
Episode 5121: The Only Way To Victory Is Not Caving An Inch ...
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Stephen K. Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies. Because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
Steve Cortez
And where do people like that go.
Stephen K. Bannon
To share the big lie?
Steve Cortez
MAGA Media.
Senator Eric Schmidt
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
Stephen K. Bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
Senator Eric Schmidt
War Room.
Stephen K. Bannon
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
Senator Eric Schmidt
So you know what? Spare me. To the media, the pundits and the talking heads. To the protesters on the streets and their political friends here in the halls of power. We know who you are. We know what you care about. It's not humanity or empathy or compassion. It is raw power. And we know what you do with that power. And we've seen what you do with that power. The empty chair at the Riley family dinner table is the cost of what we paid for your power. And it's our patriotic duty to ensure you never get close to power again. Let me say this also to my friends and colleagues in my party. Don't give these people an inch. Don't fall for their moral blackmail. Don't let them negotiate or squirm their way into killing the President's mass deportation agenda. The American people support it. Don't let them talk you into believing that this is about justice. That's not what they care about. You know what I care about? I care about Americans. I care about the people who are risking their lives, the freezing cold to enforce our laws, rather than the ones who are hell bent on breaking it. I care about the people who are trying to get these kinds of monsters who rape and murder our daughters out of our country, rather than the ones who want to put their bodies on the line to keep them here.
Stephen K. Bannon
Thursday, the 5th of February, in the Hervalor 2026. Honored to have Senator Eric Schmidt. Senator, why is it that we're not hearing more of what you pounded on the Senate floor yesterday? Now, we need to come together not just as a party, not just as a MAGA movement, but as a country, and to basically talk the truth and talk in brutal fact, as you did yesterday. Why is that not happening more on Capitol Hill, sir?
Senator Eric Schmidt
Well, I think we're gaining momentum. That's the good news last week when we got back here, I did feel like, you know, maybe that, that some people were more interested in negotiating with the Democrats to make our, make ICE officers jobs harder. That's not going to happen. So last week I went on the Senate floor twice this week, did it again. We're rolling out our own proposal. Like, if the Democrats want to talk about this, that's fine. But guess what? We end sanctuary cities then, right? We're not giving them an inch. We should end sanctuary cities. I've got a bill that would make, increase the penalties for illegal ENT and illegal RE entry. Let's, let's defund these NGOs and let's protect our ICE agents by stiffening the penalties. That's the kind of stuff people want. That's the kind of fighting spirit we need to have right now. There's just no way, and I want to assure your audience this, the Democrats have created this problem. They let 15 to 20 million people in here illegally. And yesterday when on the floor that clip you played to talk about the American daughters who've been victimized by these monsters who came across and invaded our country. And I think we have to stiffen our spine, Steve, right now this is a very important moment, not just in the news cycle, but for our country and our civilization. We're either going to side with law and order or we're going to side with chaos. The Democrats are hell bent on importing millions and millions more people here legally. We have to be the, we have to be that bulwark that stops it. And so I'm continuing to bang that drum. I do think more and more people are seeing it that way, but, but we're going to find out. We got a two week window here now where the Democrats want to enter into this fake negotiation. My perspective is no more phony deals. What they really want to do is kneecap ICE and have de facto amnesty and we shouldn't have anything to do with that.
Stephen K. Bannon
Just before I got to ask you some questions about that before we do that. It's no doubt in your mind. President Trump won a mandate from the American people in November 2024 on this.
Senator Eric Schmidt
Very topic, sir, 100%. And I actually think, Stephen, you know this better than anybody. The electrical cord that connects when he came down the escalator to this very moment was him bring, not only bringing up the issue of illegal immigration, but saying, I'm the guy that's going to, you know, fix what Joe Biden did in this country. It was, I was with him a lot on the campaign trail, on his travel stops. You know, there were two main things that he would always talk about, which was, you know, dealing with the inflation issues and the tariffs were part of that. The expert class has been wrong about that, as we've seen as he's rebalancing that equation. But then also immigration. And I would also say, and I've tried to make a point of this, too, it's not just illegal immigration. We have a legal immigration problem in this country. We've seen the abuse with H1B. We've seen the abuse, abuse with OPT. We're effectively, we're displacing American workers. We're displacing American students. I think that's the next wave here. But right now, in this conversation about DHS, we're talking about enforcement. And I 100% agree with you that this is foundational for our movement. This issue. We, we, this is a home game for us. We should treat it like that.
Stephen K. Bannon
I want to talk about that home game. So we're a year from, you know, but 15 months from November 24th. You stay pretty close to your constituents. What are your constituents telling you right now about these topics, sir?
Senator Eric Schmidt
That they want to meet mass migration with mass deportations. And if you look at the polling, does it pull a little bit higher to say we're going to get rid of these hardened criminals and send them back? Yes, but it's also a vast majority, especially of Republicans, but including the general public, and they want to deport people who've come here illegally. And I think they saw what would happen. I mentioned in that speech. We, we've seen what the Democrats will do with power, and we can't let that happen again. But while we are in power, we ought to do something about it and prove to the American people that we are worthy of their trust. And I think President Trump has crystallized that issue better than anybody. You know, Pat Buchanan, of course, was talking about it 30 years ago. You've been talking about it. But President Trump was able to win two elections now in office to get in to take on this issue. And we can't, we can't let the Democrats sort of deal this away with these ideas that may seem somewhat innocuous, but their, their intention really is to limit the ability of ICE to do their jobs.
Stephen K. Bannon
So now this entire thing has now come to the U.S. senate. You said this was a fake negotiation. We saw, I think it was last night or yesterday. They gave us their demands, which is essentially do away with ice, you're coming back, you've got some alternatives. We've only got what I think now. We had 15 days. I think we're down to 14 or 13. We, you know, we've got this whole thing about can we get a cr, can we finance it? Haven't we played into their hands that they've got these requirements that everyone's non negotiable. In addition, if the 15 days runs out, doesn't ice just stop getting funded? I mean, don't they have all the leverage here? Or do you see a way that you can take a machete and cut your way through here?
Senator Eric Schmidt
Yeah, I actually, here's, here's how I see it, Steve. I am, I am glad we, we have an, this is isolated now. This is an issue that we have now. We have to be unafraid to talk about it and we have to be unafraid to make the case. But the American people are with us on this. We can't be, you know, we can't be weak here. And I think what we say is this has been isolated. Here's the other thing that, that gets lost a little bit too. In the one big beautiful bill or the working families tax cut that we passed last summer, we front loaded all this money for ice. We front loaded tens of billions of dollars for detention centers. We front loaded tens of billions of dollars for deportation efforts, for bonuses. There have been 200,000 people, Steve, applied to be ICE agents in this country. So what you see is this groundswell of support among real Americans, you know, in my state and other places who understand, like, who have common sense, who want to tackle this, we can't yield to it. So basically, here's what happens. If this CR expires and next Friday or whenever it is, ICE is going to have their money. The only money that's not going to flow is to FEMA and to tsa. So we do have the leverage here. There's no reason in the world for us to capitulate to the Democrats demands. I think we say, hell no, we've got our own proposals. They're not going to want to do those. But if they want to defund FEMA and they want to defund tsa, that's going to be on them. So I think we actually have the leverage if we play our cards right. If we do not, you know, if we're not weak and try to cut some deal with the Democrats again, whose only purpose here is to defang any attempts to enforce our immigration laws.
Stephen K. Bannon
But isn't that the rub. I mean, you're a tougher. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your tougher negotiation right now is going to be within the Senate Republican Caucus. Sir.
Senator Eric Schmidt
Yeah, well, yes. I mean, we just got to make sure, which is why I keep going to the Senate floor and why I'm banging this drum. I've seen this. I, I saw this. Look, I. Ferguson's in my backyard. I was attorney general in 2020 with the George Floyd riots, with the Soros prosecutor in my backyard. I've seen this play before. I know what they do. They try to take an incident. They're trying to create these confrontations, Steve, to have some viral moment so that we lose our will to do what the American people sent us to do, and we can't do it. I think we're really at a critical point in our country where we, the American people, have given us this mandate to go do it. And I think if we, if we, if we fail at this, it'd be catastrophic for our movement and for the country because we have to be the ones that say no. A country that can't say no, can't say yes to anything that's important. And I think that's where we're at right now. So what I've tried to do is provide some experience. When I was ag, we fought the Biden administration every turn on their mass migration agenda. We were successful for a while. I wrote about that in the book the Last Line of Defense. We were successful for a while holding that off. But ultimately what was proven was that laws on the books that aren't enforced don't mean much. So we have laws on the books that if they are enforced, you see right now a secure border that we have, but we have to move forward with agenda of deportations.
Stephen K. Bannon
Look, it's one of your experiences, one of the reasons the president reaches out to you and seeks your counsel. But you're putting up what you said at the top, a very well thought through counter to what the, this ridiculous thing the Democrats put up. Are your colleagues in the Senate, are you. Do you have now, I take it, 45 co sponsors already just by sending it around?
Senator Eric Schmidt
Yeah, I think, I think we're gaining momentum by the day. And that's what I tried to say in the darkest moment in a, in a Senate lunch last week. Well, I don't say the darkest moment, but, but, but when maybe some people were willing to, to, by the way, not knowing things like this idea of having judicial warrants would absolutely grind to a halt. Deportations we have warrants right now. They're called administrative warrants. These are Article 2 powers for civil removal. That's what they're doing. And that, by the way, that's what's happened, Steve, for decades.
Stephen K. Bannon
But it shows your Republican and Democrat presidents alike, you know this.
Senator Eric Schmidt
So we got to yield on these things. We're not going to.
Stephen K. Bannon
It shows you they're not.
Senator Eric Schmidt
We're not going to unmask these ICE agents and cause their families to be harmed.
Stephen K. Bannon
But that shows you they're not in good faith and they put judicial warrants out. It would take us 15 million years to deport 15 million people. It's ridiculous. What do you need? You're obviously a big favorite of the war room audience, the Warren Posse. We got about a minute, minute and a half walk through what you need from this audience. What do we need to do to have your back and those fighters in the Senate over the next couple of days? Because this is where it's going to be determined. So what do you need from us?
Senator Eric Schmidt
I think just encouraging Republicans here to say, hey, look, we were sent here to make sure we have this deportation effort. We can't yield right now. This is not the time. The Democrats are being ridiculous. They just want to inhibit that ability to enforce our immigration laws. Hold firm. Don't cut a deal with them. That would make it impossible for ICE to do their jobs.
Stephen K. Bannon
Senator Smith, where can people, where can people follow you? Social media, website, all of it.
Senator Eric Schmidt
Yeah, schmidt4senate.com is the website. And Eric, underscore Schmidt on, on Twitter. We're on Facebook. Love the war room. Thank you guys for all you do. You guys are great patriots and we're gonna, we're gonna keep fighting.
Stephen K. Bannon
You're a big audience favorite and you do Missouri right in the Senate, the nation's capital. Folks in Missouri, I hope, understand that. Should be very proud of your, your fight. And man, we got to fight over the next 10 days. So thank you, sir, for coming on.
Senator Eric Schmidt
Yes, sir. Take care.
Stephen K. Bannon
Okay, folks, let's pile into those Senate numbers. I'll put it up in the next segment. We need them to hold the line. We need toughness. We need to back down. These Democrats. We cannot compromise on anything that Democrats put as we, we've talked about over the last couple of days are ridiculous. And Eric Schmidt, having been an attorney general, Missouri tells you the, the judicial warrants shows, shows you that they're not serious. The Democrats are not serious about this. What they, they don't want any deportations. Forget mass deportations. They don't want the worst criminals deported. That's why it hasn't been unprecedented cooperation. Unprecedented non cooperation. Home Tide Lock promo code Steve. If you're fortunate enough to own a home, I guess the average is 80 to 90% of your net worth is tied up in that every dream you've ever had. Make sure that no one that is not you can get access to it with cyber AI, rogue lawyers, rogue accountants, rogue relatives, maybe even a rogue friend. Hometitleock.com promo code Steve. You get a 14 day free free trial under $1 million triple lock protection. Go talk to Natalie Dominguez and the team and do it today. Ready to hit it? A new year means new financial goals. Like making sure your savings are secure and diversified. Will this be the year you finally listen to me and talk to someone from Birch Gold Group? Honestly, they're great people. I appreciate their educational approach and their understanding of macroeconomics. There are forces pushing the dollar lower and gold higher, which is why they believe every American should own physical gold. So until February, if you are a first time gold buyer, Birchgold is offering a rebate of up to $10,000 on qualifying purchases. To claim eligibility and start the process, just Text Bannon at 989-898. Birch Gold can help you. Roll an existing IRA or 401K into an IRA in gold and you're still eligible for a rebate of up to $10,000. Make right now your first time to buy gold and take advantage of a rebate of up to $10,000 when you buy by by February 27th. Text my name Bandit 989898 and claim your eligibility today. Remember, text Bannon Bannon O N to 989898. You've got to the end of February 27th. February to qualify up to a $10,000 rebate. Okay? Is that good? You can make that work. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
John Solomon
So for a solid year while he.
Stephen K. Bannon
Ran for president, Donald Trump promised pretty.
John Solomon
Much every day that he was going.
Stephen K. Bannon
To lower costs on day one. On day one, if he was elected.
John Solomon
Those were his words, not mine.
Stephen K. Bannon
So, Secretary Besant, you are one of the President's top economic advisers. Let's just start with a little truth telling about the Trump economy. One year in affordability is the top.
John Solomon
Concern for Americans across the country. Donald Trump has called affordability.
Stephen K. Bannon
I want to get this right. A hoax. He's called it a scam. He called. He's called it a con job.
John Solomon
You are the Secretary of Treasury.
Stephen K. Bannon
You know the numbers.
John Solomon
Is affordability a Hoax, a scam or a con job? Senator, it may be a bit nuanced for you, but what President Trump is referring to is the media saying that the affordability crisis was generated by this administration when it was you and President Biden who destroyed the buying power of the American people. So there is an affordability crisis and you were front and center in it.
Stephen K. Bannon
So let me make sure that I understand.
John Solomon
Donald Trump is not saying that affordability.
Stephen K. Bannon
What'S happening to families right now is a hoax.
John Solomon
He is saying that trying to lay the blame at this administration rather than the Biden Warren economy is a hoax. Okay, so it all happened before he.
Stephen K. Bannon
Got it and everything that's happened since.
John Solomon
Then, Nothing is a hoax. 21.21.5% cumulative inflation Let me just ask about what's happened in the one year that Donald Trump has been president.
Stephen K. Bannon
Last week President Trump said, quote, I can only take so much of it's it's properly pronounced folkahanas as in foe a faux Native American is Elizabeth Warren. Steve Cortez, I got Philip Patrick on deck. Just your comments. The whole, the whole hearing has been like this just attack, attack, attack of Scott Besson, your thoughts?
Steve Cortez
Well Steve, thank goodness we have Scott Besson. He is the most principled and skilled Secretary of treasury perhaps since Alexander Hamilton who we mentioned earlier. He also clearly has the patience of job that he is able to tolerate that kind of harangue from an antifa Karen like Elizabeth Warren. And when it comes to this issue of affordability, he's exactly correct in stating we don't want to hear about fire safety from the arsonists, the very arsonists who lit the inflation inferno in the first place. As a matter of fact. Thankfully Secretary Bessant, President Trump, others are doing yeoman's work in addressing this affordability crisis largely through deportations as we also cited earlier. But again the problem was created on the watch of Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren. They don't now get to grandstand and lect to a brilliant man, a brilliant leader like Scott Besant about how he should solve it when they caused the problem in the first place.
Stephen K. Bannon
Philip Patrick to go back to that inflation to go back to the affordability issue. This is why we started End of the Dollar Empire on their watch. We knew exactly what Biden was going to do and it was that massive federal spending, over the top federal spending that everybody warned him or I shouldn't say everybody warned him at the time. Democrats, oh, it's just going to be temporary. It's just going to be Fleeting, but we could see the destruction of the US dollar and that's where we are today. That's 25% on Biden's watch. And this is. I just want to make sure people know how to get to you because obviously markets have been all over the place and particularly gold had a huge run, backed off another run, backed off another run. What's your recommendation to our audience right now?
Philip Patrick
Look, nothing has changed in terms of the fundamentals. It's definitely been a volatile start to the year for precious metals, but quite frankly, it's somewhat welcome. Silver had run 150% last year. Gold was approaching 70%. You know, when we see sort of step backs like this, I think it creates a stronger floor. So we're very much encouraged. Like I said, nothing has changed in terms of the fundamentals. Some comments on what we just listened to. It was frustrating to say the least. But I think very clearly she was just trying to put into a trap. It is very obvious you don't get 25% cumulative inflation by accident. That is years of bad policy spending, explosions, money printing, energy shocks and rate suppression under a Biden and Warren sort of worldview. So it's an absurdity to try and put it on the shoulders of President Trump after 12 years while inflation is 12 months, rather, while inflation has been coming down. It's an absurdity and it's clearly trying to put Besson into a word trap. Besson is so far and above these guys when it comes to the economy. They're doing a fantastic job, as everybody knows. It frustrates me to have to listen to those cold opens.
Stephen K. Bannon
That's one of the reasons we couldn't even show yesterday, because the House, as you know, is not the Senate. And it was, it was just, it was embarrassing for the House members the brutal attacks on Scott Besant. Before I let you go, this whole crypto implosion, I think 1.7, $1.8 trillion of value been wiped off of crypto. How does that play as gold as a hedge? We know gold's been shifted into this category of maybe a new financial asset by the central banks. But what is the implosion of crypto? Is there a lesson there for people that are looking at physical gold, Sir?
Philip Patrick
Look, look, I think the lesson is very clear. We understand a lot about precious metals. They are countercyclical. They perform very, very, very well during tough times. We understand precious metals relationship with other asset classes. We know inflation fuels their growth. We know gold has an inverse relationship. We know they're broadly safe haven assets. Crypto, we're not seeing that. Right. It doesn't have the established relationship with other markets. And everything we're seeing so far seems to suggest it broadly pro cyclical. So opposite end of the spectrum, this concept that crypto would become the new gold, I think as time progress we're seeing that's not the case. I'm not saying there's not value there, but to me it looks to be on the opposite end of the spectrum.
Stephen K. Bannon
Philip, how do people get to you right now? Because everybody's saying, hey, have I missed out on this run? Is it going to be a huge back off? I mean, there's so many questions from our audience. Obviously, many people have been engaged with you for years now. Where do people go to get access to you and your team?
Philip Patrick
Yeah, it's very simple. Berksgold.com Bannon or text Bannon to 989898 I've been chomping at the bit to get on this week, but you know, encourage people to give us a call. We'll explain exactly what's going on and what opportunities are being created in the current climate. So birchgold.com forward slash, Bannon or Bannon to 989898 okay, you've got it.
Stephen K. Bannon
Philip, Patrick and the team are waiting to take your calls and talk to you online. So let's do it. We've given you access to the smartest team out there. When we started this, I don't know, goal was 1100 bucks and we walked through exactly what was going to happen here. It's not the price, it's the process of how value is driven. So make sure you talk to Philip Patry and Team Day. Philip, thanks for taking time away from the desk to talk to us by phone.
Steve Cortez
Appreciate you.
Philip Patrick
Thank you for having me, Steve.
Stephen K. Bannon
I mean, even on days like today to do that shows you how much he cares about this audience. Okay. John Solomon, you wrote an amazing piece. We had Schmidt up. I want you to walk through this thing about the Senate because Schmidt said, hey, we can't back off one inch when they put the judicial warrants in there. You just realize they're not serious people. Cortez has made a very compelling point that the, that the self deportations, the 2 million that President Trump had in the first year is one of the reasons that affordability, particularly in real estate prices and rents are coming back. Give us your thought. Your piece, are we going to get this done in the Senate this week? Are we going to collapse, sir?
John Solomon
Well, we'll get it done in the House next week. The whip count is that they have the votes to pass this combined bill, this bill that takes citizenship check at registration and voter ID at voting as the ultimate trust factor in American elections. It's something we do every day, right? We have to show our license when we get on a plane, when we get a pack of beer at the store, when we go to the bar, or when we pick up our tickets that we'll call it a baseball stadium. Certainly for the most precious right we have in America to vote, to control our democracy and to have a voice in our constitutional republic, we can.
Stephen K. Bannon
So hold on, hold it. You're saying as a predicate. Hang on. Predicate to everything. The SAVE Act. The Save America act and make America great again or make elections great again. These different bills around, they have different aspects.
John Solomon
They're all one bill.
Stephen K. Bannon
You're saying you're going to combine it into one bill and actually get it passed in the House.
John Solomon
That's exactly what the Majority Leader, Steve Scalise, said last night. They've combined them into one bill. It's called the Save America Act. It's one bill. It has three major components of election integrity. One, you gotta provide proof of citizenship when you register. You have to provide a photo ID when you vote in a federal election. And three states must routinely and aggressively cull their voter rolls to make sure no non citizens are on there. We've had tens of thousands of non citizens be detected on voter rolls in the states over the last year or two. There's been these audits and they're very disturbing. Now people say it's only 20,000 in the country. 20,000 is enough to swing an election, as we've seen in these tight races. So those numbers are scary. In a modern society, it's easy to do this unless you're a Democrat state who doesn't want to do it. So this bill would force all three of those things. It's going to get through the House, according to Scalise and to Chip Roy. Then it will be sent over to the Senate. And then there's a two part process in the Senate to make this a reality. The first is the Democrats are going to filibuster. It's time to go back to what a filibuster was meant to be. You got to stand on your feet and talk until you drop. And the second you drop, the filibuster's over. There's a lot of old senators, they ain't going to be able to keep up a 4 or 5 or 10 or 14 week thing. Mitch McConnell created the lazy filibuster. Just say I'm filibustering and you don't have to do it. That's ridiculous. That's not what our founding fathers ever intended. It's not what the clay debates and other great moments in American history where we have lazy senators who now want to have fake filibusters. The first opportunity is for conservatives who want this done to pressure John Thune to make it a standing and talking filibuster again. That will wear down the Democrats. They might hold on for five or six weeks, but eventually they're going to run out. And when they run out, each of them gets two turns. Within a few weeks you can get a simple majority vote and that's step one. And step two is getting the Republicans on board to approve these three common sense provisions that 80% of Americans support.
Stephen K. Bannon
What's your how likely is soon to I know this is a huge priority for the president. What is your what's the over and under on Thune supporting going to a talking or standing filibuster?
John Solomon
Sir? I think there needs to be more pressure from the grassroots. He's got to feel it to be certain. I think he's thinking about it, but he's not quite there. The President's a very persuasive figure, but if tens of thousands of Americans had their voice be heard on Capitol Hill between the next week, I think a lot could happen.
Stephen K. Bannon
John, hang on for one second. I guess a couple other questions to ask you now with we got you short Commercial break John Solomon, on the.
John Solomon
Other side.
Stephen K. Bannon
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John Solomon
But a lot of attention on that one. I'll tell you.
Stephen K. Bannon
The other thing that they're actually they're more concerned about is Tulsi Gabbard down in Georgia with DNI and the FBI taking the ballots away. Here's my question. You're my inside baseball guy on this. In either the law enforcement community and or the intelligence community, are we noticing anything that makes the candle worth the game here? Is this something that you feel or you're hearing has got some traction? Because the left is actually they're more vocal about what I'm saying, but they're more concerned about that.
John Solomon
They are, they are really concerned that Tulsi Gabbard is poking around. So let's explain what I think could happen. Georgia ballots already been seized. I think you will see a similar type operation soon in Arizona. Two battleground states where there were reviews and prior concerns. And now the FBI is going to look to see whether election officials lied to conceal the flubs and failures and mistakes of those election workers. Separately, the reason that Tulsi Gabbard was down in Georgia is that there is a belief that what the intelligence community has been digging up on election integrity could be connected to what happened downstream in battleground states like Georgia and Arizona. That is a profound statement. Let me try to walk you through what we used to know and what we know now. We were told by Chris Wright and other officials after the 2020 election. We had a perfect election. There were no major foreign intrusions or foreign attempted intrusions in the 2020 election. I pretty quickly debunked that about a year later when I reported that Iran actually had hacked into a battleground state's registration system and downloaded more than 100,000 identities and was using them. Eventually, two guys got indicted in Manhattan. That's a really significant intrusion. That was not what Chris Wray told us. Then we learned from Cash Patel a couple of months ago that China was sending driver's licenses into the United States in 2020 in hopes that they could be used to create Fake ballot registrations. That is a second really significant intrusion. Both of those are run contrary to what Chris Wray and other Homeland Security officials gave us as statements during the time. I believe that the President United States is soon going to be briefed by Tulsi Gabbard and other intelligence officials based on my reporting about additional intrusions, significant large scale intrusions into various forms of our election system. Now, I'm not talking about getting a machine and flipping the vote, but maybe getting enough of state voter databases that a foreign power could work with people on the ground in the United States to fill out fake registrations for people who are on dirty voter rolls. Those licenses that were sent into Chicago were going to be used to make absentee ballot applications, according to the FBI predicate, by the way, Chris Wray's FBI didn't look at that. They shut it down. If a foreign power was that far into the election databases of state systems that they could figure out what driver's licenses to send here, the next question becomes who were they working with on the ground? Who was going to file those ballot requests? I think that's why Tulsi Gabbard was down in Georgia, why you might see her in Arizona, why the FBI will probably be in Arizona, and why the President's about to get a briefing. And all of this new information could have a profound effect on the Save America act, which is all right, some people say it feels like we're doing an awful lot. There's not a real problem. These next revelations, if the President were to declassify them after he gets debriefed on them in the next few days, they could educate senators and House members and give them a greater inspiration to maybe go ahead and do the voter ID and the citizenship check. That is a big moment. Tulsi Gabbard and Cash Patel and Pam Bondi are driving this. It's been below the radar, but they're doing some really big stuff now. The President's going to find out what it is and then at that point the opportunity can declassify it. Let's see what it is. There's one other element to this. If government officials lied to US after the 2020 election, there's still an opportunity in some of those cases to pursue criminal cases against them. We'll see where it all comes out. But that's what's going on in the background of the Save America act debate right now.
Stephen K. Bannon
John, if you were in studio right now, I would hug you. You just kind of hit rewind for no, no hit Rewind for one minute. As you remember better than anybody, we spent, I think half of 20, 21 in the great state of Arizona on this issue. And I know the Arizona Patriots. Just give me a one minute summary. When you said the word Arizona and we're already in Georgia. Just give me the 1 minute summary of Arizona because I know there's so many war room posse members from the great state of Arizona have been waiting for something to say, hey, what we did, didn't. We were not wasting our time. This is actually being reviewed by senior authority. What do you got again?
John Solomon
Yeah, again, I don't think election machines were flipping ballot counts and things like that. I think that the actual way that the elections were administered were in violation of state law. And this is very important. The laws that the Democratic Party created during the civil rights movement and the great Voting Rights act movement of the 1960s, something that all Americans are proud of, they still apply today. And those laws say you must, if you're an election administrator, conduct the election consistent with your state rules so that everybody has equal protection in your state. If Georgia and Arizona didn't do that, if Fulton county and Maricopa county did things that were in violation of state law that created an unfair or unequal election, they can be prosecuted under the Voting Rights act and other civil liberty laws for that. I think that's where it's going, that you can't just change your state procedures in violation of your law because that's what you want to do during a pandemic that could create criminal cases against election administrators. I think that when you look at the search warrant that I got to see from Fulton county this past week, those are the laws that Cash Patel's team cited. State officials not following their law, therefore creating a fraudulent election. That's where those two states are being examined right now.
Stephen K. Bannon
Solomon, where do people go for your show podcast and also your all you're writing over just the news because now you're ahead of this combination bill going to pass through the House and then go to the Senate. Where do folks go to keep up to date with everything?
John Solomon
Yeah, Real simple. Just the News.com is the website I'm lucky enough to follow you every day. Right here in real America's Voice. Six o', clock, just the news. No noise with Amanda Head and Jay Solomon reports on all social media platforms.
Stephen K. Bannon
Thank you, sir. The next couple weeks can be quite intense. Look forward to having.
John Solomon
It's going to be fun. Watch out.
Senator Eric Schmidt
We.
Stephen K. Bannon
We seconded Dave Brat. Well, Dave Brad was going anyway because he's, he's down at liberty. He's a very religious guy, as you know. Dave Brat, you were at the prayer breakfast. Give us your assessment, sir.
Dave Brat
Yeah, it was outstanding. President Trump did a tour de force and you know, years back there was a little uneasiness between the religious community. President Trump, you know what to make of each other and it's too hard to explain it right here, but basically, you know, he has cut through it all and the room was just, he was cracking joke after joke and the room was just in love with President Trump and what he's been able to do. And you know, he got serious, he said, you know, why do you think I work so hard? It's cuz I believe in something. That's why religion and faith is so important, because you got to believe in something. Why do you get up every day? What do you do, what you do? So he got, you know, that's it right there. Why are you on this planet? And so Trump, you know, people, you know, I'm religious supposedly, and he's not. I don't buy that for a second. And he, then he goes off on some evidence. You know, the Bible sales in 2025 were through the roof, up a few hundred percent. The twenty year olds up a couple hundred percent, going to church. The Johnson Amendment, he took great pride in that. If he said why some of these ministers were a little weak, weak at first, he said. And they stood up and they, one guy told me, you know, eight, 10 years ago, he says, we're just scared if we, if we mention you or politics or endorse you, we lose our, our church, we lose our tax exemption. And so President Trump said, I solved that, I solved that for him. And, and he did. And then a lot of emphasis in his talk on strength. He quoted the Bible, blessed are the peacemakers. And he said, you know, I, one of the key lines a lot of the religious people, like he says, you know, I'm not a perfect guy. He says, but I'm here to protect you perfect people. And boy, that line really resonated. And he cuts through things, right, which would take hours to explain, you know, with all the differences in the religions and whatever. But he just cuts through it. On the international front, Secretary of War Pete Heggs had to sit and out the end, he refer, referred to him several times. Other secretaries went across the board with the accomplishments. But hegseth, he really gave a shout out and you know, the, the taking it to the Nigerian radicals, the herdsmen, neither, you know, you Know that some of it's not religious and they took out the evildoers who are killing the kids over in Nigeria twice. Uh, and any, you know, reference to other events around the world. Seven. He went through seven of his, uh, key peace initiatives and breakthroughs he's made to give the world peace. He said, people want peace on the streets, in the cities. That's what I'm doing. People say, I'm mean, people say, I mean, that's not, that's not true. He said, I, I'm trying to provide a good safe cities and look at Washington D.C. look what I've done across the board a little bit. He went off some funny stuff. You know, I'm the most indicted guy in the world, but that's linked to this election fraud. And he went there, he went everywhere in the talk. It was a superb talk. You could see some Democrats down there, a little fidgety and whatever. And by the end they were smiling, laughing, going. I know he, you know, everyone wants to.
Stephen K. Bannon
Is the, is the. He said, he made a comment that I thought was very. At the end, his speechwriter put in when he went back to the glass or went back to the official speech and said, I think blessed are the pure of heart. And he goes back, he says, hey, I don't know if that's me. I don't know how pure my heart is. And that got left. But is the religious community there? Are their loins girded for the fight we have in front of us? I mean, these next couple weeks gonna be tough. And then all the way through the midterms, it's not gonna get easier. You've seen the kind of Marxist atheistic jihadist Red Green alliance is that crowd, I realize they come together to pray and they like the president coming, but man, you know, the, A prayer at the end said, buffet you for all the storms ahead. And my point is that, hey, the storm has arrived. Do the folks in that audience are doing the praying? The, the pure of heart? Are they, are they coming at us? Are they going to be Bravehearts? Are they going to curl up in a ball and say, this is just too tough for us? Let me go back. Let me go back to my prayer book and I'll pray for you guys.
Dave Brat
Yeah, that's still a tough one. Honestly, I'd say about a third of that room are some fighters in there. You could tell by the react. Third, you know, will do it discreetly and then a third are just wimps and not ready to do what it takes. But you know, he, he referenced all the indictments against him. I'm the most sued person.
Stephen K. Bannon
Okay, but hang on, but hang on, but hang on, but hang on. Can we, can we win with only a third being Bravehearts? Is that enough? Throw weight? Is that enough that we have look to come to the prayer breakfast? You're obviously fairly engaged in knowing this is a spiritual war. Knowing it's a spiritual war. You're saying one third's kind of do it under, you know, they'll do it when it's easy to do. A third is, I'm not going to do it. I mean, how are we going to win in a spiritual war when our spiritual warriors are not girded for battle?
Dave Brat
Yeah, well you, you, the, the evangelical vote and he referenced it was 80% over 80% last time. So the voting is there, but the fighting and the grassroots work is not there, but the war room. And you know the new promising piece he quoted, you know that the 20 year olds are up, you know, several hundred percent, church attendance, faith. And they're the media savvy people, they're the social media getting stuff to go viral. And so the parents are learning I think from the kids and so, but yeah, I don't want to get all rosy scenario. I don't see it there yet coming from the religious community. And it really ought to be the war that some people just don't know what's going on. Right. But just look at Minnesota. If you have election tomorrow, they'll vote for the corruption again.
Stephen K. Bannon
Hang on, full stop. How can you sit there and say people don't know what's going on. They may want to avoid it, they may not want to talk about. You cannot live in America today and not see what's going on, can you?
Dave Brat
Well, if you poll people on the 20 billion in fraud, no one would know about it. If you poll people on the illegality elections, they don't know about it. They, they know there's corruption all over. They know things are going south. But the, the, you know, he was fighting the mainstream media the whole way, the whole way was fighting them and mocking them. And that's where we are.
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Steve Cortez
When you think of central Illinois in the American heartland, you probably conjure up images of abundant fertile farms, windswept plains, hardy Midwestern patriots, and perhaps even the University of Illinois fighting Illini. But unfortunately you should also picture this. That's a Laine Eye football broadcast in Mandarin Chinese in the middle of America. Why is it just insane for us to effectively educate our enemies?
Stephen K. Bannon
That is part of the ecosystem. We are providing an ecosystem for the Chinese Communist Party actually to stay competitive with us. We're providing them access to American equity markets, mass access to American debt markets, to basically pension funds, workers. Money in the United States whose jobs are being shipped overseas are essentially paying for that as we're financing that. Also the training. They're in our national labs, they're in companies here in the United States. But particularly we have 350,000 or more because I'm not even sure we know the exact number that we are taking into our best universities and training them in competition to our own people.
Senator Eric Schmidt
And we need to be a patriotic nation. I mean we, you know, I'm American. I love the fact that I'm American. I'm blessed that I'm American. On the one hand I'm proud to be an American, but on the other hand I am blessed to be an American. And it really hurts my heart when I see teaching institutions or any institution that is denigrating the American or our Western culture.
Stephen K. Bannon
Okay, the Big Ten and the Fighting Illini. Illinois, a great university. How do we get in a situation, Steve, of now? Because I keep saying it's the public IVs. It's not the Ivy League. That's a problem. And they're all over the Ivy League. But it's the University of Michigan, it's University of Wisconsin, it's Berkeley, it's Illinois, it's University of Virginia, North Carolina. These public Ivies are where the big problem is, because this is where kids, particularly in state kids of every demographic, every faith should be able to go to school. If you're an American citizen, your parents have been here for a while. This is the problem. We're taking these, we're taking these Chinese nationals. And a lot of times it's not this kid's fault, but they've all got to sign up to report back to the CCP intelligence, sir.
Steve Cortez
That's exactly right. And by the way, yes, the pressure on those young Chinese is intense and I feel for them. They're victims of the Chinese Communist Party as well. But I'm concerned with the American victims of this entire rotten structure. That last guest we showed there, Tony Robinson, he's a fantastic example of what these universities can do and used to do. He grew up on the south side of Chicago. Young black man with a single mom, was brilliant, studied hard, went to University of Illinois, studied chemistry. And Steve, it changed his life. He became an industrial chemist and he is now somewhat retired into teaching chemistry. He's now passing that forward to the next generation because that's the kind of patriot and man he is. He says in that full interview, he says, I'm not sure I get that chance. It's going to go, that spot's going to go to a Chinese national now from overseas instead of an American at a flagship university. And it's happening all over the country. Unfortunately, one of the worst cases is University of Illinois. That's why I highlighted it. 6,000 Chinese nationals in the middle of the American heartland. By the way, the Chinese government, they're evil, but they're not dumb. Why do they choose U of I? Because it's so good at stem. Because people like Marc Andreessen and Larry Ellison came out of University of Illinois. A lot of amazing companies and amazing technological developments have come out of U of I. We're now going to pass that knowledge on to the Chinese. And by the way, in some cases, it's not passed the knowledge on. It's have the knowledge stolen from us. You mentioned University of Michigan, of course. We just had shot shocking indictments of Chinese students at the University of Michigan who were literally smuggling bioweapons into the United States in an attempt, we believe, to attack American agriculture, to poison our food. So, you know, in the, in the most benign case, we're taking opportunity from Americans and we shouldn't be doing that. In the worst case, we are actually inviting spies and saboteurs into the United States. We're incentivizing them to come in. And these universities are at fault, the politicians are at fault. And folks, we're paying for it. Here's the thing, even if you've never been to college, if you've never sent a kid to college, all of us, every one of us are financing these schools. And not just the state schools, in many ways we actually finance the private institutions, the Ivy Leagues even more. Columbia University, for example, the home of Alexander Hamilton, half foreign, gets billions of dollars in foreign aid. So I'm making the case in this documentary. And Steve, you were a critical part of this documentary everybody needs to watch. Particularly for the Steve Bannon segment, which is so key. I'm making the case that the number of Chinese nationals at American universities should be zero. It should be bagel, none. And the number of foreign students overall should be capped at an extremely low level. I'm arguing for 1%, but something reasonable. Not the 25, 30, 40% that we're seeing at these selective universities again, that we subsidize.
Stephen K. Bannon
No. And make those available to local kids. I know how great University of Illinois is. The great Grace Chong, one of the most brilliant people I've had an opportunity to work with for many decades, came out of University Illinois. I think she's a kid from Chicago. Make it available to the kids from Chicago. Make it available to the kids from Illinois. We don't need Chinese Communist party here taking 6,000 billets immediately. Turn those all over. And here's the reason they're taking higher tuition from the CCP guys. The people in state pay a lower tuition. That arbitrage is what pays the tenure in the retirement for these left wing professors. This is the jam we've got ourselves in. And particularly when you talk about the more technical programs both in business and in agriculture and in chemistry and the sciences and particularly technology. You're absolutely correct. Before I lose you, Steve, real quickly, where do people go to get all the content? Because I got to ask you about Meeks. Where do people go?
Steve Cortez
Cortez investigates, Dot com. Cortez with an S at the end. Cortez investigates dot com it's free. Watch it. Share it. We don't we're not monetizing this. We want the world to see this. We want all Americans to get angry, informed, and then take action.
Stephen K. Bannon
Hang on. Senator Schmidt's going to be next. I'm asking Steve if you could hang around. Elizabeth Warren is lighting up Scott Besant today. Scott Bessant there to walk through the president's economic plan with the Banking Committee. She's the ranking member. Real Quickly, Steve, 30 seconds. Meeks attacked, attacked Scott Besant hammer and tong yesterday. Tell me about Meeks.
Steve Cortez
Yeah, so let's look at Meeks. 2008. He had to pay $63,000 to the FEC for using campaign funds for personal expenses, including personal personal trainer and his own personal vehicle. He also took a zero interest loan from a donor. He bought a home for $170,000 less than it was worth from a donor. He cozied up to Chavez when he was in charge of Venezuela. Meeks is intrinsically corrupt. He is no one to be lecturing. The great Scott Besson short commercial break.
Stephen K. Bannon
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Date: February 5, 2026
Host: Stephen K. Bannon (WarRoom.org)
Key Guests: Senator Eric Schmidt (Missouri), Steve Cortez, John Solomon, Philip Patrick, Dave Brat
This episode of Bannon’s War Room centers on the urgent push from the MAGA movement and allied Republican lawmakers to resist Democratic compromise on immigration and border security, particularly around mass deportation, sanctuary city policy, and the empowerment of ICE. The show frames these battles as foundational not only to the conservative movement but to the preservation of American civilization itself. The episode also touches on perceived threats to American elections, economic policy, foreign influence in American academia, and the mobilization of the political and religious base for the upcoming legislative and electoral fights.
Timestamp: 00:53 – 13:44 (Opening Segment feat. Sen. Eric Schmidt)
Timestamp: 16:32 – 24:10 (Panel: John Solomon, Steve Cortez, Philip Patrick)
Timestamp: 24:10 – 36:51 (John Solomon, Bannon Segment)
Timestamp: 36:51 – 43:40 (Dave Brat Segment)
Timestamp: 45:27 – 52:17 (Steve Cortez, Bannon)
The episode maintains an urgent, combative, and unapologetically partisan tone, frequently invoking “the people,” existential stakes, and the necessity of toughness and unity. Humor and bombast are intermixed (“going medieval,” “not giving an inch”), but the core message is clear: now is not the time to compromise. Both import of the moment (“two week window”) and the need for grassroots mobilization are stressed repeatedly.
Episode 5121 offers a comprehensive look at current hot-button issues on the American right: border security, mass deportation, election integrity, economic recovery, and threats from China. Bannon and his guests—led by Senator Eric Schmidt—rally listeners with a mix of policy detail, movement pep talk, and calls to action as legislative battles heat up. Despite moments of humor and personal anecdote, the through-line remains: Hold the line, don’t bend, and prepare for a defining political and cultural showdown.