
Episode 5016: President Trump Unveils The Golden Fleet...
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Donald Trump
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Steve Bannon
Ryan Nichols. Deborah Momo.
Captain Fennell
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Donald Trump
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Captain Fennell
Jordan Manko. George White Wolf Riley.
John Phelan
Robert Gieswein.
Donald Trump
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Steve Bannon
Timothy Hale.
Donald Trump
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Steve Bannon
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Donald Trump
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Steve Bannon
Man, that's absurd right there. Welcome for the afternoon division edition of the warm. It's Monday, the 22nd of December, the year of our Lord 2025. That is Anthem of the Free. We're gonna play that again later. Went up to number one over the weekend, backed off a little bit. We got everybody. Go to itunes and download it. We're trying to not just drive this to number one as we've already done, but keep it up there. Anthem of the Free. Or you can hit the. What is it? The QR code? Is that what it's called, a QR code? Hit the QR code on your set and send it there. The President of the United States is coming out. In a moment. Secretary of War Pete Hegseth, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, the Secretary of Navy Phelan all there. Talk about a massive shipbuilding program. The Trump class, I guess. Battleship. Captain Fennell joins us. Captain Fennell, can you give US a few moments before the President comes out at Mar a Lago are the problems. You've been the number one advocate of this. We have a big problem in the United States Navy about shipbuilding and the size of the fleet and the composition of the fleet. What is it and what do you hope to hear from the President of the United States, sir?
Captain Fennell
Well, Steve, first of all, thanks for having me on and Merry Christmas. I think for many of us that have been advocating for restoring America's maritime power that's been basically gutted for the last 35 years, today is an early Christmas present because I expect the President to come out with the members of the Cabinet you've mentioned and they're going to announce kind of a new shipbuilding program and they're going to lead off with the announcement of this new, what they're calling a battleship and it's going to be probably labeled the Trump class. And the first ship of the class I've heard is going to be called the USS Defiant and it's based upon the Arleigh Burke destroyer class of ship that we have currently we've had since the 80s. We have 74 of them. But this is going to be, I think, substantially larger, more survivable. And then there's going to be announcement of other ships that are going to join this. And I think what's really important is that we're finally getting a President of the United States to stand up and say America is a maritime and naval power and we're going to focus on shipbuilding, shipyards, dry docks and reversing the last 40 years of degradation with the failures of the littoral combat ship class, the failure of the Zumwalt class, the massive problems we've had with the Ford class carriers, the problem with the cancellation of this recent Constellation class frigate here in the last two weeks we have had a severe problem in neglecting and balancing out America's national power in the hard power arena with naval power and maritime power. It's not just Navy warships, but it's the support ships that come with it. It's our merchant fleets and it's our industrial capacity to build ships. And we are behind, woefully behind the prc. They have taken the lessons of Mahan and naval warfare over the centuries and they have been building and building and building and they have the largest Navy on the planet today. They have the largest number of anti ship cruise missiles, supersonic, hypersonic, and they have built a force to defeat and sink the US Pacific Fleet and the rest of the US Navy and this president, I expect, will come out and announce this new class and announce this larger focus on our shipbuilding industry. Now, he signed in when he took office here in January. Within the first two months after the SECNAV was confirmed, they announced a White House Office of Shipbuilding. We haven't heard much from it, but they, from what I've been hearing, they've been working behind the scenes and developing a new structure. There's a lot going on. I have some concerns. The new chief of Naval operations announced this week that he was going to establish a new naval war fighting strategy called the Hedge strategy, which is designed as an approach that reduces operational risk by investing in tailored offsets and tailored forces. And it talks about, he said building a fleet to cover every possible threat is too expensive, unrealistic and some suboptimized. I'm a little bit worried about that language. So I'm hoping to hear tonight the President say, hey, we're not, we're building a fleet to do one thing and that's to rule the seven seas. It doesn't mean we have to be everywhere around the seven seas, but given the power of the PLA Navy, we have to build a navy that can take on and defeat the PLA Navy. And if we can do that, then we can do everything else that's tasked to us. And so there's a lot of debate going on about what kind of force structure we need. But clearly what we need is warships, lots of warships, mostly manned in my opinion. But I think there's going to be a big push for unmanned. We saw in the last month an announcement of an unmanned surface vessel that's going to be released to the fleet. It's only 24ft long.
Steve Bannon
It only has let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's talk about that. In that transition after World War II, you had the old Navy that wanted to have more battleships, more lead on target, and you had Billy Mitchell and you had others that said, no, the future of naval warfare is going to be air warfare and you need to build aircraft carriers and the way you dominate is by air. And of course Billy Mitchell was court martialed and there was a huge fight. In fact, it didn't really get worked out, I guess to the late 1930s. Aren't we in the same position? Look, I say this as a surface warfare officer. There's nothing I would like more than to build a series of destroyers or frigates. Particularly President Trump to me gets the joke it's the USS Defiant. You know, you get too many things are named after, I think individuals, even heroes. You got to get back to the naming them after the virtues, particularly the warrior virtues. And I know President Trump, I think feels the same way. That's why the first ship of the class won't be the Trump. The first ship of the class would be the Defiant. But aren't we in the same situation? Haven't drones and unmanned vehicles and all of that, Captain Fennell really made what you're talking about just some fantasy from Victory at Sea, the great series done by Samuel Elliot Morrison, Sir.
Captain Fennell
Yeah, that's exactly the same fight that's going on today, which is what you just said. My pushback is that the Pacific Ocean is 20 times the size of the continental United States. So when I hear somebody from Silicon Valley sell me a 24 foot outboard dinghy and said it can go 1000 miles and I can put a thousand pound warhead on it, I'm asking, well.
Donald Trump
How do you get all those dinghies.
Captain Fennell
Out to the western Pacific to fight the PLA Navy? When on an aircraft carrier, I can take one FNA 18 Hornet and I can load up eight 2000 pound bombs and put, you know, massive amounts of ordnance from just one aircraft. And there's 50 of those fighters on that aircraft carrier. And this notion that the Chinese hypersonic and supersonic anti ship cruise missiles and ballistic missiles are going to find and target every carrier immediately is a fantasy. And if that's true, then there's nothing safe in the western Pacific. None of our air bases, none of our himars and other rocket systems that are being targeted deployed out there right now or any of our bases in CONUS or Honolulu in Hawaii and Pearl Harbor. So the idea that stationary targets are somehow immune from anti ship and anti carrier ballistic missiles, but carriers are the most vulnerable is illogical. And there's a lot of defensive systems that can be built into our carriers. President Trump has announced the golden dome for the United States of America. Well, why can't we build many golden domes for our carrier strike groups and expeditionary strike groups where Americans were crying out loud. Technology and mobile platforms are still survivable in the carrier strike group and all the elements of it, submarines, surface ships and the carrier, they are the most survivable right now. And before we, the old carpenter's, you know, motto, measure twice, cut once. If you start cutting carriers before you have something that's going to replace it in concept, that's very dangerous. Back when Billy Mitchell was around, they were just fielding airplanes and they tried to prove that the carriers back then were vulnerable to air power. And they bombed a ship for like two days and it still didn't sink. So there's a lot of survivability to platforms. And I think what you're going to hear tonight from President Trump and his leadership is survivability of naval platforms has not been a priority. And I think that's going to be the new announcement. And oh, by the way, he's naming this the Golden Fleet.
Steve Bannon
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Donald Trump
Beautiful. It's the first renderings of what we're doing. So I want to wish everybody a big hello and Merry Christmas and welcome to Mar a Lago for this exciting announcement of the new Golden Fleet. We're calling it the Golden Fleet that we're building for the United States Navy. As you know, we're desperately in need of ships. Our ships are, some of them have gotten old and tired and obsolete and we're going to go the exact opposite direction. We're delighted to be joined by secretary of war Pete Hagseth, who's doing a fantastic job, and secretary of the Navy John Phelan. Marco Rubio is here, who gave a great few words toward the end of last week. He spoke for a couple of hours on what a good job we're doing, which is true. As commander in chief, it is my great honor to announce that I have approved a plan for the Navy to begin the construction of two brand new, very large, the largest we've ever built battleships. You know, you used to build the Iowa, the Missouri, the Wisconsin, the Alabama, many others. We had big battleships. These are bigger, but they will have 100 times the. They'll be 100 times the force, the power. And there's never been anything like these ships. These have been under design consideration for a long time. And it started with me in my first term because they said, why aren't we doing battleships like we used to? And the. These are the best in the world. They'll be the fastest, the biggest, and by far 100 times more powerful than any battleship ever built. So if you look at the Iowa, the Missouri, Wisconsin, Alabama and others, but they were similar in size, some a little bit bigger than the others. But if you take the biggest one, it's 100 times more powerful. They're longer by a little bit, but the. And they're bigger. They're bigger ships, but they hold much more. They use the word lethality. Battleships are the largest, sturdiest, and most heavily armed vessel built specifically for naval combat. While America has built many new warships over the years, they've been, they've tended to be smaller and much smaller and not conducive to where we are and where we're going. And peace through strength. But including, we've been building aircraft carriers. We're going to be upping that also. We're going to be going to a superior aircraft. We have the Ford class, we're going to be upping that to a different class of aircraft carrier. And we haven't built a battleship since 1994. These cutting edge vessels will be some of the most lethal surface warfare ships. It will be actually the most ever built. Other than our submarines. We have submarines which will have in many ways even more lethality. And we have many of them under construction. Each one of these will be the largest battleship in the history of our country, the largest battleship in the history of the world ever built. And again, it's 100 times more powerful than the previous Iowa Class, it's called. Those are the big ones that you'd see on a show. Victory at Sea. I don't know if anyone's seen Victory at Sea, but it was a classic. They'll help maintain American military supremacy, revive the American shipbuilding industry and inspire fear in America's enemies all over the world. We want respect. We're going to have it. We already have it. We're more respected now than we ever were a year and a half ago. They laughed at us. Now they respect us again at levels that they've never respected us. We envision that these two ships, we're talking about 10, but we're going to start with two and we're going to quickly morph into 10. And ultimately we think it's going to be anywhere from 20 to 25 of these. But we're starting with the first two immediately and we're going to then be very quickly involved with. I think we're going to do another eight. And then we're going to ultimately and pretty quickly have a total of about 20 to 25. We'll make that determination. We envision that these ships will be the first of a whole new class of battleships to be produced in the years to come. From Theodore Roosevelt, the Great White Fleet. You remember that, the Great White Fleet. To the legendary USS Missouri, whose massive guns helped win World War II. America's battleships have always been unmistakable symbols of national power. We stopped making them for whatever reason, I don't know. And I want to congratulate John Thelen, who is your secretary. Secretary of the Navy. He came to me the first day we met. He talked about battleships and I said, you're absolutely on the right track. He said, why are we doing other things? We have missiles, which are much more expensive, by the way. These battleships have tremendous numbers of missiles, but they also have guns. And in many ways guns can do the trick just as well as missiles at a tiny fraction of the cost. Once completed, these new 30 to 40,000 ton plus vessels will be the flagships of the American naval fleet. And there'll be never, there has never been anything built like them. And I just want to. I want to be very clear that we're building them here. We're working with others, but we're building them here. We have great Navy yards. We'll be negotiating with some of the companies that are running those yards, taking over the yards. We used to build a ship a day during World War II. Now we don't do ships very much anymore. We do military ships, we do submarines by the way, we're 15 to 20 years advanced in our submarines over anybody else. That was one of the things that I did in my first term. We make the best submarines by far in the world. We're at least 15 years advanced ahead of anybody else in submarine development. Most powerful. That's right. The most powerful weapon anywhere in the world. Undetectable. So the battleships are going to be armed just in terms of guns and missiles at the highest level. They'll also have hypersonic weapons, many hypersonic weapons, state of the art electric rail guns, and even the high powered lasers that you've been starting to read about. We have lasers where you aim the laser at a target, it just wipes it out. We're going to have. They'll be the most sophisticated lasers in the world. And the most sophisticated laser in the world will be on the battleships that we're building. They'll also carry the nuclear arms. Sea launched cruise missiles currently under development, which will be instituted pretty quickly, but they're under development and they've proven to be extremely lethal. The US Navy will lead the design of these ships along with me because I'm a very aesthetic person. Alongside our partners in American industry. And we're going to have Pete Hegseth and Marco and a lot of very talented people involved. But a lot of it has already been done. We've been doing this for months. The construction will create thousands of American jobs. We're going to have the jobs be created. I mean, already we have factories being built unrelated to this. Although AI will be a big factor when it comes to these ships. They'll be very AI AI controlled. Today's announcement is yet another step in our mission to make the United States Navy stronger than ever before. Again, when you talk about 100 times the power of these massive ships that we had years ago, it's pretty amazing. And next week I'm going to meet with the defense prime contractors. I'm going to meet with them here, Florida. And we're going to be talking about production schedules because they're too slow. We have many countries, allies that are wanting to buy. We make the greatest equipment in the world by far. Nobody is even close. But they don't produce them fast enough. So we're going to be meeting with them to talk about the production schedules. We're going to have strong production schedules. And the only way they're going to be able to do that is to build new plants. Even with the F35, we have many people who want the F35 fighter jet and it takes too long to deliver them to allies or to ourselves. It takes too long. The only way they're going to be able to deliver them is if they build new plants. They don't want to build new plants because that's expensive. So we're going to be discussing production schedules. We're going to be discussing capex spending. We'll be discussing the pay to executives where they're making 45 and $50 million a year and not being able to build quickly. They're going to make that kind of money. They have to build quickly again. We make the best equipment in the world, but they don't make them fast enough. And we're going to be also discussing dividends. We want the dividends to go into the creation of production facilities. So we'll be talking about all capex dividends and the pay. We're also going to be talking about buybacks. They spend so much money on buybacks. They want to buy back their stock. I don't want them to buy back their stock. I want them to put the money in plant and equipment so they can build these planes fast, rapidly, like immediately. I mean, I have sold more planes than any president by far times, probably 20. Every time I go someplace, I sell 100 planes. That includes commercial planes, Boeings, et cetera. But it also includes fighter jets. And I'm always having to say five years, six years, seven years, helicopters, Apache helicopters, many years. India bought them. They want to get them. They don't want to wait a long time. So we don't want to have executives making $50 million a year issuing big dividends to everybody and also doing buybacks. And then they say, well, we don't have the money to build the plant. They got to build plans. Plans to make F35s plans, plans to make helicopters, plans to make the F47 new jet. And that's it. And that's what I'm going to be talking to them about. They're going to start spending money on building airplanes and ships and the things that we need not in 10 years, in 15 years. We need them now and we're strong about it. Last week, the Navy announced a brand new class of frigate and they're going to be working with the South Korean company, Hanwha, good company, recently agreed to invest $5 billion in Philadelphia Naval Shipyard. We're opening up the Philadelphia shipyard, once a great yard, now it was, it was a long time ago decommissioned, but now it's reopening. Working with the Navy and working with private companies, the Record setting defense bill I signed last week authorized $26 billion to build new ships, including destroyers and various others. We already have a lot of submarines, as you know, under construction. We're building a lot of submarines, I tell you. To be exact, we have right now 15 submarines under construction or ready to start. And we have again the greatest submarine in the world with our technology. Like they talk about chips. Well, I would say submarines are a bigger deal than tips. We have. We're at least, at least 15 years ahead of any other competitor. China, Russia, nobody can come close. We're also building right now three large aircraft carriers in addition to the ones we have. And we have actually, interestingly, we have a lot of submarines. How many submarines do we have now altogether approximately, huh? What?
John Phelan
Over 30?
Donald Trump
We have over 30. But these are the super duper subs and these. And there's nothing like them. So we're going to be doing from 12 to 15 brand new submarines. We have a couple of other things going on. We'll be building other elements of Navy, we'll be fixing up headquarters, we'll be fixing up places for our great sailors to live. And we're going to be working very hard with companies, but we're also going to be penalizing companies that aren't doing a good job. For instance, when they built the Ford, Gerald Ford, the cost overruns were ridiculous. That was done in Norfolk, Virginia. We're going to be talking about that with that company. The cost overruns were out of control. In World War II, the United States built upwards of four ships per day. Can you believe it? Four ships a day on average. And it's now there weren't all big warships, but there were ships, freighters, tankers. And it's a tragedy that we allowed this incredible capability to just go astray. We don't do that much anymore. We do build our warships, but that's about it. But that's a lot. We're going to restore America as a major shipbuilding power. We're going to ensure the USA is the most powerful fleet anywhere in the world and long into the future with battleships helping lead the way and the submarines that again, nobody competes with us on submarines. So I just want to thank everybody and I'd like to ask Secretary Hegseth to say a few words, followed by the Secretary, but if you would, Secretary of the Navy. But Pete is doing a fantastic job by the way. We have. Drugs are down 96.2% coming into the United States, 92.6 by sea. And soon we'll be Starting the same program on land, the land is much easier. But every one of those boats that we knocked out saved 25,000 lives. So we saved 25,000 lives. Every time we knock out one of those boats with the drugs pouring in and you just have to see it. I mean, people say, oh, gee, do you think. Do you think it was really drugs? Well, just take a look. Bags all over the place. That's not fishing equipment. There's no fishing rods on those boats. They move fast. When you see a boat with four engines or five engines on, you know, going 40, 50 miles an hour, well, they get hit. We save 25,000 lives every single time we knock out a boat. And it's over 96% stopped by sea. We're trying to figure out who the other 4% are, frankly. And we're going to have the same success, but even quicker because it's much easier on land. If they want to come by land, they're going to end up having a big problem. They're going to get blown to pieces because we don't want our people poisoned. 300,000 people died probably last year. 300,000. A lot of people say it was 200. Somebody said last night it was only 175,000 people. That's like three stadiums, big football stadiums filled up with people died. But I think the real number is 300,000. We're not going to have that anymore. So we're. We're doing a great job, and we enjoy doing it. Our border is secure. Our country is strong. Trillions of dollars is coming into our country from other countries and companies. They're building factories and plants, including auto plants, all over the United States of America. Without tariffs, they wouldn't be doing anything, although they were very happy with the November 5 election. But it's only because they want to avoid paying tariffs that they're all coming in. And again, the biggest number was $3 trillion in history. That was China many years ago. Now it's $18 trillion. And that's just in 10 months. We think we could hit $20 trillion. That's investment in the United States, including plant and equipment. So thank you very much, and I'll ask Pete to say a few words. And then, John, if you have any questions, we'll take them.
Pete Hegseth
Well, Mr. President, you're exactly right. There are no fishing poles, no fishermen, and no fishing boats. Just drug dealers and narco terrorists. And with every strike, we are saving American lives. No other president was willing to do real deterrence. That's exactly what's happening. It's an honor to be here, Mr. President, Mr. Secretary, Secretary Rubio, to talk about what peace through strength really looks like. You can talk about it or you can invest in it and you can build it. And that's exactly what President Trump is doing at the Department of War. We're restoring the warrior ethos. In fact, the president mentioned the ndaa. We put into law, merit based, we put into law getting rid of DEI and political correctness. That's now part of how our military operates. And you've seen it in record recruiting. In the spirit of the Department of War, we're rebuilding the military. President Trump did it once. He's doing again with historic investment investments today in shipbuilding. And we're re establishing deterrence, whether that's at the border, whether it's through Golden Dome, what happened with Midnight Hammer and what Iran found out, those drug boats and of course, the Houthis opening up the shipping lanes. American strength is back on the world stage. And the announcement of the Golden Fleet, anchored by new battleships, the biggest and most lethal ever, accomplishes all three of those things and marks a generational commitment to, to American sea power. Across the entire department, we are developing new operational concepts, deploying cutting edge technologies and making major investments, including in our Navy. This is happening in all domains, including space, as the president has talked about before anyone else. So it's the highest of domains and the lowest of domains under sea and especially today in sea power that always has to be decisive, has been in the history of America and will continue to be under the leadership of President Trump. We will make sure that anything that flows from our country and with our allies flows freely and uncontested. New and better ships will provide that deterrent today and for generations to come. This new class, these new investments will be the types of things that for decades, for centuries, the American people will look back and thank President Trump for having the vision and the willingness to invest right now in capabilities we need today, tomorrow and long into the future. So, Mr. President, thank you for this investment. And I'll hand it over now to the Navy Secretary.
John Phelan
Mr. President, Secretary Hegseth, Secretary Rubio, thank you for being here on a very consequential day. From my very first conversation with President Trump about serving as the Secretary of the Navy, he's talked about the great Iowa class battleship and why America doesn't build ships anymore with that kind of offensive firepower that takes the fight to the enemy. During my time in the job, I've talked extensively with our combatant commanders Like Admiral Paparo and Admiral Cooper and our CNO Admiral Cottle. What I've learned is is that not only is the President's idea a good one, it's something that Navy desperately needs and now has a formal requirement for the future Trump class battleship. The USS Defiant will be the largest, deadliest and most versatile and best looking warship anywhere on the world's oceans. I want to thank the President for his vision to make this game changing capability for the United States Navy. The Iowa was designed to go on the attack with the biggest guns and that's exactly what will define the Trump class battleships. Offensive firepower from the biggest guns of our era. This ship isn't just to swat the arrows, it is going to reach out and kill the archers. And for the first time in generations will have a new leg in America's nuclear deterrence. Because the Trump class battleship will carry the nuclear armed sea launched cruise missile. Striking dominance isn't all that the Trump class battleship brings to the fight at sea. It has the size and capacity to serve as a flagship for our fleet commanders so that they can command and control naval forces far out to sea. As shown in the series and the President mentioned it. Victory at sea. Admirals Bull Halsey and Raymond Spruance commanded the war in the Pacific from their battleship flagships during World War II. Now this new battleship will command everything from warships to drones and everything in between. We're going to make battle groups great again. And this is just one piece of the President's Golden Fleet that we're going to build with the investments he talked about. A new frigate, the Wright frigate, the one our war fighters have told us they need more amphibious power for our Marines with new capabilities like the medium landing ship. As part of the Navy's high low mix, we're moving out aggressively on unmanned vessels with funding from the President's one big beautiful bill to bring options to the fight and pull new non traditional defense partners into the American shipbuilding ecosystem. And we're making a generational investment in support ships. Logistics wins wars and that kind of shipbuilding is the spark that will ignite the industrial base and help power the commercial shipbuilding that the President has called for. Under your leadership, Mr. President, we will have more tonnage and firepower under construction than ever before in our history. Building the President's Golden Fleet means jobs across the United States. Now there will be work for shipyards everywhere from Philadelphia to San Diego, from Maine to Mississippi, from the Great Lakes to the Gulf coast and for manufacturers that will build components for this battleship in Every state. The President has been clear we must bring back our American maritime industrial might. And he has told me many times that as Secretary of the Navy, it is my job to equip our sailors to win the fight at sea with the finest ships in our history. To conclude, the USS Defiant. Battleship will inspire awe and reverence for the American flag whenever it pulls into a foreign port. It will be a source of pride for every American when it brings home our brave sailors who will sail defiant raise their fists and say, we are peace through strength. And our adversaries will know when the Trump class USS Defiant appears on the horizon, American victory at sea is inevitable. Thank you, Mr. President. Now, when a conflict arises, you are going to ask not one, but two questions. Where are the carriers? And where are the battleships?
Donald Trump
Thank you very much.
Captain Fennell
Thank you.
Donald Trump
I just want to mention that John Phelan is one of the most successful businessmen in the country. In our country. Been a tremendous success. And he wanted to do this and for nothing. He's taken probably the largest salary cut in history, but he wanted to do it. He wants to rebuild our Navy. And you needed that kind of a brain to. To do it properly. So I just wanted to give you a little information on him, which is probably enough. But one of the most successful men in the country, and he's that because he understands it and he understands finance. In addition to what we're talking about. Somebody who's doing a fantastic job is Marco Rubio, Secretary of State. And Marco, maybe say a few words and then we'll answer some questions. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. President. And I don't have much to add. This. This is a phenomenal presentation. Thank you, Mr. President. This is American industrial power returning. This is the ability once again to rebuild, to have industry in the United States. This is generational in the change, not just in terms of applying American war power, increasing our ability to protect the seas. The US Navy is the single biggest source of peace in the world, of all of our forces, because it gives us a global footprint, but it rebuilds American industrial capacity. The ability to make things again in our country has been critical to what the President's agenda has been all about. And this is a tangible reminder of it. And I know the country is grateful for it, and generations of Americans will be grateful for it. So thank you. Thank you, Marco. By the way, I think I'd just like to point out that these ships are made of steel as opposed to aluminum. It's a big difference, as you know, battleships, the Great battleships had 6 and 7 inch steel hulls and these are going to be likewise made out of very powerful steel. Our steel industry is coming back very strongly, by the way. It's coming back at record numbers and we're going to be using them for the steel, but as opposed to an aluminum side, which in all fairness is not the same. So, John, we're going with all steel. I understand. And that's going to be something that people are so surprised. More expensive, but not even comparable in terms of the importance and the strength. Yeah, please. What's your timetable for these first two ships and do you see them as a counter to China? We're going to start almost immediately and we'll probably talk in about two and a half years. And in terms of the mission, do you see it as a counter to China? It's a counter to everybody. It's not China. We get along great with China, have a great relationship with President Xi and not China. It's just everybody. You don't know who comes along. But we just wanted peace through strength. Hopefully we never have to use them, but there will never be anything built like these. Think of it. Those battleships are incredible. These have 100 times the power. Think of that. And they were big and they were powerful. You know, I thought about taking some that are in dry dock and changing them. And then when I said that, you know, if we did would be about. We could increase. If we doubled them, they'd be at like just a tiny fraction of what one of these was. This is the new technology, which is incredible. So we decided pretty early on not to do that. Yeah, please. Mr. President, Julio Rosas with mostpeaceful media. You just referenced the lower amount of illegal drugs that are coming by sea. And you just said that you're going to start that same program on land soon. Are you just referring to Venezuela or are you referring to other countries of anywhere Drugs are pouring in Anywhere. Not just Venezuela. No. Yes.
John Phelan
Speaking of Venezuela, oil.
Donald Trump
What are we going to do with.
John Phelan
The oil that we have?
Donald Trump
Going to do with what?
John Phelan
The oil that has been seized. The United States seized 1.9 million barrels of oil on December 10th.
Donald Trump
We're going to keep it.
John Phelan
Where's it going? Are we going to sell it or.
Donald Trump
Put in the strategic. Maybe we'll sell it. We'll. Maybe we'll keep it. Maybe we'll use it in the strategic reserves. We're keeping it. We're keeping the ships also. Yeah. Please. About Venezuela, sir, have you spoken to American oil companies that have had their assets seized about what a Post Maduro, Venezuela would mean for them. But coming back and restarting the big ones? Yeah, I have. Yeah, please. Why do you feel like this initiative was neglected for so many years and this come amidst the rising tensions between the US And Venezuela we're talking about with Venezuela? Yes. Well, you had a different kind of a president before me. They didn't mind being ripped off. They didn't mind being robbed. They didn't mind drugs pouring into our country. They didn't mind the jails of Venezuela and Trent Aragua being emptied into the US where they take over Colorado and other places. I do mind. So you had a different kind of a president. I hope people are enjoying it because we've never been respected more than we are now. Yeah, please.
Pete Hegseth
Thank you.
Captain Fennell
Thank you, Mr. President.
Donald Trump
Were you surprised by the number of photos of Bill Clinton in the Epstein files?
Pete Hegseth
And can you commit to their Were.
Donald Trump
You surprised by the number of photos of Bill Clinton in the Epstein files and can you commit to their full release by the end of the year? Some of the victims were protesting that too many of them were. I know there are a lot of people that are angry about all of the pictures of other people, you know, but I think it's terrible. Look, I don't like the. I like Bill Clinton. I've always gotten along with Bill Clinton. I've been nice to him. He's been nice to me. We've always gotten along, respect him. I hate to see photos come out of him. But this is what the Democrats, mostly Democrats and a couple of bad Republicans are asking for. So they're giving their photos of me, too. Everybody was friendly with this guy, either friendly or not friendly. But they were, you know, he was around. He was all over Palm beach and other places. The head of Harvard was his best friend, Larry Summers, and Bill Clinton was a friend of his, but everybody was. I actually threw him out of Mar A Lago. And as a, you know, as a person that was in Mar A Lago, I threw him out. Mar A Lago is. This is Mar a Lago. It's the hottest place in. I think it's the hottest place in the world, but it's the hottest place in Florida. And everybody would come here. He'd come here. We actually threw him out. But no, I don't like the pictures of Bill Clinton being shown. I don't like the pictures of other people being shown. I think it's a terrible thing. I think Bill Clinton is a big boy. He can handle it. But you probably have pictures being exposed of other People that innocently met Jeffrey Epstein years ago, many years ago. And they're, you know, highly respected bankers and, and lawyers and others. And they'll end up because of guys like Massie, who's a real low life, whose polls are down to about 9%, by the way, in the great state of Kentucky. If you look at Kentucky, Kentucky is such a great place. But I don't know, they've got a couple of people on there that are very strange in terms of leadership. But Massie is a loser and he likes it. And that he works with the Democrats. He's just being used by the Democrats. Because what this whole thing is with Epstein is a way of trying to deflect from the tremendous success that the Republican Party has. Like, for instance, today we're building the biggest ships in the world, most powerful ships in the world. And they're asking me questions about Jeffrey Epstein. I thought that was finished. I believe they gave over 100,000 pages of documents and there is tremendous backlash. It's an interesting question because a lot of people are very angry that pictures are being released of other people that really had nothing to do with Epstein, but they're in a picture with him because he was at a party and you ruin the reputation of somebody. So a lot of people are very angry that this continues. A lot of Republicans are angry because of the fact that it's just used to deflect against a tremendous success. Look, we have $18 trillion coming into our country. We have, I believe we're going to have the most successful economy in history. We inherited a mess. Now prices are coming way down. Gasoline is less than $2 in some states. $1.99, $197. $195 a gallon. A dollar and 95 cents. Think of that. A gallon. Nobody ever thought they'd say that. They don't want to talk about that. They want to talk about Epstein. And the problem is a lot of Democrats are being caught up in the web. Like Larry Summers. Larry Summers was the head of Harvard. He's now been forced to resign from every board he's on. And he was thrown off the Harvard board. Now he was, you know, he was at Epstein's Island a lot. I wasn't. I never went there, by the way, but fortunately it's nice. But I never went there. But a lot of people did go there. But instead of talking about the battleships or instead of talking about most favored nations, drugs, we're bringing down drug prices, like at a level that has never even been thought of by Thousands. Think of it, by 1000%, by 1200, 1300, 1400%. In some cases. A drug that sells for $10 in London is costing $130 in New York. We're bringing it down to $20, and they're going to go up to $20. So they're going from 10 to 20, which is a doubling. It's a doubling. That's a lot, but it's a doubling. But we're going down to 20. So we're going down, if you can do your own math. But it's 2,000%, 3,000%. It's pretty amazing. And you know, the New York Times had a story about it, a small story way in the back of the paper. It's the single biggest thing to happen in. With respect to drugs. Probably in 50 years. There's never been anything like this. In my first term, I was able to get drug prices down 1/4 of 1%. It's the first time in 28 years that they went down 1/4 of 1%. I was so proud of myself. Now we're doing them 2,000%, 1,500%, 1,200%. That pill that sold for $130 will now be selling as an example for $20, because the rest of the world took advantage of us without tariffs. I could have never done it. I called up the heads of the countries as an example, France. I spoke to a very good man, President Macron of France, and I said, emmanuel, you have to raise your drug prices. He said, no, no, no, we will not do that. I said, you have to. He said, no, I don't want to do that. Look, you're asking me if it would go to $10 to $20, you're going to come way down to 20. We don't want to do that. Now, in all fairness, no other president even tried. But if they did try, there was actually a fake story in stupid USA Today. I didn't even think they'd make it anymore. I haven't. But I saw a story where Biden was trying to do this. Biden never tried to do it. Biden didn't know he was alive. He never tried to do it. But they're taking it from $10 to $20. So he would say. And the other leader said the same thing, no, no, we won't do it. I said, no, no, you're going to do it 100%. They said, nope, we're not doing it. We're not going to double our price. Because again, if you go from $10 to $20. They're doubling their price. We're coming down, though, from 130 to $20 because we're going to get the lowest drug prices, prices in the world, whatever the lowest price is called. Favorite nations. We're going to have the lowest price. So I said, no, no, you're going to. No, no, I will not do this. Politically, it's unacceptable. I said, emmanuel, you're going to do it 100%. Please accept it.
Captain Fennell
Now.
Donald Trump
Be nice. You're going to do it 100%. No, no, no, I will not. I said, yes, you are. He said, why do you keep telling me I am when I'm not? Because if you don't do it, I'm going to put a 25% tariff on everything from France sells into the United States of America. And that's approximately 20 times more than I'm asking for with respect to drug prices. He said, oh, I see. I agreed to do it. Every other country said the exact same thing. They all said, no, I will not do it. I said, all right, on Monday morning, you'll have the 25% tariff. Everything you sell. In the case of France, it was wine, champagne, cars, everything they sell. It's 25 to 30 times the price of what we're talking about at 25%. Every single country agreed, and that was a big problem. The drug companies were difficult, but fine because we have a certain control over the drug companies. We had no control over these foreign nations. So every single country has agreed to do this. So we will take that pill price down as an example. Talking about not just pills, we're talking about everything. We'll take it down from $130 a pill down to $20 a pill, and the rest of the world will take it from $10 a pill up to $20. It's the biggest thing ever to happen, and it's covered, barely covered in the New York Times because it's a fake newspaper. Yeah.
John Phelan
Mr. President, on shipbuilding, how has the administration planned to ensure that their shipping. Sufficient workforce availability as you're producing these ships?
Donald Trump
Could you speak up? How does the administration plan to ensure.
John Phelan
There is sufficient workforce availability as you're producing these ships?
Donald Trump
We're going to have. We're going to have tremendous workforce availability. We're also going to have robots helping us. We're going to have a lot of robots helping us because we need it and because we're going to town. We're building a lot between the AI and the auto plants. So we're going to need robots. We're going to have robots, but that's going to help us. We're going to have tremendous workforce. And in order to operate, you're always going to need people. You know, you could have robots, but you're going to have to get somebody to start those robots and you're going to have to improve the robots. But we're going to have robotic factories plus manpower. So we're going to have enough. We're going to need the help of robots and other forms of, I guess you could say employment. We're going to be employing a lot of artificial things, but the beauty is we're going to have more jobs than we've ever had. Just so you know, a number came out the other day. We have more jobs right now in the United States. More people are working right now in the United States than at any time in the history of our country. Think of that. Pretty amazing. So we'll have the help of, you know, mechanical help, if you want to call it that. But we'll have tremendous employment. They'll be paid a lot of money. They'll make. They'll do better than they ever did. Okay. Mr. President, some may have been expecting a different kind of announcement today, hearing your Secretary of War and Secretary of State here. You mentioned strikes on land in Venezuela more than 15 times even now, just in your recent remarks. Why should Maduro take your threats seriously? And he can do whatever he wants. What's your end game, Maduro? What's your end game? There's no answer. He can do whatever he wants. I mean, we have a massive armada formed, the biggest we've ever had and by far the biggest we've ever had in South America. He could do whatever he wants. It's all right. Whatever he wants to do, if he wants to do something. If he plays tough, it'll be the last time he's ever able to play tough. But they sent their prisoners into us. They sent people from jails, prisons, they sent people from mental institutions and insane asylums into the United States. Just walked right in. Because Biden had an open border policy. What the Biden administration did to our country can never be forgotten. They took in millions and millions, 25 million people over the course of four years. Many of those people were murderers and drug dealers, prisoners, rough prisoners. 11,888 murderers, more than half of them killed more than one person. They came into our country. Now, I spoke to Kristi Noem today. I spoke to Tom Holman today. Came down to see me and we Had a great meeting. They've done an amazing job. We're getting them out. We're getting them out very fast. But this should have never happened. But Venezuela was one of the. Venezuela took advantage of the open borders that Biden created more than any other country Trend. Aragua. We had gangs all over. Look, I mean, you have a very weak governor in Colorado. Look what happened in Colorado, where they would occupy apartment houses. And he didn't want to do anything about it because he was scared. Any other questions? Are you afraid? Yeah, go ahead, please. So in response to the United States taking sanctioned oil from Venezuela, Colombian President Gustavo Petro criticized the United States by saying, well, the Southwest has stolen land and that it should be returned to Latin America. I just wanted to know what your response to that is. Well, he has to watch because, you know, he's got drug factories. They make cocaine in Colombia, and he's no friend of the United States. He's very bad, very bad guy. And he's got to watch his ass because he makes cocaine and they send it into the United States of America from Colombia. We love the Colombian people. I love the Colombian people. They're great people. Energetic, smart, great. But their new leader is a troublemaker, and he better watch it. He better close up those cocaine factories. They have at least three major cocaine factories. We know where they are. He better close them up fast. Yeah. By the way, it's made and sold into the United States, comes through Mexico. Thank you, sir. You've named Governor Landry to be new special envoy to Greenland. How do you. What do you see that role entailing? And is it still your intention that Greenland is part of the US he viewed Louisiana, the Louisiana Purchase. He said, I'm governor of Louisiana. And he said, I would love. I didn't call him. He called me. He's very proactive. He's a great guy. He's a deal guy. He's a deal maker type guy. And we need it for national protection. We need Greenland for national protection. They have a very small population and I don't know, they say Denmark, but Denmark has spent no money. They have no military protection. They say that Denmark was there 300 years ago or something with a boat. Well, we were there with boats too, I'm sure, so we'll have to work it all out. But he. He felt very strongly we needed for national. We need Greenland for national security, not for minerals. We had. So we have so many sites for minerals and oil and everything. We have more oil than any other country in the world. We Need Greenland for national security. And if you take a look at Greenland, you look up and down the coast, you have Russian and Chinese ships all over the place. We need it for national security. We have to have it. And he wanted to lead the charge, so we're making him, Marco, today a special envoy to Greenland. Greenland's a big deal. Yeah.
Pete Hegseth
On Ukraine, can you give an update.
John Phelan
On the talks that took place this past weekend?
Donald Trump
And could a trilateral discussion of sort.
John Phelan
Be the next step for Ukrainian, US And Russia?
Donald Trump
So the talks on Ukraine. Russia are going along. They lost, as you know, 27,000 soldiers last month. Mostly so just some people. People, but some people in Kyiv, et cetera, but mostly soldiers. And the talks are going along. And I say that, you know, there's tremendous hatred between these two leaders, between President Putin, President Zelensky, tremendous hatred. And I hope we can get it done. We are talking. Talks are going okay, but, you know, I've solved eight wars. And Thailand is starting to shape up. You know, they started with Cambodia. They started up again. But I think, Marco, we have that in pretty good shape to have that stopped. So we stopped eight wars. And I thought this would be in the middle of the pack, but maybe easy, but in the middle of the pack. But there's a lot of hatred between those two people. And when there's hatred, there's. You know, but we stopped one war 38 years. One war 35 years. One war was going on for 32 years, and we stopped. Think of it, we stopped a potential nuclear war between Pakistan and India. And the head of Pakistan, highly respected general, he's a field marshal and also the prime minister of Pakistan, said President Trump saved 10 million lives, maybe more, by getting that war. You know, eight planes were shot down. That war was starting to rage. And he actually said the other day that President Trump said so. Saved 10 million lives, maybe more. So we solved all these wars. The only one I haven't solved yet is Russia, Ukraine. Are you Christmas Day deadline with Russia and Ukraine? And have you spoken with Putin or Zelensky or plan to.
John Phelan
To push the deal?
Donald Trump
I have to do. I mean, I'd like to see it stop. Look, we don't lose any money in that war anymore. You know, Biden gave $350 billion, and who knows what happened to it. We now sell missiles, planes, all of the best military equipment. We sell it to NATO. We got NATO to go from 2% GDP to 5%. Nobody believed that. To this day, nobody is going to write that, but nobody believed it. And they Take that money and they pay it to the United States for weapons. So we sell weapons to NATO. We sell full price. We sell weapons to NATO and NATO takes those weapons and probably distributes them, but gives a lot of them to Ukraine. So we're not. We don't lose any money like we did with Biden. He was spending money like a. Like a fool. He was a fool. What he did to our country is so horrible. But he gave it $350 billion between cash. Gave a lot of cash. 350 between cash and weapons. You remember at the beginning of that whole thing, I gave them Javelins. Javelins are the anti tank busters. And President Obama at the time gave them sheets. I gave them Javelins. They gave them sheets. But you know the bottom line, it's time for. I think they're all tired of that war. Everyone's tired of that war. It's got to stop. Yeah, please. The US Was in active pursuit of a sanctioned oil tanker yesterday. Are you able to share what became of that tanker? Was the US able to seize it? Well, it's moving along and we'll end up getting it. Yeah, we're actually pursuing it. Can you imagine? Because it came from the wrong location. It came out of Venezuela and it was sanctioned. Yeah, Please go in Venezuela to force Maduro from power. Well, I think it probably would. I can't tell that. That's up to him, what he wants to do. I think it would be smart for him to do that. But again, we're going to find out. Look, Venezuela did terrible things to the United States. They sent hundreds of thousands of people, millions of people, into our open border. They sent their criminals, they sent their prisoners. They sent their drug dealers. They sent their mentally insane and incompetent people into our country more than any other country. Others did too. The Congo did. Others did too. And we just let them come right in because we were run by a stupid president. But you don't have a stupid president anymore. Mr. President, have you set up the meeting with the health care insurers just yet? And what are you hoping to get out of the meeting? I'll be setting it up. I think we're going to meet with healthcare, the healthcare insurers, the insurance companies. So what I'm asking for in healthcare is very simple. Obamacare is a disaster. I call it the Unaffordable Care Act. Unaffordable as opposed to. It's unaffordable. They're going to have a tremendous increase in premiums, which is Obamacare, which is them the Democrats fault. They'll try and blame Republicans. It has nothing to do with us. It's the Democrats fault. What I want to do is we spend hundreds of billions of dollars a year that go to insurance companies. I want that money to go to the people and let the people buy their own healthcare. And everybody loves it. It's become our issue.
Captain Fennell
Now.
Donald Trump
Before I do that, I'll meet with the insurance companies, just as I met with the drug companies. As you know, we're meeting with four other drug companies, Johnson and Johnson, but they've all agreed.
Steve Bannon
Okay, this is War Room. We're passing the baton over on RAV to John Solomon and Justin News. We're going to continue on the War Room channel here. We're going to continue the press conference and Captain Fennell, Natalie Winters will join us immediately after the president answers questions.
Donald Trump
Most favored nations. Nobody thought that was possible. I don't think any other president ever tried to get it because they never thought they could. But with respect to the insurance companies, I want to meet. There's essentially 14 of them. 10 big, but there's a total of 14 pretty much, oh, pretty big. And I want to meet with them and I want to say I want you to cut your rates way down, way, way down. And maybe if they do that, we'll be able to not cut them out. We'll be able to continue to deal with them, which is probably a little easier process.
Date: December 23, 2025
Host: Steve Bannon
Location: Mar-a-Lago (for Trump’s remarks)
In this high-profile episode, Steve Bannon hosts a live broadcast covering President Donald Trump's announcement of a historic new U.S. Navy shipbuilding initiative: the "Golden Fleet." Flanked by top administration officials—Secretary of War Pete Hegseth, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and Secretary of the Navy John Phelan—Trump outlines a vision for a reinvigorated American naval power, focused on building the largest and most lethal battleships in U.S. history. The episode also covers strategic, industrial, and geopolitical implications, with interactions between Bannon, Captain Jim Fennell (former Navy intelligence chief), Trump, and other cabinet guests, plus a lengthy presidential Q&A touching on global affairs and domestic priorities.
Scale & Vision
Technological Features
Shipbuilding & Industrial Policy
Restoring Military Prestige
Other Capabilities
Shipbuilding Timetable & Objectives
Drug Interdiction & Border Security
Venezuela & Seized Oil
Industrial Workforce & Robots
Greenland & Global Strategy
Ukraine War & International Diplomacy
Healthcare Plans
Epstein Files Controversy
"Today is an early Christmas present because I expect the President to come out...and they're going to announce...the Trump class....The first ship of the class I've heard is going to be called the USS Defiant."
— Capt. Fennell, [03:23]
“We're building a fleet to do one thing and that’s to rule the seven seas....given the power of the PLA Navy, we have to build a navy that can take on and defeat the PLA Navy.”
— Capt. Fennell, [05:44]
"These...will be 100 times more powerful than any battleship ever built...There’s never been anything like these ships."
— Donald Trump, [12:50]
“We make the greatest equipment in the world by far. Nobody is even close. But they don't produce them fast enough. So we're going to be meeting with them to talk about the production schedules....If they're going to make that kind of money, they have to build quickly.”
— Donald Trump, [19:44]
"This ship isn’t just to swat the arrows, it is going to reach out and kill the archers."
— John Phelan, Secretary of Navy, [33:53]
“Now, when a conflict arises, you are going to ask not one, but two questions: Where are the carriers? And where are the battleships?”
— John Phelan, [36:20]
“He better close up those cocaine factories. They have at least three major cocaine factories. We know where they are. He better close them up fast.”
— Donald Trump, on Colombian president, [54:57]
| Component | Key Features | Strategic Goal | |-----------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------|-------------------------------| | Trump Class Battleships | 30-40,000 ton, largest ever, hypersonic missiles, lasers | Global sea dominance | | Submarine Fleet | 15+ in construction, tech “15 years ahead” | Undersea superiority | | Aircraft Carriers | 3 new in construction, tech upgrade planned | Power projection | | Frigates & Support Ships | New "right frigate" class, logistics emphasized | Full-spectrum capability | | Industry/Job Creation | Reviving shipyards, robotic factories, US steel emphasis | Economic/infrastructure boost |
This episode marks the launching point for a major Trump administration effort to restore America’s naval prestige, power projection, and shipbuilding industry—the "Golden Fleet." It’s part policy announcement, part campaign rally, and part global warning shot, combining technical details, economic visions, and combative political rhetoric. The show also parallels historic debates on sea power’s future, tackles current global flashpoints, and offers a window into Trump-era executive style—improvisational, industrialist, and nationalist.
For listeners seeking the big picture:
“Golden Fleet” is about more than ships—it’s about reasserting American hard power, restoring industrial prowess, and reshaping both the global military balance and the national economic agenda.