Episode 5019: Does New Polling Reveal Christ Is Alive In The US

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room – Episode 5019

Title: Does New Polling Reveal Christ Is Alive In The US
Date: December 24, 2025
Host: Steve Bannon
Guests: Mark Tepper, Neil McCabe, Rick Santelli, Richard Baris, Taj Gill, Trevor Comstock, Fallon Gallagher

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Overview

In this Christmas-season episode, Steve Bannon focuses on newly released economic data, the political implications for President Trump, the role of faith and belief in the U.S. (highlighted by Richard Baris' Christmas poll), and the impact of a Supreme Court ruling limiting presidential authority over National Guard deployments. The conversation weaves together economic optimism, cultural commentary, and urgent policy debates.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. U.S. GDP Growth and Economic Optimism

• Strong Economic Data:
  • The actual U.S. GDP growth number hits 4.3%, beating expectations of 3.3%.
  • Mark Tepper credits Trump-era policies, particularly tariffs and capital expenditure incentives, for this surge.
    • Quote (Mark Tepper, 00:17):
      “President Trump’s trade agenda is working... the artificial intelligence productivity boom is really clearly in the data.”
  • AI is referenced as a major productivity driver, compared to the technological leaps of the 1990s.
  • The panel suggests that mainstream economists and business media are consistently underestimating performance.
    • Quote (Mark Tepper, 01:17):
      “If 94% of Wall Street economists are getting the macro trends wrong... maybe the fake news... should reconsider and grab their pencil and redo their economics.”
• Bond Market and Inflation:
  • Rick Santelli explains bond yields’ reaction and expresses skepticism that 2% inflation is attainable, attributing good/strong economies to increased rate competitiveness.

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2. Political Implications and Media Narrative

• Democrats at a Disadvantage:
  • Bannon argues that robust growth strips Democrats of their core “economic misery” talking point against Trump, making them “more dangerous” politically (05:37–07:00).
  • The War Room frames the economic rebound as a result of “populist nationalist” priorities, not mere Republican orthodoxy.
    • Quote (Steve Bannon, 06:50):
      “As a populist nationalist movement, we’re not like traditional Republicans... we’re a country and a culture and a society.”

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3. Richard Baris’ Annual Christmas Poll: Faith in America

• Religious Identification Trends:
  • 92% still celebrate Christmas; about 80% of Americans believe in God.
  • Of those, 93% affirm that Jesus Christ was the son of God.
  • The “nones” (religiously unaffiliated) are declining, not rising—contrary to media claims. Down from 24% at peak to 18-19%.
    • Quote (Richard Baris, 20:32):
      “The rise of the nones... has flatlined and somewhat reversed.”
  • A notable gap exists between belief in God/Christ and formal church identification: only 40–45% Protestant, 25–30% Catholic.
    • Quote (Richard Baris, 23:44):
      “You have this gap of people who don’t want to identify with one of those traditional Christian denominations yet are saying they believe in God. So something is wrong.”
• Spiritual Confusion and Church Critique:
  • Many “nones” are “spiritual but not affiliated” and distrust church leadership due to scandals or political distractions.
  • Baris critiques both Catholic “money-making” in immigration and mainstream Protestantism for losing focus.
    • Quote (Richard Baris, 26:14):
      “People are just walking around in the wilderness looking for God and there’s nobody to tend the flock.”

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4. Supreme Court Ruling – National Guard and Deportations

• Major Decision Against Trump Administration:
  • In a 6-3 decision, the Supreme Court blocks Trump from federalizing the National Guard in Illinois to support ICE and deportation efforts (33:07).
  • Gorsuch, Thomas, and Alito dissent; Barrett and Roberts side with liberal justices.
    • Quote (Fallon Gallagher, 33:25):
      “The court... ruled against the Trump administration, saying he cannot deploy or federalize the National Guard in Illinois.”
• Panel Reaction and Historical Context:
  • Bannon and Neil McCabe warn of the precedent, contrasting it with Lincoln, Eisenhower, JFK using the Guard for national purposes.
    • Quote (Neil McCabe, 38:11):
      “If you can’t exercise control over the army, then what are we doing here? ... There’s not a lot of nuance in commander in chief.”
  • Taj Gill and Neil McCabe propose workaround strategies, like surging Border Patrol instead, and voice concern over politicalization of law enforcement (46:06–47:19).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Steve Bannon (04:49):
  “Pray for our enemies because we’re going medieval on these people. You’re just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.”

• Richard Baris (19:29):
  “We have a bunch of spiritual, or would-be spiritual people who want to believe in God, but wandering around in the wilderness because church leaders are too busy shilling for their favorite foreign policy or whatever it is.”

• Neil McCabe (41:16):
  “If the president cannot control the military, then what are we doing here? The party’s over. You know, the judges have no role in the military. It just isn’t in the Constitution.”

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• 00:00–02:40: Reaction to GDP report and macroeconomic trends
• 04:44–05:37: Political/media implications; Bannon’s populist framing
• 16:38–26:33: Deep dive into Richard Baris’ Christmas/faith polling
• 33:07–41:56: Supreme Court ruling discussion, historical parallels, and practical fallout
• 46:06–47:19: Proposed workarounds for immigration enforcement post-ruling

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Additional Insights

• Data & Methodology:
  • Baris explains his poll’s large sample size (almost 4,000), mixed-mode data collection, and year-over-year consistency.
• Institutional Distrust:
  • Both the economic and religious discussions circle back to an argument that American institutions—media, mainstream economists, church leadership—are out-of-step with “the people.”
• Show Tone:
  • Defiant, combative, optimistic about “America First” policies, critical of both traditional church and political establishment.

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Conclusion / Takeaways

This episode offers a double Christmas message: economic news is (in the War Room’s account) better than the establishment media admits, largely due to Trump’s enduring policies, and—contrary to a narrative of secular decline—a broad majority of Americans still believe in God and, specifically, in Christ as the Son of God. However, this faith is increasingly divorced from formal religious affiliation, blamed on institutional failures. Politically, the Supreme Court’s decision marks a rare and significant setback for Trump’s enforcement agenda heading into a pivotal election year.

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For more polling details:
Richard Baris, @PeoplesPundit on Locals: peoplespundit.locals.com

For guest and panel social links:

• Neil McCabe: @reportermccabe on social platforms

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Note: Non-content commercial segments and product plugs have been omitted per instructions.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

We are looking right now at the GDP number at 4.3% is the actual number versus an estimate of 3.3%. Mark Tepper, your reaction.

[Mark Tepper]

So, last week we talked about inflation coming in lower than expected. Now economic growth is one full percentage point faster than expected. It was supposed to come in at 3.3, came in at 4.3. This is a direct result of everything President Trump has put in place. Net exports are on the rise because of Trump's tariff policy, which is leveling the trade playing field. Air is increasing productivity, businesses are investing in spending, and the consumer remains strong. And just think next, I think, well, next quarter they'll end up getting an extra $150 billion in refund checks that they can then deploy and spend as well.

[Steve Bannon]

So, great number, great number, 4.3%.

[Neil McCabe]

And I've got to say, when I.

[Steve Bannon]

See a GDP of 4.3%, I have to believe 5% is not far away. And that, of course, is what Louis Navalier told us last week, Mark, that we're going to see a 5% GDP handle in the first half of the year.

[Mark Tepper]

He looks like Nostradamus right now. I mean, he almost predicted that on the head. Obviously, 5% is well within our reach, especially given the consumer tailwinds I just mentioned.

[Neil McCabe]

Right.

[Mark Tepper]

Well, it's really a fantastic number and it's a great Christmas present for the American people. And, you know, I would say that the headline for me is two things that I think the big macro trends that we're seeing in these numbers are, first of all, the President Trump's trade agenda is working. And so we got about, you know, one and a half percent of the growth on 4.3 because we reduced the trade deficit. And then the other thing that I think, which is a big macro thing that we're seeing, is that the artificial intelligence productivity boom is really clearly in the data. And I guess you and I are old enough that we remember back in the 90s when the computer came in, that all of a sudden you had like 4% quarters all the time, one after the other. And it kept surprising people because they thought, oh, you know, computers everywhere, but in the productivity data. But we're seeing it in the data, and we're seeing the same kind of regular surprises for market participants. And so we went back and we looked at every Bloomberg forecast for the main numbers since September and found that on average, we outperformed the forecast 94% of the time. So if 94% of Wall street economists are getting the macro trends wrong, they need to start to think about, hey, you know, maybe Trump's policies are actually way better than we. And maybe the fake news that says all these terrible things about Trump policies should reconsider and you know, get grab their pencil and redo their economics.

[Richard Baris]

Let's get the bond report. Rick Santelli has more on how the markets are reacting to all of these cross currents.

[Steve Bannon]

Rick, what can you tell us?

[Rick Santelli]

Well, you know, I like the way the charts tell a picture. If you look at twos and tens when the number was released, a couple of things should jump out at you. The twos definitely seem to be more aggressive in holding the upside down. I don't think that's for any big reasons to explain the Fed or acknowledge percentages and probabilities. I think it's purely the next chart which is 10 years bucking up against that 419 to 420 resistance. That chart goes back nearly two weeks and stopping it there makes perfect sense. And if you open the chart up, should we settle above 419 and it doesn't look like we will, that'd be a three and a half month high yield. Close to me, a bit of the surprise today was the dollar index. When the data was released at 830, it definitely turned up. It had been moving down. But it really doesn't alter the general picture Any close today below 98, 14 is a two and a half month low. And to answer your question more directly, Kelly, I personally still don't see any path to get to 2%. So many could disinflation, especially those that were potential picks for Fed chairs. But ultimately, just like anything else in our economy, when the economy gets good, competition for capital gets hot. And that's why usually historically a good economy may have higher rates. Specifically on the long end, it isn't necessarily a bad thing. I think the big negative here is the fact that we have one report with hot inflation, we have other reports with cool inflation. I need to get a better gps. And in terms of consumer confidence, I would take a very big shovel and shovel them all right into the garbage dump because Main street media has polluted the well and this administration doesn't get a lot of credit that the markets give it. And I think that's what the issue is driving negative confidence.

[Neil McCabe]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

[Steve Bannon]

Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Mark Tepper]

And where do people like that go.

[Richard Baris]

To share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.

[Neil McCabe]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Steve Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Rick Santelli]

War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Steve Bannon]

Tuesday 23rd December your Virlo 2025 I said in my speech the other night to Amfest that this would be the I don't want to say next the midterm election, most important election in history. You've heard that every election for years, although we have won seven of eight national elections since 2015, 2016, that this would be the hardest and toughest and I think the most politically violent because the radical left is about to lose the economic argument. You can tell this as we've been tracking our war room, bringing you the top experts to talk about the big beautiful bill and the capital expenditures from that and the tax relief that capital providers are getting, companies are getting, plus the forcing function of the pincer move, the forcing function of the tariffs which are driving corporate and country investment in the United States in plant and equipment to which President Trump says 19 trillion, but it's, it's, I don't know if that's the exact number, but it's a big number, as is the big number other that is coming now. But it's really going to manifest itself in the first and second quarter. Folks, I just want you to know the number that came out today, when you really get below the hood is pretty damn impressive. If you couple that with the inflation number the other day, we're point down on inflation, which is nobody expected that. And now you have 4.3% growth. And as EJ and Tony said, this is not because of government spending. A lot of the positive numbers you had during the Biden regime was 100% because of government spending. Here you've got consumer, solid consumer spending. It's just not all in the elites. You've got some capex coming in. These are very solid numbers. And as Maria Bartiromo said, hey, if you get 4.3 now, she sees a five handle sometime in 2026 and we start getting 5% growth, you're kind of turbocharging in the modern world. My point, if this trend continues, particularly when the big payoff of the capital expenditure and of Course, they talked there about the tax returns and all the different tax breaks he's given working class people and what they're talking about, these refunds. Plus you got the 1776 money coming in. You know, you could put up some big numbers potentially. The Democrats are going to lose the club that they have tried to browbeat President Trump from the beginning of the economy. He got a terrible economy. And it looks like with, you know, Scott Bess and Peter Navarro Hassett, with no help from Powell and the Fed at all. We've had Malpass on here telling you about how it's an anti growth strategy over there. That it is. This is enormously, enormously impressive. And a bunch of the people are sitting there going, oh, Trump is finished, it's done. Let's move on. And maga, you know, maga's like the school cafeteria now. Who's sitting at the cool clubs, the cool kids table, who's saying what about what person? As I keep, as I said at that speech the other night, and I tell you every day on the show, that's not, that's all noise. All of it's noise. There are deep, deep things going on here that from a policy perspective, whether it's AI, whether it's this issue of Greater Israel, whether it's the mass deportations and at the cornerstone of it is the economy. Now, we're, as a populist nationalist movement, we're not like the traditional Republicans. The economy is everything because we're much more than the economy. We're, we're a country and a culture and a society. And on that note, the Supreme Court, I'm not saying it's a total loss, but I think it was a surprise. At least it was a surprise to me. Maybe not to some of the people on the left and maybe not even some of the people that were arguing it, although I think the administration, we did get a speed bump today. They've ruled that it's 6, 3 that the troops can't go into Chicago to remove to support the ICE agents in removing illegals. For right now, that's on hold. The president can't send them in until the whole thing's adjudicated. In other words, they were looking for temporary relief to keep the troops in there. The Supreme Court has essentially backed President Trump's Article 2 powers and the expansion of those powers to what the Constitution says. And I think this is the first time we've really hit a speed bump. We're going to get more about that. We're trying to get Mike Davis, some of the legal guys, but we got Neil McCabe, who's a national Guard. To give that perspective, I want to bring in Barris, Richard Barris. So, Richard, you've done this big poll. You always do a Christmas poll, and I want to get to that. But I gotta ask you these numbers and I'm gonna replay part of that cold open later. You saw the, you know, kind of the people, very excited, I wanna say ecstatic, but very excited about where these numbers are going, particularly people that are supporters of President Trump. And I can just double up. If you read the ft, if you read the New York Times business section, the Washington Post business section, the Wall Street Journal, it's always doom and gloomy. Their elements, they like the tax cuts for themselves on the big beautiful bill. But they say President Trump's lost, you know, the animal spirits have lost confidence in him. I think it's anything but that. I think these numbers today are pretty shocking thoughts about that, Richard, because I said, hey, look, as soon as the Democrats lose affordability in the head, they got a double whammy yet a significant drop in inflation and toward growth. I mean, it should be the exact opposite. President Trump, kind of that the magic he pulled in 2017-2019, culminating in 2019, may be back at work, sir.

[Neil McCabe]

Yeah.

[Richard Baris]

Thanks, Steve, for having me. As always. Merry Christmas, everybody. Look, that report, you know, I, you watch cnn, you watch cnbc, and you know, they can't help it, they have to, you know, at least they could try to glaze if they want, but this was a much bigger number than expected. And truth be told, if you understand how the methodology for GDP works, you understood from the beginning the brilliance of Donald Trump's tariff strategy. Steve, we've had this insane policy of slicing a massive chunk of our GDP off with ridiculous trade deficits. And now we have these multi year lows that we haven't seen in a long time or narrowing of the deficit, plus the tariffs themselves. And I think this is a very big, very big deal for people who had to, you know, tolerate and live through what the left wing media said would happen with these tariffs. They did not create the inflationary crisis that the Chicken Littles who are, you know, were claiming the sky was going to fall, said they would create. So this fear that they put into the public never came to fruition. And now we're seeing this huge growth. I was listening to Maria in the, in the open, you know, 5% growth on the horizon. It can happen. He changed. He did something that no other President really had the, you know, the stomach or the backbone to do. He went after the ridiculous trade regime. And that was always going to have a dramatic impact on GDP plus spending was a lot, much more than people expected. It was 3.5. The consensus on econom day was two and a half. That's a big beat, Steve, a big beat. People don't spend when they're concerned.

[Steve Bannon]

It's huge. It's, it's a major, it's a major print. I remember when we talked about the big beautiful bill and debt and deficits and increasing. The audience will remember this. We had Besson on here.

[Neil McCabe]

We had.

[Steve Bannon]

They were Besson's theory of the case. If you can get to three, definitely three and a half, but maybe 3% growth continuous off of this, that you could outrun the deficits of adding more to the national debt. I mean, none of those guys thought about a 4.3% in the third quarter in the end this year, and I think 4 or 5. What Maria is saying is that you can see, you can see a. You can see a print. You can see a print for 5% in 2026. This is why I say the Democrats, when you take this issue away from them, which they've totally misread in the, in the, in the business media has been, you know, clubbing President Trump. This is why I said at Amfest, you take this, you take this issue away from them, they're gonna go crazy and they're gonna be even more dangerous than they've been to date. Anyway, Richard, you've got your Christmas poll. You do every year, and we always have you on to talk about it. We're packed. We start off today. I didn't want to have many guests. I wanted to spend a lot of time with each guest on a couple of issues, including what's going on with Heritage. Huge news. Rabbi Walecki birthed that. Huge news this morning on the show that Ron Dermen, others are working on a proposal with Netanyahu that I think he's going to present to President Trump when he comes to meet. And it's about ending the MoU. People have talked about extending it for another 25 years, about ending it, not taking any more money from the United States for Israeli, for Israel's defense. Get their complete sovereignty and their total independence. We're going to take a short commercial break. Take your phone out. Text Bannon B A N N O N at 989-898. The ultimate guide for Investing in Gold and Precious Metals. Don't Forget silver, it's free. No obligations from Birchgold. If you can make one holiday wish, would you wish to be free from your credit card and other debt? Let's see if we can help you with that. If we could give yourself one gift this holiday season, would it be finally to get some relief from your credit card and other debt? I might have a solution. Here's why. Now's the time to make a move. This time of year, credit card and loan companies close out their books. They clean up past due accounts. They sell or write off the debt to clear their books. That means if you have credit card debt and unpaid bills, lenders may be more open to negotiating and settling your account before you're in. That means right now, and I mean right now, you may actually have leverage. And done With Debt knows how to use this to your advantage. They monitor lender trends and understand the year end pressure on creditors. They use that timing to negotiate hard on your behalf. Now's the time to get out from under crushing debt and interest payments without bankruptcy or taking on new loans. Done with debt goes to work for you Month one with one clear goal to reduce your total debt and leave you with more money every month. Get started now because your leverage may disappear at the end of the year. Chat with a done with debt [e-mail] that's donewithdebt.com donewithdat.com do it today.

[Rick Santelli]

Here's your host Stephen K. Band.

[Steve Bannon]

Richard Barris, Good news today over the economy of course it's coming out a couple days before Christmas. A lot of people there were impasse is but a lot of people kind of punched out of the news and are doing things closer to home. But you've always got your, your Christmas poll. You're revealing it now. Can you walk us through it, sir?

[Richard Baris]

Little late this year Steve. It's usually about a week earlier but you know things, you know the calendar calls right. But every year we ask, we ask a series of questions. Number one, do you Christmas and then various ways that people do. We even asked what their favorite, you know, color scheme Christmas color scheme is the classic red and green right. The red and white candy cane which is all really fun. But I think the highlight from this poll is that this year, well first of all 92% of the country still celebrates Christmas which is incredible. But when this year we decided we always had this question which asked people whether or not they how religious do you celebrate? Is it a strongly religious component for you? Somewhat religious. Not really. Really religious and this year we wanted to expand on that. So we asked straight up about belief in God. And that's not just to everyone who said yes, they celebrate Christmas. That's everybody and belief in God. About 8 in 10Americans believe in God as a testament to this being a Christian nation. 93 of them believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God. Which is something else that we asked, which I, I just thought is huge. Somebody's got it point blank asked this. We'll ask about the resurrection when we get around to Easter. But we really wanted to ask that point blank to people. And that number was massive. Of the 10%, Steve, another big one. Of the 10 who told us that they were unsure about whether they believed in God because. Because our results show that this unbelief for the rise of the nuns is probably exaggerated. It's more like we have a bunch of spiritual, or would be spiritual people who want to believe in God, but wandering around in the wilderness because church leaders are too busy, you know, shilling for their favorite foreign policy or whatever it is. But we were told by these people that the reason why they said unsure is that they think that God probably or likely exists. 60% of them said that. And that they're, they just have doubts. So you have this massive number of people that we just consider to be unbelievers, really not unbelievers. They're celebrating Christmas. They want to believe. They just have doubts. They have questions and they don't know. And I, I honestly think every year the Christmas bowl, it's great, it's fun, but it does highlight that the church has some real problems. And this year when we prodded a little bit more, now we know why people are not answering their questions. Only about 40% of those who said they were unsure said that it's likely in their minds maybe God doesn't exist, but they still even doubt that nobody, almost none of the people who said they're unsure say that, you know, God just, just doesn't exist. That's amazing to me. Think about that. I mean, I don't want to rush it. Yeah, go ahead.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to, I want to go back and just make sure we get nomenclature right. When you say nones, that's N O, N E S, that's people that don't, don't an affiliated religion at all, whether it's Hindu, Muslim or Christian, and then don't define it from there. So walk me back through that math again and particularly how's it trended over time. You do this Every year, you kind of take the temperature of the American people during one of our holiest seasons. How has this trended over time? And how. Because everybody, Time magazine, they all talk about nuns, people are not affiliated. How has that trended over time?

[Richard Baris]

So that has. So the rise of the nuns, as they always like to call it, has flatlined and somewhat reversed. And we measure this year over year, like you said, every year it appears to be marginal, but those nuns have fallen from a high of 24% to now around 19 18%. So it's on the decline. It's just that these people don't know where to go. That's what it comes down to. They don't know where to go. So they don't know who to ask. They don't know where to pray. They don't know where to go observe. They just, they, they feel like they have no idea. And they have a deep distrust of church institutions. There have been, you know, various scandals over the years that have. That have hurt religious identification pretty badly. All of the, all of the research shows that, but it doesn't mean they don't want to believe, and it doesn't mean there's this incredible explosion of secularism. There was. Is what I'm trying. There was once upon a time. Now that has reversed in as far as just the number of people who celebrate Christmas. The number who, who said they have no religious affiliation but celebrate this year is actually up about four points from last year, which, you know, these things don't happen in huge blocks, but we do watch the trends. And I think this, again, I mean, the highlight of this poll every year is that I think church leaders need to remind themselves what their primary focus is. Steve, if you're a Christian like you, or I am, right, you believe in the eternity of the soul, and you believe in salvation, especially if you're a believer in Christ. And if you said, if any of these respondents said, yes, I believe that Jesus was the son of God, then you have a duty to go out and get those people and save them. Right. I mean, that's what this is all about. And not every person takes it as seriously as maybe they should if they're Christians. But, you know, who should every day? Church leadership. And they're too busy at this event, you know, talking to this, what, you know, this lobbying group, this. I mean, they're all over the place. Let's get real. They're all over the place. Well, and they need to refocus on what their primary mission is. Save souls.

[Steve Bannon]

We had the head of. I've got a clip. I haven't played it yet. Of the head of the Catholic bishops and, you know, the Catholic.

[Neil McCabe]

What?

[Steve Bannon]

Refugee, along with the Lutheran refugee. They're taking money hand over fist on this scam to let these refugees illegally in the country and then skim money off the top. The bishop just sits right there. He made a. He made a video about how he. They adamantly oppose President Trump's deportation plans. Really, you know, illegal. They call them undocumented. They're not undocumented. These people are illegal. Undocumented. It's like they didn't get their driver's license updated. That's not this at all. This is an illegal alien invasion. And the Catholic Charities has been one of the worst in exacerbating this. Let me go back, because there's all this debate now, is this a Christian nation or not a Christian nation? Your polling shows what, what percentage of people are Christians, and then what percentage of people are trying to have lived Christianity by regularly attending religious services or being part of a religious community or denomination? Yeah.

[Richard Baris]

So here's the. Here's the kicker. 80% overall say they believe in God. Of those people, 93% say that Jesus Christ was the son of God. Yet only about 40% or 45% will call themselves or identify with being Protestant or another denomination. And about 25, upwards of 30 sometimes will call themselves Catholic. So you have this gap, right, anywhere between 10, 15, sometimes even 20 points of people who don't want to identify with one of those traditional Christian denominations yet are saying they believe in God, so something is wrong. They want. And, and by the way, the vast majority of them think that Jesus was the son of God. So this is a church failure, you know, and you have the Catholic Church, who has never quite recovered from, you know, their scandal. Right. With, you know, children. We had that. But also, they're not only out of step with Americans on an issue like immigration. Real Clear Politics just did the Catholic voter poll, which showed they're out of step with their own congregation, with their own. With their own, you know, Catholic membership in America. Catholics have always been a bit of a thorn in the side for the Pope, right. In the papacy and Vatican. But they are overwhelmingly on Donald Trump's side and Republican side of this issue, while their leadership goes on and on about doing your Christian duty. Well, how many, how many illegal immigrants is the Vatican taken this year?

[Neil McCabe]

Right.

[Richard Baris]

Of course they're worried about preserving the value of their own citizenship. And their Identity is only 600 and something you know, citizens in the Vatican. Right. So, yeah, so are we. And they don't seem to care because why? Because it's money and it's big business. And then on the other side of that, on the Protestant side of that, Steve, these people are orphaned because the truth is mainstream and evangelical Protestantism really has not recovered in the eyes of the general public since the Jimmy Swaggart and the Hagee scandals. They view them as judgmental hypocrites. Let's just be real judgmental hypocrites who are more concerned about the politics of other nations than they are about the politics of their own. So these people are just walking around in the wilderness looking for God and there's nobody to tend to the flock. I mean that to, to that flock. And that's a shame. But it does highlight how God is just on the move, whether those leaders are there or not. And that's because people are searching for something. And I think there are fundamental truths that we've been missing in this society and people want to return to them.

[Steve Bannon]

You've been doing this for years. Just tell people how big a sample size. You walk through the big data. Walk through the big data process of deriving these numbers because the numbers may shock some people. How do you, how do you drive this?

[Richard Baris]

This is the biggest poll on real clear politics right now. It's almost 4,000 with 3,977 to be example, to be exact. And we have mixed modes way that. Ways that we reach people. And by mixed mode, there's different ways that you data collection mode that you can reach people. Some people are online opt in panels. Some people are phone and interview. Some people are text or text to online. We do it all, Steve. And the reason is. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna commit pollster heresy right now, but the truth is we don't all have, you know, landlines anymore. So the principles of randomization are not what they once were. So different groups responded different rates at, you know, or different groups respond to different modes at different rates. So we have to account for that. So the way around that and the way, or, or at least the way to counter that and the way to deal with lower response rates that we've seen as pulsers over the years is to increase your sample. All right, in this case, guys, sorry, bigger really is better and you have to collect larger samples to account for it.

[Steve Bannon]

Richard Barris, thank you. We're going to push, we're going to push this out. Where do people go to get the people's pundit wherever we are.

[Richard Baris]

Getter Truth Locals the best places. Locals peoplespundit.locals.com Merry Christmas, guys. All the best.

[Steve Bannon]

Merry Merry Christmas. Thank you for the poll, sir. I'm sure it'll be this discussed a lot around the Christmas table. Richard Barris, the Christmas poll does it every year. Short break. We're gonna come back at tage Gill, Neil McKay. We're gonna talk about the Supreme Court kind of a ruling against President Trump. Haven't had a lot of those federalizing the National Guard and sending them into places like Chicago to clean out that mess and protect ICE as they do the mass deportations. Six three court says that slow it down. Let's slow your roll. Mr. President, Mr. Commander in Chief. Short break.

[Rick Santelli]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, tomorrow for our Christmas Eve show, it will start 10 o' clock in the morning. We're going to be in Israel with Jason Jones. He'll be in Bethlehem at Manger Square and in Rome at the Vatican. Ben Hornwell will be at St. Peter's Square. And so we will go back and forth and talk to pilgrims and tourists and officials in both things. Gonna be great. Couldn't be more excited about it. I wanna thank Jason Jones and his team and Ben Harnwell, who is our team. I think he actually may be taking a cameraman. I wanna thank everybody for setting this up in Real America's Voice. Really looking forward to it. Don't miss tomorrow morning show. We're getting Neil McCabe's camera set. So I wanna go to Trevor Comstock. Trevor. When I was at amfest last week, folks coming up in the posse really love Sacred Human Health. They love what you guys are doing. They like it that all your products kind of are kind of handcrafted and you go out of your way to make sure they're very specially made and don't have any of the junk that's put in there by companies a little more corporate. What do you got for us today?

[Trevor Comstock]

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[Steve Bannon]

Fantastic. Where do people go? I want them to check. When they get a little downtime over the next couple days, I want them to go in and check, look at the products, look how they're made, look at the reviews, and then hit the contact button and get to you. So where do folks go?

[Trevor Comstock]

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[Steve Bannon]

Trevor Comstock, Merry Christmas. Thank you for coming on. And this goes to Boxing Day.

[Neil McCabe]

Yep.

[Trevor Comstock]

Merry Christmas.

[Steve Bannon]

Boxing Day show. Merry Christmas.

[Neil McCabe]

Thank you, brother.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay. The president has not lost many at the Supreme Court, particularly in his role as commander in chief.

[Neil McCabe]

Let's go.

[Steve Bannon]

We got a cold open for Neil McCabe and Tage. Also, Eric Teetzel is going to join us in the next hour. Discuss this. This is quite important, really. A first speed bump we've hit on this. Go ahead and play it.

[Fallon Gallagher]

The supreme court in a 6, 3 decision, has blocked the Trump administration from federalizing and deploying members of the National Guard in Illinois. Joining me now, Ms. now legal affairs reporter Fallon Gallagher. Fallon, what can you tell us about this decision? Yeah, Ariel, this is a significant loss for the Trump administration. The court had been weighing this bid since October. This is one of those cases that came through the emergency docket. The Trump administration had asked to allow the deployment and the federalization of the National Guard. And in Illinois now they've been sitting on it for a while, which caused us to speculate, maybe they were waiting to see whether this happened in another city and maybe there was a circuit split. But now they've decisively ruled against the Trump administration, saying that he cannot deploy or federalize the National Guard in Illinois. And I want to read very briefly from this ruling. They say that the government has not carried its burden to show that the statute permits the president to federalize the Guard in the exercise of inherent authority to protect the federal personnel and property in Illinois. We need not add and do not address the reviewability of findings made by the president under the statute or any other statute. The application is denied. This, I want to say, also appears to be 6:3, as with regular emergency docket applications, you don't have to get that breakdown of how the justices voted. We know that Gorsuch, Thomas and Alito all wrote dissenting opinions. So it appears that at 6, 3, it appears that Barrett and Roberts sided with the liberal justices here. But again, this is a massive blow for the Trump administration. So just for a second, speak about the possible wider implications of this ruling on the attempts to federalize the National Guard in other places in the country.

[Neil McCabe]

Yeah.

[Fallon Gallagher]

The Supreme Court has now set this precedent here that the Trump administration cannot federalize or deploy the National Guard under this specific statute. So this is a decisive victory or a decisive loss for the Trump administration.

[Steve Bannon]

Wow. Yeah. And maybe they waited till right before Christmas to put this out. Taj, I want to go to you first on just use the National Guard and what President Trump has done for law and order and also to protect ICE agents in federal buildings because, you know, we've shown it all the way from Portland and Seattle to Chicago. I mean, it's out of control, just practically. How are we going to get this done if you can't, if you can't federalize the National Guard and put him in there for support?

[Taj Gil]

Well, I think he's just going to have to surge more ICE agents to these high risk areas that, that they're contested in. Yeah, it's definitely, it's definitely not a good decision to come right before Christmas. And especially in a place like Chicago where they need the National Guard. You see what they did in Los Angeles, they definitely helped the National Guard there. So if the Supreme Court's going to block the National Guard, then I think, I don't know if this is legal, but federalizing the National Guard by deputizing them and giving them federal, federal credentials, I don't know if that'll work. But if that doesn't, then he's just going to have to surge in ICE agents from other areas until they get this cleaned up. And then he's just going to, he's going to have to shuffle around ICE and Homeland Security agents to reinforce each other in these high risk areas where they're actually contested by the local gangs and criminals.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, well, we haven't had time, but we could show Ben Burkwa has gotten amazing footage. And we just, I mean, as soon as, as soon as ICE guys come in with the vehicles, they're now totally surrounded by these protesters. They got the whistles, they're banging the, the gongs. I mean, and the ICE agents, I think, are very, you know, I think almost overly professional sometimes and not getting the crowds out of the way. But they've locked out. Forget mass deportations. You're kind of having a tough time getting the bad hombres out those onesies twosies that we were doing before. So this is a huge blow. I think, just practically, I know the President's gonna go back to the drawing.

[Taj Gil]

Board because I think they need to search some of the uniformed Border Patrol agents off the southern border to these high risk areas. And, you know, bring them in in armored vehicles and in their full uniform and full kit instead of rolling these guys in in civilian vehicles in their, you know, in, in their civilian clothes, I think it's, it's time to bring the armor in, bring full uniform Border Patrol agents in for short periods of time just to clean up these areas and then surge them back to the border and bring them back as needed in high risk areas where the ICE agents are actually contested.

[Steve Bannon]

So hang on for a second, I'll get. Neil McCabe joins us. Neil, let me throw. You're still, you're National Guard, correct?

[Neil McCabe]

Yeah, I just retired this month from the army reserve after 32 years of coast Guard and Army service.

[Steve Bannon]

So what does this mean by the President Trump? They've ruled against President Trump 6 to 3. And folks, if you're keeping score at home, Amy, Coney, Barrett and Roberts, that's correct. They sided with the progressive, the radical progressives on the court. So this is bad news.

[Neil McCabe]

We're supposed to have a 6, 3 majority, Steve. I mean, it's my understanding that Kavanaugh did a concurrent joining the majority. And so, you know, this is a bad dynamic on the Supreme Court, but it also, you know, it speaks to the actual, you know, essence of the republic. Right. If the NCO is the backbone of the army, the army is the backbone of the nation. And if you can't exercise control over the army, then what are we doing here? You know, the initial call up when Lincoln called up those first troops after Fort Sumner, that was what, 75,000. And that was all National Guard. They were state militiamen, but that was all National Guard that Lincoln was calling up. JFK called up 30,000 National Guardsmen in active duty for the troubles in Alabama and Mississippi. And so, you know, Eisenhower at Little Rock, Arkansas, and this wasn't national security, obviously, desegregation and civil rights is very important and we all cherish those goals. But it wasn't like the Chicoms were coming over the Hill. This was literally law enforcement actions escorting children into a school. And yet, I guess the rules are all different if it's a Republican.

[Steve Bannon]

Steve, let me ask you, it seems like with the ICE agents and even with Border Patrol like Tayshet coming up there, the evidence we've seen from now, 10 months of coverage of this with Ben Berkram, the great real America's Voice team, and it's getting more intense, is that it is physically impossible for ICE to actually do their jobs, to do mass deportations and even for law enforcement to kind of keep order. You saw this in D.C. i mean, what did they expect the president to do, Neil? Because I think you guys would tell him that, hey, unless you have the Army Reserve, unless you get the federalized, the National Guard, or get the Army Reserve in there, you're not going to be able to get control of these streets and particularly do the mass deportations.

[Neil McCabe]

Yeah, well, you also have the dynamic of the local law enforcement is under the control of the local democratic machines. And so the local law enforcement is slow rolling their response. They're participating with the protesters, they're coordinating with the protesters. And so, you know, literally these guys are being treated like they're an occupying force in foreign territory. And so, you know, you could obviously the ICE agents and the border patrol agents, you know, and the other. I understand Secret Service is also involved. You have Park Service being thrown in. These guys, frankly, are putting on full battle rattle and they're indistinguishable from soldiers. If you look at them, I mean, they're in helmets, they're in full kit. And so, you know, it's like, what are you gonna. It's six of one, half dozen of the other. So we have to. We have to dress up our police officers like soldiers, or we can just use soldiers. It's a very tricky thing. And obviously it's politically difficult, you know, for people who are dealing with Illinois and whatnot. But if the president cannot control the military, then what are we doing here? The party's over. You know, the judges have no role in the military. It just isn't in the Constitution. There's not a lot of nuance in commander in Chief. It seems pretty definite. And the idea that, you know, Jefferson Davis could have just filed for a restraining order against Lincoln. And the judge, some judge would have said, I'm sorry, Mr. Lincoln, you have to back off. And you can't. You can't go in. And that would be crazy.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Rick Santelli]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[Steve Bannon]

Neil McCabe, you were in the government for the first, I think 10 months or eight months of this second term. What would be your recommendation to the president about this situation?

[Neil McCabe]

Well, I think that the, it's my understanding that, that despite what the cold open said, that there is some wiggle room for the government to come back and to better explain itself to the Supreme Court. And so I think immediately, John Sauer, the Solicitor general, who's excellent, he and his team, they've had tremendous success with the Supreme Court. I was really surprised it didn't go their way. They just need to figure out how to do it and then just go back into the batting cage again and take a swing. Because I think the justices, especially even the three who betrayed us, that's supposed to be our 63 majority. I think those three understand that if you damage the presidency, no matter how much you might hate or resent or bitter about Trump, if you damage the presidency, then you're really taking the republic apart and it's basically going to break up into pieces. And this is something that we were worried about. If Trump lost or they certified that Harris was president. I fully expected the southeastern states, there's going to be an sec nation and they would just sort of, from Texas to Florida and up to Tennessee. Right. They would just sort of leave. And I think what we're seeing now with California and Illinois and certainly in Oregon and these other states, these guys are saying, hey, we're not in the federal government anymore. We're not part of the United States. We're just going to do whatever we want. In 24. We saw in Maine and Colorado where they said, we're not even going to put your candidate on our ballot. That's how much we hate you. And now they're saying our National Guard doesn't listen to you, doesn't take orders from you. Last time I checked, the federal government basically finances probably 85% of those national Guard units. I mean, those, those are army soldiers. Those are, you know, NCOs, those are officers. And they all took an oath to obey the President of the United States in the Constitution. So I don't know where we go from here, but definitely Sauer needs to go back to the Supreme Court and get this fixed.

[Steve Bannon]

Well, I think they took an oath to uphold the Constitution. I'm not sure they took an oath. I'm not sure it's in the oath.

[Neil McCabe]

I'm sorry. Let me just straight out the president upon their promotion. Upon their promotion. They when you make sergeant or lieutenant or you have to, you know, it's the president, United States and the officers appointed above you.

[Steve Bannon]

Yes. As commander in chief. Where do you go, Neil? Social media. Now that you're out of the government, you're going to have a bigger role in news and TV and all that. And social media. Where do people go?

[Neil McCabe]

I'm reopening my retail media career, Steve. No more black market media. I'm at reporter McCabe on all the socials. Getter Truth X all of them.

[Steve Bannon]

Neil, thanks for coming on, talking about the National Guard. Appreciate you.

[Neil McCabe]

Thank you, sir.

[Steve Bannon]

Teetzel's Eric Teachel is going to be in from cra. He's going to be in the second hour. I think Neil's hit on his thing. I think they gave him room to come back and refile. So we'll get Teetzel to break it all down. Taj, I need a cup of coffee. It's late in the afternoon, early evening. We still got another hour to go. I need to get jacked up. Where do I go?

[Taj Gil]

I got one more thing on the Border Patrol thing before we push the coffee. Here's a quick solution for you, Steve. This is, you know, when we used to deploy to these war zones, they always had all these crazy rules, and we figured out how to work around the rules. That's every time we go somewhere. So here's a quick workaround for that. So if you can't surge the Border Patrol to the cities, and I'm sorry, surge the National Guard to the cities, you surge the Border Patrol or surge the National Guard down to the border, have them backfill the Border Patrol, and then you send the Border Patrol agents up to Chicago. That way the border is still secure. You use your border, your National Guard down there where it's illegal to use them. And then you take the Border Patrol and you surge those guys up to Chicago in these hotspots and have them, you know, back up the ICE agents and send them up there with armored vehicles and all that. And if they want to do that in Chicago, that's fine because they can't stop the Border Patrol because they're part of Homeland Security and ICE and Border Patrol work together. So that's the easy solution. You just got to get creative in these situations because the liberals and the judges are always going to push back against Trump. So there you go.

[Steve Bannon]

Great solution. We're going to make sure that's in the hopper. Where do we go for I need, I need, still need my cup of coffee. Where do I go?

[Taj Gil]

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[Steve Bannon]

Taj Gil, One more time where they go to want to read all the reviews. You got 16,000 5 star reviews. Where do people go to see the reviews?

[Taj Gil]

You go to Warpath Coffee and you just click on the reviews and you can just scroll through reviews all day long that people love this coffee. It's the best coffee out there. We, we, we turn non coffee drinkers into coffee drinkers. We have people who say they can't drink coffee because they're stomach aches and this and that and they try our coffee and they become coffee drinkers. Is the best coffee out there. Warpath coffee. Make sure you use promo code war room. You get 25% off right now for Christmas.

[Steve Bannon]

Merry Christmas, sir. Thank you so much for joining us, Steve. Taj, Gil, they drink the coffee black the way it's supposed to be consumed. Catherine o', Neill, I'm a bifurcate this and do part of this in the, in the, in the next hour, but I got to ask you, Loomis has retired. She's burned out. She admits that Hageman is going to run for a seat out in Wyoming. You're the one of the biggest supporters of President Trump. You've been with us from the beginning. Are we going to make an announcement here today on the war Room right before Christmas Eve? Ma'. Am. Hi, Steve.

[Fallon Gallagher]

I think it's wishful thinking. I, you know, I appreciate everything that.

[Trevor Comstock]

Both and Representative Hageman have done for.

[Steve Bannon]

Wyoming, but I will be staying right here at Meriwether Farms and raising my kid.

[Fallon Gallagher]

I'm very happy where I am sorry for the let down.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay. You've, you've, that's okay. We need the animal spirits of entrepreneurs. That's okay. I knew when he went out west there's going to be a whole new deal as I told you it would be. Stick around for a second. Catherine o', Neill, one of the fiercest and earliest warriors in the MAGA movement with President Trump from the beginning. Now, the founder, CEO and chairman of Meriwether Farms. We're gonna take a short commercial breaker and leave you with the right stuff. Joe Allen, Catherine o', Neal, Eric Teitzel. Also, was it Chris Kirby? Chris Kirby. Peter Kirby. Peter Kirby. We're going to talk about geoengineering, a topic that is quite, quite, quite controversial. All next hour after a short commercial break in the war room.

[Neil McCabe]

Sam.