
Episode 5088: Jack Smith Hearing: Lies And Meltdown ...
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Steve Bannon
Separated by a giant ocean. It's a war that should have never started, and it wouldn't have started if the 2020 US presidential election weren't rigged. It was a rigged election. Everybody now knows that. They found out. People will soon be prosecuted for what they did.
Democratic Committee Member
Trump says you're a criminal and you belong in prison. He says, you belong in prison not because you did anything wrong, mind you, but because you did everything right. You pursued the facts. You followed the law. You stuck with extreme caution to every rule of professional responsibility. You had the audacity to do your job. Everybody here knows what you did wrong in Donald Trump's eyes and why he says you belong in prison. You found, and I quote from your sworn testimony before the committee, you found proof beyond a reasonable doubt that President Trump engaged in a criminal scheme to overturn the results of the 2020 election and to prevent the lawful transfer of power. When asked whether you believe the evidence was enough to obtain a criminal conviction against Donald Trump at trial, you had a one word answer.
Yes.
When asked if Donald Trump was responsible for the violence that took place at the Capitol on January 6, you said, Our view of the evidence was that he caused it and that he exploited it and that it was foreseeable to him. You found that Trump knew he had lost the election.
Republican Committee Member
How?
Democratic Committee Member
Well, his own Attorney general, William Barr, repeatedly told him so and described all of Trump's theories as bs. Trump's top campaign advisers told him he lost the election. Vice President Pence told him he lost the election. More than 60 federal, state and court decisions, including eight rendered by judges he appointed to the bench, rejected every outlandish election fraud and corruption claim that he made. Trump himself even privately acknowledged it, gesturing to Joe Biden on TV and saying, quote, he can you believe I lost to that effing guy? He knew he lost, but he threw everything into his big lie, which some people, even in this room to this day, will stand by.
Steve Bannon
Probably 10 people on this committee who have more conversations with 10, 15 people on this committee who have more conversations with Donald Trump than myself. But anybody who says that Donald Trump thought he won that election, that is just plain not true. No way. Unless he's the best actor in the history of. Of this building. We agree that Donald Trump believe.
Julie Kelly
Order.
Democratic Committee Member
Order.
Steve Bannon
He. Donald Trump did not believe. Donald Trump did not believe he lost that election. He just did. No way. And I think on January 6, I think. I can't believe there were any congressmen here who didn't think Joe Biden was going to be sworn in as president. So this was. It was a riot, but it wasn't a threat to the future of the Republic.
Democratic Committee Member
Souls made you aware that President Trump is live tweeting. Live, I guess you call it truth socialing as we speak. Are you aware of this about this hearing?
Republican Committee Member
No.
Democratic Committee Member
Let me read to you what he posted an hour and a half ago. Deranged Jack Smith is being decimated before Congress. It was over when they discussed his past failures and unfair prosecutions. He destroyed many lives under the guise of legitimacy. Jack Smith is a deranged animal who shouldn't be allowed to practice law. If you're a Republican, his license would be taken away from him and far worse. Hopefully, the Attorney General is looking at what he's done. We have a word for this. It's called weaponization. It's called corruption. Mr. Smith, if you care to respond, I'll give you an opportunity. But I will simply say we are grateful for your service to this country. We appreciate your fidelity to the rule of law, and I would echo the comments that have been made by my Democratic colleagues to ignore the noise that you hear from so many of my colleagues who had debased themselves in this way. It is, in my view, subversive of the oaths that we took to defend the Constitution. I'm happy to give you an opportunity, Mr. Smith, if you'd like to respond.
Steve Bannon
I don't have anything to add.
Democratic Committee Member
Thank you for your service. I yield back.
Mr. Smith, I want you to have the utmost confidence in what you did. You did everything right. Harry Dunn, Danny Hodges, Sergeant Gunno, Mike Fanone. They did everything right. These guys, my Republican colleagues, are a joke. They're wrong. History will harshly judge them. So I want you to lean in today. You have nothing to be ashamed of. You did everything right, sir. And I am so. These guys are so lucky they're not under oath, because they would have to tell you what they really think of Trump. They call him crooked. They call him cruel. They call him a scumbag. I've heard you all say it. You're lucky you're not under Trump. But when the lights go on and the cameras are on, you're tiny. You're small. You shrink. Everyone remembers Matt Gaetz coming over here after a committee hearing. He would laugh at how stupid he thought Trump was. This is all a show. And, Mr. Smith, you're just the latest act that they've brought in. But they can't erase what happened on January 6th because we saw it with our own eyes.
This is theater. Republicans are Trying to rewrite history. That's what this is. Many of them were with us in the house chamber on January 6th. I remember it well. The chairman was there, as was I. There's been a lot of discussion about witnesses today. Perhaps the chairman could muster the courage to call the four witnesses who I see the American public may not see. I see standing behind you, Mr. Smith, the four police officers who risked everything, life and limb, to do what to protect the Republican members on the dais. It's an outrage that they now sit here and have the audacity to try to rewrite history in front of the very officers who sacrificed everything to protect them.
Nicole Wallace
Heard by Democratic judges, Republican judges. One of the cases he filed was in the U.S. supreme Court. Like, of course he knew he lost because he lost and it wasn't particularly close. But that's, that's why he has to continue to spreading the big lie today. It's the reason why. You know, just think about it this way, Nicole. In the last three weeks, he has said, number one, he wish he had seized the ballot boxes in 2020. Well, that's a hell of a piece of evidence that Jack Smith didn't have, but come out of the words of Donald Trump's own mouth. Now, to the New York Times, he has said that he wish we don't have elections in the midterms at all. Well, that's like a hell of a piece of evidence.
Julie Kelly
Right?
Nicole Wallace
And he says that because. Because incumbent presidents tend to lose the midterm election. So let's everyone bookmark that for this November when Donald Trump says that they actually won the midterm elections. And that's why he needs to seize ballot boxes and the like. And then third, and this is the one that's most chilling, given the testimony today, is on the stage yesterday in Davos, Donald Trump said, I'm breaking news. And the breaking news he had was that there are going to be criminal prosecutions of people involved in the 2020 election. Now, that could be Jack Smith, it could be people on his staff. It could be people like me who are lawyers, could be people on the Biden campaign who the hell knows what Donald Trump's adult brain is thinking. But, you know, when you add all those things up, it's clear where we stand, which is that Donald Trump lost the election. He has spread. He has built a movement on a big lie. Of course, Jack Smith could approve proven that. And Donald Trump is now going to abuse the Department of Justice to go after everybody who tells the truth, separated.
Steve Bannon
By a Giant ocean. It's a war that should have never started. And it wouldn't have started if the 2020 US presidential election weren't rigged. It was a rigged election. Everybody now knows that they found out. People will soon be prosecuted for what they did. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. There's no got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Thursday, 22 January year of alert 2026. What a way to start off the first day of the second, I guess the second day of the second year of President Trump's third win for the presidency. Julie Kelly joins us. Julie, because Rachel Maddows are going to have a special night. We're going to get called that do more of this tomorrow. Just my observation, because I don't know the details to the level you know the details to. I know the details of 2020 and how President Trump won and January 6, but the rest of it is your area of expertise. One thing I will say that I know MSNBC and CNN very well of watching us so much and curating years all the way back from the Breitbart days. There's a lot of long faces over. There's a lot of knitted brows. Nicole Wallace had, you know, they had Mark up there and they had Weissman up there and they had Wagner up there. They're long faces, they're not celebratory. So today, just as an observation from how they drive narratives, Nicole Wallace looked very upset. Katie Turby, for that looked upset. Give us your assessment. Why is MSNBC and CNN not spiking the football? This is supposed to be their day. This is the day they were going to humiliate Trump, they're going to humiliate maga. This is. They've been waiting for this a long time, ma'.
Julie Kelly
Am. Right. I have noticed that and I've noticed the other side of us to typically crowing and swooning over Jack Smith on social media. They're awfully quiet as well, because I think this was a disaster for Jack Smith. And I want to give kudos to several of the House Judiciary Committee members, including Chairman Jordan. They really, for the most part, had their act together. I think they were focused. I think they had collaborated on the areas that they were really going to zone in on Jack Smith. I think they took enough time talking about his collection, his unconstitutional, unlawful collection of subpoenas for the phone records of U.S. senators and House members. I didn't want them to spend too much time on that. I don't think that they did. And they did tie into the larger unconstitutional behavior of Jack Smith. And I think there were some interesting nuggets that were disclosed today that the committee, Republican leaders in both the House and Senate, and perhaps the Department of Justice should follow up on. And I think that Smith's testimony opened the door, just like last December, for at least some false statement charges against him and certainly other charges related to his misconduct as special counsel.
Steve Bannon
False statements. Are you implying that Jack Smith perjured himself today?
Julie Kelly
Well, I think he perjured himself on a couple of instances. And I brought this up in my piece, my substack piece. Number one, he claimed under oath last month and today that Donald Trump obstructed the investigation into classified documents. That is a provable lie. Jack Smith also claiming last month and today the classified documents, highly sensitive documents, classified documents were found in boxes in a ballroom and bathroom at Mar A Lago. That is not true. There is no way the Jack Smith could prove that. In fact, at the end of the documents case, before Judge Cannon tossed that indictment In July of 2024, one of his lead prosecutors had to disclose that they didn't even know if these alleged classified papers were in the boxes that had been moved around Mar a Lago that represented the basis of the obstruction charge. I know I'm getting in the details here, but he's making claims under oath about these cases that he cannot prove. And I hope that the DOJ and Congress follows up on that.
Steve Bannon
Yeah, these are not small things. The obstruction, accusing President Trump of obstruction, and also the boxes. These are not marginal issues. Anyway, we're gonna take a short break. We're gonna come back. I wanna do another drill down. Particularly, I agree with you, the shout out to Jim Jordan and the very organized because, you know, I was the first to say, hey, I don't. Gaetz is not around. I don't know if I'm feeling or not. Very, very organized. It was Jamie Raskin and his team. But it was theatrics and of course, the cops, Particularly Fanon. Outrageous behavior by a psycho. We'll get into all that. Colonel Ivan Reichland is going to join us. There was a confrontation. A confrontation. And Fanon had to be removed. We will get into all that. Birch Gold. Take your phone out. Text Bannon B A N N O N at 989-898. Get the ultimate guide. It's free. No obligation to investing in gold and Precious Metals in the Age of Trouble. It's a quick read and you get access to Philip Patrick and the team at Birch. There's a lot of politicians that should be getting coal in their stockings for Christmas. But Birch Gold thinks as a smart planner, you deserve silver. That's why for every $5,000 you purchase between now and December 22nd, Birch Gold will send you an ounce of silver free. Remember, silver is up over 60% this year and over $60 an ounce. You see, smart people diversify and have a hedge. That's why I encourage you to buy gold from Birch Gold. With the rate cuts from the Fed in 2026, the dollar will be worth less. And what happens if the AI bubble burst? Diversify. Let Birch Gold Group help you convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IR IRA and physical gold. Let me repeat that. Physical gold. And for every $5,000 you buy, you'll get an ounce of silver for your stocking or for your kids. What a great way to teach them about saving smartly. Just text my name, Bannon B A N N O N to 989-898 to claim your eligibility for this offer. Again, text Bannon Bannon to the number 989-898 today. Because Birch Gold's free silver with qualifying purchase promotion ends the 22nd of December of this year. Make sure you text Bannon 298-9898. Do it today. War room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner. Okay, we're gonna get to Julie Kelly momentarily because this is so important. I want to go to Ben Berkram. By the way, Blockbuster news in Minnesota. This is how good I've been telling you. Lindell's on a roll. Amy Klobuchar announcing she's filing paperwork to potentially run for governor. That's how. That's how well Lindell's doing. They're bringing. They're taking her out of the Senate to bring in a heavy gun against Mike Lindell. More about that later. So much going into Minnesota today. I'm gonna have to get that berquam. You're in. You're in Baltimore at an anti ICE town hall. This insurrection spreading city to city. What do you got for us?
John Fredericks
Yeah, Steve, this is.
Ben Berkwam
So they're calling themselves. It's the People's Power Assembly. It's basically another version of Democratic Socialists of America. The Act Blue, the Revolutionary Communists, all these same groups. So they're coming out, having a town hall today. No ice, no war, no racism, Declare Baltimore a, a zone of peace. So I'm coming out. I love peace, man. I'm just gonna ask the question. Can we get peace for ice? Can we get peace for their families? Can we get peace for America so we stop burning it down?
Steve Bannon
We're gonna see.
Ben Berkwam
So we're gonna head in there.
Steve Bannon
Yeah, but hang on, but hang on, hang on, hang on. You. You. You and Poso always revert back to your troll tendencies when I met you and fleeted you up to actual major reports. So be careful. These people are dangerous. Yeah, I know, but. No, but these people. Don't, don't. I'm just saying you can do that, but just be careful.
Ben Berkwam
Yeah. Legitimate questions scare the left, and so they automatically turn typically to violence. Name calling and violence. I'm hoping that doesn't happen. I'm really hoping that doesn't happen, but, you know, we'll see.
Steve Bannon
Yeah, well, hope. Well, hope is not a strategy. You just got to be careful. You're too valuable, what you're doing. Just my point is these people are very dangerous. I try to. I try to make you in Posto and Lindell understand that, but you're onto a theme. Across the country, they're now saying these are peace zones. They're not sanctuary cities. They want peace zones and to have peace, you've got to remove ice. How is that going to sit with Tom Homan and Bovino and these guys that you know very well they're actually executing on the President's plan?
Ben Berkwam
Well, it's kind of like the religion of peace. It only exists. It's only peaceful if you capitulate and you accept the subjugation. It's the same thing with the left. They want peace as long as you do exactly what they say they want freedom of thought as long as you think exactly like they think. They want individualism as long as everyone's the exact same in their communist socialist mindsets. So that's really the only thing. It's not going to change Vivino. It's not going to change Tom Homan. It's not going to change any of the ICE officers who are doing their job to protect these cities. And what's ironic about it is you want to actually get peace in your city. You invite ICE in to get the bad guys out. The exact opposite. But it's like everything, it's all projection.
Steve Bannon
We don't, we don't have time for this debate now. But it's not the band guys. It's all of them. But that's okay. We're going to get some company raids and purple walks and CEOs. Where do people go? Give me your social media. Give me yours. Give me your social media and stay safe.
Ben Berkwam
At Real AM Voice on all platforms. Real America's Voice, Ben Berkwam. And by the way, if you want to support ice, you don't want to say you want to do it. The left as you want to say, God bless. We have our nonprofit frontline america foundation.org we've got several things coming up that you guys can be supportive of. Frontline America, Frontline America Foundation.org or my website, Frontline America. Frontline America.com. too many words. God bless you, Steve.
Julie Kelly
Stay.
Ben Berkwam
Stay tun.
Steve Bannon
The reason got okay, we will. The reason I'm warning him is because Fanon there, there was violence today in the hearing room, and Fanon should have been tossed immediately, but he wasn't. The colonel will be here in a second. Julie Kelly, the reason I asked you this is that it started off Jordan was very methodical at the beginning. Jamie Raskin came out very theatrical. And I go, oh, my God, here we go. They're going to win this. And it turned out, correct me if I'm wrong. And I can tell this from the long faces on MSNBC on the panel because they had nothing but starters on their side. They did not stick the landing, did they?
Julie Kelly
No, I don't think so. They really were struggling. At one point, they were interrupting. Even Jack Smith when he was trying to answer the Democrats were, they were so riled up about the directness of the lines of questioning from Republicans. So you could see at the end, then Jamie Raskin at the end said, well, if this report on the documents case is allowed to be released by the court, we're going to have Jack Smith back here so he can answer questions, questions about the documents case. So I think that's a telling sign. If they thought that this was a home run. Jamie Raskin, you know, shrewd, shrewd as he is, he would say, all right, that's all we need to hear from Jack Smith. But he was hinting that he might want to have him come back a third time. So, no, it definitely was a disaster for Jack Smith. I think that there are still a lot of things that we need to learn and expose as to what he did in both of those cases. And hopefully there will be another opportunity. I think the Senate wants to call him in as well. So let's hope that that's the case. And of course the Senate will be interested primarily because they're mad the Jack Smith got their toll records, understandably so. But there's a lot more that Senate Republicans can do to further expose the corruption, the decept deception, the unconstitutionality, the criminality of Jack Smith and his entire team. So I hope that Senate Republicans will proceed.
Steve Bannon
You've been, you've, you've, you've been by far, I think, the harshest critic of, of Smith because you followed it and been in court day by day of this. You actually laid out a 10 prong approach to this. So you laid out the, you followed it intimately. You've been very critical in the moment of Smith. I mean, calling him things that even other people haven't called him. You laid out a game plan of what you had to do. Now we've had it. Are you satisfied that this was carried out the best way possibly can by the House Judiciary on the Republican side?
Julie Kelly
I mean, I think they did a very commendable job. Obviously, as we just said, however, most of the malfeasance by Jack Smith and his team happened in the documents case. And Jack Smith is claiming, because that report is under seal and Judge Cannon will not allow the release of it because the indictment was dismissed, that he wouldn't be able to answer questions on it. Fine. I still think there's enough on the table, a missed opportunity today to confront him about the FBI's use bringing those colored classified cover sheets to the Mar A Lago raid, attaching them to files and taking photographs, adding that to a court document, getting that out to the media to make it look like that's how the documents were found. I think misrepresentations to the court and mishandling evidence, which we know that came out in the documents case as well. Jay Bratt, his lead henchman, who was threatening defense counsel Stanley Woodward, who's now in the White House representing Walt Nada. So threatening Stanley Woodward if that, if he got Nada to flip on the President and become a cooperating witness, then they wouldn't put a brick on his judicial nomination, which was pending at the time in Washington. D.C. the piercing of attorney client privilege in that case, thanks to Barrel hell, the what appellate court judges slammed the pursuit the subpoena of the President's private Twitter data, along with the non disclosure order that also claimed he would be a flight risk if he found out about the Twitter. So there's so much more attached to the documents case. I think that demonstrates his malfeasance, his misconduct, his team's misconduct because the January 6th case was basically put on ice for almost seven, eight months pending the Supreme Court's immunity decision. There just wasn't a lot happening there. But all the action was really in Florida. So if this does go to the Senate or Jack Smith comes back again, or the DOJ is looking at areas to investigate and potentially bring charges, the documents case to me. And yes, you're right, I covered, I think every single hearing in Florida. And of course, all the proceedings dating back to the special master case after the raid, there's just a lot more, more there. So hopefully they'll be able to dig into that before it's too late.
Steve Bannon
They spend an inordinate amount of time. I mean, Jordan, when he started off, did go back to some of the Russia gate thing. I thought we were going to get kind of bogged down in that for a while, but that kind of got dropped. But they reiterated Trump lost 2020. I mean they were, they were making this over and over again. Trump lost 2020. President Trump actually in Davos said, hey, not only when 2020 indictments are coming in this, do you have any sense what President Trump's talking about? And why did the Democrats go back time and time again like every, almost every speaker? Trump lost 2020. He knows he lost 2020. Finally had the congressman go, hey, look, I don't know about you 15 guys speak to him more than I do. I spoke to him, Donald Trump, and I will say this, Donald Trump, 1 million percent believes he won 2020. Why did they keep going back to 2020 and why did Trump pick yesterday to talk about indicting people?
Julie Kelly
Well, I do think that we are going to be learning a lot more about the 2020 election. I think there are very serious investigations going on about what happened there, not just here, but in other places around the world. So we'll see what they come up with. But of course, as people were pointing out today, we are just learning, we have just learned about proven election fraud in Georgia. So when confronting Jack Smith, who's saying it was a fraud, for the to talk about crime of fraud, to talk about election fraud, when he knew it was wrong. Well, no, he didn't know it was wrong. To this day, he's still saying that there was fraud in the election. So that wipes away the entire basis of Jack Smith's J6 indictment against the President. But of course, we've learned a lot more since even this indictment was handed down in 2023 about voting and election fraud in all of those states. So I think he also felt cornered on the basis of that indictment, the weakness of the evidence, the weakness of the charges that he brought. So, you know, maybe this will just have be one of those weird karmic periods where everything kind of comes together. Jack Smith having to defend this criminal indictment based on the President's belief that the the 2020 election was stolen and also new evidence that that actually is the case.
Steve Bannon
Julie Hanger for one second there was a confrontation today. In fact, the psycho Fanon conducted himself in a manner he should have been removed immediately. Anyway, we'll get to all that. Birchgold.com promo code WAR room or promo code Bannon into the dollar empire. Find out why central banks throughout the world are buying gold at record rates and why gold and silver are on a tear. Find out today and talk to Philip Patrick and the Team Patriots. Listen up. For a limited time, Patriot Mobile is running their Red, White and Blue Friday promotion. Your once a year chance to get a free smartphone just for switching to America's only Christian conservative wireless provider, a brand new phone absolutely free while supplies last. For over 12 years, Patriot Mobile has defended faith, family and freedom while giving you the same or better premium coverage on all three major US Networks. Unlimited data, mobile hotspots, international roaming, they do it all. When you switch, you never sacrifice quality or service. Hundreds of thousands have joined the movement because every bill supports the first Amendment, the second Amendment, the sanctity of life and our veterans and first responders. Switching is easy. Keep your number, keep your phone or upgrade to that free smartphone. Today. Their 100% US based team can activate you in minutes. Go to patriotmobile.com Bannon that's all one word. Patriotmobile.com Bannon or call 972 Patriot and use promo code Bannon. Don't wait. This limited time offer won't last. That's patriot mobile.com Bannon or call 972 Patriot with promo code Bannon. You're going to get an East Texas an East Texas accent and you're going to get an American citizen on the phone. So join me today. Make the switch today at 972 Patriot promo code. Bannon. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. I don't want to give too much away, but let's say even Homan's appearance today, there might have been some issues regarding that about potential violence. You saw the church in Minneapolis. The violence these people are getting. They're dangerous. And the more desperate they get, particularly when they know they're not going to win and not going to get control back. They're going to get more and more dangerous. I want everybody on the side. This is why. Ben. I got a lecture. Ben and post all the time. You just can't. These are not normal times. You have to be very careful. Julie Kelly's going to stick with me. She's got to bounce. But she wants to be part of this, as I know she does. This guy Fanon I think is a psycho and been a dangerous guy for a while. He's not a stable individual. There's an incident today in this hearing. I don't think it was handled appropriately. I think he should have been removed immediately. But let's go ahead and play. We got Colonel Ivan Reichland's with us. Let's go ahead and play the video and I'll bring the Colonel in and then Julie's got some comments. Hey, Michael. Hey, what's up buddy?
Republican Committee Member
Ivan. Ray.
Colonel Ivan Reichland
Why do you have to swear at me?
John Fredericks
What's that?
Colonel Ivan Reichland
Why do you have to swear at me?
Steve Bannon
Oh, dude, don't pretend like we're not mortal enemies.
Colonel Ivan Reichland
Well, why do you have to lose.
Steve Bannon
Your cool like that?
Colonel Ivan Reichland
I've been always professional with you. Every single time I communicate yourself, I.
Steve Bannon
Am always with you other people to.
Colonel Ivan Reichland
Contain your Tourette syndrome.
Steve Bannon
Okay, I'm not gonna get from that. You've threatened my family and you've threatened my trader to this country.
Colonel Ivan Reichland
Spasmodic?
Steve Bannon
Am I spasmodic?
Colonel Ivan Reichland
Absolutely. Behind you.
Steve Bannon
Do something.
Colonel Ivan Reichland
Why should I?
Julie Kelly
I'm communicating.
Colonel Ivan Reichland
Communicating with you and trying to calm you down.
Steve Bannon
Right.
Colonel Ivan Reichland
Look at your face. You can't even control yourself. You can't even be amazing. See how many people are constraining you.
Steve Bannon
Come get me.
Colonel Ivan Reichland
Look at me. Total control over my mind and body.
Steve Bannon
And I'm totally dominating you right now.
Julie Kelly
Sir.
Steve Bannon
Sir. Totally dominant. Sir.
Republican Committee Member
Sir.
Colonel Ivan Reichland
Let's step aside.
Julie Kelly
I'm not.
Steve Bannon
This guy is threatening my family. Threatened my children. Threatened my. Threatened to rape my children.
Republican Committee Member
Oh really?
Ben Berkwam
My children.
Steve Bannon
You sick. Rape my children.
Colonel Ivan Reichland
More people need to contain him. Cuz I'm completely.
Democratic Committee Member
Sir.
Republican Committee Member
Always.
Democratic Committee Member
Listen.
Steve Bannon
Yeah, but where's the thing we did we play the thing where he Coughs in his hands at first. Yeah, can we call for that right now? That's very important. I want to see that. Let's get this up right away. This happened, I think, earlier and they should have been removed and not allowed back in. Can we go ahead and play it? Okay, sir, that is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the crap you were shoveling did not pass the smell test with the American people. To put it bluntly, Mr. Smith, the stink remains on you. And lastly, I would like to quickly address the police officers of January 6th. Mr. Dunn, Mr. Fanon, Mr. Gonell, Mr. Hodges. I'm a member of the new select committee to actually examine, actually examine what happened that day. And I can tell you, gentlemen that the fault does not lie with Donald Trump.
Democratic Committee Member
It lies with Yogananda Pittman and the.
Steve Bannon
U.S. capitol leadership team. We know.
Democratic Committee Member
We know they had the intelligence and.
Steve Bannon
There was going to be a high propensity for violence that day. Claim my time. Yeah, you will be in order. The time belongs to the gentleman from Texas.
Democratic Committee Member
We've had some disruptions already.
John Fredericks
We don't need that.
Steve Bannon
Let the gentleman.
John Fredericks
The gentleman may continue.
Steve Bannon
Fanon just told a congressman to f off. He should have been removed right then and not allowed back in. This is a dangerous psycho. Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie. And MSMC puts him up all the time. I noticed he wasn't on this afternoon. Colonel Reichland, talk to us about this confrontation. What happened?
Colonel Ivan Reichland
I was just there attending to basically analyze what Jack Smith was going to do and speak about and see how the Republicans were going to treat him as a witness. And then I saw immediately that the four key witnesses on what I call the January 6th fed direction cover up committee that Pelosi utilized, Fanon, Dunn, as referenced by Troy Nels, were sitting present. So during the break, I ended up sitting in the middle, where I normally sit, right, right behind the witness in order to gain more attention on the actual hearing. Because most people don't have the stamina wherewithal to watch a hearing. But sometimes when I'm there, it increases viewership, hopefully. And I saw Mr. Fanon and I put my hand out. You saw the entire exchange. I put my hand out and I said, michael Ivan Raichlin. And he immediately went into meltdown mode. I don't know, maybe there needs to be a new verb known as phenoning out. Because he clearly has no dominion over. Over his emotional state. He's a danger to society. He's already. I mean, he was a danger on January 6th. Imagine this if he acts this in this manner in a professional hearing in the halls of Congress with total disregard not only of the hearing, but he also effectively assaulted the U.S. the female U.S. capitol Police officer that was trying to restrain him, along with his three colleagues, if you will, or cohorts, in the Fed's direction. This, I mean, I agree with Julie Kelly and I think. Thank you for posting this, Julie. I know we have, we've had our differences, but my goal is to get to the truth and expose it. And I may do it in a manner that, you know, most people are not comfortable with, but it's to move the Overton window. And when I'm in person, I'm always going to maintain my calm, cool and professional demeanor. And it was, I'm happy that I had the opportunity to juxtapose the way I comported myself with a completely unhinged animal, if you will. That was a Metropolitan Police Department officer that has a history of committing violence.
Steve Bannon
So hang on. So Colonel, explain to me. Just get the timeline when Nels was. And Nels has done a deep dive investigation of this. And Nels I think is a like a former sheriff or police officer. He's a very serious guy. I think he's not going to run this time. His twin brother thinks going to run for his seat. But he's a very serious guy, particularly on police activity and he's done a deep investigation of this. When he specifically called him out and said, hey, it's a Capitol Hill police got a lot to answer for here. And Fanon basically said F off and didn't hide it that much. Why was Fanon not removed? Why was he not removed immediately from the room? You can't do that in a congressional hearing. I've never seen that happen before.
Colonel Ivan Reichland
I expected for him to be removed and not to return after he had that interaction with myself because it took many to restrain him, U.S. capitol Police officers came up to me and said, hey, sir. I said, I'm fine. I'm just standing here. I tried to be professional with him and then I sat down and he continued to escalate. And then when he went after and disrupted and that's a clear disruption, had I done that, that would have been an instant removal of me out of the room and an immediate arrest. And then he starts laying down this defamation claiming that I went after him and his children. I've never threatened a single person. I shine light and I expose people. But that's not illegal. That's just me exercising my First Amendment to The maximum. One thing about Troy Nells I want to mention here is that I like calling balls and strikes. I get it. Troy Nells. Over the years I've been talking to him and we've been trying to expose the US Capitol Police's role in the Fed's direction, which more and more people are starting to see how that's played out. But what he did at the last hearing, the first January 6th select subcommittee, when he essentially said that the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys were the ones that, that caused what happened on January 6, he may not know that the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are co defendants in two civil lawsuits against the President of the United States, Donald Trump. So when Troy Nels says that the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are doing that and are essentially guilty, he's doing 90% of the Liz Cheney talking points along with Jamie Raskin and Mr. Moskowitz. So I think he needs to correct himself and immediately recant that because that is going to be used if the Democrats take over in November, in the next Congress. They're going to use the commuted Oath Keepers and Proud Boys to get Donald Trump for insurrection. Right now they're in pause mode. I think the cleanest way for President Trump to make that moot would be to pardon both the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys. Mind you, none of them were violent or accused of violence that day, except for maybe one Proud Boy, which actually committed and was charged with less violent than the 200 plus that were were pardoned for alleged violence.
Steve Bannon
Colonel, hang on for a second. I want to make sure we get up here in the testimony. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your point about them taking over in November and we get back into the cycle is not just Ivan, you know, trying to get traction or trying to get traffic reviewers. The Democrats teed it up today and Jack Smith said, hey, yeah, this thing is, is, is not over yet. I mean, they fully intend, obviously they fully intend to come after President Trump if they take the House of Representatives in November. Is there any doubt in your mind about that?
Colonel Ivan Reichland
I think it already started on Saturday in Virginia. The lawfare that Jack Smith, I think Jack Smith's testimony here fuels the Abby Spamberger, the John Brennan lackey Abby Spamberger and her violent rhetorical Attorney General Jay Jones to go ahead and conduct law firm against this administration that lives or works in Virginia in order to protect John Brennan. I mean, I think they may also have had a, probably a role in the removal of Lindsey Halligan. All of this interplays, in my opinion, I don't have any direct evidence of it, but this is just my analytic understanding of all the key individuals as I put it all together. I think that law for escalates now in Virginia and then further continues beyond all measurements. If the Democrats win the House specifically come November and they've already done several assassination attempts, I don't expect them to go less than what they've done before. They've only shown a propensity over the last 1112 years to escalate into further political violence. And if this, if Mr. Fanon is not arrested, I expect him to continue his rhetoric and probably it will turn into violence.
Steve Bannon
No, his behavior today was totally incompletely unacceptable. He should have been removed and I agree, arrested right away. Real quickly. We only got a couple of minutes left. And I want to remind people that the colonel, every time I was in federal court in D.C. the colonel was there to back off the bad guys and to make sure he sat through these hearings. Give me your assessment, take two minutes. Give me your assessment today of Jack Smith because we're saying the msnbc, cnn, the Democrats got pretty long faces. They're not spiking the football now. By the time Rachel Maddow comes on tonight for her special, they may have regrouped, but coming out of there, they were not high fiving. Why was that?
Colonel Ivan Reichland
No, I think they cannot defend the actions in the rhetoric of Mr. Fanon. And then also you have now you have Lindell tv. You have real America's voice like Ben Berkram. You have the free speech independent not tethered to the machine conservative media that calls balls and strikes that they did not, they, they didn't have to contend with that over the last five years of weaponization. We're now dominating, like I said to Mr. Fanon in the information narrative. And so they don't know what to do. And so they're squirming because there's more of us that are exposing them one by one by one.
Steve Bannon
Ivan, give your, what are your cross tabs? Where do people go to pick up you on social media? Because you're putting stuff out on this all the time. And quite frank. You've been brilliant about connecting what's happening in Virginia. Remember, Spanberger wants to be Newsom's vice president. That's why she's dropping the hammer day one. She is a radical. She's going 10 to 1 on this house situation in Virginia and that will almost ensure President Trump's impeachment. That's why it's so dangerous. You're connecting the dots here, particularly this radical, they've got his attorney general gonna start coming after people in the Commonwealth of Virginia, folks that live there. Where do people go on your social media to keep track of all your investigative reports?
Colonel Ivan Reichland
Yeah, absolutely. Thanks, Steve. It's Ivan Rakelin on X. I'm also in getter. Ivan Rakeland substack rumble. One last point on Virginia is that if they move to redistrict and flip three House seats, we're at a tie in the House. So I don't know how that's going to look. You might see impeachments well before the November election if other states follow suit that are Democrat controlled because the Republicans are going to continue to be cowards and allow that to happen. So we, the war room posse has to make sure we push back and not allow that to happen.
Steve Bannon
Thank you, sir. I appreciate you.
Colonel Ivan Reichland
Yes, sir.
Steve Bannon
John Fredericks told me today at the RNC meeting out on the west coast. They have basically said today they, they are not going to contest this proposition on the ballot. I think April 1st in Virginia, they're going to rely, they're going to rely upon a heavily Democratic court. How did that work out for how to work out for people? Right? How did that work out for Youngkin and the team that's destroyed the Republican party in the commonwealth for a generation Houses Everybody said, oh, she's not going to go 10 1. She's got, she's all pedal and no break right now. All gas and no break in the Commonwealth. That's going to get to be a bigger and bigger issue as we get throughout the year.
Colonel Ivan Reichland
Short break.
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John Fredericks
Yes, thank you, Steve. So this incident occurred with a 29 year old inmate who is serving a six year sentence for stabbing her own fiance three times in his back with a knife. She also stabbed her own brother in his hand with a knife. Here's Tina in the video pulling a swamp cooler toward a closet. They need a swamp cooler in Tina's unit because it's so hot in there they can't sleep. It gets above 90 degrees in the winter because the H vac controls don't work. The young woman who just walked past is the assailant. She's the one who initiates contact. You'll see her coming out of the bathroom and she's now screaming at Tina. And then she reaches in and throws a punch. And then Tina blocks the punch with her left arm and grabs hold of the assailant's right wrist and then pushes her away and then disengages. So the assailant initiated the incident and Tina disengaged from it. So that's the story.
Colonel Ivan Reichland
What is this?
Steve Bannon
Yeah, so that's the story. So what are you guys going to do about. Because they want to keep her in prison for another 10 years with this assault.
John Fredericks
Sure.
Steve Bannon
Because they take, they take prison fights very seriously, having been in prison.
John Fredericks
This is a photograph of the bruise on Tina's left arm. That's where she blocked the punch. And you can't see the punch because it was behind the door, but she hit the assailant's right fist hit Tina's left arm above the elbow and the bruise extends down below the elbow. And before this happened, the assailant was screaming, you disrespected me. And Tina said, calm down, we can work this out. I'll move the cooler if you want to get into the closet. And then the gal throws a punch at her. And it would have hit Tina in the face if she hadn't blocked it with her left arm. So you can see, if people look at that video again, they can see that when they come out, Tina's left hand has gripped the right wrist of her assailant to keep her from punching Again. And then Tina's right hand is pushing the gal backwards. And when they get to the end, when Tina disengages, the gal says to her, you know, we're on camera. So it's obvious somebody put her up to this. So Tina has filed an assault.
Steve Bannon
We got a bounce with the. With the Bureau of Prisons, the color of Bureau prisons.
John Fredericks
Tina's filed an assault complaint against her assailant with the Colorado Bureau Department of Corrections. And if people want to help Tina or find out more, go to tinapeters Us. That's tinapeters us. Thank you, Steve.
Steve Bannon
John, thank you. You're fighting the good fight, and they're trying to entrap her all the time. This is huge. We got to get her past this because they're going to try to keep her in. They're going to try to use this to keep her in. You watch these people. There's nothing they won't do to keep Tina Peters in prison. They don't want Tina Peters out talking to people. John Case, thank you very much. Grace and Mo and Elizabeth, can we push that out to the war on posse? Let's become force multipliers. Huge news. And so big news in Colorado. Big, big, big news in Minnesota. Amy Klobuchar has filed. This is blockbuster. Amy Klobuchar is sending the signal she's prepared to leave the United States Senate because Mike Lindell is on fire in the governor's race in Minnesota. And remember, this signals that they're prepared not to really have an attempt to hold the Senate because they put another whole seat in jeopardy in Minnesota to keep Lindell away from the books and records he would get his governor. How dirty do you think it is in Minnesota when they're pulling a sitting US Senator, which never happens in a year that they're fighting to take it over. They're pulling. There'll be two Senate races in Minnesota. They're pulling Cloverature, which when people first mentioned, says impossible. It'll never happen. Well, guess what? It's in motion. And it's in motion because they fear the guy they used to mock at my Pella. They ain't mocking him anymore. They're pulling a city senator out because they understand he's on a tear. Mike Lindell. We're just here to sell some beds and toppers. But I got to tell you, I've been dead right on this thing from the beginning. You're striking the fear of God into the progressive establishment in Minnesota. And as a businessman and the way you run your business, mathematically right with quantitative analysis. They don't want you anywhere near the books and records that you would have as governor. Now, right now, I want you to sell me a topper and a mattress. Okay, get back to work.
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Date: January 23, 2026
Title: Jack Smith Hearing: Lies and Meltdown
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Guests/Contributors: Julie Kelly, Colonel Ivan Raiklin, Ben Berkwam, John Fredericks & others
This episode centers on a contentious Congressional hearing featuring Special Counsel Jack Smith, focusing on the aftermath of January 6th, the 2020 election, and new claims of prosecutorial misconduct. Stephen K. Bannon and guest analyst Julie Kelly break down the hearing, the reactions of both parties, and what they see as the unraveling strategy of Democrats and mainstream media. The episode also dives into explosive altercations during the hearing, the potential legal trouble for Jack Smith, and broader themes of alleged political weaponization and election integrity.
Notable Quote:
Notable Moment:
Democrats invoke Capitol police officers as heroic defenders, criticizing Republicans for "rewriting history" in front of them (05:56).
Notable Quote:
“I have noticed … the other side of us to typically crowing and swooning over Jack Smith on social media. They're awfully quiet as well, because I think this was a disaster for Jack Smith.” — Julie Kelly (11:05)
Notable Quote:
“He claimed under oath … that Donald Trump obstructed the investigation into classified documents. That is a provable lie ... I hope that the DOJ and Congress follows up on that.” — Julie Kelly (12:39)
Notable Quote:
“If they thought that this was a home run ... he would say, all right, that's all we need to hear from Jack Smith. But he was hinting ... he might want to have him come back a third time.” — Julie Kelly (20:57)
Notable Points:
Notable Quote:
“He's still saying that there was fraud in the election. So that wipes away the entire basis of Jack Smith's J6 indictment … we've learned a lot more since even this indictment was handed down ... about voting and election fraud.” — Julie Kelly (26:32)
Memorable Exchange:
Notable Quote:
“They're going to try to keep her in. … There's nothing they won't do to keep Tina Peters in prison.” — Steve Bannon (48:44)
Episode 5088 of Bannon's War Room provides a robust, often fiery recounting of the Jack Smith Congressional hearing, framing events as a disastrous day for Democrats and Special Counsel Smith. The show decries what it sees as Democratic theatrics and mainstream media failures, hails the Republican performance, details allegations of prosecutorial misconduct, and spotlights the volatility and deep divide in American politics. The explosive confrontation in the hearing room stands out, encapsulating the high emotion and polarization of the ongoing standoff over the 2020 election and January 6th.