Episode 4987: What To Expect From The Fed; The New National Security Strategy

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room — Episode 4987

Date: December 10, 2025
Main Topics: Federal Reserve Developments, The Role and Regulation of AI, National Security Strategy, The Masculinity Crisis, Social Etiquette

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Stephen K. Bannon and guests tackle the major news of the day: Federal Reserve policy signals, the controversy over regulating artificial intelligence in America, the ongoing fight over executive orders and national security, as well as a deeper discussion about declining masculinity and social standards in the West. The show features expert commentary from Dave Brat, Joe Allen, Dr. Ren ("Raw Egg Nationalist"), and etiquette expert Kellyanne Yates.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Federal Reserve Policy & U.S. Economy

Timestamps: 00:51, 05:59, 07:01, 19:13, 22:05, 23:20

• Interest Rate Outlook: Discussion centered on the expectation that the Fed would lower rates amidst persistent inflation and ongoing post-pandemic financial turbulence.
• Market Reactions: Gold and silver prices are surging (“Gold is on fire again...It’s not the price here, it’s the pattern recognition of what’s going on.” — Steve Bannon, 01:40), seen as a hedge against economic instability.
• Productivity, AI, and the Economy: Dave Brat cautions about overhyping AI’s contribution, emphasizing most economic growth still stems from traditional consumption and investment. “All these data centers you're hearing about... that’s not a huge part of the economy. The good news is equipment and info processing equipment are up significantly... about 1% of that 3% GDP growth.” (Dave Brat, 04:02)

2. AI Regulation & National Security

Timestamps: 00:51, 07:57, 10:24, 12:19, 13:45, 17:13, 24:19, 26:46

• Concerns over Big Tech Power: Bannon criticizes tech leaders (“broligarchs”) for arrogance in trying to push “AI amnesty” into must-pass legislation, describing their dismissiveness toward proper oversight and the MAGA base as insulting.
• Executive Orders Battle: Joe Allen outlines the push by figures like David Sacks for preemptive executive orders to squash state-level AI laws, rejecting focused AI-specific legislation, which Allen calls “total nonsense... neither state nor federal laws have done much of anything to protect children, communities, creators, or people from censorship.” (Joe Allen, 07:57)
• China Contradictions: Both Allen and Bannon highlight the hypocrisy of tech lobbyists invoking the “race against China” as an excuse for speed and deregulation, while simultaneously advocating for exporting advanced chips to China. "They're not treating China like a competitor, they're treating China like a customer." (Joe Allen, 12:19)
• Immigration vs. Automation: Allen flags the contradictory tech industry demands for more immigrant coders while simultaneously promising AI will render those roles obsolete. (12:19)
• AGI Speculation: Elon Musk is quoted predicting AI will handle every major decision in 5–10 years: “Let’s hope it’s good AGI.” (Joe Allen relaying Musk anecdote, 13:47)

3. The Masculinity Crisis & Endocrine Disruption

Timestamps: 31:09, 32:51, 35:49, 37:11, 38:24

• Historical Perspective on Testosterone: Bannon notes the dramatic drop in testosterone since the 1940s Draft era: “Just a collapse of testosterone. Why is that and what implications that had on modern society?” (Bannon, 31:42)
• Causes of Decline: Dr. Ren (“Raw Egg Nationalist”) details the 1% annual decline in testosterone and sperm quality, attributing it to obesity, sedentary lifestyles, chronic stress, and especially “endocrine-disrupting chemicals...They mimic estrogen... altering the natural balance... and it's bad for men and also for women too.” (Dr. Ren, 32:51)
• Broader Implications: Dr. Ren connects falling testosterone to energy, motivation, courage, and even national renewal, warning, “If we’re seeing as we are a civilizational decline in testosterone, then we're really ending up with men without chests.” (Dr. Ren, 37:11)
• Book Recommendation: Dr. Ren pitches his forthcoming book as unique for addressing the biological roots of masculinity and offering practical lifestyle changes for men, positioning it as essential for both personal and societal renewal. (38:24)

4. Social (and Christmas) Etiquette in Modern Society

Timestamps: 44:34, 44:58, 45:50, 47:53, 48:04, 48:37

• Loss of Manners: Guest Kellyanne Yates (the “Conservative Mary Poppins”) argues that regaining etiquette and chivalry requires “going back to the past to find class.” (Yates, 45:50)
• Role Models: Cites Charlie Kirk as a model of gentlemanly behavior and Christian humility. (Yates, 46:42)
• Holiday Etiquette Tips:
  • Christmas trees should go up with the start of Advent.
  • Christmas cards: send 2–3 weeks early (especially overseas).
  • Choose nativity or “Father Christmas” cards to honor tradition. (Yates, 48:37)
• Teaching Etiquette: Promotes online/in-person etiquette classes to help restore standards among youth.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we’re going medieval on these people.”—Steve Bannon, [00:02], [16:24]
• “Artificial intelligence is the whole economy. It's responsible for all economic growth. Everything hinges on this. That’s not true.” —Dave Brat, [04:02]
• “Neither state nor federal laws have done much of anything to protect children, to protect communities, to protect creators, or to protect people from censorship.”—Joe Allen, [07:57]
• “What galls me about that... that's treating MAGA like morons... That's only insults people's intelligence. This issue is so much more sophisticated.”—Steve Bannon, [10:24]
• “Testosterone is the master male hormone... Everything we associate with men, assertiveness, courage, is driven by testosterone... if we’re seeing... a civilizational decline in testosterone, then we’re ending up with men without chests.”—Dr. Ren, [37:11]
• “My motto is you have to go back to the past to find class.”—Kellyanne Yates, [45:50]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:51–05:59: Opening on Federal Reserve, AI regulatory struggles, political context.
• 05:59–07:24: Dave Brat on interest rates, AI’s role in GDP.
• 07:57–13:45: Joe Allen on AI executive orders, contradictions in tech policy, China debate.
• 31:09–39:57: Masculinity crisis: testosterone decline, endocrine disruptors, book pitch.
• 44:34–49:30: Social & Christmas etiquette with Kellyanne Yates.

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Tone & Style

The episode maintains a punchy, combative, and passionate tone. Bannon’s rhetoric is direct and often incendiary. Guests provide a mix of technical expertise, data-backed arguments, and cultural commentary, always with a sense of urgency regarding American decline and renewal.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is a wide-ranging exploration of America’s political, economic, technological, and social tipping points. If you missed it, expect sharp criticism of policy elites, deep skepticism about Big Tech’s motives, strong calls for masculine renewal, and practical advice for restoring civility—framed by an unmistakably populist, right-leaning worldview.

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Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Joe Allen]

WAR ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Steve Bannon]

Wednesday 10th December Year Overlord 2025 Nothing's more serious than what we're talking about. This whole situation with artificial intellig, the development of it, its rollout, it's going to hit every aspect of your life, also the national security aspects of it. And who actually is kind of overseeing it or making sure that we have at least some sort of regulatory apparatus. Remember, we are the deconstruction administrative state, but like the ofTC and the FCC, the way they're operating now I think is terrific. You have to have at least some regulatory. I do believe you can get to a potentially preemption if you have some sort of regulatory environment where the four frontier labs are not just running on their own with no oversight and really no insight into what they're doing. And you're seeing people that are pretty safe pair of hands like Mike Davis, et cetera, going forward with these proposals on the four Cs and they're just getting dismissed. I think the reason that people are working so hard on this was dismissive attitude of broligarchs in trying to jam in this AI amnesty into the, you know, the must pass big beautiful bill. We need that for the economy. And then to come back with virtually the exact same document and try to put it into the NDA. That level of arrogance just not going to wash, just not going to hack it. And I think it shows you what they think of the American people and MAGA in trying to do that. And that's why I think President Trump's being really deserved by not getting a broader picture because I believe these people give him just one side of information and it's because don't take it from me, we know it's dead wrong because of what happened the second time when they tried to put it in the ndaa. This was not even close the first time. At least it came to a vote in the Senate where they lost 99 to 1. That should send a signal to anybody that it ain't gonna work. But to come back with the exact same thing and just be polled, not even put up or not even have a sidebar vote on it to be pulled because, quote, unquote, it lost momentum because people started to see what they were doing in the middle of the night in this aspect on the chips has really got to be thought through. By the way, I want to thank particularly the Birch Gold guys, our sponsor. Look, silver's on fire now. Over 60 bucks. Gold is on, you know, on fire again. I think it's over 4,200. It's not the price here, it's the pattern recognition of what's going on. Of course. Huge day at the Federal Reserve today. President Trump will be all over that. He's announced already that he and Scott Bessant, Treasury Secretary Bessant, are going to interview Kevin Warsh, going to their final rounds of interviews. I think they announced. I think that might even be today or tomorrow. So a lot going on in the world of finance and capital markets. Want to thank Burch Gold. Just the thing you should do now is get to Philip Patrick and the team and find about all the different methodologies you can do. And to have them give you even more backup information. Birchgold.com, promo code. Bannon, go get to Philip Patrick and his team today because this financial turbulence is going to go for a while. Dave Brat, your thoughts. I know your thoughts on what Chris McGuire had to say. This whole situation with artificial intelligence, I know you got a bounce, but your thoughts also about the Federal Reserve this afternoon, sir?

[Raw Egg Nationalist (Dr. Ren)]

Yeah.

[Dave Brat]

Well, great comments on the chips. I learned a lot. That's a sharp guy on the war room. Spread this platform. I'll just add some of the economics around AI Sometimes the economics and the narrative gets blown up. You know, artificial intelligence is the whole economy. It's responsible for all of economic growth. Everything hinges on this. That's not true. I got a sober, you know, safe pair of hands, as you say, economists, sends me reports. I get reports from all my economist buddies. This guy did a real good job. I want to. I won't name him, so he keeps his job. But if you take GDP growth at, say, 3%, right, that's what we've been talking about, and you decompose, you just break it up into its part. What causes the 3%? Well, consumption is the biggest Part of the economy. So that's 2%. Right. So of the 3%, personal consumption is, you know, two thirds of the economy usually. And it is now the remaining part, the big part, non residential, fixed investment, non residential and non housing. So how big is fixed investment and where is that? It's pretty good. It's pretty good. But the surprising piece is structures are not up. Structures are flat up a hair. So all these data centers you're hearing about, that's not a huge part of the economy. But the good news is equipment and info processing equipment are up significantly. So it looks like we'll get some productivity gains. They'll take place within existing structures. And those together, those account for, you know, about 1% of that 3% GDP growth. And so I think it's important for us and the president and other people speaking on the economy to put, put these AI stories in context so we don't get too carried away.

[Steve Bannon]

Your thoughts today on your thoughts today on the Fed, on Powell, the last, the last hurrah. Powell, although I don't think he's leaving. I don't think he's given up his governorship post. That's for another day. We'll talk about it. I don't think he's seen the last of Powell. But your thoughts about today?

[Dave Brat]

Yeah, yeah. It looks like they're going to lower rates. You know, it'll be a little bit. And so, you know, that's fine. They've been, you know, sticky. The Fed's been very reluctant. You know, they raised rates up to five, five and a half after the, in 21, 22, after Covid and after the financial disasters. And they've wanted to make sure inflation. Right. The famous phrases, don't let the horse out of the barn. Once inflation starts galloping, it's very hard to reel it back in. Right. So there the Federal Reserve is split on that. But Trump wants pro growth. And so, you know, they have a lot of levers in house there and I think they have too many levers. And so Bassent is doing some innovative stuff on the money front out of Treasury. I hope he can explain some of that. That's very complex as well. But I think he's the guy to follow on the new monetary story and the degree of liquidity we're going to have.

[Steve Bannon]

Where do people go to get all your content, sir?

[Dave Brat]

Yep, just brat economics on getter and on X. And everybody, please. You just heard the guy on chips. You're not going to hear that anywhere else. You got Joe coming up you got the Health Health guys coming up. I've been talking with him in the studio. Just great people on the war Room. Spread this platform. If you want to save the country, save the platform. Get this platform busting. Thanks, Steve.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, Dave. Look forward to getting you back during the week. Thank you, sir.

[Dave Brat]

Thank you. You bet.

[Steve Bannon]

The buried Lee there drops. I was over the White House yesterday. Dave. Brad, the best Joe Allen, alternative eos, everything that's going on. What do you got? What do you got for. You've been around the country, you're working very closely with these people on. There's a couple of Eos out there now, since they're not going to go the route of. Of something right in the. Of something right into the ndaa. What are you hearing?

[Joe Allen]

Yes, Steve, you've got the big push from David Sachs for his version of an executive order that one imagines will probably reflect the draft that we saw a couple of weeks ago. Basically total preemption, as much power as possible to squash state laws. David Sacks put out a tweet two days ago, one rule book for AI, and in it he's basically trying to mollify the concerns brought up by Mike Davis, the four Cs, child protection communities, creators and censorship. But his approach is to take the focus off of AI completely. Basically, he's saying that we already have legislation in place to take care of this. You don't need special laws directed specifically at AI, which, I mean, just to be quite frank, is total nonsense. It's obvious in every single case that neither state nor federal laws have done much of anything to protect children, to protect communities, to protect creators, or to protect people from censorship. So I'm not really sure why he thought that would fly. You have tons of great criticism coming from people much smarter than me, Brad Carson, Max Tegmark and many others simultaneously. Steve, you have alternate EEOs. Sorry, alternate EOs, alternate executive orders, which are being circulated right now in the administration. I know that it's in the hands of the staffers at ostp, the Office of Science and Technology Policy. It's in the hands of Vice President J.D. vance's staffers. I hope that it will be in the hands of pretty much anyone in the administration who has any will whatsoever to push back on Sachs and his various backers, Andreessen Brockman and so forth. The two EOs, which I've only just had a chance to look at, the alternate EOs, just at a first reading, I think are extremely reasonable and they in fact address David Sacks biggest Talking point. He always talks about the woke AI. If we allow California or Colorado to dictate AI policy, which they wouldn't, but if they are allowed to pass laws.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on, but hang on, hang on. That is treating. Hang on. What galls me about that. That's treating maggot like the morons. Oh, let's start woke out there and that's going to frighten all the MAGA people breathe through their mouths. Dude. That does not. That's only insults people's intelligence. Okay? This, this, this issue is so much more sophisticated that they see, they throw out, they think their belief, the tech bros. Is that the MAGA movement and the Warren posse are just, you know, bib overalls and breathe through their mouth. That's their mindset. And that they're, you know, they're the masters. They're the masters of the universe. So they throw at some. Oh, woke AI. Woke AI has nothing to do with this. This is so much more serious than that. And you have guys like Ron DeSantis and others, Governor DeSantis and many others around the country working on this right now. So that's just a directional thing. They don't want. If they had any, if they came forward with even a modicum of. Here's what a regulatory apparatus would look like. Here's what we would do to make sure that the Frontier labs, particularly since they're taking government money and particularly since specifically because you had the CEO about the national labs that would be able to have people that could monitor what's going on and see what's going on. Because we just can't let these guys run out of control. And that's what they're asking for. Plus Chris McGuire right there just with a set of facts, proved the lie. The Chinese Communist Party is behind us potentially for years if you just cut them off with the chips. Their whole argument is that we have to go at breakneck speed. You guys can't look at anything, you can't do anything. And for the kids, the devil catch the hindmost because we're in a race against the Chinese Communist Party. At the same time, the exact same people, the exact same people argue that the United States should give its best technology to the Chinese Communist Party so that they can be in the American stack. Right? Which is all just a blatant lie. Go ahead, Steve.

[Joe Allen]

That contradiction sits at the heart of basically all of their arguments. You've got the argument that we can't, we can't slow down or China will race ahead. But they're not Treating China like a competitor, they're treating China like a customer. They're obviously not that concerned about them coming, going ahead if they're willing to give them our second best chips or any chips whatsoever, as Maguire so eloquently put it. But there's two other major contradictions that these guys are really resting on that. Number one, you've got this argument that we need more and more immigrants. We need more and more H1BS in order to create the software to write the programming and push America ahead on AI. Simultaneously they make the argument that if we push ahead on AI, we'll be able to replace all coders. We'll be able to replace, in fact all white collar workers and all blue collar workers. They're going to have to decide whether or not we need more immigrants and if so, what that leads to. And secondly, they also argue that the ultimate purpose of this is to create artificial general intelligence. The ultimate purpose is not just to replace workers, but to replace leaders. Who do we turn to for answers to all these problems? What expert do we turn to? They say that we will eventually some in the next two or three years. They say that we will eventually turn to AI for all answers. If that's the case, then yeah.

That'S it for us.

[Steve Bannon]

Elon said this was at this forum they were having and it had all these kind of Elon type people there, these were fans of his, not, not opponents. And they were asking about a different question related, kind of a subset of this. And Elon told the guy, they asked a question, he said, don't worry about it, don't worry about it. In five or 10 years, 10 years, the max, five years, the earliest AI will be making every, all decisions, every major decision and you don't have to worry about it. And then as a throwaway, he kind of says, let's hope it's good. I AGI, I was like, what? You can even hear the audio. You see the audience kind of, you know, his fanboys. Joe, hang on. We got a lot to talk about. Raw Egg Nationalist is going to join us. President Trump put out a national security memorandum, basically told the Europeans, hey, I'm not so sure. Why should I deal with you? I'm not so sure you're going to be around in the next, in the next 20 or 30 years. Raw egg Nationalist is going to join us. Talk about all of that, particularly nationalism next in the world. I got American baby.

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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies. Because we're going medieval on these people. You're just not getting a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that. But you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. And ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Joe Allen]

War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Steve Bannon]

Wednesday 10th December Year Overlord 2025 Nothing's more serious than what we're talking about. This whole situation with artificial intelligence, the development of it, it's rollout. It's going to hit every aspect of your life. Also the national security aspects of it. And who actually is kind of overseeing it or making sure that we have at least some sort of regulatory apparatus. Remember, we are the deconstruction administrative state. But like the ofTC and the FCC, the way they're operating now, I think it's Terrific. You have to have at least some regulatory. I do believe you can get to potentially a preemption if you have some sort of regulatory environment where the four frontier labs are not just running on their own with, with no oversight and really no insight into what they're doing. And you're seeing people that are pretty, you know, safe pair of hands like Mike Davis, etc, going forward with these proposals on the four Cs and they're just getting dismissed. I think the reason that people are working so hard on this was dismissive attitude of broligarchs in trying to jam in this AI amnesty into the, you know, the must pass big beautiful bill. We need that for the economy. And then to come back with virtually the exact same document and try to put it into the NDA. That level of arrogance just not going to wash, just not going to hack it. And I think it shows you what they think of the American people and MAGA in trying to do that. And this is why I think President Trump's being really deserved by not getting a broader picture because I believe these people give him just one side of information. And it's because, don't take it from me, we know it's dead wrong because of what happened the second time when they tried to put it in the ndaa. This was not even close the first time at least it came to a vote in the Senate where they lost 99 to 1. That should send a signal to anybody that it ain't going to work. But to come back with the exact same thing and just be pulled, not even put up or not even have a sidebar vote on it be pulled because, quote, unquote, it lost momentum because people started to see what they were doing in the middle of the night.

In this aspect on the chips has really got to be thought through, Brad. By the way, I want to thank particularly the Birch Gold guys, our sponsor. Look, silver's on fire now. Over 60 bucks. Gold is on, you know, on fire again. I think it's over 4,200. It's not the price here, it's the pattern recognition of what's going on. Of course, huge day at the Federal Reserve today. President Trump will be all over that. He's announced already that he and Scott Bessant, Treasury Secretary Bessant, are going to interview Kevin Warsh, going to their final rounds of interviews. I think they announced, I think that might even be today or tomorrow. So a lot going on in the world of finance and capital markets. Want to thank Birch Gold. Just the thing you should do now is get to Philip Patrick and the team and find about all the different methodologies you can do. And to have them give you even more backup information, the birchgold.com promo code. Bannon, go get to Philip Patrick and his team today because this financial turbulence is going to go for a while. Dave Brat, your thoughts. I know your thoughts on what Chris McGuire had to say. This whole situation with artificial intelligence, I know you got a bounce, but your thoughts also about the Federal Reserve this afternoon, sir?

[Dave Brat]

Yeah. Well, great comments on the chips. I learned a lot. That's a sharp guy on the war room spread this platform. I'll just add some of the economics around AI. Sometimes the economics and the narrative gets blown up. You know, artificial intelligence is the whole economy. It's responsible for all of economic growth. Everything hinges on this. That's not true. I got a sober, you know, safe pair of hands, as you say, economists, sends me reports. I get reports from all my economist buddies. This guy did a real good job. I want to, I won't name him, so he keeps his job. But if you take GDP growth at say, 3%, right, that's what we've been talking about, and you decompose, you just break it up into its part. What causes the 3%? Well, consumption is the biggest part of the economy, so that's 2%. Right. So of the 3%, personal consumption is, you know, two thirds of the economy usually. And it is now the remaining part, the big part, nonresidential fixed investment, non residential and non housing. So how big is fixed investment and where is that? It's pretty good. It's pretty good. But the surprising piece is structures are not up. Structures are flat up a hair. So all these data centers you're hearing about, that's not a huge part of the economy. But the good news is equipment and info processing equipment are up significantly. So it looks like we'll get some productivity gains. They'll take place within existing structures. And those together, those account for, you know, about 1% of that 3% GDP growth. And so I think it's important for us and the President and other people speaking on the economy to put, put these AI stories in context so we don't get too carried away.

[Steve Bannon]

Your thoughts today on your thoughts today on the Fed, on Powell, the last, the last hurrah, Powell, although I don't think he's leaving. I don't think he's given up his governorship post. That's for another day. We'll talk about it. I don't think he's seen the last of Powell. But your thoughts about today?

[Dave Brat]

Yeah, yeah. It looks like they're going to lower rates. You know, it'll be a little bit. And so, you know, that's fine. They've been, you know, sticky. The Fed's been very reluctant. You know, they raised rates up to five, five and a half after the, in 2122, after Covid and after the financial disasters. And they wanted to make sure inflation. Right. The famous phrase is don't let the horse out of the barn. Once inflation starts galloping, it's very hard to reel it back in. Right. So there the Federal Reserve is split on that. But Trump wants pro growth. And so, you know, they have a lot of levers in house there and I think they have too many levers. And so Besant is doing some innovative stuff on the money front out of Treasury. I hope he can explain some of that. That's very complex as well. But I think he's the guy to follow on the new monetary story and the degree of liquidity we're going to have.

[Steve Bannon]

Where do people go to get all your content, sir?

[Dave Brat]

Yep, just brat economics on Getter and on X. And everybody, please, you just heard the guy on chips. You're not going to hear that anywhere else. You got Joe coming up. You got the Health Health guys coming up. I've been talking with him in the studio. Just great people on the war room. Spread this platform. If you want to save the country, save the platform. Get this platform busting. Thanks, Steve.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, Dave. Look forward to getting you back during the week. Thank you, sir.

[Dave Brat]

Thank you. You bet.

[Steve Bannon]

The buried Lee there drops. I was over the White House yesterday. Dave. Brad, the best Joe Allen, alternative eos, everything that's going on. What do you got? What do you got for. You've been around the country, you're working very closely with these people on. There's a couple of EOs out there now since they're not going to go the route of. Of something right in the. Of something right into the ndaa. What are you hearing?

[Joe Allen]

Yes, Steve, the you've got the big push from David Sachs for his version of an executive order that one imagines will probably reflect the draft that we saw a couple of weeks ago. Basically total preemption, as much power as possible to squash state laws. David Sacks put out a tweet two days ago, one rule book for AI and in it he's basically trying to mollify the concerns brought up by Mike Davis. The four C's, child protection communities Creators and censorship. But his approach is to take the focus off of AI completely. Basically he's saying that we already have legislation in place to take care of this. You don't need special laws directed specifically at AI, which I mean, just to be quite frank, is total nonsense. It's obvious in every single case that neither state nor federal laws have done much of anything to protect children, to protect communities, to protect creators, or to protect people from censorship. So I'm not really sure why he thought that would fly. You have tons of great criticism coming from people much smarter than me, Brad Carson, Max Tegmark and many others simultaneously. Steve, you have alternate EEOs, sorry, alternate EOs, alternate executive orders which are being circulated right now in the administration. I know that it's in the hands of the staffers at ostp, the Office of Science and Technology Policy. It's in the hands of Vice President J.D. vance's staffers. I hope that it will be in the hands of pretty much anyone in the administration who has any will whatsoever to push back on Sachs and his various backers, Andreessen, Brockman and so forth. The two EOs, which I've only just had a chance to look at, the alternate EOs, just at a first reading, I think are extremely reasonable. And they in fact address David Sacks biggest talking point. He always talks about the woke AI. If we allow California or Colorado to dictate AI policy, which they wouldn't, but if they are allowed to pass laws.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Raw Egg Nationalist (Dr. Ren)]

Well, when I didn't really have that much more to do during the pandemic, I was. I was slonking 24 a day, which is. Which is probably even a bit excessive for me, actually. I did end up getting a little bit sick of raw eggs, but I'm down to a. I'm down to a more healthy sort of 12, which is. Which I think is when you really start to feel the benefits. And that's what I say to people, you know, if you're going to slonk, work up to 12 a day, you know, you've got to be working out, of course, you've got to be lifting weights, but you will feel a tremendous difference.

[Steve Bannon]

You. I think it was in 1939, 1940, 41, when we first started the draft, before Pearl harbor, we knew, our elites knew that something wicked this way comes, both and Germany and Imperial Japan. So they started. We started rearming years after the British did and the Germans. But we started drafting, I think, in 39 they put in the draft. I believe, if memory serves correctly, I could be offing these numbers somewhat, but the average testosterone. And these are kids coming out of the Depression, right? This is a hard Scrabble life for most of the country. The average draftee, I think the testosterone count was like 2,400 or some number that's just off the charts. And you see these kids in the photos, they're all in great shape because they were just lean, mean. They looked hungry, like wolves, right? And they didn't have a great life. They had a tough life. That's what formed the greatest generation. I think today is the average Testosterone for a man, five or six hundred. I mean, it's the number, my numbers may not be exactly right, but direction there's been just a collapse of testosterone. Why is that and what implications that had on modern society?

[Raw Egg Nationalist (Dr. Ren)]

Yes, there has been a collapse in levels of testosterone. So I mean, one of the gold standard studies that demonstrates this is called the Massachusetts Male Aging Study. It was done in the Boston area from about, I think 1988 to sort of 2002, 2004, taking in a random sample of men of all ages in the Boston area, taking blood samples over time and charting trends. And it showed that there was a 1%, year on year decrease in testosterone levels across the period. So 25 years, 25%. And other studies have substantiated this over a longer period in other parts of the west as well. So I mean, there is a, like Finland for example, and also Israel and other studies in the U.S. there's a civilizational collapse in testosterone levels and it goes hand in hand with the civilizational collapse too in other fertility markers. So sperm counts and sperm quality, for example. I mean, one expert, Professor Shanna Swan, predicts simply on the basis of sperm count Trends, that by 2050 it might actually be impossible for men to reproduce, for humans to reproduce by natural means, because the median man will have no sperm. So one half of all men will have, will produce no sperm whatsoever and the other half will produce so few it doesn't really matter. It's a knotty problem. It's a complicated problem. I mean, it has to do with a number of different factors. Rising obesity levels, sedentary lifestyles, stress, chronic stress. I mean, we're stressed in ways that our ancestors never were. You know, I mean, a hunter gatherer might experience chronic stress, not chronic stress, sorry, acute stress in a situation, you know, where they're hunting a wild animal or being hunted by a wild animal. But actually we're subject to chronic stress all the time and it's a real killer. But one of the main things actually that really is driving down testosterone levels and fertility are these harmful endocrine disrupting chemicals that RFK Jr talks a lot about and has made one of the central focuses actually of his Make America Healthy Again platform. These are industrial chemicals. These are chemicals that are found in personal care products, they're found in processed food. They're everywhere, basically. And what they do is they have, basically what they do is they, they mimic, most of them mimic the female hormone estrogen in the human body. And so they alter the natural balance of testosterone to Estrogen, and that's bad for men and also for women too. And it has all sorts of, all sorts of terrible practical effects. It drives down testosterone, it pushes, drives obesity, it drives particular kinds of cancer, metabolic dysfunction, digestive disorders. Really, actually probably the whole gamut of chronic diseases that we're witnessing, this explosion epidemic is driven by exposure to harmful chemicals. And so that's one of the reasons why actually.

I get concerned with the MAHA agenda when it looks like they're, you know, like the EPA is kind of watering down these promises about pesticide regulation, for example. Because actually that I think more than anything else, that's something that we haven't paid attention to in recent decades. We've allowed ourselves to create this horrible toxic environment. We're swimming in toxic chemicals from the moment of conception. And there are, you know, hundreds, thousands of studies that demonstrate that actually, you know, fetal exposure to these harmful chemicals sets children up for life actually with all sorts of chronic health problems potentially. So, yeah, it's chemicals in particular, it's this toxic environment that we've created that's really driving testosterone decline. And I mean, the effects, I think are, as I, as I say in the book, you know, I mean, testosterone is the master male hormone. Testosterone is, it's not the only thing that makes men men. And we shouldn't take this sort of crude standpoint on testosterone that just the man with the most testosterone is the most manly. It doesn't work like that. But nevertheless, testosterone is a defining factor in masculinity. It gives men libido, it gives them energy, it gives them muscle mass, it gives them confidence, motivation.

Everything that we associate with men, assertiveness, courage, is driven by testosterone. And so if, if we're seeing as we are a civilizational decline in testosterone, then we're really ending up with, actually with men without chests. And that's how C.S. lewis.

Described Western man in the 1940s when he was talking about failures in moral education. C.S. lewis said, we don't teach children what is right and what is wrong. We take this sort of value free or value neutral frame in education. We don't teach children and young men to love what they should love. As, you know, the great Western tradition in education, right back to the Greeks did. But he was talking metaphorically. He was using this metaphor of men without chests. Well, actually, we really are creating men without chests because we're sapping them of their testosterone from birth and it's having dire effects.

[Steve Bannon]

We got about a minute or two. Make the pitch for the book. I want People to, to not just get it for themselves. I want them to give it as a Christmas gift, particularly to young men. Give me a minute on why someone should give this as a Christmas gift, sir.

[Raw Egg Nationalist (Dr. Ren)]

Well, look, there's a crowded field of books about the crisis of masculinity. You've got people like Jordan Peterson, Senator Josh Hawley has a book, Richard Reeves. But none of them, I think, really get to the true biological basis of masculine decline in the, the west today. None of them talk about testosterone and more importantly, I think their prescriptions. Because they don't talk about testosterone, because they don't talk about the roots of masculinity in biology, in the way that you live, the way that you eat, the way that you behave. Their prescriptions really, I think, fall flat. So this is not only, I think, a more accurate description of the nature of, of the crisis of masculinity in the west and what's causing it, but it also contains eminently practical, very, very simple advice for men. How they can improve their testosterone, the kinds of ways that they can take control of their lives, take control of their diets, their lifestyles, how you can get better sleep, how you can cut processed foods out of your life, how you can avoid exposure to these endocrine disrupting chemicals and other nasty stuff substances and begin to rebuild your life. And it also fits it actually into a framework of national renewal as well. So that's, you know, again, the raw egg nationalism thing. This isn't just about you taking control of your life for your own benefit. It's actually about you taking control of your life along with other young men and actually doing something beneficial for the nation and maybe just saving Western civilization itself.

[Steve Bannon]

Doc, where do they go for your website, social media, all your coordinates, you're putting up stuff all the time. Where do folks go?

[Raw Egg Nationalist (Dr. Ren)]

So Twitter. I'm BabyGravy9 on Twitter. I'm raweggstack.com for my substack, raweggnationalist.com as well, if you want just a quick and easy site for all the different links. And my new book is the Last Liberalism and the Death of Masculinity. You can pre order it now from Amazon.com and it's going to be out on December 16th.

[Steve Bannon]

December 16th. Perfect Christmas gift, Doc. Thank you so much. Joe Allen, tell people where, Joe, you're going to be out and about. People can actually see you, I think this weekend. Am I correct on that?

[Joe Allen]

Yeah. This is going to be a small gathering at Merriweather Academy. There's A couple of slots left. You can find the link right at the top of my social media. Oebotxyz. It is a boys club, so sorry, no girls allowed. And if you come, you can't just sit and do nothing. You're expected to participate. You're expected to chop wood and burn it and maybe even, I don't know, one on one fist fighting, maybe two on two. We'll see. You know, after hearing Dr. Ren speak, I think I'm going to go straight from here to the gym and then to the farmer's market to get a dozen eggs, eat all of them raw and I don't know, maybe pick a fight on the street just to see if I can up my tea just a little bit. We'll see.

[Steve Bannon]

There's a method to my madness to put Raw Ignatius in there. Where to go? People go to get all your writings right now. You're putting up great stuff every day. You're going around the country giving talks. You're working on another big project for us. Where do people go?

[Joe Allen]

Go to E, B, O T X Y, Z and get her and my website, JoeBot XYZ. Thank you very much Steve.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you. Thank raw egg nationalists. Appreciate you guys holding down the fort. Joe, you're actually going to be back at 5 o' clock before Joe heads to Nashville. He's going to be back. Make sure you go check out where you can see Joe this weekend. Joe Allen, see you back here at 5:00'.

[Raw Egg Nationalist (Dr. Ren)]

Clock.

[Joe Allen]

Thanks, sir.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Joe Allen]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[Steve Bannon]

Continuing on the concept of masculinity, Kellyanne Yates, who's a etiquette expert. I have her on here for Christmas, etiquette. But Kellyanne, you teach etiquette, you teach deportment. You're kind of what the conservative Mary Poppins, I think you've been called. Talk to us about you're coming out with a book, I think in the future about masculinity, chivalry and etiquette, correct?

[Kellyanne Yates]

Yes, absolutely. Well, my first book is the Art of, of a Feminine lady. And I thought it would be lovely to accompany that with a book for the gentlemen since this book is all about ladies and, and femininity. But I do see that there's a missing market for it because, well, look at Charlie Kirk. For me, he was a perfect gentleman. And so it's going to be a lot of focusing on chivalry and how to be confident in any social situation.

[Steve Bannon]

How does one get it back in a society that's devolved as much as ours? How do you get chivalry, class, etiquette? How do you get that back in, accept it in a broad range of culture, ma'.

[Raw Egg Nationalist (Dr. Ren)]

Am.

[Kellyanne Yates]

Well, my motto is you have to go back to the past to find class. And that's what we're looking at now. You have to really look at you just go back even 50 years ago, gentlemen really knew how to dress. And now it's not uncommon. I was at the gas station the other day and I actually saw a man in his pajamas and slippers. And that was unheard of, you know, a few years ago. But it's becoming very slobbish and lazy, the Western society. And I think we have to start going back to the past to look for inspiration. That's where I get a lot of my inspiration from.

[Steve Bannon]

Charlie Kirk was a young man that inspired many with his humility, but also his toughness. Why do you say he's an example of etiquette and being a gentleman?

[Kellyanne Yates]

Well, he always displayed perfect gentleman, in my opinion, because he was able to convey his message without, you know, making fun of people. He was very polite and he, he dressed well, of course, but he was a good communicator. And yeah, he was a perfect gentleman. He was a Christian and a part of that comes into it. And I, I loved him very much. He sent me a message once on social media because I did a video on the etiquette of abortion and how we should respect our body and the body of another human being. And it was just a little message because I had tagged him in my story and he wrote back to me just to say, excellent video, great, great points, thanks for sharing. And I was quite thrilled at the time to receive that message, but now it means the world to me. But yes, he was a perfect gentleman. You have to watch any of his videos, you can see he was a gentleman. He was just perfect in Mike's opinion.

[Steve Bannon]

Give me a minute or two on you're talking about Christian. I saw the other day about Christmas etiquette. Why, why? What is Christmas etiquette and why is it different than etiquette the rest of the time of the year?

[Kellyanne Yates]

Well, there's etiquette and everything, you know, there's etiquette, dating, etiquette, etiquette. You know, when you. A lot of people think of etiquette as a dining etiquette, a knife and fork and. But there's so much more to it than that. We're surrounded with it. But the Christmas etiquette, for example, the first day of Advent is when the Christmas trees officially go up. That's what etiquette dictates. So if you haven't got your Christmas tree up yet, I recommend you go out today and buy a Christmas tree, preferably a real one.

Christmas cards, they are supposed to go out two to three weeks early, especially if it's overseas. You want to aim at three weeks for the card to go out to make sure people have time to enjoy it. The first Christmas card was actually sent by Queen Victoria and it's a lovely tradition.

The favorite card for me is the nativity scene because it represents what Christmas is all about. Or a robin. Red breast is very nice too because everybody loves a robin and you can never go wrong with Father Christmas. Lovely Father Christmas card.

[Steve Bannon]

Where do we go? You teach. You have an etiquette academy. You try to teach young women this young men. Where do people go to find out more about you, more about your etiquette academy and more about your thoughts on Christmas etiquette.

[Kellyanne Yates]

Lydiatiquette.com we have online classes and I do video coaching. Also available for private coaching where I fly out and do in person coaching. And we have weekend events. We do a lot of fun things.

Can I just give a few tips on hosting an event over Christmas?

[Steve Bannon]

I tell you what, we'll have to have you back on that because I got to bounce to our own Mike Lindell. But get one more time, where do people go?

[Kellyanne Yates]

It's Lady Etiquette.com and I'm on social media at the Lady Etiquette on Instagram and Lady Etiquette Academy on Facebook.

And that's where you can find me.

[Steve Bannon]

We'll have you back on about hosting. I'll talk to my producer. We'll have you back on soon. Kellyanne Yates, lady Etiquette thank you so much, man for joining us here. Let's go ahead and book that can't do the next couple of days. People have to know about Christmas etiquette. Mike Lindell, big announcement tomorrow. I don't want to give it away but Mike Lindell is going to be with us for an extended period of time starting at 11:00am Eastern Standard Time tomorrow. From the factory floor of my pillow, my favorite company. What do you got for us today, sir? Give us a deal.

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