Episode 5011: Live From AMFest Day 2; Cernovich Live

Summary

Bannon's War Room, Episode 5011: Live from AMFest Day 2 with Mike Cernovich

Date: December 20, 2025
Location: AMFest, Phoenix, Arizona
Key Guests: Steve Bannon (Host), Mike Cernovich, Joe Allen, Oscar El Blue Ramirez, Javier Negre, Bo French, Advance UK representatives, Kongmin J. Lee

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Episode Overview

This special episode, broadcast live from AMFest Day 2, centers on global populist movements, immigration, the fight against socialism and communism in Latin America and beyond, threats posed by radical Islam, and the crisis of meaning in modern society. With notable guests like Mike Cernovich and on-the-ground reporters from Latin America and the UK, the episode spans issues from the migrant crisis and media narratives to technology, spirituality, and the decline of nationalism in countries such as South Korea.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. Venezuela, Narco-Terrorism, and U.S. Policy

• Oscar El Blue Ramirez reports from the Venezuela border, discussing President Trump’s designation of Nicolas Maduro and the Venezuelan regime as narco-terrorists.
• Venezuelan voices (Javier Negre) stress desperation under 25 years of dictatorship, support for Trump’s hardline policies, and fear of both internal repression and external action.
• Key Timestamps:
  • [00:00–03:52] – Discussion of U.S. actions against Maduro’s regime and reaction in Venezuela
  • [03:52–06:45] – Oscar’s live report from the tense border

Notable Quote:

“Right now, this border is completely agitated, completely tense because of the statements that Donald Trump has released just recently designating the regime of Venezuela as a narco-terrorist organization... They are completely afraid of what Donald Trump is going to do.”
— Oscar El Blue Ramirez [03:52]

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2. Hispanic Media, Migration, and the Fight Against “Fake News”

• Javier Negre (Spanish journalist) criticizes mainstream Hispanic media in the U.S., claiming outlets like Univision and Telemundo spread disinformation about Trump and ICE operations, misleading the Hispanic vote.
• New conservative Spanish-language media (RAV Latino, RAL Español) are positioned as truthful alternatives.
• Negre draws connections to Europe, warning America not to repeat the continent’s “mistakes” regarding mass immigration.

Key Timestamps:

• [06:45–10:45] – Media narratives, Hispanic voter outreach, and Negre’s new platform

Notable Quote:

“We lost Florida, we lost Miami, we lost New York because of the Hispanic voters. Fake news media like Univision, Telemundo, CNN... They’re not telling the people the truth that Trump is deporting bad people, that illegal aliens are criminals.”
— Javier Negre [07:25]

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3. Calls for Mass Deportation & “Restoring America”

• Ben (co-host) and Oscar El Blue Ramirez frame immigration as a battle for America’s soul, urging “mass deportations and mass incarcerations” of both illegal aliens and obstructive politicians.
• The idea is echoed at the state level, especially in Texas, where Bo French highlights the “Islamic invasion” and calls for the deportation of “100 million people” he claims shouldn’t be in the U.S.

Key Timestamps:

• [13:53–14:25] – Ben’s strong advocacy for ICE and enforcement
• [19:09–22:12] – Texas’s demographic and security challenges

Notable Quote:

“We need two things in this country: mass deportations and mass incarcerations of the politicians that are getting in the way.”
— Ben [13:53]

“We have a rhino problem in Texas… and predominantly the Islamic invasion… They’re moving in, taking over neighborhoods, city councils—the same playbook as Dearborn, Michigan, and Minnesota.”
— Bo French [19:09–20:03]

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4. The Spread of Radical Islam and Europe’s Crisis

• Guests from the UK and Texas draw dire parallels, warning of “jihadization” and community collapse.
• Advance UK claims a culture of silence around crimes committed by immigrants, especially Pakistani grooming gangs.
• There is an urgency to confront “moderate Islam,” branded as a “grass that hides the snake” of extremism.

Key Timestamps:

• [25:46–27:49] – UK perspective on mass migration, policing, and threats to national identity
• [27:49–28:17] – Calls to rally behind Advance UK

Notable Quote:

“Extreme Islam is the snake in the grass, but moderate Islam is the grass that hides the snake… Young girls are being raped, sexually assaulted and murdered by a certain cultural background and it is happening to white women.”
— Advance UK representative [25:56–27:24]

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5. Existential Crises, the “Meaning” Film, and Transhumanism

• Mike Cernovich introduces his new film “Meaning,” exploring crises of purpose in a “godless universe,” the lure of drugs and technology, and spiritual disconnection.
• The panel discusses AI, Neuralink, transhumanism, and the potential dangers and advantages of tech-human integration.
• The film is intentionally non-preachy, embracing multiple worldviews (Christian, transhumanist, shamanic/ayahuasca).

Key Timestamps:

• [30:00–42:34] – Film trailer and panel on “meaning,” technology, and faith

Notable Quotes:

“In the movie, we examine the question of the meaning of life, but also how people are chasing the dragon of dopamine, of experience, of partying and fornication and everything else, because they’re trying to reconnect with meaning, and they're doing it through these other methods that maybe aren't so helpful.”
— Mike Cernovich [33:13]

“If you had to pick a religion for people to follow, you would say, well, Christianity seems to be a good one. All right, you go for it. You have doubts? Everybody has doubts. Get over it.”
— Mike Cernovich [42:23]

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6. Nationalism, Declining Birthrates, and the Fight for Identity in Korea

• Kongmin J. Lee reflects emotionally on time spent with Charlie Kirk in Korea, underscoring Kirk’s message that nations are “homes for a people,” not just economic zones or ideas.
• The crisis of declining birthrates is tied to materialism and a loss of meaning, both in America and abroad.
• The discussion connects global nationalist movements, pushing back on globalism in Japan, Italy, and Korea.

Key Timestamps:

• [48:19–52:49] – Remembering Charlie Kirk, Korean nationalism, and materialism

Notable Quote:

“One thing Charlie talked about in his speech, which was very profound, was understanding the idea of a nation—that a nation is not just ideas, is not just an economic zone, but it is a home to a people… and they need to fight to protect it.”
— Kongmin J. Lee [49:05]

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Memorable Moments

• [03:52] – Oscar El Blue reports live from the Venezuelan border, describing intimidation by the National Guard and locals’ support for Trump.
• [33:13 & 34:37] – Mike Cernovich explains the depth of his “Meaning” film, and the spiritual void felt by many despite outward religiosity.
• [41:43] – Cernovich’s reluctant, hard-earned Christianity: “We are nothing. So then I just said, well, spirit world is real. Christianity seems to bear good fruit. So I guess I’m Christian, you know.”
• [49:05] – Emotional tribute to Charlie Kirk’s last weekend in Korea and the importance of national identity.

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Important Segment Timestamps

| Timestamp | Topic | |-------------|---------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00–03:52 | Venezuela policy, Trump's stance on Maduro and narco-terrorism| | 03:52–06:45 | Live reporting from Venezuela border, regime fears | | 06:45–10:45 | Hispanic media narratives, new conservative Spanish media | | 14:25–16:28 | Calls for strong immigration enforcement and deportations | | 19:09–22:12 | Islam and demographic change in Texas | | 25:46–27:49 | UK perspective on mass migration and policing | | 30:00–42:34 | "Meaning" film preview, transhumanism, existential issues | | 48:19–52:49 | Recalling Charlie Kirk in Korea, nationalism, birthrates |

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Where to Find the Guests

• Oscar El Blue Ramirez: @OscarBlueRamirez on all social media; Real America's Voice News
• Javier Negre: Show every Sunday, 8pm EST on RAL Español (YouTube, Apple TV, Samsung TV)
• Bo French: beaufrench.com, @beaufrenchtx (X/Twitter)
• Mike Cernovich: @Cernovich on X/Twitter
• Kongmin J. Lee: @kongminjlee on X, Instagram, YouTube

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Tone and Language

• Direct, emotional, combative—emphasizing existential stakes
• Frequent religious references; language of warfare ("We're going medieval on these people")
• Aggressive stance against “fake news” media, leftist politics, and perceived threats to Western values

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Summary

This episode delivers a fervent defense of nationalist, conservative values as speakers confront what they see as existential threats—socialism and narco-terrorism in Latin America, demographic and cultural shifts due to migration, and the loss of meaning in the modern world. Ground reports, international comparisons (from Texas to the UK to Korea), and spiritual reflection (via Cernovich’s film) all weave into a call for action—political, cultural, and personal—to reclaim nations, identities, and purpose.

Transcript

[Javier Negre]

Think about Donald Trump designating Nicolas Maduro as a narco terrorist. Good. Well done. I think it's good. And that's the best designation Trump has ever made. That's what he is, a terrorist. Do you support Donald Trump in all the decisions he has made? Of course I support him. And I'm Venezuelan. One doesn't want an invasion. But what else can we do? We're up to here, up to our necks with 25 years of this narco dictatorship. The President of the United States, Donald Trump, has destroyed over 20 boats in international waters carrying synthetic drugs from Venezuela and has designated them as terrorists. What's your opinion on that? Well, everyone knows this is the mandatory route for drugs coming through Colombia. This is the major highway of Latin America. There's the cartel of the suns operating in Venezuela. Do you think it's appropriate to designate them as terrorists? Of course. What else would you call people who traffic drugs? The terror, the youth, all the destruction they cause, especially to young people. Of course. He showed his voting records. Corinna Machado had the courage to collect copies of all the original voting records. Gathering the copies that remain from the cne. Last I heard was that an oil tanker heading to Russia was destroyed. So they're not even stopping for Russia. Here we are, the Americans. Only they impose their strategy.

[Ben]

God bless you.

[Javier Negre]

To America.

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies. Because we're going medieval on these people. Prison's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that.

[Bo French]

But you're not going to stop it.

[Steve Bannon]

It's going to happen.

[Mike Cernovich]

And where do people like that go.

[Bo French]

To share the big lie?

[Mike Cernovich]

MAGA Media.

[Bo French]

I wish in my soul, I wish.

[Oscar El Blue Ramirez]

That any of these people had a conscience.

[Steve Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and.

[Ben]

What is my purpose?

[Mike Cernovich]

If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Steve Bannon]

War room.

[Bo French]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[Joe Allen]

Howdy, howdy, Phoenix, Arizona. How is your turning point so far? You guys having a good time or what? This is maybe the last bastion of real America against whatever is coming next. So enjoy yourselves while it lasts.

[Host/Moderator]

So you guys might be wondering why it's Baby, Honey Badger and the team up here and not Honey Badger. He's getting ready for his speech, so once we're done here, he will be speaking on main stage at 5:45 local time. So make sure to get a good seat to see Honey Badger on main stage. But enjoy the next hour with us up here.

[Mike Cernovich]

But Ben, now, real quick, before we.

[Ben]

Go out to Oscar, any. Any specific bombs that he's going to be dropping on stage tonight.

[Host/Moderator]

You'll have to wait and see.

[Joe Allen]

There's been a lot of incoming fire, so one imagine if there might be some return fire.

[Ben]

I know one thing, Steve does not pull punches. So if you stay tuned, it's going to be amazing.

[Host/Moderator]

Oh, yeah, you definitely have to get in there to see it.

[Ben]

But speaking of important, amazing things, we've got my brother, Oscar El Blue Ramirez down on the border of Venezuela as we speak. Oscar, tell us where you are, what you're doing, and why did you not invite me? I. This is just unacceptable. I should be there with you, my man. And actually, one other question. Was that an AI voice Joe was asking on that interview? No, I'm just kidding. Oscar, where are you at, brother?

[Oscar El Blue Ramirez]

Well, Ben, we were right here in 2023. You were right here with me. It is impossible for you to be with me right now because an American citizen will be snatched by the National Guard of Venezuela and taken for captive and you will be hold hostage in the Venezuelan government as we speak. Right now, this border is completely agitated, completely tense because of the statements that Donald Trump has released just recently designating the regime of Venezuela as a narco terrorist organization. You have seen more deployment of the National Guard just behind me, just one step away, right there in Venezuela. Just a couple of minutes ago, they deployed three National Guardsmen just to see what we were saying, what we were doing. And they told me, if you put a step right here, we will arrest you and we will take you in for questioning. This is no joke. They are completely afraid of what Donald Trumpet is going to do. He designated the Cartel de Soles as a terrorist organization. He designated the regime as a terrorist organization. And the number one head of the snake, Nicolas Maduro, has been designated as a narco terrorist. The people are afraid to speak, but behind cameras, they have told us they had it. They're sick and tired of it. And they are all rooting for Donald Trump to pressure the government and to pressure the regiment them to be replaced and put a government where they can free the people of Venezuela.

[Ben]

And, Oscar, the crowd here loves that. Free the people of Venezuela. You know, the work we've done in Central and South America, you look at this, what President Trump is doing down there, blowing up the boats, attacking them. You had that one interview. Is that the consensus is There are people finally sick of this communist regime in Venezuela.

[Oscar El Blue Ramirez]

Absolutely the consensus. And it's absolutely 100% what the people want. And it is disgusting that this is what the Democrats are lying. You don't see this kind of interviews in the leftist media in the United States of America. This is what we need to fight. This is what Americans and patriots in the United States of America need to fight to spread the truth of what the real conservative Latinos and the real conservative countries in Latin America, they're completely against the socialist and communist regimes. But the only ones that they're pushing this narrative are the leftists and the Democrats and the progressive mercenary liberals in the United States of America. The majority of the people here are sick and tired of it. They want freedom. And believe me, Ben, we were right here in 2023. This was the bridge of the funneling of the most illegal migration of Venezuelans going through the Darien Gap. That we have been there four times. And believe me, if they will be free, you will see by the millions coming back to this bridge and coming back to the country where right now, at this particular moment in juncture, you see extreme National Guard tense because of this situation, that they think that the United States of America will come in and combat the organized crime of Nicolas Maduro. Ben.

[Ben]

You know, Oscar, I look at that and I see the work, the interviews you were doing in Mexico City just a couple weeks ago. And I compare that to what we see in our major inner cities across America where we have these leftist communist jihadists working against ice, attacking ice, obstructing ice, working with illegal aliens on stopping the deportation of illegal aliens. And right now we just launched Real America's Voice News just launched RAV Latino, the Hispanic version of rav. We've got Javier up here with us to counteract the lies of the mainstream media and in particular the Hispanic community. Javier, I wanted you to jump in on that and join in on the conversation with Oscar.

[Javier Negre]

So thank you very much. Oscar is a hero for me because he's in Mexico, he's in Venezuela, like fighting, having travel with his security. I'm Javier Negre. I'm a journalist, a Spanish journalist. We are having a show in Rafa Espanol every Sunday at 8, 8 in the afternoon. You should watch it. Because the communists are paying a lot of media in Florida, in New York, to tell lies. The Hispanic voters, we lost Florida, we lost Miami, we lost New York because of the Hispanic voters. Fake news media like Univision, like Telemundo, like cnn, they are telling Lies about ICE operations. They're not telling the people the truth that Trump is deporting bad people, that illegal aliens that are criminals. I'm Hispanic, I'm very happy with the ICE operation. And we have to tell the people, you know, we don't want Muslims, we don't want, we don't want people from drugs like Mexico, like Venezuela. I want to give like the same thanks to Steve Banham to rob sick and to Parker seats because in January we are going to have a full programming in Hispanic, in Samsung tv, in Apple TV and in raf because we have to win the Hispanic voter. I'm from Spain and right now Spain is being invaded by a lot of Muslims. Europe is being lost. And I came to America because it's the freedom country. I love Trump, I love Carol Levitt. They put me in the Oval Office to make the good questions. And we are supporting leaders like Javier Milei, like Cask in Chile, like no in Ecuador, like Bukele, like Meloni. I think that the right wing wave we have to support from the media in Spain. All the people is telling me like jokes about, hey, you want to be the next Steve Bano in the Hispanic world? Of course I'm proud of him.

[Host/Moderator]

I mean, who wouldn't want to be that?

[Javier Negre]

I would love to be that. Yeah, he's. I'm a fan of him. That's a dream for me, like to be in the set with you guys. So I'm very grateful to God to be and to fight, fight, fight against fake news. The fake news media like Univision, like Telemundo, like cnn, that are selling lies to the Hispanic voters. They think that Trump is unable and is not right. And I fighting against people like the president of Mexico. She's a president who is related to the narco dealers. I fight against Maduro in Spain. They want me to put me in jail because the government, the socialist government, they want to attack the freedom of speech. I want to give thank you to the room, to Ralph to give me this opportunity because I'm gonna be like fighting against all the fake news, all the George Soros, all the globalism that is paying a lot of media in Florida to tell lies about Trump, about the administration of Trump. And that's not fair for me. Yeah. And thank you very much.

[Ben]

Amen.

[Javier Negre]

Amen.

[Oscar El Blue Ramirez]

Amen.

[Ben]

We need this word to spread. And in every language around the world, MAGA is ascendant. You look at what happened in Chile and Argentina, all of that obviously Bukele in El Salvador. Oscar, what's Your plans? Where are you going? What's next down there? If you can tell us. I know some of what you're planning, you can't really talk about, but tell us what you have planned and then if you could give a message as a Mexican citizen to our ICE agents, our Border Patrol agents, President Trump, what would that be?

[Oscar El Blue Ramirez]

To all the audience right now and the American people in the Hispanic community, I would like to say to all of you, no mas mentiras, yas. No more lies. You guys are done. The media is coming in Spanish and we're taking over, and we are taking over the whole continent because we are going to spread the news like you guys. We have been lying to our Hispanic community inside of the United States of America. The Hispanic vote is one of the most important votes. And, and it is conservative by nature. We have three values. We are capitalists. One of the things that we are, hard workers. We have the family values that. That is extremely important, like the American people. And the number one value that we have, we are really truthful believers in God and our Lord Jesus Christ. So you guys are done. We're coming, we're going to take out the whole continent and we're going to be over here, the voters, with Venezuela, spreading the news that nobody wants to say. We are right here putting ourselves in harm's way. The National Guard of Venezuela is right here behind us, trying to just, you know, intimidate us, to not say the reality of what is going on with the narco terrorist regime of Nicolas Maduro terrorizing the people of Venezuela and trying to go against President Trump, that he's actually winning this war and he's actually going to win this war against every socialist. We are not going to let socialism win in the continent of America. And it starts from here and it starts from our network, Real Americans Voice newspaper. Thank you.

[Host/Moderator]

Amen, Oscar. Amen. Between now and the next time we see you on War Room, where can the posse find you?

[Oscar El Blue Ramirez]

Every social media platform is Oscar Blue Ramirez. But you can find me at the best network that exists that is real America's Voice News. And thank you to my brother Ben, because he was the one that invited me to this network. And now it has been almost seven to eight years working here. And I'm really blessed and extremely blessed to be with your father. That is a motivation to anybody and the whole continent of America. Everybody that spreads lies on the left says that the Hispanic community hates Steve Bannon. You're completely liars and you should be ashamed. Everybody you know admires Steve Bannon because he's a fighter against socialism and communism.

[Ben]

Amen, brother. Hey, God's blessing over you. We pray as angel armies are with you on that board border and everywhere you go against the enemies that want to destroy not just our nation, but the nations of the world.

[Host/Moderator]

And stay safe. Oscar and to correct you, Ben, it's Rav Espanol.

[Javier Negre]

But we have, we want Rob. He has to learn Spanish. Rob. Yes. And we love you. Thanks for the gracia, for the opportunity.

[Host/Moderator]

So Ben, when are the, are we going to see you out there with Oscar again?

[Ben]

Well, we're working on a few trips. First of the year, I'll be back out with ICE and Border Patrol embedding, exposing the enemies within our government and within our the country. We need two things in this country. We need mass deportations and mass incarcerations of the politicians that are getting in the way. And that's, you know, they're trying to get President Trump to pull off the brakes. The left are attacking ICE and Border Patrol. They're trying to demoralize them. And I got to tell you, as a guy who rides with these guys, almost every week all you're doing is putting fuel in their gas tanks. There is no, there is no brakes.

[Javier Negre]

It's all gas.

[Ben]

These guys are going. And Tom Holman, I'm going to be actually meeting with him on Sunday. We're not stopping. It's only getting started.

[Host/Moderator]

And Javier, where can the audience find you between now and the next time we see you on War Room?

[Javier Negre]

What do you say?

[Host/Moderator]

Where can the audience find you?

[Javier Negre]

Oh, the audience can find us every Sunday, 8, 8 in the afternoon, 8pm EST time in RAL in YouTube channel, in Apple TV in San TV. It's very important to support this show because in the midterms, we need the.

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[Mike Cernovich]

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[Javier Negre]

No.

[Oscar El Blue Ramirez]

What are you waiting for?

[Mike Cernovich]

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[Host/Moderator]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Ben]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Oscar El Blue Ramirez]

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[Mike Cernovich]

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[Host/Moderator]

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[Mike Cernovich]

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[Host/Moderator]

Hear it AM Fest. Let's hear it for War Room. So if you guys don't have getter, go to getter.com sign up. It's where my dad puts up his exclusive content. That's the only place you can find Steve Bannon exactly what he's thinking. Besides here on War Room. On Twitter you can find Grace Grace Chong going crazy on Twitter. But Gary Getter is the place to find Steve Bannon exclusively. Javier, where can the audience find you between now and next time we see.

[Javier Negre]

You on War Room we have every Sunday the show eight in the afternoon. We hate Telemundo, we hate Univision. We fight against all the Hispanic media that are publishing fake news against Trump using the AI operation to telling the people lies about the ICE operation and don't telling the people that Trump is doing correctly like Law Order and deporting criminals. So it's what I need is what we need in America because I came from Spain and we are being invaded by extremists, Muslim illegal aliens and I don't want United States in the same situation as we suffer in Europe and in Spain. So you can follow me, right? New show every Sunday 8:00pm Eastern Time in RAF and Spanol Real America's Voice website, Apple TV, Samsung TV and in my social networks. Javier Negrete, thank you very much and thanks to Rob Parker Sieve and the War Room to be here. And we are going to fight against the fake news Hispanic media that want to defeat Trump in the midterms, and we are not gonna let them do it. Thank you very much.

[Host/Moderator]

Thank you for joining us, Javier. And once again, that's Rev. Rav Espanol. Rav Espanol, Yes. Ben Espanol, not Espanol. So, Bo, you probably know Bo. He's been on here on the War Room, a guest of ours many times, but we came from Venezuela. What the heck is going on in Texas right now?

[Bo French]

Well, get segue because, you know, Venezuela produces a lot of oil, and we do, too, in Texas. Very important. Look, Texas produces almost half the oil and gas in the United States. So it is critical that we, we fortify, you know, our production here in the US to make us competitive on a global market. But, I mean, in Texas, we have a lot of problems. I think most people have kind of the Fox News version of Texas in their head. If you don't live in Texas, you don't know this. We're not near nearly as conservative as you think we are. We have a rhino problem in Texas. And, you know, most of our legislature, rhinos, there's about 20 good ones in there. You know, some of our leadership in Texas Rhinos. So we are fighting all kinds of things in Texas, predominantly the Islamic invasion. It is a serious problem in Texas.

[Host/Moderator]

And how are we going to fight that? Because it's, it's a very serious problem, and it's not going away and it's not getting any smaller. It's increasing in problem size.

[Bo French]

Yeah. So in Texas, we have over 300 mosques now, over 600 Islamic centers, and they are moving in. And of course, they do what they always do. They move into a neighborhood and they start, you know, they take over the neighborhood, then they start getting people on city councils and things like that. So it is the same playbook they've done in Dearborn, same playbook that the Somalis have done up in Minnesota. So they are doing the same thing in Texas. And by the way, you know, my sources in the intelligence community who've infiltrated these networks, they're all working together. So the ones from Dearborn, Michigan, are working with the ones in Texas. Okay. This is, this is a national effort. It is national security. And so we are working hard to expose this in Texas. I've been one of the leading voices in Texas talking about it, and it really is, it is critical. We have to address it now. We can't wait.

[Host/Moderator]

How. How we go about addressing it so that it decreases and doesn't continue to increase?

[Bo French]

Well, I get in a lot of trouble for how I want to address it, if you follow my X account. You know, but look, we have 100 million people in this country who shouldn't be here. We need to deport 100 million people. And everyone's like, oh, that's too many people. I'm like, well, we have 50 million illegals. And like, no, no, that's not. We have 11 to 12 million. And I'm like, no, we had 20 million before Biden was president. We had another 20 million that came in during Biden. And then you start counting anchor babies and things like that. And then the government said they had 55 million visa holders, including all the H1Bs. I mean, there are 100 million people in our country who shouldn't be here. So I'm a big fan of, you know, restoring America. And you do that by deporting a bunch of people. That. That solves almost every problem. And frankly, that helps solve the Islamic problem because most of the. Most of these people have come here as illegal aliens. A lot of them have overstayed visas. But then they start, you know, setting up their hive and working to, you know, radicalize people in these. In these mosques who are run by these radical imams who are, by the way, training over under the most radical people in the Middle East. Lots of associations with the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda, isis. So, I mean, it is a problem that is, like I said, it is here and now. And so we need to confront it.

[Host/Moderator]

How can the posse that doesn't live in the state of Texas, how can they help the state of Texas in this problem?

[Bo French]

Well, listen, I think it's. It's critical that you get involved, you know, at. In politics in your local area. I mean, this is a nationwide problem. It's not just in Texas, obviously, you know, I'm on the ballot as a statewide candidate in Texas, so I'm focused on it. But, you know, wherever you are, you need to be focused on it because they're coming after Florida. They're coming after, you know, Michigan, as we know, Minnesota. So they're getting footholds all over the country. And so it's not just one location.

[Host/Moderator]

And I agree with you. Like you said, everyone has to get involved. You can't think that this is just a Texas issue, that this is just a Florida issue. New York, we're seeing it across the country. And we can't sit back and let other people. People fight this. We have to fight it because we don't want our country to be overtaken. So I definitely agree with you, so goes Texas, and then so goes America. What is it? So goes the world.

[Bo French]

Well, listen, Texas is critical, and most people don't realize this, but without Texas, there is no pathway for a Republican to win the White House. Right. You have to have Texas. So, look, I was a big proponent of the redistricting. We picked up some, some congressional seats for Republicans in Texas. But, you know, I'm a big proponent also of electing the right Republicans. And all too often, you know, if you look at the Trump base that came out in 2024, the low propensity Trump voters, most of those people don't ever show up in primaries. So they're not, they're not helping select the Republicans that then go represent us on the ballot in November. And to me, that's critical. We should be electing unapologetic America first warriors at every level.

[Javier Negre]

Amen.

[Host/Moderator]

Amen. So I know you mentioned that you're running, so tell us a little bit about your election.

[Bo French]

Well, I'm running for the strangest named office in the, in the country, probably. It's the Texas Railroad Commission. It does not have anything to do with trains, but we do regulate the oil and gas industry and our mining industry in Texas, which obviously is super critical to, to our economy in Texas. And again, for national security purposes in the country.

[Host/Moderator]

How can the posse help and that.

[Mike Cernovich]

Help you with that?

[Bo French]

Well, I mean, you go to my website, beaufrench.com or you can follow me on Twitter beaufrenchtx. And, you know, there's lots of information. Yeah, exactly. So just the more people talking about it, I'm challenging an incumbent who's, who's a Rhino, of course, who has allowed DEI to increase under his chairmanship. They've gone. So the Texas Railroad Commission has gone from 41st in the state if you rank them in DEI spending to 9th. So they've increased the amount of DEI spending. They've done more than our state universities. And think about, like, University of Texas and other liberal schools. So it's really shocking that there's this focus on, on an industry that has national security implications. And they've been focused on DEI and hiring people that are unqualified. And, you know, we need to be hiring people based on merit, you know, novel concept, I know, but so, you know, if you want to NDEI in state government, if you want to have someone who's America first, unapologetically so who's, who's demonstrated a warrior in Texas, who's leading the fight on the Islamic invasion, then I'm your guy.

[Host/Moderator]

And Bo, what are your coordinates, your social media coordinates?

[Bo French]

Oh, my social media coordinates, yeah. I'm. The main place is. I mean, I'm on, I'm on all of them, but the main place that I spend most of my time is on X and that's Bow French tx.

[Host/Moderator]

Thank you again, Bo, for joining us.

[Bo French]

My pleasure.

[Ben]

Great.

[Host/Moderator]

Ben, do we have someone else?

[Mike Cernovich]

Yes.

[Ben]

So, speaking of it, it's not just an America problem. The jihadization of the world is happening. I have my friends here from the uk, Tell me your story.

[Host/Moderator]

So we've got a massive problem in the UK right now, like, like you said as well. And Islam, extreme Islam is not just the problem because moderate Islam is the people that are the problem as well. Because if you say that extreme Islam is the snake in the grass, but moderate Islam is the grass that hides the snake. If you look at what's happening in our country, there's 2,000 undocumented men coming into our country every week on rubber dinghies. Our government is of a part problem. Kema is a traitor to our country. And I am a part of the largest growing political party in the UK right now and that's called advance uk. And they are the only people and the only party that is going to deliver on what needs to happen in the uk. And I'm worried that if we don't get in in the next election, England has fallen. It is a massive problem. Young girls are being raped, sexually assaulted and murdered by a certain cultural background and it is happening to white women. And people need to speak about this because they are too afraid to be called racist, fascists, far right thugs, Nazis. But the truth is the truth. If there is a demographic of people attacking a certain demographic of people, then, then that has to be spoken about and that is Pakistani grooming. Gangs are attacking young white females.

[Ben]

How can people get more information about the organization?

[Javier Negre]

By the way, she went.

[Ben]

You went to prison for unfurling a British flag, right?

[Host/Moderator]

So I, I held up the Union Jack and I got brutally arrested by three police officers. They punched me, they was kicking me in the legs. And that was all filmed because there was plenty of citizen journalists at the time. And I am now suing the police for unlawful arrest.

[Ben]

If we don't stop this. I was just in England the last two summers and France. It's a global pandemic, real global pandemic, a global epidemic. The jihadization of the world. If we don't stop it. Not just Europe's gone, America's gone. I'VE got another one. We'll wait till after the break on a documentary that's coming out on the jihad of the world and. And we'll talk to Vicki in just a second.

[Host/Moderator]

Advance uk please get behind Advance UK led by Ben Habib.

[Mike Cernovich]

God bless you.

[Host/Moderator]

And we'll be back after a short commercial break here in the war room.

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[Mike Cernovich]

My life was just kind of this materialistic lifestyle.

[Host/Moderator]

I just felt so empty and worthless.

[Bo French]

You know, I'm around scumbags and pimps and whores.

[Host/Moderator]

I continued being promiscuous.

[Mike Cernovich]

There's no morality about it.

[Javier Negre]

It's just chemicals.

[Mike Cernovich]

It was trying to not feel rejected.

[Ben]

I was like losing my mind with.

[Mike Cernovich]

Depression, trying to feel loved, feel accepted.

[Ben]

Those fissures in my mind were becoming fractures.

[Bo French]

Is there a God? Because there is one. Why is he letting this type of stuff happen?

[Mike Cernovich]

I was trying to stop the voices in my head. You're a disappointment.

[Host/Moderator]

You're a disgrace.

[Bo French]

Everybody will be so much better without you.

[Ben]

What is the purpose of all this?

[Host/Moderator]

I was pronounced dead on the scene. And I said, if I'm up here and my body's down there, I think I just died and just slipping out.

[Mike Cernovich]

Of my body, you know, it was.

[Ben]

Almost akin to a near Death experience.

[Oscar El Blue Ramirez]

With ayahuasca, it's kind of the same.

[Host/Moderator]

There is something out there that was.

[Mike Cernovich]

Watching over me that day.

[Host/Moderator]

I felt the presence of a being next to me, so I assumed that it was God.

[Steve Bannon]

After all the pain and suffering, she.

[Bo French]

Will have eternity after that.

[Joe Allen]

This is the life we're counting on.

[Steve Bannon]

The life of the world to come.

[Bo French]

I found myself contemplating, what does it.

[Javier Negre]

Mean to be a human being?

[Mike Cernovich]

The universe has a purpose that's a larger version of the purpose that we see in our lives. If you take a painful experience and.

[Oscar El Blue Ramirez]

Create a piece of art, it assists.

[Ben]

With reconciliation of trauma.

[Bo French]

My experience of life is so weird.

[Mike Cernovich]

I feel like we're a simulation.

[Bo French]

Transcending the biological human being is our destiny.

[Ben]

This is the reason I'm a transhumanist.

[Bo French]

Neuralink proves we can rise above with creativity, but purpose is forever stuff, not gadgets. The desire for immortality is satisfied in Christ. You cannot save yourself.

[Mike Cernovich]

My whole life, I was searching for what people would now call meaning. My story is a common human story.

[Bo French]

With many long, lonely struggles through darkness.

[Host/Moderator]

And pain in my search for meaning.

[Joe Allen]

All right, war room posse in the. The loungers over here. What you just saw is a little teaser for what will be a profound film released by the one, the only, Mike Cernovich.

[Mike Cernovich]

Thanks, Joe, for having me on, Mike.

[Joe Allen]

The film is called Meaning, and it delves into probably the most crucial crisis that we have right now. Not outward, but. But inward. Now, if. If the posse can just give us a quick in unison.

[Ben]

Oh.

[Joe Allen]

Mike Cernovich, please tell us about meaning.

[Mike Cernovich]

Yeah, I think that everybody, you know, when you get a little bit older, you know, I'm almost 50, and it's very. It's almost a cliche thing to do, but you, you sort of hit the benchmark marks in life. Okay, I did college, I did this, I did that, I did that. And then you have those moments where you're sitting around by yourself and you think, this is it. What, what in the world?

[Javier Negre]

This.

[Mike Cernovich]

This is really like all there is. And I think a lot of people have feel that way now, and that's why people are acting out in a lot of ways too. So in the movie, we examine the question of the meaning of life, but also how people are chasing the dragon of dopamine, of experience, of partying and fornication and everything else, because they're trying to reconnect with meaning, and they're doing it through these other methods that maybe aren't so helpful.

[Joe Allen]

I mean, just from what we saw there, you can See that tension between a godless universe in which well over half of America ultimately lives in, despite the religious affiliation, and the darkness of that that creates. But on the other side of it, I mean, you yourself are a deeply religious man, and many of the people we saw there speaking about God, speaking about Christ, how do you see that tension? How do you see it playing out? And how does it play out in the film?

[Mike Cernovich]

Well, I think when we were sketching out the concept of the film, I would always tell people, start from the proposition that you don't even maybe believe in the Garden of Eden story. But why would the Garden of Eden story have ever been written or created? And it's because we were cast out of our real home. So in the movie, we talked to Tim Albarino, we look into transhumanism. There's even going to be a little bit of an AI angle. Neuralink is in there. We interviewed the Neuralink people. So we start from a very big question, which is why write the Garden of Eden story? Why does everybody feel like they're disconnected from something? And I have my own belief, my own religious beliefs. But it's not a Christian propaganda film, because that's not even interesting. It isn't a religious film per se. It's exploring a lot of traditions. So we went into Peru, the jungles of Peru. Some of the guys drank the ayahuasca, some of them drank the tea. We have that on there. We talked, we went to. You were there at that conference.

[Joe Allen]

Oh, Tim Albarino. Yeah. Birthright.

[Javier Negre]

Yep.

[Mike Cernovich]

So we, we really get a little, little crazy in there, which is what you want for a film, I think everything about, everything about meaning, it's like too preachy.

[Javier Negre]

Right.

[Mike Cernovich]

It's okay. You got to go to church and this and this. And even if you believe it, is that really interesting? Does anybody really want to hear that? Is that, have we not heard enough of that? And has that even worked?

[Joe Allen]

Right, Right.

[Mike Cernovich]

Is it even effective messaging? So we're trying to, again, we have our point of view, but we're trying to represent all sides.

[Joe Allen]

Well, I don't want to go straight to the really heavy element here. I'm curious, on a lighter note, the ayahuasca, theoretically speaking, how does the Iowa Ayahuasca experience and that kind of drug induced simulation or direct connection, how does that relate to something like Neuralink? Is that it? Is that a direct concept or are they diametrically opposed?

[Mike Cernovich]

So, so what I told my friends in tech, because I'm in between the war room posse and the AI people. I have friends who are the AI accelerationists. And then I have the people who. They're bashing them. And I'm like. I feel like mom and dad are fighting. Fighting or the. I'm like, oh, no, no. I think you guys are misunderstanding it. But I've told my friends at AI, I've said, if you've ever done ayahuasca, you would not want the neural link because if time is suspended, you can be tormented sort of endlessly. So. But the bigger question, and this is a question all my friends in AI have, it's a question we asked Alberino. Like, I'm not going to take the neural link. You guys aren't going to. But are your kids going to. Yeah, they're going to have to make that choice. Choice. It's going to be such a competitive advantage for people who do take it. What are your kids going to do? And that's. That's one of the questions I've been that all my friend, even my friends who are in the AI world, and they're the AI accelerationists, they're up at night too, because they're thinking, well, I'm not going to take the. I'm not going to take it. But then on the other hand, we. We saw a guy with Lou Geh's disease, and you. And Neuralink is making it so they can live their life.

[Ben]

Life.

[Joe Allen]

Yeah.

[Mike Cernovich]

So for me, that's where I feel like I'm caught in the middle. Where, like, if you're. If you have what Stephen Hawking had and you can have an early link, you're going to want to take it. But then is there a limiting principle? And how do you stop it from it becoming basically mandated?

[Joe Allen]

You know, a lot of people see it as something extremely freakish, and it is. The idea of sticking a chip in your brain is really disturbing to normal people. The idea, though, that you. You would be algorithmically manipulated by a screen 24:7. That would have been horrifying 25 years ago. And yet. And yet you don't have to look too far to find people for whom this is very.

[Mike Cernovich]

We're all cyborgs. That's what I tell people already. You're already a cyborg. I'm not a cyborg. Oh, yeah. Like, you're not like this on your couch, you know, scrolling and with the ear pods in walking around. You're not a. We're already a cyborg. So then the question, which is I. And I think it's interesting and controversial. I wish people had More debate is, how is a neuralink different? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Again, I'm personally not going to take it, but if I got in an accident or I had some kind of multiple sclerosis or something, I would take it in a second and I would think of that as a boon to humanity. I don't know.

[Joe Allen]

One, one last, you know, despondent comment on that. I, I think right now, as neuralink stands, it's very limited as to what it can do. The most advanced systems allow you to play a video game or move a cursor on the screen, whereas a smartphone is extraordinarily versatile. There are so many different ways in which this thing guides people around. And yes, you can put it away. It's not in your brain, but it's completely immersive and it's following everything you do, even as you follow it. So I think I agree with you completely. We are already cyborg. Certainly I am. Grace has been accused of being a cyborg. I don't know.

[Host/Moderator]

I have tick tock brain. Eight minutes.

[Joe Allen]

So in the film, like in the, in the trailer we saw Tim Albarino, was that Zoltan Isbon that I saw or the transhumanist?

[Mike Cernovich]

Yes. So we interviewed the hardcore chair. Because what I like to do is I want to give everybody the, their best case for their position. So we interview Zolan, who's a hardcore transhumanist, and his interview, it's a strange interview, but we're going to represent him in his, in his strongest way. And Albarino has a very strong point of view, which is very like, he's a confident Christian. Albarino. I'm a doubtful Christian. You know, I'm a, like, am I even a Christian? You know, I'm. Maybe I'm just kind of a low life, you know, I'd like go through Albarino, he's like a Christian, right? And then this other guy's like a transhumanist. So you wouldn't put me in there to talk about Christianity because I would be a bad representation of it. But then we have like Josiah Trenum's in there. But then we have other religions too. We talk to a shaman. We, you know, show like, what is ayahuasca? Are you, are you piercing the veil, the spiritual veil that God put up? Are you conversing with demons? Is it all evil? Is it good or evil? And we don't tell you. It's not my job. It's not my job to tell you. My job is to say what is what is all of this? And then you have to decide.

[Host/Moderator]

So going back to the ayahuasca, you can answer this or not. Did you partake?

[Mike Cernovich]

Oh, I didn't this time, but I have several times over the years. Yeah, yeah, several. I've. I have a pretty strong point of view view on it, although it's very conflicted. So I always tell people, stay far away from it. And then the people who are going to do it aren't going to listen to anyway, but it's like, stay away, stay away. And then the guy who is destined for it is going to do it anyway. But I say just don't do it.

[Joe Allen]

You know, I'm vaguely familiar with the realm that that connects to, but no need to say more. It is certainly a mixed bag. I think it's oftentimes overly hyped in the sense that this will heal all of your psychological ailments at the same time. Anyone who's ever done it knows that there is something to learn.

[Mike Cernovich]

Well, there's a. There was like a veil so many, many years ago I was atheist or agnostic and then once you. I went over the veil and I said, well, I was wrong, okay? And I'm a fool and I'm flying foolish and I thought I had so many things figured out and I'm actually a joke because in the spiritual realm, whatever power you think you have here, it's a joke. We are nothing. So then I just said, well, spirit world is real. Christianity seems to bear good fruit. So I guess, I guess I'm Christian, you know, because just look around and that, that seems fine, but that's not really a compelling testimony. But that's, that's where I ended up.

[Joe Allen]

You'll know them by their fruits, right?

[Mike Cernovich]

And if you look and you just say, well, if you had to pick a religion for people to follow, you would say, well, Christianity seems to be a good one. All right, you go for it. You have doubts.

[Oscar El Blue Ramirez]

Well, good luck.

[Javier Negre]

You have.

[Mike Cernovich]

Everybody has doubts. Get over it.

[Joe Allen]

Speaking of fruits, Dan Fluette, the Mind behind Rebels, Rogues and Outlaws, has featured.

[Oscar El Blue Ramirez]

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[Joe Allen]

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[Mike Cernovich]

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[Joe Allen]

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[Javier Negre]

But yeah, we have a bunch here.

[Mike Cernovich]

If you're in the, if you're in.

[Joe Allen]

The neighborhood and you want to swing by, we'll be doing, we'll be doing signings.

[Oscar El Blue Ramirez]

And if you hack quick, you can.

[Joe Allen]

Get Mike Cernovich and maybe Joe Allen.

[Host/Moderator]

And Maureen Bannon and it makes a great Christmas present. I promise it makes a great Christmas present for all of your family members. You guys follow Mike Cernovich's Twitter because he comes in really hot and it's for. And we'll be back in a few.

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[Ben]

Sa. Sam.

[Host/Moderator]

We're gonna do a Korean way of prayer for you.

[Mike Cernovich]

It's called a praying out loud praying.

[Host/Moderator]

We would want to do that to.

[Mike Cernovich]

You and bless you today.

[Joe Allen]

How great, how great is our God. Sing with me. How great is our God.

[Bo French]

Heavenly Father, thank you for sending your warrior to Korea.

[Host/Moderator]

I lift up Charlie, the leader you have raised up in America to wake up next generation.

[Mike Cernovich]

May he remember Korea in every state step he takes.

[Host/Moderator]

And may you protect him, Lord, and be with him so that he may fully carry out the mission you have entrusted to him. And Lord, I thank you for making this gathering possible. And I give all the glory to you, Lord. I pray all this name in the name of Jesus.

[Bo French]

Amen.

[Host/Moderator]

Welcome back posse. Let's hear it. So we had that cold open. It's from Build up Korea. And all three of us were blessed by God to spend Charlie Kirk's last weekend on Earth in Korea. And Kangmin is a media influencer and he was there with us. And so we're just proud to have him. And I just wanted to ask you about Build Up Korea, how it was with Charlie being there, you know, his last weekend on this earth, and how the Korean people responded to Charlie.

[Mike Cernovich]

Yeah, it was really surreal because I had no idea that last weekend spending time with Charlie Kirk there in Korea would be the last time that I saw him. I've been coming to a lot of these events, like amfest and Turning Point events, for many years now, and I've talked to Charlie many times. But then to wake up on that Wednesday morning in Korea with text messages flooded telling me that Charlie, Charlie's dead.

[Oscar El Blue Ramirez]

What's going on?

[Mike Cernovich]

What's going on? And I couldn't believe it. It really rattled me. But it was such an honor. It was such an honor to be there with you guys and also be there with Charlie sharing the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ, but also about what it means to save your nation, what it means to love your nation. And one thing that Charlie talked about in his speech, which was very profound, was understanding the idea of a nation, that a nation is not just ideas, is not just an economic zone, but it is a home to a people. And the Koreans have a home, which is Korea, and they need to fight to protect it. And one of the greatest ways they can do so is to. By having lots of children, starting families, and taking back their country. Because right now, as it stands, Korea is dying, literally and also spiritually.

[Host/Moderator]

So Korea has, I think, the lowest. Because they're not having babies.

[Mike Cernovich]

I think it's the lowest birth rate in the world. Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

And why do you think that is?

[Mike Cernovich]

There's a lot of reasons why. But I talked about this in my speech in Korea that I believe the biggest problem facing Korea right now is materialism. And materialism is the reason why people aren't having children. This is why they're delaying marriage. Because marriage, children gets in the way of their future career path prospects. It gets away in of their education, educational attainment, how much money they can make, how much they can advance in a corporation. And so if you have a family, if you have children, you have people to provide for, you have people to care for. That's time, that's energy, that's resources. And a lot of Koreans today, unfortunately, they have bought into the God of Mammon. You know, Jesus is, in the scriptures, talks about, you can't serve two masters, you can't serve money or God. And unfortunately, Korea, which was a nation blessed by God in the past hundred years, has unfortunately turned its back against God and has pursued everything, abandoned what's most important in life in pursuit of money.

[Host/Moderator]

And I know, you know, sometimes the posse wonders why we talk about other countries besides what's going on here in the United States. But I, I know I addressed this in my speech that we had a stolen election in 2020. Korea had a stolen election. It was just a few years later. So it's not, we're not worlds apart. We're going through the same things. And I think that that's what you might agree that that's what that was. The common ground is we're all in a fight to save our countries. It doesn't matter where you are. We're all in a fight.

[Mike Cernovich]

Yeah. Because when we're a nationalist, when we love our nations.

[Javier Negre]

Right.

[Mike Cernovich]

It's not because we hate other people, we don't hate other nations, but we love our own people. We love our home before others. And we want to see that in other countries like Japan. We want to see that in other countries like Italy. We want to see that all around the world where people put their own countries first. And the elected officials, the leaders of each nation, puts the interests and the priorities of their own people first.

[Host/Moderator]

Where can everyone find you?

[Mike Cernovich]

Kongmin J. Lee on all socials. I'm a firebrand on X. I get a little contention us over there, but I'm on Instagram, YouTube and all the other great places.

[Host/Moderator]

He's controversial and a lot of fun and we'll definitely have to have you back on when we have more time. But I just wanted to. I'm just glad that all three of us were in Korea and shared that last weekend. So.

[Mike Cernovich]

All right, thank you guys for having me.

[Host/Moderator]

Thank you for joining us. If you're here right now, make sure you get all the to main stage to hear the Honey badger himself at 5:45. And tune in tomorrow morning live from here.

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