Episode 4925: Federal Criminal Probe Into Swalwell; Gene Editing And Creating Your Own Future

Summary

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Bannon's War Room, Episode 4925: "Federal Criminal Probe Into Swalwell; Gene Editing And Creating Your Own Future"

Date: November 13, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Key Guests: Mike Davis, Natalie Winters, Ben Berkwam, Jake, Katie, Claire

Episode Overview

This episode centers around several major themes: the federal referral for a criminal probe of Congressman Eric Swalwell related to alleged mortgage and tax fraud; ongoing legal battles around high-profile interim US attorneys; alleged lawfare by "dark money" progressive networks; the contested role of activist judges in immigration enforcement; and deep concerns around gene editing and the ethics of emerging biotech backed by Silicon Valley. As always, the War Room blends frontline political commentary with calls for accountability, action, and scrutiny of institutional power.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Eric Swalwell's Federal Criminal Probe

[00:00–02:49, 13:21–18:22]

• Referral Details: Stephen K. Bannon reports that Eric Swalwell, a California congressman, has been referred by FHFA chief Bill Pulte for a federal criminal probe into alleged mortgage and tax fraud regarding a DC property, per NBC News.
• Political Context: Jake and Mike Davis point out that most politically adversarial Democrats are now under investigation, suggesting a pattern that critics label as targeting.
• Swalwell's Response: Swalwell issues a defiant statement, referencing his vocal criticism of Trump and affirming he will not back down:

  "As the most vocal critic of Donald Trump over the last decade and as the only person who still has a surviving lawsuit against him... Of course I will not end my lawsuit against him and I will not stop speaking out against the president." — Eric Swalwell (read by Bannon at 01:49)

• Mortgage Details Unclear: Legal nuances about the residency mortgage claims remain murky. Jake highlights the complexity:

  "A lot of members of Congress have homes in DC... I'm not familiar enough with the law to know what defines a primary residence." — Jake (02:49)

• Dark Money Ties & “Lawfare”: Natalie Winters links the accusers and lawsuit filers to networks like Arabella Advisors, suggesting coordinated fundraising and activism:

  "It's linked to the Arabella Advisors dark money network... It's the campaign for accountability..." — Natalie Winters (06:47)

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2. Legal Maneuverings Against High-Profile Democrats and Interim U.S. Attorneys

[03:42–12:58, 25:08–27:19]

• Lindsey Halligan's Appointment Challenged: Discussion with Katie and Mike Davis on the legal attempts to remove Halligan as interim U.S. attorney, focusing on allegations her appointment was invalid.
• Judge’s Skepticism: Judge Curry's probing about the "declination memo" indicates a suspicion that procedural errors may be more than paperwork—potentially substantial missteps in prosecutorial discretion.
• Mike Davis Defends DOJ Actions: The Trump-aligned DOJ is characterized as having amassed substantial evidence, particularly against James Comey:

  "Lindsey Halligan working with Kash Patel and Dan Bongino... have unearthed tremendous evidence of guilt against James Comey..." — Mike Davis (09:43)

• Lawsuits, Appeals, and the Supreme Court: Expectation that efforts to remove Halligan (and by extension other Trump DOJ officials) will result in a back-and-forth between lower courts and eventual Supreme Court clarification.

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3. Judicial Activism and Immigration Enforcement

[13:08–23:50]

• Release of ICE Detainees: Controversy over federal judges in Chicago and elsewhere potentially ordering the release of hundreds of ICE detainees, allegedly overreaching their authority.
• ICE Agents’ Morale: Ben Berkwam describes on-the-ground ICE agents as demoralized and angered by activist interference:

  "These guys want to be able to do their job... They love President Trump and that's why we have more applications for ICE than we've ever had." — Ben Berkwam (22:43)

• Root of the Challenge: The episode frames these judicial decisions as part of left-wing lawfare, with non-profits linked to groups like Indivisible and Arabella Advisors coordinating legal obstruction.

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4. Dark Money, Lawfare, and Color Revolution Tactics

[24:44–35:50]

• Progressive Funding Networks: Bannon, Winters, and guests discuss how coordinated funding between NGOs, law firms, and activist groups creates formidable opposition to the Trump agenda.

  "The right has nothing like this apparatus that the left has — this very, very constant money machine..." — Bannon (24:53)

• Comparison to Statecraft Abroad: Winters connects the progressive legal and activist strategy to tactics deployed in US-backed color revolutions overseas, warning:

  "They're talking about how they're working on this global anti-authoritarianism movement... it's the gateway drug into opening the Pandora's box of the color revolution tactics." — Natalie Winters (33:28)

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5. USAID, Elite Merger, and Chinese Competition

[28:44–42:15]

• USAID as a Hotbed for Anti-Trump Coordination: Claire explains how, post-2024 election, USAID's internal networks prepared to resist the incoming administration, even launching encrypted chats and "simple sabotage" tactics.

  "We are a cautious community and well prepared for... the attacks that were already happening during the election cycle..." — Claire (30:47)

• Geopolitics & Chinese Threat: Winters highlights failures of US "soft power" versus China’s infrastructure diplomacy and laments bipartisan support for USAID-style programming.
• US Funding Chinese Tech: New revelations show US government agencies (Army, DOE, NIH) inadvertently funding Chinese military-linked semiconductor labs; Bannon and Winters see this as systemic elite-driven "managed decline."

  "How can we possibly be doing this? They're using the rare earths against us and we're actually funding the Rare Earth Institute studies." — Bannon (36:36)

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6. Gene Editing, Biotech, and the 'New Future'

[44:45–51:03]

• AI & Genetic Engineering: Summarizing recent investigative reports, Bannon and Winters expose how major Silicon Valley figures, like Sam Altman (OpenAI) and Brian Armstrong (Coinbase), are now funding companies—such as "Preventive"—who are actively pursuing creation of genetically engineered babies. The goal: using controversial science "to shock the world into acceptance."

  "The guy they set up to do in secret a genetically engineered from a test tube, a complete baby... just drop it on the world to shock the world into acceptance. This is how these guys think." — Bannon (49:48)

• Ethics and Regulation: Bannon calls for urgent regulation to prevent "going down a very dark path on AI and genetic engineering."
• Silicon Valley's Role: Winters is skeptical of tech leaders' motivations:

  "I think this is really the real reason why so many of these people have pretended to be MAGA... they want us to continue to underwrite..." — Natalie Winters (47:06)

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Lawfare and Political Prosecution:

  "No one's above the law. So if he (Swalwell) violated federal law with mortgage fraud, then he should be held accountable for it... but it smells pretty bad right now." — Mike Davis (17:05)

• On Color Revolution Tactics in the US:

  "They're working with their international colleagues... the language is the gateway drug... the Brookings Institution's 'democracy playbook'—originally drafted for use abroad—is now being used here." — Natalie Winters (33:28)

• On the New Biotech Shock:

  "A plan to produce this baby in secret... just drop it on the world to shock the world into acceptance." — Stephanie Ruhle (quoted at 49:19, 49:27)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Eric Swalwell Probe & Political Context: 00:00–02:49, 13:21–18:22
• Legal Battles Over DOJ/Interim US Attorneys: 03:42–12:58, 25:08–27:19
• ICE, Immigration, and Judicial Activism: 13:08–23:50
• Dark Money & Lawfare Machinery: 24:44–35:50
• USAID as Resistance Network & China Issues: 28:44–42:15
• AI, Genetic Engineering, and Tech Power: 44:45–51:03

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Tone and Style

The episode delivers its content with an urgent, combative tone. Bannon and guests are relentless in critiquing the motives and methods of political adversaries, focusing on lawfare, institutional capture, and “managed decline.” Both righteous indignation and conspiratorial rhetoric pervade segment transitions, with an emphasis on exposing and countering perceived elite schemes.

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For listeners new to these topics, this episode is a dense and provocative mix of investigative reporting, political polemic, and insider strategizing about the nexus of law, technology, and raw political power in 2025 America.

Transcript

[Stephen K. Bannon]

California congressman eric swalwell now the fourth democratic official to face mortgage fraud fraud allegations according to new reporting from nbc news president trump's top housing official bill pulte reportedly referred swalwell again according to nbc news to the justice department for a possible federal criminal probe based on allegations of mortgage fraud and tax fraud related to a dc residence according to a person familiar with the referral who again spoke that spoke with nbc news.

[Jake]

I mean that's basically the argument remember where this is coming from this is coming coming from bill pulte who runs the fhfa federal housing finance authority and somebody who is close to the president and has at times clashed with other people in the white house but has this close relationship with the president and based on our reporting and public reporting does a lot of what the president wants him to do and listen i don't know the particulars of eric swalwell's living situation so this again this letter which i believe we do have although entirely sure since i've been on with.

[Mike Davis]

You.

[Jake]

Doesn'T really lay out in rich detail what they are what they are going after him for but to be honest with you as lisa just said if you look at the list of people that the administration is is targeting it's all people who are political adversaries of the president so we'll see where this goes eric swalwell has made a name for himself up here on capitol hill as somebody who is probably one of the most ardent critics of the president going back years and the and trump world has gone at him with everything they they have over the over the last few years as well so yeah i am not surprised by this in any way shape or form to.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Be frank with you he has his own statement here's what he says as the most vocal critic of donald trump over the last decade and as the only person who still has a surviving lawsuit against him the only thing i'm surprised about is that it took him this long to come after me like james james comey and john bolton adam schiff and lisa cook letitia james and the dozens more to come i refuse to live in fear in what was once the freest country in the world of course i will not end my lawsuit against him and i will not stop speaking out against the president and speaking up for californians as mark twain said patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it mister president do better be better all right the other bit of news as we watch what happens next with eric swalwell and i am curious to see if republican lawmakers start to get uncomfortable with this and maybe start to say so jake you let me know if that starts happening but i assume it hasn't happened yet katie can.

[Jake]

I make one point yeah can i make one point here sure i will you hit a key point which is a lot of members of congress have homes in washington dc many many many of them you're working on doing something like this on the merits here and by the way it ain't cheap i'm just saying it's a complicated living situation that costs a lot of money i would imagine that a lot of people have a lot of you know people have mortgages in both places and stuff like that i'm not i'm not familiar enough with the law to know whether what defines a primary residence he's a resident of california clearly he's elected from california but if you're going to start poking around at the living situations of members of congress which by the way we have done in the past in my career looking at living situations it is it is complicated lindsey halligan and.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Whether she is allowed legally to bring these cases lisa there was a court hearing about this today that's why you're standing out there outside tell me what.

Happened.

[Katie]

In a judge cameron mccurry of the district of south carolina katie came up here to alexandria virginia to the courthouse right behind me to hear arguments from lawyers for tish james and james comey together about why lindsey halligan's appointment here was unlawful and why in light of that the indictments against both of them cannot stand and judge curry is not a particularly demonstrative judge she's not a person that you can really tell her moods based on her expressions for example or where she's headed but she asked a couple of questions that indicate to people like me where this is going and the first question out of her mouth and this is in political very good report of today's hearing was she asked the defense if they were in possession of what's called the declination memo that was written in the comey case a declination memo is sort of what it sounds like it is a detailed legal memo laying out the reasoning why prosecutors believe that in the interest of justice a case should not be brought now jim comey's lawyers don't have that but judge curry is asking the question because the government's position here is if anything went wrong in the appointment of lindsey halligan nothing more than like a scrivener's error or a paper error and i think what judge curry is driving at is no no no something here was very substantial something here was gained that otherwise would not have been you had line prosecutors authoring a declination memo maybe that's not in your possession now but we know it to exist and if they didn't want to bring the case the very fact that lindsey halligan was appointed here and that eric siebert who had been her predecessor was forced to resign that is a very consequential decision and one that matter.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people christians i got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people like that go to share the big lie.

[Jake]

Maga media i wish in my soul.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I wish that any of these people.

[Jake]

Had a conscience ask yourself what is.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

My task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k ban it's thursday the thirteenth of november in the year of our lord twenty twenty five you're in the war room we're packed for the next two hours i want to start with halligan natalie halligan even being but who's bringing these people to court one of one of the dark forces that we highlighted all the time is the back of it who.

[Natalie Winters]

Is it well i'm going to shock you but it's linked to the arabella advisors dark money network in this case another euphemistic name it's the campaign for accountability but i'll raise is this mark.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Elias got the fee for norm eisen.

[Natalie Winters]

Norm eisen he and jen rubin over at their their new substack gig the contrarian were hosting a pretty bizarre our livestream where they were talking about specifically this strategy where they're bringing these lawsuits against these interim us attorneys to try to force it to the judges to basically pick their replacements they're fundraising off of that of course yes yeah but it's i mean fake money to begin with let's not get into the act blue stuff but yeah all these lawsuits are basically cut from the same cloth in terms of the entities that they're.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Coming from the viceroy's with us mike davis mike so natalie's just told us who's doing this they're fundraising off it i mean they're if you watch msnbc they're beating themselves on the chest to how great a strategy this is are they going to get halligan are they going to get halligan off this case.

[Mike Davis]

Sir well even if they have some democrat appointed judge temporarily get her off this case it will get appealed up through the appellate system to the supreme court and i think the supreme court is going to side with the trump justice department on this she was appointed based upon a statute giving her one hundred and twenty day appointment and then the attorney general pam bondi also made hallogen a special attorney to the attorney general so she has full authority to do what she's doing and she could they could just make her the first assistant us attorney and she can continue doing her job as the first assistant here's the bottom line they may try to get some democrat judge to temporarily knock these us attorneys out of their positions but it's not going to fix their problem if you look at what halligan has done so far in response for example to comey's motion to dismiss the indictment for for selective prosecution how halligan showed overwhelming evidence in response to that that that comey lied to congress and obstructed the congressional investigation she just put out more evidence today when comey asked for a bill of particulars this evidence is very damning against james comey and i can see why these democrat activists are running to these democrat judges to try to get rid of but.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

They'Re also trying i want to make sure the audience understands that these filings are solid they're trying to make a case that there's real no evidence on comey and they didn't file anything and the judges are upset and they're asking again today because they're trying to build a narrative that you know the trump justice department is just a group of unprofessional savages that run into court with indictments but then don't have anything they're not ready to go to trial they haven't done anything what are the facts here mike as you see them the.

[Mike Davis]

Facts are that lindsey halligan working with kash patel and dan bongino and senator chuck grassley's office have unearthed tremendous evidence of guilt against james comey for lying about the russian collusion hoax crossfire hurricane lying about these ongoing investigations obstructing congressional investigations lindsey has shown the receipts and she's doing it the appropriate way it's comey who's inviting this he's filing these motion the motion to dismiss the indictment the motion for a bill of particulars and in response to each one of those lindsey halligan has shown her receipts and again this evidence is overwhelming and it's damning now of course he gets to go to trial he can he can put on his own evidence he can confront the evidence and the witnesses against him with cross examination he's presumed innocent all of that but if you look at this evidence with his own emails if we have a fair judge and a fair jury comey's going to prison.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

How long on halligan you broke up steve i apologize now how long on halligan before the judge comes to some conclusion is she on the case or not on the case i think.

[Mike Davis]

This judge is going to bounce lindsey from the case because it's a clinton appointed democrat judge and of course they know that lindsey's over the target and so they're gonna do everything they can to stop her they're going to try to create this this smoke around her she will eventually get put back on the case i don't know if it's going to be the fourth circuit who does it or the supreme court that does it but lindsay will be back on this case but it's going to be a temporary setback by these democrat operatives working with with these democrat but.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

They still they still chop block us and they get some time to say during the judges before i go to swalwell i want to talk about this ice it's kind of confusing so we get ben berkwam here who's been out operationally with these folks what the judge what are these judges doing they're going to let these ice detainees just go it's it's it's very confusing what they're saying and it's quite dangerous mike davis.

[Mike Davis]

These democrat activist judges are lawless they they have they do not have the jurisdiction to just free these ice detainees like they think they do there's an immigration judicial system that that's run through the through the justice department there are immigration judges and you go through that process you don't just run to district judges and get hundreds of illegal aliens dangerous illegal aliens freed from jail because some some democrat activist judge has a policy disagreement with the american people and are duly elected president of the united states again president trump campaigned on the fact he's going to secure our border he's going to expel these illegal aliens and the american people liked what they heard they elected trump with three hundred twelve electoral votes all seven swing states the popular vote he kept the house he won a comfortable margin in the senate these democrat activist judges do not have the power to interfere like they are in the president's core article to.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Executive powers but they're going to make a decision next week that's another thing is probably going to have to go to an appellate court i mean it's all to slow down the process right if they slow it down that's a.

[Mike Davis]

Victory for them it's judicial sabotage and.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

They know it hang on for one second swalwell is he being indicted for a fang fang are we getting a real are we getting a real case here or is it something i wish.

[Natalie Winters]

It'S the limited hangout limit hang no.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Fang fang no fang fang for yet.

[Natalie Winters]

Okay well we should for treason probably i think everyone there it's probably as commonplace as insider insider trading i also meant to add the same group bringing this lawsuit they also gave fusion gps hundreds of thousands of dollars for their investigations against devin nunes that's right these guys no conspiracies no coincidences all the.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

All the money goes back to these these dark money sources do they not.

[Natalie Winters]

Ma' am i would love to find one actually organically grassroots funded left wing group i've yet to do so okay.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We'Re gonna the viceroy can you stick around just for a couple minutes on the other side the viceroy mike davis is with us we also have ben berkhom ben berkhom's been out in chicago and other places on those raids you saw these bad hombres rolled up right illegal alien invasion being reversed by wait for it a federal judge that michael that mike davis saying hey don't even have the jurisdiction anyway we'll get to that swalwell referred over for a criminal indictment on another real estate transaction turns out i guess he lives in got a house in the district not a house back home in his congressional district mike davis is with his ben berkwam we've got a lot of artificial intelligence financing capital markets all of it today in the war room take your phone out text bannon b a n n o n at nine eight nine eight nine eight get the ultimate guide for investing in gold and precious metals in the age of trump short commercial break birch gold's our sponsor back in a moment let me be blunt gold is up around forty percent this year that's not speculation that's reality and if a portion of your savings isn't diversified into gold you're missing the boat now here's the inflation is still too high the us dollar is still too weak and the government debt is insurmountable that is why central banks are flocking to gold they're the ones driving up the prices now to record highs but it's not too late to buy gold from birch gold group and get in the door now birch gold will help you convert an existing ira or four hundred one k into a tax sheltered ira in gold you don't pay a dime out of pocket just text bannon to nine eight nine eight nine eight and claim your free info kit there's no obligation just useful information the best indicator of the future is the past and gold has historically been a safe haven for a millennia what else can you say text bannon to nine eight nine eight nine eight right now to claim your free info kit on gold that's bannon to nine eight nine eight nine eight protect your future today with birch gold.

[Natalie Winters]

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[Katie]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Of the movement okay welcome back viceroy swalwell referred criminal charges a criminal charge today on on his real estate transactions you've seen this with big tish james you've seen this going around your thoughts about this is this president trump they're accusing president trump of being vindictive of against as swalwell calls his number one enemy i don't know about that but is this being vindictive or is this going through and playing by the rules.

[Mike Davis]

Well i mean i think people like eric swalwell told us that nobody's above the law so if he if he violated federal law with mortgage fraud then he should be held accountable for it but you know we'll see it smells pretty bad right now for eric swalwell and we'll see what the evidence shows in this particular case but you can't lie in your mortgage applications to get a more favorable interest rate if it's not your primary residence this is where.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

They get president trump on the bizarre theory of different interest rates for banks fang fang was twenty fifteen is that still beyond the statute of limitations on his treasonous activity with the chinese honey pot sir well it depends on the.

[Mike Davis]

Crime i mean the general statute of limitations is five years if you've committed a federal felony it could be more if you're dealing with espionage but if there's an ongoing conspiracy if you're if you're covering up your conspiracy that continues the conspiracy so you know if again eric swalwell was pretty adamant that nobody was above the law during four years of biden's law against trump as top aides his allies and his supporters so it sounds like that the same would.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Be true of swalwell speaking of conspiracy and you should know msnbc every day they're keeping a chart so when you get another swalwell they go oh this is like the fifth of president trump's you know enemies that he's going after speaking of conspiracies south florida i know that you can't and we should not and we don't want the details but do you have a sense directionally like.

[Mike Davis]

Where we're headed sir jason redding quinones is a very good friend of mine he is a cuban refugee kid he his family escapes cuba his family escapes politicized and weaponized intelligencies and law enforcement he grew up very very modestly in little havana in miami with extended family in a three bedroom one bathroom apartment after they escaped cuba i i imagine that jason will not have very much tolerance for anyone who politicizes and weaponizes intel agencies and law enforcement to go after their political enemies for non crimes his family escaped that and so he's the perfect person to investigate this criminal conspiracy i know that he has got the court to open a special grand jury or another grand jury in fort pierce starting in january so we'll see.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

What happens mike davis article three where do people go warren posse they're getting itchy for some action where they go.

[Mike Davis]

Sir yeah to the lawfare democrats lawyer up justice is coming nobody's above the law and it's you can go to article three project dot org article number three project dot org donate only what you can afford follow us on social media and as we know the war room posse superpower action action action thank.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

You sir appreciate you thank you ben berkwam you've been in the streets with the ice agents on the raids kicking down the doors you've covered it all your thoughts today as you see a federal judge basically saying we're going to let three hundred of these bad hombres that are here illegally go back and walk the streets of chicago your thoughts sir.

[Ben Berkwam]

Well i just want to say start off by saying where this all originated from this is a settlement agreement a consent agreement between the previous regime under secretary marcus and leftist activist organizations out of chicago that attacked president trump in his first term this was decided this consent agreement was decided in twenty twenty two if my math is right it actually should have already timed out but basically what you have is judicial activist judges working with activist regimes like we had under joe biden they knew they were letting in millions of illegals into our country and then they would pass these things they would grant these activist organizations like the illinois coalition for immigrants refuge and refugee rights and the organized communities against deportation they would basically bend over and give in to their demands to say that we won't arrest illegal aliens unless we have a warrant on additional criminal charges that's what it all comes down to the bottom line is ice is going after everyone and they should go after everyone and part of the reason why they're going into the communities and having to do this is because of the very sanctuary policies that chicago implemented so instead of going into the jails and picking these guys up that have committed crimes that have committed additional crimes on top of being illegal they have to go out into the community and arrest these guys and when they're out in the community arresting these guys they're also picking up additional illegals that's what we're up against and sadly you still have all of these you have organizations like these indivisible i'm right here across from one of the detention centers here in little rock arkansas and every day you've got these leftist activists coming out the same organizations that are trying to obstruct ice in the streets are out here attacking ice for.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Doing their job yeah be careful ben it looks like it's getting rowdy down there so just we got to bounce but i want the audience to know you've been on many of these raids with the ice agents it's dangerous this is why they have to cover up because of the leftist organization trying to dox them and get to their families what's the morale like when you've got the ice guys who are doing these very dangerous raids and now you've got these federal judges about to let people go bad hombres go what's the morale like inside of ice i'll tell you.

[Ben Berkwam]

It'S real simple they love this administration and they hate these judges that's the bottom line these guys want to be able to do their job go after the bad guys and they watch what these judges and these activist organizations are doing and it makes them sick but i've had multiple officers come up to me and say we're finally able to do our job again they love president trump and that's why we have more applications for ice than we've ever had over two hundred thousand applications for people trying to join ice right now two.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Hundred thousand is extraordinary unbelievable the patriotism of these folks and the job they're doing ben social media your show on saturday night and where do we get you in the interim your coordinates.

[Ben Berkwam]

Ben berkwam is my personal ealam voice new episodes of law and border americasvoice news my substack is frontline america and my website frontlineamerica dot com we're going to continue to bring it to you the truth that the mainstream media and the biggest thing is the conspiracy charges against all of these organizations that have been working together to undermine president trump article three project davis does an amazing job with that but it all ties back together all of these guys need to.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Be prosecuted ben berkwam thank you brother yes sir thank you dangerous dangerous out there see the guy yelling in the background i want to go i know we got ao we got so much to go through but i want to talk about first your norm ison mark elias these guys are a problem it's a much bigger problem when we were in the years in the wilderness the right has nothing like this apparatus that the left has this very very constant money machine a cash machine from sources we don't know and they're funding people who are effective we don't like norm ison we don't like mark elias but they're coming up with good suits they're slowing us down because they understand to slow us down is to win because we are burning daylight we only have so much time to do it what do we have to do and what should we be doing because i thought that we were going to try to do this because antifa was designated a foreign terrorist organization today which gives us a lot more flexibility on the financial tools to go to get to arabella to get to soros to get to these funding of i know they're doing potentially doing some terrorist financing we'll get there but for the arabellas and these guys that continue to come up and provide cash for the norm isons and the mark eliases ma' am well let's.

[Natalie Winters]

Link it to what ben was just talking about and i think if you juxtapose the tactics that they used to oppose president trump's first term immigration agenda with what they're doing now you can see how much they've evolved what do i mean by that remember it was mainly the congressional hearings where they were hammering these company ceo's to essentially divest from companies that were working with ice what did ben just say that you have protesters from indivisible that's of course the same group that organized the anti doge anti tesla anti trump all these.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Protests the no kings the no kings.

[Natalie Winters]

The no kings stuff right and they're.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

On msnbc every night i think they're i don't know if they're a couple but it's a man and a woman.

[Natalie Winters]

And they're yeah but it's kinetic right that's the point that's the shift in tactics and if you trace the money on who's funding that stuff we obviously exposed that they were reimbursing a lot of these protesters and these groups it all traces back to the same people i think the trump administration needs to put their best people on actually investigating.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Some task force that goes after this.

[Natalie Winters]

In the same way i'd put it to the eric swalwell thing now we're not saying that he should just be locked up because he had an affair with a chinese spy no i actually want a really meaningful and thorough investigation because i would love to see why the mss targeted him how they targeted him what they extracted out of him because you can reverse engineer how do.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

You get to a sitting congressman why was he targeted the whole thing we want something that's they start at the.

[Natalie Winters]

Local level like we've exposed in the story yesterday about the mayors going over to china the day before president trump meets with china xi and busan so there's a lot of layers to it where i think that it's mischaracterized what we want right as just haphazardly throwing these people in prison we love the rule of law we love transparency let's investigate it you love the rule of law so much by the way can i just add sure on msnbc i usually like it when our enemies are a little bit more intelligent for them to say that it is pure weaponization based off of the fact that they're going after president trump's political enemies i'm sorry i think you the fact that they what joe biden literally went after president trump.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Had a prison i'm so.

[Natalie Winters]

Glad we can agree weaponization is happening based off the people you're going after.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Do you think enough enough time and effort we get about a minute enough time and effort are focused on the railhead of money particularly the way these the money flows through here because they.

[Natalie Winters]

Have the act blue investigation well this.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Is why what i'm asking i mean it's it's i think doji results not.

[Natalie Winters]

Edgy memes or edgy press releases so.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Claire]

Quick recap of what is that timeline so for the us agency for international development just to put it into scope and scale it has been around for more than sixty years it has had bipartisan support strong bipartisan support it has had earmarks in every budget so this was a well established agency of some ten to fourteen thousand staff forty billion dollars procurement every year we had all read project twenty twenty five we were somewhat prepared for this administration and in other ways not prepared at all so ahead of the inauguration some groups such as our office of transition initiatives which works specifically in countries and places that are transitioning from perhaps authoritarian governments or wartime into more peaceful and structured hopefully democratic governments oti has been a major player so they pre organized because as danielle said they had organized during the previous trump administration to respond to the threats to our us democracy also terribly organized that i'm proud about is our gender and sexual minorities employee resource group we are a cautious community and well prepared for we saw the writing on the wall and the attacks that were already happening during the election cycle and so we had already moved our group away from the usaid main systems into signal chats to protect our community there january twentieth happens inauguration international side certainly.

[Natalie Winters]

Our usaid community has very close relationships.

[Claire]

With locals across the entire world and.

[Natalie Winters]

Have worked globally on global trends global authoritarianism this movement right now we're very much framing it as an anti authoritarian movement in the us but depending you know the authoritarians are networked globally and this has our movement our very movement that we're talking about right now has the potential to ultimately be a global anti authoritarian movement given our networks the foment of the current constitutional crisis is our opportunity to catalyze and synergize a dynamic change making a dynamic change making fractal ecosystems capable of co generating the.

[Claire]

Emergence of the new thriving based socio.

[Natalie Winters]

Political economic governance systems that is a.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Long sentence i can listen to that all day i can take that where did you get that that's like one of the best clips we've had in.

[Natalie Winters]

A while well i think we have to clarify here in the war room we are very very very against the sociopolitical economic governance systems that they are plotting on these secret phone call email zoom sessions that they've been hosting we actually discussed this it's like a witch's coven that's being charitable it's much worse if you remember back in tampa actually at one of the turning point events there that was when the notice story broke which talked about how a lot of these usaid officials were gathering to sort of plot and plan their opposition.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Basically so this is the one we talked about notice did back in july.

[Natalie Winters]

Where they were trying to co opt people who were still working there to get them all on their team they were passing around a cia pamphlet called simple sabotage and one of the quotes that they gave to notice i remember i sent it to you and you were like this has to be fake they were literally saying you only like it was very cryptic they're like you only just fired a bunch of people who are experts in launching color revolutions now what are we gonna do to the united states i'm like hold up i thought usaid was about charity and soft power thanks for yet again admitting that the war room was right but that is the video portion of basically what we were talking about a while ago and you can hear them talking about how they were setting up these you know encrypted group chats talking about it but the real crux of it as i think i want people to.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Know this is on us taxpayer money.

[Natalie Winters]

These are people who your tax dollars used to pay the salaries of unbelievable openly admitting to using that time to sabotage and then once they get fired or axed from the job actively sabotaging the president and trying to coerce employees who are still there to join them.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We were not ready for this administration that's their word because president trump blew.

[Natalie Winters]

Them out so quickly exactly but i think the other important thing and it goes back to what you were talking about the fto designation of antifa is that they're talking about how they're working with their international colleagues right they're talking how they're working on this global anti authoritarianism movement and what have we always honed in on here in the war room it's language and what have we always said it's authoritarian and autocrat and why do they use that it's the gateway drug into opening the pandora's box of the color revolution tactics that the normizens of the world have been drafting and you see that to the point where brookings institution's democracy playbook it was originally drafted for use abroad and then they do the twenty twenty five edition just days before president trump is sworn in talking about how they're going to use these tactics here and now who is it that's using lawfare i guess they can't impeach him because they don't have the house just wait they're going to do that but they're doing everything that they can using these outside of the system kind of tactics and that's exactly what they're talking about explain to.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The audience how you can have republicans because the funding of usaid is still a thing i mean it's still an you know it's still a thing you still have certain members of the republican party including you know i'm not blaming marco but they're all saying we want to shift it over to the state department right this is what they're trying to do to have the state department oversee it because of so many good things it does in foreign countries this is a joke right well because they're.

[Natalie Winters]

Not republicans i guess they're neocons you can debate over what really a republican is but look i i always approach this idea that usaid has some inherent value to it seed the ground that it does say soft power is important you cannot tell me that if you actually have an analysis of what usaid has done over the years to advance american soft power abroad that it does anything remotely close to what the chinese communist party has done with regards to belt and road right instead of giving infrastructure and ports and data centers and all that we've been giving really weird woke cultural programming and by way the.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Way they have elite capture they have predatory capitalism eric swalwell what do we have we got nothing but i also.

[Natalie Winters]

Think the point too is that in the midst of the entire news cycle right of usaid being attacked and collapsed all the ways they framed it they could have had so many people go on cable news they could have had so many case studies of how effective the work that they were doing was and okay sure did they find a couple trump haters to go on there go on sixty minutes i think we uncovered one of them as being a a democrat donor or something like that but i never really saw any wonderful stories like oh the poor children it's.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Like there's nothing exactly that's what i.

[Natalie Winters]

Mean like make the case they can't.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Weak this color revolution continues to be a big problem it's not being fed it's just like arabella it's not taken seriously it's not taken seriously enough to actually shut it down because you see it rear its head and this is why i keep saying and at that july turning point that's when i made this you know the three parts you know the tampa resolves you have to go after the deep state and this is part of it this is one of their funding mechanisms your substack's gotten to be amazing because of the investigative reporting you've got something on substack with our favorite topic the chinese communist party in technology and maybe some greedy americans in the background what do you got.

[Natalie Winters]

Well let's call it maybe rendition number two of the piece we were talking about just a few days ago having to do with us tax dollars flowing to china's kind of premier rare earth.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Laboratory that thing has still got me upset i've actually made some calls well trigger warning no no i made some calls because i said how can we possibly be doing this they're using the rare earths against us and we're actually funding the rare earth institute studies but.

[Natalie Winters]

That fits perfectly in chinese military code right strangling you with your own systems subduing the enemy with what we have going on here winning the war without firing a shot right that's what they did and it's this always goes back to the four year interregnum between both trump terms where they shored up all the shortages that they viewed that they had from phase one of negotiations so i guess we've got to really square.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The verse was the lighthizer when they realized they were about to sign up for a deal that would put them in and so they tore it up in our faces said nothing then we got the skinny deal and they launched covid the pandemic and they never effectuated anything in the skinny deal but they learned that lesson in those four years under biden they were going to make it trump proof when it came back they were going to make it china.

[Natalie Winters]

Hawk proof you can see they consolidated basically all their state owned rare earth and magnet companies into one the china rare earth group in twenty twenty one and they rolled hard and it wasn't just within the borders of china it was everywhere and they were very successful so that's the usaid what is usaid doing for rare earth it's an absolute clown show but the latest example it's actually even worse in terms of who's involved and how far reaching it is we have actually been funding the state key laboratory for semiconductors too with funds coming not just from the department of energy and the national science foundation also the navy the army darpa and the national institutes of health so we're in.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

What is called a chip war right how can we we're talking about the defense of taiwan do we defend it to south china sea we're trying to move the plants over here to arizona as quickly as possible we realize it's going to be ten years or fifteen years or twenty years how at the same time can there be a think tank or research area that they basically control to essentially help them and that we have various institutions of the united states government particularly ones in national security.

[Natalie Winters]

The army how does this happen the army is funding the tip of the.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Spear of china semiconductor is it subversion or is it just a system is so globalist they're such globalists and they see them as a pure competitor and not as an existential threat is that the reason both on the rare earths and here in the semiconductor that the rational argument you can make is that people in here they're like fauci in the wuhan lab the research that nih was doing or is it something darker.

[Natalie Winters]

Well i think china views it accurately like a thucydides trap a sort of athens sparta esque replacement power volume and dynamic and they see that and they view us as the power that they will replace i think the science but how do we the scientists here don't view it like that that's what i'm.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Saying in the decline you know fauci would nevertheless near wuhan because science was such a high temple it was bigger than china than the united states is that the problem here with the rare earths and it's just why are these people continuing to do it and hey no offense pete hegseth and russ vogt love you guys but why is this not broomed why would you just do an nd aa at one point two trillion dollars and this is not the first thing you rip out of it.

[Natalie Winters]

Well i think it goes back to all the reporting that i've done that we focused on this show it is elite merger right it's the idea of managed decline but i mean if they're going after these low level mayors they're going all the way up to the top we obviously saw that with joe biden but i think that the difference and i think you even sort of see it reflected in the maga ethos right now the chinese communist party understands the inflection point of history in the time we're at i don't think our leaders have ever really understood that because.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Hang on give me that again the.

[Natalie Winters]

Chinese communist party it's not just the typical critique of that they think in decades we think in you know four year terms or whatever they view the arc of history right they understand that rare earths is sort of unrestricted warfare approach empirically is how they will overtake the united states they learned from us what happened in the graveyard of empires afghanistan right they don't want to have to fire a shot no if they.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Have to fight foreign devils kinetic warfare they think that's a loss just to begin with right they are going to do this either psychological warfare economic warfare political warfare the whole and they're doing it technology warfare communications warfare and so you're saying that that is their strategy and they just view the west as too weak right to step up to it and you got to admit when you see these types of things we're funding whether it's wuhan lab whether it's the rare earths research institute are here on semiconductors all three of those are primary major they look at it as weapons of war right we look at it as a way to have a group share with these guys it's just a total difference in mentality they are.

[Natalie Winters]

And even is the emp stuff right the undersea cable cutters what happens when indo pacom is removed doesn't have access to the mainland right there's guam think about everything that they're doing over there right it's altogether and i think the maga connection point i was trying to make in the same way that our audience is sitting here frustrated that maybe they're not taking on the deep state as forcibly as they should be there's also just a lack of understanding that the chinese communist party is our most existential threat that they should be engaged with as such and in trump won we saw a lot of movement against these sort of united front almost like the human stuff right like the actual targeting people with people like fang fang a lot of these groups are actually sanctioned they were said no more you're notif you go there like you're cut off and these groups have been kind of welcomed with open arms is that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The tech bros is that the boligarchs and the corporatists that just have much more say so in the second term and they're the ones that they want.

[Natalie Winters]

Market access but it's that they have no principles they don't care they're not.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Actually maga we're going to talk in a moment about our favorite topic artificial intelligence and that's going to lead in joe joe allen's going to be here at six talk about genetic engineering one of our favorite topics here about the singularity short commercial break birchgold dot com end of the dollar empire find out why the chinese communist party central banks buying gold at record rates and why they are trying to organize the brics nations to destroy the us dollar check it all out back in a moment you know i didn't know this until the the guys at field of greens the doctors and the experts told me about it and then gave me information it was fascinating we have two ages our actual age and our body's internal biological age additionally what i didn't know is i've likely lowered my biological age without even knowing it here's the thing because americans eat so many processed and ultra processed foods and not enough fruits and vegetables many perhaps most are ten years older on the inside than their actual age they're ticking time bombs a major university study suggests how to slow aging and diffuse that biological time bomb participants slowed their aging by drinking field of greens that's all they didn't change their eating drinking or exercise just field of greens i feel great knowing field of greens can slow how quickly i'm aging and i encourage you to join me swap your untested fruit vegetable or green drink for field of greens while there's time check out the university study i want you all to read it and get twenty percent off when you use promo code bannon at fieldofgreens dot com that's fieldofgreens dot com promo code bannon read the university study find out how you can slow down your internal biological clock by using this amazing formula which you just add to your favorite drink art of water what you do at the worm every day and in addition you will get an energy boost that's fieldofgreens dot com promo code bannon you get twenty percent off do it today your host stephen k bannock okay welcome we're gonna do this a little differently i got a i got a very special out mike you're up right now brother sell me a pillow and sell me some towels sheets what do you got.

[Mike Lindell]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Most powerful promo code in the business mypilla dot com promo code warren mike lindell thank you brother we'll see you tomorrow morning during the ten o' clock or eleven o' clock hour how about that so on zero hedge they had first off this story that zero hedge finally put pen to paper five trillion dollars ai has to be financed for the data centers in the energy whether it's nuclear power plants or and they don't care right now here's the catch of the five trillion dollars right now in a back of envelope natalie a trillion dollars is going to have to come from us taxpayers that's why the openai cfo said the other day well you know we're going to have a kind of a you know ecosystem and us taxpayers are going to be in the middle of that is this the biggest populist nationalists versus the tech bros fight that's coming right on the horizon they keep all the upside in ai and the grundoons are going to have they're going to socialize the risk and the grundoons are going to pay for.

[Natalie Winters]

It well and six hundred fifty billion annual revenue i think that's what they have to have in order to make it all work of course i think this is really the real reason why so many of these people have pretended to be maga right they want us to continue to underwrite you think it's the suckers play is it ever not.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

God you're so cynical i know i'm more jaded you weren't like this when.

[Natalie Winters]

You went to prison and i grew.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Up so next man up i guess doing the show for four months will make you cynical when is this when is this going to pop as like a major because it's going to be a huge fight on our side when do you think that happens i mean.

[Natalie Winters]

I think you're already seeing it happen right now that's why all these people are cozying up to him right that's why you're seeing the dinners that's why people are shelling out for the ballroom it's why you know this crypto weird thing is happening it's not altruism it's not even effective altruism though it's probably.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Some weird combination it's not abundance they try to what is it klein klein tried to sell that to the left it's not the age of abundance remember.

[Natalie Winters]

They'Re never forthright with it until they're caught that preventative story right they only put the website up after they're reached out to for comment they're only now trying to euphemize the spin of bringing public dollars in because they know that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

They'Re already there this is huge can we play the clip and i'll jump in let's go and play the clip this from stephanie rule the wall street journal two huge stories of the journal last week number one was how artificial intelligence oh by the way two of the frontier companies may have reached human knowledge capacity which is kind of a small thing right and also one of the most disturbing stories behind the scenes openai ceo sam altman and was it armstrong over at coinbase creating a genetically engineered human a baby to kind of drop onto the world this was stephanie ruhl did a great job the other night let's play it before we roll.

[Natalie Winters]

Into joe allen sam altman's family office and coinbase co founder brian armstrong are backing this company preventive which as you mentioned is conducting preclinical research to attempt to create a baby from a genetically engineered embryo to prevent a hereditary disease behind the scenes the company has told people that a couple had already been identified who was interested in participating in.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The research okay you also report on a plan that is meant to quote.

Shock the world into acceptance on this.

[Natalie Winters]

What can you tell us brian armstrong the coinbase co founder floated a plan to produce this baby in secret a spokesperson for armstrong that's like a horror movie i will say a spokesperson for armstrong told us that he floated that plan only in order to point out what a bad idea it was and he would never suggest that preventive operate.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

In that way okay this is offensive i mean the guy they set up to do in secret a genetically engineered from a test tube a complete baby a human being and just drop it on the world to shock the world into acceptance this is how these guys think this is why they're dangerous this is why we have to have regulation you're going to have to have it or we're going to go down a very dark path on ai and genetic engineering and i might add claire's going to be here tomorrow with her report you're going to see at maha yesterday the whole day was genetic it was crispr it was genome sequencing they already are trying to co opt the make america healthy again movement well and to.

[Natalie Winters]

That point i'm just curious who has a seat at the table at the white house right now in terms of the discussions about what the path forward ahead looks like on this because from the people that i've seen appointed the david sacks of the world i don't know i don't know if warren posse got got a seat at that table.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

No and listen i will tell you about i'll tell you this about those guys not in the room not in the deal okay even if you're in.

[Natalie Winters]

The room you're not in the deal.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Possibly at the head natalie your coordinates.

[Natalie Winters]

Where do people go natalie g winters on all platforms and nataliejewinters stuff substack dot com always an honor to sit.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

In with the investigations are unbelievable and i will tell you when a young woman like yourself knows more than the people supposed to top these programs because they give them the research to go oh my god that tells you all you need to know okay joe allen's next the heritage foundation we got the heritage organization here with their their the people that focus on genetic engineering you do not want to miss this in the war room and i will be back here at ten am eastern standard time tomorrow morning see you then sam what if he had the brightest mind in the war room delivering critical financial research every month steve bannon here war room listeners know jim rickards i love this guy he's our wise man a former cia pentagon and white house advisor with an unmatched grasp of geopolitics and capital markets jim predicted trump's electoral college victory exactly three hundred and twelve to two hundred and twenty six down to the actual number itself now he's issuing a dire warning about april eleventh a moment that could define trump's presidency and your financial future his latest book moneygpt exposes how ai is setting the stage for financial chaos bank runs at lightning speeds algorithm driven crashes and even threats to national security right now war room members get a free copy of moneygpt when they sign up for strategic intelligence this is jim's flagship financial newsletter strategic intelligence i read it you should read it time is running out go to rickardswarroom dot com that's all one word rickards war room rickards with an s go now and claim your free book that's rickards war room dot com do it today.