Episode 5044: National Evolution In Iran; Hegseth To Strip Mark Kelly Of Military Rank

Summary

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Bannon’s War Room – Episode 5044

Date: January 5, 2026
Main Theme:
This episode centers on major geopolitical shifts following U.S. actions in Venezuela (including the arrest of Nicolas Maduro), the broader implications for hemispheric defense, the debate on regime change, and domestic political fallout, especially the scandal rocking Minnesota. Key guests include Erik Prince, Jack Posobiec, and Brian Kennedy providing deep analysis on these unfolding events.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Domestic Scandal: The Minnesota Earthquake

• Tim Walz’s Resignation:
  • Minnesota Governor Tim Walz announces he will not run again amid a spreading scandal relating to illegal daycare centers, which allegedly laundered $35 million to the Democrat Party (04:42 — Erik Prince).
  • Steve Bannon links the scandal to broader concerns about unchecked immigration and calls for a 10-year total moratorium on all forms of immigration, including student visas (00:54).
• Political Fallout:
  • Bannon and guests argue this represents a coordinated effort by Democrats to secure illegal voters via immigration schemes.
  • Jack Posobiec (38:59) highlights how Minneapolis has become a focal point for national controversies, suggesting “all our national stories, these national narratives seem to converge there.”

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2. Venezuela Regime Change and “Hemispheric Defense”

• Maduro’s Arrest and Aftermath:
  • U.S. extraction of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro is described as “the f*** around and find out principle” (13:49 — Erik Prince).
  • The regime’s structure is dissected — Maduro as a ‘useful idiot’ propped up by smarter, more ruthless figures like his wife Celia Flores, and other key players described as mobsters (06:07–06:56).
  • Trump’s stance is to avoid nation-building: prefers a combination of local pressure (like quarantining oil exports) and targeted action without large U.S. military presence (08:09–11:23).
  • “President Trump has definitely done the benevolent thing by removing Maduro. He’ll have the luxury of standing trial. He’s not gonna get…killed, but a lot of Cubans certainly died trying to defend him — underreported fact.” (06:56 — Erik Prince)
• Geoeconomic Stakes (Guyana & Oil):
  • Explanation of Venezuela’s and Guyana’s critical natural resources — if combined, could create an “energy superpower” (09:02–10:44).
  • Maduro attempted to seize Guyana’s oil-rich territory to boost Venezuela's global influence.
• Sanctions and Quarantine as Leverage:
  • Trump uses controls over Venezuela’s oil, gold, and narcotics exports as primary leverage points, including airspace restrictions (11:23).
  • “The three ways that Venezuelan government makes money right now is on tolling narcotics…gold…crude oil. If the President enforces a control mechanism over how much of that [gets out], that really affects their funding.” (11:23 — Erik Prince)
• Transition Outlook:
  • Guests debate who might emerge in place of Maduro, referencing Maria Corina Machado and Enrique Capriles as interim leaders.
  • Emphasis that Trump is NOT seeking to install a specific figure (“not installing Machado” — 33:56).

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3. Broader Geopolitics – Monroe Doctrine 2.0 / “Hemispheric Defense”

• Theory and Application:
  • Bannon highlights Trump’s new “Don Road Doctrine”—an America First update of the Monroe Doctrine, explicitly opposing foreign (esp. Russian, Chinese, Iranian) influence in the Western Hemisphere (18:42, 47:21).
  • Greenland’s geostrategic significance is explained: for control of the northern flank, mineral wealth, and as a bulwark against Russian submarines—Bannon suggests an Alaska/Louisiana-style acquisition (18:42).
  • “We’re not having any bad hombres in our hemisphere anymore. I’m cleaning up this mess.” (18:42 — Bannon)
  • Brian Kennedy distinguishes “America First” realism from neoconservative democracy-promotion: U.S. interventions should secure U.S. safety, not nation-build abroad (47:21–51:19).
  • “Whatever is nearest is dearest…this is our hemisphere, within 30 minutes reach of the United States.” (49:00 — Brian Kennedy)

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4. Iran: Natural Evolution or Foreign Interdiction?

• Civil Unrest in Tehran:
  • With economic collapse pressuring Iran’s regime, Bannon and Prince discuss the massive internal opposition to the mullahs and options for U.S. response.
  • Erik Prince cautions that while grassroot protests are encouraging, the regime is likely to suppress revolt unless oil revenues are cut off (21:55–23:07).
  • Prince advocates for covert support of Iranian dissidents, both to create momentum and to make the regime’s grip seem less inevitable (21:55).
  • “The regime will kill its way to success…as long as they can continue to sell their oil. They have a customer: China” (21:55 — Prince).
  • Bannon calls for cutting off Iranian oil sales to China as a strategy to undermine the regime (23:39).

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5. Ongoing Fallout & Notable Developments

• Venezuela:
  • Reports that Venezuelan authorities are seeking to arrest those involved in aiding the U.S. operation—likely as a test of U.S. resolve post-Maduro (24:34).
  • Switzerland freezes assets associated with Maduro’s regime—a symbolic step, with much of the regime’s wealth likely in Russia, Turkey, or the Gulf (25:12).
• Senator Mark Kelly’s Military Status:
  • Pete Hegseth, as Secretary of the Navy, pushes for censure and possible court-martial of Senator Mark Kelly for alleged subversive behavior while in office.
  • “It is very dangerous for the over-politicization of our officer corps…Letting military officers be military professionals, fantastic. If they want to take their uniform off and retire, do that but don’t elicit subversion.” (27:00 — Erik Prince)
• Ukraine & Paris Meetings:
  • Jack Posobiec discusses upcoming U.S.-brokered talks between Israel and Syria, set for Paris, with Kushner and Witkoff involved, as well as ongoing shifts in Ukraine’s leadership (34:41–37:28).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On U.S. leverage in Venezuela:
  • “It was the f*** around and find out principle, and Maduro found out exactly what that feels like.” (13:49 — Erik Prince)
• On the “useful idiot” figure of Maduro:
  • “She kind of selected him and made sure he was there because he’s the bus driver, right? He was Ralph Kramden. And she’s calling the shots.” (05:37 — Steve Bannon)
  • “He really was the useful idiot. And now he’s going to spend the rest of his life in prison.” (06:07 — Erik Prince)
• On America First vs. Neoconservatism:
  • “The America First view is we need to make sure that the world behaves itself so that the United States is secure and free and tranquil and prosperous.” (47:21 — Brian Kennedy)
• On Minneapolis as a ‘convergence site’:
  • “There’s something going on in Minneapolis that for some reason all of our national stories…converge there.” (38:59 — Jack Posobiec)
• On cutting off oil to Iran:
  • “Let’s just, let’s see how the mullahs do with no incoming cash. Right. We can do that easy and see what the people think.” (23:39 — Steve Bannon)
• On hemispheric defense:
  • “We’re not having any bad hombres in our hemisphere anymore. I’m cleaning up this mess.” (18:42 — Steve Bannon)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:54: “There’s a lot going on… President Trump’s on a roll… complete scandal that’s spreading state to state” — Steve Bannon.
• 04:42: Erik Prince explains the Minnesota daycare/immigration scandal and links it to Democrat fundraising.
• 08:09–11:23: Venezuela’s resource war and the U.S. economic quarantine approach to regime leverage.
• 13:49: “F*** around and find out” moment for Maduro — Erik Prince.
• 18:42: Bannon introduces and details Trump's “Don Road Doctrine” and Greenland strategy.
• 21:55–23:07: Prince details the precarious prospects for regime change in Iran without cutting oil revenues.
• 24:34: Venezuelan regime reacts to U.S. actions post-Maduro.
• 27:00: Erik Prince on Mark Kelly’s censure and dangers of politicized officer corps.
• 33:56–35:59: Jack Posobiec on Venezuela’s transition — “not installing Machado,” and broader regime change cases.
• 38:59: Minneapolis as a focal point of U.S. scandals — Jack Posobiec.
• 47:21–51:19: Brian Kennedy explains America First logic on hemispheric defense and Monroe Doctrine update.

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Summary Flow & Tone

The discussion is urgent, combative, and highly strategic, blending MAGA-centric populism with realpolitik debate. Bannon and guests provide both granular and big-picture analysis, jumping between U.S. domestic fallout (Minnesota, Mark Kelly) and grand strategy (Venezuela, Iran, Greenland). The rhetoric is unapologetic, often militaristic—underscoring a sense of crisis, momentum, and historical turning point.

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For Further Information

• Erik Prince: @realEricDPrince — X (Twitter)
• Jack Posobiec: @JackPosobiec — X (Twitter); Human Events Daily podcast.
• Brian Kennedy: presentdangerchina.org; @BrianTKennedy1 — X (Twitter).

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Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. You're just not going to free shot.

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All these networks lying about the people.

[Steve Bannon]

The people have had a belly full of it.

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I know you don't like hearing that.

[Steve Bannon]

I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but.

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You'Re not going to stop it.

[Steve Bannon]

It's going to happen.

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And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

[Erik Prince]

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.

[Steve Bannon]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and.

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What is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Jack Posobiec]

War room, here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

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Okay, welcome back.

[Steve Bannon]

Monday, the 5th of January of our Lord 2026. One of the engine room was saying, hey, there's so many plots going on, it's getting confused. There's a lot going on. Geostrategically, geopolitically, geoeconomically, hemispheric defense. President Trump's on a roll. The United States military, magnificent and what it accomplished over the weekend, but also an earthquake out of Minnesota as we've been kind of driving that to focus here. And you've got this complete scandal that's spreading state to state. President Trump did come out last night on the way back from Mar a Lago, he gave one of those open press avails on Air Force One and he said, I think he said he's cutting off money to Illinois, California, all these big blue Democratic states where they're fighting him on bringing in ICE agents and federalizing the National Guard where there's a constant fight. He's going, hey, about these scandals, the Somalian scandal, I'm cutting off the money. You're not getting any daycare. You're not gonna get any of this crap until I can, until you can show me that is not being spent on just the invasion of this country with a bunch of illegal. Whether they're asylum seekers or migrants, you call them anything they want, they're illegal. As every one of these programs is scammed. That's why here in the war room, we have called for a 10 year moratorium, 10 years on all underlying, all including student visas, all a moratorium on any type of immigration in this country. It is so screwed up and such a scam of what we're funding our own demise, our own destruction and the destruction of working class men. Whether you're Hispanic, black or white. It's got to stop. And the way to Stop it. Is cut off the money and cut off the access and then do away with things immediately like the H1B programs. No need for a moratorium there. So a lot going on. I want to bring in Erik Prince Eric. So Walls resigned. Walls is not running again. That's an earthquake. They think they're going to throw a clobber in there and cauterize the wound. That's not going to happen. This thing in Minnesota is spreading like a. Like a disease. You've got Maduro at 12 noon. Walls is going to. And this is the tale of two cities. You're going to have Minneapolis and Walls basically saying, I'm essentially resigning. I'm not going to run for a third term. And they're going to turf him out here as quickly as possible as a governor because he's going to be having to spend time on his criminal defense. And then you've got lower Manhattan. Caracas, Lower Manhattan, where you brought in Maduro. And I keep saying, look, Maduro's a guy. And I realized, you know, he hit Trump's tripwire. As, you know, negotiations been going on a long time with this guy to figure out something. And he's a bus driver. It's not like this guy's not Chavez, right? This guy's a bus driver who's a union guy. I mean, the bad hombres, as you've identified around him are also, you know, I think if you're going to clean this mess up, you're going to have to do something with them. But talk to me about. So last time we left you on Saturday morning, you said, hey, this is, you know, a great extraction, but, you know, we can't do a nation building, right. I don't want to. I don't want to see us. We can't have any troops on the ground. No boots on the ground. President afterwards said, hey, I'm thinking about boots. We got to do it. We got to do it. The VP is going to work with us. She said no. Then President Trump says, well, she's going to say yes. She has said yes. Now she's coming out and saying, hey, I understand what they're doing. They're. They're putting pressure. The president's already called for a quarantine of any of the oil going out. And now you've got. And now you've got some more of the bad hombres there. They're not letting people go out in the streets. They're restricting access, et cetera. Talk to me about the current situation. You had kind of warned, hey, taking this guy out's great. You got to take some more out. But you don't want to get too involved in this thing because it could get messy, sir.

[Erik Prince]

Well, and that's just to close the thought on the Minnesota debacle. That was a money laundering operation. Those illegal daycare centers provided $35 million of funding to the Democrat Party. So of course they want to cover it up. Of course they want to flood the area with more illegals because they become their reliable illegal voters. Now, to Venezuela, as I said, there is a criminal gang. It's not just Maduro. Celia Flores, his wife, who was also arrested and indicted. She was Chavez's lawyer. She's the one that picked her reliable husband to be the next ruler after Chavez was taken out by cancer. So, yes, the cut has to go deeper. At least now when Trump negotiates with the other remaining parties, the Delsey, the Jorge Rodriguez, the Diaz, Donna Cabello.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on, you bring up an interesting topic. You bring up an interesting. Hang on, you bring up an interesting topic because Chavez was not exactly a Rhodes scholar, right? But he was one of those kind of Castro type personalities. She's a little bit the brains. She was the Attorney General. I think she's the brains. Remember, she and Maduro didn't get married for 25 years or something. She kind of selected him and made sure he was there because he's the bus driver, right? He was Ralph Kramden. And she's calling the shots. And.

[Erik Prince]

It was not even selected, not even selected for breeding stock because she had two sons that were major, major criminal drug traffickers already. They'd already been arrested once, and they got, they got released in a swap. So, yes, he really was the useful idiot. And now he's going to spend the rest of his life in prison.

[Steve Bannon]

Well, hold it. And then you've got the vice president who's in charge. Her family is, they're, they're like a mo. They're like a, a, A Venezuelan mob family. Even before Chavez came up and the Socialists and the communists, they were a mob family from the beginning. I mean, she's tough as boot leather. This girl comes. This girl's like Tony Soprano's daughter, right?

[Erik Prince]

That's correct.

[Steve Bannon]

So President Trump's. I mean, he's not working with any beauties down there, as he would say, right?

[Erik Prince]

No, that is correct. Her brother Jorge and Delsey, their father was a career murdering, kidnapping, extortionist, gangster, as you described. And so that perhaps runs in the family, in the family bloodline. So but at least they should be of a mind that they saw what happened to Maduro and maybe they're not going to get arrested next time. Maybe they're just getting a JDAM in their house. So again, President Trump has definitely done the benevolent thing by removing Maduro. He'll have the luxury of standing trial. He's not going to get. He wasn't killed, but a lot of Cubans certainly died trying to defend him under reported fact. But hopefully those folks decide to do the right thing and run either an honest election or do an interim government, whether it's Maria Karina Machado or Enrique Capriles. That's the guy that won the previous election that was also stolen by, by Maduro. That's how you get to a better interim transition government to bring some sanity back to Venezuela.

[Steve Bannon]

Well, and her father, you know, when you say extortioners, he made his money. I think kidnapping American oil executives was part of his, part of his business. These people are, it's a very dangerous crew down there. These are not good government types. They also, though Maduro and his henchmen had a geo, they're not dumb, okay? They had a geostrategic plan to become a world power. And that just wasn't on the biggest reserves or the second or third biggest reserves in the world, depending on how you calculated. But they looked at their next door neighbor, Guyana, and they realized with the military intrusion down there, when you got people like Biden and Obama and these people that are very passive, a military intrusion into Guyana. If you get Guyana's reserves or even part of them and put them with the reserves of Venezuela, you have a superpower, do you not, sir?

[Erik Prince]

Yes. So the fastest economy growing in the world last year was Guyana because of the Starbrook formation, which is a massive offshore gas, oil and gas discovery made by Exxon. They went into production and obviously Ghana's economy really exploded. Then to distract from the corruption, incompetence and socialism of the Maduro government, Maduro trotted out a 130-year-old border dispute which had been settled 130 years ago on an area called Essequibo area, which is about 30% of the land mass of Guyana that suddenly Venezuela claimed again, that's where all the oil was. And they started rattling their sailors and putting special forces across the border and all the rest. It would have actually seizing. That would have grown the Venezuelan economy by more than a third. It would have truly made them an energy superpower. Already Venezuela has more proven reserves than any place on Earth. Add to that, the starboard formation and the other extensions from that, it would be truly extraordinary. Venezuela has unbelievable natural resources. Much of it is still unexplored. There's a reason they called it El Dorado, the city of gold. Under better, even semi sane leadership, the country will be enormously more wealthy and peaceful and not be seeking to export millions of people to its neighbors. I'm just in Europe now and you see little spontaneous demonstrations of people wrapped in Venezuelan flags or Venezuelans living in various European cities celebrating what Trump did last Saturday.

[Steve Bannon]

What you, you've kind of had this construct and you came on the show a number of times, said, hey, put a bounty on him and you can extract him. But you also said in broader's geostrategic, one of the ways you can get leverage here is quarantining the ghost fleet or wherever the ships are coming out. President Trump has basically said this. They're not going to go in and actively, as of right now, step in and run the thing. Although he is going to use his leverage to, quote, unquote, run it. Just explain to the audience what that means. What does it mean to have a quarantine here and to use that quarantine as leverage to make sure that Delsey and the rest of that mob does what President Trump wants without putting boots on the ground of American troops.

[Erik Prince]

The three ways that Venezuelan government makes money right now is on tolling narcotics coming out of the rest of Latin America, particularly cocaine and some fentanyl and method to gold, which is largely flown to Turkey and to other Middle Eastern refineries and of course, crude oil. So if the President enforces a control mechanism over how much of that gold gets, how much of the oil gets produced and shipped, that really affects their funding. And he's effectively done that. When he shut the airspace, it also shut down their ability to ship, to airship that gold. So he's taken a lot of steps already to have a better control in that economy. Remember the Padrino, the Minister of Defense, Diesel Cabello, the Minister of Interior already have multi, multi million dollar bounties on their heads for murder, narcotics trafficking, all sorts of bad charges. So the President also has a means to escalate by saying, ah, okay, instead of the bounty being 25 or 15 million dollars for information leading to the arrest of Diastado Cabello, he could just say, dies Cabello, dead or alive, $15 million. And now a lot of people around them will see them as a payday and a retirement path if they bring him into whatever US Official will issue them the check. It's a very, it's a instant way for Trump to change the internal calculation that those people would be using.

[Steve Bannon]

An incentive program. You mentioned Gold and President Trump and there's more reporting now. He did try to work with these people and said, hey, I want this to happen quickly, I want it to happen with very little American involvement. Let's figure out a deal. But all the deals, including for his henchmen, they had to leave the country. He would not buy off my understanding on internal exile because that would be like them not leaving. Part of that was an option to actually go to Turkey. And the reason for that is the relationship that Maduro and his senior, his colleagues, his cabal have with the Turkish government. Erdogan around gold, but they turned that down. Is that your understanding? They turned down every option that President Trump gave him to demand to stay in the country. Yeah.

[Erik Prince]

And I just don't think they, I don't think they figured Trump had the cojones to do something about it. And he certainly showed that he has the cojones. And you know, it was a, it was the f around and Maduro found out exactly what that, what that feels like.

[Steve Bannon]

Eric, can you hang on one second? I just want to keep you for a couple minutes on the other side because there's so much else going on. President Trump pretty adamant to say, hey, look, this about hemispheric defense and I want Greenland. I got to have Greenland because Greenland is going to cut off the Russian submarines and I can assure American security. The Danes ain't happy. President Trump also talking about Colombia, Cuba and once again talking about Tehran. We're going to get into all of it. We got Erik Prince, we got Brian Kennedy. Hoso is going to join us in a moment, I think, with some updates on this. Pete Hegseth about Mark Senator Mark Kelly Short Commercial break the Tale of Two Cities a Day Minneapolis and Caracas Slash Manhattan Here in the War room.

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[Erik Prince]

Well, it's much bigger than it even looks on maps when people look at it because of the Mercator projection, it is unbelievably laden with significant mineral value and it is part of our northern flank. And as the Arctic Sea becomes more navigable and there's more transits, it becomes super relevant for global shipping. Right now it's effectively a protectorate of Denmark. The Danes pay the bill for all the defense, even though we pay largely the bill for all of Denmark's defense. In Europe there's I think 29 or less than 50,000 people total that live in Greenland. I think if you open it up to a vote for them, they would vote to become American citizens and to open and make it a protectorate like Puerto Rico. I think even what Trump offered them was that if we did that, Greenland would still get a 50% carry on any mineral value extracted. So they get none of the costs they have to bear. And 50% of the upside with American naval protection and all the American capital markets plowing capital into develop the various completely uninhabited parts of Greenland for the betterment of, of Greenland citizens. So it to me it makes sense. There will be some Danish nationalists or just some Danish socialists that will not like that idea. But those are to be negotiated. Remember, America grew mostly by acquisition by paying money for land. Whether it's Alaska, which was called Seward's Folly. And again that Secretary of State was, well, they call it Seward's Folly. I think we ended up paying 2 or 3 cents per acre for all of Alaska. The Louisiana Purchase Purchase from Napoleon weakened at the end of Napoleonic the French Revolution. He was, yeah, we, we bought land and this is another opportunity to do something similar.

[Steve Bannon]

Seward is a genius. He was Lincoln's right hand man. Lincoln Seward didn't think much of him when he won the presidency, but became as big as Samara Seward. Was a giant in American history. I want to ask you quickly about Tehran. And then I got two breaking news items. One from Switzerland, one from Caracas, both of them about Venezuela. And I got poso on deck and Brian Kennedy, Tehran. This thing's expanding because of the economic collapse of the mullahs. And we haven't cut them off from oil yet, which we've been advocating here for years. But now the word is, you know, the IDF just can't. Mossad can't help themselves. IDF can't help themselves. There's all this discussion about the Israelis want to go in and stir up pot. Wouldn't that be the dumbest thing possible now that you got the Persian people up in arms against the mullahs? Just let nature take its course. They showed in 79. They got a pretty good, you know, when they, they're fed up with something and they're talking about putting the Shah's son right. And if you've ever, ever studied the original revolution, it's not that the Shah in this crowd had a great run. Okay, your thoughts on that, Erik Prince, the natural evolution of what's happening in Tehran versus foreign interdiction.

[Erik Prince]

I am not in favor of, of the mullahs in Iran. I'm on their hit list yet. But the problem is, yes, it's great that the people are in the streets protesting. The sad thing is that regime will kill its way to success, meaning they will kill as many protesters as they need. As long as they can continue to sell their oil. They have a customer, China will buy their crude. That will keep the regime alive. There is a surprising amount of military technology there. Their shahed drone, a long range, effectively cruise missile drone. They've sold a lot of those, thousands and thousands of those to Russia as part of the Ukraine war. I've long advocated that covert action enabling the Iranian people to rise up and just clip enough of the regime to take away its inevitability is the way to bring that house of cards down. I don't know that anyone has done the work to build that preparation in the field with a few hundred, a few thousand Iranian dissidents to do that. But until you can chop away the irgc, the goods force, mois forces, it's.

[Brian Kennedy]

Going to be bad.

[Steve Bannon]

I deserve this. Why did I ask the world's top mercenary that question? But we'll get back, we'll do that on another day. So you're for that? Okay, I got it, I got it. You got to chop away a couple of the heads.

[Erik Prince]

I'm not Look, I'm not, I'm not in favor of us having to send people, but unless people. Look, when American, when American patriots decided to be independent from the uk it wasn't just American patriots that got it done. I got it right. You had France. France.

[Steve Bannon]

Would you not advocate those. Should we not try? Should we not try? One of the options is let's cut off the oil to the Chinese Communist Party. I think it's part of the play in Venezuela. They're not getting any more. All the President Trump says we'll give him access. I think that's getting cut off. Kennedy's going to talk about that in a second. The is, isn't the play here. At least the next part of the play is. Let's just, let's see how the moodles do with no incoming cash. Right. We can do that easy and see.

[Erik Prince]

What the people think.

[Steve Bannon]

Hey, I'll get back to you on the. I, I want to get these two news items. The two news items are Reuters is reporting. Eric, breaking from Caracas. Venezuelan authorities have ordered police to find and arrest anyone involved in supporting the US Attack. Do you think they're just doing that for, for PR or do you think they're going against President Trump's wishes and desires and actually going after people that assisted the military in the extraction process?

[Erik Prince]

I have no doubt that, that the gangster class that still remains in Venezuela will definitely test the wire and see if it's electrified or not. So, you know, having done one on Saturday, there might need to be two or three more done remotely for people to get the full memo of what is expected from them by the United States.

[Brian Kennedy]

Wow.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay. Last thing was Switzerland's just announced, the Swiss government's announced they have frozen all assets related to anybody associated with Maduro or his government. How big a deal is that?

[Erik Prince]

Sir, that's, I don't know that Switzerland was harboring many of those resources. I think a lot of that money was in Russia and in Turkey and in the Gulf. But great. If Switzerland wants to get ahead of that, there's an enormous asset recovery effort to be done in searching out because it was focus, it should have been the most per capita the wealthiest country in the Western hemisphere, but has been looted systematically for the last 30 years. So there's a lot of wealth to be tracked and recovered.

[Steve Bannon]

Erik Prince, where can people get you, Sir.

[Erik Prince]

I am on X at real Eric D. Prince. And they should also check out an unplugged phone because if they're serious about communication security, if they're serious about Communication security. You can buy [e-mail] war room we designed this phone to protect your digital survivor, your digital sovereignty to protect your first and your fourth amendment rights of the Constitution, free speech and against illegal searches. Control your data especially in an era of AI.

[Steve Bannon]

They've, they've just sent a letter of censure to Mark Kelly and Pete Hegseth is designated the Secretary of the Navy to look into every alternative of how to basically effectuate that that censure I assume including calling back to active duty. Do you believe that Kelly should be called back? He's a captain and they probably is going to get busted down. But do you believe he should be called back and tried in a court martial? Sir.

[Erik Prince]

It is very dangerous for the over politicization of our officer corps in the Civil War. It was super political. It was ridiculous. I think it's one of the things that contributed to a civil war and so letting military officers be military professionals, fantastic. If they want to take their uniform off and retire, do that but don't elicit subversion like he and the other clutch of Democrats were trying to do by, by, by what they did, claiming it was don't follow legal orders yet they couldn't identify one specific order that was illegal.

[Steve Bannon]

Erik Prince, thank you for taking time away from your busy schedule overseas to join. I appreciate you, sir and I will, I promise I'll have you back on and we'll discuss Tehran in the mullahs.

[Erik Prince]

I wish them, I wish them, I wish that. I wish the Iranian people peace and freedom by any means.

[Steve Bannon]

Peace and freedom. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you, sir. Brian Kennedy, Jack Posobic, Oscar Blue Ramirez. The Tale of Two Cities. Today, Minneapolis Waltz is throwing in the towel because he's got to spend time on his criminal defense just like Maduro's got to do in southern Manhattan in federal court. All of that at noon today.

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[Jack Posobiec]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

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[Jack Posobiec]

Well, Steve, this is exactly what you and I were talking about over the Christmas New year's break. Those 15,000 UF sailors, the flotilla that is off the coast of Venezuela right now, the pressure that's being put on the regime obviously now of course with the stunning events of the last weekend now coming into focus. And you look at look, you know, my own personal feelings are of course I fully support the policy of black bagging communists and taking them to Guantanamo Bay. And in fact I have a list if anyone would like to check it out. But when it comes down to it, when it it always comes. And if you go back and look at the Human events series that we ran last week, regime change, tales of regime change. We talk about Iraq, we talk about Afghanistan, we talk about Ukraine 2014, we talk about Syria. The question always comes what comes next? Now Venezuela is different situation. Secretary of State Rubio pointed that out. This is very different country than someplace over in the Middle East. It's a very different set of characters. It's a very separate cast. And Steve, what did I say here on the show on Saturday? I said is this a full on regime change or are they just taking out one guy? And it appears to be that that's what the president and Marco Rubio said afterwards because the president said we are not installing Machado. He was very clear about that. Cold water all over it. And then Rubio coming out and saying that he was having discussions with the vice president of Venezuela who had been sort of this henchwoman for Maduro. But of course she's off there. Kind of looks like she's going into business for herself as it is. So again we will see what comes next.

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[Steve Bannon]

In the I had Eric on here about this whole situation in Tehran, the spontaneous self organizing demonstration at the mullahs and we're still letting the Chinese Communist Party get oil, monetize it. Now there's reports out of Paris that the Israel's Israel is going to actually in discussions now with Syria about actually reaching some sort of rapprochement. You just informed me that it's Witkoff and Kushner that are putting this together. And they just announced, I guess Zelensky is going to go over there because Orban said this morning, no Budapest meeting, because there's nothing really to talk about now. Putin's not going to come, Trump's not going to come. I thought this might happen right after Davos, and my understanding is the president's going to Davos, so a lot of these things can come together. What do you know about this Paris situation, sir?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes, Steve. So Davos is still a couple of weeks away, but that is obviously going to be a big summit that's coming up. I'm sure the President will be there, as well as key members of his cabinet, what we're hearing. That's right. So tomorrow in Paris, or really all this week is going to be meetings between the Syrians, the Israelis, brokered by the United States. Wyckoff, Kushner will be there. Then you're also going to see on the sidelines of that, a secondary meeting that takes place on Kushner, Witkoff. And you remember when President Trump went and sat down with Putin in Anchorage, happened to be a fly on the wall on that trip. The very next day, what did he do? He came back to the White House and they had that meeting with the coalition of the willing and the coalition of the willing. The European leaders all came in. Zelensky flew in as well. The very next day, they all sat down at the White House. Who's going to be meeting now in Paris? That same coalition. Because the big deal here, the deal potentially deal breaker for everyone. What are these security guarantees you got? People like Tusk was going into business for himself in Poland. The, the globalist prime minister there, who we're trying to. Who. You know, we'll see how much longer he lasts in that position. By the way, he was up there going to business for himself, saying that US Troops are going to be on the ground in Ukraine. I'm not sure that the president. No, no, no.

[Steve Bannon]

Worse, worse. Hold it, hold it. Don't protect him. Just goes as a poll. Don't give a. No, he said worse.

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[Steve Bannon]

He said on the line. He said on the line of contact, US Troops, not just in Ukraine, but really up cheek by jowl, right?

[Jack Posobiec]

So they were like, you guys demilitarized? No, these. Demilitarized zone. No. Donald Tusk, he's a Pomeranian. So we'll talk to the true polls about that. But. Okay, here we go. But no, this is, this is a real question. We Got to see American troops, British troops, French troops. What is the coalition of the willing? And who do we see? Christina Freeland just got appointed by Zelinsky. So she had been the Canadian, you know, the Canadian deputy to Trudeau. She just got appointed by Zelensky. She, of course, of Ukrainian extraction. So she just got a big appointment by him. And what are we also seeing Zelensky took? And people who have been following our Ukraine analysis for a while at Human Events Daily. Remember, we've talked a lot about Budinoff. We said, watch this guy. Budinoff is the CIA's guy in Ukraine. He's the one that was running those 17 CIA intelligence centers that were on the line of contact the border with Russia, who just got appointed to head the presidential office of Zelensky Budanov himself. So there's a lot of questions. Potentially, could this be a successor in the making? The CIA's man in Ukraine, Budinova, the.

[Steve Bannon]

Deep states all over this. Real quickly, Mark Kelly, Pete Heggs is sending him a letter of censure. Is this start the process to recall him to active duty and court martial him and put him in Leavenworth, Sir.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, Steve, when I was at the Pentagon, I had the opportunity to question this from the press secretary, Kingsley Wilson over at the Department of War, and specifically on Mark Kelly and this seditious video that came out at that point, it was under review by Secretary Fallon over at the Navy Department. And now that the review has been done, it was submitted to the, to the secretary, the overall Secretary of War. He's come down and said, we're going to see, number one, it will be a, this, this administrative action. And number two, we're going to see reduction in rank and the opening, the opening of a broader investigation and proceedings against him. This is unprecedented. We have not ever seen something like this happen to a sitting United States senator. Potentially, yes. This could include, depending on the way they go with it, it could include the full return to active duty. It could potentially include a courts marshal. It could include all of it. And I say bust him down to a butter bar, put them on bread and water rations.

[Steve Bannon]

Last thing. And I got Brian Kelly coming in right now in the Tale of Two Cities, which is our theme for today's show, Minneapolis and the earthquake. There are walls. And Caracas, Lower Manhattan.

[Mike Lindell]

Right.

[Steve Bannon]

For the American people in the MAGA movement today, what is more important?

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, today you got to focus on, you have to absolutely focus on Minneapolis and you have to figure out what's going on. Why is it this one City. Steve, think about it. George Floyd, Minneapolis. All right, the trans shooter at the, at the Catholic school Minneapolis, just two weeks before Charlie Kirk's murder was up there in Minneapolis. The massive Somali fraud Minneapolis. There's something. And the great Liz Collin over at Alpha News perhaps could answer this better than me. There's something going on in Minneapolis that for some reason all of our national stories, these national narratives seem to converge there. Maybe it's convergence site, maybe it's a place where the Democrats and the left and the globalists are converging. Therefore, honestly, I don't even know the answer for it. But what I do know is that Minneapolis 30 years ago did not have these problems. They did not have the massive importation of Somalis there. And they, these scams, this insanity was not being run. Then they pluck up Tim Walls, they try to push him out, they p him out of his bubble in Minneapolis. And suddenly when real media gets a sense of him and when the broader media gets sense of they're not completely bought off, then we made short work of him. And by the way, Steve, mark my words, we'll do the exact same thing to Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania that happened to Tim Waltz. So Joshi, little Joshi, take a good look at Tim Waltz right now. That is your future. The minute you try to step out.

[Steve Bannon]

Of Pennsylvania, you, Charlie Kirk shows up next and poso after that at 2:00'. Clock. Poso, where do people go for all your content?

[Jack Posobiec]

Sir, we're up Human Events Daily. Go check out the great special. Everybody's talking about it, Tales of Regime Change. People are saying it's the best podcast series they've seen on these regime change situations that have gone on the last 30, 40, 50 years all around the world. Why these things happened, why the history happened. Incredible reviews. Want to say thank you to War Room and the entire War Room, Engine Room, Grace and everybody for gigging it up and streaming it across the War Room platforms and of course, putting it out there. If you haven't had a chance to listen yet. Well, folks, you know, I can't say that I was privy to all the information regarding the Venezuelan actions, but let's just say it's kind of there. There are no conspiracies, but there are no coincidences when Human Events Daily is running a regime change special. Right when Maduro gets arrested.

[Steve Bannon]

Hold on. That ends on the very night that you ended. And then you went. Then they went live. They went.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, I was telling, I was telling the team. I said, guys, I think volume, I think volume five is taking place right now.

[Steve Bannon]

Real quick. Twitter feed. Where do people go on your Twitter?

[Jack Posobiec]

It's, it's at Jack Posobic. And Steve, I just have one question for you before I run that. You know, I want to get out here. Do you have any tips for Maduro on federal prison?

[Steve Bannon]

Whoa. But listen, this is my question about DEA. DEA at Danbury. @ Danbury. They're not, they're not coking and joking with you and not letting you change your uniform. They're not changing you every 30 minutes. I got to find out about this DEA thing about, you know, Maduro didn't look like he was sweating the program. Don't get it. Jack Posobuk, thank you very much. That's not the way the Bureau of Prisons rolls, I can tell you. Thank you, brother. Brian Kennedy got you on here for some deep smart thinking today in the Tale of Two Cities. Sir, what is more important for the American people? What's happened in Minneapolis and a political earthquake or the geopolitical earthquake in Caracas and lower Manhattan.

[Brian Kennedy]

Sir? Well, since Jack already said Minneapolis, I'm going to go with Caracas. Of course Minneapolis is important because if we can't, if we can't solve the Somali problem in Minneapolis, Minnesota, what, what are we doing here? We have to get that right. And that's a very high priority. But in Caracas, Venezuela, the reason the president went in there was because he thought it was something more than just drug dealing by Nicolas Maduro. He thought it was something existential about the fact that you had Russia, China and Iran who are enemies of the United States, some more than others, of course, who are operating in Venezuela in defiance of what he termed the Monroe Doctrine. So I think here, Steve, this is a major strategic shift on the part of the president to take seriously for the first time in my lifetime, this.

[Steve Bannon]

Idea. Yeah, I want to get, I want to give you time because you've been one of the architects of America first. And when people hear that, they go, man, is Brian Kennedy going neocon on me. So I want to give plenty of time to think about this on the other side and maybe even get you back up here tonight. Brian Kennedy is with us. We're going to take a short commercial break. Tax Network USA Scott Bessant look, he's got to close a $2 trillion gap. Doge didn't do it. He's got to. They're looking for every tax $tn USA 800-958-1000 tell him the war room sent you. Tell them your tale of woe They've solved a billion dollars worth of tax problems. They will solve yours. Tax Network usa. Check it out.

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[Jack Posobiec]

Today. Here's your host, Stephen K.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Brian Kennedy]

Sir? Well, I do think Marco Rubio is, is doing overall a pretty good job here for the President. I disagree with him on a few things. I'm not sure why Maduro is in a New York prison, not in some hole in Gitmo. I'm not sure what, what due process Nicolas Maduro deserves today if in fact he's a narco terrorist, which I think he is. The neocon view would be we need to democratize Venezuela, we need to democratize Latin America and South America and we need to make sure the world is safe for democracy. The America first view is we need to make sure that the world behaves itself so that the United States is secure and free and tranquil and prosperous. That's, I think, what President Trump is doing here with his calling out the Monroe Doctrine. During the period when Monroe doctrine was in 1823, it was written by, mostly by John Quincy Adams. He thought then, as did most Americans up until really the early 20th century, that the European power should not get a foothold anywhere in the Americas because if they did, they'd be able to exert influence that would not be in the interests of the United States. What has happened over the last 50 years especially is you have China, Russia and now Iran in a place like Venezuela, and throughout Latin America and South America, exerting all sorts of influence there in ways that are detrimental to US interests. What matters from the Monroe Doctrine point of view is that whatever is nearest is dearest. We're not talking here about Ukraine, we're not talking about Africa, we're talking about South America. You look at Venezuela on a map, missiles that are put in Venezuela, like missiles that are put in Cuba, could reach the United States. We don't know what, what the Russians, the Chinese or the Iranians have put in Venezuela over the last decade. These are bad actors. This is a communist regime. That means harm to the United States. President Trump is saying we're not going to live anymore with nations that are enemies of ours so close to us exerting this kind of influence. Getting rid of Maduro is one thing. I agree with that. But now you have to take the next step and make sure that you have a regime in Venezuela that removes from Venezuela the Chinese and all of their investments there. The Russians and the Iranians. What are the Chinese, Russians and Iranians doing in Venezuela but staging an operating hub, as it were, to be able to cause harm to the United States, whether it's drug trafficking, which the Russians have always been involved in, or the building of terrorist bases to import into the United States or weapon systems that can be used, advanced missiles, including potentially nuclear missiles aimed at the United States. Again, this is not the Middle East. This is not Eastern Europe. This is our hemisphere within, within, As I say, 30 minutes reach of the United States. That's something the President saw and he thought that was intolerable. Now we have to take the next step in this hemispheric defense and make sure the Chinese are out of South America, make sure that the limitations on any foreign power in those places is absolutely minimal. And we do that not for the people of those countries, Steve. We do that for the people of the United States to make sure that we, the United States are secure from any of their nefariousness. And you see this all throughout South.

[Steve Bannon]

America. What's your social media I want to have you back on because we need to drill down on this and take the 6 o' clock hour drill on this so that we have, we can work it through because people need to understand this because there's a lot of confusion. Where do they go to get your content?

[Brian Kennedy]

Brian? The website is presentdangerchina.org on X I'm Brian T. Kennedy. One on getter. I'm Brian T. Kennedy and also on Truth Social. Thank you very much.

[Steve Bannon]

Steve. Thank you. I look forward to getting you back on here in the next couple days. Mike Lindell joins us, the CEO of MyPillow. Sir, we're starting off a week already with an insane amount of news analysis. They're going to have a press conference at noon in St. Paul in Minneapolis. St. Paul Walz is going to throw in the towel. We're going to have another one or not a press conference. We're going to have an arraignment of Maduro in lower federal court in lower Manhattan. Sir, our thinking here is that with all the geopolitics aside, Minneapolis Is the story of the morning. But the war room wants a deal. They want a deal on a pillow, a sheet, a towel. Give it to a.

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