
Episode 4941: Big Tech Selling Out America To China; CDC Finally Tells The Truth ...
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I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen k. Banner. Thursday, 20th November, year of Lord 2025. It's an action day. Just heard the viceroy. You heard Rosemary Jinx. When everybody article three over. Also at Bill Blaster with Grace and the team, Today's day of action. You know what you got to do? You got scripts. Take the script, make the call. Text message, email. It's over. Hey, we got to do it. We did it back in July when they tried to slide into the memory in the middle of the night. It's always the same with these guys. It's always the same thing. They never want to have a debate. They never want to get up on a stage, say, hey, here's what. You never want to come into the Senate or have the common decency to come and explain to you what they're trying to do. There are more regulations to open a nail salon. If you want to braid hair on Capitol hill, you got 10 times more regulations than if you're at one of the frontier labs of artificial intelligence. And they don't want any control. And no, that's just not correct. I'm going to talk about the financing later because it says 5 trillion. A trillion dollars has to come from you. Full faith and credit of the American people. That would be you. I am told by people that have done the math for me that no, actually that's going to be closer to 10 trillion for the data center and the energy buildouts. So they're going to put in four, you're going to put in six. So I'm calling for, hey, that's not a problem. As long as the American citizens, individual citizens, get a warrant package, a package of equity that absolutely kicks in over time. Vest over time, but that we own up to 50% of these companies. Yes, yes, yes. Artificial intelligence. If it's going to be a whole of government and a whole society move, then you got to include society, including people called American citizens. It's. You get this, this, this, this. The lords of easy money and the corporatists and the tech oligarchs have had a run of this place for too long. So now let's talk. Hey, you want that? You want the, you want the government guarantees? You want the loan guarantees? You want all of that? Because you're going to come back and ask for it. This is. Get in front of it. Oren Cass, a populist economist and also the founder of Compass. And you got to go to the site, read the magazine, the articles, the game part of. And I keep saying, you know, we're told this is a Sputnik moment. Oren, we're told that we have to do this because the evil Chinese Communist Party, of which we're the tip of the spear of their evilness and they've. Lao Baijing has to overthrow them and we're there to support them. That this is like the race for the hydrogen bomb. This is the Cold war. This is happening. Yet we have, you know, Jensen Wong. He's an. Let me say who Jensen is. Look, he's a genius. They got the advanced chips. I got that. But he's an arms dealer. He's an arms dealer and he'll deal those arms to anybody. He's out there blatant. We've played the clips all the time. We don't, you know, Chinese companies can get him. It doesn't matter who wins. AI. He's an arms dealer and as an arms merchant, he'll sell to anybody. He's. He's Khashoggian.
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He's Khashoggian. Your thoughts on the gain? We have a Jim Banks, one of the few populists in the Senate, has put forward the GAIN Act. Walk us through it and why there's now all this pressure not to pass this, to make sure that we limit and restrict the Chinese Communist Party from what they can get. Sir.
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Yeah, it's great to see you, Steve. I think, you know that there are days when the good guys in the Trump administration are doing great stuff. And there, there are days when the bad guys in the Trump administration. Administration are doing really bad stuff. And unfortunately, this is a pretty bad day. You know, you mentioned some of the AI regulation stuff we can get into on, on gain AI. There's, there's a very simple issue here which is, you know, we keep hearing, look, it's, you know, Jensen himself goes in every earnings Call, he says we are all sold out of chips, and yet he wants to sell more chips to China and gain AI act. As you said, Senator Banks has been a real leader on this. It's got two very basic things. Number one, it says, look, if a US Company wants the chips, you can't sell them to China. So right of first refusal for American companies, the most America first policy possible. And number two, some of our best companies, the companies that are actually building this stuff out, like Microsoft and Google and Amazon that are building in the US that want to go build in allied countries, in countries that are our friends, let's make sure they're the ones that are able to go build in other places too, rather than having to sell these chips to two companies controlled by other countries. So, you know, the companies that are building the AI stuff, they support this. Obviously, any American who would, who would like to see Americans and not Chinese companies get these chips should support this. It has a lot of support in the Senate, has a lot of support in the House. And then the White House comes out today and says, no, we're opposed, don't do it. And to your point a minute ago, they don't even give you an explanation. They don't have an argument for it. It's just the wrong guys in the administration who are in bed with, like you said, kind of the arms dealers who are saying we care more about being able to sell chips to China than we care about what happens to the United States.
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No, it's absolutely bizarre. Walk me through. Because this is the argument, the argument that we'll get to the AI side. The reason that we can't have any regulation. You got to be totally. If you're not totally accelerationist, you're a Luddite, right? There's nothing in between. They say, because the Chinese, we're in an arms race. It's like the 1950s and 60s with the Russians. That the same type of thing with the nuclear weapons or an arms race that we must defeat them, they never catch up. Yet we're following them. The capital, the training, the expertise, and most importantly, the chips. So, so how can their argument even stand up? When you talk to the. When you flip to the AI side when you know they're beating back on this GAIN act, which is pretty basic. American, American companies first and Americans first and no Chinese Communist Party unless. Absolutely right. First of no. No top chips. And even the other chips, you don't get it. Unless all American companies have their, you know, have filled their orders. And we know from Jensen's earning call yesterday. I think he's got a half a trillion dollars of backlog sales. Right. So this is not going to work itself out for a couple of years. Oren.
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Yeah, well, you know, like you said, it's so fascinating to watch these guys talk because they'll just say anything, right? So, so Jensen will go out and he'll say, we're sold out. And then he'll say, no, no, but we need to sell to China. He'll say China is, you know, about, they're within nanoseconds of beating us in this race. He says he thinks they're going to win the race. He says he doesn't think it matters who wins the race. And then he says, but it's really important that we be able to sell some of our best chips to the Chinese. And you're just sort of scratching your head and, you know, wishing it would make sense. The closest thing I've heard to an argument for why we should be selling chips to China is that we're somehow going to get them hooked on our technology. And it's frankly, it's embarrassing to hear this argument. I mean, it is the same argument that companies have been making for 30 years now. Let's get into China. We're going to win in China. It's going to be great. And every single time the same thing happens. The Chinese take the technology and then they push the American firms out. Right? Xi Jinping is not going to let Nvidia or any American company be at the heart of Chinese technology. And so it's almost like, you know, it's like Charlie Brown with the football. We've just got these companies that are, they just want to get that profit up next quarter, next year. And they keep doing it because for them it's not about the national interest. And that's why we actually need public policy. That's why we need to have leaders who are willing to say we get that you're just trying to make a profit. That's fine, that's your job. And that's, and that's, and that's why we're not going to listen to you.
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This goes back to like May of 19, when they tore up the Lighthizer Navarro deal they had negotiated for President Trump over two years with Lee. He tore it up, which would have integrated them into the world economy. Taking of all the problems that they visited on the world economy and workers with state owned industries and excess capacity and driving down wages. They then did a, simultaneously they did a decoupling move. They said we do not want to be captured on just western technology. This is the rise of Huawei. You also had TikTok, all of it. So we've seen this before and you're right, the argument doesn't hold water. Let's pivot now. We're all over this AI because of the amnesty and the way it's being done. We beat this in the middle of the night. Cruz put it up over the big beautiful bill. People worked all night. You know, the great senator from Tennessee and Hawley and others fought this thing back 99 to 1. We won. Now and I warn people the time they need a 9,000 page bill just to slide it into the middle like they did the electoral Count act of 1887 when they can't debate it and they can't get votes, they've done it again. So Orem, what is your, what is your thoughts about this amnesty, sir?
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Well, I think the big problem is, is again, I guess I'm repeating myself just how disingenuous it is. Right. I think it's perfectly reasonable to say, look, there are things that we should be have one regulation for the country. You know, these labs are working all over the country. We don't want California to be deciding all the rules. And so I think it's perfectly fine, say, look, in the way that we protect kids, in the way that we protect copyright, whatever it might be, we're going to have a federal rule. And when we have the federal rule that is going to override what states can do. The problem is they're, they're not doing that. They're just saying we are going to overrule states doing anything even though we, even though we have nothing else. Right. We just either we don't want any regulation at all or we just haven't put the time and work into deciding what it should be. And so the result is it's just going to be sort of open season. And so, you know, I think like you said, there are some folks in the Senate doing really good work on this. Senator Hawley has a very good bill that would actually protect kids. And I think the federal government doing that, that would be fine. And when it does, that should override what the states do. But now we've got, it's not even legislation at this point. Like you said, the legislation went down 99 to 1 and now we've got folks in the White House just saying, well then we'll just do an executive order and it's, you know, the version that has come out is it's so poorly done. And it just, you know, frankly, it would give an enormous amount of authority to one man, David Sachs, who is not even a full time government official. He's still part of the tech industry. To tell everybody, you have to let these companies do whatever they want. And that is just not how our government should function. Let's have a debate, let's decide what the rules should be, but let's not just override it and ignore what people want, ignore what Congress has said.
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You actually set up Compass and you kind of, I'm not saying change the direction of your career, but you said, hey, I'm going to focus on populist economics and economic nationalism. Chip Roy, we're Talking about the PAUSE Act, H1B visas. We just had Rosemary Jenks on. We put up the analysis that President Trump under. Since January 1st 2.57 million American citizens have gotten jobs and over a million foreign born have left. Where do you think we are in all this? Because I think people look to you as one of the leading economists in Compass as really having a major voice here. Where do you think we stand with this whole thing of the visa programs? Because Chippewa is kind of asking for something that we support, just a moratorium on the whole thing for a couple of years. We got to get into all these visa programs, have smart people like you and others get into them and kind of figure this thing out. So where do you stand on that part of it?
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Yeah. You know, at American Compass, we're watching what we sort of see. It feels kind of like a split screen. I mean, there are some things that have been really good that have really put things on the right course. You know, like you said, immigration enforcement, securing the border, making sure jobs are available to American workers, making sure that companies are offering good jobs. That's hugely important. You know, changing our trade policy, saying we're not going to be taken advantage of. We need deals with these countries that, that are good for producing in America. That's hugely important. But then you also have days and weeks when you look at, you know, what's the administration talking about, where's the focus? And it feels like it's in the wrong place. It's, we got to do, you know, we need to do more temporary visas. We need to bring in hundreds of thousands of Chinese students. We need to, as we're talking about this week, let Jensen Huang sell chips to China. We let the AI companies have, have no regulation at all. And so I think, you know, my, my concern at this point is that we're not getting a consistent message and focus out of the White House on, on making things better for American workers. If, if I were an American worker looking at what the White House has been talking about the last couple of weeks, I, I would feel like I, I'm, I was nowhere on people's minds at all. And so the good stuff is really good. But it is a mixed bag at this point. And I do worry if we don't keep the focus in the right place, we're going to lose a lot of the momentum and we're not going to have a consistent understanding of this in this country, of the real changes we need to make in our economy, what it's going to take to do that and what the benefits will be in the long run.
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Thank you. All our work is@American Compass.org our magazine is called Commonplace. Commonplace.org you can subscribe there. We put out a bunch of stuff every week. And I am on X at Orencast brother.
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Sign up for free and be part of the movement. Okay, we're going to pivot here slightly at Texas. What happened in Texas with Governor Abbott the other day declaring the Muslim Brotherhood in CARE terrorist organizations and restricting them on their involvement. We are going to be on this every day. It's absolutely essential and want to give a hat tip to Governor Abbott and his team for doing this. I understand there took a lot of pressure from the grassroots, but it's done. I asked Raymond Ibrahim, who I think is with John Guandola. Raymond is one of the top experts in this. First off, when you've got a new book out, I want to tell people about getting your writings on this topic of Christianity vers Islam is the best out there. The importance of what Governor Abbott has done. I tried to do this when I was in the White House at the federal level. I got zero traction on this. I mean, nothing but beat back from the State Department and others in the intelligence apparatus. Why is what happened in Texas so important, Raymond?
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It's definitely important because it's first of all, it's very unprecedented, as you just indicated, and it's something that had needed to be done for decades. The Muslim Brotherhood and by extension care is a terrorist organization. This isn't Islamophobia. And we know this by the simple fact that Muslim countries ban the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization. This includes Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Syria, when it was under the secularist Bashar, probably not now under the Al Qaeda leader. So first of all, this is a terrorist organization. It's the oldest Islamic organization. It formally renounced terrorism sometime in the 70s, but before that it was engaged in assassination attempts, for example, against the Egyptian President Gamal Abdul Nasser in the 50s. It has the primary theoretician of jihad who is Sayyid Al Qutb, who was writing. So definitely a terrorist organization. And all it did is it actually changed this modus operandi from physical jihad to more of a subversive jihad. So, for example, I think in 2009, when care itself was named as a co. Indict. Co indicted terrorist organization in the largest terrorist, the Holy Land Fund, I believe it was called. They captured documents and in those documents it said, we are here in America, the Muslim Brotherhood and by extension CARE and all these other organizations to wage a civilizational jihad. And the reason and the way they would do that is by subverting and using America's own laws and, and, and to subvert the United States and enforce Sharia. So when, when Governor, Governor Abbott mentions that they want to spread Sharia and people think this is hyperbolic, it's not. Their own documents say that, okay, so this is something that should have been done a long time ago. They exist. CARE exists exclusively to use the word Islamophobia, to shut down anyone who, who exposes them. Lots of people have come under fire. I myself was attacked by them on numerous occasions. The most famous was when the US Army War College invited me back in 2019 to speak about one of my books and they went ballistic and they called them racists for having me on. They called me a racist. I'm Egyptian and of course I'm Islamophobic. Etc. And the, and the US Army War College buckled to a terrorist organization. Okay. But of course, afterwards, lots of pressure came on them, including from Congress, to bring me back on, and they eventually did. So it didn't work. But that's all they exist to do, is to shut down the truth and hopefully more states and ideally the federal government will follow suit because there's no controversy here whatsoever.
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I want to just go back for a second and talk about. You talk about the, you know, you've got the Persians in Iran, you've got the Turks, but in the Arab nations, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, you've got other great Arab nations. But what is it like? The Muslim Brotherhood is dedicated to the overthrow of the governments in Egypt, in the monarchy in Saudi Arabia. And this is why uae, I would argue, one of the best allies we've got in the region. MBZ understands the dangers. What is it like to be in an Arab country and have the Muslim Brotherhood every day trying to work to overthrow those governments and actually put Sharia as the law in those nations? Sir?
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Well, that's exactly why these countries banned them as a terrorist organization. And it's not easy because they have to walk a fine line because these Arab countries and these Muslim countries can't say we're banning them because they want to impose Sharia. Okay. Rather, they point to the fact that they're engaged in terrorist acts and those Governments pay lip service and often, I mean, Saudi Arabia does enforce Sharia, okay. And Egypt and Sharia is enshrined in its Constitution Article 2. So that's the issue is in Muslim countries, the Muslim Brotherhood, of course, is seen as a great organization and it wins people over through sort of grassroots level reach out, engages in charity and zakat with fellow Muslims to try to bring them into the fold. So that's, it's not a very. It's not as cut and dry as it is for us in the west, which is the irony, because those countries, the fact that they do ban them as a terrorist organization puts them at risk because they're attacking fellow Muslims who for all intents and purposes appear pious and want to enforce Sharia, etc. Which the government also pays lip service to. So it's ironic that we here in the west are hesitant to do this against an alien organization that, as I said, was captured on multiple occasions declaring that their intent purposes in the United States is to subvert it and enforce and impose Sharia. And, and you know, a final point about Texas especially that I think a lot of people are missing about this big enclave, this epic city and whatnot of a thousand homes and I don't know how many properties is. I, I find it ironic. Why is it Texas that they're doing this? Could it be because of the poorest border? We already know that amongst all the millions that cross over illegally are Islamic terrorists. So I do wonder why they chose that state to create basically an enclave. And I'm wondering, is it so they could actually be there and try to manipulate that border for their own and to bring in their own, you know.
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John Guandino, who we've had on Guandola, and also Raymond, I've had them on since my Breitbart days 15 years ago. Raymond, you warned at the time when I used to have, you know, your books, some of your books are first coming out that you warned about England and you said, hey, in these industrial cities where they're starting to take over the center city, they're going to put Sharia courts up there. You were one of the first to warn against Sadiq Khan and people laughed at us. You see, right now I say the threat is in New York City with Mamdani and it's in Texas. And you can see they're very smartly and in a very cunning way trying to take over the financial capital of the world. And they're trying to take over with the greatest, the jewel in the crown of the United States. Your thoughts, sir?
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Yeah, you know, looking, I always say look to Europe to see the trajectory that the United States is on. You know, they're more progressive than us in more ways than one. In other words, they are, they are an example of where we're headed. You know, the uk, this has become a joke. They've got these enclaves. The idea of an enclave, by the way, I've been, I'm writing about this because it's very important. It actually, in Islamic terminology and theology and history especially there's this concept called Rabat. And a Rabat is an enclave of Muslims that actually is, that actually develops along the borders with non Muslim nations. So how far the jihad goes, and it's stopped by non Muslims there, they build fortifications which become, you know, breeding grounds of, on the one hand, piety and jihad. Okay. So they're there to, to, you know, be good Muslims and read about and study and practice jihad on the infidels across the way. So when you look at these enclaves, that's precisely what they are in this potential, you know, epic city in New York. That's what they are. They are breeding grounds of radicalization from whence these people then go off and terrorize the infidels. You know, the uk, we can think about Sweden, Malmo. I mean, that's now become a bastion of Islamic sentiment and jihadist rage and whatnot. And this is all around in Germany and it's growing in Italy and Austria, France, Spain, and you're always getting these attacks. So these enclaves aren't just, you know, non assimilated foreigners, they're actually jihadists. And that's part of the Islamic law and the Islamic canon. So when we come here and look at the United States, the only difference is the US has a small, much smaller population of Muslims for now compared to Europe. But it's like I said, it's on the same exact trajectory, what with what's going on in New York, with what was about to happen in Texas, and we got what's going on in Michigan and you know, all these Dearborn, etc. So we're definitely on the same track. But with this latest development of, you know, calling out the Muslim Brotherhood for what it is and care terrorists, I think that's, you know, some good news.
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You've got another. Your books are amazing. Our audience loves them. You've got another massive book coming out, I think next week or the week after. Talk to us. Two Swords of Christ. What? What is it? And why should, why should our folks buy it?
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Yeah, it's the two Swords of Christ. Here it is, just to give you an idea. And it's literally about the two military orders that most combated Islam for five centuries, which are the Knights of the Temple and the Knights of the Hospital, as you can see on the pommels of the sword. And you know, their history has been so warped. The Templars are now, you know, unrecognizable. They're, you know, these esoteric non Christian, you know, forerunners of the Freemasons. All of which is nonsense and I debunk it and I show all the facts against it. But it's really, if you like sword and Scimitar, and if you like defenders of the west, this is really the culmination because on the one hand it's a history like Sword and Scimitar of their war against Islam. And like defenders of the west, the, the heroism exhibited often unto martyrdom is unparalleled. And again, these are stories that, you know, you'll never see this in Hollywood. Hollywood creates fake things that are supposed to be heroic and epic. This is once again proof that truth is more heroic and more dramatic than fiction. If you read these stories and they're all very well documented, over a thousand endnotes, all mostly primary sources. So again you're, I think people will be very inspired to see that. And, and the most important thing I think is that I really show you how that they understood militant Christianity is not a bad thing. They were all about just war theory.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. Raymond, I want people to get this book next Tuesday. Raymond's going to join us for an entire hour at 6 o'.
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We're going to break down the books. I want you to get this book. Get these books to young people, particularly young men. This is the story of the two fighting military orders of Christianity. Monks who were warriors. The warrior monks. And I'm telling you it is reeds like a novel. Raymond, where do people get the. Until next Tuesday, sir. Social media, your site and where they get the books.
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Best place for me is just my website. Raymond. Ibrahim.com R A Y M O N D I B R A H I M and it has everything there. It has links to the books and all sorts of things. You can get a signed copy if you like. And the book comes out like I said Tuesday. You can order it right now. Easiest place probably to get it from is Amazon. But yeah, it's already a best seller on Amazon.
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Okay. Of course all your books are bestsellers. The audience loves it. Thank you, Raymond. Love you too. Thank you. And thank you so much for your observations on Europe, the Middle east and particularly Texas. And this is for backup for Governor Abbott. And everybody did this. Remember Egypt, UAE and Saudi Arabia and MBZ at uae. He doesn't mess around with this stuff. They're a terrorist organization. He did the right thing. More about that in the days and weeks ahead. Thank you, Raymond.
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Thanks.
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We got it. We got. We got CDC blockbuster news. And we got Mary Holland here to walk us all through it. Let's go ahead and play it now has updated its website to say claims vaccines do not cause autism, well established, actually are not evidence based. That's according to this new webpage that reads studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism.
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Studies supporting a link have been ignored by health authorities.
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That's the new claim on the CDC website. There also is a notice that the Department of Health and Human Services is launching an assessment into the causes of autism.
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The webpage previously said Studies have shown.
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There is no link between vaccine, vaccines and autism. HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Of course, long has been a vaccine skeptic. But he did promise in his Senate confirmation process the CDC would not remove language saying vaccines do not cause autism. It is now claiming that, or is putting into skepticism this notion that somehow vaccines may cause autism. That's what they're implying. There is no evidence. There was a 19, just for your audience, there was a 1998 article, article that proposed a link between vaccines and autism, childhood vaccines and autism that has been serially debunked, as you pointed out. And we know what's causing it. We've had this conversation before. It's genetics, it's family history, increasing maternal, paternal age, air pollution. There's little conversation on the actual proven drivers here, and that's unfortunate. But I think ultimately what this means for all of us is that we can't trust the CDC anymore. They are not in scientific or public health authority. Mary Holland. It's air pollution easily refuted, Ma', am, your thoughts?
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This is such a, you know, that's a great, great clip of sort of what, what the mainstream is going to try to do. So literally, for 30 years, literally hundreds of thousands of parents around the world have been reporting that their children drastically regress developmentally immediately after vaccines. And for, you know, 30 years, parents have been gaslit because of pressure from pharma and the government because they've been pushing these shots. And they're very lucrative. And so it is so wonderful that we now see the start of HHS and CDC telling the truth. And so they haven't said, steve, vaccines cause autism. They obviously think they need to have more science behind that to be able to say that. But what they are saying is that there's no science behind the claim vaccines do not cause autism, that the CDC has been making for decades and that they are now doing rigorous investigation of what are the causes of autism and that there are plausible biological mechanisms by which vaccines might be causing autism. Between you and me, there's no doubt that vaccines cause autism. And we believe some of the recent studies show that about 80% of the cases of autism are likely from vaccines. That's not accepted yet, but that's what most of the recent study that we think is, is really valuable is showing.
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Okay, you have certain mile markers in, in what I call process, we try to teach people here critical path. What is the process things. How do you think downrange, what's happening? The CDC describe to us specifically what happened at the CDC website because this is, quite frankly, you would agree, a monumental moment, this whole campaign to open people's eyes. So put in the perspective of the audience, particularly those audience members are maybe just coming to this topic now.
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Sure. So literally, I don't know when they first put that claim up on the CDC website, but that claim has been up for, I believe, something like 20 years. Vaccines do not cause autism. And Steve, just to note, it's still there because Secretary Kennedy made a promise to Senator Cassidy that it would stay on the website. So it's still there and then all this information is beneath it. But the CDC has been claiming this. Back in 2016, a film came out vaxxed by Andy Wakefield and others that made really clear that the CDC was whitewashing a connection between vaccines and autism. And that film Vax really helped to trigger the grassroots movement that said, wait a minute, you guys are lying to us. We need to figure out what's really going on. And to his credit, Aaron Siri, a lawyer on behalf of icann, has been trying with Freedom of Information to get it. What, what is the science behind your claim, cdc, that vaccines don't cause autism. And you know, there's nothing there, Steve.
A
Right.
E
It's well established through Freedom of Information. There's nothing there. And Secretary Kennedy is very well aware of the very serious issues with autism and vaccines. And 2 million people in this country have autism. It's a global phenomenon. It has increased many fold since the early 1980s when it was about 1 in 10,000 kids. It's now 1 in 31 kids in the United States, 1 in 12 and a half boys in California. It's absolutely an epidemic crisis. And so last night, quietly, CDC changed the website and it's all very well cited. And they're saying they're doing this because of requirements under the Data Quality act, because of the 1986 act, that the government has an obligation to tell us the truth. And the truth is there's no evidence, no science behind the claim. Vaccines do not cause autism.
A
Mary Holland, where do people go to get all the information about this? We're going to drill. Tony Line is going to join us this afternoon. We're going to spend time on this. Where do people go? Ma'?
E
Am, great. Come to childrenshealthdefense.org come to our social media, childrenshd. Come to sign up for free for Defender, our daily newsletter. Come watch CHD TV. We go live every weekday, every day, actually, 10:00am Eastern.
A
Thank you, ma'.
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Am.
A
Steve, huge news. Monumental day. Very, very, very important. Thank you, ma'. Am.
E
Thank you, Steve.
A
Maybe, maybe everybody go over the CDC site and check it out right now. Joe Allen's here. We're going to get you up in a minute. I think Tony Lyons, we very disturbing discussion of Megyn Kelly. Maybe I can play that in a minute. Tony Lyons is going to be with us about the pressure that Bobby Kennedy is under. Rickardswarroom.com we know you love the geopolitics, the capital markets, all of it. Jim Rickards, one of our contributors, one of the best around intelligence, Wall street lawyer, one of the great capital markets guys out there, puts out a newsletter that CEOs and chairman of the board read all the time. You can get access to it, Strategic intelligence. Go to brickardswarroom.com that's all one word. Rickardswarroom.com strategic intelligence and other publications he puts out. But that's kind of the flagship because it's predicated upon predictive analytics. Jim's been so right on so many of his calls. So go get it today. Rickardswarroom.com the landing page. Go check it out. And he throws in a free book on Money ChatGPT or Money GPT about artificial intelligence and currency. Also, want to give a hat tip. What's happened down in Texas would not be possible if it was not for Patriot Mobile. I want to thank Glenn Story and his entire team. Patriotmobile.com or 972patriot go make this shift today. We wouldn't have had all these great things in Texas it was not for this company. In fact, he sent me a Reddit post last night that ties together War Room, Patriot Mobile, Christian nationalism, Christian, I think it's Dominionism, all of it and some sort of, you know, secret cabal include, you know, clues Lee Wamsgan and many of the people we work with in Texas. So we'll get it up. You can read it today and check it out. Want to make sure Reddit gets, gets all, you know, gets access to all the Reddit kind of madness. Joe Allen, you're in the great state of Texas. You're down there for artificial intelligence. You're spending a couple days talking to people. We need a call to action here. People need to go to the ramparts because today's the day we got to beat down this, the AI amnesty. They're trying to slip into the ndaa. What do you got for us, brother?
F
Yes, Steve, I am here in Dallas, Texas, and alongside the minarets going up everywhere are data centers, maybe more data centers than mosques. At this point, I would urge the War Room Posse to go to their phones. Go to billblasterapp.org or billblasterapp on X. Call your representatives in Congress and tell them you do not want an AI moratorium slipped into the ndaa. You do not want your state to be limited in regulating AI.
B
Why?
F
Because only the states are stepping up for child protection, for consumer protection, for copyright protection, for transparency in these frontier labs, accountability for the frontier labs, bans on deep fakes, AI therapists, all of that. The federal government has done nothing. The states are stepping up. And I would add, Steve, that the representatives themselves need to ask themselves, are they willing to answer questions such as do you believe that states have the right to determine their own futures? Because if you look at the statistics on how Americans feel about artificial intelligence, you have for instance, a poll just came out from Institute for Family Studies which found that 18% of Americans do not or do support the moratorium, meaning 82% of Americans do not want a moratorium on state laws. A recent Pew poll found that 50% of Americans see AI as a degrading force in creativity and human relationships. And the Edelman Trust Barometer finds that yes, 50% of Americans reject AI outright. These representatives are accountable to Americans and Americans do not want this.
A
Joe Allen, I know you get a bounce real quickly on Sunday. I want everybody to get it. People that want to meet Joe Allen and hear Joe Allen at his best. You're going to have a big event on Sunday in Dallas, Texas. Where do people go to get where's the event, what are you going to do and where they get tickets?
F
Yes, Steve, the event is at the Angelica Film center in Dallas, Texas. It is at 5pm I will be talking about AI, the tool that becomes a God. You can find tickets at the top of my social media oebotxyz or get tickets 2 for 1 directly from the site that is ministryoftruthfilmfest.com but if you want the links go to my social media, oebotxyz. And of course we challenge Ted Cruz to come and explain to us why it is he's running cover for people who overtly say they want to build general intelligence superintelligence, replace American workers and eventually chip everyone's brains so we can keep up in an AI world. Ted, come on down. We'd like to hear from you.
A
Joe Allen, causing trouble down in Texas. Real quickly, your social media, sir. Where they go?
F
Yes, that's at J O E Bot XYZ links to Tickets at the top. Angelica film Center, Dallas, Texas. Sunday at 5:00pm Come on down.
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The.
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Title: Big Tech Selling Out America To China; CDC Finally Tells The Truth
Date: November 20, 2025
Host: Steve Bannon (A)
Guests: Oren Cass (D), Raymond Ibrahim (C), Mary Holland (E), Joe Allen (F)
Theme: Exposing the intersection of Big Tech, U.S.-China relations, new CDC revelations on vaccines, and the spread of Islamic organizations in America.
This episode focuses on three primary themes:
The episode also features urgent calls to listener action regarding AI regulation and highlights from frontline voices across topics.
Key Segments: [00:12]–[14:36]
Bannon sets the stage (00:12):
Bannon warns listeners of a crisis, stating, "This is the primal scream of a dying regime." He urges grassroots activism against “tech oligarchs” and the lack of regulation in AI.
Discussion of AI “arms dealers” (03:49, 07:17):
Bannon compares tech CEOs like Jensen Huang (Nvidia) to “arms dealers,” accusing them of prioritizing profit over American national security, especially in chip sales to China.
“He’s an arms dealer and he’ll deal those arms to anybody... Chinese companies can get him. It doesn’t matter who wins. AI. He’s an arms dealer and as an arms merchant, he’ll sell to anybody.” — Steve Bannon [03:49]
The GAIN Act and White House opposition (04:08):
Oren Cass highlights Senator Jim Banks’ GAIN Act, which would give U.S. companies right of first refusal on advanced chips. He decries Biden administration resistance:
“...the companies that are building the AI stuff, they support this... And then the White House comes out today and says, no, we’re opposed, don’t do it... It’s just the wrong guys in the administration who are in bed with arms dealers.” — Oren Cass [05:21]
Flawed logic in selling to China (07:17):
Cass mocks the recurring argument that selling technology to China somehow benefits the U.S., likening it to “Charlie Brown with the football.”
“The closest thing I’ve heard to an argument for why we should be selling chips to China is that we’re somehow going to get them hooked on our technology. And it’s frankly, it’s embarrassing... The Chinese take the technology and push American firms out.” — Oren Cass [07:31]
Regulation Evasion and National Interest (10:02):
Cass blasts loophole-ridden AI “amnesty” proposals, emphasizing the need for healthy debate and truly national policy, particularly child protection, not just corporate freedom.
Key Segments: [11:55]–[14:36]
Key Segments: [16:34]–[26:11]
Texas’s unprecedented move (16:34):
Bannon praises Texas Governor Abbott for designating the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) and CAIR as terrorist organizations—a move he says met federal resistance during his White House tenure.
Ibrahim: The Brotherhood’s aims and methods (17:38, 21:05):
"The Muslim Brotherhood, and by extension CAIR, is a terrorist organization. This isn’t Islamophobia... This is something that should have been done a long time ago." — Raymond Ibrahim [18:04]
Islamic enclaves and their risk (23:49):
Ibrahim warns that Muslim enclaves in U.S. cities mirror Europe’s “Ribat” concept—serving as bases for future radicalization.
“They are breeding grounds of radicalization from whence these people then go off and terrorize the infidels...” — Raymond Ibrahim [24:32]
Historical perspective and new book (26:11):
Ibrahim introduces his forthcoming book “The Two Swords of Christ,” reclaiming the history of religious military orders who fought Islamic expansion.
Key Segments: [30:48]–[36:44]
CDC’s website update (31:14):
News breaks that the CDC changed their vaccine-autism messaging. Formerly stating “vaccines do not cause autism,” the CDC now acknowledges insufficient science to support that claim.
“Studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism.” — CDC (quoted, [31:14]) “...there’s no science behind the claim vaccines do not cause autism.” — Mary Holland [32:52]
Mainstream pushback and parental experience (32:42):
Holland argues that for 30 years, parents’ reports have been disregarded in favor of pharmaceutical interests. She claims internal studies (not yet broadly accepted) suggest vaccines may contribute to up to 80% of U.S. autism cases.
Government transparency and public trust (34:36):
Holland details a two-decade FOIA campaign seeking scientific evidence for the CDC’s position, which she says is lacking.
Key Segments: [39:24]–[43:00]
“Only the states are stepping up for child protection, for consumer protection, for copyright protection... The federal government has done nothing. The states are stepping up.” — Joe Allen [40:02]
| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:12 | Bannon opens with critique of Big Tech, regulation, and urgency | | 03:49 | Bannon and Cass on Nvidia’s sales to China, calling out CEOs | | 04:08–08:51 | The GAIN Act, White House opposition, and flawed arguments | | 11:55 | Immigration visa policy and impact on American workers | | 16:34 | Texas’s move against Muslim Brotherhood/CAIR | | 18:04 | Ibrahim details MB’s history, aims, and tactics | | 23:49 | Islamic enclaves in the West—European trajectory, U.S. risks | | 26:11 | Ibrahim’s new book “Two Swords of Christ” described | | 30:48 | CDC’s vaccine/autism language quietly changed—analysis begins | | 31:14 | Direct quote from the revised CDC page | | 32:42–35:41 | Holland details the history of parental reporting, CDC stonewall | | 39:24 | Joe Allen’s call to action on stopping AI “amnesty” in Congress |
For a dynamic and thorough analysis of current events at the nexus of tech, policy, and culture—laced with populist fervor—this episode is essential listening for those skeptical of elite consensus and seeking actionable solutions.