Episode 5073: Kennedy's Plan To Bankrupt Vaccine Manufacturers

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Bannon’s War Room
Episode: 5073: Kennedy's Plan To Bankrupt Vaccine Manufacturers
Date: January 16, 2026
Host: Steve Bannon
Notable Guests: Dr. Peter Navarro, Dave Brat, Mary Holland, Jameson Greer, Mike Lindell

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on three key themes:

1. The Trump administration’s economic strategy and “populist” policies aimed at boosting American growth, productivity, and confronting inflation.
2. The controversy and fear surrounding Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s moves to challenge vaccine manufacturer liability protections, as highlighted by Mary Holland and current headlines.
3. Growing concerns about education, “radical” youth movements, and political unrest in Minnesota, as discussed by Mike Lindell and Steve Bannon.

Through high-velocity and combative discussion, the host and guests critique establishment Republican and Democratic politics, probe the economic and legal landscape around vaccines, and escalate rhetoric around domestic political conflict.

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1. Economic Growth & the Trump Agenda

(00:44 – 13:24)

Key Discussion Points

• GDP Growth and Economic Drivers
  Dr. Peter Navarro frames U.S. economic success around four drivers: consumption, investment, government spending, and net exports, highlighting robust growth due to Trump-era policies:

  • Massive IRS refunds and tax breaks (no tax on tips, Social Security, or overtime).
  • 100% expensing for manufacturing investments.
  • Tariffs attracting foreign investment ("if you build it here, you don’t get tariffed").
  • Historical reduction in the trade deficit—lowest since 2009.
  • Lower government spending, reducing deficits and interest rates.

  “Consumption is going to be a pillar of prosperity in 2026. So check that box.” – Dr. Peter Navarro (02:20) “The tariffs are bringing in foreign investment … literally looking at trillions upon trillions of dollars of new investment.” – Dr. Peter Navarro (03:10)

• Populism vs. Establishment
  The tension between Trump’s economic populism and the resistance from Congressional leadership is underscored.

  • Some GOP leaders reportedly oppose these policies, calling them “populist crap.”
  • Navarro argues populism helps “America’s working families and middle class” while both parties’ business models rely on Big Pharma, Big Food, etc.

  “There’s a fundamental disconnect between the business model of both parties on Capitol Hill … vs. populism, which is designed to … help basically America’s own Lao Bajing, America’s working families and middle class.” – Dr. Peter Navarro (07:49)

  • Navarro and Bannon emphasize that “the data is the data” and the administration has until September to “turn all of this around.”

• Infrastructure and AI Impact on the Grid
  Navarro details electricity and grid policy, especially the pressures posed by AI-driven data centers.

  • AI is making U.S. electricity more costly and placing strain on the grid.
  • Trump’s plan: Hold Big Tech/Digital companies directly responsible for costs and reliability—“AI, first, do no harm to our grid or our ratepayers.”

  “It’s pretty simple. You make them pay … and you make them ensure that whatever they put in … won’t hurt the grid at all.” – Dr. Peter Navarro (10:20)

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2. Vaccine Liability and the Kennedy Effect

(33:27 – 43:14)

Key Discussion Points

• Washington Post’s Alarm Over RFK Jr.
  Mary Holland joins to address a Washington Post op-ed by Ezekiel Emanuel warning that Kennedy’s policies could “bankrupt Big Pharma” by stripping vaccine manufacturers of legal immunities.

  • Kennedy’s administration reduced the number of recommended childhood vaccines, causing blue states and pharma-linked organizations to revolt.
  • The op-ed signals Big Pharma’s “psychological warfare” in response to potential loss of legal protections and financial risk.

  “What they’re really worried about is that Bobby Kennedy is undermining the liability protection for the pharmaceutical manufacturers. And there is truth in that.” – Mary Holland (34:05) “This could reduce vaccination of children potentially by 25–30%.” – Mary Holland (34:50)

• Reactions from the Medical Establishment

  • Organizations like the American Academy of Pediatrics are suing over the reduced schedule.
  • Some states threaten to set their own vaccine policies in defiance of federal recommendations.
  • Holland and Bannon mock the effectiveness of the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program and highlight a forthcoming lawsuit (Feb. 13, Federal District Court, Boston).

  “They’re attacking Bobby Kennedy … for reducing the schedule, for cutting off their funding. … Show us where the science is. And they’ve got nothing.” – Mary Holland (40:00)

• Historical Context and Media Critique
  Bannon and Holland connect Kennedy’s moves and public skepticism to the unpopular COVID-era mandates and the end of mainstream media dominance.

  • “For the first time, Big Pharma … the mask has been ripped off…” (Steve Bannon, 37:37)
  • “Pharma doesn’t frankly know what to do, except for ad hominem attacks, which is what they always do.” – Mary Holland (38:19)

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3. Education, Youth, and Domestic Conflict

(47:11 – 52:53)

Key Discussion Points

• Minnesota’s Political and Cultural Crisis
  Steve Bannon and Mike Lindell describe Minnesota’s youth as radicalized, referencing the “Red Guard” of the Chinese Cultural Revolution and likening current student activism to insurrection.

  • Lindell attributes the “decline” in Minnesota schools to leftist leadership and calls for federal intervention.
  • Bannon reads a Trump statement on insurrection in Minnesota, forecasting direct action ("If and when I am forced to act, it will be solved quickly and effectively." – Steve Bannon quoting Trump, 51:27).
  • Lindell claims student protests and unrest are orchestrated and ties his personal redemption story to the political stakes in Minnesota’s future.

  “God set me free of all my addictions that day and then never looked back. It was a miracle. … But it’s also that’s the American dream on steroids.” – Mike Lindell (48:40)

  • Bannon and Lindell sharply criticize local leadership (Governor Walz, Mayor Fry) and call for stricter law enforcement and protest rules.

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4. Additional Economic and Political Commentary

(21:35 – 27:20; 52:53 – 53:09)

• Jameson Greer and Dave Brat provide further analysis:
  • Greer: Praises Trump’s “maestro” approach, credits tariffs and investment in productivity for U.S. growth.
  • Brat: Urges investment in “human capital” in cities (e.g., addressing low literacy rates) as crucial for populist reform.
  • Bannon: Calls for “Insurrection Act” enforcement and maintains that the left’s strategies are deliberate efforts to erode American prosperity and independence, referencing history’s lessons about resilience and victory.

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Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• “If you build it here, you don’t get tariff.” – Dr. Peter Navarro (03:10)
• “This is the bet that President Trump has made. It’s pretty evident what he’s done here about getting growth back, real wages back up.” – Steve Bannon (05:07)
• “AI first do no harm to our grid or our ratepayers.” – Dr. Peter Navarro (10:22)
• “Who’s Afraid of Bobby Kennedy? Pharma is really coming out in force.” – Mary Holland (34:05)
• “They’re attacking Bobby Kennedy … for reducing the schedule, for cutting off their funding.” – Mary Holland (40:00)
• “If you don’t quit, you win.” – Steve Bannon (24:53)
• “God set me free of all my addictions that day and then never looked back. … That’s the American dream on steroids.” – Mike Lindell (48:40)
• Quoting Trump: “If and when I am forced to act, it will be solved quickly and effectively.” (51:27)

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5. Timestamps for Important Segments

• Economic policy & growth: 00:44 – 13:24
• AI & the electrical grid: 09:58 – 11:47
• Vaccine liability/Kennedy plan: 33:27 – 43:14
• MN unrest, education & insurrection: 47:11 – 52:53
• Historical/political rhetoric: Spread throughout, e.g., 24:21 – 27:20

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Conclusion

This episode features a combative populist economic outlook, pointed hostility toward Republican and Democratic establishments, and alarmist warnings about cultural and political threats. It lauds Trump’s “America First” economic achievements, hails the potential of RFK Jr. to challenge Big Pharma’s privileges, and warns of a domestic crisis embodied by Minnesota’s youth and education system.

For further information and commentary:

• Mary Holland at Children’s Health Defense (43:14)
• Dr. Peter Navarro: peternavaro.com
• Mike Lindell gubernatorial campaign: mikelindellgov.com
• Dave Brat: BratEconomics on Getter/X

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Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot.

[Dave Brat]

All these networks lying about the people.

[Steve Bannon]

The people have had a belly full of it.

[Dave Brat]

I know you don't like hearing that.

[Steve Bannon]

I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

To share the big lie?

[Steve Bannon]

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and.

[Dave Brat]

What is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Steve Bannon]

War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Banner. Okay, welcome. Friday the 16th of January, year over learned 2026, Dave Bratz riding shotgun. We pulled Dr. Peter Navarro at a meeting at the White House. A couple things, Dr. Navarro, just help us walk through this. President Trump put a very cryptic true social out late last night about and it seems like he had just been briefed by you guys. He says the numbers are unbelievable. What does he mean by that? Walk me through the basics of the economy because our thesis here at the War Room is that you can start to see with your plan of the convergence of the big beautiful bill, the major tax benefits for building plant and equipment, coupled with you and Jamison Greer and Scott Bessant working under President Trump's architecture to redo the commercial relationships in the world and to use tariffs and trade to drive investment back here in the United States or have guys pay a tolling fee, you can start to see it working. We just want to know what President Trump meant by that, sir.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

All right, Steve, let's go back to first principles. If we look at the rate of GDP growth, which is everything about making us prosperous, it's four drivers. Consumption, investment, government spending, and what they call net exports, which is the difference between how much we sell to the world and how much we import. Okay, so if you look at consumption, let's start with that. What we have coming in 2026 is the biggest IRS refund in history. And we also have these tax breaks. No tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, no tax on overtime. So consumption is going to be a pillar of, of prosperity in 2026. So check that box. The second growth driver, investment. Let's look at what's happening there. First of all, we got the IRS expensing in the big beautiful bill, 100% expensing, Steve, on new manufacturing capacity. And that's sparking a massive boom. It's working in conjunction with, with the tariffs, Steve. The tariffs are bringing in foreign investment. As President Trump has said, if you build it here, you don't get tariff. So we are literally looking at trillions upon trillions of dollars of new investment. That drives the GDP growth directly, but it also increases productivity. Why do we care as maga? Because productivity is the key to an increase in real wages and the quality of life of blue collar working Americans. Now, third, you got the government spending that's going down, but that's a good thing. One of the rules of economics is that a dollar in the government sector is much less efficient than if it goes into the private sector. Oh, and by the way, falling government expenditures mean a reduced budget deficit, lower interest rates and mortgage rates. So that's going to ignite things like the housing sector. So consumption, investment, government spending, hitting all cylinders. The last one, Steve, is the net exports. Whenever we reduce our trade deficit, that shows up as an increase in our GDP growth rate. That's exactly what the Trump tariff policy is doing. We just had, in the latest numbers, Steve, the lowest trade deficit since 2009. So if you add all that up, Steve, it's a set of policies. And throw on top of that, good things like oil going from $75 a barrel to $50 a barrel. You can't imagine any other thing happening in 2026 than robust growth, rising real wages as we had in the first term, and prosperity. So looking forward, that's what we see. And it's all good, brother.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah. Okay, now, and President, I've said this from the beginning, where people were tweeting out after the November debacle of the traditional Republicans in New Jersey and Virginia. They said, oh, it's got to be affordability in 2026. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's going to be growth, jobs and wages. This is the bet that President Trump has made. It's pretty evident what he's done here about getting growth back, real wages back up. It's the same plan, except hyperscaled from the first term, Peter, because he had Liberation Day. That's the new element that we didn't get to in the first term. I do wanna say, yeah, go ahead, sir.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

Let's remember this. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. We can pursue all of these growth policies at the time. We're fighting a war on Biden's legacy inflation. And what we're doing, Steve, in the trenches, is taking a micro approach to the macro Problem of inflation. Remember, Steve, that inflation is nothing but a basket of prices for housing, for energy, for transportation, for health care and all of that. And so what we are doing, with all due speed, is to tackle every one of those elements, sector by sector, industry by industry, product by product. Yes, fish by fish. And so you're seeing all.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on, hang on, hang on. This is, this is going to get to my point. I don't have it in front of me, but if, if, if my crack team here in Grace can pull my Getter account, I put it up last night. There was an article that talked about the House, Johnson and these guys get losing these votes, etc. And there was a quote from a senior Republican House member that says Trump has got to stop sending up this populist crap. They use a more blunt term than that, this populist crap up to the Hill, President Trump's focus. This leads me into the, is going to lead me into the grid and AI. But President Trump's focus, your policy initiatives that are coming. And we're going to have Bobby Kennedy, we're going to have Mary Holland on the bottom of the arrow talking about Bobby. The Washington Post has got Ezekiel Manuel, the worst, talking about Bobby Kennedy bankrupting big Pharma. Right. President Trump's populous economic policies generated by you guys, all these great ideas. They said it right now on Capitol Hill, the senior guy, I don't know if it was Scalise or Emmer, but it was, hey, it had to be. One of the top guys said Trump has got to stop sending us up this populist crap. So how are you going to do this, Dr. Navarro?

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

Oh, man. Well, there's a fundamental disconnect between the business model of both parties on Capitol Hill, which is to raise money from big pharma, from big food, from big this, from big that, versus populism, which is designed to, to help basically America's own Lao Beijing, America's working families and middle class. And so I don't know what that rhetoric is all about. I do know that we have a very slender majority in the House and that certainly they're not acting now to put something up on the board that they can run on. I think they're running. Some of these guys are running scared. But look, I mean, the data is going to be the data. It's what, January now? We got until September to turn all of this around and we're doing that, Steve. It's all there. And what I'm trying to do, talking to members on the Hill and Showing my videos and things like that is like, here's your talking points. It's like, here's what the boss is doing on this, you know, on, on. On beef prices, on egg prices, on mortgage rates, on housing prices.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

And that's the kind of stuff you should be talking about.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, you're having great. You're having. You're having a great. You're having a great impact. They're having. You're having a great impact. The quote is, they got to stop sending this populist crap up to the. Up here. Okay, hang on, hang on. But let's. I want. I want to see this manifest. The president also put out his true social. So good late at night. He also put out a bombshell on. On the grid and electricity. He's going to do special auctions. Walk me through this. Is this whole thing on the grid. And he says, I'm doing this because I'm not going to have the people underwrite the massive expense of the electric. What we need for electricity to drive these data centers. What did he mean by that? Dr. Navarro, what are you guys cooking up over there?

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

Well, I don't want to get too far ahead of him because I never do that. But the central problem here, which we're going to solve, is that AI is expanding so fast that we simply don't have enough capacity to service it going forward. So there's two issues. One is price. AI is driving up price, the price of electricity. But number two, the grid is also facing potential reliability issues going forward. And so it's pretty simple. You make. You make them pay Steve, and you make them ensure that whatever they put in, in terms of power, that it won't hurt the grid at all. So that's the principle. It's pretty simple to do no harm. AI first do no harm to our grid or our ratepayers. And so if they're. There's another element here, and this one. You've talked about it. We've talked about it. It's like, why are Americans paying for AI in India? ChatGPT operating on US soil, using American electricity, servicing large users of ChatGPT, for example, in India and China and elsewhere around the world. So that's another issue that's got to be dealt with. And don't forget, Steve, there's water issues as well, and there's farmland issues. Huge as well. They're paying like they coming in, you know, the face the metas of this world and others are coming in and paying like a 10x on farmland. And if we're going to fight food inflation, we've got to wrap our heads around that.

[Steve Bannon]

Yep. I don't want to cause an international. I know you guys are. You guys. People should know they're working non stop late at night over at the White House and the EOB every night. President Trump's got a whole array of policies. This is why I'm feeling very confident actually about the midterm election. The Democrats are gonna get more radical. You're gonna see the more radical things like you see in Minnesota, because the economic issue is going to be taken away from them. Last thing, Dr. Navarro, and I don't want to cause an international incident here, but did you have any chance, and maybe you don't have flexibility to comment, but did you see Carney, his trip to Beijing to kowtow to the Chinese Communist Party? Any response to what Carney's been saying over the last 24 hours?

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

24 hours, sir, indeed I did. I was tempted to put some up on X and Getter to the effect of was he looking for a discount on fentanyl or something when he was over there? So I don't know what their strategy is. If they think, if Canada thinks they can use China as a bargaining chip, that's not going to, that doesn't end well. And look, I love the Canadian people. I just, I don't think their leadership has really reflected the silent majority, if I may, in Canada, it's, it's too, Amen. Ontario centric. You know, it's like it's a great country. And out in Edmonton, they just scratch their heads.

[Steve Bannon]

Now if you look at the allies who had shoulder to shoulder In World War I, World War II, the Canadians, some of the toughest and best. The Canadian people are the best. It's, you've got an elite up, you got a globalist lead up there. It's more dangerous than the global elite here in this country. They're, they're, they're dangerous. And you tell President Trump once again, has 100% been right when people said why is he picking on Canada? He wasn't picking on Canada. He's going after these globalist elites. And Carney just showed you President Trump once again, 100% key wrecked. Dr. Navarro, where they go get your videos, where they get everything you're putting up every day, all your content.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

The central piece is peternavaro.com peternavaro.com you they'll get you to my ex and Getter and truth social and Instagram feeds. I'm telling you, Steve. These 60 second videos are priceless. They're really good to watch, to kind of understand exactly what we're doing and why. Yesterday there's a nice piece on soybeans using basically taking soybeans and turn them into biofuels like it's a home run for the American people. So it's cool stuff, Stephen. You keep doing what you're doing, Admiral, and let's see what happens here. As the boss says.

[Steve Bannon]

You keep doing what you're doing. You invest in Jameson greer. Amazing trifecta, Dr. Navarro. Thank you. Short commercial break. Dave Bratt is going to give us his observations on the economic numbers.

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[Jameson Greer]

Yeah, yeah, of course. And you know I just want to start off on the grand level here. They used to call Greenspan the maestro, right? The maestro of the symphony. And that's great. The genius. And he ran us in the ditch. All these geniuses and the traditional Republicans who are saying, don't send me up any more of this America first stuff, they're very misguided. It turns out the maestro is President Trump. He's the one that's playing a multiple symphony, right, that he's making Greenspan look like the Schroeder guy on the Peanuts cartoon, right? Just plucking away. He's doing all. Everything we've been talking about here. The E Verify, the immigration fight. Who do you think he's doing that for? He's doing that for the American worker, right? We got to get this in our head when it comes to hemispheric dominance. Why is he doing that? And, you know, a lot of the grassroots, you know, everybody's skeptical out online of some of this stuff, but he's still.

[Mike Lindell]

No war.

[Jameson Greer]

He's being very strategic on that. But the economy itself, he's doing what, what we've said for four years, the number one driver of economic growth is capital. And he's bringing 10 to $20 trillion of capital in productivity is up at like 5% right now. I never would have forecast that in a million years. And so, you know, my long run trend line has it going from, you know, 7% way back to 2% in CBO forecast. So Trump's at 5. He's crushing that number. And the tariff piece, where's the news media on all this? Oh, it's going to cause inflation. There's no economic evidence of that happening whatsoever. In fact, the opposite is happening. We're using the tariffs as strategic leverage for our trading partners. And, you know, this, Denmark, Greenland, all this kind of thing, you know, these guys are not learning the lessons yet on the basic economics. They're not doing anything for Naito. We've been paying the bill to protect all of Europe and whatever, and they're not contributing there. So Trump's got the full arsenal of economics working across the board. The border invasion, the war front, the hemispheric dominance, the economics proper itself. The only thing I want to see these guys in the White House pay attention to. And it's not the sexy topic, but it's one third of economic growth, and that's human capital in the inner cities. The poor kids in Chicago, third grade literacy rates are 12%. We gotta do something. If you're gonna be populist that is the issue. We need to put some czar on improving the lives of those kids. And, man, you put them. There's your labor force. When all these business guys say, oh, we can't find any workers, well, no wonder, because you're not investing in your own kids.

[Steve Bannon]

But hang on, but hang on. This is why we need more. This is why we need more action. I got. I got your labor force because they've been twisted by these progressive teachers. I got them up in Minnesota yesterday. It's the Red Guard, dude. They're running through. You don't think if Mike Lindell walked down there as governor Lindell, they wouldn't tear him shredding piece to piece? It's the Red Guard. Look, these Marxist jihadists are not dumb people. They're smart and they're cunning and they're coming to take down the bastion of freedom and prosperity in world history. In the 250th anniversary of our separating from the earth. Excuse me. Our statement that said we were going to be independent. We talked big, though. We were very brave. We gave a declaration. It was essentially a declaration of war. On the 4th of July of 1776, because the war had already been going for about a year. There's a declaration that we're all in. We're going to be independent. Then you had a war for what, seven or eight years? Which. What's the lesson of the war, folks? What's the war room posse? What's the lesson of the revolutionary war? If you don't quit, you win. Did not our revolutionary generation show us exactly everything we need to do to be victorious? Victory begets victory, and if you don't quit, you win. They had every opportunity to quit. They had every opportunity to throw in the towel. They had all kind of peace proposals from England. We can put this back together. We can do this. They wouldn't do it. If we don't quit, we win. This is why it's so important up in Minnesota. And you see what they're doing. They're twisting the very youth of this nation. The very youth of this nation, particularly the youth of this nation that is Hispanic and African American. They're doing it to the white suit, don't get me wrong, but they're importing people all over the place mass. Mass importation of illegal aliens to crush them economically and make them more dependent, to take away their opportunities. This is quite well thought through. And that's why, Dave Brat. We need the Insurrection act because it's time to quit playing with President Trump's greatest, hey, no more games. Maduro found that out in Venezuela. No more games. You finally hit President Trump's tripwire. Let's hopefully say, you know, people around him right now, you know this brat, you've been in the system. They're putting that polling in front of, they're putting that GOP donor polling in front of him. Oh, guess what? 47% don't like the optics here are bad. You know, Tom Holman's bad, Kristi Noman's bad. Right? Stephen Miller is bad. That's the exact opposite. Press your bet now because when you explain to it and look, you've got to get, you got to get to the employees. Brett, we got a minute before we go. It's your minute. You take it before we go to break. What do you got?

[Jameson Greer]

No, that's absolutely right. If you're going to win, win. And on this immigration fight, we need to draw lines in the sand. When people are attacking our law enforcement officers, the left is saying, I can't believe these guys. They think they have the authority to, you know, ask you questions and tell you what to do. Yes, they're authorized federal police officers, officers of the law. Either we're a country of the law or we're not. They need to stay out in force. And anyone spitting at them, throwing bottles at them, throwing bottle rockets at them, harassing, they need to be locked up immediately. They're putting up with way too much stuff. There's no way once you turn that visual around, the American people will applaud the President. All the ICE folks you just mentioned, Homan, what a. What an All Star. All Star cast.

[Steve Bannon]

Amen. All Star cast. Short commercial break we're going to return. Mary Holland is going to join us about Bobby Kennedy and big Pharma Bobby. Mean old Bobby's putting them in bankruptcy. Short break.

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[Mary Holland]

Right? Right.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Mike Lindell]

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[Dave Brat]

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[Steve Bannon]

The Washington Post, Ezekiel Emanuel, one of my favorites, AR Emanuel and Rahm Emanuel, the three Emanuel brothers. This is the ones the doctor's got his big mouth running all the time about health care. And they're going to do this and they're going to do this. He's got an opinion piece in the Washington Post that posits that big old Bobby Kennedy, bad Bobby Kennedy is going to bankrupt big Pharma. This is a psychological warfare victory even of itself, ma'.

[Mike Lindell]

Am.

[Steve Bannon]

Mary Holland, what in the hell's going on? What have you and Bobby done to rattle these guys so badly?

[Mary Holland]

So, you know, I think the title should be who's Afraid of Bobby Kennedy? Steve Pharma is really coming out in force. Cnn, all the mainstream, you know, the American Academy of Pediatrics, they're suing Bobby over the reduction in the childhood schedule. This, this op ed that Zeke Emanuel and this other fellow Friedrichs did yesterday in the Washington Post is very revealing. What they're really worried about is that Bobby Kennedy is undermining the liability protection for the pharmaceutical manufacturers. And, and there is truth in that. So what do I mean by that? Last week or January 5th, Bobby Kennedy, HHS reduced the vaccine, routinely recommended vaccines to children from 17 vaccines to 11. They took away a regular recommendation for Covid shots. They'd already done that. But also the flu, also the hepatitis B, also the hepatitis A, also the rotavirus, also the respiratory systytial virus. These are all vaccines that are very questionable in and of themselves. This could reduce, this is going to reduce vaccination of children potentially like by 25, 30%. So blue states had already been rumbling about this. They said, they came out after that announcement, they said, we're not going to follow you, Bobby Kennedy. We're not going to follow your Centers for Disease Control. We're going to set up our own kind of entities and we're going to follow the American Academy of Pediatrics, which is frankly a front organization for the pharmaceutical industry. So they're saying, we're not going to follow you. And then the question becomes, what is going to be covered in this vaccine injury compensation program? And what's going to be covered is what is routinely recommended for routine administration. So there's now a gap. And these states and these doctors are saying, it's interesting. Rochelle Walensky two days ago said in the Journal of American Medical association, doctors, nothing to worry about. Vaccine injury is so rare, you know, and it's hard to prove causation. So just go ahead and give these vaccines just like normal here. Zeke Emanuel, who, as you point out, was very prominent in the Obama administration, big medical voice, he's saying, oh, no, no, no, you should be concerned about liability. Bobby Kennedy is trying to destroy it. We all know that vaccines don't cause autism. We all know that it's only children's health defense and Bobby Kennedy who make those poor parents of autistic children think that it was caused by vaccines. That would just really blew me away. And he tries to paint the injury compensation program as a program that works. It is awful, Steve. It is awful. It tries people up for 10 years. It dismisses almost all cases. Almost no cases can be eligible because people don't even know it exists. It's really fascinating how pharma is up in arms that Bobby Kennedy would have the temerity to suggest that vaccines should be treated like every other drug treatment. They should have real clinical trials. They should actually be subject to liability protection. And that people could actually sue in civil court. They don't want it. They know that they're at risk and they're trying to pretend that Bobby Kennedy is crazy. It's kind of. I have to tell you, it's kind of entertaining to watch.

[Steve Bannon]

Well, now, people said that this was going to happen. They're reacting exactly like they've always reacted. And the reason that they're freaking out is that MSNBC is gone. It's sham. What is it Ms. Now? Sham.

[Mike Lindell]

Wow.

[Steve Bannon]

Right. And you can tell the production quality's gone. The audience is collapsing. All the serious news people stayed at NBC. So they don't really have. And CNN doesn't reach anybody. They're in panic mode. They've lost the narrative. For the first time, Big Pharma has been. The mask has been ripped off because of the great work that you and your team and other people did during the pandemic to rip the mask off and to show the American people, and particularly the American moms, exactly what's going on here. Right. Cause they're the one. They're the people who get things done. And now they got a problem. They didn't send Ezekiel Manuel to the Langley Bugle to write this piece and to send a flare up to all the guys on Capitol Hill and the administration. That's a flare, is it not?

[Mary Holland]

Oh, absolutely. So. And I think you pinpointed this, Steve. This wouldn't have happened five years ago. This is the result of the outrageous COVID policies where people were coerced to take an experimental technology in the form of a vaccine that was never a vaccine. They were told to mask when there's no science behind that. They were told to distance where there's no science behind it. People have every reason to be skeptical, and they are, as they should be. And pharma doesn't frankly know what to do, except for ad hominem attacks, which is what they always do. So they're attacking Bobby Kennedy, they're attacking children's health Defense. And, you know, good luck with President Trump. I think President Trump came out really strongly about autism. You know, kids and the vaccines. Babies shouldn't be getting hepatitis B. We gotta really. We've gotta do something about autism. And then he came out with a memo, presidential memorandum on December 5 saying, Bobby Kennedy, go look at alternative peer countries. Go see what the rest of the world is doing. And he came back and he said, yeah, they don't vaccinate as much.

[Mike Lindell]

Yeah.

[Steve Bannon]

For Ezekiel Emanuel to put up a flare for, for, for Capitol Hill and for the guys in the broader administration, they've already worked Trump behind the scenes, and Trump's going, hey, I got the guys back. It's going to be, it's going to. He's going to do what he's going to do. That's why they're in panic mode. Trump is. Remember that time in the Roosevelt Room? Trump is ahead of Bobby on this.

[Mary Holland]

He was ahead of Bobby.

[Steve Bannon]

This is why they're freaked out.

[Mary Holland]

They're freaked out. No, you're exactly right. I think, you know, and like I said, you know, he put, Trump came out with this presidential memorandum. Bobby Kennedy is just responding to the request from the president. Like, the president on this stuff absolutely has. Kennedy's back. And so, you know, they're suing, you know, that aap, the Public Health association, the Infectious Disease Society, they're all suing Bobby Kennedy for his changes with acip, for reducing the schedule, for cutting off their funding. That case is going forward. Now that we've got to get some popcorn out for Steve. That's going to be February 13th in federal district Court up in Boston. And you know what? I'm so excited that these organizations that are basically medical trade associations are suing Kennedy because ultimately they're going to have to show their cards. Okay, show us why you're so authoritative. Show us where the science is. And they've got nothing. They've been bluffing for decades.

[Steve Bannon]

Discovery.

[Mary Holland]

So I'm excited.

[Steve Bannon]

Mary, where do people go?

[Mary Holland]

Come to children. You got this. Had to reach a crisis. It's reaching that crisis, and it's actually very exciting.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, I talked about, like, the ins. I talked about all the stuff earlier and about if you don't, if you, if we don't quit, we win. Okay. I talk about the Revolutionary War in the eight years. Let's just take a more modern example. Let's go back to the beginning of the pandemic. Remember every night on MSNBC and Fauci was a little God, and you had, you know, that guy from Baylor. And every night it was just, you know, safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective. And you in this audience and the worm know you. This is the first reason we, the first reason we were banned by all the platforms was Fauci and the vaccines of what they were doing right then on top of it was the 2020, you know, the election, which they stole. That's why they banned us everywhere. We're still banned on almost every platform. Remember, we had our backs. We, we had YouTube, but all of us had our backs to the wall. We weren't organized. And it looked like, hey, this is the way it's going to be. Medical tyranny. Because they can control your body and they can control, you know, what you put in it. It's game over. This is actually the authoritarian deep state. And we kicked their fricking ass. You know why? We took some shots, right? But we're resilient, we're anti fragile. Just like the fricking revolutionary generation was anti fragile. That's the basis of this country now. We're on top. And Ezekiel Emanuels in the Washington Post today say, sending up a flare and hey, Kennedy's going to bankrupt us because big pharma is corrupt from top to bottom and should be bankrupt, ma'. Am.

[Mary Holland]

Well, you know, they should be subject to the same, you know, civil court as anybody else. They should be. They, they should not have a playing field that is totally tilted towards pharma. And you know the irony this article is it's all about the money. It's all about the economics. There's nothing here about children's health health. It's all about like, there's a total gaslighting. There's no acknowledgment that children have been getting sicker and sicker and sicker. Half of our kids have some kind of chronic health condition. There's no acknowledgment of that at all. It's just like, oh, we've got to save the vaccines. And it's like tone deaf.

[Steve Bannon]

Total tone deaf.

[Mary Holland]

Cash cow.

[Steve Bannon]

It's the golden calf. It's the cash cow, ma'.

[Mary Holland]

Am.

[Steve Bannon]

Where do people go get you where they find?

[Mary Holland]

Please come to children's health defense.org on X where children's HD I'm at Mary Holland NYC.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you man. Appreciate you.

[Mary Holland]

Thank you.

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[Mary Holland]

It's.

[Steve Bannon]

You ever. You ever heard of the Cultural Revolution? As bad as the French Revolution? The Cultural revolution in the 1960s, that's what they did. They turned these young. They turned high school and college kids against their elders, against. Against their families, against their parents, against their aunt and uncle. Don't take it from me. Ask Lao Bajing. Ask any Chinese American. You know, ask anybody how it's so bad the Communists today will not let it be talked about because of what they did to the youth of China. That's what's happened here in the United States. You saw it yesterday. Mike Lindell, you are looking to be the next governor of Minnesota. Seventeen years ago today, I think even at this time, you were a degenerate gambler and a cocaine. A crack cocaine addict. What happened on this day 17 years ago that set you on the path to actually be the leading Republican in this massive primary in Minnesota? To be the next governor, Sir.

[Mike Lindell]

Yeah, Steve, it is a very. It's an amazing anniversary date for me. God set me free of all my addictions that day and then never looked back. It was a miracle. It was a miracle in my life. And, you know, I'm a born again. I'm saved Christian, Born again Christian. And. And. But it's also. That's the American dream on steroids. And you see all these kids in Minnesota now, the schools that they let these kids out, out of school to use as human shields against these paid protesters that have come into Minnesota. Our school system, Steve, in Minnesota, since Waltz has been in there. We used to be in the top three. Now we're 39th in the nation. Cause they've taught these kids to hate our president, to hate our country, to hate, you know, basically hate everything about our country and the American dream. And this has to change. The president's gotta come in right now and take control of this insurrection. We need it in Minneapolis. They're gonna. This is gonna keep magnifying as Waltz and Fry the mayor of Minneapolis and our media here keep promoting this and promoting this. It has to stop, Steve. It's gonna get. You're gonna end up with the summer of 2020, when all my friends back when I quit my addictions and everything, I brought so many people out of that, helping people and a Lot of people had rebuilt their lives, rebuilt their businesses and they all got burned to the ground in 2020. This is going to be worse if we don't stop it now. So I've got to call out. You know, I would pray that the president, he did a truth a little bit ago and I don't think we can't wait on this. It's got right now. Steve. At noon today Central time, a group is put out to encourage all the other schools in Minnesota, the rural schools and these other schools who weren't closed for them to come out and start. And start protesting and rioting. You know, we need to make protester laws and say there's nothing wrong with protesting, but you don't commit crimes when you protest. You don't block streets, you don't block sidewalks. See, this goes back to when Waltz let him a few years ago, about eight years ago, they let Black Lives Matter block off our biggest highway in Minnesota. People couldn't get to my work, they couldn't get to my pillow. They couldn't. We couldn't get supplies. And then they just this just magnified from that. It's disgusting. We need new.

[Steve Bannon]

These guys need to be.

[Mike Lindell]

These leaders need to be prison.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah. For our podcast audience, I just, I want to read this quickly and your, your comment. We only get like a minute in. This is from the president United States and I quote, in Minnesota, the troublemakers, agitators and insurrectionists are in many cases highly paid professionals. The governor and the mayor don't know what to do. They are totally. They have totally lost control and are and are currently being rendered useless.

[Dave Brat]

If and when I am forced.

[Steve Bannon]

Let me repeat that. If and when I am forced to act, it will be solved quickly and effectively. President Donald John Trump, your thoughts there? Mike Lindell?

[Mike Lindell]

Start right now. Mr. President, it's. There is no. I don't see how this ends without him stepping in because like I just said, they're now they're promoting other. These people are brainwashed. These kids have been brainwashed. Our media here in Minnesota has brainwashed everybody. The starring.

[Steve Bannon]

We had Kevin. We had Kevin. We had Kevin Posobic on last night. He says Antifa's got a call out. They're pouring in this weekend even at 0 degree temperature and Tiffany's pouring in. They got the college, they got the high school kids today. Mike, we gotta bounce. I want everybody now to focus on going to your go your site that you're running for governor and see what you got where they go.

[Mike Lindell]

It's Mike Lindell. Gov.com you guys, I need your help. We've got to change. We've got to do something. I will be a great governor. Mike Lindale gov.com help out now and let's save Minnesota here.

[Steve Bannon]

Seventeen years ago today, a coke, a crack cocaine addict and degenerate gambler changed his life because God came into his life. And what an arc to a story. Mike Lindell, you're a great man. Appreciate you. Dave Brat. Where do people go to get Dave Brat, sir?

[Jameson Greer]

Yep, just brat. Economics on getter and X. The whole. The whole history of our country. Trump providential 250 years years on 1776 keep fighting folks. It's all started with Christianity. We gotta get it back. It's coming.

[Steve Bannon]

If we don't quit, we win, right? There's going to be a confrontation in Minnesota. Let's have the Insurrection Act, Mr. President. Let's get it done. The Charlie Kirk show is next. Poso after that, Steve Gruber, Eric Bowling. And then we're back live. 5:00pm the war room. We'll see you then.

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