Episode 4979: Corruption In The Brian Cole Case; Israel's Sovereignty

Summary

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Bannon's War Room – Episode 4979 Summary

Date: December 6, 2025
Host: Steve Bannon
Guests: Brett Jensen, Julie Kelly, Rabbi Pesach Wielicki, Taj Gill, Mike Lindell

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Episode Overview

This episode of Bannon's War Room centers on corruption within the U.S. justice system—specifically in the Brian Cole Jr. pipe bomb case—and dives into the controversy around Israel’s sovereignty and Middle East diplomacy post-October 7th. Additional topics include welfare fraud among Somali refugees in Minnesota, challenges facing American capitalism, and reflections on U.S. immigration and cultural assimilation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Economic Policy, Tax Deficits, and Capitalism ([00:51]–[07:17])

• Bannon introduces Scott Bessant, praised as "Mr. Fix It" for Trump’s economic team. Bessant is highlighted as a leader in tax policy and IRS reform.
  • “We still have a $2 trillion annual deficit and inflation ain’t going to come down all that much given what Biden did.” – Steve Bannon [03:14]
• Push for entrepreneurial capitalism: Bannon and candidate Brett Jensen (running in Texas) discuss reviving free-market capitalism.
  • "Every man and woman in this country gotta be a capitalist... They need just a piece of the action just to get their beak wet." – Steve Bannon [05:10]
• Critique of crony capitalism:
  • Bannon criticizes Elon Musk’s $800 billion SpaceX valuation: “I've said forever, the people of this country should own 50% of that... That's not capitalism, that's crony capitalism, that's corporatism. It’s got to stop.” [06:25]
• Jensen on campaign priorities: Advocates for “bringing back entrepreneurial capitalism” from the Hill.
  • “I love the idea of supporting capitalism by participating in it.” – Brett Jensen [04:39]

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2. Corruption in the Justice System: The Brian Cole Case ([07:53]–[21:46])

• Julie Kelly details prosecutorial misconduct in high-profile January 6th cases, focusing on DOJ prosecutor Jocelyn Valentine:
  • Describes evidence suppression and collusion with Judge Tim Kelly during the Proud Boys trial.
  • “She is among the worst of the worst…they were accessing [Proud Boys’] communication [with lawyers], and some other malfeasance.” – Julie Kelly [09:29]
• Bannon and Kelly lambast systemic corruption:
  • “She treats the proud boys...got a totally fair trial. She didn’t pull any fast ones. She didn’t entrap anybody. She was above board. Was she not, ma’?” – Steve Bannon (sarcastic) [09:48]
  • “No… that communication represents classified secrets...should be withheld from the jury, which, of course, Judge Tim Kelly went along with.” – Julie Kelly [10:03]
• Accusations of selective leaks and narrative control:
  • They assert the DOJ planted false narratives about Cole’s motives to friendly media: “That’s a bald face lie. And that came from her shop, did it not, ma’?” – Steve Bannon [12:09]
• Call for accountability:
  • “I don’t see how anyone can trust her to be in charge of this case…Do we trust this woman, given her track record, given her political alliances?” – Julie Kelly [19:21]
• Contextualizing justice in a 'Deep State' region:
  • "[Northern Virginia and DC]...That corridor...are all Deep State operatives...chock full of people working for the Deep State." – Steve Bannon [20:08]

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3. Israel Sovereignty & Middle East Geopolitics ([21:49]–[37:22])

Rabbi Pesach Wielicki’s Segment

• Critique of Trump’s new 20-point Middle East plan:
  • "The big flaw…is that it never says in the plan who’s supposed to disarm Hamas." – Rabbi Pesach Wielicki [23:03]
  • Turkey and Qatar, patrons of Hamas, are trying to circumvent disarmament and step in as ‘stabilizers’ in Gaza.
  • “They want to come in there and stand between the Israelis and Hamas and ensure Hamas future governance of the Gaza Strip…a dog and pony show.” – Rabbi Pesach Wielicki [25:00]
• U.S. policy miscalculation:
  • Argues Trump’s diplomacy is treating Qatar and Turkey like moderate Arab states, which undermines regional stability:
    -"The Turks and the Qataris are Muslim Brotherhood. They want to destroy the West." [25:27]
  • Israel’s political class (and public) firmly opposes any Turkish or Qatari military role.
  • “Netanyahu correctly is refusing [Turkish involvement], that’s the source of the tension right now.” [30:44]
• Argument for Israeli independence:
  • Suggests Israel could “go its own way,” end U.S. aid, and focus on sovereignty:
    -"It would be easy on the Israeli budget to just get rid of the U.S. Aid and go independent. And this leverage that the Americans continue to have in Israel's strategic decision making is not healthy." [35:58]
• Broader warning about appeasement:
  • "This is a major error. And the Qataris and the Turks are a regional threat...This is a very dangerous moment." [33:27]

Taj Gill's Commentary

• Middle East hopelessness and U.S. interventions:
  • “I don't know if we're ever going to see any resolution… they're all jockeying for power for land. It's control.” [38:08]
  • Criticizes the influence of foreign money in U.S. academia and culture.
  • “They want to dominate and control the U.S. politics… Hollywood, the news media, everything.” [38:53]

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4. Immigration, Assimilation, and Welfare Fraud ([39:29]–[41:05]; [47:30]–[52:17])

Immigration and Assimilation

• Bannon and Gill discuss issues with U.S. refugee resettlement:
  • “You can't train them because it's a culture that does not fit with Western Christendom. Let's just be brutally frank.” – Steve Bannon [41:06]
  • "They need to go through a proper immigration system where they learn about America, the Constitution, and assimilate. Just bringing them over here and putting them on welfare is not the way to do it." – Taj Gill [40:02]

Somali Welfare Fraud in Minnesota

• Stephen Miller alleges massive welfare fraud by Somali communities in MN:
  • "We believe the Somali fraud operation in Minnesota is the single greatest theft of taxpayer dollars through welfare fraud in American history." – Stephen Miller [47:30]
  • Accuses state government of complicity and predicts greater revelations.
• Mike Lindell’s Response:
  • Promises investigative journalism on the ground in Minnesota.
  • Ties Attorney General Ellison and Rep. Ilhan Omar to the scandal:
    -"Omar... her net worth in 2020 was $65,000. Now it's $30 million just a few years later." [49:04]
  • “It’s time to get serious about it... Ellison up to his eyeballs in this thing..." – Steve Bannon [49:51]
  • Lindell: "He’s been attacking me…wants to take down one Christian entity before he goes to the big house." [50:30]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.” – Steve Bannon, opening [00:01]
• "Every man a capitalist. Every man and woman in this country gotta be a capitalist... We've gotta turn everybody into a capitalist." – Steve Bannon [05:10]
• "She is among the worst of the worst... they were accessing communications between proud boys... and their attorneys." – Julie Kelly [09:29]
• “The Turks and the Qataris are Muslim Brotherhood. They want to destroy the West.” – Rabbi Pesach Wielicki [25:27]
• “I don't even know if we're ever going to see any resolution to any of these conflicts over there, Steve.” – Taj Gill [38:08]
• “We believe that the Somali fraud operation in Minnesota is the single greatest theft of taxpayer dollars through welfare fraud in American history.” – Stephen Miller [47:30]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Economic Policy & Tax Talk: 00:51–07:17
• Julie Kelly on DOJ Corruption: 07:53–21:46
• Rabbi Wielicki on Israel, Turkey, Qatar, Trump Middle East Policy: 21:49–37:22
• Taj Gill on Middle East, Immigration, Assimilation: 37:22–41:05
• Stephen Miller & Mike Lindell on Somali Welfare Fraud: 47:30–52:17

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Links to Guest Content

• Brett Jensen: jensenfortexas.com; @RealBrettJensen (X, Truth Social)
• Julie Kelly: X: @julie_kelly2; Substack: Declassified with Julie Kelly
• Rabbi Pesach Wielicki: Israel365 YouTube, X: @RabbiPW, israel365action.com, Jerusalem Post author page
• Taj Gill: warpathcoffee.com (promo: WAR ROOM)
• Mike Lindell: mypillow.com/warroom (promo: WAR ROOM); Lindell Recovery Network

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a comprehensive—sometimes incendiary—look at government corruption, Middle Eastern geopolitics, and what Bannon and his guests see as existential threats to American sovereignty and culture. With deep dives into DOJ misconduct and U.S.-Israel relations, it critiques both left-wing state actors and elements of Trump’s foreign policy, all while underscoring the need for grassroots activism, self-reliance, and accountability in government.

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Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot on.

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In the world to stop that, but.

[Steve Bannon]

You'Re not going to stop it.

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It's going to happen.

[Steve Bannon]

And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these had a conscience.

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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my.

[Steve Bannon]

Country, this country will be saved.

[Guest Host / Military Veteran (possibly Taj Gill)]

WAR ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Steve Bannon]

Saturday the 6th of December in the year of our Lord 2025. You know, we started in, in Doha with Matt Bole, but he did talk about some of the domestic issues and he brought up Scott Besant's name, the secretary treasurer, as you remember, a long time contributor here at the War Room over many years. And they said there's a new saying around DC In Besant or he said MAGA as he goes around the country in Besant we trust. Also, the New York Post had a article yesterday I put up on getter, I'm pretty sure I did that, called Bessant Mr. Fix it for President Trump on the economy. He's going to be going around the nation. He's going to take a big lead, I think in the, in not just the execution for President Trump or some of these issues on the economy, but also he's going to be one of the head guys in messaging, as you can imagine. We've had Joe Lavarnier and Scott Bessant, Secretary treasury, on the show talking about the big beautiful bill, which I keep telling these guys in the House you're not talking about enough. It's got so many great aspects of it. And look, I didn't love the whole thing. I thought we should raise taxes on the people over a million bucks. But the supply side part is, I think, very smart. And it's a bet you made. You can't unwind that bet. So you better, you better play it out. And I just don't think, I think the guys in the house are just kind of wandering around, to be honest. Under Johnson, there's no discussion of it. Scott best in Treasury. And So, you know, Mr. Fix it or investment we trust is kind of the saying. Now, Scott is the dual head. He also is right now kind of running the irs. And Scott Bessant understands we have a revenue problem. We still have a $2 trillion annual deficit and inflation ain't going to come down all that much given what Biden did. The cumulative effect of that in the financing these deficits, until you close that gap, that's a long way. That's a long wind up for saying if you got a tax issue, if you got a letter from the irs, if you failed to file, if you have any issue at all, remember, the IRS has a very strong opinion what they think you owe. You have a very strong opinion what you think you owe. That, that gap, okay? That gap, that arbitrage is what you've got to get sorted and it's very hard to do it on your own. This is why Tax Network USA, tnusa.com go check it out today or better call 800-958-1000. They've solved over a billion dollars of tax problems and there is nothing that you have or are in delinquent with the IRS or have a letter from the IRS that they haven't heard before. Your tale of woe they've heard before. Call them for a free consultation. Tell them the war room sent you 800-958-1000. You go to the website also tn USA.com promo code Bannon but better I think pick the phone up and call them, tell them your tale of woe and get the angst and anxiety off you and get an action program with the guys at Text Network because Scott Bessant going to get his money needs the cash. So if they, if he, and if, hey, if the IRS says they got it and they're not prepared to budge, you can't negotiate your way into something else, then get ready to write some checks. But in the interim, talk to Tax Network usa. Brett, Brett, we hope that you, that you pound through this. We can tell you it's going to be very tough. This is going to be one of the toughest years in American politics. And we've already come through, I don't know, 10 years of toughness already. Where do people go to find out more about you, more about what you stand for? You talk about, hey, I want to bring back entrepreneurial capitalism. I want to use the Hill because that's where all revenue bills, by the Constitution, taxes and revenue all come from the House. You want to be part of that in returning the nation to really free market capitalism. I want people to know where to get you on social media and where to get you on and where to get your campaign. So where they go.

[Brett Jensen]

Thanks, Steve. The Campaign is Jensen for Texas. You can reach us at the Website Jensen for Texas.com on X, on Truth Social, Instagram. And you can reach me, I'm at Real Brett Jensen on X and on True Social. So I appreciate everybody's support. We've got a capitalist store up there. I love the idea of supporting capitalism by participating in it. So, so that's where we have hats and shirts and all that kind of stuff.

[Steve Bannon]

Every person, every man a capitalist. Every man and woman in this country gotta be a capitalist. The problem we have, we have a system that's a capitalist system with no capitalists, very few capitalists. We've gotta turn everybody into a capitalist. That means they've gotta own a stake in the system. They need just a piece of the action just to get their beak wet. How about that? I don't wanna bring up a very. I haven't put it up yet, but Elon Musk. Okay folks, take your number two, pencil out. Huge story today, I think was in Financial Times, Elon Musk doing a private, doing a private equity deal right now for, for what is it the SpaceX. SpaceX, I don't know. First value is $5 billion. Last one they had, I talked about $380 billion. Okay, remember that? He got his guy Isaacman, and we fought that like crazy. This guy's a left wing Trump hater. Camilla Harris, Kamala Harris supporter, True Trump hater. You can't put, I mean, a true Trump hater. As of October, November 24, they reversed the decision President Trump made. They get him back at, at NASA because Space X does, I don't know, 97, 98% of the launches.

Elon Musk is telling his investors he's going to do another round right now. Valuation of SpaceX. Wait for it, $800 billion, 100% government contracts. And I've said forever, the people of this country should own 50% of that. The people of this country should own 50% and it drives them crazy. But hey, that's just reality, bro. $800 billion and he's talking about taking it public next year. This is the entire reason Isaac Min is back at NASA. So that's the way the system works, folks. Just saying. That's not capitalism, that's crony capitalism, that's corporatism. It's got to stop. Brett. Good luck, sir. You're going to go into one of the toughest fights humanly imaginable. But we wish you good luck and look forward to getting updates from you, sir.

[Brett Jensen]

Thanks, Steve, appreciate it.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank You. Thank you, brother. Down in the. To the ramparts down in the Houston area. Good God, do we need fighters. And we particularly need fighters. You know, populism is not anti capitalism. Right wing populism is about entrepreneurial finance, entrepreneurial capitalism. Not the statism, not the crony capitalism and the state capitalism that the oligarchs are trying to drive this system towards. Julie Kelly. Now, Julie, you've been in these courts about.

The trials of the J6 people and President Trump and Peter Navarro and Steve Bennett and a host of Tom Barrack and a host of others. So you know this better than anybody because you were essentially an eyewitness to this. Now, you have also been since Darren Beatty's in the government and Raheem's doing other stuff right now. You're really one of our lead watchdogs, if not the lead on this whole thing with the pipe bomb. And you inform me last night, and I can't believe it because my. My head's still blown up from when you told me that the FBI agents and the lead attorney, the prosecutor on this case with the pipe bomber is one of the worst prosecutors, one of the worst demons that were out there prosecuting the J6. The J6 folks. How could that possibly. Julie, you must have gotten this one wrong. Your track record's 100%. But on this one, Julie Kelly must be wrong. This can't possibly be true, can it?

[Julie Kelly]

Ma', am, as I tell my husband all the time, of course I'm right. Yes, I'm right. I'm never wrong. Never. Unfortunately, I wish that this was not true.

And I guess my only.

Thought here is that the new leadership at the DOJ and FBI are not aware of who this individual is. Jocelyn Valentine, who was the lead prosecutor, she led the team of government lawyers, DOJ lawyers who went after the proud boys.

And I covered that trial. Right. I covered that in 2023. She is among the worst of the worst. When I was asked to help submit names of J6 prosecutors who should be fired, she was towards the top of the list.

So I have no idea.

[Steve Bannon]

Julie, Julie, Julie, Julie, Julie. Hang on, hang on. She treated the proud boys, got a totally fair trial. She didn't pull any fast ones. She didn't entrap anybody. She was above board. Was she not, ma'?

[Julie Kelly's Husband (off-screen)]

Am?

[Steve Bannon]

Why are you picking on her?

[Julie Kelly]

She was not. And I have a piece up that I posted last night when I disclosed this, that Jocelyn Valentine is the lead prosecutor in the Brian Cole Jr. Pipe bomb case. I covered her. And this was A huge scandal during the Proud Boys trial that, of course, no one was covering. But the defense team discovered the spreadsheet of FBI correspondence going back and forth, where agents were talking about destroying evidence. They were talking about surveillance, spying, on, eavesdropping, on communications between Proud Boys, who are all in pretrial detention, federal prison, and their attorneys. They were accessing that communication and some other malfeasance. So the defense team found this spreadsheet accidentally, of course, and they wanted to use this as evidence. They were at the time questioning an FBI agent, a government witness, and they were going to start presenting what they found in the spreadsheet. Judge Tim Kelly, who, by the way, is good friends with Jocelyn Valentin. They worked together in the D.C. u.S. Attorney's office. They worked on cases together. Judge Kelly abruptly cuts off the questioning as the defense attorney is about to present this evidence to this government witness. A day or two later, Jocelyn Ballantyne goes into court, claims that that communication represents classified secrets, classified information, and should be withheld from the jury, which, of course, Judge Tim Kelly went along with. That's just one example of what she did, leading this team of prosecutors against the Proud Boys, who were, of course, then convicted of seditious conspiracy. Then she went ahead and tried to throw the book at them and put some of them in person for life, like in Lisa Tarrio, who ended up getting a 22 year prison sentence until, of course, they were all commuted by the President.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. With all the phoniness and their lies because of the pipe bomber, which Ray and the FBI could have found in the first 24 to 48 hours. Full stop. If that story had come out on January 7th or 8th, there wouldn't have been any of this madness. These people are corrupt and she's one of the worst. And Pam, I know, Bondi, I know you're overwhelmed. And they're lawyers that won't come to work because Republican law firms say if you work for Trump and the doj, you'll never get a job in a big law firm. This system is totally corrupt. But you gotta turf out, why is she still there? She's one of the worst of the worst. She sent innocent men, innocent men that really hadn't done anything for the seditious conservatives. Another whole fiasco. This is where they wanted to send Trump to prison forever. They sent one guy for 22 years, but they were looking for life sentences. They destroyed so many families, they destroyed so many men. She's one of the most demonic there. What is she still, and I'm telling you another thing, Julie, when you saw this bizarre leak that came out, the very first leak that came out of there was, oh, this guy was really upset about Trump lost the election. That's a bald face lie. And that's how they get the media spinning because all the left wing media ran with, oh, this guy was really upset about that. That's a bald face lie. And that came from her shop, did it not, ma'?

[Julie Kelly's Husband (off-screen)]

Am?

[Julie Kelly]

Okay, but I don't know if it's a bald face lie because as I also posted, one of the FBI, FBI agents involved in the Proud Boys case signed the arrest warrant for Mr. Cole. Was this agent involved in the, what we're told, four hour questioning of Mr. Cole the other day? Would this agent have asked him, for whatever reason, nefarious purposes perhaps, if he believed that the 2020 election was stolen? I don't know that that question was not presented. And actually I sort of believe that if one of these agents or she was involved, that they did for this precise reason to leak it then to CNN or Fusion 10 or whoever reported it first, that immediately erased what earlier reporting that he was a left wing antifa BLM kid. So we need to know if that question was presented to Mr. Cole who presented that question. It certainly wasn't Cash Patel who presented it and who leaked it.

[Steve Bannon]

Julie, hang on for one second. Just hold your short through a break. I know you got to bounce, but I got a couple more questions on the other side. Julie Kelly, stick with us.

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Should this individual be one removed from the case, but more importantly, just removed from the building like today? I mean, I don't know why. We have these people that are Trump haters, MAGA haters that destroyed families, that pulled the crap that you're talking about, which I think should have immediate mistrial. You got evidence right there, and you're working hand in glove with a judge who they should have ruled. She shouldn't have even been able to try it before him because of conflicts of interest. They knew each other.

She's deals that she deals from the bottom of the deck. It's a classic Deep State operative, right? A classic Deep State operative. And this is the problem in the Justice Department. Shouldn't we turf her out immediately, ma'? Am?

[Julie Kelly]

Yes. I mean, I don't see how anyone can trust her to be in charge of this case. We already apparently have a leak.

You know, to create this narrative about Mr. Cole. So that's problematic. And look, the DOJ has 30 days to get an indictment before a grand jury. So he was arrested and charged on a criminal complaint. You then have 30 days to file a criminal indictment, get that before a grand jury, and get an indictment on those two charges, maybe possibly more. Do we trust this woman, given her track record, given her political alliances?

That's in the.

[Steve Bannon]

And these grand juries are not layups. These grand juries are coming from areas. This is Northern Virginia. This is all. DC Goes all the way to Fredericksburg now. And it's. It's become radicalized. This is why the Commonwealth, Virginia, you ain't going to get it back. Because the Deep State is all the way. That corridor from. From Dulles up to the Beltway is all. Those are all Deep State operatives. All those companies, all those buildings, those nameless, faceless buildings. They're all chock full of people working for the Deep State with big money, Defense Department, intel, AI, all of it. It's sick. And so it's these. These grand juries that we saw with Tish James are not layups. Anyway, Julie, you explained it all on. On your substack. Where do people go? Will bug you early in the week on this, but this is one people gotta read over the weekend and share. And somehow, and I realize Pam is strapped because the law firms are saying if you work for Trump's Justice Department, you're not gonna work for us. And that's tough. They're having a tough time getting lawyers. But you gotta make some tough calls here. This woman has got to go. Don't ask us. Ask the proud boys. Ask their families. Ask what happened to those families, how they were shattered. Julie Kelly. Where do people go to get all your content?

[Julie Kelly]

Ma', am, I'm on axjulie. Underscore Kelly2 and substack is declassified with Julie Kelly so we can catch up more next week as this kind of unfolds.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, ma'.

[Julie Kelly's Husband (off-screen)]

Am.

[Steve Bannon]

Appreciate you. We're getting your hair and makeup so we can see the lovely visage of Julie Kelly. So when you're telling. We see what your husband sees when you tell him. I'm always right. I want to see that in a full screen. Okay. Thank you, ma'.

[Julie Kelly's Husband (off-screen)]

Am.

[Julie Kelly]

Okay, bye.

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[Julie Kelly]

Am.

[Steve Bannon]

Rabbi Pesach was Walecki, sir, there's, you know, you've been on fire in these writings. We cover you quite closely at the war room. There's peace in Gaza. We got a peace deal. We got negotiators. What are you bitching and moaning about now, sir?

[Rabbi Pesach Wielicki]

Well, According to Trump's 20 point plan, Hamas was supposed to be disarmed in the first stage of the plan. Of course that didn't happen. And now what we're seeing is that the turn, the Turks and the Qataris are doing everything in their power to ensure that Trump's 20 point plan, which was supposed to move to a Gaza strip without Hamas, meaning a post Hamas Gaza Strip, they're trying to ensure.

[Steve Bannon]

But hang on, hang on, hang on. But hang on, but hang on, hang on. You're talking about the underwriter. You're not talking about two, just random parties. You're talking about underwriter Qatar and you're talking about. Last time I looked, I thought the entity Turks, the Turks that we ran out of there in World War I. They're now back to oversee the Arab Legion that's going to come from Saudi Arabia, uae, Egypt. The Turks are going to be in charge of security, sir.

[Rabbi Pesach Wielicki]

Well, that's never going to happen. That's the idea. This international. Let me back up and just level set here just in case people don't know how this plan was supposed to look and how it's turning out. Because according to the Trump plan, phase one, Israel would withdraw to an internal perimeter, which they did, which is now known as the yellow line, if you're following it basically cuts the Gaza Strip in half. Most of the Population is on the Hamas side of the yellow line. And that was according to Trump's 20 point plan. That is to facilitate the phase one. Phase one is the exchange of hostages and prisoners, allowing in humanitarian aid, and the disarmament of Hamas. And the big flaw in the Trump 20 point plan is that it never says in the plan who's supposed to disarm Hamas. We talked about this last time I was on your show. It never says who's supposed to do it, but it is a precondition for the future stages of the plan, which involve, once Hamas is gone, bringing in an international stabilization force from moderate Arab states overseen by the Egyptians and the Jordanians, which will secure the peace and become a security force. Meanwhile, the Palestinian Authority is supposed to go through reforms, and as Gaza is stabilized, Israel will gradually withdraw. That's what the plan refers to. And now in Doha today at the conference, both the Turkish foreign minister, whatever his name is, Feetan I think is his name, and the Prime Minister of Qatar both said that it's time to bring in the international stabilization force and that it has to happen before Hamas is disarmed and that they should stand between the Israelis and Hamas on the yellow line and they should move to the second phase of the plan. Let's be very clear of what's happening here. The two patrons of Hamas, Turkey and Qatar want to move to. They want Hamas to not be disarmed and an Arab military. Basically, the Turks are the only country that actually wants to provide troops to the thing.

[Julie Kelly's Husband (off-screen)]

They.

[Rabbi Pesach Wielicki]

They want to come in there and stand between the Israelis and Hamas and ensure Hamas future governance of the Gaza Strip. Of course, they won't be called Hamas. They'll hand their weapons over to someone else, which will just be another Hamas guy not called Hamas. It'll all be a dog and pony show. Look, Steve, the bigger issue here is really not even an issue only for Israel. Israel is only the current situation. It's a bigger problem with Trump's current foreign policy vis a vis the Middle east, and that is that he's trying to thread a needle that is not really threadable. The Trump administration is treating Qatar and Turkey as though they are part of the same group of nations as the Emirates and the Saudis and the Jordanians and the legitimately moderate Arab states who actually want peaceful engagement and economic engagement with the west rather than to take the west down. The Turks and the Qataris are Muslim Brotherhood. They want to destroy the West. That's why Qatar is the number one donor to American universities, and they Have Al Jazeera and all that they do. Everyone in the Middle east knows this. The Saudis and Emiratis want no part of the reconstruction of Gaza or the international stabilization force if the Turks and the Qataris are involved. They almost went to war with Saudi Arabia in 2017. I'm sorry, they almost went to war with Qatar in 2017 over Qatar's support of terrorist organizations. So the Trump administration behaving as though the Qataris and the Turks are part of the peaceful, moderate, pro Western Arab states like those other states is a major miss and it dooms to failure all of these efforts. It's a really big problem. And what's happening now is that phase.

[Steve Bannon]

Two of cannot move forward. I know, but hang, but hang on, hang on for a second. You've got not just Marco, but the tip of the spear, correct me if I'm wrong, is Witkoff and Jared. Jared's the architect of the Abraham Accords, which you would admit was a very smart way economically to try to tie people together logistically. And then we'll figure out the politics later. The big supporter of that was uae. So how do you have a situation where the guys that should know it the best and are working with people non stop. And you've had the president really with Qatar with kind of open arms. They know this better than any. And you have the architect of the Abraham Accords, which is the thing you just referred to. And in fact answer this after you go through the break that they're the ones that are negotiating and making sure that Turkey is kind of the military coordinator or the security force coordinator and Qatar is the is writing the checks to underwrite. Anyway, Rabbi, hang on. We're going to take a short commercial break. I want to go back to my patron supply my patriotsupply.com promo code. Bannon. Okay, let's be honest. You never thought it would get this far.

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You know, the Navy and the Naval Academy. And then in the Navy, when you say you're gonna have a come round, it's when an enlisted man or junior officer comes to a senior person and you kind of get your ass chewed. Is it not true that Netanyahu is having a come round either at the White House or Mar a Lago because you know, he's going the Greater Israel Project, Imperial Israel still there. And now he's bombing the hell out of Syria. And President Trump's saying, look, dude, you got to start working with people and knock it off. Isn't the problem here that Israel's just not prepared to work with Syria, to work with Turkey, to work with Qatar, sir?

[Rabbi Pesach Wielicki]

Well, I disagree with you on that, Steve. Israel doesn't want to work with proxies of the Turks. Erdogan has basically cut off diplomatic relations with Israel, doesn't allow Israeli ships into his ports. He speaks openly about his support for Hamas and his desire to destroy the state of Israel. And Ahmed Ashara is a Turkish proxy. Let's remember his HTS terrorist organization which toppled assad was funded and armed by the Turks. The Turks are currently trying to rebuild the Syrian military. He is a Turkish proxy, let's just make be very clear. And that is why Erdogan also is trying to take control of the International Stabilization Force and Gaza. And Netanyahu correctly is refusing that that's the source of the tension right now, because the Turks are not the Saudis, they're not the Emirates, they're not an Arab nation that is in the kind of Abraham Accords, reconciliation, economic cooperation model with Israel. They are a hostile. They're a hostile party. Erdogan speaks openly about trying to recreate the Islamic caliphate.

He now has control of Syria and he wants to be in Gaza so that he can take control there and replace the Iranian situation. Before October 7, Iran had Hezbollah threatening Israel on the north. They were also entrenched in Syria and they had Hamas, which was an Iranian proxy in the south. Erdogan just wants to replace the Iranians.

As the Islamic hegemon in the region. He wants to replace Iran as the threat to Israel on its borders. But as I was saying before the break, Steve, there's a larger problem for Trump's foreign policy that has nothing to do with Israel. And that is that the other nations in the region, the other states in the region who know what Turkey is and they know what Qatar is, are very nervous about this love affair that the Trump administration is currently having with the Qataris and the Turks. It doesn't really make it into the American media much, but the Emirati.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on, hang on. I know, but we talk about it all the time.

But here's where I'm lost now. You've confused me. Tel Aviv, Levin, Ted Cruz, yourself, the whole Israel first crowd loving on Trump. The greatest ever, the greatest foreign policy. Now he's coming up with solutions because Americans are not going to support it. He's got the Turks, he's got Qatar and at least the Arabs. The Saudis may not like it and the UAE might not like it, but this seems to be guys are prepared to step in and do something. All of a sudden Israel says it's a non starter, it's not going to happen. Is Israel. I know Laura Loomers called for it. You've called for it very reasonably. Is Israel saying, hey, if this is what it's got to be, we just got to go our own way, sir.

[Rabbi Pesach Wielicki]

That, listen, that's what we're going to have to do. And Netanyahu is going to be under a lot of pressure domestically. There's no one in Israel, right or left, who wants the Turks involved in anything. Look this with. I am the, I'm the greatest fan of President Trump. He, what he's done in the Middle east, the gifts that he has given to Israel are unlike any by any American president in history, full stop. It's not even close. But that doesn't mean that he isn't making a grave error right now with this Turkish Qatari situation. The contrast between this and Trump's first term is so stark. Where in the first term it was real peace through strength, and here peace through strength meant that the way that you encourage bad actors to behave is with the credible threat of their removal. And this kind of appeasement type thing where if we take this jihadist Ashara, who's aligned with the Turks, who are Muslim Brotherhood, and we just kind of talk to them and give them the right incentives and try to give them a bear hug and bring them into the family of nations, they'll behave themselves. It just doesn't work. That's the type of thinking that led to the Iran deal from the Obama administration. This is a major error. And the Qataris and the Turks are a regional threat. And that's why the other Arab nations that the Trump administration wants a good relationship with wants nothing to do with them. They've already said the Saudis and the Emiratis said they will not be part of any project in Gaza that involves the Turks and the Qataris. The Greeks just bought $3.5 billion of air defenses from Israel. And they openly said that it was because of the threat of Turkey on their border that they see as increasingly hostile. And yet the Trump administration is acting as though these are regional partners who are peaceful and who could work towards a peaceful resolution with Israel. It's not true. This is a very dangerous moment. And again, this is not just about Israel, what Israel's gonna do. I hope that Israel stands firm and that we end the aid once and for all. I mentioned the $3.5 billion that the Greeks are just paying the Israelis this week for these air defenses. Guess what, Steve? That's the same amount that Israel gets from the US Every year in military aid. Israel has also sold weapon systems last week to Germany. Israel could make up all the 3.7 billion they get from the US from a few arms deals that they're starting to get involved with now. That is, it would be easy on the Israeli budget to just get rid of the US Aid and go independent. And this leverage that the Americans continue to have in Israel's strategic decision making is not healthy.

[Steve Bannon]

Well, this will play it on. This meeting, I think, with Netanyahu is very, very important. Rabbi, where do people go? You've got writings up everywhere. You're putting columns up, analytical pieces. But you also are up on YouTube putting out great explanations of all this in 8 to 10 minutes. Where do folks go to get all your content?

[Rabbi Pesach Wielicki]

Sir, thank you very much. Israel 365 YouTube channel three times a week we put out YouTube videos. They're not just like news pieces. They're in depth analysis in short form, 10 to 12 minutes of what's going on. Go there Sunday, Monday, Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday every week, Israel365 on YouTube. I'm on X Rabbi PW and go to israel365action.com and you could also find my author page at the Jerusalem Post, where I'm a regular columnist.

[Steve Bannon]

You agree with me that this has got to be about the sovereignty and independence of Israel. If you're going to, because you can see where this is headed, right? You're not going to reverse that. So you're going to come to, we're going to come to the river and you're going to have to make a decision, a very big decision made in the next 60 days for the whole Middle east approach.

[Rabbi Pesach Wielicki]

For the whole Middle east approach.

This pretend game that Qatar and Turkey are peaceful and it's going to hurt America with other regional partners here. This is not just about Israel.

[Steve Bannon]

Rabbi, thank you. Look forward to having you back on next week.

[Rabbi Pesach Wielicki]

God bless you, Steve.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, sir. Taj Gill, your misspent youth part of it was misspent over in that region, right? Was it 16 tours between Navy SEAL and, and contractor, which is really Navy Seal without the health benefits in the pension. What. How many? How many? So give me your thoughts on this whole thing before I talk about your great coffee, give me your thoughts.

[Guest Host / Military Veteran (possibly Taj Gill)]

Yeah, you know, I was in and out of the Middle east since 2001 till 2014 was the end of 2013 was my last trip. So, yeah, 16 times in, you know, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Horn of Africa, all that stuff.

I don't, I don't even know if we're ever going to see any resolution to any of these conflicts over there, Steve. You know, you got the, the Muslims, the Jews, the Christians, they all hate each other. They're all jockeying for power for land. It's control.

I think, I think, I think if Trump would have got back in office in 2020, those Abraham Accords would have held and we'd be in a much different place than right now. But under, under Biden, October 7th happened and now it's everything spiraling out of control. We'll see. We'll see if Trump, if Trump, Trump and his crew can get this stuff to hold. But it's, we're going to.

Now you have all the influence in the U.S. right? So that, like you said, Qatar is putting the money into the colleges. You know, Israel's putting the money into colleges. Everybody's. And then you have the Marxists and socialists and communists from China and wherever else. Everybody's putting money into our colleges. Everybody wants control over the US they used to just want to come here and seek refuge and get a better life, but now they want to dominate and control the U.S. politics. They want to dominate and control the U.S. hollywood, the news media, everything. So that's the problem. So how do we fix that? I don't know.

[Steve Bannon]

You know these neighborhoods. So we got 100,000 plus Afghans here that are all out of control. You've got, you fought in the Horn of Africa. They got Somalians here. They've taken Mike Lindell here. I'm telling you, this is one of the biggest scandals going, folks. And I keep saying this is the key that picks the lock. You can take down the whole left wing Democratic apparatus around this thing. The corruption, the kickbacks, the money laundering, all of it. The Somalians you fought in the Horn of Africa, would you invite, I've been to Somalia and you know, Afghanistan. Would you invite Afghanistan in Somalia to come to the United States of America, sir?

[Guest Host / Military Veteran (possibly Taj Gill)]

No, I would not. And if they, the ones that do come here, they need to go through a proper immigration system where they learn about America, they learn to love America, they learn about the Constitution and they learn to assimilate. Just bringing them over here and putting them on welfare is not the way to do it. Because then they, they bring what they're running from here and then they build these communities of, of extremism. Some. I've been to Somalia, Steve. It's that everybody in Somalia is trying to work a deal. Everybody's trying to scam you, everybody's trying to make money. It's the land of.

It'S like Mexico times a million when you got these guys that are. Everybody's trying to pull a scam, everybody's trying to pull a fast one. Everybody's trying to rip you off. And then they bring that here. And then you see what's happening in Minnesota. I've been there, I've dealt with it and then Afghanistan. I was in and out of there for years and years. They. You can bring them here, but they have to go through the proper vetting. And then once they get here, they need to. They need to. They need to be.

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I don't know why we should train them. Hey, get him out of the country. I agree. If they work with us or trans, as you guys know, you. You had tons of these and they were good guys. But they can't come here. There's no training, no vetting. Let them go to Arab country. Hell, the Muslims got a billion five throughout the world. There's plenty of places in Bangladesh, Indonesia, Pakistan. Pick it. There's tons of Muslim countries they should go to. You can't train them because it's a culture that does not fit with Western Christendom. Let's just be brutally frank. It doesn't. And we're tired of trying to shoehorn this in here. And they're brought here to destroy our culture. Taj, the best coffee in the world is the one that you created. Tell me about it.

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Julie Kelly's Husband (off-screen)]

Well, first of all, I want to tell everybody this goes way further back. It's way bigger even Steve, than I believe the 8 billion back when Jason Lewis uncovered in 2018 over 100 million in fraud in Somalian daycare. I mean, this is just. It's so great that it's coming to light now and it's gonna. And this administration, we're gonna just dig into it. I'm going to have my own reporter with Lindell tv, Heather Mullen. We're doing a deep dive on everything we can in Minnesota this coming week. And I'll tell you, Steve, the. You know, Elon Omar, let me just tell you guys, Elon Omar, her net worth according to reports in 2020 was 65,000. And now it's 30 million just a few years later. And this.

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