Bannon’s War Room: Episode 4940

Dems Call For Rebellion In Military; Remaking America The Industrial Superpower
Date: November 20, 2025
Host: Steve Bannon
Key Guests: Mark Kelly, Rosemary Jenks, Laura Ingraham, Viceroy Pam Cash, Economic Analyst (Joe Lavanier), others

Episode Overview

This episode centers on a contentious video featuring Democratic lawmakers and former military/intel officers encouraging military and intelligence community members to defy potentially unlawful orders. The War Room panel reacts with alarm, framing the video as incitement to insurrection, and explores the dangers they believe it poses to constitutional order. The second major theme transitions into economic policy, positive jobs data, Trump-era industrial policy, and the ongoing legislative fights around artificial intelligence (AI) regulation and immigration reform. Regular guests offer fierce critiques of Democrats, federal judges, and “big tech oligarchs,” all reinforcing the episode’s urgent, combative tone.

Key Discussion Points

1. Democrats’ Video Urging Military to Defy Orders

Segment Timestamps: 00:00–08:00

• Democratic lawmakers and ex-intel/military officers (including Mark Kelly and others) issue a video directly addressing military and intelligence community members, encouraging them to "refuse illegal orders."
• Bannon & Panel Reaction:
  • Alarm at the messaging, interpreting it as an unprecedented, dangerous call for insubordination.
  • Terms used: "Insurrection," "sedition," and “rebellion” are repeatedly invoked.
  • Comparison to history: Panelists argue that past Presidents (Lincoln, FDR, Washington) would not have tolerated such calls for civil disobedience in the ranks.
• Laura Ingraham (01:22):
  • "I felt like I was watching a propaganda video by one of our enemies trying to recruit the military to become spies... what is the value... except to encourage members of our intelligence community to defy a direct command from their superior?"
  • Calls for investigation of the lawmakers involved.
• Mark Kelly (01:56):
  • "It is insurrection, plainly, directly, without question... These lawmakers should honestly resign in disgrace and never return to public office again for even daring to say these words."
• Steve Bannon:
  • (03:06) "If you can't name the unlawful orders... you look extremely foolish."
  • (05:30) "This is the primal scream of a dying regime... Christians, I got a free shot... The people have had a belly full of it."
• Theme:
  • The War Room frames the Democrats' video not as a good-faith warning about unlawful orders, but as an overt attempt to incite rebellion, especially dangerous in a period of military deployments (Venezuela, Ukraine, Gaza).

2. Executive Authority & Supreme Court Successes

Timestamps: 08:00–12:30

• Steve Bannon & Viceroy Pam Cash discuss Trump’s recent record before the Supreme Court:
  • "President Trump has won like 21 out of 23 cases at the Supreme Court's emergency docket this year alone. That's a 91% success rate." (Viceroy Pam Cash, 08:17)
• Argument:
  • Success in the courts demonstrates strength of the President’s Article II (chief executive/commander-in-chief) powers.
  • Bannon: “He can fire anybody he wants, including the Alphabet agencies... As commander in chief, emergency powers, he's called this, you know, an invasion of the country.”
  • Suggests that judicial defeats for Democrats have provoked their extrajudicial appeal to the military and CIA.

3. Hypotheticals, Precedents & Historical Parallels

Timestamps: 12:30–14:20

• Discussion of the dangers of expecting non-lawyers in military and intel to independently judge orders’ lawfulness.
• Obama-era example: “President Obama ordered an extra judicial drone strike and killing of American citizens... what if CIA officers said no, we're not going to do that?” (Pam Cash, 11:44)
• Risk:
  • Creating subjective legal standards among junior officers is seen as an existential threat to national order and military efficacy.
• Historical parallel:
  • Bannon: “If this had happened under FDR... under Lincoln... they’d be rolled up today.”

4. Reaction to Trump’s Statement Calling for Arrests

Timestamps: 16:35–18:46

• Trump posts: “seditious behavior... all caps at the highest level. Each one of these traitors should be arrested and put on trial.”
• Panelist consensus:
  • Immediate and harsh consequences are necessary to maintain order.
  • Pam Cash: “You better follow every order of the President of the United States. The doubt should be in favor of following the order. Because if you don’t, you’re going to end up in the military brig or worse.”
• Cites Obama drone strike as precedent, arguing for deference to executive authority.

5. Judicial Overreach & Boasberg Impeachment Campaign

Timestamps: 21:07–27:36

• Extended critique of Judge Jeb Boasberg — presented as a “Democrat partisan actor” enabling lawfare against Trump, interfering in military operations, overruling magistrates, and allowing surveillance against U.S. Senators.
• Call to action:
  • Pam Cash: “He must be impeached by the House of Representatives.” (23:19)
• Specifics cited:
  • Interfering in deportation flights.
  • Releasing an alleged would-be assassin of Trump.
  • Allowing DOJ spying on Senators.

6. American Economic State & Industrial Policy

Timestamps: 28:57–35:30

• Key Jobs Report Data:
  • Nonfarm payrolls up 119,000.
  • Unemployment ticked up from 4.3% to 4.4%.
  • Labor force participation up to 62.4%.
  • Average hourly earnings up 2/10ths.
• Economic Analyst (31:05):
  • “The economy is holding in exclusively and entirely because of President Trump’s policies.”
  • “An incipient cap capex boom because of the one big beautiful bill that the President and his foresight needed to push through early...”
• Themes:
  • U.S. economic rebound attributed to supply-side tax cuts, regulatory reform, and “America as industrial superpower” agenda.
  • Concerns over Federal Reserve policy (“Too Late Powell”) and calls for lower rates to fuel further expansion.
• Bannon: “It’s all about execution. This is to remake America, a manufacturing superpower.” (34:29)

7. Artificial Intelligence Regulation & Big Tech Critique

Timestamps: 36:23–44:48

• Pam Cash recounts how “baby tech” platforms got legal shields (Section 230), leading to today’s tech oligarchs (Google, Amazon, Facebook, Apple).
• Obama accused of creating the “oligarchy” by protecting these companies from antitrust.
• Current concern:
  • AI “amnesty”: National AI policy proposals viewed as tools for big tech to evade accountability (“pedo bears” example cited as products states couldn’t ban with amnesty).
  • Ted Cruz criticized for AI legislation seeking “broad amnesty.”
• Call to Action:
  • “Go to article3project.org and take action... contact both of your home state senators and US House Rep and say hell no to AI oligarchs amnesty.” (Pam Cash, 41:33)
• “These tech bros are trying to cozy up to President Trump... but these are not our friends... they censored, silenced, de-platformed and canceled the President...” (Pam Cash, 39:21)
• “We need to do AI the American way. I know these big tech platforms are very Chinese focused, but we're going to have to do it the American way and we can get it done.” (Pam Cash, 45:34)

8. Immigration, Visas, and the PAUSE Act

Timestamps: 48:15–51:43

• Rosemary Jenks praises Trump-era gains in American jobs, but stresses the need for even stronger action.
  • “We need to stop these visa holders from coming in and taking American jobs... If we don't get Americans to work... we're going to lose.” (Rosemary Jenks, 48:15)
• Discusses Chip Roy’s forthcoming PAUSE Act:
  • “What Chip Roy wants, and many of us want, is to actually pause all immigration for a couple of years until we get all of these programs... until people really understand what's going on.” (Bannon, 49:47)
• Jenks: “All of these visa programs are being abused. We need to tear down the entire system until we can rebuild it so that it serves Americans’ interests and eliminates fraud.” (50:32)
• Action:
  • Go to IAPAction.com to find congressional rankings and take action supporting immigration pause measures.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Steve Bannon (03:06):
  “If you have to have, you know, a joint statement video like this and its messaging is so bad that people... have to call your office to ask, what are you even talking about? You look extremely foolish.”
• Laura Ingraham (01:22):
  “I felt like I was watching a propaganda video by one of our enemies trying to recruit the military to become spies.”
• Mark Kelly (01:56):
  “It is insurrection. Plainly, directly, without question... These lawmakers should honestly resign in disgrace and never return to public office again for even daring to think, let alone to say these words and to say them proudly.”
• Viceroy Pam Cash (08:17):
  “President Trump has won like 21 out of 23 cases at the Supreme Court's emergency docket this year alone. That's a 91% success rate... How do these Democrat politicians in Congress expect non-lawyer CIA officers and non-lawyer military frontline soldiers to get the law right?”
• Pam Cash (17:26):
  “With the President of the United States with his broad Article 2 executive power... I would say to military and intel officials, you better follow every order of the President of the United States. And if you have any doubt, the doubt should be in favor of following the order. Because if you don't, you're going to end up in the military brig or worse.”
• Economic Analyst (31:05):
  “The economy is holding in exclusively and entirely because of President Trump's policies... We've got a substantial middle and lower income tax cut coming early next year through the no tax on tips and overtime.”
• Pam Cash (41:33):
  “Go to article3project.org and take action... contact both of your home state senators and U.S. house Representative and say hell no, we're not going to give these AI oligarchs amnesty.”
• Rosemary Jenks (50:32):
  “We need to tear down the entire [visa] system until we can rebuild it so that it serves Americans’ interests and eliminates fraud. And that is exactly what the PAUSE act would do.”

Action Points & Calls for Audience Involvement

• Impeachment Campaign: Urged impeachment proceedings against Judge Jeb Boasberg.
• AI Legislation: Repeatedly told War Room audience to pressure Congress against AI “amnesty” for tech giants.
• Support for PAUSE Act: Directed listeners to IAPAction.com to support pausing all immigration via new legislation.

Episode Tone & Energy

Highly combative, urgent, and populist.

• Frequent historical parallels to past military crises.
• Alex Jones-style "take action now" calls are frequent.
• Repeated emphasis that "the people" must fight back against overreaching Democrats, judges, and big tech.

For more resources, listeners are directed to:

• article3project.org (judicial campaigns & AI advocacy)
• iapaction.com (immigration action and congressional rankings)