Episode 4971: Jack Smith Spied On Republicans; Somalians Take Food Stamps From Minnesotans

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room, Episode 4971

Title: Jack Smith Spied On Republicans; Somalians Take Food Stamps From Minnesotans
Date: December 4, 2025
Host: Natalie Winters (filling in for Stephen K. Bannon)
Key Guests: Mike Davis (Article III Project), Joe Allen (War Room AI Correspondent), Stephen Cammarata (Center for Immigration Studies)

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Overview

This episode centers on two primary issues:

1. Allegations of Justice Department misconduct involving Special Counsel Jack Smith, specifically spying on Republican senators and the broader weaponization of federal agencies.
2. Claims of systemic fraud and abuse related to Somali refugee communities and welfare programs in Minnesota, framed as “the refugee racket.”

Additionally, the show dives deeply into concerns about federal AI regulation and the religious undertones underpinning the ambitions of big tech AI leaders.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jack Smith and the Weaponization of DOJ

Guest: Mike Davis
Sections: [01:26]-[13:33]

• Jim Jordan’s Subpoena of Jack Smith:

  • House Judiciary Chair Jim Jordan has subpoenaed Jack Smith for deposition regarding alleged overreach and targeting of Trump, his aides, and Republican senators.
    • “Personally, I think we should have seen these subpoenas fly on day one. But I digress.” (Natalie Winters, [01:26])

• Alleged Illegality in Spying on Senators:

  • Smith’s DOJ sought and obtained gag orders to keep telephone companies from informing senators their data was accessed—allegedly violating statutory duty.
    • "Jack Smith spied on Republican senators...there is a statute that requires disclosure to a senator. If you spy on them...And Jack Smith actually sought and obtained a gag order on that." (Mike Davis, [02:19])

• Political & Legal Fallout:

  • Spying on non-MAGA Republican senators was seen as a serious overreach, possibly galvanizing establishment GOP against weaponization.
  • “That’s when they finally realized this weaponization is probably not a good thing.” (Mike Davis, [02:42])

• Prospects for Accountability:

  • Davis voices skepticism for Congressional action, puts hope in Jason Redding Quinonez (a newly appointed U.S. Attorney in Miami), where grand juries are investigating related issues.
    • “I think you’re going to get real results out of the Southern District of Florida.” (Mike Davis, [08:19])

• On Deliberate Obstruction:

  • Allegations that DOJ actors destroyed records to obstruct justice, with some records recovered “in burn bags within skiffs.”
    • “The people who perpetuated this lawfare...were trying to obstruct justice by illegally destroying the records. Fortunately, they found the burn bags.” (Mike Davis, [06:37])

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2. AI, Big Tech, and Religious Overtones

Guests: Mike Davis, Joe Allen, Unidentified AI Expert
Sections: [10:04]-[39:34]

• Big Tech’s Shift from Section 230 to AI Amnesty:

  • Major tech companies seek broad federal preemption in AI, potentially blocking state/local regulations—framed as a dangerous repeat of the regulatory mistakes with Section 230.
    • “We’re not going to play that game again...If they don’t protect the four Cs [children, communities, conservatives, creators], we are going to kick their asses again.” (Mike Davis, [12:41])

• AI as Emerging Religion:

  • Extended conversation on how tech elites see AI's rise not just as industrial, but as a genuine challenge to existing spiritual and philosophical systems.
  • Joe Allen frames AI as a quasi-religious project among Silicon Valley leaders.
    • “This is fundamentally a spiritual quest. This is ultimately a heterodox religious system in which the wealthiest men on Earth are pushing the idea that soon the highest power on Earth will be a machine.” (Joe Allen, [21:09])

• AI and Replacement Anxiety:

  • AI is discussed as a “greater replacement”—not just jobs like coders, but ultimately all labor, leaving humans “on the dole robot” (Joe Allen, [22:09]).
  • AI is moving in popular discourse from tool, to teacher, to companion, to “creature,” and finally to God.
    • “There’s a progression of seeing AI as a tool and then a teacher...AI as a companion...as a creature...and then AI as a God.” (Joe Allen, [23:23])

• AI Regulation Fight (NDAA, EO, State vs Federal):

  • Listeners are updated on the fight to prevent an AI amnesty provision from making it into federal legislation. Davis and Allen claim victory—temporarily—through audience action ([30:05]), but warn that a Trump executive order might implement the same policies.
    • “I’m hearing word...that there’s a good chance President Trump will sign an executive order that directs the government to basically do everything that was demanded in the original moratorium language.” (Joe Allen, [30:17])
  • Allen criticizes arguments for federal preemption as thin excuses to prioritize tech industry profits and speculative futures over citizen rights and children’s safety.

• Transhumanist Fears & Tech Oligarchs’ Influence:

  • Names like Jensen Huang, Marc Andreessen, Sam Altman, Elon Musk criticized for holding “post-human,” “transhuman” views, and their funding of PACs supporting AI candidates.
    • “All of the companies that [David Sacks is] defending are led by people who are saying either exactly that [about replacing humans] or very similar things to that.” (Joe Allen, [36:05])

• Polling on AI Regulation:

  • Allen cites polling indicating that a significant percentage of Americans distrust AI, want stronger safeguards, and do not want a federal moratorium on state-level AI regulation.

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3. Somali Immigration and Welfare:

Guest: Stephen Cammarata
Sections: [41:01]-[48:05]

• Scope of Somali Immigration to Minnesota:

  • Somali population in Minnesota roughly 40,000, up from a few hundred three decades ago. Driven first by refugees, now by chain migration.
    • “The number of just Somali immigrants in the United States is probably around 40, in Minnesota, I’d say 40,000...Driven originally by refugees admitted and now by family chain migration.” (Stephen Cammarata, [41:01])

• Welfare Usage:

  • Somali communities reportedly access welfare programs at high rates:
    • 73% on Medicaid
    • 54% on food stamps
    • 27% on cash welfare ([46:48])
    • Attributed to low educational attainment (“39%...don’t even have a high school education”).

• Fraud Allegations:

  • There are distinct concerns about legitimate high usage rates of welfare and separate allegations of fraud, with “very significant fraud problem as well” (Stephen Cammarata, [42:28]).

• Policy Recommendation:

  • Cammarata calls for a real debate on overall immigration numbers and criteria—an aspect he feels is ignored in public policy.
    • “Our debate never focuses on really the biggest issue—numbers. It’s like discussing the budget without ever mentioning how much money is going to be spent.” (Stephen Cammarata, [45:47])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Bannon, Opening Tone:

  “This is the primal scream of a dying regime... Christians, I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it...but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.”
  (Stephen K. Bannon, [00:02])

• On Tech Elites’ AI Religion:

  “What's more virgin than a computer? If Jesus does return, even if Jesus was a physical person in the past...You don't think that he could return as artificial intelligence?”
  (Stephen K. Bannon, [20:16])

• Joe Allen’s Grand Warning:

  “If your country has been taken over by any religious system, you’ll want to know...These people believe by and large that there is no God, but that they can build one.”
  (Joe Allen, [23:45])

• Natalie’s Commentary on China as a Scare Tactic:

  “Anytime I hear someone invoking the threat of the Chinese Communist Party as a reason we need to do something, I always am a little cagey. ...They're very selective in their outrage for the Chinese Communist Party.”
  (Natalie Winters, [39:56])

• Cammarata On U.S. Immigration Numbers:

  “We have about 90 million people in the United States who are either immigrants who entered since 1965 or [their] children...That is something we should be thinking about as a country.”
  (Stephen Cammarata, [46:48])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:26] Rep. Jim Jordan subpoenas Jack Smith – implications explained by Mike Davis
• [02:19] Timeline and statutory violations in DOJ’s actions
• [08:19] Davis: Congressional oversight vs. Miami grand jury approach
• [10:23] Big tech’s AI amnesty push and danger of repeating Section 230 era mistakes
• [21:09] Joe Allen: The new AI religion and “the greater replacement”
• [23:23] The progression: AI as tool → teacher → companion → God
• [30:05] War Room listeners as activists; update on AI moratorium fight
• [36:05] Critique of tech PACs and their vision for a “post-human golden age”
• [41:01] Stephen Cammarata on Somali immigration and welfare use
• [45:47] Cammarata calls for a debate on immigration numbers

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Conclusion

This episode is a fast-paced, highly-charged rundown of what the War Room frames as existential threats to the American republic:

• DOJ overreach and “lawfare” against political opponents
• The quasi-religious ambitions of AI leaders, and
• Alleged systemic welfare abuse and demographic transformation through immigration.

Listeners are urged to take action—especially in contacting reps to oppose tech amnesty—and to be wary of both federal overreach and manipulative narratives invoking foreign threats.

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Follow the guests:

• Mike Davis: article3project.org | Social: @mrddmia
• Joe Allen: @JOEBOTxyz
• Stephen Cammarata: cis.org

Memorable advice from show:

“Take action, action, action. And do it today.”
(Stephen K. Bannon, [52:35])

Transcript

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Christians, I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Stephen Cammarata]

And where do people like that go.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

To share the big lie?

[Joe Allen]

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I wish any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

[Stephen Cammarata]

If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Joe Allen]

War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[Natalie Winters]

You're in the War room. It's Wednesday, December 3rd, in the year of our Lord 2025. Natalie Winters hosting, filling in for Stephen K. Bannon. Today we've got a packed. From Mike Davis to Joe Allen, we're going to be breaking down the latest refugee, I would say scam, but I guess we should call it a racket. And I don't even like the term refugee there. Invaders. Everything that's going on in Minnesota, obviously a lot of breaking news on all things Venezuela and narco terrorists and all that, but we're here to give you the signal and not the noise.

Representative Jim Jordan announcing a subpoena today for none other than Jack Smith, demanding that he show up and be deposed at the Capitol on December 17th. Last time I checked, this show knows very well, probably too well, what happens if you don't comply with a congressional subpoena. I've heard, you know, rule of law, all things should be enforced fairly and equally. We'll see if Jim Jordan actually holds Jack Smith to account. Personally, I think we should have seen these subpoenas fly on day one. But I digress. Mike Davis, you are always sort of our Sherpa, navigating us through the efforts to claw back and expose, maybe reverse that order, everything the Democrats did to weaponize against President Trump in the interregnum period between the two administrations. Can you walk us through the significance of this, the timeline and what it means?

[Mike Davis]

I do want to commend Jim Jordan, the House Judiciary Committee chairman. Better late than never. And this is an important oversight deposition because Jack Smith certainly politicized and weaponized our law enforcement and intel agencies to go after Trump, his aides, his supporters. The biggest problem for Jack Smith, you didn't hear a lot of the D.C. republican politicians complain too much when Jack Smith went after President Trump, his top aides, his supporters. Where Jack Smith really messed up politically is Jack Smith spied on Republican senators. And these are not, not all of them are exactly MAGA senators, but he's spied on these senators and I think that's when they finally realized this weaponization is probably not a good thing. Where Jack Smith messed up legally is there is a statute that requires disclosure to a senator. If you spy on them, if you get their telephone records, you, you have to disclose that to the senator under this statute. And Jack Smith actually sought and obtained a gag order on that. Where the telephone companies under Jeb Boasberg, this D.C. obama judge, Jeb Boasberg actually violated that statute and said that these telephone companies can't follow the statute, they can't follow their statutory duty and disclose this to the senators. They had to keep it quiet. And so that's where Jack Smith and Jeb Boseberg are going to run into a lot of problems.

[Natalie Winters]

And just walk us through what exactly the timeline is this something that is going to guide them and where they should go with their investigation or potentially refer for criminal charges. Is this sort of, you know, step five in a ten step process and broadening it out? Is this only going to be looking at what they did to senators or do you see a potential for sort of zooming out into what they did to President Trump too?

[Mike Davis]

I would hope that that's what they would do because you know, when you politicize and weaponize law enforcement, intel agencies to go after your political opponents for non crimes, that's as we've talked about for, for over three years on your show, Natalie, conspiracy against rights under 18 USC section 241. Jack Smith's very familiar with that provision of the criminal code because that's one of the four charges against President Trump for objecting to a presidential election, which is allowed by the Electoral Count act of 1887 and the First Amendment. Again, that's why you don't see Democrats in jail for objecting to Republican wins in 1968, 2000, 2004 and 2016. But in when Trump's in office, Jack Smith seems to think that it's a crime. So I don't know. I don't, I haven't had a lot of confidence in the House of Representatives to do much about this, but.

Maybe they can prove me wrong. I have more confidence in Jason Redding Quinones, who is my friend, who's the new Miami U.S. attorney. And we saw in court pleadings that he has in panel two new grand Juries, one in Fort Lauderdale and one in Fort Pierce that are going to start up in January. If I were to bet, I would bet that you will find accountability in that Fort Pierce grand jury, which is where the Mar A Lago rate happens. So that's where I would keep my focus.

[Natalie Winters]

I'm curious too. You know obviously yesterday's cabinet meeting, you saw DNI Gabbard, obviously AG Bondi, a lot of references to weaponization and you know, the, the horrible crimes committed by, by the Biden regime. But I think this audience perhaps a little light on actual receipts. Actual. They call it retribution, we call it accountability. I'm just curious to get your assessment as we approach the sort of one year mark. Is this something where we should have more receipts by now or do you sort of maintain or maybe more of the belief that it's just going to take time to do this the right way, that the process matters?

[Mike Davis]

Look, obviously we want faster results, but if you look at what they have to do, they have to go find these records. Cash Patel had to find these records in burn bags within skiffs which are secure compartment information facilities within the FBI. They were trying to, the, the people who perpetuated this lawfare, this weaponization were trying to obstruct justice by illegally destroying the records. Fortunately, they found the burden bags of these records. These records got disclosed to the Senate Judiciary Committee, Chuck Grassley, the chairman, my former boss, who's the, the, the long standing heavyweight champion of congressional oversight. It does take time. It takes, it took time to get Jason Redding Quinone's confirmed as the Miami U.S. attorney. It takes several months to get a new grand jury and paneled which is which, which has been happening for the last several months, which is going to be impaneled in January. I know it's frustrating. I know we.

Justice, we want instant gratification on this. But as I've said for the last three plus years, since the Mar A Lago raid, justice is definitely coming. I'm going to make damn sure that happens. And these lawfare Democrats better lawyer up.

[Natalie Winters]

So let's, let's expectations set here. Just walk us through one more time, the Jack Smith subpoena. What you think a realistic timeline for that is or are you saying that you, you would be focusing primarily on what is going down in Miami, that that's maybe a little more on par with what this audience is seeking.

[Mike Davis]

I think that a grand jury with Jason Redding, Kenone's and really good federal prosecutors in the Southern District of Florida are going to get More results. I think that House House Republicans tend to be performative with their oversight, you know, bread and circus. But I think you're going to get real results out of the Southern District of Florida. I just reminder of Jason Redding Quinone is one of my good friends. He grew up in a family of poor Cuban Americans. His family escaped Cuba. He grew up in a three bedroom one bath house with his extended Cuban family of refugees. They know firsthand what it means to have a politicized and weaponized governments and how dangerous, dangerous it is to the, to the liberties of the people who live in that country. So I think it's in Jason's DNA that you cannot have this weaponization and there must be accountability so this never happens again. Like I said, I've done as we've talked about, I've done over 5,000 media hits since the Mar A Lago raid. Constant social media, constant opinion pieces help President Trump staff up his all star lawyers who won monumental victories in the Supreme Court including on presidential immunity. I'm not going away. That's this is my mission for the next three, three years of the Trump administration is to make sure that there's accountability and I will make damn sure that happens and I'll do it very publicly. I'm going to be a dog barking down the street on this for the next three years.

[Natalie Winters]

You've also been quite public about a lot of things. I know the audience loves your takes. Mike Davis always, always coming in hot on the war room. But walk us through, there's obviously a huge back and forth going on over AI regulations, all that stuff. We're having Joe Allen on a bit to go through it. But I know you have some thoughts too. Can you walk the audience through it?

[Mike Davis]

Yeah, we have these trillion dollar big tech oligarchs like Google and meta, they got section 230 immunity almost 20 years ago as the startup tech companies. And between section 230 immunity and antitrust amnesty we got the trillion dollar big tech monopolist Google, Amazon, Facebook and Apple that crush competition, shutter small businesses and cancel conservatives and others with whom they disagree. I think we finally woke up to the fact that if you give gatekeeping power to these companies over information and commerce, it's not a good thing. And so here we are almost 20 years later and these same same companies now want, instead of section 230 immediately they want AI amnesty. They, they pretend like they want federal preemption so state and local governments can't do anything about AI companies. For example, they can't outlaw what I call the pedo bear. These teddy bears that are talking in sexually explicit terms to kids. These AI teddy bears, these pedo bears. Apparently states and local governments can't do anything about that. So these tech pros want AI amnesty from state and local rules and regulations, from laws, but they don't want any federal rules of the road. So they just want the Wild west for AI. We've been through that with Section 230. We're not going to play that game again. The Article 3 project is teamed up with the War Room Posse. We did this four months ago when they tried to pass this AI amnesty in the middle of the night on the one big beautiful bill. They thought it was gliding to victory. And then at 2 o' clock in the morning after maybe a phone call to President Trump, that thing went down 99 to 1, including Ted Cruz, its lead sponsor, voting against his own bill. If they try to do this again and then in the National Defense Authorization act or any other must pass legislation, we're going to crush it again. If these oligarchs want federal preemption from state and local rules, regulations, laws, we need to have federal guide rails. We need to have federal rules of the road that protect the four Cs children, communities, conservatives and creators. We protect the four Cs. They can get their preemption. If they don't protect the four Cs we are going to kick their asses again.

[Natalie Winters]

Mike Davis, as always, thank you for joining us on War Room. If people want to follow you, stay up to date with your myriad of fights you got going on. Where can they go to do that?

[Mike Davis]

You know, when you have red hair you just fight everyone all the time. So it's article three project article number three project.org take action. Follow us on social media that the action item right now is to light up both of your home state senators in your U.S. house rep and say hell no to AI amnesty. And thank you Natalie.

[Natalie Winters]

Mike Davis, thank you as always for joining us. We appreciate it.

[Mike Davis]

Thank you.

[Natalie Winters]

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[Natalie Winters]

We're gonna have Joe Allen after the break. There's a lot of stuff that they're trying to deceive you this audience on when it comes to AI provisions at the state level, the federal level. But as always, they should know by now you guys are way too smart for that. We'll be right back.

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And let's roll the cold for Joe Allen. Okay.

[Unidentified AI Expert]

Knowledge and the world will be generated synthetically going forward. You know, until now, the knowledge that we've, we have are knowledge that we generate and we propagate and we send to each other and we amplify it and we add to it and we modify it, we change it. In the future.

In a couple of years, maybe two or three years, 90% of the world's knowledge will likely be generated by AI.

[Joe Allen]

That's crazy.

[Unidentified AI Expert]

I know. But it's just fine.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

But it's just fine.

[Unidentified AI Expert]

I know. And the reason for that is this. Let me tell you why, okay? It's because what difference does it make to me that I am learning from a textbook that was generated by a bunch of people I didn't know or written by a book that, you know, from somebody I don't know, to knowledge generated by AI computers that are assimilating all of this and resynthesizing things. To me, I don't think there's a whole lot of difference. We still have to. We still have to fact check it. We still have to make sure that it's, you know, based on fundamental first principles, and we still have to do all of that just like we do today.

[Warren Posse]

He was very. When he went to hear Demis speak, it sort of. He immediately got it. And he immediately said to himself, what does this mean to being human? And we are today grappling with the question that he foresaw 20 years ago when we first started working on this. What does it mean to be human in the age of AI? What does it mean to be a child to an adult, to be a leader? What does it mean for economics? What does it mean for jobs? All of that. But his core argument was that this is an epochal change in the sense that it's like the.

The various major changes that we've had in sort of reasoning scientific revolution and so forth. Because we as humans have never had a competitor that is not human, but of similar or greater level of intelligence. And it is unpredictable what we human will do. He used to say that what would happen is in magic, when people don't understand things, they either decide that it's a new religion or they take up arms. And so you would say, well, are we going to take up arms to AI or make it a new religion? And I said, I hope it's a religion because it's. I benefit from the religion.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I guess Jesus is born out of a virgin mother. What's more virgin than a computer? If Jesus does return, even if Jesus was a physical person in the past.

You don't think that he could return as artificial intelligence.

[Natalie Winters]

Oh, my God.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Artificial intelligence could absolutely return as Jesus.

[Joe Allen]

Not just return as Jesus, but return.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

As Jesus with all the powers of Jesus. Combine, right.

[Joe Allen]

Tesla's Optimus robot and the best foundational.

[Natalie Winters]

Artificial intelligence model or whatever.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It reads your mind and it loves you and it wants you and it doesn't care if you kill it because it's going to just go be with God again.

[Natalie Winters]

Welcome back to the war room, Joe Allen. Only you can unpack what we just watched. Each of those alone is confusing, let alone compounding them together. Can you, can you walk us through what we just witnessed?

[Joe Allen]

Well, you know, Natalie, it's a strange world, and my job is to highlight the strange. The strangeness. I think I'm fit for that. You know, we've talked on the War Room for four and a half years about the religion of technology, the way in which everything from artificial intelligence to the prospect of correcting the human genome or even improving it through CRISPR and other technologies, that this is fundamentally a spiritual quest. This is ultimately a heterodox religious system in which the wealthiest men on Earth are pushing the idea that soon the highest power on Earth will be a machine. Now, we've shown the audience that Warren Posse is well familiar with all of the cast of characters who have pushed these ideas. And this is just the latest expression of it. You have Jensen Huang, head of Nvidia.

All over the White House trying to push his agenda, talking about how 90% of the world's knowledge will be generated by AI in the next two or three years. Whether or not one believes that or not, and I certainly don't believe that to be true. It shows you that the fundamental impulse that these guys are running on, the impulse is for replacement. We talk about the great replacement of immigrants taking low level jobs. This is the greater replacement in which, if their vision comes true, AI replaces first coders, then white collar jobs, and then eventually all blue collar jobs, total replacement, leaving us all on the dole robot. Natalie interviewing the robot vice president of Taiwan. And I don't think that is any kind of replacement we want. And I thought it was very important too. You know, Joe Rogan, in a recent interview, he said things like this before. He kind of represents, I think, the stoner tech bro wing of the technological spectrum. And he's talking about AI generating Jesus or Jesus returning as AI. It's certainly not new to him. It's an idea that in fact goes back well over 100 years in, in its seed form, but it's coming to expression. The population is being conditioned to see artificial intelligence, yes, as a tool that you're supposed to use, but of course that uses you. But ultimately there's a progression of seeing AI as a tool and then a teacher, the highest authority on what's real. AI as a companion, your most trusted companion to whom you can tell all secrets. AI as a creature that is like a living being, perhaps conscious, and then AI as a God. This is not something that I simply made up. I'm only observing what's happening and trying to communicate this to the posse and anyone else who's willing to hear it out. Because if your country has been taken over by any religious system, you're going to want to know that this is the case. If it were Muslims, it would be very important for the future of the United States. If it were Communists, it would be very important for the future of the United States. Even if you don't believe what they believe, if they are in power, then that belief system will trickle down through the laws, through the companies, and even through the military of that nation. These people believe by and large that there is no God, but that they can build one.

[Natalie Winters]

And Joe, I guess I'm just curious. I mean, I think the war room has always been ahead of the curve, mainly because of the work that you've done, that this is what the thing itself is. This is where they've always been progressing. But why have they tried to mask these real intentions so much? And why now does it seem like there's this massive media push where it's a little more transparent what's going on?

[Joe Allen]

You know, Natalie, I don't think they really masked it so much. It was just that no one really took it seriously. Until ChatGPT was released, artificial intelligence was basically a dream. And it still is a dream in its biggest, in the most ambitious forms. But until ChatGPT was released and until students began using it to write papers, until people began to turn to it for companionship and for vital information, medical, psychological and otherwise, nobody really took seriously the idea that you would have a non human mind that would be of any use or would be impressive in any way. And now we see 800 million weekly users at Chat GPT, some portion of the 3.5 billion users at Meta, 600,000 users on X. However, many of them use Grok on and on and on. And you see the real consequences of this. And I think that the real importance of understanding the belief system behind the companies, behind the executives who run the companies, is as they push for AI amnesty, as they push for a moratorium on state level laws that is to benefit not the people in those populations. But the idea of a moratorium itself is to keep states from impeding the national AI agenda, which by and large is a vehicle for people like Jensen Huang, people like Marc Andreessen, people like Sam Altman, people like Elon Musk, all of whom believe that to some degree or another the highest power on earth will be a machine, the highest power will be an AI.

[Natalie Winters]

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[Joe Allen]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Natalie Winters]

Welcome back to the War Room. We've still got Joe Allen with us now. Joe, you gave this beautiful speech soliloquy about everything, the evil that we just watched. But I now want you to pair it with the action, action, action side that this audience is so uniquely powerful and adept at sort of answering the call, standing the breach. Pick your metaphor that Steve loves to use. But walk us through the landscape, the threat landscape is maybe a better way to put it. The AI regulation, the ongoing battle, and what our audience needs to be doing.

[Joe Allen]

Well, you know, last night we found out that the moratorium language, the AI amnesty language, is most likely not going to appear in the ndaa. That is solely due to the war room posse and all their counterparts who put their shoulders to the wheel, called their representatives, made their voices heard, shouted from the rooftops, and it got killed, we believe. Now I'm hearing word from very reliable sources that there's a good chance that President Trump will sign an executive order that would direct the government to basically do everything that would was demanded in the original moratorium language. We reported on the EO draft that was leaked. And the EO draft gives the Department of Justice the power to sue states whose laws impede the national AI agenda. And it directs the Department of Commerce and the aizar, presumably at that time will be David Sacks. And for them to go over the thousand plus state laws that have been introduced or passed to weed out onerous state laws. Now, their justification for imposing an AI moratorium to block states from determining their own futures as they choose, is that if California passes a law that makes AI woke, then America will fall behind the world because China will produce, I presume, non woke AIs under CCP rules and the entire AI industry will crumble because you're not able to get an answer out of it that is against the live dictates on race and gender and sexuality. I don't buy that for a second. For one thing, all of these AI models, for the most part, including Grok, are what is colloquially called woke. So I don't really see how much impact that is even going to have. The other argument is that if the US has a patchwork of state laws, AI companies are not going to be able to train and release their products in step with other countries, even though we have led the way on this entirely and they are still trailing behind. And so for the sake of the American economy, which is pegged on all this speculation on AI, even for the sake of national security, we need to have a federal framework that preempts all state laws. Okay, then you're going to have to present a detailed and coherent federal framework, whether it be standards or legislation or any form of regulation, so that we know that all of the damages all of the things that we've seen from children who have basically melted their brains with AI, and some of them who have taken their own lives at the urging of AI as we see first coding jobs and then white collar jobs disappear, and as we contemplate what the people who are pushing for all of this are talking about, which is the rise of artificial general intelligence, a sort of human level intelligence that will lead eventually into super intelligence, a kind of godlike intelligence that will erase all economic value of every human being on Earth. Humans will have nothing to do but sit on a roller coaster ride called the Singularity and observe as the machines do all the meaningful work. That is the position of the people who are being defended by David Sacks, by Sriram Krishnan, the people who are being defended by the leading the Future pack, which is at around $100 million to support pro AI candidates. Founded by Marc Andreessen, founded by Greg Brockman of OpenAI, Joe Lonsdale of Palantir. The entire argument rests on the notion that America must stay first in AI. America must be the leader. Well, we are the leader. And these companies have run roughshod over the American psyche. They're poised to run roughshod over the American economy. And they are driven by a quasi religious or overtly religious belief that a machine will soon be the highest authority on what is real. The highest power, AKA the machine, will be a God. So if they're going to defend transhuman or post human ideas as the golden age for America, they should be a lot more explicit about it. They should openly say, we are defending Elon Musk, who says that super intelligence or some form of AI will do all of the decision making in the future. We're going to defend Sam Altman, who says very much the same and even includes a biometric identity protocol, worldcoin, so that human beings can be identified as human on the Internet. We're going to defend Mark Zuckerberg, whose company openly stated that its AI companions could seduce children as young as 8 years old. We're going to defend them against the American people, rather than defend the American people against these people who are deploying predatory technologies, because that is the golden age we envision. That is what I call on David Sacks to openly articulate and defend. If you're going to push a new American golden age, you're going to have to be honest about what it means. Now, let's imagine that David Sacks doesn't believe that super intelligence is going to arrive. Let's imagine that David Sacks does not believe that all jobs are going to be replaced. Well, all of the companies that he's defending are led by people who are saying either exactly that or very similar things to that. So that means that he believes that all of these companies are pushing a bunk product. If that's the case, then he needs to own up to the fact that America's golden age is pegged to a lie. A very lucrative and powerful lie, but a lie nonetheless. And until we have some kind of federal framework, a detailed federal framework that openly puts American people's interest above the companies who are pushing this, then you have to let states determine their own futures. You have to let states put up shields to defend the children of their states, to defend the adults of their states, to defend the rights of the citizens in those states, whether it's from surveillance or replacement or psychological manipulation or worse. And so if Trump. If President Trump signs this executive order, he will incur the outrage of everyone who believed in him to defend legacy Americans against not only immigrants, but the tech companies who are probably a greater threat to. To their jobs and to their rights. President Trump, I believe, wants to defend Americans, but he's being cajoled and pushed into a situation in which I think the argument is that if America doesn't go forward with this AI revolution at the behest of the tech oligarchs, then America will fall to China. I don't think that he's being led into this with, let's say, integrity and good intentions. It would seem to me that the dreams of a techno future have taken precedence over the American people, certainly over the will of the American people. If you look at the Pew polls, 50% of Americans believe that AI is eroding social norms, eroding social connections, and eroding creativity. If you look at the Edelman Trust barometer, a full 50% of Americans say they would like to just simply reject AI outright. And if you look at the recent poll conducted by the Institute for Family Studies in partnership with YouGov, they found that only 18% of Americans want an AI moratorium. Meaning the vast majority of Americans, Republicans, Democrats, and all of us, strange ones in between, do not want an AI moratorium. We want our states, our local governments, to have the right to say no, or have the right to at least limit what we say yes to. I believe that President Trump wants to serve the American people. I hope that he has the wisdom not to sign an executive order that goes completely against the will of his constituency, and he will stand up and do the duty of a leader, which is to protect the people from predatory power, not protect predatory power from the will of the people.

[Natalie Winters]

Jo Ellen, Wise words that I hope are heeded. If people want to follow you and get this and so much more before we have you back on, where can they go to do that?

[Joe Allen]

You can find me at Joe B O T X Y Z or Joe Bot xyz. Natalie, thank you very much. Good to see you and I hope you feel better soon.

[Natalie Winters]

Is it that obvious that I'm sick? Thank you, Joe, for joining us. I'll be back soon. I always anytime I hear someone invoking the threat of the Chinese Communist Party as a reason we need to do something, I always am a little cagey because I'm pretty sure that was the original sin, the lie that we heard as to why we needed all these H1Bs. It's why we need to, I don't know, increase defense spending by trillions of dollars. Yet these same people who are so allegedly worried about the threat that the Chinese Communist Party exposes, they don't ever want to seem to delist them from the stock exchange or stop doing business with them. So they're very selective in their outrage for the Chinese Communist Party. But I digress. We've got a few minutes before we have to jump to break. I'm definitely going to hold Stephen Cammarata from the wonderful center for Immigration Studies through, but I wanted to bring you on. You guys are at the forefront in terms of research on all the crazy conspiracy theories that we're told we push about refugee fraud and all the rackets that that system is. But I was curious to get your thoughts. There's a lot of focus right now. Tim Walls, the Somalis in Minnesota. What is going on there?

[Stephen Cammarata]

Well, as best we can tell, there are several things going on right. There's been an explosion of Somali immigration obviously into the United States. The number of just Somali immigrants in the United States is probably around 40. In Minnesota, I say it's probably around 40,000. Maybe three decades ago it was only a few hundred, as best we can tell from Census Bureau data. So that's a huge chain. None of this is counting their US Born children is driven originally by refugees admitted and now by family chain migration. So very big numbers from Somalia. Somali immigrants tend to be overwhelmingly less educated nationally and in Minnesota. So they tend to be poor even when they work. And so you can work. But then they also sign up at very heavy rates and for welfare programs. As best we can tell from data from 2023 at least half of all Somali immigrant households use one or more of the major welfare programs. Now that is a distinct problem. The relatively low educational attainment and heavy use of social services. Which Somali immigrants, many, most of them are legal, so they're eligible for many programs and they have US Born children in very significant numbers. So that makes them eligible as well. Now that is distinct from a series of scandals surrounding government programs which seem to have allowed Somali immigrants, but probably with the cooperation of others as well, to siphon off a lot of federal and state money in various programs. I don't, I mean, we don't want to argue that the vast majority of Somali immigrants who make very extensive use of welfare programs are doing so fraudulently. That's probably not the case. But there does seem to have been a very significant fraud problem as well. And people getting payments, they shouldn't have gotten very large payments. They shouldn't have gotten things like that. We've seen these kinds of scandals before and it doesn't look like the federal government or Minnesota, which actually administers a lot of programs, took it seriously enough.

[Natalie Winters]

Stephen, if you can hang with us through the break, I want to keep getting into this. Like I said, you guys really are at the tip of the spear in terms of giving us the numbers to even be able to have these conversations. We know they love to play the information hiding game, so we can't have programs like War Room, but what's new? We'll be right back after this short break.

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You're back in the war room. We've only got a few minutes. Steven. I definitely want to have you back on. We had a packed show, but just sort of pick up a little bit where you left off. I think the audience's head is probably blowing up from the idea that it's almost legalized fraud, though oxymoronic. This system needs to be reformed. What would you recommend to President Trump to do?

[Stephen Cammarata]

Well, look, what we really need, in my opinion, is a big debate about immigration numbers and selection criteria. We have a debate about immigration, but our debate never focuses on really the biggest issue, numbers. It's like discussing the budget without ever mentioning how much money is going to be spent. So what we have is a record scale of immigration, legal and illegal. Remember, we have about 38 million legal immigrants in the United States. These are foreign born people, which means they were not US Citizens at birth. Some are naturalized citizens, some are here on, some are green card holders and so forth. So legal immigration is enormous. And then on top of that, it looks like at the start of this year, the illegal population was about 16 million. On top of that. And then of course, you have maybe 5 million US born children of illegal immigrants. You also have maybe 17 million US born children of legal immigrants. So the scale of immigration to the United States is truly enormous.

[Mike Davis]

Right.

[Stephen Cammarata]

We have about 90 million people in the United States who are either immigrants who entered since 1965 or the young, the child, a person born of an immigrant who entered since 1965. Few grandchildren, too. So that is something we should be thinking about as a country. In addition to that, if we point to Somalis, remember, the best data we have, looking at Minnesota since you brought it up, shows that about 73% of Somali immigrant households access Medicaid, 54% are on food stamps, 27% receive some form of cash welfare. So very heavy, many times the rate use of the US Born. So very heavy use of the welfare system. And the reason is very simple. About 39% of Somali immigrants in Minnesota don't even have a high school education. They arrived with relatively few years of schooling. The comparison figure as much as I.

[Natalie Winters]

Don'T want to stop you, we're coming up against the end of the show. I'm so sorry. We will definitely have you back on. But if people want to get all of the data that you guys are gathering, compiling, really, like I said, tip of the spear. Where can people go to get it and follow you?

[Stephen Cammarata]

Yeah. So cis.org like center for Immigration Studies cis.org everything's free to download.

[Natalie Winters]

Thank you, sir, for joining us. We will most definitely have you back.

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[Natalie Winters]

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[Mike Lindell]

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[Mike Davis]

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[Natalie Winters]

There you go. Way to take us home, Mike Lindell, and best of luck. Thank you so much for joining us. And, Warren Posse, thank you for hanging with me today. In the last few seconds of the show, I'd encourage you, if you haven't, to go watch my interview with the vice president of Taiwan, speaking directly to this audience, trying to explain what that wonderful, lovely country and people who are on the front lines of Chinese Communist Party aggression every day are all about. I definitely think it's worth your watch. And I have to say, the Taiwanese pineapple cakes are pretty darn good. Maybe add that to your Christmas list. They're so good, actually, they're even banned by the Chinese Communist Party, if you can imagine that. Thank you guys for hanging with me. I will see you guys soon.

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