Jones gonna take us to break. Mark Mitchell and Rosemary Jenks on the other side. Let's go ahead and hit it.

[Mark Mitchell]

And so when he comes out and talks about bringing the price of turkey down, well, these people can't afford houses to put the turkey in. And they're making jokes about you, about. Well, Trump's plan for affordability on Turkey is to like have a three year turkey loan where you can put no money down. And you know what I mean? It's like that bad. Again, where's the understanding that this needs to be economic populism? He ran as a populist and he's surrounded by billionaires. And like, Bill Pulte might be the nicest guy on earth, but when your solution to, like the housing crisis is to make prices higher, which is what happens when you juice demand without affecting supply, that's what that 50 year mortgage will do. It will make the baby boomer generation more wealthy because their houses prices will go up. It will make home builders more wealthy because they can sell higher priced houses. And it will make bankers more wealthy because they can siphon off more interest out of young people. And what's really sick is that we have a bubble right now. And so for Trump to expand borrowing by expanding credit, relaxing the credit requirements, what they're essentially doing is helping struggling people get into the market so that boomers who have made a lot of money can get out of the market at the top. That's even more perverse. And so that's what their solution was, when the real solution should be to crash the market. And yes, that would be bad for the economy, but everybody was talking about a controlled detonation of the economy. Remember back in January, I think it was, we're like, okay, we're in. How are we bringing this thing down? And you know what? That would have been the best thing for people under 50. They could have gotten rid of all the H1Bs and all the visas and then crash the housing market. That would have given every zoomer a job, a good job, like an Apple development job. Crashing the market like a fever would also push all the foreigners out, all the illegals. And unfortunately, it would be a generational wealth transfer. But we still have generational wealth transfers happening right now. You have young workers who are underemployed, basically paying for all the Social Security and Medicare that the boomer generation is Demanding to be there. And what I'm saying that we're seeing is the fourth Turning, and I think we're seeing it right now. And I think the Israel issue, and I'm not picking on Israel, it could have been any issue. No, absolutely. But exactly. That's been now the catalyst. That's what captured the public's attention. So break that down. If you look 20 years ago and ask America about, like, well, what do you think about Israel? It's like, it wouldn't have been that big of a political football and the numbers probably would have been flat across age, but then there would been a huge age spectrum between the youngs and the olds on what, like, candidates to support. Right now, it's the complete opposite. People aren't that far apart on trump between, like 18 and 65, but on Israel, they're completely far apart. The 18 to 29, only 21% say Israel. The 65 and older, it's 59%. So they're completely at odds. Very clearly, the fourth turning stuff. And what the fourth turning tells us is that there's a generation, the boomer generation is the one that, you know, takes over. Government grew up where there were strong institutions with strong values, takes advantage of that, that becomes more individualistic and selfish. And then at the cusp of the fourth turning crisis, there's a change of leadership into the hero generation, which is younger people, but specifically the millennials, people who have come up under them, were raised by them, but have a very different value set. And so there's a crisis. And after that crisis, I think values are pull, not push, can't push Christianity on people, conservatism on people. From a political perspective, there's a crisis and people reorder society around a new value set. So I think Israel is a very deeply ingrained boomer value. They saw the nation be formed, they supported it all through the years, and it's become a religious sacrament. And so the young people see that as a rebellion point.

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[Chip Roy]

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[Dave Bratt]

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[Rosemary Jenks]

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[Mark Mitchell]

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[Dave Bratt]

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[Rosemary Jenks]

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[Steve Bannon]

Okay. Welcome back. By the way. I'm here to defend boomers. Let the chat know that I have arrived. Man, oh man, talk about the fourth tournament. Did that film, did that film 15 years ago, I guess it was right the last 600 meters. Did the Generation Zero. I didn't realize how prescient I would be. Dave, Brett, we got Mark Mitchell here, but I want you to take. We don't need to get to the Israel issue right now. Let's take the first part of it, which is institutions and structures. Anytime you have these turn, you know, the kind of arc of American history, you have these, you have these turnings. The institutions that work for so many, you know, decades turn out that they may have either used up their usefulness or need to be regenerated. Your thoughts, sir?

[Dave Bratt]

Yeah, well, I think they're spot on.

[Steve Bannon]

And don't. And don't dump on my Boomers. I'll get Mitchell to do that.

[Dave Bratt]

No, no, I won't jump on them. I'll just put it longer on historical context. Right. The, the Christian tradition, the Catholics gave us human rights language. In 1300, human reason was thriving. We, the Enlightenment came upon us with human reason and thinned out our values. Right. It kind of secularized religion and without meaning in our lives, without that deeper source of connective tissue that links us all together, things start falling apart. That's been going on for 100 years. And the in Harvard, Yale and Princeton, all their mottos used to be truth for Christ and church. Not anymore. They're not even pursuing truth anymore with a capital table. And so when they're talking about this newer generation, they're growing up without the deeper meaning in their life. And I think the kids have a hunger for that. And they're going, they're going the Orthodox, the Eastern Orthodox religion is growing, I think faster than any of the others because of the structure and the discipline and the masculine elements. And people are starting to take a new look at religion. And so that ties into the Israel peace and the, and the, the values piece and the culture piece. And it's good news, but we're nowhere near culmination. Right? It's the beginning, it's the, the fourth turning is this AI chaos. And we're about ready to start seeing glimmers of hope by in the young people. I, I, I think.

[Steve Bannon]

In fact on AI I'll get to you. My trusty producer here, Grace has got it. Grace, you might want to go ahead when you're ready and put it up into the chat. About $5 trillion. It's $5 trillion. That looks like the total build out of the data centers, the energy, all of it of which the US taxpayer is going to be kind of footing the bill for a big part of it. So Mark Mitchell, you've been kind of on a roll. You've been at Rasmussen for years with Richard Barris, one of the guys that focuses on maga, the president, everything. You're quite concerned about some of the direction here, but the deeper issues you got to at the beginning of your and if people have not seen it, I put it up on Getter. One hour that Mark spent with Alex Jones is a kind of must watch TV and take your number two principle out when you're watching because he's got some great insights. Your thoughts this morning, sir?

[Mark Mitchell]

Yeah, My thoughts are the Republicans are going to lose because they don't understand politics. They're still playing yesterday's political game, which is a game about basically two warring sides, two warring ideological sides locked in a complete stalemate. And it's not like that anymore. People under 50 don't really care about conservatism. The problem is, is that all of these values have basically failed America. And everybody above 50 is generally doing pretty well. Everybody under 50 can't afford a house, doesn't want to get married, society doesn't Work. The churches don't mean as much as they used to. The schools suck. Like, everything's falling apart. And that's what happens on a fourth turning. And it's like, okay, you get this wave of boomers. They did really well. And what's wild is just look at, like, median homebuyer age, which has gone up from 39 to 59 in the last 20 years. So there's an entire slice of the generation that's literally just been priced out of the American dream. And the polling tells us this. Like, everybody thinks that today's children will be worse off than their parents. The numbers are just absolutely abysmal. So something like the music finally stopped is basically where we're at. And you have the Republican Party that's just like, well, you know, they'll be fine just voting for us because nobody likes socialism. Well, we're getting to the point where people are considering socialism. And I think that this was like the last chance of the right to actually put up or shut up. And everybody's seeing that, oh, they're just going to shut up. That's exactly what happened. Donald Trump had the perfect platform. He was given the biggest mandate the Republican Party is ever going to have. All he had to do was come in and literally just reform government and smash the oligarchy. And there he's not going to. And so all the young people, all these people, like the Trump voters under 40, they are not conservative at all. And they gave Donald Trump a 60% approval rating in the fall when, or in the spring when Elon Musk and Doge were just completely shock and awe, like, tearing the government apart. Everybody was validated that, yes, I distrusted the federal government and I was right. It sucks. And all of a sudden we just, like, bottled that back up. And now it's like, oh, it's the Republicans and Democrats. Who's going to blame more? Doesn't matter. They're just going to vote for Mamdani because he's going to give him a $10 trillion housing crisis bill and, you know, it'll destroy the republic.

[Steve Bannon]

Is this the reason. Is this the. Is this the reason that in political media you could tell that this shutdown did not generate the interest, did not generate the passion, did not generate the concern of the one that President Trump did in 18 for building the wall, and the one that. That was in 13 with Mike Lee and Ted Cruz about Obamacare. That conventional politics and kind of the Republicans and Democrats going out of it, going at it at a superficial level, is not what drives people now, we.

[Mark Mitchell]

Don'T have daily tracking on party, we have daily tracking on Trump. And this one was very different, entirely different landscape. I've been saying that people want to shut down, but the whole point was to actually reform the system with it. And so what happened is Donald Trump's numbers didn't take nosedive at all for the first three weeks of the shutdown. It was incredible. I didn't know what to expect. And people are like, okay, whatever, sure, we're going to shut this down. And on the Internet, which I admit is not real world, everybody was like, oh, look, we've got to get Russ vote the Grim reaper. So what happened is about three weeks into this, when Donald Trump's flying around the world talking to dignitaries and we're building the east wing of the White House and now food stamps are going to get defunded and we're walking into an election, all of a sudden, his numbers started tanking. And it was very clear that, in my opinion, the Republicans had no plan. And everybody went on the Internet and everyone was ripping their faces off on the right about Israel. And so I think that's what happened. And then you look at the elections and it's like, oh, yep, independents and crossover Democrats didn't turn out in New Jersey. And some of them might have been affected by what was going on, but clearly some of them, I think, just expected more out of a Republican Party and are not excited to go to the polls. Democrats are excited to go vote because they hate Trump and that motivates them on the right. Unfortunately, what motivates them is smashing the old oligarchy and burning the government down. And the right is not doing that. And so the left's going to get a chance, the pendulum is going to swing back, and this might be the last chance. I don't know. We got 355 days to an election, and the Republicans are going to lose this one. They are just going to lose it. It looked like their plan was gerrymandering, war of attrition that they're now appearing to lose. And the generic ballot is, I think, Democrat plus five on the Real Clear Politics aggregate. Rich says his numbers are way worse than that. I won't steal his thunder. And we're going to go back in the field soon, too. And history tells us they're going to lose it anyways. And so at this point, you know, you have a clip about it, but there needs to be drastic action for the Republican Party if they actually wanted to fix America. But I Think what's being revealed is that they just don't. And J.D. vance polls really well. But, you know, 2028 this time. We mean it is not a good campaign slogan.

[Steve Bannon]

What we're going to have. Andrew Colvette is going to be on here. Charlie Kirk. Charlie KIRK actually on August 19, put up an action plan. In fact, you'll see it. I put it up on Getter yesterday. You'll see it when we have a clip of Chip Roy and Benny Johnson. Talk about H1B visas. We're going to bring in, we're going to bring in Rosemary Jenks here in a moment. When you say they're going to lose it, obviously nothing in history is actually set in place. But you're recommending Barris is going to come on too. You're recommending from what you're seeing a pretty dramatic action plan to get back to the basics and particularly to get back to the motive power we had in the first hundred days, 200 days of the Trump, of the Trump second term.

[Mark Mitchell]

Yeah, they need to do something different. People voted for massive change in Washington D.C. not business as usual. And fighting over health care subsidies is business as usual. It just is. And the Republicans in Congress and the Senate, I understand you have a shiny object in front of you, but you're playing the wrong game. The right game is let's arrest some pharma company CEOs. The right game is like sue every insurance company for antitrust. The right game is like actually audit Medicare spending. Like find $100 billion worth of useless like sleep, sleep apnea payments or the, all the double payments that Doge was going after. Or all of these over diagnosis tests or like actually break the, the industry capture of the medical regulatory system. We have the right people, do we not? Like this is the best they're ever going to get in Washington D.C. and unfortunately, I think what's going to happen is none of that will work because these people care about business influences. Like literally Trump is surrounded apparently by billionaires right now and he has to smash the oligarchy. Not be the oligarchy or the, the Democrat Party is just going to take over the oligarchy. And that's what they're doing. They're just passing this political football back and forth. And you know, the, the music's going to stop. Like they, the right is turning into a hard right movement. The left is turning into a socialist movement. And you know, our dollar is just going to get destroyed and we're giving all the jobs away. The cream of our economy this is a health care thing, too. I mean, it's really perverse. The health care industry, 60% of the health medical insurance is actually, like, employer insurance. And the way they price those things is the whole company's age average is taken into account. So there's a really perverse incentive to just, like, push older people out of the workplace. And in my opinion, that's probably one of the primary drivers of H1B that everybody's raging against is that, well, we have too many old people. Well, we have a bottomless well of third world young people that we can import with the H1B program. And I don't care what that does to the American society or culture. I'm just increasing profits. And so Charlie Kirk's plan, and my understanding is. Charlie Kirk. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang.

[Steve Bannon]

On, hang on, hang on. Don't get ahead of yourself. We're gonna get to all that. We got Rosemary Jenks on H1B visas. We've got Andrew Covet, Richard Barris talking about Charlie's plan. Mitchell's gonna stick around with us. Okay, let's be honest. You never thought it would get this far. Maybe you missed the last IRS deadline or you haven't filed taxes in a while. Let me be clear. The IRS is cracking down harder than ever. And this ain't gonna go away anytime soon. That's why you need Tax Network usa. They don't just know the irs. They have a preferred direct line to the irs. They know which agents to deal with and which to avoid. Their expert negotiators. Have One Gold settle your tax problems quickly and in your favor. Their team has helped clear over $1 billion in tax debt. Whether you owe 10,000 or 10 million, even if your books are a mess or you haven't filed in years, Tax Network USA can help. But don't wait. This won't fix itself. Call Tax Network USA right now. It's free. Talk to a strategist. And finally, put this behind you. Call 1-800-958-1000. That's 1-800-958-10000. Or visit tnusa.com bannon make sure you tell them, Bannon. You'll get a free evaluation. That's 1-800-958-1000. Do not letters from the IRS or your failure to file work on your nerves anymore. Take action, action, action. And do it today. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann. All Family Pharmacy. Michael's here. CEO, sir. Had a great launch. I know we got a lot of Doctors, a lot of people that have pharmacies that contacted you, just people are so glad that you're with the War Room. Take a second. What actually is it? Why is your watchword medical freedom and how does this help people? We just had the great MAHA conference here yesterday. Claire Dooley's going to be on later. Talk about it. Why is All Family Pharmacy help and assist when people are concerned about their medical freedom?

[Michael (All Family Pharmacy CEO)]

All Family Pharmacy was born on medical freedom. We're giving patients, all Americans, access to everyday medications that doctors simply don't want to prescribe. Pharmacists simply just don't want to dispense. We've been doing this since the early pandemic days where so many medications, specifically ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, were restricted from Americans being able to order. And it was an unfortunate time that we all had to go through. Meanwhile, there's other parts of the world where people had free access to these types of medications. So we've. We've kind of built ourselves off of that medical freedom. We give you a doctor. You request the medications. The doctor's job is to make sure they're safe and effective and that they'll be used safely and effectively by you as a patient. By doing that, we've cut so much red tape. We've gotten rid of so much wasteful spending. It's just a doctor fee and a medication fee and a shipping fee. That's all it is. It's as simple as can be. There's no insurance. There's nobody getting in the way of you and the medications that you deserve. Ultimately, at the end of the day.

[Steve Bannon]

How do people get there? What the War Room does is allow the posse to actually go to these sites, meet the people, get relationships. Where do they go right now to go to your site? Who do they talk to? You're extending, I think that the Bannon 25. You're extending the sale you had the other day for Veterans Day a little bit. But we want to basically introduce you to the War Room Posse. So where do people go?

[Michael (All Family Pharmacy CEO)]

So you go to allfamilypharmacy.com Bannon. The coupon code is Bannon25. We created this for Veterans Day. We've decided to extend it because it was so popular. So many people missed out on the opportunity because Veterans Day fell on a Tuesday this year. So we're giving that ability until, I believe, Friday for them to place that order. We're allowing you to take your time. Take a look at the website see what is needed specifically for you for flu season. It's time to stockpile on certain medications that could help you during flu season. We do also have our vitamin companies called Operation Wellness. A portion of those proceeds go to Children of the Fallen Patriots. It's an organization that we fell in love with. 99% of the proceeds are actually donated. This isn't one of those organizations where they don't donate everything, anything, and it goes to children, those who have lost a parent to war, to an act of duty. It's an important, important organization for us and we love it. And we do donate those proceeds to them through our vitamin and supplement company. So it's a great time to order as well.

[Mark Mitchell]

Perfect.

[Steve Bannon]

Michael, thank you so much. Look forward to have you back here in the next couple of days. People Love the company. Allfamilypharmacy.com Bannon25 Go there today. Meet Michael and his team. Thank you, brother. Let's go and play. Benny Johnson, Chip Roy. We've got Rosemary Jenks, Mark Mitchell, Dave Bratt. Let's go and play the clip. The dream of homeownership and a functional.

[Michael (All Family Pharmacy CEO)]

Society has collapsed in one generation since.

[Mark Mitchell]

The greatest generation in World War II.

[Michael (All Family Pharmacy CEO)]

And it's something that we gotta fix. Charlie's solution, obviously, is mass deportations and ending H1B scams, among other things. What's your take on this, Congressman?

[Chip Roy]

Well, first of all, I did listen to virtually all of Byron's interview, and there's a reason that I've endorsed him for governor. We agree. We are great friends. We work together in the House Freedom Caucus. We are aligned philosophically on a lot of these issues. So I agree with much of what he said. But what I would just add is, as you know, in Texas, we've been dealing with the brunt of the illegal immigration influence, but now we're seeing, I think, the ramifications of the H1B system and how it has been abused in addition to chain migration and diversity visas, which we've been trying to fix for a long time and we've been unable to do so. You'll remember back in 2018 with the various bills that were being debated in President Trump's first term. And we were unable to get that resolved as Republicans. And it left it both broken with respect to the illegal immigration system. We didn't get the wall fully built. We didn't get fixes to all of the asylum problems and the abuse of parole and the catch and release. But we also didn't address ending the chain migration, diversity visas we had language to do it. We just couldn't get the votes. So now what are we dealing with in Texas? We're dealing with a massive Islamism problem. We're dealing with a massive problem of the advancement of Sharia law. We're dealing with a mass community that is growing up that have no desire to assimilate and come here to become American and embrace Western civilization, embrace our Constitution, embrace our values. We've allowed the corporatists to define our entire national policy. And if I were going to go talk about what Charlie's tweet there was about that summary which is exceptionally on point and as he always was when he was starting from faith, family, the foundational principles. And that encapsulates it very well. You should be able to own a home. You should be able to have Americans getting jobs. And the mass deportation is correct, the ending H1B visas is correct, et cetera. But what I would point out here is that we're dealing with a cultural problem about who we are as Americans. Going back a couple of years ago, I was noting 51 million people in this country are foreign born. Betty, that's something like 16 or 17% of the population. Now that is higher than it's ever been. That is higher than it was in the early 20th century. Right when we had the massive.

[Steve Bannon]

One second, just hold that. I want to get to Rosemary Jenks. Chip is going to join us tomorrow to talk about this. So what Chip is saying, he's, he's actually working on. They're working on some legislation now, Rosemary Jenks, to resolve these problems, H1B visas and others. Can you just give us not an idea what's in. Because I know they're going to launch this and announce it and you've been working on it. But the mood change up on Capitol Hill that these things have to be addressed. Now, you heard Chip give a great summary of kind of the Charlie Kirk perspective of how bad this has gotten. Ma'.

[Dave Bratt]

Am.

[Rosemary Jenks]

Well, I'm not sure that unfortunately there has been an overall mood change in Congress. I think there are members of Congress who are figuring this out and who are listening to the American people. And obviously Congressman Roy is one of them. There are others. But you know, what we need right now is a turning point. You know, speaking of Charlie Kirk, we need to have a national conversation about what our immigration policy should be. You know this. I'll tell you a dirty little secret. Our immigration system is working exactly as Congress intended it to work right now. This is what they designed it for. It is not working for the American people, but it is doing exactly what they intended. So we need to step back and have a national conversation about what an immigration policy that serves Americans interests looks like. And the best way to do that is to have a moratorium bill that stops it all right now so that we can have that conversation. And that is what Congressman Roy is talking about.

[Steve Bannon]

So an HB H1B Ville bill that we've been talking about because we think the whole thing's a scam to shut it down. What's going to be the pushback on that from industry? Because right now, as you know, Rosemary, they have not shown us one billet that an American can't fill either to an education level or job experience. This is all about driving down wages. So if Roy and others put forward a bill to basically put the whole system, the H1B system, on a hiatus, what is industry and what are the tech bros going to say?

[Rosemary Jenks]

Well, first of all, what Congressman Roy is talking about is not just putting H1B on hiatus. He's talking about the entire immigration system. So legal immigration, non immigrant workers, all of it. But there is going to be absolute caterwauling from the tech industry. They're going to claim that, you know, they're going to go out of business. And a lot of the chamber of commerce types will claim the same thing. The fact is there will be short term dislocations, short term pain if this is enacted. But there's going to be plenty of warning for these companies that are dependent on, or you know, say they're dependent on cheaper foreign labor. Because this is going to take some time. It's not going to be enacted by Congress overnight. We have a lot of work to do to build support for this, this kind of legislation. But the fact is American companies need to start now, weaning themselves off this cheap foreign labor and hiring Americans. It's good for America, it's good for American workers, it's good for our economy. So start now and the dislocation, the disruption will be significantly less. When we get to a point that finally Americans voices are actually heard in Congress, we have.

[Steve Bannon]

Is it correct? I think we have 12 million STEM workers, people that are trained either through education and, or training in industry that are not in the workforce or out of work now in. In a STEM profession. Correct. So there's a pretty deep pool of candidates out there.

[Rosemary Jenks]

Absolutely. And we know that there has been massive discrimination against American workers over the age of 40 who, you know, are becoming too expensive and the employers can fire them and bring in a younger, cheaper, entry level foreign worker at a much lower salary. We also know of course that young Americans are being just completely ignored in tech fields because the foreign student to opt to H1B pipeline is so robust. And so it's time to break those. It's time to break the pipelines. It's time to break the dependence on foreign workers. Americans absolutely need this to happen and we need it to happen now. It's not going to happen, you know, instantly, but we need it to happen and we need to have this conversation. And I think that is the big thing that Congressman Roy's legislation will generate is this national conversation on what is the immigration policy we need. Do we need any immigration at all? You know, maybe we want to limit to spouses and minor children. Maybe we want to have no immigration for some significant period of time. We've got to have that conversation. The American people have never been asked what immigration policy do you want? It's time.

[Steve Bannon]

To the dislocations though for the tech. For the tech bros because they're going to cat waller in on with their lobby. So all that, if you plan ahead and we plan ahead starting now, it won't be that bad because you've got a tremendous pool plus American citizens, not foreign students, but American citizens coming out of university every year. If you got serious and planned this out, the disruptions and displacements would be pretty small, correct?

[Rosemary Jenks]

Yeah, that's absolutely true. We have plenty of workers in this country. And even if you have to take a worker out of college and train them to do whatever it is you do, whether it's building ships or building missiles or whatever, that there will be time to do that if you start now. So if employers want to avoid the economic disruptions, they need to start now and start focusing on American workers.

[Steve Bannon]

Rosemary, you're going to be a main part of actually getting the narrative set and the messaging, all that. Where do people go? I know Dave Bratt is on your board, a board member in good standing. He did this because he wanted to see action. Also, where do folks go to get more information?

[Rosemary Jenks]

Dave is the chairman of our board and we are. The website is iapaction.com iapaction.com or iaproject.org but iapaction.com is the most exciting website and all of our social media is linked at the top of the website so you can find all of that. And we're very active so. And we, we need the support of the war room posse. So please help us out and go visit our website.

[Steve Bannon]

This is going to be a big fight. Ma', am. Thank you so much. Appreciate you. We're gonna take a short commercial break. Rickards war room.com we got a landing page for Jim Rickards. Jim hopefully is going to be with us tomorrow. Saturday if we can do that. One of the great geopolitical thinkers. Capital markets, all of it. Rickards war room.com get you access to strategic intelligence which is based upon his modeling of predictive analytics. Read what CEOs and chairmans of the board all over the world read. Get up his feet. Rickardswarron.com he also throws in a free book, Money Chat, GPT. Hey, I realize you got many choices when it comes to who you choose for your cell phone service and there are new ones popping up all the time. But here's the truth. There's only one that boldly stands in the gap for every American that believes that freedom is worth fighting for. And that's the team at Patriot Mobile. For more than 12 years Patriot Mobile has been on the front lines of fighting for our God given rights and freedoms while also providing exceptional nationwide cell phone service with access to all three of the main networks. Don't just take my word for it. Ask the hundreds of thousands of Americans who've made the switch and are now supporting causes they believe in. Simply by joining Patriot Mobile, switching is easier than ever. Activate in minutes from the comfort of your own home. Keep your number, keep your phone or upgrade. Patriot Mobile's all US based support team is standing by to take care of you. Call 978 Patriot today or go to patriotmobile.com Bannon that's patriotmobile.com Bannon use the promo code Bannon for a free month of service. That's patriotmobile.com bannon or call 972 Patriot and make the switch today. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Okay, Mark Mitchell, Rosemary Jinxman working on this. They're all set to go. Dave Bratz, the chairman. Your thoughts about this, about this may be a messaging bill. What are you warning not just the Republican party and the MAGA movement, but the country at large, sir.

[Mark Mitchell]

355 days until the pendulum swings back to the left. And this one, this time they're going for it. And so the time for talking is over. And I will respectfully say that yes, somebody has asked America what they think about the H1B situation and immigration. Well, if you ask them about H1B, they say, yeah, they like it because we like the idea of being able to take talented people. But then they say, oh, but the corporations are abusing it. I hate major corporations. The economy is fair, I can't buy a house and I'm ready to turn to socialism because capitalism has failed me. And they've told us this over and over again and it's been forever. And I've only ever had two Republicans ever reach out to me for polling. And so they don't, they don't care because their interests don't want this. And the idea that somehow we're just going to discover performatively in some national conversation The Americans hate H1BS is ridiculous. Donald Trump still out there defending it with billionaire propaganda on tv, giving his movement a smack in the face when his movement, like I don't know if everybody remembers, but there was a pretty major event, the Christmas massacre of Ramaswamy back in December of 2024. The youth yeeted him out of the conservative movement because of his defense of the Indian work culture. No, Americans aren't stupid. No, Americans aren't lazy. And the idea that we don't have these people is retarded. I apply for some major jobs in the tech industry and every time I go for a job I want, I've had to go against 500 people just like me and 500 Indians and they hire the Indians. And everybody knows that every one of these tech companies is chock full of them because we've given the best parts of our economy away to the rest of the world. It was sold out. Sold out. And the Americans know it. They know this already. And so I've done a lot of stick. Let's do some carrot. If the Republican party can do this, not talk about it, do this, within a year they will rule for 50 years. They will capture the youth. They have to do a two point plan. One is everything that Andrew is about to talk about, the Charlie Kirk plan of economic populism. And yes, there will be some economic disruption. The youth want to drink billionaire tears. That's part of the process. And then two, it's visibly reform government. The FBI rated mar a lago like the Gestapo. Just putting somebody else in charge of it doesn't restore institutional trust. There needs to be a visible reform process. People have to see into the investigations, see the firings, see the root cause and corrective action about all of our agencies, the FBI, the CIA, the irs. What about the regulatory capture of the health care industry? Health care is going to destroy our republic. And the youth know it because their health care, their individual Plans cost almost as much as rent. Talking about a 10% reduction because of price negotiation with insurance companies is not adequate. It's old politics. You will fail. The oligarchy needs to be smashed. The only question is, is it with a right hook or a left hook?

[Steve Bannon]

Mark Mitchell, you're on fire. Where do people go to get on your social media and particularly your YouTube channel?

[Mark Mitchell]

Rasmussen underscore poll on Twitter and I'm blowing up apparently just passed Mark levin on Twitter HonestPolster and Rasmussen underscore poll on YouTube. They can go get that one hour on Alex Jones interview there.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on. You passed on engagement. The numbers are blowing up, but you're doing it off a relatively small base. He's got a couple of million. You have what, 150,000?

[Mark Mitchell]

Oh, yeah. He's got a follower base 50x higher than me, but I could probably ratio him right now if I wanted to.

[Steve Bannon]

Wow. Mark Mitchell, thank you, brother. Thank you for coming on here and being giving it to us with the bark on.

[Mark Mitchell]

Great, great to be here. Thanks, Dave.

[Steve Bannon]

Brat. You heard it. Got to take action. If you do this, you'll, if you get this done next year, kind of, you know, let's stop all immigration for a while and let's get rid of the H1B program. You will reign for 50 years. Your thoughts? We have a Republican Party. Do we have enough leaders up there that can help get this done?

[Dave Bratt]

No, absolutely not. I agree with everything Mark Mitchell said and the way he said it, it's brilliant, it's spot on. But he mentioned two key words. One is there's going to be dislocation and chaos and we're going to smash the oligarchs. If you smash the oligarchs, you're going to smash what I call the giant Excel spreadsheet in the sky. That's only in the speaker's office. It's the Excel spreadsheet with all the donors and the funders. If so, you may pick up the young vote, but you'll lose the money vote. And so the only person capable of solving this again, unfortunately, is President Trump. If he chooses to message on this and tell the speaker and Thune what to do, they will do it. I think they better do it. I think you just put your finger on it. I got a chart later on. Inflation under Biden at 20%. If you explain the inflation piece and this immigration piece, I think Mark Mitchell is exactly right. You will win and you will be in power for 50 years because you will gain your credibility again and We've lost it. We lost the credibility and the momentum. We got to get it back.

[Steve Bannon]

Now, hang on. When you say explain inflation, immigration, what do you talk about? How he inherited a mess that was had 20% inflation, the dollar getting crushed. Explain that. You've already said that were in charge. And it's a golden age. How do you go back and tell people, hey, this hole is so much deeper than anybody let on, sir.

[Dave Bratt]

You know, I think it's essential. I mean, we were saying that on the war room. Not, not so fast on the cheerleading. The capital investment up in the $15 trillion range is coming. It's heroic. If Denver wants to put up a Chart just for 10 seconds, here's the inflation story, right? In 10 seconds, there's Trump on the far left at 0.1 and 1.4. Then under Biden, you get, you got to add all those numbers together. The nine one is the peak. And then you add five and four and three and you get 21% inflation under Biden and what no one has explained to the American people. And President Trump ought to put that chart up on TV and say, guess what? That 20% price increase, the destruction of the dollar, that's what you're feeling. That does not go away. Right. When you see that 3, 5 at the end, that doesn't mean the 20% away went away. The 20% is locked in permanently. And you've lost 20% of your retirement account. They've destroyed 20% of the purchasing power of your retirement account. And Trump needs to explain that because that's what he's getting judged.

[Steve Bannon]

This is what, this is why the BRICS nations made a move on the dollar, the de dollarization.

[Dave Bratt]

Yeah.

[Steve Bannon]

One, it's to take the United States down. But two, they were getting stiffed. What does this mean? I think it means the IRS because the CR is far from over as far as we will actually get an appropriations bill that President Trump wants that cuts, cuts costs, cut spending. As long as you're running $2 trillion deficits, the IRS needs your money from somewhere, even if Scott Bessant is overseeing it. 800-958-1000, Tax Network USA call them up. Tell them your tax pale of woe. They've heard it all before. They've solved a billion dollars worth of tax issues. So there's nothing they haven't heard before. But what you can't do is just let the letter go unanswered or put it in the drawer. Tax Network USA tnusa.com or 1-800-958-1000, do it today. Short break. Andrew Colvett next. What if he had the brightest mind in the war room delivering critical financial research every month? Steve Bannon here. War room listeners know Jim Rickards. I love this guy. He's our wise man. A former CIA, Pentagon and White House adviser with an unmatched grasp of geopolitics and capital markets, Jim predicted Trump's Electoral College victory exactly 312 to 226, down to the actual number itself. Now he's issuing a dire warning about April 11, a moment that could define Trump's presidency and your financial future. His latest book, MoneyGPT, exposes how AI is setting the stage for financial chaos. Bank runs at lightning speeds, algorithm driven crashes, and even threats to national security. Right now, War room members get a free copy of MoneyGPT when they sign up for Strategic Intelligence. This is Jim's flagship financial newsletter, Strategic Intelligence. I read it. You should read it. Time is running out. Go to Rickards War room dot com. That's all one word. Rickards War Room records with an S. Go now and claim your free book. That's rickardswarroom.com do it today.