Episode 4981: Remembering Pearl Harbor 84 years Ago; Tina Peters Letter To President Trump

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room, Episode 4981

Date: December 8, 2025
Main Theme:
Remembering Pearl Harbor 84 Years Ago; Deep-Dive on U.S. Naval Preparedness and Threats; The Case of Tina Peters and State vs. Federal Pardoning Power; Political Bans and Free Speech Issues in Germany

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Steve Bannon commemorates the 84th anniversary of Pearl Harbor, unpacking its historical significance with Captain Jim Fennell, former intelligence officer for the Pacific Fleet. The discussion pivots to modern geopolitical threats—especially regarding the Chinese Navy’s rise. The second core segment focuses on the case of Tina Peters, a Gold Star mother and election integrity advocate imprisoned in Colorado, with her lawyer Peter Tickton explaining their legal appeal for a presidential pardon and its potential implications for federal-state legal authority. The episode closes with insights from Beatrice von Storch (AfD, Germany) on controversial efforts to ban her political party, framing it as a global test case for democracy and free speech.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Remembering Pearl Harbor & Lessons for Today

[04:02–14:49, 15:00–27:43, 29:18–31:09]

A. The Pearl Harbor Attack—Historical Broadcasts & FDR’s Speech

• Bannon honors the significance of December 7, 1941, playing archival news and FDR’s “date which will live in infamy” address.
• Emphasizes how public shock, military unpreparedness, and subsequent finger-pointing shaped WWII.
• Quote: “It set the framework for the rest of the 20th century and for a lot of the 21st century.” (Steve Bannon, 30:20)

B. Analysis with Captain Jim Fennell

• Fennell explains the intelligence failures pre-Pearl Harbor—esp. limited codebreaking and intra-agency siloing.
• Quote: “At that time, the intelligence community... there was no Director of National Intelligence, there was no CIA.” (Captain Fennell, 13:00)
• Fennell debunks conspiracy theories, highlighting actual communication and resource shortcomings.

C. Echoes Today: The China Navy and U.S. Preparedness

• Bannon: “Do you believe our strategic leadership realizes the PLA Navy is as big a threat as the Imperial [Japanese] Navy was in 1941?” (23:30)
• Fennell warns that the Chinese PLA Navy is a real, current threat:
  • “We have been in a crisis inside our nation and our navy when it comes to being prepared for war at sea from an adversary that has built a navy to beat us.” (Captain Fennell, 22:50)
• Argues too much focus is on unmanned systems—current force structure lacks adequate “big capital ships.”

D. Will There Be a War over Taiwan?

• Fennell: “If [China] cannot get the island of Taiwan to kowtow… then I believe they will use military force.” (26:26)
• Ties lack of naval investment and political will to potential disastrous outcomes both for U.S. interests and global order.

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2. Tina Peters Case: Election Integrity, State Prison, Federal Pardons

[31:11–42:23]

A. Background and Urgency

• Bannon decries Peters’ imprisonment—a Gold Star mother, election official turned whistleblower—calling it a symptom of broader political weaponization.
• Quote: “How is anybody free if Tina Peters is not free?” (Bannon, 31:11)

B. Legal Strategy Explained—Peter Tickton

• Tickton explains his letter to President Trump, seeking a federal pardon for Peters.
• Asserts 2020 election was “stolen,” laying groundwork for the argument that presidential pardons should extend to state-level political prosecutions.
• Quote: “When you steal an election, you don't steal an election, you steal the country.” (Tickton, 33:00)

C. Confronting the Federal/State Divide

• Discuss collaborative and legal strategies if Governor Polis of Colorado refuses to honor a presidential pardon.
• Tickton: The process would require seeking relief in federal court— ultimately to the Supreme Court.
  • “It’s never been adjudicated anywhere... But there's also other logical things that don't make any sense if [the president] doesn't have the power to pardon state offenses, especially when they have to do with federal law.” (Tickton, 38:18, 39:43)

D. Implications

• Case could set precedent for federal executive authority on pardoning and for election integrity whistleblowers nationwide.

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3. Weaponization of Justice and Clemency Activism

[45:03–47:37]

Cynthia Hughes and the Patriot Freedom Project

• Organizing clemency efforts for political prisoners linked to government “weaponization” under the Biden administration.
• Launching ‘Weaponization Watch’—projects to support those “languishing behind bars” for political reasons.
• Offers resources via weaponizationwatch.com.
• Quote: “We're going to turn this into the biggest clemency project in this country.” (Hughes, 45:15)

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4. Democracy on Trial: Germany’s AfD and Political Bans

[47:39–51:41]

A. Washington Post Story: Calls to Ban Alternative for Germany (AfD)

• Bannon highlights concerns about the precedent of banning political opposition parties in Western democracies.

B. Beatrice von Storch (AfD) Responds

• AfD polling at/near #1—leading in East Germany.
• Government, via secret service, classifies them as “extremist” in a move von Storch calls “antidemocratic” and a slippery slope for Western democracies.
• Quote: "The only solution they can think of is ban the opposition party to save democracy, which is a joke." (von Storch, 48:36)
• Warns: “If that's possible in Germany, that's going to be possible everywhere.” (49:56)

C. Core Issues Called ‘Extremist’

• Securing borders
• Rolling back Islamization
• Fierce protection of free speech (anti-censorship)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Steve Bannon on Geopolitical Amnesia:
  “It’s very important that people understand what happened [at Pearl Harbor] because it set the framework for the rest of the 20th century and for a lot of the 21st century.” (30:20)

• Captain Jim Fennell on Pearl Harbor Parallels:
  “We have been in a crisis inside our nation and our navy when it comes to being prepared for war at sea against an adversary.” (22:50)

• Peter Tickton on Election Integrity:
  “When you steal an election, you don't steal an election, you steal the country.” (33:00)

• Beatrice von Storch on Democracy:
  “The only solution they can think of is ban the opposition party to save democracy, which is a joke.” (48:36)
  "If that's possible in Germany, that's going to be possible everywhere." (49:56)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Pearl Harbor historical context and FDR speech: 06:02–11:24
• Bannon & Fennell on WWII intelligence & modern parallels: 11:24–27:43
• Naval preparedness, PLA threat, and war risk: 20:02–26:57
• Post-war implications & coverage: 29:18–31:09
• Tina Peters legal discussion: 31:11–42:23
• Patriot Freedom Project, clemency work: 45:03–47:37
• AfD, German political bans threat: 47:39–51:41

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Episode Tone

• Urgent, direct, and combative (Bannon’s signature style): “This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.” (00:02)
• Alarmed regarding threats to democracy and national defense.
• Advocating for grassroots activism, legal audacity, and policy vigilance.

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Conclusion

This War Room episode uses the Pearl Harbor anniversary to draw historical lessons for confronting today’s strategic threats—chief among them a rising China and, domestically, the perceived erosion of democratic and legal norms. The Tina Peters case is spotlighted as a bellwether for federal vs. state power and election integrity, with its outcome potentially affecting broader civil liberties. Finally, the situation in Germany is cast as a warning about creeping authoritarianism—even in the West—if mainstream opposition is outlawed. The episode’s message: learn from history, question state power, and defend democratic institutions—while the hour grows late.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Christians not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Peter Tickton]

And where do people like that go.

[Steve Bannon]

To share the big lie?

[Peter Tickton]

MAGA Media.

[Steve Bannon]

I wish in my soul, I wish.

[Peter Tickton]

That any of these had a conscience.

[Steve Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Mike Lindell]

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[Steve Bannon]

We'll see if the afternoon shown on that action plan. Mike Lindell, thank you. Fighting the good fight up there in Minnesota.

President Trump put out his national his strategy for the United States 33 page document. Grace and Mo and Elizabeth got it up on on our various platforms over the weekend. We talked about on Saturday every particular people in MAGA should read this. It's very profound. It's not perfect but man directionally is pretty damn good.

One of the things he does is put Europe on notice that hey, we're looking at civilizational, I think they say erasure, eraser erasure, that it could actually go away. Implosion and it's like the reason they have a tough time selling 30 year bonds. They don't know who's going to be in charge in 30 years. These are people trying to suck us into this Ukraine deal and giving guarantees and security guarantees and sovereignty guarantees. When, when Belgium and France and England look like they could be gone. It's, it's, it's a disaster. And the only way England is Going to save itself. I think they're going to have a civil war. You watch. We can avoid that here if we get on top of things. Now you have to get on top of it or it's going to. It's just. You're going to see the path that's going to go down. I want to play Captain Fennell's with me. And I want to play the traditional cold open we do for Pearl Harbor. Pearl harbor is actually yesterday, but the day after Pearl harbor is maybe even more interesting than what happened in the attack itself. Let's go ahead and play and I'll bring Captain Fennell in.

We interrupt this program to bring you a special news bulletin. The Japanese have attacked Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, by air. President Roosevelt has just announced. The attack also was made on all.

[Historical Broadcaster]

Naval and military activities on the principal island of Ohaud.

Hello, NBC. Hello, NBC. This is KTU in Honolulu, Hawaii. I am speaking from the roof of the Advertiser Publishing Company building. We have witnessed this morning a distant view, a grief for battles off Pearl harbor and a severe bombing of Pearl harbor by enemy planes, undoubtedly Japanese. The city of Honolulu has also been attacked and considerable damage done. This battle has been going on for nearly three hours. One of the bombs dropped within 50ft of GTU tower. It is no joke. It is the real war.

The.

Public of Honolulu have been advised to keep in their homes and await results.

From the army and Navy. There has been fierce fighting going on in the air and on the sea. The heavy shootings seems to be.

1, 2, 3, 4. Just a moment. We'll interrupt you.

We cannot estimate, Jeff, how much damage has been done, but it has been a very severe attack.

The.

Navy and Army appear now to have the air and the sea under control.

[Franklin D. Roosevelt]

Vice President, Mr. Speaker.

Members of the Senate of the House of Representatives.

Yesterday, December 7, 1941.

A date which will live in infamy, the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.

The United States was at peace with with that nation.

And at solicitation of Japan, still in conversation with its government and its emperor, looking toward the maintenance of peace in the Pacific.

Indeed, one hour after.

Japanese air squadron had commenced bombing in the American island of Oahu, the Japanese ambassador to the United States and his colleague delivered to our Secretary of State a formal reply to a recent American message. And while this reply stated that it seemed useless to continue the existing diplomatic negotiations, it contained no threat or hint of war or of armed attacks.

It will be recorded that the distance of Hawaii from Japan makes it obvious that the attack was deliberately planned many days or even weeks ago.

During the intervening time, the Japanese government has deliberately sought to deceive the United States by false statements and expressions of hope for continued peace.

The attack yesterday on the Hawaiian Islands has caused severe damage to American naval and military forces.

I regret to tell you that very many American lives have been lost.

In addition, American ships have been reported torpedoed on the high seas between San Francisco and Honolulu.

[Steve Bannon]

Captain Fennell, a one time. Captain Fennell, you were intel for PAC Fleet, correct? Sync PAC Fleet, the Pacific Fleet. So you know, you were out of Pearl Harbor. You know this very well.

Your thoughts? I might say that. And I always tell audiences to focus on this. He did not declare war on Germany. Germany declared war on us, I think two or three days later and they gloss that over and they talk about NATO. Roosevelt did not declare war in Germany. Why? Didn't think he had the votes. Didn't think he. And this is where the Russians were fighting. I think at this time the Wehrmacht was on the outskirts of Moscow or getting close From June of 1941 to December they ran the tables all the way through places like, wait for it, Ukraine.

What happened here? We don't have a ton of time, but I want to take a couple of minutes now this is still one of the great unsolved mysteries in American history and it's quite important to what where we are today because of the individuals involved, particularly General Marshall. Later, McCarthy. McCarthy. McCarthy's biggest takedown was Marshall. They never talk about the globalists, never talk about it. But years later on the floor of the Senate he gave a six hour speech, a talk, I think it was called Retreat from Victory was the speech that got put in a book later. He made it a book later but he specifically was very accusatory about General Marshall in the high command of the United States about what happened at Pearl Harbor. Sir.

[Captain Jim Fennell]

Well, Steve, thanks for having me on. And it's, you know, every time of this year it's a special time should be for Americans to stop and remember what happened, the context of the geopolitical situation that you relayed with the FDR and what was happening in Europe, that raging war that was going on. So there was a push, clearly understanding that war was raging in Europe and we were somehow going to have to get involved. I will go so far as to say that there was some kind of conspiracy to get us in and that we knew about the attack ahead of time. You have to remember In May of 1940 we moved the Pacific Fleet from San Diego to Pearl Harbor. That's a fact now again, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii was not a state, it was a US territory. But we had our US Pacific Fleet went forward. The commander of the US Pacific Fleet was Admiral Usman Kimmel. And after this attack he was relieved of command and Admiral Chester Nimitz was brought in. At that time, the intelligence community of the United States was not like it is today. In one sense. There was no Director of National Intelligence, there was no CIA. Bill Donovan was over designated as the chief coordinator for Information back in July of 41. OSS didn't stand up for another a year until July 42 with the JCS order. The FBI's main emphasis on the western hemisphere and counterintelligence, domestic counterintelligence actions. The army had military intelligence Division and signals and intelligence services, which is a communications intelligence. And then yeah, the Navy had our office of Naval Intelligence, the oldest intelligence.

[Steve Bannon]

Agency going Back to the 18 jump. Captain, just hang on for one second. Short break. Captain Finnell. On the other side.

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[Cynthia Hughes]

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[Peter Tickton]

In.

[Steve Bannon]

January to stop this rise of radical Islam in the great state of Texas. Jim Rickards, one of the best geopolitical thinkers. I got Captain Fennell on right now, one of the best intelligence members we've ever had gave up his career to warn the people of the United States about the rise of the Chinese Communist Party and particularly their Navy, and how it was going to be a massive threat to our interests in the Western Pacific East Asia, specifically Taiwan. One of the great heroes. Rickardswarroom.com we got a whole landing page. Rickardswarroom.com is all one word. It's a landing page. You get access to strategic intelligence, which is based upon his his theory of predictive analytics is reason. Rickards have been right so many times. So this is one of the reasons we're proud to have Jim on here as a contributor. Rickardsworm.com and he throws in a book on fiat currency and artificial intelligence that will keep you up at night. So go check it out today. So Captain Fennell, correct me if I'm wrong and maybe I thought they had broken both because people confuse this. It's not just not the diplomatic codes that we realized what President Roosevelt was talking about, they're sitting there negotiating with us to lull us to sleep at the same time. And Roosevelt had one thing wrong. It wasn't days or weeks. They had planned this months and months ago really from the time that we put the oil embargo on them back. And I think in the summer of 1940, summer of 1941, one of the most important summers in world history. The beginning of the Vermont assault into Russia, the breakup of the Russian Nazi Pact, and also the United States getting tough on the Economic Co Prosperity Sphere that Imperial Japan was trying to run the tables in Asia and put an embargo on oil which was the mother's milk of the Imperial Navy and the Japanese army and led to the plan that led to Pearl Harbor. But we had broken. I thought we had cracked your predecessors, had cracked both the naval codes and the diplomatic codes. That's why we knew exactly what was going to go into Pearl Harbor. And we didn't inform Admiral Kimmel or General Short, the head of the army out there, the general in charge of the army, either one of them were not in the loop on what was actually going on. Sir.

[Captain Jim Fennell]

The diplomatic codes were outside of the Navy and were with the army. But inside the naval circles there was various kinds of naval codes. There was the Imperial Japanese Admirals communication code that had been assigned to Station Hypo in Pearl harbor where I spent eight years of my life working that Those gentlemen out there were restricted from having access to JN25, which was the fleet communications code that would have been, had it been fully broken. We would have had much more insight into the maneuvering and location of the Kido Patai, the Japanese striking force. And that was only given to the people in DC station negat. They had 230 plus people back there trying to break it fully open. They had some small breaks, but they didn't really have it fully broken. Hypo only had. In Hawaii, Station Hypo only had 40 people. And that before December 7, they were prohibited from access to that by Admiral R.K. turner because of the classifications of it and also because there was this, you know, kind of we want to control things back in D.C. and you guys out there in the fleet, you don't really know what's going on. And after December 7th, the guy that ran Station Hypo, Commander Joseph Rochefort, he said, I'm not listening to those guys in D.C. anymore. Op20G, the guys that were running that back then. And he said, I'm going to start breaking it on My own. I'm not going to follow the Imperial Admiral's code. Japanese admiral's communications, it's not very useful. I need operational intelligence. And within four months, they were breaking 30% of JN25, which gave us a victory at Midway because we knew they were going to Midway for certain. So this is the real issue for today, is that we have a rising Chinese navy. It's risen, it's here, it's operating. The carrier is outside the first island chain. Right now. An expeditionary strike group is outside the first island chain. They're surrounding Taiwan on a daily basis. They're going after Japan and not just the Senkaku. Now they're talking about taking the Ryuku Islands and saying that that's Japanese sovereign territory. They already do that in the entirety of the South China Sea. And we have people in Washington, D.C. that still tell us that they're really not a threat. The Quincy Institute, people like that are pushing this out on a daily basis, and we have to be very worried about that. We haven't prepared ourselves like we did in 1940 when Senator Carl Vinson put through the Two Ocean Navy act that said we will have the fleet that we need to be able to fight Japan. That hasn't been done yet. And we just canceled a frigate, the consolation class. And yesterday the SECNAV said we're going to come out with a new domestically designed frigate. We have been in a crisis inside our nation and our navy when it comes to being prepared for war at sea from an. Against an adversary that has built a navy to beat us in a war at sea.

[Steve Bannon]

And so is the, is the. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. That crisis. Are we the one thing that the planners in the visionaries before World War II, they saw that the Imperial Navy was going to be a threat. You know, whether we look the other way, intelligence, whether it was a conspiracy, all of that, let's leave that aside, put a pin in it. They definitely knew the Imperial Navy was going to be a threat and they were starting to plan for it.

[Peter Tickton]

Right?

[Steve Bannon]

They were starting to build carriers. Now, we didn't do. After the ramp up of 1941, do you believe that the leadership in our country, the military leadership, the strategic leadership, believes that the Chinese Communist Party Navy, the pln, the People's Liberation Navy, is as big a threat as the Imperial today to us in our vital national security interests? Not. Not sideshows like the Middle east or Israel. Not sideshows, worse sideshows like Ukraine that they do they realize, like our predecessors did realize in the 30, although caught off guard, the threat of a naval power in the Pacific.

[Captain Jim Fennell]

Sir, I think the current administration's national security team recognizes and understands the threat. The issue is how to solve it. And there is an attitude of, well, there's not enough money, there's not enough time. We don't have the shipbuilding industry. We let go over 35 years or more. And so they're saying, let's build this hybrid fleet of unmanned vehicles and manned ships. I don't see much written or much attention on the manned ships part. The big capital ships, carriers, destroyers, frigates, fast attack submarines. I all I hear about and read about on a daily basis is all these small drone ships, like 24 foot long drone ships. And no one is telling me how we're going to get 24 foot long drone ships from San Diego or San Francisco into the western Pacific to fight a war at sea with the PLA Navy. And that is a big ask. And so what I'm saying is we need people that are not just going to wish this away because we don't have money or we don't have the will. We are Americans and if we're going to win this thing, we need everything in the kit bag and, and we can have drones and we can have artificial intelligence. We don't have big capital ships to fight a war at sea. We are going to end up having the PLA Navy rolling through the Hawaiian Islands and onto our west coast because that's the navy that the Chinese Communist Party is built over the last 25.

[Steve Bannon]

Do you believe, do you believe we're going to go to war with the Chinese Communist Party and the People's Liberation Navy? Because President Trump, this is one of the reasons he's trying to balance everything. He's trying to stop the kinetic part of the third World War on that side of the Eurasian landmass. Now, both in, in the Middle east and in Ukraine. He's trying to be, to the degree possible accommodating some trade deal. He's trying to keep the peace and doesn't want to go to conflict. He also strategically is obviously he's always been very worried. You can tell that Taiwan is only 110 miles or 100 miles away from mainland China and they've built an entire apparatus specifically looking to take out our defenses of Taiwan with all that. Do you believe we're headed to a naval war with the Chinese Communist Party in the next five or ten years?

[Captain Jim Fennell]

Sir, if the Chinese Communist Party is unable to get the island of Taiwan to kowtow to them and to become their open puppet and to be to claim sovereign territory over Taiwan through non kinetic means. If they can't get that in the next five to 10 years, then I believe that they will use military force. They told us that they built the force to do that and they're setting the conditions to do that on a daily basis.

[Steve Bannon]

Jim Fennell, you've. Captain Fennell, you've given your whole career for this topic. Where do people go to get your writings? I know you're putting stuff up on American greatness. Where can they go to find your writings?

[Captain Jim Fennell]

I had a piece up on American greatness last week called the Two Calls. It's about President Trump's call to President Xi and President or Prime Minister Takechi, which I thought was fantastic by the President. But American greatness is the only place. I don't do social media otherwise.

[Steve Bannon]

The irony of this is that 80 some years later, the Japanese are one of our strategic partners. When our partner in the 1930s and 40s, what we fought over was mainland China. Amazing how the world turns, sir. Captain Finnell, thank you so much.

[Captain Jim Fennell]

Thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

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Okay, the geopolitics of today. Even more complicated back then. And of course it took what, three and a half or four years of bloody fighting from December 7th of 1941 to what, May and then August, and I guess 9-45 was the real surrender. But it was over by mid August. I'm gonna spend some more time this week and go through this because that night at the White House on the evening of December 7, they were in not good shape.

One of the biggest priorities they had, the priority was obviously to mobilize immediately and find out what happened and get information. But there was a massive cover your ass exercise too. They were very afraid, very concerned that they were going to be blamed for all of this and blamed for not being ready, blamed for having the fleet out there. And then it became evident that we actually had some intelligence. Even the fingers started to get pointed. I think there were seven inquiries into Pearl Harbor. Anyway, I'll go through that because it's quite.

It'S very important that people understand what happened there because it set the, it set the framework for the rest of the 20th century and for a lot of the 21st century. We're having these huge fights in Ukraine right now. The bloodlands of World War II. Actually, the Bloodlands of world history, but particularly World War II. Remember FDR, the United States of America did not declare war on Nazi Germany. And this was in 1941. Plenty of people knew exactly what was going on there, including the owners of the New York Times, a lot of politicians, FDR's administration, the military, knew a lot was going on, did not declare a war on them. Hitler made a bet, made a gamble, as Mussolini did, and declared war. They declared war on us. I think three days later. I think it was the 11th.

I'll refine my thinking here. Next couple days we'll get into it.

[Captain Jim Fennell]

Important.

[Steve Bannon]

One of the most important things we could do is how can we live in a country where a gold star mother, a hero whose son gave his life in defense of his country. How's a gold star mother, 70 years old, in ill health. How is she in a medium security prison, a state prison in Colorado when everything's coming out today about these machines. Remember, we're not machine guys. We feel they stole it the old fashioned way. As far as mail in ballots and illegal people voting. And people on the voter rolls are not supposed to be there. All of it. They gun deck this thing in all these states. Pretty evident about that, very evident about that. But the machines are a festering sore in this country. Tina Peters was a hero. She is a hero. She remains a hero. So the question is asked, how is anybody free if Tina Peters is not free? Her lawyer, Peter Tickton. Peter, you're on. A couple weeks ago, you talked about a lot of these theories and you actually put it in. You and I think Stephanie Lambert, who's your partner. This. We're going to try to get Stephanie on the afternoon show because I want to really make this a priority for people. You sent a letter and you. And you know the President pretty well, but you sent a letter to him that outlined your thoughts about this Tina Peters situation. Can you walk our audience through it, sir?

[Peter Tickton]

Okay. Yes. Well, you know, it has a number of parts. First of all, I want to say that Stephanie Lampert is helping write this. It's my name on it. But she has. She is also an American hero. They try to put her in jail as well. I'm not sure if you're. I know you are aware. What am I saying?

But. So, you know, basically the first thing we wanted to do in this letter was address the issue of.

The fact that we're at war. The fact is that.

Our 2020 election was definitely stolen from us. And when you steal an election, you don't steal an election, you steal the country. And that's why this is the largest crime that's ever occurred in the United States by far. Because they didn't just steal millions of dollars or even, as we've been hearing lately, billions of dollars in some places, but they stole the whole country for four years. And if they would have had their way, had it not been for a certain operation that occurred, they would have stolen it again in 2024. But that's a whole other story. The point is that we are showing evidence. Now. Here's one of the things that happens when you cheat in an election and you take over the country, which they've done in 72 countries. The Venezuelans are not only exporting drugs into the United States, but they're exporting their ability to use machines to cheat in elections to 72 different countries around the world.

[Steve Bannon]

Fight. But hang on a sec. We got. Because we're really pressed for time. So let's say. Let's say we. Let's say we stipulate that that's all true. How does that get Tina Peters? Right now we have the Commander in Chief, the most powerful man in the world, that has a carrier battle group and an amphibious Ready group with 14,000 sailors off the coast of Venezuela even as we speak. And they're pouring in, troops are pouring into Puerto Rico every day. Pete Hexton, Secretary of War, how does that help us get. Be specific. How do we get Tina Peters? Cuz right now, Governor Polis, I have.

[Peter Tickton]

Four ways to get Tina Peters.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on. Say now here Peter Tickton, he's a flake. Bannon can run his mouth all he wants. Trump's powerless. I'm Gerald Polis, I'm all powerful and Tina Peters gonna rot in prison. I don't care what Tickton says, I don't care what Stephanie Lambert writes, I don't care what Steve Bannon yells in his microphone and I particularly don't care about what the commander in chief of the United States military, Donald Trump, has this arch who happens to be the chief law enforcement and chief magistrate of this country by the Constitution. I don't care what everyone have to say. She's going to rot in prison and if she dies in prison, so be it. What say you, sir?

[Peter Tickton]

What I say is these people, such as, you know, this man who happens to be in office because he's used crooked election equipment and is now the governor of a state that's been well overtaken by the cabal, let's say.

The fact of the matter is that as Obama said, elections have the consequences. And the one thing you can't do when you steal an election is allow the other party to ever get back in, but their other party is back in. And as a result, we're getting to the bottom of things that would be absolutely suppressed if we weren't. I mentioned before to you, Tina Peters is a person who was trying to protect the truth. She imaged the computer to be able to save the evidence of that. It's the people that are hiding the truth that we're in power and still are in power in Colorado specifically, we're seeking a pardon from the president. And if this governor says, oh, we don't care what you say, we're not going to honor that pardon, then we, then we take it to the court and there's a very fast process that we can use in the federal court with the Federal.

Declaratory Relief act where we'll be able to bring this thing on, get it resolved quickly with motions for summary judgment. There's no evidence really in dispute. We know exactly what the law is. And then this is going to have to get resolved there as to whether or not the president has the power to pardon offenses which are state offenses, and he does have that right because now we look at it and he has the right to pardon offenses.

To the United States. And when we look at that, we all know the United States is the country. It's an.

Is our country the United States. But before the Civil War, at the time that the drafters wrote the Constitution, the United States wasn't considered that way. It was the United Countries and it was thought of as those countries. All the writing in the Constitution refers to them not as an it, but the United States and their possessions, the United States. And it's always them or those who are there. It's always in the plural because they're speaking of the states. So when the Constitution said that the president has the power to pardon offenses against the United States, it wasn't as we now understand it, everyone he hears.

[Steve Bannon]

About the United States now thinks of the country, has. And by the way, Ken Burns makes this point. We did the series real quickly. Do you has that ever been adjudicated at the Supreme Court? Your theory of this case, that he can actually pardon at the state level, has that ever been adjudicated at the Supreme Court?

[Peter Tickton]

It's never been adjudicated anywhere.

First action on any level, Peter, I.

[Steve Bannon]

Just want to, because you're a close friend, I just want to make sure. Step one is the president to pardon Tina Peters, right? To give her a pardon. That is the thing that sets everything else in motion, right?

[Peter Tickton]

Then we give that to the, you know, to the Department of Corrections and say, release her immediately. They say either yes or they say no. They say yes, well, we don't have a problem anymore. They say no. Then I jump into federal court and I basically get an order from the judge that says, release them. Or the judge says, nah, I don't think so.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on, hang on, hang on. You don't go to the Bureau of Prisons. You go to the Department of Corrections in Colorado and you've got a pardon letter from the President of these United States, the chief magistrate and the chief law enforcement officer. You present it to the Department of Corrections and Governor Polis, and they either release her or they say tickton. That pardon doesn't mean anything here in Colorado because we're a state. That's a federal pardon. Then what?

[Peter Tickton]

Then I jump into court and then I ask a judge, and the judge says, yay or nay. And then no matter what the judge says, we go to the Court of Appeals. And no matter what the Court of Appeal says, it's going to be in the lap of the Supreme Court of the United States.

[Steve Bannon]

Because whoever loses, if Colorado Loses, they'll go. If you lose, you'll go. So it's got to go all the way up to the Supreme Court.

[Peter Tickton]

Correct. It's got to go all the way. And there we've got a majority that are fundamentalists. There we have a majority that are going to say, well, what were the founders thinking when they were thinking about the United States? That he has the pardon power. But there's also other logical things that don't make any sense if he doesn't have the power to pardon state offenses, especially when they have to do with federal law. Okay. On a federal election.

That'S where we have more of an edge than just the logic of our argument. Although the logic of our argument is really not refuted.

[Steve Bannon]

Pretty compelling. Peter, we gotta bounce. We'll have Stephanie on this afternoon or maybe you again if we can. Where do people go to get all this information? We put the letter up, but I want people to find out more about you and how you're fighting this and the support you guys need. Where do they go?

[Peter Tickton]

Well, they go to. In regard to Tina peters, go to tinapeters. Us. In regard to our law firm, go to legalbrains.com it's easy. I'm a lawyer.

[Captain Jim Fennell]

You said it.

[Steve Bannon]

And we'll put it all out. Just real quickly. What's the timeframe of this? Do you think a pardon will actually be coming for Tina before the holidays, sir?

[Peter Tickton]

I'm hoping, yes. Yeah, I mean, you know, look, President Trump.

You know, I don't know anybody who I respect more, who's. Who, who, Whose intellect I respect more. He not only gives things consideration, but he considers the timing of things as well. I'm, I'm hoping that I get the pardon, you know, before Christmas. Yes. I want, you know, we, we've given him the form that we think would be the most appropriate. Of course, his legal team will. May want to change it, but in any event, he's got it. If as soon as we have it, we will be flying out to Colorado and hand delivering it and basically requiring that she be released. But there's other things in the works as well. I just want you to know that Tina Peters isn't relying entirely on the pardon process, but this is something which could affect many other issues that are going on in the United States. There are many state actions.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah. There are a lot of other irons in the fire. Ed Martin and other people. There are many other irons in the fire. Peter Tickton, look forward to having you back on where everybody read this letter today. Get up to speed on Peter on this aspect, but people should know Peter and others are working on many, many other things regarding Peters. Thank you. Thank you so much, sir. Appreciate you.

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Cynthia Hughes, you're got a new group that's fighting against weaponization of our government, against us. What is it? You're having a gathering today. Where do people go?

[Cynthia Hughes]

So we're here in New York City today, Steve. As you know, I founded the Patriot Freedom Project. We have a new cause under it, Weaponization Watch. I've teamed up with Doug Mackey and, you know, we're fighting for people that are languishing behind bars. We're going to turn this into the biggest clemency project in this country. I'm in New York City right now. We have two women sitting in a Brooklyn prison right now, Nicole De Doni and Rachel Cherowitz. I'm also here with retired NYPD officer Michael McMahon, who just recently got a pardon a few weeks ago from the president. I'll be sitting down with Topeka Sam today, who has, you know, also received a pardon from the president. She has launched a great project to help women who, you know, are languishing behind bars and need reentry. Weaponization under the Biden administration was unprecedented. And the country does not know just how deep it runs and how bad it is. And there's a lot of people that are sitting in prison or facing a very long sentence, like a young man who's 28 years old who was targeted.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on a second. We have to do examples later. Where do people go? Today you're having a gathering. Where do people go? Because we've got to bounce. Where do people go?

[Cynthia Hughes]

Okay, we're in New York City today. You can go to weaponization watch.com you could follow us at Real Pfp on Twitter for the live stream.

[Steve Bannon]

Are you going to do something? Are you going to do something? Are you going to do something in New York City that people actually can go to? Or is it all on live stream?

[Cynthia Hughes]

Yes, if you go to. If you know, we're in New York City, Steve, and you know, it's a little crazy around here. So we're not broadcasting where the location is. But if somebody wants to attend between 12 and 4pm today, they can email us at infoatriotfreedomproject.com and we will give them access for this free event.

[Steve Bannon]

And where do people go? Social media, where else do they go? To find out more about this, it's a great effort. Where do folks go?

[Cynthia Hughes]

You can go to X. You could follow me realpfp. You could follow Weaponization Watch. And you can also find all of our stories and all the cases we're working on at weaponization. Watch.com perfect.

[Steve Bannon]

Ma', am, grace and Mo, let's get it up and let's get the live stream so we can also can see it. We'll share it up on our rumble and my personal account, Cynthia Hughes, we look forward to talking to you this evening about how it went today. Thank you.

[Cynthia Hughes]

Thank you very much. Steve.

[Steve Bannon]

You talk about weaponization. I don't think there's a worse example in the world. The Washington Post, it's tough to shock me, but the Washington Post is able to do it. The article on Saturday, can Germany stop extremism by banning a far right party? Some want to try the sub headline banning Alternative for Germany. A far right party might seem undemocratic, but Germany's constitution allows such prohibitions to prevent a repeat of Nazism. Beatrice von Stork, you're going to be in the six o' clock show with me, with Raymond Ibrahim. Give me a couple of minutes here. This is one of the most outrageous things. The article blew my head up. But more importantly, the article is what the German authorities are doing. Two, let me repeat, I think you're the largest party in polling now in Germany are the second largest. It's not like it's a few scattered wing nuts. You represent a vast sizable amount of the German people, ma'. Am.

[Beatrice von Storch]

Yes, that's exactly what it's all about. We are polling at number one. Number two in all of Germany, we are by far the biggest party in the eastern part of Germany. We're leading there by 10 points or something even more. And so the only solution they can think of is ban the opposition party to save democracy, which is a joke. And this really gets even more dangerous by the day because they are losing control, they are losing power, they are losing the consent of the people. They are not willing to shift policy. This is what they should do if they want to fight us, but they can't. And so they are constantly talking about banning AfD. They come up with, well, there are ideas or their documents which show the Secret Service, while the Secret Service has come up with some documents and declaring us as far right extremists. But we have to know that the Secret Service is the government. So the government is writing a paper that the opposition party is extremistic and this is why they increased the talks about banning us. And as it was shown in the Washington Post article, rightly that our president, so the number one, the head of the state gets into this business. He is from the Social Democratic Party. They are polling around 13, 14, 15% at the very moment. So 10 points behind AfD. And these little guys, they try to solve their political problems by banning us. So that's really anti democratic. And I think the most important point about all this is if that's possible in Germany, that's going to be possible everywhere. We cannot point to Turkey, to Russia, to any other totalitarian regime when banning the opposition party is possible in a Western democracy. And this is why we lean out. This is why we think it is very important to raise this issue and to make Americans aware that this is also not in your interest. It is very much against everything what you're fighting for. And when it comes to the national security strategy, this is being published, I think it's rightfully pointing out to the point.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on, we're going to get into all that at 6 o' clock real quickly, under a minute. Just tell me what is the extremist idea that they hate the most? Because I keep seeing you guys saying, hey, we want to turn sovereignty to the people, to the German people. What, what is, why do they call you extremists? Give me 60 seconds on.

[Beatrice von Storch]

So first, we want to secure our borders. Second, we want to stop Islamization in our country. More precise, we want to roll it back. We do not want to hand over our country to a different culture. And third, we are very much in favor of free speech. We do not think that censorship is a way which should be allowed. And they are pushing censorship always forward. So this is, I would say these are the three points.

[Steve Bannon]

Beatrice, at 6:00 clock tonight, we're going to go through all of it. We have Raymond Ibrahim, the author of this great three part three book series on Islamists in the west and how we've defeated it as an inspiration for Christmas. Beatrice, thank you so much. We'll see you back here at 6pm Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk show is up next with Andrew Kovic. Posos after that, Gruber's after that, bowling's after that. And five o' clock from five to seven you're gonna be back here. We're gonna be on fire this afternoon.

[Peter Tickton]

Where?

[Steve Bannon]

In the war room. We'll see you then. Stick around for the Charlie Kirk Show.

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