Episode 4983: Losing The Representative Republic; Victory Against Islam In Alabama

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room Episode 4983

Title: Losing The Representative Republic; Victory Against Islam In Alabama
Date: December 9, 2025
Host: Steve Bannon
Guests: Oren Cass (American Compass), Senator Tommy Tuberville (AL), Dave Brat, Ben Harnwell (Rome)
Main Themes: America's AI policy and China, Deindustrialization and Economic Nationalism, Populist Action in Alabama against Islamic school expansion, The Ukraine War and NATO's future, Congressional dysfunction.

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Overview

This episode confronts the perceived crises facing America’s representative republic from several directions:

• The contradictory US approach to advanced AI technology and trade with China
• The ongoing loss of manufacturing/jobs and the need for economic populism
• Local grassroots action in Alabama against a proposed Islamic education center
• Grievances with US support for Europe, Ukraine, and issues with NATO
• Congressional failures and fiscal mismanagement

The tone is combative, nationalistic, and highly skeptical of current US political and economic leadership.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. AI, China, and US Tech Policy Contradictions

[00:51-13:00]

• Bannon frames a “Sputnik moment” for US AI: US must race China to dominate artificial intelligence, invoking Cold War comparisons.
• Oren Cass (American Compass) criticizes “contradictory policies”—the Justice Department boasts of cracking down on AI chip smuggling to China, while the administration openly sells advanced AI chips (H200 series) to China.
  • Quote (Cass, 05:15):

    “On the very day they announce this great effort to get these smaller arms dealers, the biggest arms dealer gets a pass … it's kind of irrelevant if you're selling them something that will make them even near competitive.”

• Cass argues profit motives consistently override national security considerations; policy is driven by who’s last in the Oval Office, not by American interests.
• Bannon and Cass lambaste business leaders (specifically NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang) for rationalizing sales to China with the “addict them to our tech” argument, which Cass calls a repeated, failed business myth.
  • Quote (Cass, 10:06):

    “Essentially selling the Chinese the rope that they're going to hang us with.”

• Cass asserts AI chips are America’s remaining valuable advantage: “And to undermine that advantage … to make a little bit more money in the short run, this is exactly the mistake we've been making over and over again.”
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2. Economic Populism & Trump's Manufacturing Agenda

[16:52-21:23]

• Bannon pivots to Trump’s economic argument in swing-state Pennsylvania.
• Oren Cass stresses the economic malaise stems from lack of quality jobs and declining affordability, but the focus should be on long-term growth—building factories, restoring manufacturing, and supporting the worker ecosystem.
  • Quote (Cass, 17:26):

    “It's really important for him to get focused on this and really be driving a message that’s about what the economy needs and what his policies are doing for it... There is a really good story about the commitments that we're seeing to bringing investment back to this country.”

• Bannon warns against being “trapped” in daily inflation/affordability debates and urges tripling down on growth, quality jobs, and higher wages.
• Cass agrees: tell a positive, longer-term story rather than chase short-term price reversals.
  • Quote (Cass, 20:14):

    “We are done with the Biden inflation. ... What is the actual path to better lives for them, for their families?”

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3. Congressional Dysfunction & Loss of Republican Agency

[22:40-26:44]

• Dave Brat laments that Congress no longer serves as a representative body, unable to check war spending, or break legislative deadlocks—“just follow the money.”
  • Quote (Brat, 22:56):

    “We have lost our representative republic. We have lost the Congress. If you just look at the money, right? Just follow the money.”

• Brat highlights poll numbers showing massive bipartisan support for issues like term limits, voter ID, and banning congressional stock trading, but accuses GOP leaders of lacking resolve and succumbing to oligarchs.
• Criticizes media and tech monopolies, warning about upcoming mergers (Netflix/Warner) and political influence in big corporations.

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4. Grassroots Action in Alabama: “Victory Against Islam”

[29:10-34:59]

• Bannon celebrates Hoover, Alabama's local council and community stopping the expansion of an Islamic education center/school.
• Senator Tommy Tuberville praises Hoover citizens’ resolve, stresses dangers of foreign-born candidates on city councils, and frames Islamic schools as “indoctrination in hate America and Sharia law.”
  • Quote (Tuberville, 31:36):

    “This is a prime example ... people need to be very concerned about people from other countries running for election... They're going to control our communities.”

• Tuberville calls this a preview of “World War 3 on our soil,” warning that, as in Europe, unchecked immigration will lead to loss of cultural identity and eventual street conflict.
  • Quote (Tuberville, 33:30):

    “This is World War 3, OK? And it's going to be on our soil, and it's coming so fast. Within five or 10 years, it’s going to be way out of control.”

• Tuberville notes he is attacked as a “hater” or “Christian nationalist”; asserts that Hoover’s activism is necessary populism.

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5. Ukraine, NATO, and America’s International Role

[26:44, 34:59-47:17]

• Ben Harnwell contextualizes European and Ukrainian politics, observing that US military support is indispensable to Ukraine, but Europe has retreated into “symbolic” measures (like freezing Russian assets).
  • Quote (Harnwell, 26:56):

    “Europeans are reduced to the gesture and theatrics of offering solidarity based on their stealing effectively Russian frozen assets... The Russians... say that will be an act of war.”

• Comments on demographic change in Europe, particularly France, as decisive in shifting national and foreign policy toward the “Islamic sphere.”
  • Quote (Harnwell, 46:36):

    “France ... its national policy now ... is totally dictated now by the fact that most of Paris ... is coming from North Africa.”

• Harnwell and Bannon question NATO’s continuing value for the US, with Harnwell calling for the US to exit NATO, let Europeans fund their own defense.
• Both agree Europe is heading toward crisis, noting that EU welfare privileges would evaporate if Europe had to assume its own military burden.

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6. Congressional Fiscal Crisis & The Filibuster Debate

[37:38-41:43]

• Bannon brings up impending “megabus” spending bill—essentially an omnibus spending bill with “no real cuts.”
• Tuberville decries massive spending and inability to secure meaningful fiscal reform:
  • “People get reelected on the money they spend up here.”
• Tuberville, once a traditionalist, now favors abolishing the filibuster if it’s the only way to pass GOP priorities—argues Democrats would do it first chance they get.
  • Quote (Tuberville, 39:43):

    “I'm for doing it right now. I'm for saving our country... if we don't do that, we'll probably lose the House... [and] even could lose the Senate.”

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Bannon ([00:02]):

  “This is the primal scream of a dying regime.”

• Cass ([05:15]):

  “On the very day they announce this great effort ... the biggest arms dealer gets a pass ... it's kind of irrelevant if you're selling them something that will make them even near competitive.”

• Cass ([10:06]):

  “Selling the Chinese the rope that they're going to hang us with.”

• Tuberville ([33:30]):

  “This is World War 3, OK? And it's going to be on our soil, and it's coming so fast. Within five or 10 years, it’s going to be way out of control.”

• Dave Brat ([22:56]):

  “We have lost our representative republic. We have lost the Congress. If you just look at the money, right? Just follow the money.”

• Harnwell ([46:36]):

  “Paris has always been the lead as far as France... and that's totally dictated now by the fact that most of Paris, in terms of ethnic descent, is coming from North Africa. That has reorientated the capital... towards the Islamic sphere.”

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Important Segment Timestamps

• AI, China Contradictions: 00:51-13:00
• Economic Populism / Trump’s message: 16:52-21:23
• Congressional Dysfunction: 22:40-26:44
• Alabama Islamic School Fight: 29:10-34:59
• Europe, Ukraine, NATO: 34:59-47:17
• Fiscal Crisis & Filibuster: 37:38-41:43

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Memorable Moments

• Tuberville’s uncompromising stance on “Islamic takeover” warning and his call for the US Senate to fight or step aside.
• Cass’s rebuke of US tech leaders and politicians for prioritizing short-term profit over long-term national advantage.
• Brat’s “follow the money” refrain—Congress no longer represents the people, but the oligarchic donor class.
• Harnwell’s suggestion that America should leave NATO and force Europe to handle its own defense.
• Genuine praise for ordinary Hoover, Alabama citizens for “using their agency”—presented as a populist success story.

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Conclusion

The episode brings together economic nationalism, hardline opposition to China, fears of demographic and religious change in the US and Europe, and deep-seated distrust of America’s governing institutions, both in Washington and internationally. Listeners are encouraged to see grassroots populism, like the Hoover, Alabama action, as a model for retaking control from “oligarchs” and foreign interests, while also being warned of imminent financial, cultural, and security crises if course is not corrected at the highest levels.

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For More:

• Oren Cass's book The New Conservatives — collection of key right-of-center essays.
• American Compass research and commentary: commonplace.org
• Follow Senator Tuberville: @SenatorTuberville; campaign @CoachForGov
• Dave Brat highlights bipartisan reform issues in Congress and media conglomerate power.
• Ben Harnwell’s geopolitical analysis, with special focus on demographic and strategic shifts in Europe.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot.

All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but.

You'Re not going to stop it.

It's going to happen.

And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Senator Tommy Tuberville]

WAR ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Steve Bannon]

It's Tuesday 9th December year for Lord 2025. We are so jammed today that we're going to do the cold open a little bit later. Some of our other guests, Senator Hawley will be joining us. Senator Tuberville. We're pre packed. Dave Bratz in studio with me and.

Ben Harnwell joins us from Rome, or I should say Dave Bratt is in the anchor chair in our DC studio. Want to start with Orin Kass of American Compass, the chief economist over there. So folks should understand behind the scenes in DC, two huge things are taking place simultaneous. Number one, the Senate is working on a megabus. Not an omnibus, but a megabus. This thing's quite frankly a mess. We're going to break that down later. All types of spending we thought we got out of there is back in. So we'll get to that in a moment. But the other big fight is about kind of this global conflict about artificial intelligence. Oren. And about the executive order and the ndaa, the AI amnesty, this whole thing between the states and federal government and the four Horsemen of the Apocalypse at the Frontier labs with no restrictions. And David Sachse people want no restrictions. But on the other hand, because the reason we're even talking about no restrictions is that we've had a Sputnik moment. We're in a race like either to the moon or to build a hydrogen bomb against the Soviets. And we can't miss a beat. We gotta, you know, we can't put any restraints or anything oversight on these amazing entrepreneurs because to do so would turn the world over to the Chinese Communist Party. But simultaneously the Chinese Communist Party can't be competitive unless they have our chips. Our know how, our education, our capital, all of it, the whole ecosystem to build a complex system, probably the most complex like artificial intelligence. Needs Western support in every aspect of it. So make it make sense to me. How do we have this situation where we are and we're going to get a team of experts to start coming on here. Many have never been on the war Room before because they're experts in this area and across the board. This is kind of uniting a lot of people saying we don't understand what's happening. Just explain it to us. Oren, the floor is yours.

[Oren Cass]

Well, thank you for having me on. It is a sad day for America. First, bluntly, I think you've, as you've laid out, there are these fights that have been going on behind the scenes over all of these different definitions and fights on AI. And what's fascinating about them is these people will not have the debates in public. You will not find anybody actually go out there, face a tough interview and try to explain why we should be telling states nobody else can do any regulation. They will certainly not go out and explain why should we sell chips to China? And yet they, they continue to push these directly contradictory policies is the most important thing we have to win on it. Also, we should give advanced chips to China. I have to highlight, because this is so funny or maybe pathetic. You decide. Literally yesterday, as the Trump administration was saying we're going to start selling these advanced chips called the H2 hundreds to the Trump administration, Department of justice was proudly announcing they had cracked down on somebody for smuggling those exact same chips to China. This is the release from the Department of Justice proudly says that they, they exposed a sophisticated smuggling network that threatens our nation's security by funneling cutting edge AI technology to those who would use it against American interests. Well, now it's President Trump and the White House that are funneling that exact same cutting edge AI technology to the Chinese who would use it against American interest. The only through line, the only common denominator that makes sense is at every stage, it's the choice that's going to make the most money for the people selling these products, the people who apparently get the last hearing in the Oval Office, the people who the decisions are being made on behalf of with, with no consideration for the national interest or the American people.

[Steve Bannon]

I want to go back because the, it's absolutely kind of one of the key points the Justice Department and this investigation has been going on a while and the way that the release is, is that they've had a massive investigation. They found these guys that are basically black market guys and doing this. And it's like I said, Jensen Wong is an arms Dealer, he's an arm dealer. And guess what? Some black market arms dealers got caught, as arms dealers often do, by people like the Justice Department that have these nets out there to make sure this is not happening illegally, that all the controls we put in the Commerce Department and all the different regulatory agencies that have a hand in this, you have very tight restrictions on this. You go up to Capitol Hill, you get sign off, you get everybody in kind of agreement. Nobody's perfectly happy, but it kind of is a structure that you live with. And then on the very day that they announce this really great effort to get these smaller arms dealers, the biggest arms dealer gets a pass and he's going to pay, you know, he's going to give 25% to the American people or back to the government. That's fine, but it's kind of irrelevant if you're selling them something that will make them.

Even near competitive. If this is a race and we've signed an executive order that turns the national labs and turns the weapons labs, the great weapons labs that Oppenheimer and the team built the atomic bomb and then built a hydrogen bomb, those same weapons labs, Los Alamos, Lawrence Livermore, Sandia and others, plus the other national labs will essentially be turned over to the AI guys because it's a matter of the utmost national security.

Why do we provide not just the chips, but any part of the ecosystem, the capital, the expertise, the 350,000 Chinese students over here all taking engineering and advanced computer. Because they're not. They're not. They're majoring in medieval poetry, none of that. So two things can't be right at the same time. If we're in, if this is a Sputnik moment, okay, and we have to actually do some things that we wouldn't be comfortable with in seeding ground to the extent of accelerationist, right? Then at the same time, you can't be arming the enemy with everything they need to actually compete with us. It doesn't make any sense, does it? Is there any logic here that you and I are missing or the other people. I've talked to the hundreds of other people in the last 24 hours on this.

[Oren Cass]

Well, look, the argument that folks will make behind the scenes, because as I said, no one's willing to make this argument in public because it is such a weak argument. But if, if you ask them, you know, with a straight face, like, tell me what you think here, what, what are they saying, you know, in the Oval Office, the argument is essentially that we want us to have tech Leadership in China. And so if we sell these advanced chips to China, that will allow us to keep a foothold there, that will sort of addict them to our technology. This should sound familiar because it's the exact same thing corporations have been saying for 30 years. Every new generation comes in and says, we have to get into China, we have to sell our technology, we have to give away our technology there and that's going to be good for us in the long run. And every single time they end up embarrassed and thrown out on the street. And China keeps the technology and takes the leadership. And yes, the shareholders get a bunch of profit in the short run and the US falls behind in the long run. And what's so frustrating here is that AI is in many ways now the one advantage that, that we have. If you think about the competition that we're in with China as we try to re industrialize, build back manufacturing in this country, our advantage on AI chips, our ability to build the most powerful systems, that's really the one thing that we sort of have going for us as we try to make up for the mistakes of the past. And so to have folks saying, no, no, we want to instead go back and make the exact same mistake again, undermine the advantage that we have and just to make a little bit more money in the short run, this is exactly the mistake we've been making over and over again. And you just have to ask yourself, if the tables were turned, if China had this advantage, would you have Chinese leaders saying, oh yeah, let's sell a bunch of advanced chips to the Americans? The question answers itself. It is unfortunate that we don't have business leaders in this country that are sufficiently grateful to what America has given them to, to the freedom that they have, to the profit that they are able to earn, that they think about the American interest at all. It just gets thrown out the window if there's a little bit more money to be made.

You know, essentially selling the Chinese the rope that they're going to hang us with.

[Steve Bannon]

And what you're talking about is decoupling, is that in 2019, they did this. This is why you've had TikTok, you had Deepseek, you've had all these things. As soon as they get enough expertise, because they copy everything. As soon as they get enough expertise, they try to decouple from the West. This is why they didn't sign the Lighthizer deal to President Trump, negotiated for two years. They would take care of the seven deadly sins and integrate them into the global economy. They Actually, at the very last second, Li, he, when he presented it to Wan Xishan and Xi, they tore it up. They said, we're not going to do that then. We're not going to do that. The two years of negotiation.

What you.

Mention here is that.

Jensen Huang, when you talk about this and people making this argument Jensen Huang is trying to sell or the American people, that it doesn't matter who wins. If China wins, that's okay. If a Chinese company wins, okay. He's on record of saying that he's actually said the American dream, that if you're a China hawk, that is a. That is not. That is a badge of shame. If you're a China hawk, if you're anti ccp, you're a China hawk. That is a badge of shame, not a badge of honor. And he said in this regard that the American dream actually goes through China. What would you say of a person that tried to make that pitch consistently to the American people, Sir?

[Oren Cass]

Well, I think you're giving him too much credit for even saying he's making a pitch consistently.

One of the reasons he's not actually out there trying to make the case for this policy is because he can't make the case for anything. One day he goes out there and says China's going to win. One day he goes out there and says it doesn't matter who's going to win. Then his PR people run in to clean up and say, no, no, no, you know, we're going to win. Then he says, export controls don't work. Then he says there's. There's no smuggling going on. Then he says, don't worry about the smuggling. Just let us sell it directly. That, you know, one day, obviously, we have to beat China. The next day, China Hawk is a badge of shame. It's. It's just throwing stuff at the wall, seeing what, if anything, sticks and counting on the end of the day, having an administration that. That isn't going to think about the actual arguments. That's just going to sort of, I guess, go with the rich guy. And I would hope that we would have an administration. We have policymakers. You know, it was reported that when, when Trump met with Xi, he was thinking about doing this kind of deal. And other folks in the administration, you know, maybe with cooler heads, stepped in and said, you can't do this. This is a mistake. This is bad for the United States. This is not consistent with the foreign policy that the President has espoused the commitment to America first, and now they're throwing it all out the window. And it's a tragedy for this administration and it's going to be a tragedy for the United States.

[Steve Bannon]

You know, President Trump's the first president we've ever had that stood up to China. One of the most refreshing things about him in 15 and 16 was that he stood up to China. Here's what I want to do. I want to hold you through the break. I got Dave Brett, Ben Harnwell in Rome, Dave Brat in D.C. orin, and we're going to go to Brian Glenn in a little while, our White Horse correspondent, the president of the United States. Orrin, this one tee up from when you come back. In the next segment, the president of the United States is headed to Pennsylvania today. He's got a very compelling economic argument. We've made two huge bets here and you can't unwind those bets. You made a bet on a supply side tax cut to bring capital into manufacturing, turn us to be a manufacturing superpower. At the same time, you've reorganized the world's commercial relationships and done it in six months to use trade as a forcing function or terrorism forcing function to bring capital in manufacturing from international companies and countries back to the United States to guess what, return us to a manufacturing superpower. President Trump's going up to one of the main the part of the, the, the traditional rust belt, but Pennsylvania today to make his, to make his argument, Orrin Cass is going to help us with that. Also at the same time, Zelensky threw his toys out of the pram yesterday in London, meeting with Starmer and Macron and said, hey, no territorial concessions. I'm out. We're not going to give up anything. It's going to be a deal. President Trump has worked for months and months and months and months, months and months. And today Dasha Burns at Politico has an interview with him. Up we just says, hey, look, there's no leadership in Europe. I don't even know what to do with these guys. Short commercial break Take your phone in and text Bannon B A N N O N at 989-898. Get the ultimate guide for investing in gold and precious metals. Do not forget silver. Gold and precious metals with Birch gold. Talk to Philip Patrick in the team. Do it today.

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[Steve Bannon]

So, Oren Cash, the President heads today to Pennsylvania and I think you're seeing black people. Said president got focused more on domestic. There is this. I believe it's inextricably linked to what he's doing in national security, particularly trying to end the beginning phase of the kinetic part of the third World War on the Eurasian landmass in the Middle East. But he is taking advice and I think President Trump says, hey, look, Scott Besson is great, Navarro's great, Hasset's great, Ludnick. Okay, these guys, I'm the one that can sell this. And that's why he's going to Pennsylvania. What say you, sir?

[Oren Cass]

Well, I think it's really important for him to get focused on this and really be driving a message that's, that's about what, what the economy needs and what his policies are doing for it. You know, we've seen so much focus on the affordability question lately. I think what that comes down to ultimately is a realization people have that in the economy today it's a struggle to make ends meet. That for a very long time now, the direction of the economy has not been one that provides better, higher paying jobs for people, that let them build good lives for themselves, support their families. And so, you know, I think obviously that's a message that Trump has run on. I think early on in the administration, the first few months they came in and focused a lot on that. But then it's felt like over the past few months there's been a lot more focus on foreign policy stuff. There's, there's been a lot of focus on, on some of this AI and tech stuff. And in the background we still have the tariffs, we still have a lot of efforts to, to focus on getting investment back in this country. But, but that has to be a message. He has to be telling the story here is how this is actually going to help. And no, it doesn't, it doesn't help in one week. Right. People say, where are the manufacturing jobs? Well, you have to build the factories first. But there is a really good about the commitments that we're seeing to bringing investment back to this country. And now I think what he needs to do is pair that with, okay, what are the next steps? What are the ways we're going to support that investment? What are the ways we are going to prepare people to do these kinds of jobs?

[Steve Bannon]

The ecosystem, the training, all that. Do you agree? I said don't fall into the affordability trap because inflation's cumulative. What Biden did, you're not going to unwind this. Almost impossible to unwind that particularly. You're running $2 trillion deficits every year, folks, and you got to refinance a third of it. The national debt. It's going to be hard. What you got to do is stop, remember inflation? What you got to stop is what they've done is the accelerating rate of inflation. But the focus should be on because we made a bet and you're not going to be able to unwind these bets. You got to double and triple down. It's on growth, not just GDP growth, but GDP per capita. It's on jobs, high value added manufacturing jobs and the ecosystem that comes around that would do it. And it's wages and particularly higher wages. We had the trifecta in the summer, fall and Christmas season of 2019, right before we got hit with the CCP pandemic.

That's the focus.

That's why I was going to Pennsylvania. But I wouldn't fall into the trap of thinking you have to debate these guys every day on affordability. That's just a trap they set for you. Using Biden's the knuckle of the Biden economy as their club, you get back to Trump's best growth jobs and higher wages, sir.

[Oren Cass]

Yeah, I think that's right. And that is a question that comes up sometimes, like, what are we going to do to bring prices back down? Right. We don't actually want prices to fall. You don't want to have deflation people, among other things. They'd suddenly see their wages start to fall, too, and no one would be happy with that. And so one important thing to emphasize is that we are done with the Biden inflation. Would you rather have inflation at 2% than 3%? Yes, that that should still be the goal. But, you know, we are not seeing the kinds of disastrous inflation we had a few years ago. People need to know, though, how are things going to start getting better? What is the actually path to, you know, path to better lives for them, for their families. And so, you know, like you said, if you just get into this affordability fight, then, then you end up with the president on the other side of it saying there is no affordability problem. And people aren't going to agree with that. So you have to actually have a positive story. Here is our theory of the case. Here's what we're doing to actually make things better. It doesn't happen overnight, but we're on the right track. And hopefully that's the story he'll get out there and be telling on this trip.

[Steve Bannon]

And nobody's a better salesman of this than President Trump of his economic plan. That being said, he's got so much on his shoulders right now, so much on his plate ornament. Where do people get to you with American Compass? You got a great new book out that you've edited, all these different pieces you guys have written. Where do people go to get all your content? Because you're kind of on the cutting edge of economic nationalism and economic populism, sir.

[Oren Cass]

Well, I appreciate that. The book is called the New Conservatives. It's a great rundown, I think, of everything that's happening on the right of center. Lots of great contributors, Ambassador Lighthizer, Secretary Rubio have, have pieces in it. And so, frankly, the perfect Christmas gift for, for anyone in your life who wants to understand what's going on, where we're headed on the right of center. You can find me on. On X at Orencast. And please check out American Compass's publication. It's called commonplace. We'[e-mail]. we've done a lot on this, on this chips topic and we're putting out a lot of stuff every week on. On exactly this set of challenges and the. The things that really matter in America.

[Steve Bannon]

Oren, thank you so much. The cutting edge of all these different economic issues that, that and geopolitical issues that we face. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you. Great to see you folks over at American Compass.

[Senator Tommy Tuberville]

Great work.

[Steve Bannon]

I got brat. Brad, give me your assessment of the economy. Chip steel. And then I gotta get. I gotta get Harnwell in here before Tuberville because I'm gonna ask Senator Tuberville about Zelensky throwing his toys out of the pram. What do you got for us, Dave? Brett, Morning.

[Dave Brat]

Yeah, well, Oren. Oren had it. Had it right there. We have lost our representative republic. We have lost the Congress. If you just look at the money, right? Just follow the money. Congress is not getting us out of any of the wars we're in. They just passed legislation that said we cannot downsize the NATO troops to tens of thousands of Americans over in Europe.

[Oren Cass]

Right.

[Dave Brat]

And so when it comes down to it, if you look at, you know, five years ago, we were all being censored and President Trump was being censored. Now he's got the guys in the dining room. He's kind of in a. In a hard spot because if you go against those guys, they just censor you again. And so the solution, when the Republicans get in charge, right? When Pelosi gets in charge, she was ruthless. When the Republicans get in charge. We don't believe in our first principles. You have to downsize these monopolies and these oligarchs, and there's no way around it. The next time we lose power, you know exactly what's gonna hit us. Nancy Mace has a good piece on the budget in the New York Times today. What the Democrats know that we don't know. And she just goes over it. It's very well done, the leadership. A small number of leaders put together bills. There's no amendments allowed. There's no open rules allowed anymore since 16. Pelosi was ruthless. Our leadership doesn't take any ground when we're in power. We have bulletproof majorities and ton issues that she lists. Let me see if I can find them here. Here they are banning congressional stock trading. 86% of voters are in favor term limits. 87% of adults in favor voter ID, 76% of people support. These are bipartisan super majority positions. And yet our guys can't figure out how to put these in play. Right. On immigration, where's the permanent piece? Where's the border wall? Where's the, where's the legislation that makes this stuff permanent? Now you got Pritzker up in Illinois just, I think I read today thousands and thousands of illegal criminals released under his watch. And where's the Congress on this? Trump cannot do it all himself, but we, we've got to retake our economy and put some basic principles in place. I saw this monopoly merger of Netflix along with Warner Brothers. That's problematic no matter how that thing goes. Now you've got Obama, Susan Rice is on the board of Netflix. Right. What could go wrong with a monopoly position with Netflix taken over Warner Brothers, hbo, all of that, the narrative monopoly. And they, they paid both Obama's handsomely for movies they made about them. So it's not really the business. Right. It's not like we're anti business or anti capitalist. We don't want the political tentacles in the middle of every single thing we're seeing. The, the chip deal is absurd on its face, as Oren put it. You can't put it any more clearly than that. And we just got to get our ducks in a row. And part of it is the pressure we need to put on these CEOs. Right? That's Steve. That's why you're so good and why the show is so good. You call out people individually and these CEOs need to start being called out. They've, they've been given carte blanche, just like members of Congress to hide, to hide under their desks, make money up to the last minute, right. Until Taiwan goes haywire. And then they're going to say, oh my God, we got a decouple. And so it's politics entwined with the economics. And I think Trump's going to, you know, be decisive in the coming weeks. He's getting the word, he's getting the memo. What's going on? And so I'm looking forward to his comments.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, start today in, in Pennsylvania. Ben Harnrow. We got about a minute. Team me up. The audience. What happened in London? Zelinsky threw his toys out of the pram.

Why?

[Ben Harnwell]

Because he wasn't getting what he wanted. What he really desperately needs is U.S. support. That's the only credible military support that's going to win the war for him. And the Europeans are reduced to the gesture and theatrics of offering solidarity based on their stealing effectively Russian frozen assets to the tune of 78 billion sterling. It's about less than $100 billion, a significant amount. The Russians, Putin, Lavrov say that will be an act of war against Russia on part of the Europeans. After the break, Steve, I'll break this down more, but we're not heading towards peace right now.

[Steve Bannon]

We are not heading towards peace. But I think President Trump, you saw from the, from the, the interview with Politico, Dasher Burns, I think he's, I think he's fed up with the, these Europeans.

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[Unidentified Council Member]

I'll make a motion to deny the application based on staff comments and what we've heard this evening.

[Senator Tommy Tuberville]

Second.

[Unidentified Council Member]

Motion to have.

[Oren Cass]

Second.

[Unidentified Council Member]

Second. Second. I have a motion. Second. All in favor say aye.

[Senator Tommy Tuberville]

Aye. All the Rose.

[Unidentified Council Member]

We are a recommending body. This will go to the council with a recommendation to deny to the council. But the applicant has the right to go to the council and make their application to the council. So I want you to understand we are a recommending body. The council is the final say. So does everybody understand?

[Ben Harnwell]

Thank you, sir.

[Steve Bannon]

The folks in Alabama are not sitting back and going to let these things happen to them. They're using their agency. So whether we're talking about Dearmore in Michigan or what's happened in Minneapolis or what's happened with Mamdani, you know, doing video showing the illegal aliens how they basically fight ICE agents on deportations or in the great state of Texas, which is ramping up now, Governor Abbott is now declared the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organization and care a terrorist organization. DeSantis followed, I think yesterday, declared both terrorist organizations at the same time. You got, you know, Laura Loomers up with a piece people should read on her Twitter about cash is over in.

Doha and we're signing, we're signing joint memorandums of understanding between Qatar and the FBI on joint investigations. Maybe somebody will get to the hopefully in that investigation, find out if Qatar is still financing the Muslim Brotherhood and supplying logistics for him. Because that's a question we absolutely have to have answered. And we have to have it answered quickly. Since they're underwriting Gaza, they're in partnership with Turkey. A big part of the peace in Israel is going to come from Qatar and Turkey. And that's got to be put on the table and kind of explain to people as we go forward. Senator Tuberville joins us. Senator Tuberville, what in the hell happened in Alabama and why, why did it take folks in Alabama to stand up and say, this is not going to happen on our watch and it's certainly not going to happen in our town, sir.

[Senator Tommy Tuberville]

Well, thank you, Steve. People have to wake up. And it's fortunate that we've had, we've got some strong people in Hoover, Alabama that did just that. They stepped up. This is a prime example, Steve, of why, you know, people need to be very concerned about people from other countries running for election and city council, city commissions, zoning commissions, because they are going to control our communities in our states. And it's going to ramp up and it's going to intermingle with everything, with all 50 states and our great countries. So I'm proud of the people of Hoover. I'm proud of the people that went to the meetings. The zoning meeting says enough's enough. We're not building a, a building here, an education building that preaches the Quran and Sharia law. We're not going to do it because they preach the hate America and hate our country and hate the people that live in the community. So I'm very proud of them.

[Steve Bannon]

Well, what is it? What did it finally take to get average citizens? Because you've seen what's happened in Minneapolis, you know, Biden and Obama and these administrations. And quite frankly, we haven't dealt with it tough enough. I mean, Omar to me, should be denaturalized, put in prison here and then shipped back to Somalia. You see what's happening there. And this scandal's huge. It's now in Maine. You see Mondami is sitting there mocking us to our face, doing videos now showing illegal aliens how they combat the ICE agents to combat the removal. What was it about the folks in Hoover, Alabama, that. What is it about them? They finally said, we're not going to do this anymore. We don't care if. Because they're coming and they attack them when they stand up in those meetings, they get attacked afterwards as being haters and xenophobes and nativist and Christian nationalists. What was it about them? And what was it about this quote, unquote, education center that finally hit their tripwire?

[Senator Tommy Tuberville]

Yeah, well, a lot of them, and I've talked to people in the Hoover area that actually watch shows like yours and other shows across the country. They don't watch mainstream media because you don't get the. The. The real picture of what's going on. But they've seen this small school, this Islamic school in their community, and they've seen it pick up speed and starting to grow. And what happened is they wanted to enlarge this school, to start accepting more people in, even people that weren't Islamic, to start indoctrinating them in the things that they want them to believe. And so they said, enough's enough. And again, we have to talk about it. We have to stand up and fight for what we believe in. These people. Now, there's some people come over from some of these countries that. That want to come here for a better life. And they're going to assimilate and go by the things that we believe in, go by our Constitution, the Muslim group. Steve, this is World War 3, okay? And it's going to be on our soil, and it's coming so fast. Within five or 10 years, it is going to be way out of control. We have a prime example of this. Europe. Europe is gone. And it. They will have to fight in the streets to get it back. And that's coming. And so we do not want that to happen here. And the people of Alabama, the people of Hoover, saw this, and they want to stop it before it really gets started. Don't let the fire start and get out of control. And I'm so proud of what they did.

[Steve Bannon]

You talk about people awakening. I mean, on this show, the folks, when it happened in Hoover, every summer, we got to get the Hoover people on here, we got to do a show about them because they're showing about how populism works. But President Trump, the national security strategy, the first part, not the military, but the overall strategy, came out and he said, hey, in 20 years, you've got a civilization collapse in Europe. We don't even know who to partner with or what deals we can cut there because we don't know who's in charge. Do people in the United States Senate understand that the people that keep trying to throw all this unbelievable amount of money and resources and troops and into the European situation when they will not defend themselves? Sir?

[Senator Tommy Tuberville]

Yeah. Well, I heard you talking about Ukraine before this and the, and the out of control war that's been over there for four years that should have really never happened. It was caused really by Europe, by NATO and by us, you know, CIA behind the scenes that overthrew the government back in 2014. And so we've been watching people get slaughtered over there, right and left on both sides. They don't have a country now. They've lost half their population. As you said, a couple million people have either lost their lives or been maimed. But all that happens because you don't, you don't talk about it. What happens up here in Washington, D.C. is we don't talk about it. I will give a speech this week on the floor, my third one, about this radical terrorism, Islamic terrorism. And I'm taking heat from, from a lot of people, even some from some of my people, because, hey, this coach, this is an election year. Well, who cares? We're not going to have an election year in a few years if we don't start talking and fighting back now, now's the time to do it.

[Steve Bannon]

Talk to us about that. You're giving speeches on the floor of the Senate as the United States senator from Alabama. You're talking about radical jihad and Islamic radicalism. And people in the Senate are coming up to you and saying you got to tone this down.

[Senator Tommy Tuberville]

Well, they, all I can tell you is the rhetoric is they want it to be positive. You know what I'm saying? They want everything to be positive going into election year. Well, I'm on the ballot. I'm not on the Senate ballot. I'm on the governor ballot of Alabama. And it doesn't bother me because if the people don't want me to come back there and speak the truth and say, listen, we're going to save our state, then I don't need to be there. You know, if they don't want me to fight. They don't need me there. But same thing with senators. Don't ride the fence. Tell them how it is. Tell the people in your state how it is. And if you don't get reelected, go home, get you another job. That's the way I look at it.

[Steve Bannon]

What about, you know, Mike Lee sent us some information. We're going to have him on hopefully this afternoon, maybe tomorrow, about the mega bot, this whole fight to try to stop spending and to try to get these deficits down because we can't continue on at $2 trillion deficits annually. But what I'm hearing is that there's some sort of spending bill that's trying to come together behind the scenes and put forward. It's a, it's a megabus. It's not an omnibus, but it's as close to it. But it's got just an incredible amount of spending in it. No real cuts to it at all. Anything you can share with us of what's going to happen here?

[Senator Tommy Tuberville]

Yeah, there's a few cuts to it now. We passed, there's 12 appropriation bills. We passed three. That's the first three we passed, by the way, since I've been here in almost six years. And so they passed those. Now we got have five more that we'll try to pass in the next couple of weeks. Now, what does that mean? If we can pass those five bills, they won't have the ability to shut the government down when it comes to January because the Democrats are going to do that. They're going to shut it down again because they feel like that that's a winning move for them and it's really not. They were the reason that we shut down the government for 43 days. But if there is a lot of spending in this, Steve, there's way too much spending. We don't go over it and try to cut back a certain percentage. You know, if you look at senators like Rand Paul, who wants to cut, you know, 1% every year, 2%, there's no traction that, because. Why is that? Because people get reelected on the money that they spend up here. But at the end of the day, it's going to get us all in trouble. It's already got us in trouble. 38 trillion and counting. Every three months we add another trillion on. It's going to be devastating to the young people in our country, even to us, Steve, as we, we're seeing everything ramp up in terms of prices going up. Everybody says prices are going up. President Trump's not helping. Well, wait A minute. Prices go up when the federal government spends more money and people need to wake up. That's what happens up here.

[Steve Bannon]

Is there any discussion behind the scene with your colleagues understanding the financial cliff that we're. We're hurtling towards and you just can't, it can't be business as usual? Is there any discussion on that at all?

[Senator Tommy Tuberville]

Oh, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of discussion. We talk about it and we are, we, our Group now, the 53 that we have, for the most part, are physically responsible, want to cut back, want to do what the American people want, is try to save this country from a financial collapse which is coming. There's a, there's more than. More here than, than not. The problem is it takes 60 votes to get anything done. And people ask me, you know, coach, you're not getting anything done up there. Well, you put something on the floor, you're not going to get one vote from the Democrats. So I'm going to say this. I was totally against busting the filibuster a few years ago because I saw how the Democrats act. But now, knowing that the Democrats, the very first day when they take over, and it's going to happen sooner or later, they're going to bust a filibuster and it's going to be a 51 vote count. I'm for doing it right now. I'm for saving our country, getting people elected, getting all these bills passed that President Trump wants passed through the voting regulations to where we can get back and people can trust our country's elections when we have them next fall. If we don't do that, we'll probably lose the House the way things are going right now, and even could lose the Senate. But these voting rules have to be changed, and the only way we can get it done, Steve, is bust the filibuster. With 51 votes in the Senate.

[Steve Bannon]

You came and you were traditional, so that's why you didn't want to do it. Is there anybody else joining you? Are we close at all to. To changing the filibuster? Do you think we even have close.

[Senator Tommy Tuberville]

To the votes I think we could get right now? Probably more than half, maybe closer to 60, 65%, when we sat down and really talked about it, because it's going to mean a lot of the futures up here of the senators, they're not going to get reelected. I mean, we can fool ourselves if we don't do something and show the American people we're here to get something done for them. We don't work for the Senate. We work for the American people. If we don't show them to do that, a lot of these people are going to get voted out. And it might not be this year coming up, but it's going to be years of the future because what's going to happen is there's going to be accumulation of bad things that are going to happen because we haven't done anything like this unaffordable health care that we have. We can't do anything about it because the we can't change it because the Democrats won't allow us because of 60 votes. If we don't show the American people the heck with the, the so called tradition of what we do here in the Senate and just take it on and say, listen, we're going to change this country the way it should be, the way our forefathers wanted to be. And if it breaks their tradition and hurts somebody's feelings, fine. But at the end of the day we better start working for the American people and quit worrying about a United States Senate tradition.

[Steve Bannon]

Senator Tuberville, where do people go on social media to get you, sir?

[Senator Tommy Tuberville]

At Senator Tuberville for Senator and then at Coach Forgov running for governor. Now I've got a year left here. I'm looking forward to working with President Trump and Steve, we're in a this next year will be more lawsuits, more trials, more tribulation and more things that will happen whether we're going to save our country or not save it because we can't wait another year on the physical ability and also this Muslim overtake of our country.

[Steve Bannon]

Sir Tuberville, thank you for the stark warning. Appreciate you taking time away to day to join us.

[Senator Tommy Tuberville]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

Senator Tuberville. Listen and take that to heart folks. Short break.

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[Dave Brat]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

[Steve Bannon]

I'm gonna go to Brian Glenn in a moment with at the White House about President Trip today. Before I do that, Ben, I had to bring you into this because of Senator Tuberville, what happened in Hoover. Alabama folk ended up and Senator Tuberville said, hey, there going to be war in the streets in Europe in five or 10 years. President Trump's national security strategy said 20 years. Liz Truss, we had her on the other day, she said she thought that was optimistic, right, that it would happen sooner than that. Your thoughts are particularly given this Ukraine situation and one of the reasons that there's no money, no troops and President Trump and he just was with Dasher Burns, I'll play a little later in the next hour, was dumping all of the European leadership is because he's saying, hey, they've kind of lost their own countries thought, sir.

[Ben Harnwell]

So much to unpack in that question, Steve. First of all, I have to pay tribute to Senator Tuberville and what he's done in Alabama in forcing this Islamic Academy of Alabama to drop its relocation plans. He single handedly, I think, made a massive contribution to his home state there. Alabama is the quintessential part of the Bible. But I say this as a good Catholic, but that's exactly how Alabama should remain. And I'd hate to see the word broken up with a hyphen dropped in.

A banner becoming part of the Quran belt. So close that move on to the strategic, the strategic review that was dropped a couple of days ago by the White House, you know, President the White House, echoing President Trump's thinking that made a very astute point here. And they were saying that the, that the demographic changes in continental Europe is having a consequence on our domestic policy priorities and that has an influence as well with regards to NATO. And that's an absolutely.

That point is spot on, Steve. You look at France, for example, and that's its national policy now. It's Domestic policy, also its external policy, its foreign policy, is totally dictated now by the fact that most of Paris, in terms of ethnic descent, is coming from North Africa. That has reorientated the capital, and Paris has always been the lead as far as France, as a country is concerned, has reorientated the capital and the whole nation of one of the EU's fundamental countries towards the Islamic sphere. And that has consequences for NATO. And President Trump was absolutely spot on to mention that, moving on to Ukraine, because all of these things tied together actually around this point, around the NATO point. We mentioned this just before the break, before Senator Tuberville.

President Zelensky threw his toys out of the plan, as you say, yesterday in Downing street in the White House. And effectively, I would say it's the metaphorical equivalent of spitting directly in President Trump's face. That's what I'd say that he's done. President Trump has invested so much time and energy since he was inaugurated to finding a peaceful resolution of this war, and Zelensky threw it back in his face simultaneously whilst trying to prepare the ground to bring the United States back into this war, because that's the only feasible way he has of winning and maintaining the position, which he announced yesterday, that there will be no territorial concessions in the Donbass. Why do I say, Steve, that all of these things are tied together? Because even though we have, you know, I don't want to say that, that we, we were perhaps skeptical on the success of the 28 point plan, let's call it like that, on this show, skeptical of the success, it now appears that that 28 point plan is in the dustbin. But the fundamental reason that the Europeans are still sort of walking along with their gangster swagger with regards to Russia is that because it's the whole NATO dynamic, Steve, they can afford to do this. Instead of building sort of constructive relations with Russia, trying to regularize that relationship, they're still doing the gangster swagger because America is still, via NATO, effectively underwriting continental Europe's security and stability. So I would say, Steve, on this show, I would say, first of all, the President has got to say, I think now's the time after nearly 11 months, 10, 11 months of hard work on trying to produce a peace agreement, he needs to say, America is out, guys. Have at it if you think you can, to the Europeans. Have at it if you think you can win this war, do it. If you don't, don't. We're out. But the second thing, Steve, and I say this from time to time on the show is that I think it is astoundingly obvious, especially after the national security document of a couple of days ago. It is no longer in America's long term interest to be a member of NATO. I'm not saying NATO should be dissolved. It has a purpose if it is maintained and financed by the European nations. But America, the United States has absolutely no benefit through this membership. As I say occasionally, and I hand back to you on this point, what you know else Yeah, I think they let Sweden in, for example. You know, you've got Lithuania, they've got these Baltic countries. In what worldly scenario is that going to be necessary for the, the salvation of America in, in a military theater of war? What situation is there ever going to be where America is about to bubble under? And then they say, oh, what's that dust kicking up on the horizon? Thank God, it's the cavalry, it's the Lithuanians. They're coming to save us. The whole thing, Steve, it's a hoax, this idea of pooling massively, asymmetrically paired countries together because the risk is asymmetric. That's the thing America needs to come out of the nate, come out of NATO. Encourage the Europeans to step forward, embrace with maturity their own needs and then make that sell to the European peoples if that's what they think is going to be in their interest.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, they'll get turfed out because that would mean no national health care, no free college, no a month of August off, no retirements at 50, any of it. Okay, Ben Harno, hang there.

We're going to have a more even a more intense hour next hour than we just had. Braxton stick around. Harnwell is going to stick around. We're going to the White House. Brian Glenn, the president is doing a pivot today, going to Pennsylvania. With all, all these issues in the world and this is this, I think kind of sums it up. People are talking about giving Ukraine their security and guaranteeing their security and guaranteeing their sovereignty on just a moment's notice. Boom. Zelensky sits there with President Trump. These kind of agreements, these understandings about the territory have been from the beginning and just out of nowhere. No, we're not giving an inch. You can't trust them. You can't depend upon them. It's not possible. It's time to cut it loose and let them go figure it out. Cut it loose and figure it out. The president heads to the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Brian Glenn is with us at the White House. Short commercial break Back in the war in a moment.

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