Episode 5074: Omar And Tlaib Meltdown Over ICE Hearing; Protest Ramp Up in to The Weekend

Summary

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Podcast Summary

Bannon's War Room, Episode 5074: Omar And Tlaib Meltdown Over ICE Hearing; Protest Ramp Up Into The Weekend

Date: January 16, 2026
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Notable Guests/Co-hosts: Dr. Peter Navarro, Jack Posobiec, Kevin Posobiec

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into:

• The economic strategies and achievements under the Trump administration, with Dr. Peter Navarro detailing positive economic indicators and Trump’s bold policies.
• Populism vs. GOP establishment tension, with focus on Trump's ongoing push for populist policies and establishment backlash.
• The growing importance and nature of targeted ICE operations in Minnesota, the political and media meltdown from the progressive left (Omar & Tlaib), and protests ramping up in the region.
• An insider account of law enforcement operations, Antifa’s ongoing presence, and discussion about the legal wrangling in the high-profile Charlie Kirk murder trial.
• Broader themes: national sovereignty, economic nationalism, and the culture war over border security.

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Economic Policy Under Trump 2.0

[00:52 - 09:30]

Key Points:

• Dr. Peter Navarro details the "big beautiful bill" delivering massive tax relief and incentives for manufacturing in the U.S., citing:
  • Largest IRS refunds in history.
  • 100% expensing for new manufacturing.
  • No taxes on tips, overtime, or Social Security.
  • “We are literally looking at trillions upon trillions of dollars of new investment. That drives the GDP growth directly, but it also increases productivity.” (Dr. Peter Navarro, [02:54])
• Four pillars of economic growth explained: Consumption, investment, reduced government spending, and narrowing the trade deficit.
• Results cited:
  • Falling government spending reduces deficits, lowers interest rates, and boosts housing.
  • U.S. now boasting the lowest trade deficit since 2009.
  • Energy independence with oil prices falling from $75 to $50/barrel.

Memorable Quotes:

• "You can’t imagine any other thing happening in 2026 than robust growth, rising real wages as we had in the first term, and prosperity." – Dr. Peter Navarro [04:54]
• “We can walk and chew gum at the same time. We can pursue all of these growth policies at the time we’re fighting a war on Biden’s legacy inflation.” – Dr. Peter Navarro [05:48]

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Populism vs. GOP Establishment

[06:32 - 09:30]

Key Points:

• Bannon highlights Capitol Hill tensions: senior Republicans accusing Trump of sending “populist crap” to Congress.
• Navarro’s response: Clear distinction between “raising money from big pharma, big food” (the Hill’s business model) and delivering for “working families and the middle class.”
• Emphasis on micro solutions to macro problems; populist messaging focus on items like egg, beef, mortgage, and housing prices.

Notable Exchange:

• Bannon: “The quote is, they got to stop sending this populist crap up… to the Hill.” [09:14]

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The Grid, AI, and Energy Policy

[09:32 - 11:47]

Key Points:

• Trump’s cryptic announcement about special auctions for electric grid capacity and AI data centers.
• Dr. Navarro explains:
  • AI/data centers rapidly increasing demand on grid.
  • Principle: “AI first do no harm to our grid or our ratepayers.”
  • Why let American electricity fund global operations (e.g. ChatGPT servicing India/China)?
  • Water and farmland scarcity highlighted, with big tech outbidding farmers for land.

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U.S.-Canada-China Tensions

[11:47 - 13:59]

• Brief discussion on Canadian politician Carney’s trip to Beijing, with Navarro quipping: “Was he looking for a discount on fentanyl or something when he was over there?” [12:34]
• Critique of globalist elites in Canada and the U.S.

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ICE Operations, Minnesota Protests & Leftist Backlash

[16:56 - 28:07, 39:07 - 53:11]

ICE Raids and the Omar/Tlaib Meltdown

[20:43 - 27:07]

• Bannon and Posobiec analyze the House ICE oversight hearing in St. Paul.
• Soundbite of progressive lawmakers (Omar, Tlaib) accusing ICE and its recruiting materials of catering to “white supremacists,” evoking fears among immigrant communities:
  • “When I see it as a Muslim, as a Palestinian, as a child of immigrants, I see that this is something that is evoking like, I'm not welcome here.” – Progressive witness testimony [21:51]
• Bannon and Posobiec’s take:
  • Left resorts to “white supremacy” narrative because, as Bannon says: “Normally when you go there, you’ve already lost.” [23:03]
  • Posobiec notes: “Deep down, the American people love these raids. The American people can’t get enough of them…” [23:49]

ICE Enforcement Explained

[39:30 - 43:36]

• Kevin Posobiec describes ride-along with ICE ops, emphasizing agents target “bad guys,” not sweeping up families or random people.
  • “We were out for bad guys. We're not just jumping out and tackling strangers here. These are already verified targets…” – Kevin Posobiec [41:50]
• Bannon points to left/liberal demonization—ICE cast as “jackbooted Gestapo.”
• Kevin: “They're not monsters… they're hardworking Americans. But… often, these are murderers, gunslingers… gang related crimes.” [43:06]

Protests and Antifa Escalation

[45:43 - 49:08]

• Upcoming weekend protests; tensions rising, heavy Antifa involvement.
• Tactics: Protesters pouring water to create ice, trying to disrupt and endanger law enforcement.
• Bannon suggests Trump may be compelled to invoke the Insurrection Act due to rising disorder.
• Jack Posobiec: “Antifa are professional revolutionaries. That is your hardened Antifa… They believe they can achieve ascended apotheosis by going to these events, by attacking law and order… What religion is that… Satan is the God of chaos.” [49:08 - 51:15]

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Immigration, E-Verify, and Economic Warfare

[16:56 - 20:43]

• Bannon and Posobiec discuss using economic pressure (just as against Iran) to curtail illegal immigration: E-Verify, sanctions against employers, financial restrictions, and tougher use of remittance systems.
• Posobiec: “Make it impossible for them to live... to bank, to communicate.” [19:15]
• 70-80% of illegal aliens are economic migrants; targeted economic policies can reduce inflow.

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Charlie Kirk Murder Trial: Legal Machinations

[29:55 - 38:54]

Key Points:

• Defense seeks to dismiss the Utah County prosecutorial team, citing alleged conflict of interest due to a prosecutor’s family witnessing the Kirk shooting.
• Jack Posobiec explains it’s a stalling tactic—no material witness or real conflict.
• Mystery around Lance Twigs (“the furry” boyfriend of suspect Tyler Robinson): previously under FBI protection, cooperating with prosecutors, not indicted as accessory.
• Posobiec raises “hard questions” about evidence and immunity deals.
  • “I really want to know what is in all of those discord messages… I'm shocked to see there aren't any charges on Twigs.” [36:24]
• Desire for transparency: “I'd love to see all the evidence released… more video, medical records… Ballistics.” – Bannon [38:54]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On economic policy:
  "If you build it here, you don’t get tariffed. …we are literally looking at trillions upon trillions of dollars of new investment."
  – Dr. Peter Navarro [03:13]
• On the populist agenda being attacked:
  "A senior guy, I don't know if it was Scalise or Emmer, but it was, hey, it had to be one of the top guys said Trump has got to stop sending us up this populist crap."
  – Stephen K. Bannon [06:32]
• On anti-ICE rhetoric in Congress:
  "Who do you think they're trying to recruit for ICE right now? White supremacists."
  – Congressional witness, St. Paul ICE Hearing [21:14]
• On law and order:
  "I noticed she didn't say as an American citizen whose family was allowed, graciously allowed, by the generosity of the American people to be here."
  – Jack Posobiec, on Rashida Tlaib [24:16]
• On Antifa:
  "They believe they can achieve ascended apotheosis by going to these events, by attacking law and order... Satan is the God of chaos."
  – Jack Posobiec [50:26]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Economic Strategy & Trump’s “Big Beautiful Bill”: [00:52 - 09:30]
• Grid, AI & Energy Policy: [09:32 - 11:47]
• ICE Hearing, Omar & Tlaib Backlash: [20:43 - 27:07]; [39:07 - 43:36]
• Border security, E-Verify, and Economic Warfare: [16:56 - 20:43]
• Charlie Kirk Murder Trial Legal Updates: [29:55 - 38:54]
• Antifa & Upcoming Protests: [45:43 - 51:15]

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The War Room Tone

• Patriotic, combative, unapologetically populist and nationalist.
• Frequent use of “us vs. them” (globalist elites, “the regime,” Antifa/progressives vs. MAGA/American heartland).
• Dark humor, sarcasm, and provocative jabs at perceived political enemies.

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Where to Follow Guests

• Dr. Peter Navarro: peternavarro.com (links to video briefings)
• Jack Posobiec: Twitter/@JackPosobiec, Human Events, author of "Unhumans"
• Kevin Posobiec: X/Instagram/Substack (@KevinPosobiec)

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Closing

For listeners seeking unfiltered populist-nationalist takes on U.S. economic, immigration, and cultural flashpoints—with insider perspectives from key MAGA strategists—this episode delivers deep dives, strategy debates, and real-world reports from the front lines of the current migration and protest crises.

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Transcript

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going.

[Jack Posobiec]

Medieval on these people.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Reasons I got a free shot.

[Commercial/Announcer]

All these networks lying about the people.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The people have had a belly full of it.

[Commercial/Announcer]

I know you don't like hearing that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Jack Posobiec]

And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and.

[Commercial/Announcer]

What is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Jack Posobiec]

War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay, welcome. Friday the 16th of January, year over learned 2026, Dave Bratz riding shotgun. We pulled Dr. Peter Navarro at a meeting at the White House. A couple things, Dr. Navarro, just help us walk through this. President Trump put a very cryptic true social out late last night about and it seems like he had just been briefed by you guys. He says the numbers are unbelievable. What does he mean by that? Walk me through the basics of the economy because our thesis here at the War Room is that you can start to see with your plan of the convergence of the big beautiful bill, the major tax benefits for building plant and equipment, coupled with you and Jamison Greer and Scott Bessant working under President Trump's architecture to redo the commercial relationships in the world and to use tariffs and trade to drive investment back here in the United States or have guys pay a tolling fee, you can start to see it working. We just want to know what President Trump meant by that, sir.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

All right, Steve, let's go back to first principles. If we look at the rate of GDP growth, which is everything about making us prosperous, it's four drivers. Consumption, investment, government spending, and what they call net exports, which is the difference between how much we sell to the world and how much we import. Okay, so if you look at consumption, let's start with that. What we have coming in 2026 is the biggest IRS refund in history. And we also have these tax breaks. No tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, no tax on overtime. So consumption is going to be a pillar of, of prosperity in 2026. So check that box. The second growth driver, investment. Let's look at what's happening there. First of all, we got the IRS expensing in the big beautiful bill, 100% expensing, Steve, on new manufacturing capacity. And that's sparking a massive boom. It's working in conjunction with, with the tariffs, Steve. The tariffs are bringing in foreign investment. As President Trump has said, if you build it here, you don't get tariff. So we are literally looking at trillions upon trillions of dollars of new investment. That drives the GDP growth directly, but it also increases productivity. Why do we care as maga? Because productivity is the key to an increase in real wages and the quality of life of blue collar working Americans. Now, third, you got the government spending that's going down, but that's a good thing. One of the rules of economics is that a dollar in the government sector is much less efficient than if it goes into the private sector. Oh, and by the way, falling government expenditures mean a reduced budget deficit, lower interest rates and mortgage rates. So that's going to ignite things like the housing sector. So consumption, investment, government spending, hitting all cylinders. The last one, Steve, is the net exports. Whenever we reduce our trade deficit, that shows up as an increase in our GDP growth rate. That's exactly what the Trump tariff policy is doing. We just had, in the latest numbers, Steve, the lowest trade deficit since 2009. So if you add all that up, Steve, it's a set of policies. And throw on top of that, good things like oil going from $75 a barrel to $50 a barrel. You can't imagine any other thing happening in 2026 than robust growth, rising real wages as we had in the first term, and prosperity. So, looking forward, that's what we see. And it's all good, brother.

[Commercial/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay, now, and President, I've said this from the beginning, where people were tweeting out after the November debacle of the traditional Republicans in New Jersey and Virginia. They said, oh, it's got to be affordability in 2026. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's going to be growth, jobs and wages. This is the bet that President Trump has made. It's pretty evident what he's done here about getting growth back, real wages back up. It's the same plan, except hyperscaled from the first term, Peter, because he had Liberation Day. That's the new element that we didn't get to in the first term. I do want to say, yeah, go ahead, sir.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

Let's remember this. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. We can pursue all of these growth policies at the time. We're fighting a war on Biden's legacy inflation. And what we're doing, Steve, in the trenches, is taking a micro approach to the Macro problem of inflation. Remember, Steve, that inflation is nothing but a basket of prices for housing, for energy, for transportation, for health care and all of that. And so what we are doing, with all due speed, is to tackle every one of those elements, sector by sector, industry by industry, product by product. Yes, fish by fish. And so you're seeing all.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Hang on, hang on, hang on. This is, this is going to get to my point. I don't have it in front of me, but if, if, if my crack team here in Grace can pull my Getter account, I put it up last night. There was an article that talked about the House, Johnson and these guys get losing these votes, etc. And there was a quote from a senior Republican House member that says Trump has got to stop sending up this populist crap. They use a more blunt term than that, this populist crap up to the Hill, President Trump's focus. This leads me into the, is going to lead me into the grid and AI. But President Trump's focus, your policy initiatives that are coming. And we're going to have Bobby Kennedy, we're going to have Mary Holland on the bottom of the arrow talking about Bobby. The Washington Post has got Ezekiel Manuel, the worst, talking about Bobby Kennedy bankrupting big Pharma. Right. President Trump's populous economic policies generated by you guys, all these great ideas. They said it right now on Capitol Hill. The senior guy, I don't know if it was Scalise or Emmer, but it was, hey, it had to be. One of the top guys said Trump has got to stop sending us up this populist crap. So how are you going to do this, Dr. Navarro?

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

Oh, man. Well, there's a fundamental disconnect between the business model of both parties on Capitol Hill, which is to raise money from big pharma, from big food, from big this, from big that, versus populism, which is designed to, to help basically America's own Lao Beijing, America's working families and middle class. And so I don't know what that rhetoric is all about. I do know that we have a very slender majority in the House and that certainly they're not acting now to put something up on the board that they can run on. I think they're running. Some of these guys are running scared. But look, I mean, the data is going to be the data. It's what, January now, we got until September to turn all of this around and we're doing that, Steve. It's all there. And what I'm trying to do, talking to members on the Hill and showing my videos and things like that is like, here's your talking points. It's like, here's what the boss is doing on this, you know, on, on. On beef prices, on egg prices, on mortgage rates, on housing prices.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

And that's the kind of stuff you should be talking about.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah, you're having great. You're having. You're having a great. You're having a great impact. They're having. You're having a great impact. The quote is, they got to stop sending this populist crap up to the. Up here. Okay, hang on, hang on. But let's. I want, I want to see this manifest. The president also put out his true social. So good.

[Commercial/Announcer]

Late at night.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

He also put out a bombshell on, on the grid and electricity. He's going to do special auctions. Walk me through this. Is this whole thing on the grid? And he says, I'm doing this because I'm not going to have the people underwrite the massive expense of the electric. What we need for electricity to drive these data centers. What did he mean by that? Dr. Navarro, what are you guys cooking up over there?

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

Well, I don't want to get too far ahead of him because I never do that. But the central problem here, which we're going to solve, is that AI is expanding so fast that we simply don't have enough capacity to service it going forward. So there's two issues. One is price. AI is driving up price, the price of electricity. But number two, the grid is also facing potential reliability issues going forward. And so it's pretty simple. You make. You make them pay, Steve, and you make them ensure that whatever they put in, in terms of power, that it won't hurt the grid at all. So that's the principle. It's pretty simple to do no harm. AI first do no harm to our grid or our ratepayers. And so if they're. There's another element here, and this one. You've talked about it. We've talked about it. It's like, why are Americans paying for AI in India? ChatGPT operating on US soil, using American electricity, servicing large users of ChatGPT, for example, in India and China and elsewhere around the world. So that's another issue that's got to be dealt with. And don't forget, Steve, there's water issues as well, and there's farmland issues. Huge as well. They're paying like they coming in, you know, the face the metas of this world and others are coming in and paying like a 10x on farmland and if we're going to fight food inflation, we've got to wrap our heads around that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yep. I don't want to cause an international. I know you guys are. You guys. People should know they're working non stop late at night over at the White House and the EOB every night. President Trump's got a whole array of policies. This is why I'm feeling very confident actually about the midterm election. The Democrats are gonna get more radical. You're gonna see the, the, the more radical things like you see in Minnesota, because the economic issue is going to be taken away from them. Last thing, Dr. Navarro, and I don't want to cause an international incident here, but did you have any chance, and maybe you don't have flexibility to comment, but did you see Carney, his trip to Beijing to kowtow to the Chinese Communist Party? Any response to what Carney's been saying over the last 24 hours?

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

24 hours, sir, indeed I did. I was tempted to put some up on X and Getter to the effect of was he looking for a discount on fentanyl or something when he was over there? So I don't know what their strategy is. If they think, if Canada thinks they can use China as a bargaining chip, that's not going to, that doesn't end well. And look, I love the Canadian people. I just, I don't think their leadership has really reflected the silent majority, if I may, in Canada. It's, it's too, Amen. Ontario centric. You know, it's like it's a great country. And out in Edmonton, they just scratch their heads.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Now if you look at the allies who had shoulder to shoulder In World War I, World War II, the Canadians, some of the toughest and best, the Canadian people are the best. It's, you've got an elite up, you got a globalist lead up there. It's more dangerous than the global elite here in this country. They're, they're, they're dangerous. And you tell President Trump once again, has 100% been right when people said why is he picking on Canada? He wasn't picking on Canada. He's going after these globalist elites. And Carney just showed you President Trump once again, 100% key wrecked. Dr. Navarro, where they go get your videos, where they get everything you're putting up every day, all your content.

[Dr. Peter Navarro]

The central piece is peternavaro.com peternavaro.com you they'll get you to my ex and Getter and Truth social and Instagram feeds. I'M telling you, Steve, these 60 second videos are priceless. They're really good to watch, to kind of understand exactly what we're doing and why. Yesterday there's a nice piece on soybeans using basically taking soybeans and turn them into biofuels like it's a home run for the American people. So it's cool stuff, Stephen. You keep doing what you're doing, Admiral, and let's see what happens here. As the boss says.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

You keep doing what you're doing. You invest in Jameson greer. Amazing trifecta, Dr. Navarro. Thank you. Short commercial break. Dave Bratt is going to give us his observations on the economic numbers.

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[Jack Posobiec]

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[Dr. Peter Navarro]

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[Kevin Posobic]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Sign up for free and be part of the new pin. Okay, Jack, you, you've watched closely and of course Tel Aviv, Levin and all the Israel first guys are all broken up. But because Scott Bessant laid out in March at the Economic Club in New York exactly what he was going to do under President Trump's guidance to basically destroy the Islamic Republic's economy, the tariffs he was going to do, the sanctions and most importantly, which nobody picked up at the time, he's going to go after the currency because Scott's kind of an expert in that. And you've seen what's happened. You've brought the mullahs and the Ayatollah to their knees. They're not finished yet. But the people in Persia and Tehran are taking accountability for them doing this. Is that, are you arguing that President Trump should put that same kind of economic warfare when he, when he thinks about Minnesota, maybe you don't need all the ice age, you don't need the surge that you need e verify. You need to shut down the businesses. You need to go after the employers, the CEOs and be more sophisticated on remittances and credit cards and telephones and all that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, Steve, I wouldn't say it's an either or. I'd say it's more of a whole of government approach. So look for some of these dug in networks. The Somali fraudsters, the illegal traffickers. You got Latin Kings members now that are working with the cartels. And keep in mind by the way, that the Latin Kings member who was identified because of the reporting of human events and Nick Sortor, Kevin Posobic was there as well as Nick, that reporting led to the Latin Kings member be arrested for pulling those weapons out of the federal weapons locker. This is the same Latin Kings, by the way, that, that we know has a cartel bounty, $10,000 out on the head of Commander Bovino. And he's walking around out there, he's walking around showing his face, keeping morale up for everybody. But he knows that this is blood money on his head for Commander Bovino. But he's not scared because that's who we've got. Look, the cartels, the Latin Kings, these guys, the sex traffickers like Trende Aragra. Look, you're going to need the targeted operations against them.

[Kevin Posobic]

Them.

[Jack Posobiec]

Those guys are not self deporting, just over economics. However, I'm arguing so you've got to have the deportations there. But I'm also arguing that aside from that, you're going to have a vast bulk of people call it possibly 70%, 80% of the illegal aliens that are here, they're not here under refugee status, they're not here under seeking asylum or the, you know, false claims of asylum saying true claims of asylum. No, they're here for economic purposes. They are economic migrants. In many cases they're economic leeches sucking off of the, the, you know, the teeth of our society. I'm sorry, I just have to say it. They take the federal funding, they take the welfare they get, they take lower jobs, they take jobs away from Americans. That puts downward pressure on the wages. So look, if you use these economic tools that Besant knows about them, they're certainly at his disposal at the federal level, they're using them internationally on Iran then guess what? You don't need as many of these targeted operations because even when you look at it, you get a couple hundred here, a couple hundred there, it's never going to add up to the 30 million illegal aliens that are there. If they don't start using this more sophisticated basket of targeted approaches on the economic factors. Make it impossible for them to live, make it impossible live here, make it impossible for them to stay, make it impossible for them to bank, to communicate, communicate, cell phones, all of that, take it away. And by the way, DHS last I checked because we just had Trisha McLaughlin, she's the assistant secretary there on Human Events, she said, look, they're still offering to pay for the plane ticket. Take the plane ticket, you don't need a raid, just go home.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Let me play. So I want teeing this up. We play in the cold open. These are federal officials, these are members of Congress and other federal officials. And an all day hearing in St. Paul today. If you had watched it, your head would have blown up. Let's just play a clip on what the reaction of Jack Posobie.

[Court Official]

Use images like this. You can't see this to the directors because I'm gonna ask you. It says invasion here, says America needs you to join ice. Now look at this image. Who do you think they're trying, how about Director Mayhel, Gonzalez Avalos and Director Hussain? Who do you think they're trying to recruit for ICE right now? White supremacists. Okay, how about, how about you direct me? What do you think this evokes? Who do you think wants to join this? What does this mean?

[Witness or Court Participant]

I mean it's absolutely terrifying, right? The accountability, the training, who is coming towards that? Who's going to want to join that? And I think it is an absolute product of the $170 billion that they are looking to spend and fill and use. And as they ask for more money now, they really needs to be restrictions on how all of this is done.

[Court Official]

We'll have a home again. Like, this is. Patty, look at this. We'll have our home again. What does that evoke in you when you see this? It literally, when I see it as a Muslim, as a Palestinian, as a child of immigrants, I see that this is something that is evoking like, I'm not welcome here. It is very clear what is intentionally happening here. And I think I want my colleagues to know this. In southwest Detroit, where I was born and raised, we've been complaining about ICE since 2010, even since its inception. The fact that we had.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I've heard enough. Jack Posobic, the. The kind of. The Uncle Sam takeoffs to recruit. And they've had, I think, 50,000 recruits. They had hundreds of thousand. I think they took 50 or 60 because they've had so many people sign up. Omar's group doesn't like that. They think they're not welcome. They think it's white supremacy. They have to go to race right away. Right. Because they're losing. As you said the other day, we've shattered the narrative. So now they got to go to a backup narrative. It's all. All white supremacists.

[Commercial/Announcer]

It's all.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's all white. So walk through. Why. Why have they shifted now to the white supremacist?

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I want to go.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, normally when you go there, you've already lost.

[Commercial/Announcer]

Go ahead.

[Jack Posobiec]

The. The bigger pieces. The bigger pieces is go and look, because nobody's talking about anymore. What do you. What's the dog that's not barking? When you hear Rashida Talib, when you hear Omar up there, what's the dog that. Not. That's not barking. The dog that's not barking is. They stop talking about Renee.

[Kevin Posobic]

Good.

[Jack Posobiec]

They stop talking about Becca. Good. They stop talking about Jonathan Ross, which, by the way, if you go up on Jonathan Ross's fundraisers right now, you put the two together. Guess what? Today, he just crossed the 1 million mark. So Maga, the American people just raised over a million dollars for an ICE officer who was nearly killed when he was run over by an anti ICE agitator. They completely lost the narrative there. They completely lost what they were going on. They know that the American people actually. Actually, they might not admit it to a pollster, but you know what? Deep down, the American people love these raids. The American people can't get enough of them because for a long Time they said, you know what? I don't want those people in my fa. In my house anymore, in my country anymore, my home anymore. I want to get rid of them. I don't want them around my family. I don't want them around my children. I don't want them in my neighborhood. The good people of Minneapolis don't want them there. And you know what? If it's going to be a little rough, if it's going to take a little rough stuff to get them out, then so be it. But the other piece of this, Steve, by the way, Rashid Tlaib, you notice what she said? She said, listen, me as a Muslim, me as an immigrant, me as a Palestinian. I noticed she didn't say as an American. I noticed she didn't say, as an American citizen whose family was allowed, graciously allowed, by the generosity of the American people to be here. And by the way, I'd love to ask Rashida Tlaib, do you think that's true for everybody?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Do you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Do you think that the Palestinians don't deserve to have a home? What if the Palestinians said, we can have our home again? Isn't that what their entire argument has been this whole time? That that was their home, that that was their land? Land back, all the rest of it? So. So which is it you want to say? That the Palestinian people deserve their own homeland? Okay. But you say that the American people don't. Why don't the American people deserve their own homeland? Congresswoman, Tell me that. Why don't the American people deserve their own homeland and deserve to determine who the people of that homeland is? Because, Steve, I'm just gonna say it. If I want people in my home, if I want my kids to grow up among people who share our language, who share our culture, who share our values, then guess what? That's the same thing that people on this planet have wanted, the same right that people have had since time immemorial. There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, there's everything right with that. That's the shared bonds, nationalism.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Let's play. Can we play Omar? I got a short clip from Omar. I want you to respond to that, Jack. Not the America we want.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is not the Minnesota we deserve.

[Court Official]

And we will fight back.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We will fight back. This is not the America we want. What say you, Jack Posobic?

[Jack Posobiec]

No, but listen, it's not even the words. It's the tone, right? For her, it's all the tone. She's so dejected, she's down in the dumps she's barely even looking up. She's, you know, her hijab's almost over the aisles there. She's doesn't want to be there. It's Friday. Can I just stop doing this? She's lost. She knows she's totally lost. The American people have finally woken up to the Somali invasion of our hinterland. The Somali invasion of the American heartland. Minnesota. Nice was completely, completely Jiu Jitsu'd. All right, look, I'm an East coaster. Steve, you're an east coaster. President Trump's east coaster. We don't do the whole, like, you gotta be nice all the time thing, right? There's a difference between nice and kind. That's the difference, right? Nice is, oh, I'm going to be so sweet. I'm going to be so welcoming the rest of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. East Coasters, we don't have that. I don't really get that. We, we just, we might be kind, but sometimes being kind means you got to be a little rough to get to the end hang of what you're trying to do.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Hang on, hang on. I'm from the south, you're from Philadelphia, dude. The Philadelphia thing. President Trump's from New York. I know.

[Jack Posobiec]

Richmond.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

That's true.

[Jack Posobiec]

Richmond. So you're barely in the south then. Second, you've been dc, you've been in New York. You're Goldman Sachs banker. Come on, come on. Don't even start, don't even start. Cambridge, Cambridge, Cambridge. Hollywood, Philadelphia, roots.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Hang on, Jack Vasova. We are the capital of the Confederacy, sir. Okay, Jack, even if Tyler Robinson thing, you're gonna, you're gonna make it make sense to us because I think it's quite confusing on the surface.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's still ongoing.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah, it's something going on in this Charlie Kirk murder trial or at least even the preliminaries. Jack Bassovic is with us from Human Events Daily. Kevin is deployed. We're gonna have Joe Allen's back from Nashville. We're all packed here on a Friday afternoon in the war room. Short commercial break.

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[Judge]

Do it today to today's hearing knowing that this, the court would be in this position based off your request to prepare the court, prepare opposing parties and to be efficient in our use of time. I'm trying to understand, I understand what you're saying and I understand that things evolve, but I'm trying to understand why that wasn't filed in advance of the hearing to put the court on notice at the very minimum and just to allow the court to do what the court does.

[Defense Attorney]

I hear what the court's saying and I think we can take responsibility for not sufficiently presenting the authorities that we think compel what I've just suggested should happen. We noted in our reply brief that the county attorney should not be representing themselves. And that's probably an inadequate message to the court, but we did file a motion to disqualify and inherent in a motion to disqualify based on the conflict of interest we, we anticipated would be that the state attorneys would seek representation from a clearly non conflicted appropriate prosecutorial authority, which as I've done further research and Mr. Burt and Ms. Visser and Ms. Nestor and I have all done further research literally up until earlier this morning. We think it's pretty clear that this court has the authority to make that. I'm going to call it a referral. I think it's an order referring it to the attorney General.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Jack, what in the hell's going on? They're trying to get, it looks to me like a stalling tactic by the defense. Tyler Robinson team is trying to throw out the entire prosecutorial team for what reason?

[Jack Posobiec]

Right. So what this. This came up in a motion a couple weeks ago in the case. In Charlie's murder case. So the one. So you go back to. To the event itself. You go back to that day. There were over 3,000 students there at Utah Valley University. The area. It's. It's. It's Provost Orem, Utah. A ton of people were there. And of course, Charlie, as we know, so popular with Gen Z, so popular with the co. College kids. Well, it turns out that. And they're. They're taking great pains not to identify who this individual was. This is actually one of the things they're talking about, whether or not this person should have to testify. But it turns out one of the family members, they're saying an offspring. So either a son or a daughter of one of the prosecutors on the case was actually there in the, you know, on this atrium or, excuse me, amphitheater area, the quad of uvu, when Charlie got shot. So because of this familial connection, then, Tyler Robinson's lawyers are trying to get that prosecutor, or possibly all the prosecutors, in fact the entire Utah county prosecutor's office struck from the case, get them all kicked off the case because of this connection. But the judge came in and earlier to, you know, earlier in the hearing, I'm kind of like watching it as I. As I do this, and said, look, hold on a second. You know, was this person. Was this person a victim? And they said, well, no, they didn't even actually see it because the head was turned when that took place. Okay, is this person a material witness? No. Will not be called as a material witness. So the problem is, if this person is not a victim or a material witness and was really just kind of a bystander, then it doesn't actually meet the legal threshold. And the judge has been saying this, stating this over and over to. Doesn't meet the legal threshold for a conflict of interest and is basically. A lot of people are watching it saying, look, the defense lawyers know this. The defense team knows that it doesn't meet the legal standard, doesn't meet the legal threshold at all. But it's a delay tactic because they know that the evidence is not on their side. They know that they're up against a mountain of evidence that Tyler Robinson did, in fact, murder Charlie Kirk. And so they're trying to delay, delay, delay, delay. And that's all this is.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

In the situation. I saw a tweet the other day, I think I asked you about it, that the. The furry, The. The. The boyfriend of Tyler Robinson has Been living in an undisclosed location, but the FBI is no longer pursuing him as. As party to this case. Did I read that correctly?

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, so Brian Enten over at News Nation, who's a fantastic reporter when it comes to this, you know, the crime beat. He went in and found a family member of the furry Lance Twigs. And the family member came forward saying that Twigs at one point was under FBI protection. That may have been witness security. It may have just been general protection due to threats that were being made at the time. Time. And is now living with family. And so did not say exactly where, did not exactly say who, but just said is living with family. But according to this family member no longer has that FBI protection. And but also, as we heard, is cooperating with the prosecutorial team in. In Utah Valley there. So the Utah State County Attorney is. Is you potentially going to be bringing Twigs?

[Court Official]

This.

[Jack Posobiec]

Is this Lance Twigs in as a witness? I would be shocked if Twigs is not called as a witness, by the way, said that it wasn't a situation where they had anyone bring twigs forward. Like, for example. So Tyler Robinson, it was his parents that turned him in. It was not the FBI. It was not the local authorities. It was Tyler Robinson's parents that turned him in. Twigs, on the other hand, this family member says they had to go to him before he was willing to comply.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Why is. Why is Twigs not an accessory to this? If you look at all the. If you look at all the information, at least it's out there. Isn't he an accessory to this? I mean, isn't that part of the small amount of. I just think the small amount of evidence, at least that we've seen publicly. You tell me there's a mountain, there's a tsunami of evidence about this. We haven't seen anything. But why is the FBI not have him as an accessory to this, to this assassination?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, well, Steve, I mean. I mean, obviously you wouldn't see the defense case, you know, playing these desperate games if they had anything actually serious they could point to. They're playing delay games because they know they don't have any evidence on their side. The evidence is completely not in their favor. So they're playing these procedural arguments, delay tactics. You wouldn't see them doing that if they had a serious case. Twigs, on the other hand, when you look at the facts, I really want to know what is in all of those discord messages, what is in the individual messages between the two of them. I'm shocked to see that there aren't any charges on Twigs. However, Just with my analyst hat on, take my personal opinion out of it. It could be that they cut a deal, could be that he was given immunity to possibly talk about. About everything that happened regarding Tyler Robinson and potentially these groups, these transgender groups, the queers of Salt Lake City. Did they know that this was going to happen? Because they have all sorts of tweets all over Twitter. You can find them. They're archived. We've got them at human events saying that, basically just bragging that Charlie Kirk is about to be killed. And many of them are put up even in the days, weeks and hours leading up to our friend's murder. And so there's serious questions about how exactly they knew about this. And, Steve, these are not random tweets. These are specific, detailed tweets talking about that specific date. And so that's something that I find really strange also, by the way, just go back to the text messages that we have seen, right? The text messages there in the affidavit has. Has Tyler says to Twigs, do you remember when I was engraving those bullets? Now, Steve, let me just say, if I'm hanging out in the war room and I say, stephen K. Bannon engraving some bullets over in the corner, I'm going to say, hey, Steve, what are you engraving the bullets for? Right? Or if we see. If I see my brother engraving bullets, I would say, kev, what are you up to there, bro? Well, so that's that to me. Speaking of, it's. That's not. That's not exculpatory. That's inculpatory.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I want to give. I want to get back to this, because none of this makes sense. The campus, please. I wouldn't trust anything that Governor Cox was overseeing, and he is the governor of Utah. I don't believe that there's any independence out there. But anyway, that's a topic for another day. There's so much. It's just this thing is so confusing. I. I think we need a better. You know, and they say, well, it's a murder trial, you know, so see it any other murder trial. You're getting leaks all the time.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I'd love to see all the evidence released. I'd love to see all the evidence released. I'd love to see if there's more video. I'd love to see that released. I'd love to see medical records released for. For, you know, regarding child. Just all of it.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah. Ballistics. A autopsy. Ballistics. Anyway, we've got. We'll get to all that. Let's get Kevin. Kevin Posobic going in harm's way. I guess I wasn't going to put up this photo. We should put it up because you put it up on Twitter, but you're kind of up armored today. You went out. Did you go out with a ride along with the DHS officers, with the ice officers, sir?

[Kevin Posobic]

I sure did. I sure did. And really it was fun. But I think what we want to do next is actually get an ice cream truck ourselves and drive around as we see videos of people riding around ice ages, trolling the convoys there, driving in circles. But no, we were indeed with a ride along through human events and real America's voice here. And for the posse, just basically restoring peace out here. It's very cold, it's very windy, and it's very icy as well. Going into the weekend. It's snowing. These are frigid conditions. But God bless these agents. I was able to. To conduct a. In operation with them this morning. And, you know, what we've seen is, you know, precise movements here.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Kevin, I got that. But they had a hearing today with congressmen over in St. Paul and they had witness after witness after witness, professionals saying ISIS white supremacists, people like you that are. These journalists are all white supremacists. This is a complete. A terror campaign against American citizens.

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Right.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And people that are asylum seekers that this is. This is. You guys are nothing more than jackbooted Gestapo. Your response?

[Kevin Posobic]

No, if. If you look closely at that photo, I mean, I look a certain way and he looks a little bit different. So it's actually amazing to see that. That is the executive associate director there that we're looking at. This isn't. This is their official spokesperson on the record for today. And yeah, part of my. Part of my ride along, I was able to get acquainted with him and, you know, just really humanize the situation. They're not monsters. You know, frankly, we talked about sports and muscle cars. You know, these guys.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Were you headed to a. Hang on, hang on. Were you headed. Were you headed to a school or a church to round up, do mass deportations or were you out for bad guys?

[Kevin Posobic]

No, not at all. We were out for bad guys. These guys, we were getting reports in as we were going of the targets, and these were already bad guys. We're not just jumping out and tackling strangers here. These are already verified targets through dhs, illegal immigrants. I believe that is the majority of the cases that they're having. So, yeah, yeah, that's. That's what we're doing out here.

[Jack Posobiec]

Once And Steve, to you, Kevin, these guys, these are these bad hombres, right? And you go look at the professionalism of the team members there. You look at them working together, FBI, ero, ice, dhs, Border Patrol, Bovino out there. And you see the professionalism, you see the amount of grit and determination that's required as well as the training and the operational skill that's required to go out. Not only the restraint that they need to have with these, these protesters, these agitators, but also knowing that anytime they show up, you could have a Latin King, you know, with an AR15 pointed directly at you. And that's why, Kevin, you had to wear that Kevlar out there. I said, I said, kevin, do mom a favor, stay in the car.

[Kevin Posobic]

Yeah, so that's exactly right. These guys are drug traffickers. They are blatantly one guy or a bunch of guys, honestly, they, we take them back over the border and then they come back. These are murderers, these are gunslingers, you know, so you can imagine. Yeah, gang related crimes here. So. And of course, fraudsters. It's often it goes hand in hand.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

One say, I know you're thawing out. I just want to hold you through the break. I got a question. It's near zero in Minneapolis, I think for over the weekend. It's windy, antifa supposed to be pouring in. We're going to ask Kevin Posobic. What can we anticipate in the nights like starting tonight? President Trump says he may be forced to invoke the Insurrection Act. Next in the world.

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[Jack Posobiec]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Mike Lindell is involved in one of these debates. He's running for the Republican nomination for governor. He won't be with us tonight. Kevin Bosoba and Jack are here. Kevin Crockett, Congressman Crockett referred to what you did this afternoon as equivalent to a slave patrol. The President states is going to be watching CNN and MSNBC tonight for these visuals. What can he anticipate he's going to see, sir?

[Kevin Posobic]

Well, he's not going to see a slave patrol or any kind of Gestapo units going around. That's just simply not the case. These are human agents. These are humorous guys. These are hard working Americans. But this is also the weekend. Aside from the frigid temperatures that we're seeing, the Indivisible organization is setting two protests this weekend. As we know, Dave Zier and I last weekend were assaulted and stalked at one of these protests. So I don't see any reason why this won't happen again. Their antifa types are actually using this temperature condition to their advantage by we see videos of them pouring water out front of the Whipple Federal Building in hopes that the police line will slip as they advance. And that is, that's not good because if anybody slips, God forbid somebody cracks their head or anything really, they are just waiting for an excuse. This is, well like we're sitting on a powder keg here. Very tense every night.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

President Trump says I may be forced to do the insurrection Act. Right. Because of what Kevin's seeing every night and what he and Nick Sortor and others have been in the middle of. Talk to the audience. Antifa. This is the difference. Indivisible does these things. They get guys and yes, some of them are paid, but they get these progressives. Antifa are professional revolutionaries. Right. Isn't that also what's coming to Minnesota? Because they think they've got the Trump administration on their back foot, sir.

[Kevin Posobic]

Oh, it's not coming. It's already here. It's already here. And I was doing some history in Minneapolis and The unionism around here, you know, these people are already here, and they just sabotage these organized events. There's bad apples in every bunch, as they say. So they use these events to gather, and then you'll see them huddled up, as I've seen multiple times, Groups of five or six guys. I mean, they don't really blend in. It says F ICE spray painted on their hoodies on the back, and they all have bandanas and whatnot. But they actually huddle up on the sides of these protests to see who's there. Oh, that's a great picture of Bovino today and his trench coat. Yeah, these people, you know, they're organizing outside in the cold during this chaos just to see who all's there, who's in comms, you know, what, what their operations are going to be. These are not, you know, the best and brightest, but they do have enough to understand that they really want to break us up.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Jack, Kevin tells us they're there. You've dealt with these guys. Are they trying to goad Trump into the Insurrection act, sir?

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, they are. And there's nothing that Tim Waltz would want more than the Insurrection act because he wants to deflect from his own criminal complicity of the millions and missing billions of dollars that was stolen from the people who the children, disabled children and the needy in Minnesota by his Somali buddies that he and I sure hope that none of that money wound up in any Tim Walls or Ilhan Omar or Keith Ellison fundraisers or their campaign donations. Gosh, I sure hope that none of those people who were fraudsters were also making campaign donations to any of these politicians. Kind of wonder why it was that he all of a sudden, boom, just stopped running for governor a couple of weeks ago. But suddenly no one's talking about that because Tim Walls is using this as a distraction. Steve, I will say this. On the revolutionary front, though. The two teams are like this. You've got indivisible. That's for your mass support, your mass appeal. They want to try to rebuild those George Floyd crowds. And to Kevin's point, the weather is what it is. It's going to be holding that off. But the revolutionary Bolshevik core, the vanguard of the revolution, as Lenin used to put it, the. That is your hardened antifa revolutionaries. And they will be out there because Steve and I was out there doing that hit on War Room. It was about 12 degrees, and this guy's out there 9am in the morning, screaming at them. Steve, to them, this is like us going to church. This is like Christians Going to church on Sunday. They believe they can achieve ascended apotheosis by going to these events, by attacking law and order. And Steve, I'll simply just put it as this, right. You know, this is their religion. And what religion is that? Well, we know that God is an ordered God. Orderliness is of God. He created the natural order. So who is the God of chaos is Satan. Satan is the God of chaos. What does the word devil mean? To deceive, to divide. Right. That is their God.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Jack Hanger for a second. Kevin, where do people go if you're out streaming tonight? You got to be careful now that you put this picture up on more than ever. I mean, we're very concerned about you every night.

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But are you going to be streaming.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

What'S going to happen tonight and give your social media so people can follow you.

[Kevin Posobic]

The thing I won't, I won't be streaming, but look forward to content through human events. I mean there's all kinds of people streaming, so I don't think there's a necessity for me personally too, I'm on X Instagram and substack at my name, Kevin Posobic. Kev Posobic, field correspondent for Human Events. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's me. Thanks for having me on.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And be careful. Honored to have you on. Great work. And be careful.

[Jack Posobiec]

Right now there's stuff that needs to be blurred, there's stuff that needs to be blacked out. So, so look for that as well this weekend.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Real quickly, we have a request from the, from the Warren posse. Jack Talib, I think referred to herself as a Muslima. What is that? Muslima? What is that? Is that a female Muslim?

[Jack Posobiec]

Muslima.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay. That's what it is.

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[Jack Posobiec]

Look, just go, go to Amazon. You get unhumans. Although I love, by the way, that number one book on Amazon right now is Scott Adams. That's, that's real cool. He's number one on all of Amazon best seller. So you got to love that for a guy who was a 16 or there when it mattered for Donald Trump. And by the way, this shirt disrespect communist.com if you want to disrespect communists in style. Patrick Burn wore one of these shirts on, on infowars. So you can wear one too. Disrespect communist dot com.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Where do, where do people go to.

[Jack Posobiec]

Follow you on Twitter at Jack Posic or if you want to go check out Mark Levin's page he can't stop. Stop talking about me.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

An anti Catholic bigot is what Mark Levin is. Okay, Jack Boic, thank you so much for taking the hour with us. Kevin Bovic, be, be careful, Kevin. Okay, we're stick around. The second hour of the War Room on a Friday is upon us. We're going to take a short commercial break. Back in a moment.

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