Episode 5015: Zelensky Must Go; What Caused The Reiner Murders

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room – Episode 5015

Date: December 22, 2025
Main Theme: "Zelensky Must Go; What Caused The Reiner Murders"

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1. Episode Overview

This War Room episode, hosted by Stephen K. Bannon, focuses on two broad themes:

• Geopolitical upheaval, particularly in Ukraine, Europe, Latin America, and the MAGA movement’s vision for U.S. foreign policy.
• The psychological and societal factors behind the Reiner murders, touching on psychiatric drugs and the behavioral health system.
  With frequent guests and contributors—including Steve Cortez, Jim Rickards, Alan dos Santos, Sheila Mathis, and Mike Lindell—the discussion weaves together political, economic, and cultural anxieties, all in classic “War Room” populist style.

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2. Key Discussion Points and Insights

A. The Legacy of January 6th and the Anthem of the Free (00:30–06:30)

• Opening Segment: Begins with a performance of an anthem by the J6 Prison Choir, commemorating those jailed after January 6th.
• Bannon’s Reflection: Bannon reminisces about the fallout of January 6th, his own legal troubles, and Trump’s, casting the current American situation as a battle between patriots and “globalists, progressives, and jihadists.”
• Quote (Steve Bannon, 01:30):
  “It’s not the United States that was bequeathed to us. It’s a collection of globalists and progressives and jihadists. All of it a witch’s brew, trying to steal this country. And you’re fighting back.”

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B. European Turmoil, Migration, and the OECD (06:30–14:18)

• Paris Cancels New Year’s Festivities: Steve Cortez describes Paris canceling its major celebrations due to security concerns linked to “mass migration” and violence.
• Criticism of ‘Suicidal Empathy’: The hosts blame “young Muslim men of African descent” for violence, asserting European elites foster mass migration in the name of empathy, yet create instability (06:30).
• OECD Critique:
  • Steve Cortez (08:03) explains the OECD’s impact as the “epicenter of the rules-based international order,” working for the benefit of “credentialed transnational elites” at the expense of working-class people.
  • He outlines the “America First” message he delivered to the OECD: the U.S. should stop being Europe’s protector, focus on hemispheric partnerships, and see China—not Russia—as the primary threat.
• Quote (Steve Cortez, 08:03):
  “The OECD…is the brain trust, the epicenter of the, quote, rules-based or international order…fantastic for credentialed transnational elites, but…horrific for working class people.”
• Monroe Doctrine 2.0: U.S. foreign policy is pivoting to focus on the Americas and limit involvement or funding of “misadventures” in Western Europe.

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C. Latin America, Hemispheric Defense, and the Trump Corollary (14:18–28:11)

• National Security Strategy Shifts:
  • Jim Rickards highlights that the new U.S. National Security Strategy puts the Western Hemisphere front-and-center, relegating Europe to the back (page 29/30).
  • Trump’s “corollary” extends the Monroe Doctrine, framing contractual/loan arrangements (esp. with China) as 21st-century colonization to be resisted.
• Brazil as the Key:
  • Alan dos Santos (Bolsonaro ally) laments ex-president Bolsonaro’s imprisonment under Lula, asserting Lula is aligned with the CCP and weakening Brazil’s tradition as a U.S. ally.
  • The discussion suggests the U.S. must treat Lula like a hostile partner, not a friend.
• JBS and Corruption:
  • Santos describes JBS (major beef supplier in US & Brazil) as a government-backed, corrupt entity tied to Lula.
• Quote (Alan dos Santos, 22:28):
  “What is happening with Bolsonaro right now? It’s not justice…it’s a deliberate act of political cruelty...Lula is doing that against Bolsonaro.”

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D. Weaponizing Financial Power and Global Resource Pressure (28:36–39:17)

• Rickards on Financial Warfare: Predicts the “age of financial warfare”—using trade, tariffs, and resource allocation to pressure adversaries like China, Brazil, and Russia.
• Oil as a Political Weapon: Proposes flooding the market with U.S. oil to drop global prices:
  • Hurts opponents (Russia, Brazil under Lula, Saudis)
  • Solves U.S. affordability/inflation and pressures Putin to negotiate
• Quote (Jim Rickards, 38:09):
  “Drill, baby, drill. Open up federal lands for leasing, Alaska, Gulf of America, et cetera…you get the price of oil down, you’re gonna solve your affordability problem, your inflation problem, you’re gonna get Putin to do a deal and you put pressure on Brazil. It just does ten things at once.”

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E. Ukraine/Russia War and Call for Regime Change in Kyiv (30:35–36:56)

• Ukraine Conflict Analysis:
  • Rickards argues Ukraine cannot win militarily; its only leverage now is “ruthless” special operations, like assassinations of Russian generals, that risk broadening the war.
• Key Insight:
  • The West will not push for true peace because its real aim is “getting rid of Putin.”
  • Zelenskyy depicted as corrupt and a block to peace; Bannon and Rickards call for his removal as a precondition for ending the conflict.
• Quote (Jim Rickards, 34:09):
  “Zelensky doesn’t want peace. He wants continued war. So do the Brits, so do the Germans and the French…The only way we’re going to get out of this…step one, get rid of Zelenskyy, whatever it takes.”

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F. Reiner Murders: Psychiatry, Pharmaceuticals, and Suppressed Truth (42:43–48:00)

• Discussion with Sheila Mathis (AbleChild):
  • Expresses alarm at the court sealing of Nicholas Reiner’s psychiatric records, given his long history of psychiatric drug use.
  • Suggests the defense aims to blame psychiatric saturation to avoid the death penalty and have Reiner institutionalized, with eventual release a possibility.
  • Larger critique: Claims the FBI’s Behavioral Analysis Unit is trained by pharma to defend psych drugs, suppressing the link between psychiatric meds and violent outbursts.
  • Warns about a national security risk as systemic failures in behavioral health and pharmaceutical-industrial collusion are not addressed.
• Quote (Sheila Mathis, 43:20):
  “This upcoming trial is going to be like a Super Bowl of psychiatric saturation in our country…because the defense attorney is looking to get him to get life in a state psychiatric hospital.”
  • Another notable point: John Hinckley’s eventual release after Reagan’s shooting used as a precedent.

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3. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|-------------------------|-------| | 01:30 | Steve Bannon | “It’s not the United States that was bequeathed to us. It’s a collection of globalists and progressives and jihadists. All of it a witch’s brew, trying to steal this country. And you’re fighting back.” | | 08:03 | Steve Cortez | “The OECD…is the brain trust, the epicenter of the, quote, rules-based or international order…fantastic for credentialed transnational elites, but…horrific for working class people.” | | 22:28 | Alan dos Santos | “What is happening with Bolsonaro right now? It’s not justice…it’s a deliberate act of political cruelty...Lula is doing that against Bolsonaro.” | | 34:09 | Jim Rickards | “Zelensky doesn’t want peace. He wants continued war…step one, get rid of Zelenskyy, whatever it takes…until you get rid of him, there’s not going to be a breakthrough.” | | 38:09 | Jim Rickards | “Drill, baby, drill…you get the price of oil down, you’re gonna solve your affordability problem, you’re gonna get Putin to do a deal and you put pressure on Brazil.” | | 43:20 | Sheila Mathis | “This upcoming trial is going to be like a Super Bowl of psychiatric saturation in our country…because the defense attorney is looking to get him to get life in a state psychiatric hospital.” |

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4. Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------------------|----------------| | Anthem of the Free / Jan. 6th reflection | 00:00–06:30 | | Paris/Security, OECD, and U.S.-Europe relations | 06:30–14:18 | | National Security Memo, Monroe Doctrine 2.0 | 14:18–21:42 | | Brazilian politics: Bolsonaro v. Lula, JBS | 21:42–28:11 | | Russia-Ukraine War, Peace Blocked by Zelensky | 30:35–36:56 | | Using Oil as Economic Weapon | 37:54–39:17 | | The Reiner Murders, Psychiatry & Pharma | 42:43–48:00 |

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5. Resource & Guest Links

• Steve Cortez: CortezInvestigates.com
• Jim Rickards: RickardsWarRoom.com, @RealJimRickards on X
• Alan dos Santos: alan-dos-santos.net
• Sheila Mathis: AbleChild.org

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Tone:
Persistent, defiant populism with strong anti-establishment, anti-globalist, and conspiratorial overtones. The hosts frame current global events as existential threats, frequently demonizing political opponents and offering solutions via unapologetic nationalism and financial warfare.

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6. Conclusion

For listeners:

• The episode paints a sweeping picture of “MAGA” foreign doctrine, warning against “globalist” elites, European instability due to migration, and the perceived betrayal by Latin American leaders aligned with China.
• It claims victory is possible with discipline, economic leverage, and regime change (Zelensky).
• Domestically, it raises alarms about failures in the psychiatric and pharmaceutical systems, linking them to headline violence and calling for transparency and reform.

If you want a taste of how the MAGA right is interpreting—and planning to influence—global hot spots and domestic crises, this episode is essential listening.

Transcript

[Alan dos Santos]

And this moment in this anthem is.

[Chorus/Choir Member]

Living we sing for all the people who never made it home through us their stories will be told we stand as one United in this fight for.

[Steve Cortez]

Liberty.

[Chorus/Choir Member]

Justice for our voices Ring the dantum of the free.

[Unknown Freedom Advocate]

Hey, freedom ain't free no, it comes with a price. Rest in peace, Charlie. Can't believe they took your life. Didn't make it back home to your children and wife by any means we have to keep freedom of speech alive. Hey, rest in peace, Corey. All the fires that you fight to the cops in military that been fighting day and night so we could have liberty and our God given rights to all the mothers and fathers that's just trying to protect they child hey freedom worth dying for Dreams worth fighting for God got us I promise that's the reason I smile Protesting with our voice and our presence and our words we ain't killing people for disagreeing man that's absurd we ain't burning down cities Cause we pray today we sing for all.

[Chorus/Choir Member]

The people who never made it home through us their stories will be told.

[Steve Bannon]

We stand as one on the 22nd of December and year of our Lord 2025. Think about it for a second. That was January 6th of 2001 and today that's the anthem of the free. Magnificent song made by lj, the producer of Real America Music, new initiative of Real America's voice. The song got to number one over the weekend. You got to go to itunes and download it. We want to make this number one. The album is going to premiere I think on the. On the 6th of January. On January 6th. There's a documentary I think coming out on the 5th. We'll have more details as we firm that up. Just an incredible song, incredible effort. That's the J6 prison choir. As I said in the Georgia situation, if you told me back in, you know, we had Ben Berkwam out there that day. Remember that? Ben Berkhwan was out right outside the Capitol and was reporting on the five o' clock show. If you said that five years from now you'd be putting out an album from the thousand prisoners they put in to prison. Oh, by the way, Bannon, you and Navarro would go to prison also. And President Trump would be, you know, they'd be throwing out all this funny stuff for him to send him away for 300 years ago. That's impossible. It's the United States of America, but it's not the United States of America. It's not the United States that was bequeathed to us. It's A collection of globalists and progressives and jihadists. All of it a witch's brew, trying to steal this country. And you're fighting back. From the heroes in Georgia to the folks of the young people, particularly out at Amfest over the weekend, just extraordinary. But you gotta structurally see in a system where the wealthy control it and are making more money than ever, the concentration of wealth is greater than ever. They're just not going to sit there and go, oh, what a lovely idea. The war room and Bannon and, you know, Malpass and Cortez and all these guys got all these great. They're thinking deep thoughts. Why don't we just toss the keys to you guys and you restructure it and, you know, make sure that people work hard, they get a little a piece of the action of what I call it. It doesn't work like that. You're going to have to take it away. We're doing it politically, but you're going to have to take it away. And once you're in office, you're going to have to hammer every day. And you can't kowtow to these people. You cannot kowtow to them because they're just going to continue on and the country can't go on like it's going on. It's not a sustainable. If they had a business model that worked, maybe it'd be a tougher argument, but they don't have a business model that works. This is unsustainable. And all they do, because the dollar's a prime reserve currency, is continue to print it, baby, continue to print it. And that's why it's going to have to stop. And the only people to stop it would be you. The same type of patriotic fervor we've seen on the state of Georgia, where five years later, this is what I'm saying. The only fact you got to know today, particularly folks have been on this show from the beginning, and particularly after the steal of 2020, when so many new people came into the show that think about it, if we had said when they were counting votes on December 15 of 2020, the electoral, you know, the Electoral college men and all the state capitals, If I told you, oh, by the way, folks, they're at the state capitals on the 15th, I think the 15th of December in the year of our Lord 2020, five fricking years. This week, five years from like this week, we're going to be leading the show. We're going to be starting war room in Georgia, talking about folks that are Fighting about the Stone election. And they got the evidence on the machines. They got the evidence in Fulton County. Got 350,000 ballots or 500,000 ballots. We're going to kick off that week, Christmas week. We're going to kick off in Georgia. Think about that for a second. And if it wasn't for the Patriots in Georgia, it'd all be just glossed over because the Republican established down there is just as guilty as the progressive. Fani Willis is a creation of the Republican establishment in the great state of Georgia, her allowed to do that and to bankrupt Rudy Giuliani and to go after Trump and try to put Trump in prison, have Trump a mug shot. A mug shot that won the election. Kemp, you guys, to allow that is a disgrace. A total and complete disgrace. You run on campaigns, oh, we're going to do this. We're going to do this. It's all crap. It's all just a feather your nest in the business interest to keep you in charge. And like the American people don't have enough to fight with these globalists. And we're going to get to the OECD and everything's happening in Europe, all the globalists, the party of Davos, they got to fight the people that are supposed to be on their side of the football. And you're not. You're a bunch of wolves in sheep's clothing. Steve Cortez, let me play the OECD part, and then I'll bring Cortez in. Let's play it, Patriots.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

This New Year's Eve, the City of Lights will go dark. Why? Well, because this city of Paris canceled its famous massive celebration on the Champs Elysees, a tradition that has endured for many decades now, brought to a halt because of security and terror concerns. Now, this worry isn't just paranoia. Last year's celebrations were indeed marred by a wave of violence. 1,000 cars were torched and there were hundreds of arrests. The culprits overwhelmingly young Muslim men of African descent. But France and other sophisticated nations, they insist on suicidal empathy, a mass national surrender of culture, sovereignty. Will we Americans learn from this negative lesson? Will we insist on restrained lawful immigration only and demand assimilation? Our civilization depends on it.

[Steve Bannon]

So, Steve, you're over there because they got these globalists. They invited you as a nationalist, to go over, explain the economics to them, and in the middle of it, our betters, our betters who are lecturing the United States all the time, and the party of Davos, the best Christmas city in the world, Paris, the City of Lights, is canceling so much because of what the globalists have allowed to happen. In fact, not just allowed to happen. They drove what happened, sir.

[Alan dos Santos]

Right.

[Steve Cortez]

They fully incentivized it. So, no, that paradox, that irony was not lost on me. Certainly that beautiful backdrop I was there is the Chateau Muit, which was a French royal palace later owned by the Rothschild family. It is now the headquarters of the oecd, which is an organization most Americans probably haven't heard of, but unfortunately has a lot of effect on their life. In many ways, that is the brain trust, the epicenter of the, quote, rules based or international order, particularly when it comes to the economy. That has been fantastic for credentialed transnational elites, but has been horrific for working class people all over the world, including here in the United States. Now, credit to them for at least inviting me and giving me a listen, albeit speaking to a very skeptical audience. I delivered my undiluted populist, nationalist, pro America first message to them. Also saluting them, by the way, though, telling them, listen, we, we admire and love Europe. It is, it is the source of Western civilization, which we inherited from them and we believe now we are the culmination of Western civilization. But outside, during that conference and outside of that magnificent chateau, as these elites congratulated each other and talked about decarbonization and sustainability and welcoming mass migration, the city of Paris canceled its grand New Year's Eve celebration, which typically has about a million people gather. It's been going on now for 60 straight years. But the City of Lights is going to go dark this New Year's Eve over security concerns, and by the way, probably very valid security concerns. But that's what happens when you invite a mass migration from the third World. But at the same time, okay, while they, while their continent is imploding, and I told them this as well, by the way, we have similar problems here, okay? Of course we do. However, we have decided to grapple with them. We've decided to fix them and to reverse these policies. Whereas Europe is just plunging even harder and accelerating and putting the foot on the gas even harder into these multilateral multicultural traps that they have set for themselves. And at the same time, concurrently, they want to continue to view the United States as this grand sugar daddy, believing that we should fund all of these misadventures and that we should protect the entirety of Western Europe, which does function as a protectorate and has, let's face it, for 80 years. And I think the news that is being delivered to them by the Trump administration, particularly in that magnificent national security strategy document which has heads blowing up all over Davos, Brussels, Paris, et cetera, is that we are done. We are done funding and operating a protectorate for the wealthy nations of Western Europe. Russia is not our existential ally. Doesn't mean it's our friend, but it doesn't have to be our foe. Our existential threat is China. And when it comes to allies, to dependable allies, we see far more opportunity in our own hemisphere. So we are pivoting back here to the United States, to the Americas. And when it comes to global alliances and to friendly overseas nations, we see far more opportunity in our own hemisphere. A Monroe Doctrine 2.0 that can unite, carry forward Western civilization and be the bulwark of defense against the real threat, which is not across the Atlantic. Rather it's across the the Pacific. In Beijing.

[Steve Bannon]

The Wall Street Journal is reporting today the President's going to have a press conference at our announcement at 4.30pm today in Mar a Lago. We're going to cover it live on Real America's voice in the war room. And we know now it's going to be the President and Secretary of War Pete Hegseth. It's going to be joined now by Marco Rubio. We are told by the great comms team over the White House. They tell our own Brian Glenn that it's going to be, it's going to be about shipbuilding, but it may be, you know, they may throw a few more things out there. I think it just sounds odd they would do all this for shipbuilding. Although I'm a huge believer in rebuilding the United States Navy. Steve, the Wall Street Journal is reporting that Cuba is imploding because we're stopping the tankers from going from, from Venezuela to Cuba. Something I've advocated coming out of the Gulf if you want to take down the mullahs, cut off the oil coming out of the Gulf, from Iran to the ccp. And it also put a big dent into the ccp. Your thoughts on Latin America. You know, the national security strategy had the Monroe Doctrine 2.0, but then they threw in the Trump corollary, which is full spectrum dominance with allies in Latin America. Do you think we're going to war anytime soon with that carrier strike group we got down off in the amphibious ready group we got off of Venezuela, sir?

[Steve Cortez]

Well, I don't believe we're going to have to, thankfully, but I think interdicting these illegal ships is very, very smart policy. Right. Starve the Maduro beast, which makes sense strategically. And by the way, those of us who are very anti intervention generally. I think we do need to view our own neighborhood. We need to view the Americas very differently as was outlined in that fantastic NSS strategy memo. So in the Americas and largely because by the way, connecting this to immigration in the Americas, if we do not have stability and order, if we do not have strong alliances, one of the consequences is mass migration pressure into our country which of course none of us want. We're trying very hard and diligently and succeeding thankfully at reversing that awful trend. But thankfully also the trends are good. You know, on the positive side in terms of electoral wins, the Chile win was huge. Mile is doing a great job in Argentina. Venezuela is under pressure. Cuba is under pressure. I foresee a Pan American alliance ahead where this is a zone of prosperity that believes in Western civilization. We can forget about the old world regardless of what they do. We will form the new counter to the existential threat to us which lies across the Pacific in the ccp.

[Steve Bannon]

Steve, where do people go get all these little videos? You're putting up all the investigative documentaries in your, in your writings where they go.

[Steve Cortez]

Yes, Please go to CortezInvestigates.com and I have a brand new article up on the OECD and what I learned in Paris Cortez Investigates.com.

[Steve Bannon]

One thing you learned is that the because of the unlimited migration of of Muslims you're not going to have New York Eve and quite frankly the city lights a little dimmed over Christmas.

[Mike Lindell]

Yeah.

[Steve Bannon]

Outrage. Thank you Steve. Thanks for sticking around.

[Mike Lindell]

Thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

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Okay. Welcome back. Jim Rickards joins us now. So Jim, people are worried about the economy over here and you know, President Trump's plan starting to kick in with the, with the capital expenditures and the big beautiful bill, plus the tariffs, of course, the as a forcing function. The Supreme Court is not ruled yet, although they ruled mainly in President Trump's favor. I think 22 out of 25 right now the national security strategy is out. A couple of weeks after it's out, you're supposed to have the military part. I think Pete's going to release that either this week or next before the end of the year. But let's talk about that strategy. Document Europe on A33. A33 page document. Europe appears on page 29 almost as an afterthought. The biggest parts of it are the hemispheric defense, situation with Russia, situation with the Chinese Communist Party. Give us your thoughts about this.

[Jim Rickards]

Sure, you're right. Europe appears on page 29 or 30 at the back of the document what's most interesting or as interesting, is the Western Hemisphere appears on page one or very, very early in the document, which says something important itself. The critique. One of the things I found about Steve, first of all, was shorter than most national security documents. These things, national security strategy, they're, they're dictated by statute. The Goldwater Nichols act. Every president has one. They're not every year. It's kind of every four years, but some, some are more frequent than that. But it's a very big deal because it has a multi year impact in terms of the policy. This was shorter than most of them. It was written in plain English. They avoided all the jargon. A lot of them are loaded up with military terms and diplomatic terms of phrase, et cetera. It was plain English, but the brevity of it and the plainness of it should not be mistaken for simplicity and platitudes. This was a profound document, one of the most important in the series maybe since the end of the Cold War and Europe. It talked very little about. The fact that Europe was kind of relegated to the back row says something about Europe. It shows how kind of unimportant it is. Germany's committing economic suicide. France is not far behind. They keep bragging about, you know, putting boots on the ground in Ukraine. Europe, all of NATO could not, outside the United States could not muster three divisions. I mean, the Russians have 15 divisions on the front line. They have another 15 divisions kind of waiting to come in as and when needed. Europe, France, Germany, uk If they could muster three divisions, that would be a very big deal. Probably two of them would come from the uk. So they are vassals. One of your guests referred to them as a protectorate. That's about right. The Western Hemisphere part I found fascinating. It was one of my areas of study and particularly the Trump Corollary. That's not a throwaway phrase. The Monroe Doctrine came out in 1823 and President Monroe, but that was at the time when all the, when Latin America was in revolution. You know, Bolivar and San Martin and Bernardo, Bernardo Higgins. And President Monroe saw that. And whenever you have a power vacuum, the danger is that some other power is going to come in. So he said to the Europeans, keep out. No more colonization, maybe keep what you have, but no more. And that was the Monroe Doctrine. It was very kind of non interventionist, but aimed at Europe. Come forward to 1904. You had the Roosevelt Corollary, Teddy Roosevelt, and he took it a step further. He said, well, not only does Europe have to stay out, but the United States can intervene to create stability or basically preserve or restore stability. Now, what is the Trump corollary to the Monroe Doctrine after the Roosevelt correlate? What Trump is saying is that colonization in the 21st century doesn't mean you come in, you run up your flag and you take over the country and exploit the resources. You can have contractual colonization, loan, colonization. There are a lot of ways to own the resources and control the country other than invading it and running up the flag. And that's what the Trump corollary is aimed at. He said, no China, you can't monopolize Venezuelan oil. Russia, you cannot indefinitely prop up Cuba. That we're going to view those as a contractual loan and other arrangements as a form of 21st century colonization. You cannot disrupt supply chains, etcetera, etcetera. So basically, Trump is laying claim to the natural resources. It doesn't mean we take them, but it means we're not going to let China take them either. That's a very big deal.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on for one second. I want to bring in Alan Das Santos, one of Bolsonaro's lieutenants. Alan, you heard Jim Rickards. We talked about it with Steve Cortez. We're going to talk about it all in the evening show. Peter Navarro is going to join us. Our most significant. You know, traditionally Brazil is the key nation in Latin America. The relationship between President Trump and Bolsonaro couldn't be stronger. The Bolsonaro movement's really aligned with maga. You got Jim Rickards talking about the national security memo, strategy memo, which talks about the primacy of Latin America and hemispheric defense in American eyes. Yet now we've got Lula looks like ascendant and Bolsonaro in prison. Can you make that make sense for us, sir?

[Alan dos Santos]

So what is happening with Bolsonaro right now? It's not justice, okay? It's a deliberate act of a political cruelty. Bolsonaro is not being treated as a defendant under rule of law. Steve, and think, first of all, thank you so much for having me a chance to explain that to the world. Bolsonaro is being just treated as a symbol to be crushed, destroyed, physically and morally. That's why Lula da Silva is doing that against Bolsonaro. Of course some media outlet is gonna say it's not. Lula is the judiciary which is doing this. But the point is in the problem. Lula appointed most of the Supreme Court justice so far. And the judge which is was delisted by the magnitude act in the United States, unfortunately demaries he is a cruel person. He wants to, to see Bolsonaro dying. Even his surgery needed to be. Needed to be with his sign in his authorization, which is ridiculous. Even drug cartels leaders in Brazilian prison doesn't need to have this kind of authority.

[Mike Lindell]

And.

[Steve Bannon]

But I want to go back to, I'm going to go back to hang on the personal. And we'll get into that, you know, maybe later because it's horrible, it's horrific what's happening to President Bolsonaro. But strategically, Brazil is the key that picks the lock in Latin America, in South America. Correct. I mean it's the biggest. It's got some of the greatest resources, got the Amazon, the lungs of the world, whereas we're bailing out Malay. We're off the coast of the biggest armada we've had since I think bigger than the Gulf War. You know, you almost have to go back to Vietnam. Where does Brazil fit into all this? Because Bolsonar as an individual is very important. It's horrible what's happening and they're trying to take him out of the presidential election, but there's something going on there strategically. How important? If we're going to have a, a hemispheric defense and a Trump corollary that essentially says we're going to with our partners be dominant in Latin America, we're not going to let the CCP in. The CCP is Lula's partner. The CCP is all over, all over Brazil right now, sir.

[Alan dos Santos]

So the CCP is doing a job together with Lula for a long time already. When Lula tried to reach out the CCP back in 2002 to support his campaign for his first term in 2003, he was along the CCP all over during all this time. And Duma Rusev, who was appointed by Lula to be the next president after he. He stayed for eight years in Brazil, also connected Brazil with China. China is the first biggest ally economic ally in Brazil, but it, it was the United States previously. So China just got the first, first rank as a trade ally with Brazil because of the Workers Party, because of the Socialists, because of the communists in Brazil. So they want Bolsonaro out to keep this, this job. So I really hope with this new memo that came out in November from the White House, the national Security.

[Mike Lindell]

At.

[Alan dos Santos]

I hope that can put Bolsonaro out of jail and I hope that Lula will also be recognized as a criminal because he is behind Maduro, he is behind for the Sao Paulo's forum, he is behind of the drug cartel even the terrorists in Brazil. Lula is being praised by Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda all the time. And he never condemned this at these terrorists as a terrorist. He even refused to recognize the pcc, which is the drug cartel in Brazil as a terrorist group.

[Steve Bannon]

Real quickly, I got about a minute on jbs. I know that there's going to be a big government crackdown, I think on jbs, the United States government. Navarro and these guys are working on it nonstop. Just give us a minute because we got to go to break. Give us a minute on jbs, this beef distributor where this fits into the Lulu cartel.

[Alan dos Santos]

So JPS is a government backed company that grow grew up with a bank financial supply and it was already condemned. This company, JBS was already condemned in Brazil for corruption. So the penalties are being erased by the Supreme Court justice thoughtfully. But they are still criminals and they are still guilty. But they are behind of Lula da Silva strategy in between the United States and Brazil. But the problem is they are one of the largest big supply in America. There are four companies that controls the beef in America and two of them are Brazilians and, and the two of them already corrupted in Brazil with well documented proof. It's not opinion, it's not allegations, it's facts. So we need to go after them through the DOJ to get Brazil right.

[Steve Bannon]

I think that started. Alan, hang on for one second. Jim Mercuts is with us. We're going to take a short commercial break. Return to the Worm in a moment.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, this is why we got Rickards as a contributor and this is why we make available strategic intelligence. Folks, what have we said from the beginning? And we're always trying to put you ahead of the curve because you're the tip. You're the vanguard of the MAGA movement, which is a revolutionary movement that has changed the direction of the world, not just simply this country. So Rick and Rickard is one of the biggest brains out there on this, on these topics. So Rickards, we've had Alan Santos talk to us about Brazil. It's kind of interesting. We got the National Security Strategy memo out and we got a carrier strike group off of Venezuela, an amphib ready group. We got 14,000 fleet marines and sailors, I don't know, just kind of hanging out right now. We're stopping now we're stopping tankers and putting a naval blockade in. Cuba's going bankrupt in the news. And so this is an issue like, okay, well what are we doing here with Brazil? Because Bolsonaro and the Bolsonaro movement are our guys, right? That's, that's MAGA in Brazil, and maybe even more deeply religious than maga, because it's really a movement that's driven even more maybe so than maga, by evangelical Christians and traditional Catholics. But you've gotten the news today over the last 24 hours, the war at sea in the Ukraine as Russia pounds Odessa in the harbor in Odessa. And I've said from day one, that's their objective. You've got the Ukrainians taking out tankers in the Med. You've had a Russian general get blown up, I think in Moscow. The kinetic part of this, and we said this for years, this thing's going to go in. The kinetic part's going to spin out of control unless the Europeans get their act together and we can actually sit down and make peace here. That's, that's a reasonable peace. But this thing, you know, they, they got overruled by Poland and Hungary about stealing the $300 billion of the Russian people's assets, because Putin said, if you steal our assets, that's an act of war and you guys are going to answer for it. Put it all in perspective for us. Jim Rickards.

[Jim Rickards]

Well, that's right. About the assets, and that's a big deal. Russia said it's an act of war. You're right about that, Steve. But they also said we're going to sue Euroclear, and they got 19 jurisdictions around the world. It doesn't have to be in Belgium. It could be in Dubai or Hong Kong. Euroclear has $47 trillion of assets in custody or under management. Now, you sue them, you put a cloud on all those assets. You're not going to take $47 trillion, but you take what you want if you get a favorable court ruling. So you've just cast a cloud. One of the largest custodians in the world for What? For the 300 billion you want to steal from Russia. So they did back off on that, but that's been hanging out there for, for a couple of years now. As far as Ukraine is concerned, they can't win on the battlefield. They haven't. They're losing badly, but they're pretty ruthless and violent, these special operations. So they assassinated a Russian general in Moscow. Not the first one, by the way. There's been three or four assassinations of that type. And it's one thing to sink a vessel in the Black Sea, but the Ukrainians attacked a Russian Ghost Fleet tanker, they say, in the Mediterranean Sea. So it's Expanding geographically, and it's really all Ukraine can do. But what strikes me, Steve, is that here you have Witkoff, who I think is doing a very good job, a very tough job. He's meeting with Dmitriev and Yumirov in Miami and with the Ukrainian delegation on the side trying to get a peace deal. And on the same day they're in Miami talking peace, the Ukrainians are assassinating Russians in Moscow. Now, that's not, you know, okay, well, you know, it's a war, okay, so you do things like that. But how is that. How is that moving towards peace? How is that achieving your goals? Well, the answer is, it isn't. Zelensky doesn't want peace. He wants continued war. So do the Brits, so do the Germans and the French. The only way we're going to get out of this. I mean, Witkoff is taking a very broad view. He's saying, look, let's look past the war. Let's assume we get to some kind of peace treaty. They're still negotiating that. The natural resource deals in Russia, the investment opportunities in Russia. I tell, you know, readers, my publications, Russia will be one of the best investment opportunities in the 21st century. Not today, it's illegal for Americans to invest in Russia. But when we get past this, it will be. And Wyckoff is looking at those opportunities, but he's still going to end the war. And the west, we're very good at negotiating with ourselves, but we're not so good at negotiating with Russia. So, yeah, it's the art of the deal. You go back and forth to give a little, you get a little. But Russia's demands or goals have not changed since 2021. Before the war, they have not changed. No NATO denazification, demilitarization, you know, basically a neutral status. One of the things that the Europeans put on the table is that Ukraine should have an army of 800,000, you know, men and women, I guess. But 800,000 troops in the Ukrainian army, are you kidding me? That's bigger than any army in Europe. Any army in Europe. Russia's thinking maybe you can have 50,000, like a police force or National Guard type of thing, maybe. So this is not anywhere close to resolution. Again, I give a lot of credit to Wyckoff. They're looking past the war, but they haven't figured out.

[Steve Bannon]

But this is my point. Okay, but if it's. I realize, but if it's not closer to resolution and they're shelling the port in Odessa, the Ukrainians are given as good as they get, and they're getting crushed. But they're blowing up tankers in the Mediterranean and now they're assassinating generals in Moscow. This thing is going to only spin more and more out of control. Correct. On the battlefield, which President Trump is his highest priority to stop the killing, sir?

[Jim Rickards]

Well, that's right, Steve. And then you say when you see something like that and it kind of doesn't make sense, you have to say, well, what's really going on here from the start, going back to Nuland and the other warmongers and Lindsey Graham and all the rest, this has never really been about Ukraine. This has been about getting rid of Putin, deposing Putin, causing some kind of uprising in Russia and getting back to the good old 90s when America could loot the place and tell them what to do. And Yeltsin was a serious alcoholic drinking vodka all day long. They want to get back to that, but they can't. Actually. Putin's more popular than ever. Putin will go down. See, here's the irony, Steve. Putin will go down as the greatest Russian leader since Catherine the Great. Meanwhile, us so called foreign policy experts who don't know anything about Russia, I don't know where the knowledge went, but it's certainly gone that Ukraine has always been about deposing Putin. As long as that's your goal, you're not going to give up on Ukraine. A million dead Ukrainians is not going to stop you. And Zelenskyy is utterly corrupt figure who you know, probably if he did try to make a peace deal, would be killed by his own neo Nazi associates. So there's, there's no good way. You got to get rid of Zelenskyy. That's step one. Get rid of Zelenskyy, whatever it takes. Look, let him move to Spain, get someone else in there and then maybe make a deal. But, but until you get rid of him, there's not going to be a breakthrough. And the war, you're right, it's going to get worse.

[Steve Bannon]

Make the Brazil part of our Latin America. I mean, President Trump and the team are the corollary to the Monroe Doctrine 2.0 Hemispheric Defense. I mean, they're all in, but the Brazil thing just doesn't make sense. Make it make sense to me.

[Jim Rickards]

Well, we've been talking about, you know, kinetic action assassination in Ukraine and elsewhere, but we are, and you know, the kinetic still plays a large role, of course, but we're living in the war. The age of financial warfare. 21st, 21st century is the age of financial warfare. So are we going to invade Brazil? No, not even close. But there's a lot we can do with oil with, you know, when Trump put tariffs on China and going back to 2018 in his first term, what did China do? They stopped buying U.S. soybeans and they moved all their. They started buying the soybeans from Brazil. It was a huge windfall for Brazil and we sold our soybeans to the Netherlands. So, you know, global supply chains, they find, they find their way. But we could put, basically put pressure on China in terms of, get the, get China to buy US Soybeans again, and that would put more pressure on Brazil. You can put financial pressure. By the way, I see one solution. But why, but why are we treating.

[Steve Bannon]

Why we is. Is rare. Is rare earth so important? And particularly the heavy rare earths I think they have, Is that so important that we would treat Lula like a, like a ally and abandoned Bolsonaro?

[Jim Rickards]

Not at all. This is my point. We should put, we should put more pressure, more pressure on Brazil to, you know, to do the right thing. And, you know, basically whatever Bolsonar's network is, and it's quite large, you know, whether it's media scrutiny, financial warfare, etc. Do whatever it takes to, to promote Bolsonaro and promote real democracy, you know. And the point you raise, absolutely. But one of the ways to put pressure on Lula and also put pressure on, on basically solve the affordability crisis. That's a, that's a whole separate issue. That's a domestic policy issue. But I've said this before on your show is get oil down to 25, $30 a barrel. And you made the point. You said, well, that'll hurt Saudi Arabia. And you're right about that. But as a. If you want to win elections in the United States, you have to decide, am I on the side of everyday Americans or am I on the side of Saudi Arabia? I mean, $25 oil hurts Saudi Arabia, but they're not a hardship case.

[Steve Bannon]

What has to worry about the Saudis? According to Jim Rickards, what do we need to do to get oil down to 25 bucks a barrel, which would be what, a third of a third of the cost of, of silver, Right? Roughly. How do, how does Jim Burkins recommend that?

[Jim Rickards]

Well start, start dumping this Venezuela. We're seizing these tankers. Okay? Dump it at fire sale prices. Drill, baby, drill. Open up federal lands for leasing, Alaska, Gulf of America, et cetera. It just flood the market with oil. And the US can do that by the way we are, we are the number one producer of oil in the world, more than Saudi Arabia and Russia. And, and by the way, if you have, if you make peace in Ukraine, and one of the ways to do that is to get the price of oil down, that gets. And Putin's at the bargaining table. But if you really want to get his attention, that's another way to do it. And what people don't understand, Steve, is they think, okay, getting oil prices down lowers the price of gas at the pump. It does. And that's a big deal, and that's what Americans see. But it lowers the price of everything because energy is the biggest input. You know, transportation, manufacturing, plastics, you name it, they all have energy inputs. And a lot of that comes as, I guess, diesel. But you get, you get the price of oil down, you're going to solve your affordability problem, you're going to solve your inflation problem, you're going to get Putin to do a deal and you put pressure on Brazil. It just does 10 things at once. But, but the US can do it with just pumping more oil and natural gas.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Jim Rickards]

Yeah, thank you, Steve. We have a landing page. It's Rickards war room.com records. War room.com you go there, you can subscribe to Strategic Intelligence. That's a flagship publication, comes out once a month. We put a lot into it. Steve, if you asked me to say what it does, we are, we are way ahead of the curve, our predictive analytics. I don't claim to be smarter than anybody else, but we do have better models, better ways of doing this. And our track record speaks for itself. From Brexit, Trump, 2016, 312 electoral votes in 2024, we got them. All right, and we continue to do that. I've just put out the new issue, my 10 forecast for 2026. So, yeah, if you want to not just read the news, recirculate it, but actually stay way ahead of the curve and we have a track record to prove it. Strategic Intelligence @rickards war room.com.

[Steve Bannon]

No, you're absolutely amazing. The thing is, and this is why it's read by what I call the C suites, the chairman of the boards and CEOs. If you want to read what they're reading. Get Rickards go to get strategic intelligence. Go to Rickards Warm. Get a landing page based upon predictive analytics. And you might think about giving as a gift, particularly somebody that's close to you, maybe a younger person. Jim Rickards, Social media. What else? Where else can people track you down? Sir, you're. You're one of our best contributors.

[Jim Rickards]

Thanks. On X I'm at Real Jim Rickards at Real Jim Rickards. And I, you know, I'll put links to. To these interviews and a lot else. A lot of media I'm doing. By the way, I'm on a world tour, Steve, basically teaching maga around the world. You know, I've been to Slovenia. I was in Amsterdam a couple weeks ago, heading to the Cayman Islands. But I'm on a. I'm on a Maga Maganomics world tour. That may be my next book. So. But you can find all that on X at Real Jim Rickards.

[Steve Bannon]

I love that Mega Nomics world tour. Make sure. Make sure it sticks down the Cayman Islands, okay? Make sure they understand where we're coming from. Jim Rickards. Love you, brother. Merry Christmas.

[Jim Rickards]

Merry Christmas.

[Steve Bannon]

Christmas. Jim Rickards. Alan, where do people go to get you on this fight for the freedom of President Bolsonaro and the Bolsonaro movement, which is bigger than ever? Where do people go?

[Alan dos Santos]

Sir Alan dos santos.net is an English version of it. We are on YouTube. Axe gather. They can find the timeline media that we built from the. From the ashes here in America. They destroyed my company in Brazil and we rebuilt everything here with Lambi and Max Cardoso with me in Orlando. And thank you so much, Steve. We need to treat Lula as we are dealing with Maduro. Please.

[Steve Bannon]

He's a Marxist. Exactly, Exactly. We'll have more of that this next week. Merry Christmas, sir. Short break.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[Steve Bannon]

So I want to make sure we get this in and we're pressed for time, but I got one of the best. Sheila Mathis explained this to us. Sheila.

[Jim Rickards]

So I don't.

[Steve Bannon]

This Reiner thing is so horrific. And the more information you find out about it, it's horrific. You've been, I think, the smartest person to walk us through all these different disparate actions have been taken. You know, school shootings, all of it. And you tie it back to. We're not getting to the heart of the problem of what they're doing to these young children and particularly the drugs they're giving them. And the kids have mental issues. You know, maybe that's exacerbated by the psychiatrist and the drugs. They're also on drugs and addicts. This Reiner thing is really dark. Give me a minute or two on where your reporting is and analysis is going on this, ma'.

[Steve Cortez]

Am.

[Jim Rickards]

Sure.

[Sheila Mathis]

So we have now the court sealing the documents, the medical documents of Nicholas Reiner. And this is troubling because he has a long history of psychiatric treatment. We discussed with you that he shot up Wellbutrin, which is being given to children in state care. So this is going to, this upcoming trial is going to be like a Super bowl of psychiatric saturation in our country. So that's like really critical for people to understand because the defense attorney is looking to get him to get life in a state psychiatric hospital. So he's not going to be doing the Zoloft defense which we, you know, looked at over the years with the Pittman case of the 14 year old that killed his, his grandparents. So this particular attorney is going to be defending the psychiatric industry and the drugs. So this is going to be a saturation for people to look at. Why it's important over the whole scheme of all the other shootings that we're looking at at Brown University is the fact that the FBI behavioral analysis unit and we have an article out on Joehoff.com that I really think people should see is the fact that the pharmaceutical companies have been training the FBI unit to protect these drugs and this psychiatric industry. So basically they're telling us a story that a homeless man and a Reddit post solved this Brown University thing. So it's garbage, okay? This is just garbage. So that's why we have to get down to the failure in the Janet Reno playbook of that behavioral health unit in the FBI. So that's why it's very important to understand behavioral health, the psychiatric industry and the drug industry and how our government is in bed with them, defending them. Every time this kid didn't get better, his parents paid $70,000 a month. That's a million dollars a year. And he's slashed his parents throats. Okay, so we're in big trouble because what's happening at Brown University is a national security issue and we could get deeper into that.

[Steve Bannon]

I want to get. What I want to do is have everybody first and I'll get you back on hair. Barry, go to Joe Hoff. If Grace and Mo can push it out are your piece right now. And the reason it's so important is that this guy realizes if he gets him off from the death Penalty and going to a federal. Going to a state prison or a federal prison, he gets to a psychiatric hospital. He could be let go years to come.

[Jim Rickards]

Correct.

[Steve Bannon]

After they deem him to be better.

[Sheila Mathis]

Yes. That happened with the assassination on Reagan. I believe he was let out after all these years. And we are very focused on these assassinations because the mothers in Tyler Robinson, his mother's involved in behavioral health. And same with Thomas Crux, both his parents are. So these, these records are being suppressed, Steve. And this is a national security issue. So we have a right to know about the parents that are involved with these killers.

[Steve Bannon]

Sheila, where do people go for able child? You're at the tip of the spear on this right now. Where do folks go to get more information? And we're gonna put the Johav article out.

[Sheila Mathis]

Joe Hoff has been great. He's got a great piece on the fusion blood fusion and the MIT scientist. I really suggest to read on that ablechild.org, ablechild.org we need signatures on our petition and people, people have been reaching out to us regarding their kids that are on these massive amounts of drugs. So we get back to you. We're not doctors or lawyers but we could tell you what to ask for disclosure and to ask your psychiatrist at your school. So please visit our website. And we're not funded by the government. We're parents. So please contribute.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah. Thank you ma'.

[Jim Rickards]

Am.

[Steve Bannon]

Appreciate you. We'll push it up. Thanks.

[Done With Debt Representative]

Brutal.

[Steve Bannon]

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Thank you. Free shipping. Thank you brother. Charlie Kirk SHOW next post. So after that we're gonna be back at five. There's going to be a live press conference believe from Mar A Lago, the president United States commander in Chief of430. Secretary of War Higson is going to be with him. Secretary of State Marco Rubio is going to be with him. We're told right now it's on shipbuilding. We're going to be back at 5. We're going to go through all of it today from 5 to 7. See you there.