Episode 5101: Plans Of Hope And Wishful Thinking In Iran; Europe Is Suffering Civilizational Erasure

Summary

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Bannon’s War Room – Episode 5101

Plans Of Hope And Wishful Thinking In Iran; Europe Is Suffering Civilizational Erasure
Date: January 28, 2026
Host: Steve Bannon
Guests: Sam Faddis, Raymond Ibrahim, Chad Mizelle

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Episode Overview

This episode addresses what Steve Bannon frames as “the primal scream of a dying regime,” focusing chiefly on two major themes:

• The real danger and complexity of regime change plans for Iran, arguing that U.S. involvement is driven by wishful thinking and parallels with Iraq.
• The surge of what Bannon calls the "Red-Green Alliance"—the coalition of left-wing radicals (“Red”) with Islamist movements (“Green”)—and its impact on internal American security and the identity crisis in Europe.

Bannon anchors the discussion with former CIA operations officer Sam Faddis, Islamic history expert Raymond Ibrahim (from Budapest), and former DOJ chief of staff Chad Mizelle, exploring how these themes connect—domestically, in foreign policy, and across Western civilization.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Red-Green Alliance: Domestic and Global Threat

(00:52–08:00)

• Bannon and Faddis outline what they see as a strategic alliance of radical leftists (Marxists) and Islamists in the U.S. and globally.
• Faddis, drawing on deep CIA fieldwork, insists this alliance is both real and existential for the Republic, recalling decades spent inside Marxist organizations.
• They argue that elite schools "are the worst" in inculcating radical views among youth.

Sam Faddis:

“The fate of the republic hangs in the balance. That is not exaggeration... There’s an ongoing Marxist revolution in this country. And yes, a sort of marriage of convenience between them and the Islamists.” (04:50)

Steve Bannon:

“These people have been formed since they were in kindergarten by these radical teachers and their parents. And the ones who go to the best schools are the worst.” (03:37)

• Faddis stresses the Red-Green alliance is well financed, highly organized, and being ignored by American institutions.
• Bannon says there's no openness to real debate—this is not a “debating society”—referencing Lenin: “We’re not a debating society. We’re Revolution.” (08:00)

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2. The Iranian Dilemma: Wishful Thinking and Regime Change

(10:47–14:30)

• Bannon sharply critiques the neocon-supported push for forceful regime change in Iran, referencing the “same playbook” used in Iraq.
• He recalls the ousting of the Shah, the Islamic revolution, and the failures of Western-supported exiles like Ahmad Chalabi in Iraq.

Sam Faddis:

“My response is, slow down. Think this through. What are we doing?… Hope is not a plan, man… This whole plan is based on a whole series of assumptions and basically wishful thinking.” (11:39)

“No matter how many targets we bomb, that regime is going to fall? They are murderous, and they will kill as many people as they have to… If the government does fall, what precisely will replace it?” (11:56)

• The hosts warn of falling into the trap of “liberation” fantasies (the “roses in the streets” myth), emphasizing that exiled figures often have little real support at home.
• They argue that intervention would merely saddle the U.S. with another quagmire, referencing America’s sunk costs in Iraq ($7 trillion) and Afghanistan.

Steve Bannon:

“Do we risk… the Iraq analogy? Can you use that here of something we may be walking into?” (16:35)

“The problem in Iraq wasn’t taking out Saddam Hussein… it was the other 19 years.” (16:35)

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3. Let Iranians Decide Their Own Fate

(20:05–22:14)

• Bannon clarifies his position: he is not “defending the Ayatollah,” but asserts responsibility for change rests on the Persian people themselves.
• He invokes Hungarian and Polish refusal to import migrants as a model of national agency.

Steve Bannon:

“That’s for the Persian people to work out… You’re going to then deserve your own country and you work through your own problems. Right. Without the United States coming in.” (20:05)

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4. Europe’s Civilizational Erosion

(38:00–49:36)

• Expert Raymond Ibrahim joins from Budapest, affirming the Red-Green alliance is indeed alive in both Europe and the U.S.
• Ibrahim notes Islam would not be a challenge in Europe without facilitation by left-liberal (Red) leadership, which brings in immigrants “by the boatloads.”

Raymond Ibrahim:

“The Islamic threat to the West today… is inconceivable without the Red helping the Green.” (39:56)

• Ibrahim argues the rising attacks on Jews and Christians across Western Europe are not the result of “white Christian nationalism,” but rather come from growing Islamist populations facilitated by secular governments.

“…in Hungary, and especially in Budapest, this is one of the safest places for Jews. And it’s… one of the most Christian and nationalist European nations.” (41:10)

• Bannon asks if France and the UK are “too far gone.” Ibrahim replies that since they failed to “nip it in the bud,” they face a point of no return with large Muslim populations always presenting a problem.

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5. U.S. Institutional and Law Enforcement Response

(30:06–38:05, with Chad Mizelle)

• Discussion on how to tackle sanctuary cities (Minneapolis) and illegal immigration using all government agencies, including data sharing (IRS, law enforcement, benefits records).
• Mizelle notes that bureaucracy has intentionally created “walls” to block effective law enforcement; some breakthroughs have come under conservative administrators but many legal and institutional barriers remain.
• Mizelle spotlights the problem of conservative legal talent being locked out of DOJ/US Attorney roles, calling for employment pipelines post-government service.

Chad Mizelle:

“If you want to come to the table, you need to do all of those things just to show us good faith, just to show us you actually care about the law.” (32:55)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Steve Bannon (00:02): “This is the primal scream of a dying regime… Pray for our enemies because we’re going medieval on these people.”
• Sam Faddis (04:50): “The fate of the republic hangs in the balance. That is not exaggeration… there’s an ongoing Marxist revolution in this country.”
• Steve Bannon (20:05): “That’s for the Persian people to work out… You’re going to then deserve your own country and you work through your own problems. Right.”
• Raymond Ibrahim (39:56): “The Islamic threat to the West today… is inconceivable without the Red helping the Green.”
• Raymond Ibrahim (41:10): “Europe is suffering civilizational erasure. Okay? And that’s exactly what’s going on… the attacks on Christians… number one cause… radical Islamist ideology.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:52 – Introducing the “Red-Green Alliance” and Faddis’s background
• 04:50 – Faddis describes alliance’s threat and his operational experience
• 10:47 – Debating regime change in Iran; Bannon and Faddis compare to Iraq
• 16:35 – U.S. war costs and missed opportunities at home
• 20:05 – Bannon on responsibility for Iranian change
• 30:57 – Chad Mizelle on law enforcement and sanctuary city strategy
• 38:00 – Raymond Ibrahim from Budapest on the Red-Green alliance in Europe
• 41:10 – “Civilizational warfare” explained; attacks on Jews and Christians in Europe
• 49:36 – Can France and the UK ever recover demographically?

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Overall Tone

Sharp, urgent, and combative. Bannon and guests stress that America and the West face existential threats from within and without, driven by elite treachery, ideological blindness, and historical ignorance. The hosts’ tone is unapologetically alarmist, dedicating significant energy to warning against “wishful thinking,” whether in foreign regime change or in reforming Western institutions.

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Resources and Follow-Up

• Sam Faddis: andmagazine.substack.com
• Raymond Ibrahim: raymondibrahim.com
• Chad Mizelle: @chadmizelle on X
• Books discussed: Sword and Scimitar, Defenders of the West, The Two Swords of Christ (Raymond Ibrahim)

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This summary covers the substantive elements of Episode 5101 of Bannon’s War Room, highlighting the detailed concerns about U.S. foreign policy in Iran, Europe’s identity crisis, and the internal American struggle against radical movements.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot.

[Raven]

All these networks lying about the people.

[Steve Bannon]

The people have had a belly full of it.

[Raven]

I know you don't like hearing that.

[Steve Bannon]

I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Raven]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Raymond Ibrahim]

War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Steve Bannon]

Wednesday 28th January, year of our Lord 2026. We have Sam Fedis on. Sam here, I got Raymond Ibrahim is about to join us because whether we're looking at War Room Texas and you know, we're shifting the flag down to Texas over the weekend until the primary, or if you look in the streets of Minneapolis and you look at the Somalian situation, or if you go to Tehran, there's a connective tissue. It's Islam. We have to be blunt about that and have to face it like adults. You can't look away anymore. Sam, can you just give a short particularly for we're adding audience members all the time. Your curriculum vita professionally, sir?

[Sam Fadis]

Well, I was in the United States army, But I spent 20 years undercover in CIA, most of that in the Middle east and South Asia running ops against the Iraqis, the Iranians, all the fun people. Another decade after that working in the IC for, for other entities, mostly training people to go do what I had done for 20 years undercover.

[Steve Bannon]

And so you were not in the analytical side like Brennan. You were not writing reports and thinking great thoughts and writing white papers, correct?

[Sam Fadis]

That. That is correct. Yeah, I was, I was on the ground undercover almost all of that. Twenty years in the Middle east and South Asia, everywhere from, you know, Lebanon to India.

[Steve Bannon]

And correct me if I'm wrong, you wrote, in fact, the reason I came found out about you, you wrote, I think, the definitive book on what had to happen with the CIA. Was it in 2010. What year did you write the book?

[Sam Fadis]

I think it was published in 2010 when I made the decision to retire. I read a book called Beyond Repair. And essentially that book says we need to completely somebody else has described it as we got to take CIA down to the studs and start, start over. And this is why. And that's what the point of that book was.

[Steve Bannon]

And you agree with me that that has not been done yet, correct?

[Sam Fadis]

Absolutely not been done. That we haven't begun that process.

[Steve Bannon]

You know, Frank Gaffney and Trevor Loudon and Raheem Kassam for years talked about no go zones, the Red Green alliance, and people laughed it off as a conspiracy.

[Raymond Ibrahim]

Right.

[Steve Bannon]

You see this armed insurrection in Minneapolis, the Red Green Alliance. Now we, we know the, the green part, the jihadist part of it, right? And you see that in Mandami in New York City. He's, he's a Ugandan Marxist jihadist. He's proud of. His parents are too. But people, the red part, sometimes people just can't get their arms around because they thought we defeated communism. The, the collapse of the, of the Chi, you know, the, the Tiananmen Square and the Berlin Wall and you know, and Putin, those guys, they're not communist. But you've seen in James o' Keefe's tweets the last couple of days in his show, and you've seen in Andy Ngo these warriors that are street level guys that are out there, really like Nick Sorter and Nick Shirley, they're in the fight, right? They have been saying, and we had Flynn on here yesterday saying there's a hard pill that we have to swallow, we have to awaken to something. And that is there is almost a religious fervor by the Marxist part of this in the streets. And I tell people these people have been formed since they were in kindergarten by these radical teachers and their parents. And the ones who go to the best schools are the worst, because the best schools are the worst, particularly the prep schools, to form these kids as radicals that hate themselves, hate their families, and most of all hate their country and their civilization. And it only gets doubled down when they go to these Ivy League or Ivy League equivalent schools. So can you give us a second, since you spent your career doing this on this Red Green alliance and how lethal it is to this American republic?

[Sam Fadis]

Yeah, well, the fate of the republic hangs in the balance. That is not exaggeration, that's not hyperbole. That's where we are. There's an ongoing Marxist revolution in this country. And yes, a sort of marriage of convenience between them and the Islamists. Now, if they ever win, they can then fight it out over the dead body of the republic as to which vision triumphs. But that's, that doesn't help us right now. And let me say, you know, going back to my, my background when I started, I go back far Enough that I was working European Marxist, Leninist groups on the street. Guys that were killing Americans and staging this revolution. I spent years on the street with these folks in the midst of this revolution, having to digest their nonsense and really understand exactly how the hell they work. So this is not a theoretical thing for me. When I look at this, I say, I've seen this movie before. I know these guys. I hang. I used to hang with these guys because it was my job to get inside of those groups. And this is really. It is massive. It is incredibly well financed, it's incredibly organized. And it honestly boggles my mind that we continue to allow these organizations with this much money in this organization to exist. We ought to be inside of them, tearing them apart and arresting these people, not waiting till they put folks in the street and start smashing windows.

[Steve Bannon]

Sam, in your experience with both the jihadists and the Marxists from Europe all the way through and what you see today, are they open to debate? Are they open to political debate? And we make really great points and back it up with evidence that we have policies that could work and help working people and help the poor. Are they open to a debating society where we kind of argue these different points? And then we go out and in the great spirit of the Judeo Christian west, we have an election, and whoever gets 50 plus one or if multiple people won the plurality, that you take over and you can go ahead and implement those policies. And they'll sit there and say, well, let's give these guys a chance, sir.

[Sam Fadis]

Yeah, sure. I mean, in the same way that the Khmer Rouge and Stalin and. And Mao were open to discussion, right? This is not a democratic. This is not a democratic process. And, and also people need to understand, look, you know, Mamdani comes to mind. They are going to smile in your face and say what they need to say at any particular point in time. And then when the moment comes that they have judged it, you know, the time to move is now. Then all of that goes away. Let's remember the Bolsheviks were brought to power. They were a minority party in a democratic assembly. And then, boom, there was a coup. And the next thing you know, people are in camps and up against walls. That's the mindset you are dealing with. So, you know, there is discussion here.

[Steve Bannon]

The Bolsheviks, I don't think ever had more than 20%. Lenin says, we don't want to have more than 20%. It takes too much time to do that. We're not a debate, he would say, we're not a debating society. We're Revolution. State and Revolution, I think, is the book. But they've taken it and they actually teach a course. I believe it's. I believe it's not Revolution Barbie, but the Twitter site. She's put out this great things on the Red Green Alliance. She actually put out there this. This course they teach. It's Lenin's pathway to revolution. They were used in democracy just as a. Get a little foothold and convince you, oh, yeah, they're just running. They're just an alternative. They're just an alternative source. Right? They're not. It's the exact opposite. That's what you're seeing in the streets. That's why it's going to be taken down. Now, at the same time, we do have our attention diverted. Now. There are in the Western Hemisphere, the Monroe Doctrine 2.0. In President Trump's corollary, he's from the Arctic and Greenland, the Panama Canal, the Gulf of America, the resources of Guyana and Venezuela. The Gulf of America, Mexico, Texas, 10 times more old than anybody makes the Gulf Emirates irrelevant to us. We are pulling together not simply armada, but tremendous military striking force, because we're kind of two in a row. We've had great expeditionary success as we rolled the iron dice of war. Although, as Erik Prince so eloquently put it, you had to have a cockpit full of balls in order to pull off the last one, because the Chinook pilot got shot up pretty bad. And it's just the magnificence of our military that pulled it off. Right now, President Trump's being egged on by the same people, the exact same people that played controlled opposition and allowed all the illegal aliens that come in the country, have the Democrats do it, and they would sit there and say, oh, gosh, I sent strongly worded letters, but wouldn't do anything. The same people that push us, the neocons that push us into all these wars, the same people that get you into Iraq, but as soon as it gets tough, they want to look the other way and change the channel and do something else. Now those same people are saying, well, we got to get to Tehran. We have to have a regime change. We have to have a decapitation strike. Since the Israelis couldn't pull it off when they tried to pull it off in July, we all know they tried to and failed. We need to go in and do it on a regime change. And Eric brings up a good point. The shot. Look, the Shah was our guy who got that, but there are tons of problems there. You had savak, you had all that, they wouldn't take care of it. There wasn't prosperity going down to the deck plates, although it was trying to build a middle class. But he got tossed. And the Sun's just not an impressive guy. And it doesn't have any support. This was an Islamic revolution. They threw us out. We were there for a long time. We got thrown.

[Raven]

And they were a big partner.

[Steve Bannon]

They were kind of the linchpin in the Middle East. They threw us out. They brought on the Islamic Republic themselves. They have to deal with it. And I'm sorry if they got 30,000 dead. You know, there's 20 or 30,000 dead in sub Saharan Africa. Christians. I don't see this loading up the 101st Airborne to go into these situations. We got enough on our plate right now. These people brought it on themselves, and they're going to have to sort it out. Whether they have mek, which is a Marxist jihadist cult, I think a Muslim cult. You got all these players going around. They're going to have to sort out their own destiny. Is that too crazy or. You've been there. I mean, you've got a better feel than is a decapitation strike regime change by the United States with Israel riding shotgun. Is that going to solve any problems over in Tehran, sir?

[Sam Fadis]

I am very skeptical, Steve. You know my response when I hear all these people yelling that we got to go to war. By the way, they don't seem to ever be prepared to put on a uniform, put themselves in harm way, harm's way, but they're. They're always ready to start a fight. My response is, slow down. Think this through. What. What are we doing? You know, the enemy gets a vote, and hope is not a plan, man, you're going to bomb a handful of play, you're going to bomb sites in Iran, and then magically the ayatollahs will fall and a new wonderful government will emerge. So this whole plan is based on a whole series of assumptions and basically wishful thinking. I'm very skeptical that no matter how many targets we bomb, that the regime is going to fall because they are murderous and they will kill as many people as they have to, and they have a monopoly on force. And if the government does fall, what precisely is going to replace it? I mean, I've never met the crown prince. I met Ahmed Chalabi when we were doing this in Iraq, who was all over Western Europe in the United States, telling us the Iraqi people loved him.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on, hang on. For our younger audience, this is the point I Wanted to get to let's go back in time. Because they run the same playbook. The neocons run the same playbook on all time. You know, it's a liberation. You're gonna give me a minute on Chalaby. We're gonna go to break. But Chalabi, back In the early 2000s, before the invasion, would be on Fox every night with people like Sean Hannity. And, you know, Ailes had him. He was telling us what we wanted to hear. That's the guy that convinced Bill Kristol that they'd be throwing roses in our path when we came as liberators, was he not, sir?

[Sam Fadis]

That is exactly him. Right? He's got $5,000 suits that he's purchased in London, and he's in D.C. and London all the time. And nobody in Iraq even remembers who the hell this guy is. Literally, he believed, you know, he's selling people in this idea that they're going to line up in the streets in Iraq, wave American flags and welcome us like we're liberating France in 1944. And I'm sitting in Iraq talking to the people who are actually inside Iraq because we were the only people there trying to tell Washington, you know, nobody even remembers Chalabi's name. They have no idea who the hell this guy is. And yet you are going to base your entire policy on what this guy says. So in general, it's like, slow down in regard to Iran. Let's. Let's think this through. What are you about to start? Where is this about to go? And what are. What is the actual information here? Not wishful thinking, not assumptions.

[Steve Bannon]

Right, Right. By the way, the taking out, doing the strikes, I think they may have a package that's been a toughest target packs. They may have it to do. Then what? You own it then we don't want to own it. We have no interest in Tehran. We don't. We have interest in Minneapolis, in New York, in Chicago, in Los Angeles, because we haven't done the heavy lifting yet to break the back of the Red Green alliance here in the United States of America. Short break.

[Raven]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Raymond Ibrahim]

War Room.

[Sam Fadis]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Steve Bannon]

Sam we spent what, 20 years in Iraq. I think we're actually Iran. Excuse me, excuse me. Iraq, we're still there. I think we just pulled out some troops the other day. It's been. Of the $9 trillion they've calculated we spent 7 trillion there. The bulk of the combat casualties, both the killed of our beloved military, the honored dead, also contractors, also I don't know, 40, 50,000 wounded. And all that money that we did not put into imagine what the United States would be. We put the $7 trillion folks in places like St. Louis and Baltimore and Detroit and around the country in the rural areas. Right. Think life would be a little different. These are all opportunity costs. These people liked it done. So you're thinking Iraq, we're going down the same path. I believe with the right target set, you probably could decapitate and take out the mullahs. Then what? That was a problem. The problem in Iraq wasn't taking out Saddam Hussein. The march up country took what, 35 days, 40 days, something like that. It was the other 19 years that including first Fallujah, Najaf, second Fallujah, on and on and on and on and on, with American troops treated by the establishment, by the established order, just like the 3,000 guys we sent to Minneapolis just sent there and forgotten about. President Trump's drive to the presidency didn't really start in Iowa or New Hampshire, although it was great. It was in South Carolina when he called the Bushes out to their face on the stage about the Iraq war and Jeb Bush had no comeback. It's the first time a Republican had ever done that that's what all sudden galvanized people said. This guy's different. His career, political career as the top level guy. Right. That had a different idea of what we were going to do here with America. First was calling out that I'm not going to do any more Iraqs, I'm not doing any more Afghanistans, that we've been there, done that, and that's off the plate. Do we risk that you think is the Iraq analogy. Can you use that here of something we may be walking into?

[Sam Fadis]

I, I absolutely. You can, you can use that. And I, and I, you know, it fascinates me that I can drive around Bethesda or Silver Spring and I hardly ever see a Marine Corps flag on a front porch showing me that somebody's got a kid in the United States military. I can't drive two minutes from my house with, in rural Pennsylvania and small town Pennsylvania without passing those things by the dozens or driving past Purple Heart parking spaces in front of Home Depot that you don't see in the wealthy suburbs. You got a lot of people that want to are always trying to push us into a conflict based on a bunch of false assumptions, wishful thinking. And then the next thing you know we are bringing home men and women in body bags and flag draped coffins. Slow down. You can't start. You start this thing and you begin a process and then you can't hit the rewind button and go back. The next thing you know we're doing it all over again. That's why I keep coming back to slow down, man. What exactly are you going to do? And then what happens next? And what happens if they don't do what you anticipated? Because they actually get to respond. Right. They get to play too. Yeah, yeah. We need some cool heads.

[Steve Bannon]

I want to make sure people know we're not defending the Ayatollah. There's a lot of people on earth that deserve killing. And he and the Ayatollah and the Mullah's probably top of the list. But you know what? That's the Persian people. You see the Persian people versus is this Islamic hardcore. Guys, that's for the Persian people to work out. You know, I can't wait for the day that we sit there and we see drumhead trials of the mullahs and the Ayatollah and all that clique in the same square that they killed so many people. Both the Shah's people and the Islamic Republic butchered people in the country. Hang them, put them in the gallows and hang them up for the world to see. Good on you. Good on you. And you're going to then deserve your own country and you work through your own problems. Right. Without the United States coming in with being pushed by the Israel first crowd to take this out. Not now, not ever. Let the Persian people, these are bad guys but they brought them on. They wanted Islamic republic. They had all the benefits of the west and they didn't want it. Okay, we got tossed out. We're big boys and girls. We got it. You got a better way your way. And now you find out. You found out pretty quickly it wasn't a great way. And it's for the world to see these Islamic republics and Sharia law, right. You get what you get and it's your responsibility to take care of it. Not our responsibility quite frankly. If you take care of it, fine. If you don't take care of it fine either. And they said, oh, they got terrorists all over the place. Terrorists all over the place. Well, where were the terrorists after we took their nuclear. President Trump said total obliteration. Where were all the terrorists? Do they have guys around? There's no doubt. But Hezbollah has been dealt virtually a death blow and they still got bad guys around. I understand that but hell, do they have as many bad guys here as the Chinese Communist Party? I don't even think so. Sam Fadis, thank you for your guidance. Where do people and people first came over the show for the first year is that you're one of the biggest of the maga leaders in Pennsylvania of patriots up there about voter integrity and making sure that Pennsylvania doesn't get stolen again with mail in ballots and machines and all of it. But your experience has been is amazing and you're a safe pair of hands and very thoughtful. So where do people go to Ann magazine which are putting up great stuff all the time.

[Sam Fadis]

Best place to to find me and us is and magazine substack. So that's a n d. Magazine.substack.com and magazine.substack.com.

[Steve Bannon]

And are you one are you on Twitter is the place to go.

[Sam Fadis]

To and magazine if go to end magazine that's going to take you everywhere. We're on Twitter. We're on getter. We're on everywhere.

[Steve Bannon]

But thank you sir. Appreciate you. Thank you doing that.

[Sam Fadis]

Thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

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100%. And you said it right, right off the bat, Steve, you stuff them in a drawer, you don't answer the phone, it gets, oh, it gets so much worse. So the number one thing I want you to do right now as one of Steve's viewers, if you are watching this show and you are 10, 15, 20 or more thousands of dollars into debt, personal debt, don't pay another bill. That is number one. Number one, do not pay another bill. Before you go to donewithdebt.com and look at the testimonies and see what they've done for other people. These are master negotiators. These are teams of people that have worked together for years and they know what they're doing. They know how to talk to the institutions, banking and credit card institutions. They will not drive you into bankruptcy. They don't want to get you One big overhead conglomerated loan. That is not what they're seeking out. What they want to do for you is personal financial freedom at the end of the day, right? So they have a few tactics to do this. And the number one way is when you get a hold of them and talk to them free, as you mentioned, Steve, it's a free consultation, so you've got nothing to lose. They immediately put a stop to those nasty phone calls and those letters. So that stops in about a day or two. Literally. It happens overnight. That way your mental state starts to lift a little bit and you start to breathe. What does that mean? It means you can go on, take care of your kids, go about your day while they're starting to clean up your mess, so to speak. And I can say that because I had a mess. And if you don't have that nutshell aside, with all that money, I don't care who you are, how much you think you've got in the bank, it could be a bad money manager. It could be disease, like, I had breast cancer, job loss, it could be divorce. Things happen in life. They happen to the best of people. People who think they've got their life in order and all of a sudden, boom, it just blows up on you, right? So what done with that will do is help put the pieces of that puzzle back together to get you back on the road to financial freedom. Steve. It's donewithdebt.com It's a free consultation. You've got nothing to lose. Just you call them up.

[Chad Meisel]

They're almost.

[Jillian Barber]

For me, they were like a therapist practically, because we get you.

[Steve Bannon]

Is there anything that someone has dealing with a credit card debt that they haven't heard before and more importantly, helped solve before, Ma'? Am.

[Jillian Barber]

Oh, that's a great question. No, no. They've seen all walks of life and, you know, and Steve, dealing with. I worked at the NFL for 10 years. I saw players who made a lot of money and they thought they were being taken care of. Good guys, okay? And for all intents and purpose, you know, they weren't out there. This and that. Some of them were. But, you know, I had a bad money manager, okay? I thought I was taken care of. I paid all the bills for both husbands. I was like, totally the woman in charge. I was having the babies and working. It doesn't matter. If you're not over your finances and a type A personality, like, I'm not. I'm type B, I'm a circus performer, then you are going to be the one responsible at the end of the day, it affects.

[Steve Bannon]

Where they go. Let's, let's send them right now to Done with that. They have a free consultation. Where they go, you bet.

[Jillian Barber]

Done with that.com donewithdet.com it's the easiest thing you can do. Please look at the testimonies because that's the truth in the pudding right there. All the people that they have helped, and I'm one of them. So I'm here to tell you they are real people. You're not going to get a robot on the other end of the phone. You get a real person to talk to who knows what they're doing. And again, I said they're master negotiators. They're not going to try to get you into bankruptcy. They're going to try to do the best for you.

[Sam Fadis]

No.

[Steve Bannon]

Keep you out of banks. Jillian, thank you so much. Junior Barbie, done with that. Done with debt dot com. Go there right now. Thank you, ma'. Am. Appreciate you. They've heard it all before. They've solved it all before. What are you talking about? These guys are pros, professionals. Short commercial break.

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[Steve Bannon]

Ibrahim, the author of Sword and Scimitar defenders of the west and the two swords of Christ are going to join momentarily. One of the world's leading experts on Islam and radical Islam, Chad Meisel, former chief of staff over at Main justice, joins us. Chad, we've talked about a whole of government approach and how we have to bring every aspect of justice, FBI, treasury, irs, all of it. It just can't be left to a hand, you know, 300 Border Patrol officers and ICE officers. It has to be a whole of government. I know you've done a lot of thinking and we're very instrumental early on in the administration about the strategic outlook of sealing the border first and then getting to the, you know, the deportations of the bad hombres and then the mass deportations. Can you walk us through what your logic would be in dealing with a whole of government approach now in Minneapolis, sir?

[Chad Meisel]

Absolutely, Steve. First, thanks for having me on the War Room. You've got to use every tool in the toolkit. I mean, this is, this is pretty simple law enforcement techniques. And so IRS has data, for example, about some of the locations where some of these illegal aliens are living. Law enforcement should be able to access that data. We also have information about food stamps, information potentially about voting records, information relating to other federal benefits, information relating to education, information relating to health care. Right. If we were to take every piece of information that we have about illegal aliens in the United States and hand that over to law enforcement, this job will be done very, very quickly. Now, intentionally, over decades, the government bureaucracy has set up walls preventing a lot of this information from accessing each other. And then Congress has, in a lot of instances, codified restrictions, preventing one group of people from accessing information, giving it to another group of people. So there's a lot of work that needs to be done to break down those walls. That was some of the work that I was fortunate to be able to do at DOJ and some of the work that they're still doing today. But I know that they are accessing the data and they're having a lot of success.

[Steve Bannon]

The attorney general, Pam Bondi, she was on Fox, but she laid out, she sent Waltz, I think, a letter that laid out four things he has to do. Some of is what you talk about you got to turn over the voting records. You've got to stop with your sanctuary city policies in cities like Minneapolis. I mean, there were four bullet points. He hasn't agreed to any of those. Would your recommendation, first off, everybody take a step back. And that would be since she laid it out, it's pretty logical is that we start there and let if President Trump's now engaging in conversation, but you tell Fry and Walz, hey, we sent you a letter from the Attorney General of these United States. Let's work through those four as a starter. Would that be a logical place if they want to de escalate to kind of start? Because all of those were about federal laws, sir.

[Chad Meisel]

Steve, I think that's table stakes. I think we would say if you want to come to the table, you need to do all of those things just to show us good faith, just to show us you actually care about the law.

[Sam Fadis]

Right.

[Chad Meisel]

And we're not just talking about immigration laws like there, they're talking about laws related to federal benefits, federal health care, federal voting laws. Again, like the notion that a state is trying to shield its voting records because DOJ might believe that there are legals voting in the election. And they're saying, no, no, no, don't look under our skirt, everything is okay. Well, we know what was going on in Minnesota, right. We had independent reporters who were looking into things, looking into daycares, where is some of this federal money going? And we found massive amounts of fraud. So what logical person would say, okay, we trust you with everything else. We're sure that that was a one off. It just doesn't make sense.

[Steve Bannon]

Chad, how far have we made progress in breaking those walls that were set up on purpose so that you couldn't look at the totality of the picture and get all the data and all the information centrally located, which you said, hey, would make everybody's job so easy. You could start solving this in 48 hours. Have we actually made progress on that or has it been codified too much by actual law?

[Chad Meisel]

Huge progress. Let me just give two quick examples on that. First off, Steve, if you remember the situation dealing with at the time, the Department of defense during Trump 45 and then Homeland Security, DoD wanted really nothing to do with Homeland Security. They wanted nothing to do with the immigration mission. They saw their role as fighting overseas in foreign territories, but not protecting our own border here in states. The United, United States. Pete Hegseth has fundamentally changed that. And so I would say at the outset, the wall between Dow now and DHS has been broken down in an incredibly helpful way. The other person I'll mention is Secretary Scott Bessant. He has done a great job with IRS in being able to unlock some of the information there in order to help out the Department of Homeland Security. One area where this is really big is remittances. We know that people are working in the United States. We know that they're sending them money down to Latin America or Mexico or Venezuela or wherever they're from. We have access to this data. We know the US Companies that are doing it. So finally actually putting pressure on those companies, saying, you need to double check to make sure the money is coming from a legitimate source. If it's coming from an illegal alien who has no right to work in the United States, it's not coming from a legitimate source. Therefore, you're not allowed to, under US Banking laws, send that money abroad.

[Steve Bannon]

Last thing is that Todd was on the from the Shot show the other day, and it was something that people are talking about, but nobody wanted to bring the service. I finally asked him, I said, look, one of the issues at DOJ and Main justice, because we only have 14 U.S. attorneys of 94, it's not simply the blue slip program, which is obviously outdated. It's the fact that there's restrictions. Some of the biggest conservative law firms are saying, hey, you can't go into Main justice and work for Trump. I mean, there is a talent problem. We just don't have the bodies. You just had, I think 12 prosecutors in the Minnesota office quit. We don't have a surge capacity of talent. How do you, you know, Pam's smart, Todd's smart, you're very smart. How do we solve that problem? How do we break the law to actually get more talent and make sure people know you gotta work with us, particularly on the conservative side, the Federal Society and others, to actually get talent into Main justice and to these U.S. attorney's offices.

[Chad Meisel]

It's a great point. And I think that this is one area where we've been outmatched. Think about where individuals went after they left the Biden administration. They took tenured track professor jobs at Harvard, at Stanford, at Yale. Very, very cushy corporate jobs.

[Sam Fadis]

Right?

[Chad Meisel]

Where are people going after they leave conservative administration? What's the latest example? After leaving Trump? 45, I had so many friends, Steve, that spent months looking for jobs, months of draining their savings as a government worker, where you're not making that much money.

[Sam Fadis]

Right.

[Chad Meisel]

People don't want to do that to their family, understandably. And so I think one of the best things we can do, and actually one of the things that I'm now working on on the outside, is creating a pipeline of jobs for people who go in. If you're willing to raise your hand, if you're willing to salute the flag, if you're willing to do your Patriotic duty and go in and serve in government. Then at that point in time, we should reward you by making sure that you have the opportunity to use those skills either in corporate America or in academia.

[Steve Bannon]

That is huge, folks. That is huge. Chad, what's your social media, the website, what you're working on in your social media coordinates? People want to follow you where they go.

[Chad Meisel]

Absolutely. It's chadmizel on X. That's the best way to reach me, Steve.

[Steve Bannon]

And I wouldn't say that we've. The war room would volunteer, Chad, to go the interagency task force as the head guy to solve this problem of the Red Green Alliance. But that'll be for next time, Chad. You'll get volunteered for it. Thank you.

[Chad Meisel]

I'll tell you, we've got some really good people in there.

[Raymond Ibrahim]

Thank you.

[Chad Meisel]

But. Yeah, thank you so much.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, no, great job. You were a superstar. Chad Meisel, former chief of staff over at Main Justice. Raymond Ibrahim, your books, Sword and Scimitar. I tell everybody you got to get all three. Sword and Scimitar, which tells the whole story of the Great war against the Christian west, our Judeo Christian civilization against Islam, Defenders of the West. You take the individual stories, and this is one I give to young men all the time. And women. And young women. Your new one, the two Swords of Christ, about the military orders from the Crusades. But I want to ask you a contemporary problem. You're in Budapest right now. You're a fellow over in the institute of a country that got it right. Hungary got it right. Poland got it right. As you look on this situation in the streets, because now it's up in the open, the Red Green alliance, people say, oh, no, that's a crazy conspiracy theory because the Islamist and the Sharia law guys totally hate the Marxists, et cetera. Is the Red Green alliance alive, sir, both in Europe and the United States?

[Raymond Ibrahim]

Absolutely. Without. Excuse me, without the Red Green alliance, especially the red portion, the green wouldn't even be a problem. In other words, if you look specifically at Europe, let's say, why is Islam a problem? Is it because they've come at the way they used to in the 7th, 8th and 9th centuries on with swords and horseback, and there's nothing that Europeans can do? No, they're there because the red alliance that they work for, which is also also known as Europe's leadership, is bringing them in by the boatloads and. And doing everything to help them, including by suppressing their own citizens, the people who actually voted them into power and putting them up in hotels and whatever the case may be, not allowing any kind of free speech or criticism of Islam. So absolutely, there's.

[Sam Fadis]

You.

[Raymond Ibrahim]

You can't. The Islamic threat to the west today, as opposed to yesterday historically, is inconceivable without the green. Excuse me, without the red helping the green. Because this is not the medieval era where Europe was the weak horse, which it was actually, especially in the early centuries, and Islam was the behemoth. This is now where the west is super powerful financially, economically, economically, militarily, technologically, every which way you can imagine compared to, by and large, the backwards Islamic world. And yet these migrants are there in these countries, terrorizing people. And how is that? Why is that? How could it come to be? It's entirely because of the red.

[Steve Bannon]

You know, you were on War Room, Texas the other day, and the reception of that, I can tell you, because the show's on fire. The traction on this, on the streaming side, you really galvanized a lot of people and had them wake up when you said this is civilizational warfare. And you have to understand it as that. And it's much more sophisticated than blowing up buildings or the more standard jihadist moves you saw from a couple years ago. A couple of decades ago. Talk to us. What do you mean by civilizational warfare? Because you get. You get people's attention when you said that.

[Raymond Ibrahim]

Well, this is. This. These. The problem is too many people have a sort of myopic view of what's happening, and they think these problems are just started, you know, now or a decade ago or two decades ago, and they think they're temporal by nature. In fact, they are. You know, there's nothing new under the sun, as Ecclesiastes says. And exactly everything we're seeing today in the west, the way Muslims are behaving, minus, of course, the red enablement that we just discussed, because that didn't really exist. It did later on, but not in the pre modern medieval era, because everyone was collectively fighting against Islam. But what we're seeing is just a complete continuum of what started 14 centuries ago. And so it is, in fact, a civilizational conflict. Trump was absolutely right to call it that in his national Strategy document that was published by the White House in November, where you said. Where you said Europe is suffering civilizational erasure. Okay? And that's exactly what's going on. Minus countries like Budapest or the city of Budapest in Hungary, where I'm at right now, where they still have a strong collective sense of an identity, of a Christian identity. And, you know, by the way, by the way, a quick, a quick interesting note I think you'd be interested by is, you know how we always hear that white Christian nationalism fosters anti Semitism? Well, as it happens, a study came out that in Hungary, and especially in Budapest, this is one of the safest place for Jews. And it's also one of the most Christian and nationalist European nations. Okay. And on the other hand, if you look at where the rise of anti Semitism is in Europe, it's primarily the main places that have seen a massive spike are the UK, Germany and France, all of which are not connected or seen in any which way as Christian nationalist countries, but actually as liberal secular nations. And you know what, what does one make of that conundrum? You finally realize that the missing factor between all this, it's not that Christian nationalism is bad, nor is it necessarily that liberal secularism is bad. It's that liberal secularism, though, opens the door to something that is bad for Jews, which is Islam. And so if you look at France and the UK and Germany, they have the absolute highest population of Muslims in Europe. And at the same time, the, the attacks on Jews in those three countries have spiked, as have the attacks on Christians. Because another report that was published by the Observatory of Christian Christianophobia in Europe found another massive spike of attacks on Christians in Europe and mostly in the UK and in Germany and in France. And the number one cause that it's cited that propels these attacks on Christians was what it calls radical Islamist ideology.

[Steve Bannon]

Hanger for one second. Raymond Ibrahim joins us from live from Budapest. We'll return in a moment.

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[Raymond Ibrahim]

Yeah. This is a close up panoramic view of the Crusades seen through the lives and the eyes of the most. The commando forces of the Crusades, essentially, which were the knights of the temple and the hospital, the military orders. And I think people will be Shocked to see what the. What the Crusades really were, as opposed to how they're sort of, you know, caricatured, both in movies and in actual, supposedly secondary histories that are supposed to be serious. But these were men who. What I found interesting about them, and what I think readers will find interesting is that on the one hand, they were extremely committed pious Christians, and on the other hand, they weren't what pious Christians are today, which is doormats. They were actually the exact opposite. They were ferocious defenders of the faith and they found no conflict between the two. And in fact, they had multiple ways to rationalize it directly through Scripture.

[Steve Bannon]

I want this book, not just for yourself, will inspire you, but also, if you have a young man in your life, get this book for him. Either Defenders of the west, which is the story of 10 of them, from El Cid all the way through to even Vlad the Impaler, which kind of gets. He's gotten a bad rap in history as Dracula, he's a bad rap. But you got to read the book. And the military orders are fascinating. The people, the Knights Hospital from St. John's St. John's and of course the Knights Templar. And they'll learn a ton of history, but they'll also be inspired by some men that were just quite extraordinary and defended their faith. Like I said, they weren't doormats. You're in Hungary and you're now been invited. You're a senior fellow at the Danube Institute. And Orban, who obviously we're close to and think the world of, he stood in the breach and the Hungarians backed him up and said, no, we're not going to have this happen to our country. And you see the problems everywhere else, except in Poland and Hungary generally. Is France in England too far gone? Is the population, is the Islamic population too high? Because this is what people in Texas ask all the time. They're saying, we see the guests you have on there talking, we see in the streets, we see the footage what's happening in England, we see what's happening in France. We're not going to have that. Not that we hope it doesn't happen. We're not going to have that in Texas. Are those two countries too far gone or can they sort this problem out with Islam?

[Raymond Ibrahim]

Sir? Well, they are too far gone. And I'll elaborate, but actually I'd like to talk a little bit about your earlier point about Hungary or Bonn. You know what's interesting and what's beneficial to us today is that if you recall over 10 years ago, around 2014 and 2015. That's when the American people were first introduced to Viktor Orban of Hungary. And why? Because the media was demonizing him as the next Hitler. Okay? He was. I. I remember everything I saw and I wrote about him back then. He was just described as this horrible human being, a monster and a creeping dictator. That's a direct quote. The Guardian said he needs to be eliminated and taken out. Okay, so he was the next, literally, Hitler. And why? Because he refused to take in Muslim migrants. He made the civilizational argument all the way 10 years ago, saying, this is about civilizations. We've lived under Islamic occupation for 150 years. We don't want it. And he said France and Belgium and whoever wants it, they can have it. Okay? Now what's good about that is if you fast forward 10 years now, we can actually evaluate what he said and his position with what has happened. And what has happened is a complete disaster for all those other countries that did take in large numbers of Muslim populations, as we can see. And as he made a very good point. Speaking of, you know, right around Christmas, he. He sent a tweet, basically saying, we, the Hungarians are paying a million or something euros a day as penalty because they don't take in the Muslim migrants. But it's worth it because, look, we can actually have a normal Christmas. Whereas in the rest of Europe, Christmas markets were. Were canceled. There were barriers everywhere. The entire, you know, traditional feel was gone. There were no statues or crosses because they might offend certain people who did, in fact, destroy nativity scenes and whatnot. So, yeah, time has proven his position correct. But to your other question about France and, you know, the uk, what they have to understand is they have reached a point of no return. In other words, someone like Orban and his policy in Poland, they. They nipped it in the bud. They said from the beginning, okay, anyway, was easy. They said, we don't want Muslim migrants. And that was it. There was no war, There was no conflict. Nations like these other Western European nations who've taken in millions and they have very large Muslim populations, well over 10%, I think they try to intentionally hide it and make it sound smaller. They're stuck with it. In other words, no matter what they do, if they all become Victor Orban tomorrow, they still have to always live with a huge Muslim population in their country, and that's always going to be a problem. And that's. That's what we don't want.

[Steve Bannon]

It's the 50. It's the. It's the 15. The 15 or 20 million that here. I got to bounce. Where do people go to get you at the Danube Institute? Where they go to the website, the books and social media. Brother, you've been an inspiration to the folks in Texas and the United States.

[Raymond Ibrahim]

Thanks very much Steve. One place place is just easy. My name Raymond Ibrahim. R a y m o 1 d I b r h I n don't that's my website. You'll find links to everything social media X getter my books and also my YouTube channel. Be sure to check that out too. Thanks, Steve.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you brother. Let's get the book Two Swords of Christ. The Charlie Kirk show is next. Post those after that. We're back here at 5:00pm Eastern Standard Time. It's going to be wild. Be back in the world.

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