Episode 5027: WarRoom Saturday Special: The Patriot's History Of America cont.

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room, Episode 5027

“WarRoom Saturday Special: The Patriot's History Of America cont.”
Date: December 26, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Guest: Larry Schweikart (historian, author of “A Patriot’s History of the United States”)

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Overview:

This episode of War Room centers on the ongoing evolution and interpretation of American history, particularly as presented by Larry Schweikart in his landmark work, A Patriot's History of the United States, and his forthcoming updates. The conversation explores challenges in teaching and writing contemporary history, foundational principles of American society, historical ironies of the 21st century, the enduring impact of civic and Christian traditions, concerns over rapid technological change, and the rise of homeschooling as a vital educational movement.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Making and Updating of Patriot’s History

0:52, 01:39

• Schweikart discusses the genesis and ongoing updates to A Patriot’s History of the United States, noting a commitment to keep the work current, especially as major publishers lost interest in new editions.
• He has written two new chapters (23 and 24) covering 2018–2025 and makes them available for free to interested readers.

  “I decided, well, I'm going to write two more chapters that will bring everything up to 2025 and make them free available to anyone who emails me.” (01:39)

Historical Irony in the 21st Century

• The century is described as rich in irony: beginning with the “Y2K bug” and closing its first quarter with “the China virus.”
• Schweikart argues that while Obama was supposed to be the transformative president, it’s Trump who fundamentally altered the era.

  “Obama was supposed to be the transformative figure... Trump is the one that has transformed the first quarter of the 21st century.” (03:20)

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2. The Challenge of Writing Modern History

04:05, 04:49

• Bannon notes the difficulties inherent in chronicling contemporary history versus events already granted historical perspective.
• Schweikart explains the paradox: centuries past lack sources, but the modern era is overwhelmed with information, demanding historians apply the “law of significance” to discern what truly matters.

  “The challenge for writing history in the last 10 years is you're deluged with sources. You just have so many... So you have to apply the law of significance.” (05:56)

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3. Bias and Ideology in American History Education

04:49, 09:11

• Schweikart critiques the leftward skew of mainstream textbooks, citing persistent myths (e.g., railroads and government aid) and the minimization of America’s strengths.

• The book’s aim: offer an “unbiased” narrative and introduce the “four pillars” of American exceptionalism (Christian tradition, English common law, free-market capitalism, and belief in private property).

  Memorable quote:

  “We don't believe in my country right or wrong, but we do believe that my country is not always wrong, as almost all these other textbooks did. They dwelled on America's faults and minimized all of America's successes.” (10:15)

• Unique aspects of their approach include:

  • Balanced perspective on America’s faults and achievements
  • Economic history (Schweikart’s specialty)
  • Emphasis on religious and political traditions shaping uniquely American institutions

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4. The Foundational “Covenant” of American Identity

23:26, 25:11, 30:35

• A philosophical discussion on whether America is governed by a grand theory of history or by unique historical circumstances.

• Schweikart asserts U.S. exceptionalism, rooted not in cycles of empire but in a divine “covenant with God,” as symbolized in the Mayflower Compact.

  “I believe America has a special type of dispensation... American history is not typical of that of many other empires or nations.” (23:26)

• Bannon pushes further, having Schweikart restate:

  “You believe that the United States was founded in a compact between its beginning citizens and God. That was actually a covenant.” (24:56)
  Schweikart: “Yes, yes. The Mayflower Compact was not just a covenant with each other, but a covenant with God...” (25:11)

• The Compact’s three tenets: loyalty to the king, equality of all (including non-Puritans), and election of leaders—establishing foundational American values.

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5. Immigration, National Identity, and Social Change

32:15, 33:28

• Bannon and Schweikart examine how mass immigration, especially from non-Christian backgrounds, along with advances in communication (post-iPhone), has changed the nation’s spiritual and cultural fabric.

• Schweikart notes both the erosion and resilience of the Judeo-Christian underpinning—citing possibilities of revival but recognizing dramatic generational and cultural shifts, especially since 2000:

  “Gene Twenge... finds a massive generational gap right after the introduction of the iPhone, and just stratospheric increases in loneliness...” (34:07)

• Schweikart credits Trump as the only major political figure adept at navigating the contemporary communications and cultural landscape.

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6. Technology, the Singularity, and Institutional Crisis

35:15, 36:09, 39:25

• Bannon raises profound concerns about accelerating technological change—the “Singularity”—and its impact on human history.

• Schweikart speculates on AI futures (Skynet, Matrix, or enlightened self-limitation) and recognizes the structural inadequacy of current political institutions to keep pace.

  “Congress is on the verge of being structurally irrelevant. They're getting to the point where they cannot remotely move fast enough to deal with today's problems. And that's why Trump has issued so many executive orders.” (39:25)

• Further, he notes unresolved questions of resource needs (energy, water) that AI and technology will create—problems the current political class is unprepared to meet.

• Schweikart suggests the Democratic Party as currently structured may be “going extinct” given its failures to adapt.

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7. Homeschooling and Renewed Approaches to Education

44:42, 45:13

• Bannon highlights the homeschooling boom as traditional education faces crisis.

• Schweikart attributes his book’s popularity among homeschoolers to its patriotic and Christian-friendly perspective, lack of anti-American bias, and rich materials. He notes COVID lockdowns accelerated the trend.

  “I think we're the number one homeschool curriculum in history out there. I could be wrong, but I think we are. So it's become a giant market. It's almost quadrupled in the last three or four years.” (45:13)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Historical Irony:

  “For example, we start off with a virus, the Y2K bug, that turned out not to be anything because the business people took it seriously. And we pretty much end the first quarter century…with another bug, the China virus." (03:15 - Larry Schweikart)

• On American Exceptionalism:

  “This nation was built on a Christian, mostly Protestant religious tradition... So we had a great deal of, of practice in resisting government.” (10:55 - Larry Schweikart)

• On Technology’s Disruption:

  “Gene Twenge...finds a massive generational gap starting Right after the introduction of the iPhone, and just stratospheric increases in loneliness, in ideation of self-harm, in suicide, all that kind of stuff. So we have seen a shocking shift in the communication structure and the entire culture of communications since really the year 2000.” (34:07 - Larry Schweikart)

• On Institutional Obsolescence:

  “Congress is on the verge of being structurally irrelevant. They're getting to the point where they cannot remotely move fast enough to deal with today's problems.” (39:25 - Larry Schweikart)

• On Homeschooling’s Ascendance:

  “I think we're the number one homeschool curriculum in history out there... It's almost quadrupled in the last three or four years. Some estimates say there's 20 million homeschoolers out there right now.” (45:13 - Larry Schweikart)

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Timestamps for Segments

• Opening Theme & Introduction........................................[00:02–00:44]
• Discussion: New Chapters for Patriot’s History......................[00:52–04:05]
• Challenges of Writing Modern History & Textbook Bias...............[04:05–06:39]
• Impact and Reception of Patriot’s History..........................[06:39–09:11]
• Explaining the Book’s Unique Approach (4 Pillars, Economics)........[09:11–12:11]
• The 21st Century, Trump, and Historical Irony.....................[13:10–14:19]
• Grand Theory of History & The American “Covenant”..................[23:26–30:35]
• Mayflower Compact and Founding Principles..........................[25:11–28:03]
• Immigration, National Identity, Generational Shifts................[32:15–35:15]
• The Singularity, Technology, Institutional Breakdown...............[35:15–41:34]
• Homeschooling Boom & Curriculum....................................[44:42–46:44]
• Final Plugs, Closing Music.........................................[46:47–end]

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Resources & Further Information

• Larry Schweikart’s Website (Books, Curriculum, Videos):
  • wildworldofhistory.com
  • wildworldofpolitics.com
• Preorder Schweikart’s Next Book:
  • America in the 21st Century (releasing February 2026)
  • American Biography (June 2026)

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Tone and Style

The conversation is candid, combative at times, and rooted in a blend of populist patriotism, deep historical reflection, and unease about the pace of social and technological change. Bannon drives the interview with urgency and skepticism of mainstream narratives. Schweikart offers both scholarly and personal insights, maintaining accessible language and empathy, especially toward those feeling left behind by cultural shifts.

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Conclusion

This episode offers a sweeping look at the American past and present through the prism of patriotic history, highlighting how foundational beliefs, the rise of Trump-era populism, technological upheaval, and educational reform are shaping (and reshaping) national identity. Schweikart’s approach resonates especially with those seeking a clear-eyed, tradition-affirming account of the nation—one that addresses both achievements and failings but seeks above all to ground them in a deeper spiritual and philosophical covenant.

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Transcript

[A]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Christians not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[B]

And where do people like that go.

[A]

To share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.

[B]

I wish any of these people had a conscience.

[A]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

[B]

If that answer is to save my.

[A]

Country, this country will be saved.

[C]

War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[A]

Saturday the 27th of December, year of our Lord 2025. Larry Schweikart's my guest. Larry, you have a new book. Anytime that you come out with a new book, it's an event. You've got a new book that's coming out here in a month or two and you're the author of the famous Patriots History of the United States. You had a couple of additional editions that you wrote a book for War Room on the Patriots history of globalization. You've got so many irons in the fire and you understand Trump politics and MAGA as well as anybody. Talk to me about not just the new book, but the concept of it. Well, how did you come to this concept? And people are always fascinated about writers. You know, how long take you do the research? When do you stop researching and start writing?

[B]

We found after the last edition of Patriots History United States came out in 2018 that Sentinel was not interested in doing a 20th anniversary edition or updating it in any way. And I felt an obligation to our readers to keep the book current. It, it is in its 45th printing and just last week I think we sold 1700 copies. I mean it just continues to be a, a best selling book all the time. But since then I've been researching stuff in case I ever had another edition. And then last year I decided, well, I'm going to write two more chapters that will bring everything up to 2025 and make them free available to anyone who emails me. So if you're out there and you want the new Chapter 23 and the new Chapter 24 that go from 2018 to 2025, email me at [e-mail] and I'll send you the free copies. I think after they'll be in PDFs, not the whole book. I'll send it to three PDFs with the new stuff in it. And I think after we did our show on Thanksgiving, I probably sent out four or five hundred of those requests. So I had all this material that I'd been researching and I realized there's a lot of depth that needs to be developed here. And the 21st century in particular, I love historical irony. And the 21st century in Particular just seems to be rife with historical irony. For example, we start off with a virus, the Y2K bug, that turned out not to be anything because the business people took it seriously. And we pretty much end the first quarter century in 2020, 20 to 2021 with another bug, the China virus. Obama was supposed to be the transformative figure of the 21st century. He's not transformative at all. Trump is the one that has transformed the first quarter of the 21st century. So the book is full of historical irony. And, and I would say I researched it off and on for, I don't know, five or six years, just filing stuff away as it came to me. You know, this would be a neat story to tell, or this is an important thing. People need to understand.

[A]

And talk to me about the 21st century. As a historian, it's always tougher, I guess, because journalism's called. I think it was Time magazine that said they were the first draft of history. It's always harder to write it when you're in the moment than able to go back. Like for instance, when you did Patriots History, you. And is it Mike Allen? You guys had taught history for decades. In fact, one of the reasons you wrote the book is that you couldn't find, as you told me, you couldn't find, a history text that you thought was unbiased enough to actually explain the American experience to your students, that they were so biased, had become so left wing that you and your co author finally said, hey, I guess we're going to have to do this ourselves, right?

[B]

Exactly. Let me give you one of the quickest and easiest observations you can make on how biased these existing textbooks were. If you come to the post Civil War period, there is always a section in these textbooks on the building of the transcontinental railroads. Union Pacific, Central Pacific, later the Southern Pacific, Northern Pacific. And almost without exception, I've documented this in another book, My 48 Liberal Lines. But almost without exception, the established historians would come to a sentence where they would say almost this exact line. The transcontinental railroads never would have been built without government aid, which is simply a lie because James J. Hill built the Great Northern Railroad without a dime of government assistance. And it was a stronger, more powerful, profitable railroad than any of those built with government assistance. But that's just an example of where you can look to these existing textbooks and they don't just massage the truth. Often they just kind of destroy the truth. But you're absolutely right that teaching and writing modern history is incredibly difficult. Our challenge in writing the early parts of American history, Mike Allen and I, our challenge was to find enough sources or the right sources. The challenge for writing history in the last 10 years is you're deluged with sources. You just have so many sources. Look here, there. The information is out there in galaxy level amounts. So that becomes the most difficult problem. And you have to apply the law of significance. How many people does this affect over how much time? That's what makes it significant.

[A]

When you want me back, let's go back to the. Because the Patriots history and when I was in Danbury, I was teaching civics and you know, they have a library there. It's actually a pretty good library. Most of the books are in fact all the books are by prisoners or prisoners families. But they've got. It's a pretty, you know, it's a. I'm a voracious reader and it's a really great, A really great library. So when I was tapped to be a lecturer there or Teacher of Civics 1, the. One of the first things I did is, is go to the library and they didn't have a copy of the Patriot's history. So I think I ordered three. I kept one for myself and I put two into the library right away, of which people just devoured. But I needed that. I needed the book because you give such a good overview. So as I was getting in details about the Constitution, the Declaration and the structure of the government and these things that most of the prisoners had never really been taught or never had access to because they were quick learners. And I will tell you, Larry, they were absolutely fascinated by it. I could tell right then that the education system in this country has failed so much because most of the prisoners and most of the prisoners that took my course were African American or Hispanics. And they had a real thirst. They had a thirst. They want to understand the system as you and Alan. And I started thinking about the book a lot because I've read Patriot's History a couple of times when it first came out and then another time before I got into the Trump campaign, it was just happened, you know, getting caught up to speed. I think it was in the summer of 15, 16, 15, I think. And then during and when I was in prison, what was it that you and Mike Allen, as you sat there, I think you were at the University of Dayton at the time, correct?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And where was Mike at Dayton? Also where he was a professor. Where, where was he, where did he teach?

[B]

Mike was at the University of Washington, Tacoma. We met around 1990 at a Western historical convention, then didn't meet again in person until after the book had been out for almost a year. We wrote the whole book by phone and by email at that time. So that that in itself made it kind of, kind of interesting.

[A]

And by the way, the book is, correct me if I'm wrong, if it's not the best selling history book we've ever had. It's one of the top two or three best selling histories that have ever sold in the United States.

[B]

Well, of course, Zinn's book People's History is probably the best seller of trade books only because so many college classes picked up Zen book. However, I did learn that our book Zinn said this, that our book outsold his in his first 10 years versus our first 10 years, which is kind of interesting. Now once he got picked up by all of the college faculty, he began to take a lead over us. But Patriots History in the United States does very, very well for a 1000 page comprehensive textbook.

[A]

As you and Alan looked at the way American history was taught at the college level, what are the two or three things in your book that are different than most things? In other words, as you guys went back and said, look, we got to go do it ourselves and got to do all the research and write it because these couple of things are fundamentally wrong and lead students, particularly in those formative years, down the wrong path. What were they?

[B]

Okay, I'll give you three big ones. First one, as we say in our introduction, we don't believe in my country right or wrong, but we do believe that my country is not always wrong, as almost all these other textbooks did. They dwelled on America's faults and minimized all of America's successes. Number two, we introduced the four pillars of American exceptionalism. So when you go to teach government or civics, for example, the first two are really relevant. And that is this nation was built on a Christian, mostly Protestant religious tradition that emphasized individual church congregations or congregationalism. And the reason that's important is it it gave America a bottom up religious structure that emphasized and and worked hand in glove with the second pillar which is common law, which came over from England, which is a bottom up political structure. So we had a great deal of, of practice in resisting government. I mean, everything from guys burning down the governor's mansions and whatnot to calling out their own militias, you would never have seen that in Australia or Canada. And then the third real thing that we do in the book is that we look at everything. We look at America's faults and failures, but we also look at all of America's successes. And, and there is a great deal of political, military and economic history in Patriots history, because my degree was in banking and financial history. So I think you'll get a lot of economic analysis that is not in other books. Particularly good economic analysis. I'd like to think.

[A]

No, I want to make sure. I emphasize that when you read it is a, is a comprehensive history. It reads as a narrative story and you've got all the personalities and personages. But most time we read a history book, you can tell the professor is a political scientist or he's a professor of political history, so you get the politics with it so deeply. But as I can tell you, and I think Trump's the perfect example of that, unless you understand the economics and the underlying economic milieu and the forces, particularly the forces driving the economics and where it's taking you, it's very hard to understand the real meaning of politics. Besides just counting up who, what party was running and what were their issues and what was the outcomes. That's one of the reasons I love it. We got about a minute here and of course you're going to be with us the rest of the time. But in thinking through the book on the 21st century, how did you use, what framework did you use for this?

[B]

Well, as I said, I thought that there was a great deal of irony in so many of the accepted memes that we were seeing at the time, the accepted themes that Obama was the transformative president of the early 21st century, Bush committed us to a war. I'm convinced that if he had gone into Iraq, looked for WMDs after six or eight months ago, nope, they're not there. And just left that in fact, he probably would have ended up a much more popular president than he was. And then of course, you have this final third of the period, kind of the last eight years, where you had this struggle between the Trump populist forces and the forces of the elite, something that I think historian Richard Hofstadter would have loved, except he would have looked at it the wrong way. The elites now are all entirely on the side of not entirely, but mostly on the side of the Democrat Party. And the other groups, as we saw in the last election, are starting to move over onto the side of the MAGA movement and the populist movement.

[A]

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[A]

Larry. You know, you've got Toynbee and you have Hegel, you have all these historians that have these grand theories of even Thucydides, right? The Thucydides trap, the rising power and the declining power, you know, Arnold Toynbee, Hegel Carlisle, all of this. Do you have a theory? I've. People know I'm a big believer in the turnings. You know, we had the Revolution and then every 80 to 100 years, you had the Civil War, then the Great depression, World War II, and now, how do we call it, the Age of Trump? Do you have any? Because I've read your books and I can't discern if you think there's a grand theory of history or if you're simply the historians just sitting there going, I want to get the story right. So you have the facts in front of you and you can, you can think through great thoughts on your own theory. Sir?

[B]

Well, I believe history resembles itself but doesn't repeat itself. But I also believe the United States is special, that America was created, particularly in Plymouth, with the, the Mayflower group, that it was a covenant with God. And I believe America has a special type of dispensation. I know that's going to drive a whole bunch of people crazy and stuff, start pulling hair and so forth, but I don't think that American history is typical of that of many other empires or nations. That's why I really don't pay a whole lot of attention to people who say, well, we're like the Roman Empire. Well, but the Roman Empire was not started by God. God essentially set up a covenant with the United States, and I don't believe that he has allowed that covenant to lapse. Now, in light of that. Yeah, I think you have to tell the story that's in front of you, and when it's painful, you need to tell that, too. In my biography of President Reagan, I didn't hesitate to talk about his role that he led the charge in that immigration Act, Simpson, Mazzoli, that was so horrendous. It wasn't imposed on him from outside. He wasn't tricked into it. He started it in 1981 when he came into office. So I think you have to admit that there are these, you know, black spots or weak moments in various administrations and in various people. That doesn't take away from their.

[A]

But, okay, but hang on a second. I don't want to bury the lead here. Go back to the. You. You believe that the United States was founded in a compact between its beginning citizens and God. That was actually a covenant.

[B]

Yes, yes. The Mayflower compact was not just a covenant with each other, but a covenant with God, saying that we. We understand why we're here. You know, and Jonathan Edwards, or, I'm sorry, John Winthrop, comes over and says, we're a city set on a hill. We are here, here to be different, to look different. And, you know, when we get up to the concentration.

[A]

Hang on, because I want to explore that. Hang on. I want to explore this because I think it's very. A very fitting way for us to end the year. In the next couple segments, the Mayflower, they were a group of dissenters or outsiders. I mean, in. Even among. I don't know how to say this, like the Puritans or the people that were anti the Church of England, weren't they considered even too radical for them? And then they go to Holland and they're too radical there. These people have a tough time fitting in, and they don't have a problem with that. They know they're going to have a tough time fitting in because they believe their lives are dedicated to God. You don't need priests to do that. Their lives are dedicated to God. When they finally get here, they have. They've missed their mark. They're supposed to arrive in Virginia, and they arrive and the story is amazing. They arrive on the barren, you know, rocky coast of Massachusetts, which is being in native Virginian and having gone to Harvard, I tell you, the temperature is quite different, very different living style. They get there, they almost starve, but they make this compact and they decide to do it. They decide to do it right before they kind of go they've gone ashore to explore, but before they actually go ashore to actually do the settlement, because they've got a lot of people on board who are not dissenters or not part of their religious group. They've got, you know, some, some people just on for the ride. They're going to start. In fact, I think the majority of the people were there were not part of their group. I got a minute here and then I'm going to continue on the next segment. Is that basically the framework of the story when they sit down and say, hey, we have to have, we have to have some governing document that sets this up Exactly.

[B]

The Mayflower compact set up three major things. First of all, it said we're loyal to the king, we're not being disloyal. We got blown off course. We didn't mean to violate your will here. The second thing was the people we call strangers who are not puritans, they are equal to us in all political rights and therefore they are going to have an equal part in the polity of the country. And then the third thing was they needed to elect a leader and that in itself was was remarkable that that they elected their leader. There's that common law bottom up impetus right there off the bat that they believe that they and not the company in England were to select their own leader.

[A]

Larry Schweikart, I would say in my mind, particularly for the MAGA movement and for the populist nationalists, our greatest living historian and a fascinating guy and a guy who understands the nuts and bolts and the mechanics of modern, how do I call it, the grassroots politics short commercial break. We'll return with Larry in a moment.

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War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[A]

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[B]

Well, because I think the first thing that was on the puritans mind, all pilgrims are Puritans. The first thing that was on their mind was, what's my relationship to God? And so that infused every single thing. They did all of their laws, how all things were done. For a while in Massachusetts, they had sumptuary laws which said, we don't want people flaunting their wealth because even if you're wealthy, it's just not ethically right to kind of rub it in other people's faces. So they would go about their lives doing that. And it affected everything all the way through our history. For example, I'm sure you've heard this many times, the famous John Adams quotation that says that our system of government is meant for a holy religious people and won't work with anybody else. Except that's not true. The Constitution, in fact, was a document designed specifically for unholy and sinful people with every single check and balance and limitation you could possibly put on it, because the founders didn't trust people. It's quite the opposite of a government built for A holy people where you could trust everybody to do the right thing. And you get up into the Civil War era, for example, and you see people like Lewis Tappan, a devout Christian who's also a leader in the abolitionist movement because he believes that all men are and ought to be free, as Lincoln would say. So I think it infuses our entire culture for almost the first 200 years.

[A]

Is it today as you've seen it with, you know, we've had mass. One of the things we fight for here every day is a moratorium on immigration. At least a 10 year moratorium. I'm talking about legal immigration. There's got to be zero illegal. We want to take legal down for 10 years. Given that we've had since Reagan really predating it since Kennedy's bill, the immigration bill in 1964, which was catastrophic for this country. It had bigger impact in the civil rights legislation and the voting rights which everybody focuses on from that time. But this more fun, much more fundamentally changed the country than exacerbated by President Reagan. And really the advisors around President Reagan. I don't totally disagree with you, but he was fed a lot of bad information. He was fed a lot of bad information at the time. Given that is the mass immigration, has it been. Is it so changed the construct of the country? And I'm not just talking about race, but I'm talking about the understanding of the underpinnings of the spiritual side of the Judeo Christian west that we can't possibly be still in a covenant. Covenant. Was it an age of the Covenant, sir?

[B]

Yeah, it has definitely changed that, certainly especially as you get people from non Christian faiths, Muslims, a lot of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and so on and so forth. It's still lurking out there. And depending on who you read and what evidence you accept, there may or may not be a revival going on out there. Now, Ryan Berg, who's one of the best statisticians in following American religion right now, suggests there's a small revival growing. One of the things Mike Allen and I did in Patriots history was we're the only book out there to deal with the Azusa street revival in the early 1900s, to mention Billy Graham and Oral Roberts. I dare you to find Oral Roberts in any other book on American history. But what has also changed, Steve, is not just the immigration, but it has been the speed. I keep coming back to this, the speed with which our modern society moves. And Gene Twenge, who does a lot of research on generations, finds a massive generational gap starting Right after the introduction of the iPhone, and just stratospheric increases in loneliness, in ideation of self harm, in suicide, all that kind of stuff. So we have seen a shocking shift in the communication structure and the entire culture of communications since really the year 2000. And really only Donald Trump has figured out how to navigate those waters. That's why I keep saying he's so far ahead of all of these other guys, they don't even know what lake they are playing in, let alone trying to swim in it.

[A]

Are you concerned, particularly when you talk about technology and technological change accelerating at an accelerating rate? Are you concerned, like we are here at the war and we're pretty open about this concept called the Singularity. Not just about artificial intelligence, but the kind of the convergence of advanced chip design and quantum computing and CRISPR biotechnology, regenerative robotics and artificial general intelligence superintelligence, the conversion of that in this concept we call the Singularity, which on this side of that point is Homo sapiens, and on the the other side of that point is Homo sapien 2.0. Are you as concerned about that? And do you think that changes the entire. Is that, is that a line we're crossed, that everything beforehand? Larry Strike would say this is human history or Homo sapien history. Everything post that is Homo sapien 2.0 history.

[B]

Like, like Borg history. You know, I joke that there are three ways the AI thing can play out. One is Skynet. The computers can get so smart that they just nuke us. Number two is matrix. We could already be in it and you and I are just having a conversation meaningless because the machine's already controlling us. And then the third option that I don't see discussed very often is that the computers get so smart they realize they aren't God. And at that point they begin to self limit and self not destruct, but I don't know, self regulate to the point that they begin to understand that they are only servants of humans and not the master. Who knows where all this goes? One thing is sure. AI is here in various forms. It's accelerating it at light speed. Norway just changed its entire energy structure in order to accommodate Bill Gates, a $6 billion AI plant that's going to be built in Norway. And I think Trump gets AI. I think he's left everybody else in the dirt with understanding that AI is here, that the US has to control it, and that we have to be dominant in AI, not allow the ChiComs to dominate us with AI. And then what isn't being talked about Steve, and you can probably lead the way on this because you know so many more people. We have drastic energy needs that are going to come with AI. Hence, you see, yesterday, Truth merged with fusion. I forget what day that was. A few days ago, Truth merged with fusion. So you've got the first real investment in major fusion technology that may go somewhere because it's not relying on radioactive stuff, but boron. And then the other big, big issue that no one is talking about is water. You're going to have to have water to power all these massive data centers. A couple of states are already starting to look at. Well, you're going to have to be able to dig your own wells or whatnot before you can put in a data center. Who knows where that goes? But these are the issues that are now confronting the next quarter century here. And AI is right at the top, ethically, morally and economically.

[A]

Do you think that we don't have enough control of technology, that technological change? I mean, you just mentioned about the historian that's going back or the researchers done all this data and sees a clear line of demarcation. Because I've read his stuff, it's amazing. The clear line of demarcation in our recent past is really the promulgation of the iPhone. And you see all these problems, particularly with that young generation that had it. It's one of the reasons we're fighting for AI regulation so hard about how these companies and how the technology is going to interface with children. But do you believe, as a historian, that as you see this, that you're having a very tough time with institutions and structures that were really built for something closer to the closer to the writing of the Constitution than it is for the Homo sapien 2.0. Having an institutional problem coming to grips with this.

[B]

Yeah, you're absolutely right. And I'll just go back to what I was saying earlier about Congress. Congress is on the verge of being structurally irrelevant. They're getting to the point where they cannot remotely move fast enough to deal with today's problems. And that's why Trump has issued so many executive orders. And it's only going to continue because they can't even begin to get a hold with legislating what he's already put in place through executive orders. Now, the one concern that many people raised, well, what happens if we get a Democrat president, which I'm skeptical that's going to happen. I think this. Hang on. I think maybe the current Democrat Party is going extinct the way the Federalists and the Whigs were going extinct. People say, oh, that can't happen. But they don't understand. They're looking at it from the perspective it hasn't happened in their lifetime. But we have seen the Dixiecrats go extinct. We saw the Progressive Party of TR go extinct. And the Democrats as they are now structured are in deep doo doo, very serious straits because they are on the wrong side of all of these issues, but particularly AI because they cannot come to grips with the additional power needs of AI which they oppose because they're green, and the water needs of AI which they oppose because they don't want to have private companies setting up desalinization plants. So it's a big problem for the current Democrat Party and it's a big problem for Congress because I don't think the structures in Congress exist, and I'm including the Senate exist to even remotely keep up with what Trump is doing, let alone to fashion policy on their own.

[A]

Isn't that going to fall into the trap of the progressives that tell us the Constitution is a living document? And really, you know, the originalists and I guess the constructionists that say, no, it's the document means what the founders said it was. Can't you fall into that heresy where you try to change things because the.

[B]

Modern age, yeah, it is a problem. And as I would tell any congressman or senator listening, the way to fix it is get off your ass and do your job. Start passing legislation so that Trump doesn't have to issue an executive order so that everything doesn't come from him. Put his ideas into law and make yourselves relevant again. But it's going to be extremely difficult because as I said, you just look at Congress now and look at all the people that are resigning. I'm convinced they're resigning because they, they know they're irrelevant. Wow.

[A]

Short commercial break we're going to wrap up here on a Saturday with one of my favorite historians, Larry Schweiker. Next in the World.

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War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[A]

So Larry Sweichart's our guest. Larry, just let's go through the books you've got coming out. I want to cover some of them for pre order what your where your site is, how people get more information about you. You've obviously you're a big hit with this audience and we want to make sure we're trying to give people access to some of the best writers and thinkers of our time, particularly people that are aligned with maga. Sir.

[B]

Well, first of all, again, if you want the free chapters, the updated Chapters for Patriots History of the United States. Email me@larryildworld of history.com and we will send you PDFs of the new Chapter 23 and Chapter 24. Second, I have an incredible number of videos on all sorts of historical topics, from Napoleon to the Battle of Malta to the Crusades to Prohibition. On my Wild World of History website and my VIP subscription, you can get up to 60 hours of historical videos. There's Wild World of Politics. If you're more interested in politics than homeschooling and history, go over to the Wild World of Politics. I have a Today's News I put out three days a week out of the Wild World of Politics and a Commentary I usually put out three days a week. The newest book will be america in the 21st century, comes out in February and it's already doing nice in pre orders. But then I was talking with the same publisher about getting a book out for the 250th anniversary of the United States. And we will have a book out around Father's Day. I don't have a cover for you yet called American Biography, a look at America's history through the lives of between 97 and 100 prominent Americans who are linked to each other like six degrees of separation. It's really, really quite amazing writing this and that'll be available in June. So I'm touring next year through all sorts of homeschool conventions, making speeches around the country. Check my website Wild World of History and you can get the full schedule there.

[A]

I want to go the homeschool because now it's shown that the SATs, you know, are higher. And I know a number of people have gone from where the kids were never even in public schools, but they were in private schools. Then they went to kind of classical Christian that wasn't good enough. And they went to homeschooling. And they're really happy and only happy in the homeschool situation. And part of the reason they've got access to to great teaching materials from people like yourselves. Why is it that the homeschool community has kind of embraced you in your teaching of American history?

[B]

Well, first of all, I think as I said from the outset, we aren't anti American and we certainly aren't anti God patriots. History of the United States doesn't have a denominational perspective, but it does have a Christian perspective. And somebody reading that might not get it as well if you're not a Christian as those who are Christians. The homeschool movement was where we really started before Glenn Beck picked us up and it's just grown. I think we're the number one homeschool curriculum in history out there. I could be wrong, but I think we are. So it's become a giant market. It's almost quadrupled in the last three or four years. Some estimates say there's 20 million homeschoolers out there right now. And that of course was exacerbated or exploded by the COVID disaster with all the lockdowns. People saw what was happening in their public schools when they looked at their kids computers and saw what they were getting. And that drove a lot of people out of public schools and into private schools and homeschooling.

[A]

One more time, where do people go to your site to find everything about.

[B]

Your Larry www.wildworldofhistory.com or for the political side of you, wildworldofpolitics.com either one will get you to me.

[A]

Larry Swiker, thank you so much for spending the last Saturday show of the year of 2025 in the war room with us. Appreciate you brother.

[B]

Thanks, Steve.

[A]

Thank you. We're going to end our last Saturday show of the year with one of our favorite songs here in the Worm. Get thee Behind Me Satan from Billy Joe Shaver. Let's Let It Rip. We'll see you back here live on Monday morning.

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I looked into the mirror and I couldn't see myself the demons that were in me had turned me around side half I knew inside my soul I was headed straight for hell But I couldn't hold my life figure how to help myself and I said get deep behind me sick for I commanded in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth the year get behind me sin for I command it in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. The moon and stars were hidden by the shroud that clouded round I could see my loved ones weeping as they lowered me in the ground no words were spoken over me I almost thought I died Then I knew I wasn't dead I had been buried alive I said get deeper behind me Satan for I commanded the name of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth Here get deep behind me sitting for I'm commanded in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ I couldn't see my hand in front of my face I knew that I was buried in the deepest darkest place the deeds I had done put me in this awful place Then I felt a stir inside me and a smile came cross my face and I said get deep behind me Satan for I commanded in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Oh, I commanded in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Yeah, I see it still behind me. For I commanded it in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. In the name of the lord jesus christ. Amen. Amen. Amen.

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Brother.

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Sam.