Episode 4953: FBI To Investigate The Seditious 6

Summary

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Episode Overview

Podcast: Bannon’s War Room
Episode: 4953 – FBI To Investigate The Seditious 6
Date: November 26, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon

Main Theme:
This episode centers on the FBI’s investigation into six Democratic lawmakers—the "Seditious 6"—for allegedly urging U.S. military personnel to refuse illegal orders, an act President Trump and supporters decry as sedition. The show also delves into civil-military relations, legal actions against these lawmakers, judicial conflicts involving Trump-era policies, AI advances via the "Genesis Mission," and an exploration of Western militant Christian tradition in response to historic and current threats.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. FBI Investigation of Six Lawmakers ("The Seditious 6") (00:00–06:14)

• Context: Six Democratic lawmakers (including Sen. Alyssa Slotkin, ex-CIA, and Arizona Sen. Mark Kelly) face FBI inquiries after a video where they advise service members to resist illegal orders.
• FBI Response: Director Cash Patel defends the inquiry, stating it depends on legal predicate:

  “That decision will be made by the career agents and analysts here at the FBI.” — Cash Patel [01:42]

• Pentagon Involvement: There's discussion of calling Sen. Mark Kelly back to active duty for possible court martial.
• Guest Commentary: Some guests argue these lawmakers' actions insult the chain of command and undermine trust in the military.
  • “The message to me was…we don’t trust the military [leadership]…I would completely disagree with that underlying assessment…” — Guest [02:18]
• Bannon’s View: Frames the FBI action as necessary retribution, warns against Congress members' public calls to resist authority.

  “This is a deep crisis…This has to be dealt with immediately…I think recalling Kelly to active duty and court martialing him…the senior officer…ought to be dealt with.” — Steve Bannon [08:00]

• Historical Analogies: References to George Washington’s subordination to Congress and the risk of military coups (Civil War, McClellan).

2. The Crisis in Civil-Military Relations (06:14–11:40)

• Dr. Bradley Thayer: Emphasizes the importance of “objective civilian control” over the military, highlighting US professionalism vs. politicized forces like China or the Soviet Union.
  • “What these six have done…undermining…objective civilian control…the heart of the most successful civil-military relationship in history.” — Dr. Thayer [06:23]
  • “It is a crime.” — Dr. Thayer [11:07]
• Concerns Raised:
  • Undermining trust and discipline in the ranks.
  • Setting a precedent for politicizing the military.

3. Legal Maneuvers Against the 'Deep State' and Judicial Controversies (11:46–22:09)

• Julie Kelly Segment:
  • Coverage of Judge Jeb Bosberg’s criminal contempt proceedings targeting Trump-era officials for alleged defiance of court orders concerning immigration (Venezuelan deportations).
  • ACLU seeking to call DOJ/DHS officials for testimony.
  • Reports of aggressive judicial actions, secrecy (gag orders), and whistleblower testimony (Erez Rubini).
  • Suggests proceedings are politically motivated to harm Emil Bovey’s Supreme Court prospects.
    • “This is going to be another attempt to drag his name through the mud as he’s sitting on the Third Circuit Court of Appeals.” — Julie Kelly [21:24]
  • Bannon calls for Bosberg’s impeachment as a remedy.
    • “Bossberg has to be impeached.” — Steve Bannon [19:56]

4. Election Integrity and Legal Strategies – Tina Peters Case (22:12–27:28)

• Ivan Raiklin with General Flynn:
  • Argues for prompt legal action to extract Tina Peters (Colorado election official), labeling Democrats as “seditious conspirators.”
  • Proposes direct DOJ action and federal charges, invoking evidence from Mike Lindell and attorney Kurt Olsen.
    • “There is no one better positioned to expose the evidence of the 2020 electoral heist…than Kurt Olson.” — Ivan Raiklin [26:22]
  • Bannon and Raiklin push for aggressive, immediate prosecution against state officials linked to alleged voter fraud.

5. AI Policy: Genesis Mission and U.S. National Labs (31:16–38:45)

• Trump Administration Executive Order:
  • Launches the Genesis Mission—integrating AI and quantum computing across 17 federal Department of Energy labs.
  • Purpose: Accelerate biotech, materials science, chips, quantum, and nuclear tech; likened to a new Manhattan Project for AI.
• Joe Allen, AI Analyst:
  • Warns of the risks and immense power in aggregating national datasets for autonomous scientific experiments.
    • “Genesis mission will transform how science is done in America…built on artificial intelligence and quantum computing…” — Joe Allen quoting promotional copy [33:04]
  • Expresses concern about potential loss of public control and the risk of competing with the Chinese Communist Party.
    • “These five [sectors]…drive you to a thing called the singularity, do they not, sir?” — Bannon [35:14]
  • Bannon proposes American citizens should own significant equity in resultant AI companies.
    • “American citizens own how much equity? So in the 90 days, they assess…The opening bid is 50%.” — Steve Bannon [37:06]

6. Historical Perspective – Militant Christianity and the Muslim Brotherhood (41:17–47:41)

• With Author Raymond Ibrahim:
  • Promotes his new book, The Two Swords of Christ, exploring the “warrior monk” orders’ role in defending Christianity.
    • “[The book] literally looks at the two swords of Christ…the most pious men…were also the most militant.” — Raymond Ibrahim [41:47]
  • Draws a line from medieval Christian militancy to the need for modern, principled resistance against external threats (tying to contemporary policy on the Muslim Brotherhood).
  • Critiques “doormat” Christianity and advocates for a return to chivalric just war traditions.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "The FBI is now working to schedule interviews with Slotkin and the five other Democrats who appear in that video urging US Service members simply to not comply with any illegal order." — Host summarizing FBI action [00:48]
• "Totally agree with everything [Senator Kelly] just said. However, he could have taken a step back and said, why am I...sending this message? Which clearly is an insult to our chain of command." — Guest [02:43]
• "Donald Trump believes that the US Military should be his personal muscle…he owns the military like he owns buildings…" — Bannon [03:45]
• "Because the great strength of our civil military relations…is where civilians order the military what to do, the military obeys." — Dr. Thayer [06:14]
• "What they have done is...undermining the heart of civil military relations…this is unpatriotic, supremely dangerous." — Dr. Thayer [10:09]
• "The ACLU…list numerous DOJ, even DHS officials who they want to testify…about behind the scenes deliberations…" — Julie Kelly [12:36]
• "In the 90 days, they assess…what the ownership [should be] of the American people. And the opening bid is 50%." — Bannon on national AI lab equity [37:06]
• "There is no one better positioned to expose the evidence of the 2020 electoral heist…than Kurt Olson." — Ivan Raiklin [26:22]
• "If the Europeans...had not fought back...Christianity would have been snuffed out." — Raymond Ibrahim quoting T. Roosevelt [44:35]

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Important Timestamps

• 00:00–06:14: FBI investigation and political fallout for the “Seditious 6”.
• 06:14–11:46: Dr. Bradley Thayer on civil-military relations and precedent.
• 12:23–22:12: Julie Kelly on legal maneuvering, contempt proceedings, and judicial bias.
• 22:59–27:28: Ivan Raiklin and Bannon strategize legal action in the Tina Peters and election integrity saga.
• 31:16–38:45: Joe Allen on the "Genesis Mission"—national labs, AI, and technological policy.
• 41:17–47:41: Raymond Ibrahim discusses historical Christian militancy and its modern lessons.

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Additional Episode Notes

• Show resists mainstream and Democratic narratives, framing events as existential issues for American civil rights, sovereignty, and tradition.
• Bannon and guests frequently draw on historical parallels to frame current events as part of an ongoing battle between constitutionalists and perceived subversive forces.
• Ongoing emphasis on proactive, unapologetic legal and political action rather than incrementalism or waiting for institutional permission.
• Multiple references to upcoming specials, investigative journalism, and calls to action for audience activism.

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For More Information

• Dr. Bradley Thayer: X: @BradThayer, Getter
• Julie Kelly: Substack: Declassified with Julie Kelly, X: @julie_kelly2
• Joe Allen: X: @OEBot_XYZ, Frontier Magazine
• Raymond Ibrahim: RaymondIbrahim.com
• WarRoom.org: Full episode archive and additional commentary

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Transcript

[A]

And retribution campaign has a new target, six of them, actually. The lawmakers who served our country honorably and bravely and dared to tell members of the United States military something that would in normal times be totally normal and totally obvious, that it is their duty to refuse to carry out any illegal orders. This afternoon, one of those lawmakers, Senator Alyssa Slotkin of Michigan, who before becoming a member of that body served as a CIA analyst. And as a CIA analyst, she went to Iraq. She also served in the Pentagon during both the Bush and Obama presidencies. She today announced that she believes she is under investigation by the FBI's counterterrorism division because she appeared in that video that has clearly sent Donald Trump into some sort of rage. Donald Trump saying that what she did was, quote, punishable by death. In fact, a source familiar tells us that the FBI is now working to schedule interviews with Slotkin and the five other Democrats who appear in that video urging US Service members simply to not comply with any illegal order. The source telling Ms. Now that the FBI has contacted Capitol Police to try to schedule these interviews. Ahead of that news, FBI Director Cash Patel was asked about the video. Here's what he said. Democratic lawmakers released a video calling on military personnel to defy illegal orders. President Trump weighed in and called it a seditious behavior. When you saw this one went through your head.

[B]

What goes through my head is the same thing that goes through my head. In any case, is there a lawful predicate to open up an inquiry and.

[C]

Investigation or is there not?

[B]

And that decision will be made by the career agents and analysts here at the FBI.

[A]

Is the FBI getting involved based on.

[B]

The fact that is an ongoing matter? There's not much I can say.

[A]

Pete Heg says Pentagon also getting in on the action by launching an investigation into Arizona Senator Mark Kelly for his his participation in the video. Hegseth threatened the decorated veteran and war hero last night with being called back into active duty status so that he could possibly be court martialed.

[B]

So what do you make of the situation right now and Kelly's response?

[D]

Well, good for the senator to say what he said. But let me take a step back and indicate that what he and his colleagues did was inappropriate. They didn't have to remind service members that they have an obligation to support the Constitution. And realizing, of course, that officers and enlisted personnel take two different oaths. And the enlisted personnel, this was a message that those Congress members and members of the intelligence former intelligence community sent to sent to the service members. And it was to those enlisted folks which is you can disobey your bosses. You can do that. Well, the point of the fact of the matter is when Senator Kelly and his colleagues made the comment, the message to me was, we, this collection of folks, we don't trust the military, the uniformed leadership, and we think that they've been taken over by the administration. I would completely disagree with that underlying assessment which brought them to make these statements. That's my view of all this. God bless Senator Kelly and what he's accomplished in his life and where he has been. Totally agree with everything he just said. However, he could have taken a step back and said, why am I making, why am I sending this message? Which clearly is an insult to our chain of command. Those in uniform, folks that I have had the privilege of serving with and training and growing into the positions that they're in today, and I don't. I think he could have made a better decision.

[B]

And, you know, we've been saying this for a long time. A lot of us have been saying this for a long time. Donald Trump believes that the US Military should be his personal muscle. It should be his personal militia that answers only to him, not to Congress, not to the Constitution, not to the American people. Nobody. Donald Trump thinks that Article 2 means he owns the military like he owns buildings or owns anything else. And, you know, this is an attempt by him and others to say to members of Congress and to all American citizens that you have no right to express your views about the military or the Constitution or your own freedoms. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen k. Band. Tuesday, 26th November year for Lord 2025. We are packed in this hour and it's going to be a cross between action, proposed action and strongly worded letters, at least for part of it. So just bear with us and see how the, how we're trending on all these Actions against the deep state. Let me start with Dr. Bradley Thayer first. So it's come out. Cash Patel and the FBI are calling people in, as they should, immediately for interviews. I hope that's under oath and leads to quite rapidly charges being brought. And also, Mark Kelly, you heard General, I think hurling right there, he was kind of confused, but he said it's a total insult to the military to do with these guys and totally inappropriate. Dr. Thayer, why is it important that we must take dramatic and immediate action on this, sir, and not dither?

[E]

Because the great strength of our civil military relations, what's called objective civilian control, which is where civilians order the military what to do, the military obeys. The military has its own domain. The military deals with military decisions of its own accord, but obeys civilian leadership. And that's been the great strength of the US Military, as well as all professional militaries, and has led to tremendous military success. Our professionalization. And that's unlike, for example, the Chinese Communist Party, which controls the People's Liberation army, or in the Cold War, where the Communist Party of the Soviet Union controlled the Red Army. The Soviet army, they were politicized forces. So what these six have done is done their utmost not just to sow discord, right? That would be bad enough, but they're undermining objective civilian control. They're undermining the heart of the most successful civil military relationship that's existed in history. And for that, they have to be held to account. They cannot do that. That's something which undermines our military effectiveness. That undermines the loyalty and calls into question the loyalty, of course, of all service members. It's outrageous on its face, but it gets to something which is very deep, which is undermining the heart of civil military relations even more so. Steven.

[B]

But hang on a second. I want to get to that number one that came from the army was founded in 1775. In general, Washington always answered to and made a point of knowing, even though they were stiffing him, there was no money. It was a complete fiasco, especially in the early part of the war. He always made sure that everybody knew. He reported to the Continental Congress and particularly the committee that oversaw the military. He went out of his way. The only other time I think we've had a crisis like this is in the Civil War when McClellan There was an active beginning of a coup against President Lincoln by McClellan and his staff. And President Lincoln cleaned that out. But there was this hint of a coup, of a military coup, where they were not going to Report to civilian authority. This is a deep crisis. This is why this has to be dealt with immediately. And I think recalling Kelly to active duty and court martialing him, as Captain Fennell said today, he was the senior officer in this and you ought to be dealt with. Continue on, Dr. Thayer.

[E]

Well, all of them should be dealt with. Certainly Senator Kelly should be. But this can't stand. This is something which undermines what is essential for our national security. It undermines the service men and women in our country. So it can't stand because what it is doing is getting at the heart of, of how our civilian leadership controls the military and in turn how the military serves that civilian leadership. And so what they have done is done their utmost to undermine that. And it's the pattern that we see with the Democrats at this time. Right. It gets back to their Londonness tactics. Right. To advance what they call revolutionary defeatism. Right. They want things to be as bad as possible. Right. The worse, the better for the Democrats to undermine Trump, to checkmate him, to fetter him at every step as a way, of course, of undermining the US So what they're doing is again, the most successful civil military relationship that's existed in history has been US Civil military relationship. It's gone through ups and downs. Steve, as you mentioned, we could more recently recall Vietnam and the stresses that Vietnam placed on the US military and the aftermath of Vietnam, where in the 1970s, for example, where we talked about a hollow force, the army rebuilt itself, as did all of the armed services, because they were supremely professional. So what these Sikhs are doing is undermining that. And that is something which is unpatriotic, that is something which is supremely dangerous. And it is a way of putting the US military on the course of becoming a politicized force, like you would have in China.

[B]

It's also a crime.

[E]

Yeah, well, it is a crime, yes. I mean, the FBI, it's a crime. I mean the FBI will get to the heart of that as well as others. Why Senate ethics has not stepped up here or House Ethics is obviously a question.

[B]

Yeah, I know, but, but, but, but ethics, you got Republicans, you got, you got the Senate. These are crimes have to be dealt with as crimes. We have to put this down, Dr. Thayer, we got to move on. Where do people go to get your analysis and all this?

[F]

Sure.

[E]

Steve, thanks very much. Brad Thayer at X and Bradley Thayer Getter and Ed Truth.

[B]

Thanks for starting us off. Dr. Bradley Thayer, thank you, sir. Appreciate you. Also, I might add, I think I'll link. Glenn Beck is doing an incredible job on this very topic over at the Blaze. And we'll link to some of his commentary and analysis. Julie Kelly, this afternoon you've been following the situation where they're trying to bring criminal contempt charges around President Trump and his people. And Julie Kelly called shot. You said Emil Bovey is one of their targets. And lo and behold, Emil Bovey is one of their targets, ma'. Am.

[F]

Correct. So as I explained this morning, we were waiting today for mandatory filings per Judge Jeb Bossberg related to his criminal contempt proceedings against the DOJ and the Trump administration. So what he asked for today was both sides, the ACLU who is representing those illegal Venezuelans tied to trend, who were covered under the president's Alien Enemies act proclamation and then from the Department of Justice who they would want, number one, as witnesses in any contempt hearing and then dates for a hearing for those witnesses to testify. So as of right now, 5:15 Eastern Time, the Trump administration has not filed its response to Jeb Bosberg, which I'm sure it's making him really steamed, but I think is kind of funny. But the ACLU did and they list numerous doj, even DHS officials who they want to testify sworn testimony about behind the scenes deliberations before, on and after Jeb Bosberg made that ridiculous oral order, he calls it, to return planes to planes carrying these illegal Venezuelans that were already out of US airspace on the evening of March 15th of this year ordered those planes returned. So this is the basis of his contempt finding. And some of this, a lot of it actually. And Jeb Bossberg brought this up himself last week in the hearing relates to this alleged whistleblower, Erez Rubini, who was a DOJ immigration official who made these claims about comments that Emil Bovey had made as the, I think at that point, acting deputy attorney general and what they wanted to say to the courts if judges try to thwart and stop the implementation of the Alien Enemies act proclamation. So this whistleblower account, you and I have talked about it. I have coverage of it on my substack declassified with Julie Kelly. I reposted my piece about this whistleblower from earlier this year, Bossberg himself last year, last week brought up the whistleblower and saying he wanted to hear from the whistleblower and everyone the whistleblower had spoken, spoken to about this and other immigration lawsuits that the deal Julie just handling at the time.

[B]

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[G]

Am?

[F]

No, they're not. And that's exactly what Jeff Bosberg is trying to do. Recall, Steve, that his original probable cause finding was last April where he accused the Trump administration of contempt of court for defying that oral order that was vacated by the appellate court. However, it was kicked back to Bospur just last week and he did not waste a minute restarting this, these proceedings. So perhaps the Trump administration, the DOJ is going to just file a one pager later tonight and say we have no potential witnesses. We don't think that this contempt hearing is legal and we're not offering up any dates for a hearing and let Jeb Bossberg work from there. Keep in mind, Steve, also we just found out today that Jeb Bosberg signed off on 19, 19 gag orders, non disclosure orders prohibiting cell phone carriers from notifying sitting U.S. senators and members of Congress that Jack Smith had subpoenaed their cell phone records. So as his corruption and his malfeasance continues to get exposed, he is not backing off. He is actually ramping up and accelerating his Jesus. He's doubling down against the Trump administration.

[B]

He's doubling down. Go to Article 3 project right now and get all the information about getting to your congressman or senator about the impeachment of Bossberg. It has to happen. Also check in with Grace on Bill Blaster. We've got two major weapons to do this. Bossberg has to be impeached. Last question. The aclu, they understand, they want to go after Emil Bovey because he's. He's a sitting. We took him out of the Justice Department, which, God knows, we needed him. But he was so important, they put him in appellate court because he's on the short list of the Supreme Court. Don't they want to sit there and what they want to do is put a blowtorch to Emil Bovey to use this false proceeding, this phony proceeding, to make sure they ding him for his Supreme Court confirmation hearing. Do they not, ma'?

[F]

Am, they absolutely do. And this was what this whistleblower errors. Rovini and I actually would like to see Mr. Ravini testify under oath about these alleged conversations that he was involved in or overheard. But the point is to drag Emil Bovey again through the mud. This almost successfully disrailed, derailed Emil Bovey's confirmation process. I think he got exactly 50 votes, or 51. So this almost torpedoed his judicial nomination to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals. And to your point, yes, he is towards the top of the list to be Supreme Court Justice. He's the last person the left and Democrats would want on the Supreme Court because, of course, he's very sharp, very smart, shrewd, and he understands what this battle is all about. So, yes, this is going to be another attempt to drag his name through the mud as he's sitting on the third Circuit Court of Appeals.

[B]

Julie, where do people go for your substack, where they go for your social media accounts? You are on fire, ma', am, in a. A couple of great cold shots on this one.

[F]

Thanks, Steve. Thanks for having me on Declassified with Julie Kelly on Substack X on Julie. Underscore Kelly, too. I will keep refreshing the docket for this Bossberg contempt proceeding. And as if the doj, the government does respond later. I will be posting it as soon as I get it.

[B]

Thank you, ma'. Am. Appreciate you.

[F]

Thanks.

[B]

Okay, I said earlier today, I said go. So go to Julie Kellyer. Substack. Watch it. I said today you've got the. You've got these, you got Michael Benz, you got Alex Jones, you got Natalie wins and a couple of dozen more that do an amazing job of breaking down the deep state of all the taproots. But you've got to get in and do the wet work. If you want to take it down, you can defund it. You can do that. But at some point in time, like what's happening on the FBI, you got to get in there with Julie Kelly's doing in this huge fight on Bossberg, and we have to impeach this guy. We have to put him through the process. Ivan Reichland joins us now. He and General Flynn are working on something about Tina Peters. We got to raise up the Tina Peters we get, and it's going to take maniacal focus. Ivan, what have you and General Flynn come up with, sir?

[C]

Yes, I mean, you nailed it on the head yesterday. I think at this point, it requires political courage to extract her because we all know that they're going to maneuver in every which way possible. They being polis and Jenna Griswold and the radical left, to keep her as a political prisoner, a prisoner of war, effectively. And so when you look at the perspective of what the Democrats have done over the last 11 years of treason, effectively, as seditious conspirators, they don't ask a court to, and they don't pontificate and ask themselves, hmm, I wonder if the Supreme Court or a district court is gonna allow us to conduct treason. No, they actually just conduct it, and then we have to claw our way back to stop them from conducting. Would be very novel for a Republican administration to say, you know what? This is lawful. This is our legal analysis. We're going to go ahead and file, for example, the U.S. attorney for the District of Colorado, I believe it's Peter McNeely, he can go ahead and file federal criminal charges against Jenna Griswold for her violation of the 2020 election. The procedure of the. Of the 2020 election. And then from there, once that is filed, literally within the same second, the president could order the Attorney General, Pam Bondi, to then order the director of the Federal Marshals Program, Gaiadis Serralta, the director, and then he could muster all 4,000 or so of his federal marshals to conduct a physical raid on the facility.

[B]

But hang on.

[C]

Similar to the raid that was done.

[B]

Whoa, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Before we get to the raid, let's go back to charging her. You and General Flynn proposed the information that we have now. Do you. You believe that there is existing information out there and evidence that could lead the U.S. attorney to do that?

[D]

Sir.

[C]

So Mike Lindell and his attorney at the time, Mr. Kurt Olsen, have put a. Put together quite a bit of evidence related to the 2020 electoral heist that gen. Excuse me, that Tina Peters could be a federal witness for? That's what I feel.

[B]

Okay, hang skipped and hang lost over that. But, but, no but, hey, yeah, but hang on, hang on. You nailed it right there. If memory serves me correctly, Ivan, Kurt Olson is now the special envoy or the special assistant in the White House complex. I think, over at EOB reporting, I think to Susie. I think it's a direct report up to the Chief of Staff. This is what a priority is for the President to get to the bottom of this, so have you.

[C]

To the bottom of the 2020 electoral heist.

[B]

Exactly. And to do it, by the way, as you know, he's principally a machine guy. We're not. We're mail in ballot guys. But hey, God bless you. So my point is, you, the very guy that you and Flynn name and kind of your punch list to how you have to do it, Voila. Is not hosting a show on Lindell tv. He actually happens to be in the. What's called the White House infrastructure. His specific designation is the Special Assistant for the election integrity. About the 2020 election. So if you and General Flynn reach out to him, because if he has the evidence from his years at Lindell, you're saying this is the path, critical path you have to do, he's the guy. It's kind of a plug and play, is it not?

[C]

There's no one better position to expose the evidence of the 2020 electoral heist in the entire country, as well as the 2022 electoral heist in Arizona, as it relates to Kerry Lake, than Kurt Olson. He's represented, as far as I understand, the President, Mike Lindell, in those lawsuits as well as Kerry Lake. So this is an absolutely fantastic pick of the number one draft pick for the President to pick to be able to expose this. Additionally, he has years of experience exposing the Colorado component, you know, Mesa county, just to contextualize. She's the. Tina Peters was the only county official of the 3,100 plus counties and county equivalents throughout the United States to actually have the courage to expose, research, identify and then expose the illegal activities of the machines in her county's 2020 election. The federal election component of it. And so that's why she would be the most compelling witness of anybody in the country to go ahead and prove the criminality of Janet Griswold.

[B]

It'd be amazing. I want Grace put up his General Flynn's tweet. I'll have you back right after the holidays, Ivan, to go through this some more. But I think you've laid out a pattern. You just got to get nice to.

[C]

Get her out for Thanksgiving, though.

[B]

That's not going to happen. I think it's Very remote. I mean, realistically. And I talk to these people every day. We got to get her. Do doctors have Black Friday sales? The doctors at Brick House Nutrition do. They just announced the Black Friday 30% off sale. The biggest sale of the year. The most impressive health and nutrition products in the industry are now 30% off. Like Lean the doctor formulated weight loss supplement for people who want to lose meaningful weight without injections. Let me repeat that. Lean the doctor formulated weight loss supplement for people who want to lose meaningful weight without injections. And 30% off creatine. Creatine designed just for women to look to help you look leaner in shape and tone without extra dieting or exercise. Even 30% off field of Greens, the only super fruit and vegetable drink shown in a university study to actually slow aging. And only Field of Greens promises better health results. Your doctor will notice every Brick House product, from better sleep to Superior collagen is 30% off. But hurry, because these Black Friday deals go fast. Visit brickhousesale.com that's all one word. Brick house sale and save 30. That's brickhousesale.com One more time. Brickhousesale.com here's your host, Stephen K. Band. Okay, Ivan's idea. I like it a lot directionally. I want everybody to read that. Grayson, Mo. If you can push that out, let's be a force multiplier. This is General Flynn and Ivan. Ivan's also a lawyer. We got to get on top of this. And like I said, Kurt Olson, you guys know Curve had Kurt on 100 times during the. During the big steal. He knows this better than anybody is at the White House. He's special assistant for election integrity in reviewing the 2020 in the 2022 election. So right there, you just plug and play and let's get on with it. Birch Gold. Turbulent, turbulent, turbulent markets, particularly crypto and anything related to AI. We have brother Joe Allen here in a moment to talk about that. Birch Gold. Take your phone out. Text Bannon B A N N O N9898 98. Get the Ultimate Guide for investing in gold and precious metals in the age of Trump. There is no commitment when you get this and it costs nothing. You can review it, but you can get to Philip Patrick and team understand why Gold. What's the process that drove her from, I don't know, a thousand bucks to $4200? $4100. And what is that Pattern recognition. Tell you about future? That's the important thing. We're not here to sell you fish. Here to teach you how to fish for yourself. So go do it. Birch Gold, the team. Philip Patrick and the team. Do it today. Joe Allen. We have a cold open. They sign an executive order and they did.

[D]

They did. With closed press.

[B]

The Muslim Brotherhood has a few kinks in it. Laura Loomer is going to join us tomorrow. Alex Jones is going to join us tomorrow. Laura's going to walk through The E. The E.O. on the Muslim Brotherhood. Why? It has a few air pockets and it needs to be kind of reconciled. It's a start. It's a historic start. But we got to close. We got to. We got to stick the landing on the Muslim Brotherhood. Also, artificial intelligence. I've warned you about the weapons labs. They did a. They did a, you know, AI and it was closed press. I'm not. I don't know why, but we're going to get to the bottom of it. Let's play the cold open.

[F]

The Trump administration is pushing to expand AI in federal scientific research. Yesterday, President Trump signed an executive order launching the Genesis mission. The plan allows Department of Energy national labs to use AI while partnering with tech companies and universities.

[H]

He signed an executive order related to.

[B]

What'S called the now genesis mission. It brings together all of the 17 federal labs under the Department of Energy and part partners them with private companies and supercharges all of these projects with artificial intelligence.

[E]

This is the one place in the.

[B]

World where you can bring together biological data, national security data, data for material science, for chemistry, all in one place under one roof, where you can train models to accelerate scientific discovery. Knowledge grows faster than our ability to understand it. Trillions of data points, a universe of information still unconnected. Now a new instrument emerges, one capable not only of observing the universe, but of understanding it. Genesis mission will transform how science is done in America, uniting our brightest minds, most powerful computers and vast scientific data into one living system for discovery. Built on artificial intelligence and quantum computing, it will radically redefine the scale, speed, and purpose of scientific progress in America. Look, I understand the scientific process. We're all for it. We want to do it, but I don't know why we're selling chips to the advanced chips to the Chinese. And you got the arms dealer, Jensen Huang, and you got Lutnick and his crowd that are trying to force the sale of these chips. If we don't, we're not in an arms race. We're only in the arms race. If we want to be an arms race, we don't have to sell them any arms. None. How about this? How about zero for the Chinese Communist Party? Now let's get to the weapons labs. Joe Allen, succinctly tell me, because this kind of scares me. One living organism that's going to know all and be all. What are we doing here, sir?

[H]

Well, Steve, yesterday President Trump signed the executive order to launch the Genesis mission. Aside from the symbolic undertones of the name Genesis, this is under the Department of Energy, and it's being hailed as a kind of Manhattan Project for AI acceleration in the sciences. The ultimate objective is to create scientific foundation models, AIs that are specifically trained on what have previously been kind of cloistered and unpublished data sets and studies under the Department of energy. So the 17 national laboratories will open up their data sets to train artificial intelligence. And the objective, too is to have AI agents that can run autonomously to conduct experiments. And presumably they share many of the ambitions of the frontier labs. They would eventually have AIs that perhaps could formulate novel hypotheses. Now, underneath this is that you have five basic objectives. To accelerate biotechnology, to accelerate materials development, to accelerate semiconductor production and deployment, and also to accelerate quantum computing and nuclear technology.

[B]

Okay, okay, okay. The last time I looked, those five were kind of a variation of the, of the, the Chinese Communist party's, you know, 2020 manufacturing, 2025. The 10 industries, they want to dominate the top five, and those are close to it, drive you to a thing called the singularity, do they not, sir?

[H]

Yes, absolutely. I mean, this is right now very much in the nascent phase. For the first 90 days, they'll simply be assessing what hardware, what computing facilities are relevant beyond that, the software. But within a year, they intend to have fully or autonomous experiments being run under the system. Now, this is already happening in the private sector, Steve, I'll give you one really good example. Ginkgo Bioworks, who was so integral to the Biden EO on the Cancer moonshot. Ginkgo Bioworks runs biofoundries. Right? So you have these foundries that basically run autonomously, mutating microbes and assessing whether or not the mutations are effective and whatnot. Some of these biofoundries are right now under the direction of GPT5. So you already have this integration of artificial intelligence with autonomous laboratories that are conducting experiments. What the Genesis mission would ultimately yield would be that across all of the different sectors I just mentioned, and a lot relating to, of course, national security and weapons.

[B]

Okay. In those 90 days, what I would propose, and we'll, we'll stick our nose in this is we come up with the equity package. You, the citizens of the United States, own those. The government of the United States owns those weapons labs, some of the most famous labs in the world, the national labs, they call them. Now, if we're going to do all this, I'd like to know what we're actually paying for. And these guys own the equity. We have to have an equity package. I'm a toss out there. Just as an initial idea for David Sacks and Mark Andreessen to get their arms around 50%. We own 50% of every one of the AI companies. The American citizens own them. And I don't mean the government. I mean the shares get popped out to the American citizens because once again, once again, they remember.

[G]

They.

[B]

They came up with this labs thing immediately when the Chinese did deep seek. And they go, oh, my God, it's a Sputnik moment. We're in an arms race with the Chinese Communist Party. So what do we do? We sell them as many advanced chips as possible or give them to the UAE so they can be a wholesaler and then resell them. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We gotta understand, this entire cycle, the American people are being asked to secure debt. The American people being asked to give access to their weapons labs, to train these. Hey, that's fine. Maybe it's good. It sounds like a wonderful thing. What's the payment to the American people? American citizens own how much equity? So in the 90 days, they assess. Assess what? The ownership of the American people. And the opening bid is 50%. Joe, we gotta bounce. You're gonna be with us a lot. Tell us where people go to get your. Get all your information on Joe Biden.

[H]

Well, I tell you, Steve, I couldn't agree more. As far as the 50% equity for American people, this emphasis on the machine should definitely be shared by or redirected towards human beings, as in human Americans. I would actually just direct the audience to Frontier magazine. By chance, I have an article in Frontier which goes into the history of the nuclear project, the Manhattan Project. Near my hometown, Oak Ridge, Tennessee. I'm from near there. The title is How My Hometown Got Eugenicized. And you can see it's a print magazine. It's absolutely beautiful. Ben Braddock here with a cover story. His trip.

[B]

Yeah, this is the one that and his team over at the Blaze started. Is that it? Is that Frontier?

[H]

Yes. Peter Giedel is the executive editor, and James Poulos, of course, is involved. Ben Braddock with the COVID story. And they invited me to write about how My hometown got wrecked by the technological revolution. So you can actually find a link right at the top of my social media. X, Y, Z. And if you still love Print Culture Posse, this is a beautiful, beautiful edition. Volume five, Volume four.

[B]

No, no, we, we love magazines. We talk about maggots creating, being, you know, creating art and creating, you know, these alternative medias. Go check this out right now where they go to Frontier just to check out the entire magazine because I want people to do that. It's really a spectacular effort.

[H]

Because it's a kind of a convoluted link. I don't have it at the top of my head, but if you go to my social media oebot, XYZ on X or on Gitter, there's a link right there. You can subscribe, you can read it in digital form, but again, I really recommend get the print edition. So many excellent articles in here, so many great photographs.

[B]

Brother. Love you. Look, I'll talk to you tonight, hopefully get you back on tomorrow. Maybe before you take off. Joe Allen. D. Joe Allen.

[H]

Thank you, Steve.

[B]

The Genesis mission. Okay, I get the symbolism also about the singularity. I get that too. Get a drill down on this. Looks very interesting, very exciting. The American people love it. They want to own 50 of it because they deserve. They're putting up the money. Raymond Abraham, my favorite. Now, brother, it's a, it's a three book series. You've been with us since 2019, since we started the show with your first book, Sword and Scimitar. Then you came out with the classic, I think in 22 defenders of the west, of which I had a small party in, and the fact that I helped Raymond decide the final cover art. And then you've come up with a blockbuster about the warrior marks Two Swords of Christ. Talk to us today particularly. I had you and Joe back to back because of these two executive orders signed yesterday. You're an expert on the Muslim Brotherhood and you've been a great writer about the history of Christianity in Islam and to be blunt about it, your histories. The third part being the Two Swords of Christ is about the really the warrior kind of interactions between Christianity and Islam since the founding of Islam, is it not, sir?

[G]

Yeah, absolutely, Steve. That's exactly what it's about. I think the important point of the Two Swords of Christ, the new book is that it literally looks at the two swords of Christ, the verse where, where the disciples after Christ tells them, sell your cloak and buy a garment, he who has no sword. And they say, look, look, Lord, here are two Swords. And he says, that's enough. Now according to modern day Christian theologians, that verse means absolutely nothing because it doesn't mean anything about swords and so forth. But for the medieval Christians and especially the Crusaders, it actually meant that there are two swords to be used against two sorts of evil, spiritual evil, which modern day Christians still acknowledge, but also physical, secular, material, corporeal evil, human evil, human agency. And so that's how they understood it. And that's why I think it's ironic and people will be surprised when they look at the, read the book that it actually, this logic actually showed you how the most pious men, these men were monks essentially, okay, were also the most militant at the same time. And there was, there was no contradiction between the twain in their minds because they understood that what they were doing was in defense of Christ, Christendom, Christ's body, literally the, the church. And they, so they were regularly martyred and they were seen as martyrs. So I think it's going to be a very different take for most how most modern day Christians, including of the doormat variety as I've dubbed them, who believe that, you know, their job is just to be a doormat and be walked all over because that's what Christ apparently wants to see that. No, you actually had these extremely pious Christian men who are also more militant than any other character from history. And as far as the Muslim Brotherhood and what we're talking about today, I think it's, the continuity is really remarkable. When you see.

[B]

Yeah, hang on, hang on. We're gonna take a short break. Raymond Abraham on the other side.

[H]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[B]

We're going to have more about artificial intelligence on tomorrow's show. Make sure that in regards to your home, you know, every dream you have is in that home, including, I don't know, 80 or 90% of your net worth if you're lucky enough to own one. And the now average age of a first time buyer is 40 years old. Used to be like 21 or 22. 40 years old. Hometitle lock.com promo code Steve talked to Natalie Dominguez and the team. Do not let anybody get their mitts on that. AI, cyber attack, rogue lawyer, rogue accountant, rogue relative. Nobody should be able to monetize that. This is pennies a day, but get all the details. And also the restoration project. They have to have your back. From Natalie Dominguez. Hometitle.com promo code Steve Raymond Ibrahim. One of the reasons I love these books and they're so timely, they talk about history but they make history present. Right now we just designate the Muslim, or started to designate, we didn't do it, the Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist organization. Texas has done it. We're in a fight now. As you know and have chronicled. They believed in a church militant. Why is a church militant and two warrior monk orders from, I don't know, a thousand years ago. Why are they relevant today? And you need to read this book if you want to understand the situation we're in today, sir.

[G]

Steve without the church militants, Christianity would have died out a long time ago. And you know, I have a quote, I think in Defenders of the west from Teddy Roosevelt, president, who says exactly that. He says, he basically says if the Europeans, the Christians of Europe had not fought back, he specifically names the Muslims and he names all the long centuries, Christianity would have been snuffed out. And that's what most modern day Christians don't realize, especially those who sort of, you know, poo poo the modern day crusaders or the crusaders of history and say they weren't real Christians. If it wasn't for all the blood that they'd spilled on behalf of Christendom, there would be no Christianity, to be honest with you. And that's very self evident when you realize that three quarters of the Christian world was conquered and swallowed up till this very day by Islam. And I'm speaking of course of the older, richer, more profound region where Christendom was located and that would be North Africa and the Middle East. You know, all that was left was Rome in the west. But Constantinople, Alexandria, Jerusalem and Antioch were all swallowed up by Islam. And it continued century after century. And so that's what gave rise. You know, these people weren't militants by nature. They really like they were monks. Think about the Hospitallers, for example. Their whole life was to be hospice workers and serving pilgrims and helping them and taking care of their medical needs and feeding them and giving them their beds. But at the same time they also learned that the only way to really help the pilgrims was to go on the offense and preempt what was going to happen, which is an Islamic attack on these pilgrims who were coming to Europe. So they had no problem wedding, you know, Christian theology with militancy. And not just them, actually. This goes all the way back, remember to Augustine and so many other, I quote a lot extensively, St Bernard of Clairvaux, who's really the spiritual father of all military orders. And you know, he gives you all the verses and he shows you the militancy behind that. It's not just The Old Testament, by the way, as we saw with the two swords of Christ in Luke. So I think if modern day Christians, like I said, I call them doormats. And of course Christianity is, teaches love and peace and forgiveness and tolerance. But it's being pulled out of context as if that's all there is to it. What's great about Christianity is that, is that it tempered with violence but it still kept, you know, the necessary forms of violence and justice, such as just war theory, which all of course fused into what we know as chivalry. And that's what made it really great. But now we have this kind of mood where, oh, you can't do anything, you have to be a doormat and so forth.

[B]

Okay, okay, I'm announcing we're going to do a complete hour with Raymond to go through his whole three part arc of his story of these three books and give special attention to the military orders. The two swords of Christ. Everybody go where they go to order it right now. Raymond, where they go to your site for your writings and to order your books.

[G]

Thanks, Steve. Well, they can get it on Amazon. Today's the release date actually. So they, if they order it now, probably on Amazon, they'll get it maybe in a day or two and from any other online stores, I imagine. I doubt Barnes and Nobles is going to have it even though it's a bestseller. But. And also my website, Raymond Ibrahim.com has links to various books and you can also get signed copies of from there.

[B]

We're gonna do an hour special with Raymond next week. Raymond Abraham. Thank you. Thank you so much, brother. Appreciate and love the book already. Just fantastic. Want everybody to get it. Particularly if you got a young man in your life, give it to him. Understand this church militant tage. We only got your. Our warrior monk here at the War Room. You got Warpath Coffee. I only got a minute. Where do I go? We're going to need coffee over Thanksgiving. Where do people go?

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[B]

Love you, brother. I'll see you Friday as my co host, my wingman for both hours. Thank you, sir. One of the greats, the president United States is going to leave I think by motorcade because of the weather to Andrews. He's going to head down to I believe Mar a Lago for Thanksgiving. That'll be during the John Solomon hour. We've got an amazing hour for you set up also Mike Lindell. Talk about a warrior monk. Mike Lindell, what do you got for us today, sir?

[I]

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[B]

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