Episode 5097: You Blink And They Win; We Are No Way Near Done With The Fight

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room – Episode 5097

Title: "You Blink And They Win; We Are No Way Near Done With The Fight"
Date: January 27, 2026
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Guests: General Michael Flynn, Doug Mackey, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry (clip), Rachel Maddow (clip), others

Main Theme and Purpose

This episode of War Room, hosted by Stephen K. Bannon, dives deep into the aftermath and implications of the Trump administration’s aggressive immigration enforcement operation in Minneapolis, dubbed "Operation Metro Surge." The discussion pivots on the retreat of federal forces following widespread protest, the framing of this as evidence of a larger ideological and political war within the country, and the necessity—according to the hosts and guests—of a more uncompromising and organized response from the MAGA movement against what they describe as Marxist revolutionary forces. The episode is a mix of analysis, strategy discussion, criticism of the current administration's reactions, and calls to action for Bannon’s audience.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Operation Metro Surge and Its Political Fallout

• Mayor Jacob Fry’s perspective
  • Fry describes direct communication with President Trump and his administration, seeking an end to mass ICE raids and a fair investigation into the deaths of Alex Preddy and Renee Macklin Goode.
  • Fry details telling the president that the federal presence is “unsustainable” and that “no one wants this.”

    “I told him that this is unsustainable. And I said, quite honestly, no one wants this. And I hope that’s true. No one wants this.” — Jacob Fry (00:58)

• Federal Response
  • Rachel Maddow (via clips) emphasizes that, under pressure, the Trump administration has been compelled to withdraw Border Patrol’s Greg Bovino and reduce federal agent presence, calling it “a violent occupation” and “full retreat.”
  • Maddow frames the protest movement as broad-based, inclusive, and ultimately victorious in forcing a federal climbdown.
• Political Context
  • Discussion about how protest and local action are “way stronger than Donald Trump and way stronger than the worst designs of the Trump administration.” — Rachel Maddow (04:29)

2. Reactions from the Right: Framing as a War

• Bannon’s Framing
  • Bannon claims this is not merely a tactical retreat but a symptom of existential struggle for the country: "This is the primal scream of a dying regime..." (11:48)
  • He castigates the administration for yielding ground and being overly influenced by conventional political actors and business interests unwilling to support mass deportations.
  • Makes the distinction between “cloudy days” and “sunny days” in civilizational struggles, advising his audience to understand this moment as a setback, not a defeat (16:36–18:00).
• Flynn’s Perspective
  • General Flynn compares the situation to historical denazification, urging that American political and cultural institutions will also need a process to remove “demagification” (07:44).
  • Calls for a "People's Council" to advise the president, claiming he’s not being properly briefed by the Washington bureaucracy (39:05–41:12).
  • Warns of a Marxist ideological movement, “a religion,” operating in American streets, universities, and government.

    “We are facing a hardcore and a hardened Marxist ideological group of people that is larger than most people understand. They are well trained, they're well resourced, they're active...” — Gen. Flynn (33:03)

3. Judiciary and Bureaucracy as Points of Contest

• Doug Mackey’s Case Study
  • Mackey, arrested for posting a meme, argues his prosecution is evidence of a weaponized judicial system.
  • Claims the justice system is a front in the “domestic insurgency,” with deep-state bureaucrats targeting MAGA figures regardless of who sits in the Oval Office.

    “This is a domestic insurgency. I believe it is a war and it goes, it runs from the streets all the way to the governor's offices of some of these blue states and into the federal judiciary.” — Doug Mackey (47:19)

• Bannon on Republican Weakness
  • Critiques Republicans for years of inaction on immigration and for current softness, suggesting they are “almost as guilty” as Democrats for failing to support the “field commanders.”
  • Describes the legal profession as deeply radicalized, shaped by elite institutions, and unwilling to support conservative causes (50:38–52:57).

4. The Left’s Strategy: Revolution, Not Reform

• Marxist Framing
  • Bannon and Flynn repeat that the “issue is not the issue; the issue is the revolution,” referencing Saul Alinsky’s tactics (39:05–41:12).
  • Warn of a "Red-Green" alliance, radical lawfare, and external funding allegedly from the CCP and other foreign entities.
  • Both warn against underestimating the spiritual and ideological commitment of leftist activists; Andy Ngo and James O’Keefe are cited as witnesses to this radical resolve.

    “These are not summer soldiers for their cause and their cause is evil and it's demonic. But they've embraced it.” — Stephen K. Bannon (36:51)

5. Call to Action: Local Organizing and Unyielding Resistance

• Flynn’s Prescriptions
  • Urges the audience to focus on local action, in counties and churches, as national politics will not remedy the situation (41:18).
• MAGA Must Not Blink
  • The overarching message: if MAGA movement concedes again (“blinks”), the opposition will win by attrition.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• Bannon on the gravity of the moment:

  “This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.” (11:48)

• Rachel Maddow on grassroots protest:

  “United States persistent, earnest, creative, peaceful protests that have not relented for a minute in Minneapolis... are way stronger than Donald Trump and way stronger than the worst designs of the Trump administration.” (04:29)

• Flynn on the ideological battle:

  “When you are bringing up that history the Nazis ultimately lost. Nazi ideology was outlawed through denazification. One day we will see the demagification of this country. It will come.” (07:44)

• Doug Mackey on his own prosecution:

  “For this, they brought Klan act charges for a law that's almost 150 years old that's meant for people being lynched, people being beaten up for voting or using their First Amendment rights. So this is the, the act they use against me. We're talking about weaponization, and it's unbelievable.” (48:27)

• Bannon, summarizing the left's tactics:

  “The issue is not the issue; it is the revolution... There’s nothing you can negotiate with them.” (36:51)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 0:00–1:46: Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry recounts call with President Trump about Operation Metro Surge and demands for federal withdrawal and investigation.
• 2:46–4:29: Rachel Maddow describes Trump administration’s retreat and the power of persistent, democratic protest in Minneapolis.
• 7:44–8:10: General Flynn draws historical comparisons to denazification and promises future “demagification.”
• 11:48–12:09: Bannon declares the Trump administration’s struggle as a “primal scream of a dying regime.”
• 16:36–18:00: Bannon elaborates on his “cloudy days versus sunny days” metaphor for long civilizational struggles.
• 32:04–33:03: Flynn outlines the scale and ideology of leftist opposition, warning of their training, resources, and commitment.
• 39:05–41:12: Flynn on the need for a new “People’s Council” and the “revolutionary” nature of current opposition.
• 47:19–48:27: Doug Mackey explains his arrest and prosecution as an example of judicial weaponization.
• 50:38–52:57: Bannon and Mackey discuss radicalization of the legal profession and judiciary.
• 41:18: Flynn emphasizes the importance of local action: “we’re not going to win it in Washington D.C.… That’s how we win this country back.”

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Structure and Tone

The episode’s tone is urgent and combative, bordering on apocalyptic in its assessment of political dynamics. Bannon and his guests consistently frame events as existential for the future of the country, cautioning that conventional politics is obsolete and that only maximalist resistance, organization, and ideological clarity can prevail.

Quotes are often martial or spiritual in nature, deliberately invoking metaphors of war, religious struggle, and historical figures and events (Nuremberg, denazification, Vietnam, etc.). Bannon and Flynn paint a vivid picture of besiegement and betrayal, urging their audience to see themselves as activists on the front lines rather than passive onlookers.

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In summary:
This episode of War Room depicts the federal scale-back in Minneapolis as a symptom of a deeper struggle—one that Bannon and his allies frame as civilizational warfare against a Marxist, revolutionary Left. Guests echo warnings about the ideological zeal and organization of their adversaries, highlight the supposed failures of Republican officials, and call on listeners to engage in local, grassroots action. The message: there’s no retreat, only escalation, and cloudy days are nothing new in what they insist is a long war for the identity and future of America.

Transcript

[Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry]

I would characterize along with the president. I think it was productive.

[Doug Mackey]

Yeah.

[Rachel Maddow]

So let's start with that call.

[General Michael Flynn]

I understand that you initiated it.

[Rachel Maddow]

Is that correct?

[Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry]

We asked for it a while back, and this was the time it finally they came through. I got an early morning call from the president's chief of staff, who we have been communicating with regularly several times a day, myself or my team, speaking with Susie Wiles, and she said, the president wants to speak with you. And they called back in to us, and we spoke for about 10 minutes, 10, 15 minutes.

[General Michael Flynn]

Did the president make any firm commitments.

[Rachel Maddow]

That the course of this immigration operation will change?

[Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry]

Well, I asked two things. We're clear. First of all, I asked that we have a fair and independent investigation into the murder of both Renee Goode and Alex and that we have to be able to do that. And he said, we'll look at that. We'll take a look at that. And I said, we just have to reduce these numbers. We started out with that. And he pledged, look, I'm going to send Tom home. Coming in will do things differently. He explained to me how he thought it was very successful in Louisiana, very successful in Louisville, which I shared with him. But ICE did not shoot anybody there. And the presence was much smaller and much more targeted, like they were doing actual ICE work. This is, as we've seen, massive, massive numbers. So it was cordial. I think he understood this. I told him that this is unsustainable. And I said, quite honestly, no one wants this. And I hope that's true. No one wants this.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

What about the investigation?

[General Michael Flynn]

I mean, you asked for him to.

[Rachel Maddow]

Allow state investigators into the fold regarding.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The deaths of Alex Preddy and Renee Macklin Goode.

[Rachel Maddow]

What precisely did he say in the first place?

[Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry]

He said he would look into it. And he said, look into it. I hear you. We'll look into it.

[Rachel Maddow]

And what if that doesn't happen?

[Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry]

Well, then we'll keep pushing. I mean, look, this is. And I want to be very careful here. I don't want to. And one of the reasons that I am staying a little behind the scenes and working constantly on those calls is that part of this is about how you're viewed by this White. I think listeners here in Minnesota know that I'm somewhat of a lightning rod for this administration. I certainly don't want to be that. But I've had to be speaking up about the atrocities that we're seeing and pushing back. So at this point in time, the president certainly seemed earnest. He pledged to me that we would do this, as I said, we've been in communication over the weekend with his team pretty extensively. I'm understanding now that. And he said he would have Tom Holman in here and we'll be in touch, I hope, later tonight. I'm understanding that Mr. Bevino and Kristi Noem are no longer going to be here. I would take that a step further. I would hope they're no longer in jobs because they've helped foster this. And we spoke a little bit and I tried to make the case about Alex. I just spent a set down hour with his cop.

[Rachel Maddow]

Donald Trump and the Trump administration bend and then break under pressure that it turns out they cannot handle. They underestimated the people of Minnesota and the strength of feeling in this country right now in support of the people of Minneapolis. Tonight, the Trump administration is pulling Border Patrol official Greg Bevino and some number of Border Patrol agents out of Minneapolis. We do not know if this is the end of what they've been calling Operation Metro Surge. This sustained very large scale paramilitary attack on the cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul. We don't know if it is the end of that operation full stop, but we know it's the end of something. Our latest reporting here at Ms. Now, per our reporters Carol Lennig and Mark Sant, is this quote, according to two officials briefed on the matter, Gregory Bevino is expected to be removed from commanding the operation in Minnesota possibly as early as tomorrow, meaning Tuesday. There will also be a reduction of Homeland Security officers and agents in the state to go.

[Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry (statement read by E)]

The mayor of Minneapolis says he spoke to Donald Trump and that the president believes the situation in Minnesota cannot continue. In a statement, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry said in part, quote, I expressed how much Minneapolis has benefited from our immigrant communities and was clear that my main ask is that Operation Metro Surge needs to end. Fry added, some federal agents will begin leaving the area tomorrow and I will continue pushing for the rest involved in this operation to go. The mayor said he plans to meet with border czar Tom Holman tomorrow to further discuss next steps.

[Rachel Maddow]

Core part Democratic action, small d Democratic action and the unromantic strong, simple truth of the matter is that in our country right now, every small d Democratic muscle that we have is flexing and it turns out that that's way stronger than Donald Trump and way stronger than the worst designs of the Trump administration. United States persistent, earnest, creative, peaceful protests that have not relented for a minute in Minneapolis, right? Everybody from clergy to professional sports teams to unions to school parent groups to school kids themselves to indivisible groups to Native American activists, to people who had never previously protested a single thing in their lives. I mean, every day nevertheless protesting, demonstrating, telling Trump's agents to get out, never giving them a moment. Peace, spontaneous, instinctual, and then ultimately organized mutual aid, community support, alerting people to the presence of federal agents, walking people's kids to and from school, dropping off groceries to families too afraid for good reason to get out of their house, doing know your rights trainings everywhere, responding in person when people are being attacked or taken, not being afraid when Trump's masked agents turn those very things into life threatening confrontations or being afraid, but still doing it anyway. Greg Bovino loses his job quote Greg Provino has been removed from his role as Border Patrol commander at large and will return to his former job in El Centro, California where he is expected to retire soon. According to a Homeland Security official and two people with knowledge of the change, Bovino's sudden demotion is the clearest sign yet that the Trump administration is reconsidering its most aggressive tactics. After the killing Saturday of 37 year old Alex Preddy by Border Patrol agents under Bovino's command. Nick Miroff reports. Quote, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and her close advisor Corey Lewandowski, who were Bovino's biggest backers at Homeland Security, are now also at risk of losing their jobs.

[General Michael Flynn]

I'm going to tell y' all something, America. I don't know how dark or how bad things are going to get, but I keep hearing people referencing 1940s Germany. What I want y' all to remember something when you are bringing up that history the Nazis ultimately lost. Nazi ideology was outlawed through denazification. One day we will see the demagification of this country. It will come.

[Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry]

And you know what else happened?

[General Michael Flynn]

Leaders of the Nazi regime were prosecuted and tried as war criminals.

[Rachel Maddow]

They're the ones who are geared up like the way they're going to win, the way they're going to overthrow this democracy is in some kind of war, right? They can just have just the right military gear and just the right threatening, physical, intimidating force. That'll be how they win, right? That's how they think they'll win with guns. The people of this country on the other side, the opponents of that overthrow the population of this country that is committed to, you know, no kings and they're never being a dictator here. They know that the way they're going to win is not with guns, is not in a war. The people on the other side of this fight, they know the way they're going to save American democracy is by using American democratic means to do so. And that means protest and speech and political power.

[Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry (statement read by E)]

Donald Trump's immigration crackdown, not Greg Bovino's immigration crackdown. And I think it's very important just to be clear about that. It was Donald Trump who put a post on social media saying that Minnesota's day of reckoning and retribution was was coming. It was Donald Trump who ordered his Justice Department to initiate in criminal investigations of the mayor of Minneapolis and the governor of Minnesota for the crime of incitement. When they're giving press conferences saying, please, people, be peaceful. We must protest this and be peaceful. I would also point out that it's not an issue of immigration enforcement that has caused so many of the good people of Minneapolis to rise up against Donald Trump and what's happening in their city. They have gone after the basic rights of American citizens to protest. And I'm just haunted, as I'm sure you are, Steph, by the horrible video of Alex Preddy's last moments. Remember that he was going to the defense of a woman who was having the crap beat out of her by one of these goons. This wasn't immigration enforcement. This was a mass federal agent attacking a who was exercising her First Amendment rights. And so it's a perversion and really an insult to people to call it immigration enforcement that's being protested in any way, when they're protesting is a lawless riot, essentially, of massed federal agents that have been unloosed by Donald Trump on the city of Minneapolis.

[Rachel Maddow]

Clearly, President Trump and the Trump administration are in retreat on what had been a violent occupation, I think it's fair to say, of a major American city that they essentially hoped to be the front page news headline that everybody remembered about the Trump administration at this time, at the start of Trump's second year in his second term in office, they went big with this on their own terms. Nobody asked for this. Nobody put them up to it. They decided to launch this in order to show off what they could do. And now they are in full retreat with it being viewed both as a practical debacle and a moral debacle. And they are paying a considerable political price for it. If you were one of millions of Americans who protested ICE out of Minneapolis, you should know tonight, you are winning this thing. And it is worth understanding the power of what you have done.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. There's not got a Free shot.

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All these networks lying about the people.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The people have had a belly full of it.

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I know you don't like hearing that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[General Michael Flynn]

And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

MAGA Media.

[General Michael Flynn]

I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and.

[Stephen K. Bannon (advertisement voice)]

What is my purpose?

[General Michael Flynn]

If that answer is to save my.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Country, this country will be saved.

[General Michael Flynn]

War room here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It is Tuesday 27th January in the year of our Lord 2026. I told you long ago or presented to you long ago that this is a war for this country, for this republic, for the sovereignty, the sovereignty of this country and to make sure that we pass down and bequeath to future generations the same country that was bequeathed to us. Rachel Maddows. Right. Just. Just make sure you embrace that today. You can't sugarcoat this. Let's not sugarcoat. We're not gonna have happy talk here. It wasn't just a blink. It was a crater. Bavino. You see how they're mocking Bavino? Because they know Bavino is a man of action. This is about an invasion of our country of 15 or 20 million. Of course the business community is not going to want to deport mass deportations. Of course, the neoliberal neocons at Fox News who you think got got us in this problem, the Murdoch's a part of it. Of course they're paid. Mouthpieces over there are going to say, yeah, well, you know, you got to really rethink this, all that. This is a retreat and it ain't a strategic retreat. Why is that? Because the people around the president, you see who set up the phone calls, Fry and Walls are spiking the football instead of having the insurrection act invoked on a domestic terrorist radical mob that is highly organized and paid by outside sources. Peter. Peter Schweitzer is going to be here the second hour with Invisible Coup about the Chinese Communist Party, the Mexican government. A book that is not one line of has been refuted. Doug Mackey's going to join me to talk about the. Talk about the courts, the judges. We're at war. If you don't think we're at war, then you're going to play conventional politics. Oh, you know, that pole of independence is, you know, we're slipping in that pole of independence. If you play by conventional methods, you're going to lose because they're not playing by conventional, conventional methods. Short commercial break Return in the War room.

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[General Michael Flynn]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

I know it's hard to stomach Rachel Maddow speaking the truth and rallying her cause. Look, it's in a war. You have to bring all the forces to converge on a point. They are. They've got everybody from around the world coming there. They call it Fallujah. They're Fallujah to bring every bad guy. Remember in last 600 meters we have the Marines sitting there going hey, for second Fallujah. He said every bad guy, even Chechen's were showing up every bad guy in the world against the American forces. Did we have the FBI? You see the FBI out there? Cash did an interview. You're saying I love Cash. It's like a brother me was like, you know, yeah, we've heard about those signal chats. We're going to look into that. We're going to look into that. You heard Pam Bondi. We're sending a strong letter to waltz, laid out four conditions. Were any of those four conditions met? Any of them? Ms. Attorney General, did they? I heard it. You went on Fox. We Sent a strong letter. The interviewer said, what are the consequences? Well, it's an evolving situation now. If you send a letter and you lay out four conditions, conditions, precedent, that we will rethink what we're doing. Were any of those. Did they get rid of sanctuary city laws? They turn over the criminals? Did they turn over the rotor rolls? Keith Ellis said, we even have time to put in. He's mocking you. They're mocking you. Did we anticipate that the New York Times and the Washington Post were going to pat us on the head and say, oh, this is great. Why do they want Pavino out there? But you put you, it's like the French put the, the French paratroopers at Den Ben Phu, right? Just put them out there and let them, oh, can you take on the North Vietnamese? Can you just do this? Or the Vietnamese at the time, can you just take this down? And we won't do anything to support you. It's like what happened in Vietnam all the time. We'll put you on a strategic hamlet, but we won't do anything to back you up. He was left out there. He was given a mission. We're in a war. He's a field commander. You have to start thinking like a war. All these conventional Republicans and remember losing our country, they are almost as guilty of this is what controlled opposition. What in the hell did they do for decades? Hey, you're Republicans. Do you remember them before Trump came on the scene coming to you? They were always pushing amnesty. They held Dave Bratz a heroic figure because he beat Cantor with no money to stop amnesty. They were going to have the big amnesty program. The presentation with Zuckerberg the next day. The Republicans were, they're, they're guilty as anybody else. They allowed this to happen. The country doesn't get into this situation. And they've got the media and they've got Hollywood with the ICE out buttons. They, they're all over social media. They've got the judges. You can't, you can't even. You can't get a grand jury. Why? They got all the grand juries rigged. Remember in the BLM in Minnesota, people lie to get on the jury. Bald face lied. BLM people lied. Oh, they just let him on. That's a jury of your peers. The law fair is not, hasn't gone away. Where was FBI? Where's the Justice Department? Where's Treasury? Scott, I love you, brother. Do you have a field, a task force out there? I'm not feeling it. While the Somalians not shut down why are these centers not shut down? Where's Department of Education? Where is it? The Minnesota authorities were in. These chats work. They're part of the enemy. Fry is an enemy and a criminal. Waltz is an enemy and a criminal. And they have to be confronted as enemies and criminals or you're going to lose your country. You don't think Mandami knows that? You don't think that group in Chicago knows that? You don't think Newsom and the Los Angeles crowd know that? We have 20 million here, what, 2 million left in the first year. And anytime you hear it, we're going after the worst of the worst. Handy. We're going after the worst. That's code. That means we're not doing mass deportations. Just remember that. Because the business community doesn't want mass deportations. The 17. The 17 Fortune 500 companies headquartered in Minnesota don't want them. They put a letter, a police stop. But Beno on those 300 have to be supported by the entire apparatus. We control the federal government, the House, the Senate, the executive branch, and we blanked a bunch of senators. Run the microphone. We got to de escalate. They're all going to wet themselves. This is a time for leaders, not politicians. President Trump, why has he been so powerful? Why has he won three terms? Why does the world pay attention? Because he's not a politician. And anytime the White House staff tries to get him to act as a politician. We have cloudy days, not sunny days. We have cloudy days. And we're having a cloudy day now. But by the way, when I did the Reagan film in the Face of Evil, as I said, you know about the epic of Reagan taking on the Communist Party as a metaphor for going after radical Islam in this war. The Red Green alliance made that back in, what, 2006, 2004? Five, six, maybe 2003 or 2004. I had. It was one of the great thinkers, said, hey, when you're in these long struggles, civilizational struggles, which we're in. We're in a civilizational struggle. You're going to have good days, you're going to have bad days. These are long fights. You're going to have days when it's very cloudy and overcast. It doesn't feel like you can do anything. You're going to have days that are sunny days, like last the 2024 election, and you're going to have cloudy days. Take your number two pencil out and just write down, this is a cloudy day. That's fine. We've had lots of cloudy days before. But also the put in polling independence. Midterm elections are base turnout elections. And some of the political geniuses over there just take your vote for granted and take your knocking on doors for granted, taking you walk precincts for granted and take it all for granted. The $2.3 billion is sitting on. The political geniuses are not going to win you the midterms. We can win the midterms and add seats. The economy's turning around and what have I said for now, two or three months. The economy you can see is turning around and the Democrats are going to get crazier and crazier because they don't have any basic fundamental issues to run on except to get them all worked up on. On destruction there. You're destroying democracy. Let's play Bavino. Can we play the clip? Let's play. This is what Bavina was under every day out there. We put them out there, we deployed them and we left them out there. There was no FBI. There's no doj. The local police and. And the. The. They. They stood up the national Guard in a cultural revolution Red Guard humiliation exercise to put the little reflective yellow vest that the sanitation workers use and to hand out hot coffee and donuts. What don't you get about that? They weren't there to protect customs and border and ice in doing their job and running a bad hombres. The exact opposite. The Minnesota politicians, the lieutenant governor. Hell, you had the city councilman on yesterday once. Nuremberg trials. You saw Charlemagne to God today saying, hey, it's going to be a denazification program. That's what he's hearing. He's listening to it behind the scenes. He's giving you a heads up. Let's play the Bavino. Let's play Bavino. Okay. That this is what his life was every single day. Last night they had a riot at. At their hotel. They finally started arresting some people. He was left out there. No Justice Department, no FBI. Not even a full compliment of dhs. No Treasury Department, no irs. Why is the IRS not kicking down doors right now? Why are the learning centers still up? The learning centers. Why is it all still up? The Somalians are laughing at you. They're laughing at you. It's business as usual there. So don't dismiss Rachel Maddow. Embrace it. And there can be and will be changes. Homan is a good man and a tough guy right now. Their theory, the case internally is differing. They want to. Christy Noem and Bovino are in the mass deportations camp. They want to get the numbers up. Homan is let's prioritize and get rid of the worst. The worst of bad hombres. If, if that's, and by the way, if that's part of a bigger plan, that's fine. But the feeling and the guy and you see the way Fox games you, they want the best of the best and say, well, we got rid of the rapists and the murderers. You know, all these others are just, it's like the governor, the Republican governor of Arizona, of Oklahoma. Well, what's the end game here? We don't want to deport every. No, everybody's here illegally. And President Trump did say it the other day in his true social, he says there's tens of millions of illegal alien criminals. That would be correct. Being here illegally or game through these phony refugee or asylum programs. Right. You gotta go and you know the official numbers 12 to 13, the unofficial numbers 15 to 20 are higher. We've had a couple million. But they all have to go the biz. Their business model, Jesse Kelly said it yesterday, the Democrats probably got 20, 25% support among real people in this country. They do everything on stealing elections. Why do you think they fight so hard not to turn over voter rolls? Why does Tom Fitton have to spend millions of dollars to go clear the voter rolls? Why do they not want IDs? It's an entire business model. In much of the startup cash, the priming the pump is provided by foreign entities. This individual, Jody Evans, husband, living in Shanghai, working with the Shanghai military intelligence. Hundreds of millions of dollars. The Code Pink, the cope, Code Pink's founder husband plus the CCP in the Mexican government. General Flynn's going to join us. Doug Mackey. Five years ago today, Doug Mackey was arrested. General Flynn's going to join us with a warning from what? Andy no. And and James o' Keefe about a bitter pill that must be swallowed. All next in the war room.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Do it today. War room.

[General Michael Flynn]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[General Michael Flynn]

Yeah, so you know, I, I post things sometimes on my social media to Educate people on, on exactly this question, you know, and what I would, what I would just say to your audience is that, you know, and, and, and what's choking the decision making in the Washington D.C. establishment is the lack of understanding of the religion. These people are like a religion that we are up against and it is a Marxist hardcore ideology and that. And they are very active.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I tell you what, let's try to dial rear end.

[General Michael Flynn]

Too many times.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

General Flint. Keep going. We got you now.

[General Michael Flynn]

I hope, like you can hear me. Can you hear me? Yeah, I mean, yeah, we hear you fine right now.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Just keep going.

[General Michael Flynn]

What the Washington, what the Washington D.C. establishment needs to understand, and it's being choked by their own, you know, political, I don't know, just their inability to understand that this is not politics as usual anymore in the United States of America. We are facing a hardcore and a hardened Marxist ideological group of people that is larger than most people understand. They are well trained, they're well resourced, they're active. And that was James o' Keefe's point, you know, that, that we have to understand that these are people that are devout followers of their own, you know, sort of religion, if you will. And this religion is, is a very hardcore Marxist ideological, you know, underpinning. And it starts, you know, on the streets. It starts in the, you know, in the, in the cities, and it clearly is running throughout the universities in our country, and it has been for some time. This is not, you know, Democrats versus Republicans. I beat my head against the wall on this kind of issue all the time because people in, in the political establishment think, well, we have better ideas and better policies because we're Republicans. This is a, this is a war. These people see it as a war. Nobody wants to use that word. It's clearly a spiritual war, for sure. And, you know, in my, my thing, and that's where I'm out and about right now, and I appreciate you allowing me to come in from the street. I mean, my thing is getting local action going in local communities, particularly in, in, you know, with community leaders and, and within the church, the churches that we have. Because what we just learned and what they just learned is they can get away with attacking a church service, right? They just learned that they can do it because they just did it. And the DOJ walked away from this Don Lemon decision, right? So, I mean, they just learned that they could get away with it and they're going to do it again. And what they're learning in Minneapolis, which is ground zero again, because remember, this is two blocks from where that woman was killed. You know, that was, that was George Floyd in the summer of 2020. And we saw what happened in the summer of 20 with no action, with no real consequences. You know, $30 billion, multiple police officers, I think, you know, were killed and wounded during that period of time. Now we have the consequences again of some of the things that we're facing. And I think the, the American people are just tired of it, Steve. They're, they're getting to a point now where it's like, okay, and that's why I put like, you know, America, first question mark, right? Are we going to worry about what's going on in our country and start to deal with this? Because the other thing that's happening. And you know, Amy Mack, who's another great influencer out there, posted a short documentary about the rise of Islamism. And I know where you're at, you know, right now, and I think you're down in Texas. You know, in Texas and, you know, places, I say, you know, Houston, we have a problem. Right? I mean, so there is a changing landscape, a changing environment within the United States of America. We have. We've got to come to grips with this. And those people that are, that are Republicans, conservatives, you know, people that believe in our country, people that believe in the constitutional republic, we better come to grips with it. We better get together on it. You know, I mean, I'm, I'm. I grew up as a Democrat, you know, you know, my whole story. I mean, I'm not, I'm not this. Yeah, this crazy left, right. But their crazy left is a larger. Then, then, then I think that. That the White House wants to believe. I think that the political establishment wants.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

To say so anyway, Steve, but, but here's the thing. You know, this, you know this. And you guys, you wrote the book. The, you know, 5G warfare. You identify and understand we're at war. Part of it's an information war, but the other is taken to the streets. And they're organized with media. They've got Hollywood, they've got low culture with them. They're financed by outsiders. We've got Schweitzer coming up here. Amy Mack is fantastic. Her report, and I'm gonna put up. The Texas Tribune has just reported that we've totally changed the primary in Texas to be one about one issue, and that is Sharia law. They're in shock that this could happen in four weeks. Brian Harrison is going to join me in a moment. But I want to, before I lose you two of our best field commanders are Andy Ngo and James o'. Keefe. These guys are fearless. From Portland and Seattle to Minneapolis, they are in the streets all the time. They gave one of the most significant warnings that anyone can get in the White House. Better embrace this. Both of those guys have said they've been on the streets and they said, you do not understand the spiritual element of this from their side that these Marxists, right, these neo Marxists, they are atheists and they hold this as the religion and they're hard as nails and you can tell that. And they're not going to retreat, you're not going to reason out because the. The issue of the revolution is the revolution. There's nothing you can negotiate with them. They. You can. Nothing you can know she. About the, about the Somalians, about the corruption. That's not it. It is the revolution to take this country down. And you've had a warning now and that's why your tweet got me. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but we need to embrace it. That's why I played Rachel Maddow. So your nose is rubbed in it this morning. We have to embrace the fact that we're up against people that are just as committed as we are. These are not summer soldiers for their cause and their cause is evil and it's demonic. But they've embraced it. And you can see by on the streets. General Flynn, give me your assessment of that. O' Keefe and Andy, no's warning of what you said. Hey, the White House has got to see this right away and has to understand it. Sir.

[General Michael Flynn]

Yeah. Two things very quickly, Steve. And this is. These are Saul Alinsky tactics, Rules for Radicals 101. Right. The issue is not the issue, it is the revolution. Right? That's what they're. That's what this is up against. What we're up against. The issue is not the issue. It's not like under, you know, underprivileged people or disenfranchised. They don't give a. About that kind of stuff. The issue is not the issue. It is the revolution. That's what their cause is. That's what their religion is. The second thing, and this is sort of a Dear Mr. President, right? I think that the President, in order to get a better sense of what it is that we're up against, he needs to form like a people's Council. And we mentioned a couple of names already here, like a People's Council. And they need to. He needs to bring them together quickly and get advice on what it is that we are facing, you know, because he's not going to get it from the bureaucracy inside of Washington D.C. i'm sorry, he's just not going to get it. And because they're the ones, they're part of the problem, in fact, many cases they're going to be fighting back, you know, slow rolling and doing the kinds of things that we've already seen, whether it's Department of Homeland Security, Department of Justice, even the Department of War. So I think that what the President needs to do is he needs to kind of do a little bit of some net fishing for the right people, bring some people in and say, okay, you guys are the ones that are out there on the streets. Tell me what I, I'm missing. Because he's not being told what the reality of the situation is. He's not, because he's not acting. He's not act, you know, he's not making decisions that I can see that are in the best interests of the safety and security of the American people as it relates to this situation right now. And, and, and I think he's hesitant. I actually think that he's hesitant. So that's, that's what my, my ask is to him. But for the, for the audience and for the people of this country, this is a revolution that we were in, in, involved in. And these are. Saul Alinsky. Read the damn book Rules for Radicals. Yeah, read the 5GW book that we wrote. That's the counter to it.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

General Flynn, where to go? Where do you go to get your content? We're on social media. Where do we get the book?

[General Michael Flynn]

Yeah, people can go to generalflinn.com and you know, and, and you know, I want, I want, I want the idea of local action to sink in to this country because we're not going to win it in Washington D.C. we're going to win it in, you know, in every single county in this country. That's how we win this country back. That's how we stitch the fabric of this constitutional republic back together. So God bless, Steve. Thanks for having me.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Thanks for taking time. I know you're running around, so thank you so much. Also, folks, read these tweets of Flynn o' Keefe and Andy Ngo. Just read them. And Andy and James have been street level on this forever. They know and they both give you the same warning. This is not like even we've dealt with before. It's more organized, it's more disciplined and they think they're going to win their trial run. Remember the entire system, the Chinese Communist Party with the, with the bioweapon. Then in the Summer of Love 2020, they had a test run on this in 2020. Remember, they went all in, including changing everything on the machines, but changing everything in the mail, in ballots. Their number one priority is they had to remove Trump from Washington, D.C. with the impeachments and then the other impeachments. This is why the years in the wilderness that came after President Trump, to put him in jail for 300 years, that's the exact same thing you see in the streets. They understand Trump and the MAGA movement is what stands between them and total victory and taking away, taking over the greatest country in the history of mankind. And that's why these tactics. And you can't send people like Bovino, these heroes and give them a mandate and just let them be there like a little enclave, because they're bringing all their forces to bear. They're converging on a target. They're converging on. They say, look, if we can defeat these guys in Minneapolis, we can break their spirits. How many of you in the mumble tank this morning, how many of you are sitting there going, man, what is going on here? This is a process. War is a process, and we're at war. Anybody that doesn't understand that, just get out of here. I don't, I don't want to, you know, any of these guys in D.C. showing President Trump, but, you know, you're down 10 points with independence. Do not get it. The people around him are giving him historically awful, awful, awful advice. Short break.

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[General Michael Flynn]

War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

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[Doug Mackey]

This is a domestic insurgency. I believe it is a war and it goes, it runs from the streets all the way to the governor's offices of some of these blue states and into the federal judiciary. And five years ago I was arrested and there's no better illustration of that than my case. When the justice system was instrumentalized with the eager assistance of the federal judiciary to go after maga, myself, President Trump, we were hit with charges like the Klan act, which a federal judge now refuses to sign charges on for Don Lemon. So when Trump was out of office, the federal judiciary went after us. And now that Trump's back in office, they're refusing to act to maintain law and order. So this is absolutely a domestic insurgency situation, and this runs through the judiciary. It's a judicial insurrection as well.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

What can be done about it? You saw it. You know, just help but just remind people, what did you actually do? What was your crime, sir?

[Doug Mackey]

Exactly. So I posted a meme which I just found floating around the Internet saying Hillary Clinton supporters could text their vote and they could skip the line. And nobody, the, the federal government tried to actually find people who were tricked by this meme. They couldn't find anybody because, first of all, it wasn't targeted towards anybody. It was just a joke. It was a laugh. And for this, they brought Klan act charges for a law that's almost 150 years old that's meant for people being lynched, people being beaten up for voting or using their First Amendment rights. So this is the, the act they use against me. We're talking about weaponization, and it's unbelievable. So if you're asking, what can we do about it? Well, it's difficult with the blue slip system to even for Trump to get federal judges into the system. But one thing I would urge the President to do, there's only really been one U.S. attorney's office that's been cleaned out, and that would be D.C. and there's 94 other offices. There were the career. The career bureaucrats are still in place. I wish I could blame Biden for indicting me, but the fact is, when I was indicted, it was only seven days after Biden was inaugurated. And Biden didn't have his U.S. attorney in place. He didn't have his Attorney General in place. These were prosecutions that were instigated by career bureaucrats in the system. And these people are still burrowed in. They're biding their time for January 20, 2029. And seven days after Biden was inaugurated, I was arrested. And the same exact thing can happen all over again with a complicit federal judiciary and U.S. attorney's offices that don't obey the President and that don't really have any sense of fairness. They really just want to go after Maga because they see us like Charlemagne, the God said this morning or yesterday as a Nazi movement. And they want to demag ify the country. So just because President Trump won the election, there's a long way to go in this war and it's nowhere near one and it's nowhere near over.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is the point also. You can't get. Remember President Trump in Main Justice. He can't get guys approved. We've only gotten 14 of the 94 US Attorneys and only one office has been been cleaned out. That's Judge Janine because she took a machete in a. In a. In a. You know, she created a firestorm over. They hit it with a blowtorch. There's only been one. The career bureaucrat's only been driven out of one of the 94. And we don't even have. With the blue slips. They're slowing him down. They just do. They just do. Was it Harrigan out? Alina Habab's been thrown out. Seagal. Uh, Chada out in Nevada. They're gonna get her. They're get all the ones you put on an interim basis. And so they're playing smash mouth. This is what they do. The Republicans. It's always a pillow fight. These people are at war with us. This is not your parents or grandparents. Democratic Party. This is not the Democratic Party of Jack Kennedy or back in the 50s. It's not. Or 60s. This is not about marginal tax rates. They're at war with us. They're a group of neo Marxists. Red Green alliance and the judiciary may be the most radical. The most radical part may be the lawyers because these kids have been formed since grade school. Most of them. A lot of them went to private schools. They've been formed by these radical private schools in New York City and other places with the elite. They go to these elite colleges which you think the Ivies are bad, then step down. Is that it's the Ivy Ivy equivalents or the. Are the COVID schools for these people. Right. The Middlebury's and these. These schools that are the worst are completely totally radical. Then they go to the law schools. And the law schools are more radical than that. Doug, where can we get you in your new. You get it? No. Cynthia Hughes does. You guys got a new organization? We've got about a minute. Can talk to us about where to go.

[Doug Mackey]

Go to Weaponization watch dot com. You can find me on Twitter or get her at Douglas Mackey with two S's. And like I said, these are not fdr. New Deal Democrats These are vicious communists, the type that slip babies throats and put priests up against the wall in Spain and Russia. And this is a communist insurrection.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Actually, there may be some elements from fdr. There may be some. The guys who work for the kgb. I have stone in that crowd. Doug Mackey, you're here, hero, a patriot. Only somebody's tasted this part of the Moscow Show. The Moscow Show. That's what Charlemagne degad is telling you. But he's giving you a heads up. He's telling you they're going to have the Moscow show trials. The city councilman in Minneapolis argued for it. He says, we're going to have the Nuremberg trials. They think you're Nazis and they're going to go through a demagification process. So it's either them or us. I got our money on us. I'm long maga. Although it's a cloudy day.

[Rachel Maddow]

I got that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

But you got to have some cloudy days. Short break. Peter Schweitzer. Brian Harrison. Next in the war room.

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