Episode 5124: Finance Industry Is A Grift

Summary

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Bannon's War Room, Episode 5124: "Finance Industry Is A Grift"

Date: February 6, 2026
Host: Steve Bannon (WarRoom.org)
Key Guests: Oren Cass, Dr. Bradley Thayer, Taj Gill, Andrew Colvett, Shannon Everett

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Overview

This episode centers on the state of global finance, institutional decay, the threat (and potential causes) of civil strife in the West, and the broader struggle over American national identity. Through discussion with policy experts and front-line voices, the episode explores the notion that modern finance has become a parasitic grift rather than a value-generating force, drawing out recommendations for reform and contextualizing these issues within broader societal threats, including immigration and cultural change.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Finance Industry as a "Grift"

Guest: Oren Cass (American Compass)

• Cass’s new piece in The New York Times labels the financial industry as fundamentally extractive and disconnected from its original purpose.
• Cass argues:
  • Finance (private equity, hedge funds, private credit) now enriches insiders with negligible social benefit.
  • “It's not the edge case, it's not the lawbreaker, it's, it's the entire exercise.” — Oren Cass [04:48]
• The conversation connects the malaise of economic opportunity and political instability to the post-2008 financial reforms, which failed to correct systemic issues and only entrenched elite wealth.

Quote:
“If you're not creating any value and you end up with tremendous wealth, it's safe to assume that means you just took that money from somewhere else.”
— Oren Cass [05:40]

• Bannon draws parallels to 2016’s anti-establishment surge, blaming financial consolidation and lack of reforms for ongoing crisis and disenfranchisement.

2. The Decay of American Capitalism

• Both Bannon and Cass stress the lost “American System”—a capitalism rooted in productive enterprise, public infrastructure, and a disciplined, rule-bound financial sector.
• Cass asserts the U.S. has drifted into “late-stage finance capitalism” where profits for moving money have replaced building things.

Quote:
“We have capitalism with a lot of grift on top.”
— Oren Cass [07:33]

• They call for regulatory measures to place finance back in a subservient, utilitarian position, aligning wealth with social contribution.

3. Policy Solutions: Saving Capitalism from the Capitalists

Cass proposes, if meeting with the (hypothetical) Secretary of Treasury:

• Tax financial transactions: Discourage speculative trades, incentivize real enterprise.
• Improve transparency: Require far more disclosure of financial sector performance and compensation.
• Make productive business attractive: Continue reshoring industry—chips, shipping, critical minerals.

Quote:
“Every person who goes and builds a real business, builds things in this country, is helping us all. Every person who goes to Wall Street and starts a hedge fund is not.”
— Oren Cass [19:32]

• Bannon underscores the need to broaden capital access and rekindle mass participation in American capitalism.

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4. Brewing Civil Conflict:

Addressing broad anxieties over national division, Bannon turns to the looming “civil war” in the West:

Taj Gill (Veteran, Entrepreneur)

• Argues that cultural fragmentation in the U.S. is exacerbated by mass immigration, lack of assimilation, and the ideological influence of foreign and globalist actors.
• Calls for a “Re-Immigration Office” to both deport non-assimilating immigrants and stem future flows, recalling when immigrants “used to learn all about our culture.”

Quote:
“They do not assimilate in America. They start up their own cultures, they start up no-go zones. They don't like Americans, they don't like America.”
— Taj Gill [21:35]

Dr. Bradley Thayer (Strategist)

• Identifies the root of Western unraveling as “Bolshevik ideology in a neo-Bolshevik form,” pushed by European/global elites.
• Lays out a Trumpist strategy to “save Western civilization,” including:
  1. Tariffs against EU to increase costs for undermining U.S. interests.
  2. Restrict intelligence cooperation with the UK.
  3. Restrict military cooperation with EU countries.
  4. Support for repeat ‘Brexits’ and diversified trade zones.
  5. Creation of an Office of Remigration to coordinate mass deportations and policy transfer to other countries.

Quote:
“Western civilization is in the balance.”
— Dr. Bradley Thayer [27:05]

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5. The Turning Point All-American Halftime Show

Guest: Andrew Colvett (Co-host, Charlie Kirk Show)

• Reflects on Charlie Kirk's long-term vision for conservative cultural engagement, culminating in an alternative Super Bowl halftime show.
• Emphasizes perseverance, values, and maintaining a positive yet uncompromising stance in cultural battles.

Quote:
“He was in college campuses... because that's where they need us. And, you know, when it became really apparent to us that the professional sports league ... didn't want to honor the forgotten men and women ... we knew that there was a need in the marketplace.”
— Andrew Colvett [33:43]

• Provides practical viewing instructions for the show, which airs on multiple platforms (YouTube, Rumble, TBN, Real America’s Voice, etc.).

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6. Immigration, Trucking, and Public Safety

Guest: Shannon Everett (American Truckers United)

• Reports ongoing issues with unqualified, undocumented immigrant truck drivers causing fatalities.
• White House acknowledged the issue, but Everett stresses that bureaucratic inertia and federal agency loopholes allow the problem to persist.
• Advocates for revoking all improperly issued Commercial Driver’s Licenses (CDLs) and holding liable the companies profiting from such labor.

Quote:
“Wall Street corporations are brokering freight to illegal aliens ... they're operating behind willful blindness, pretending that they don't know.”
— Shannon Everett [50:47]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Oren Cass:
  • “The people on Wall Street have no clothes, they're naked. A lot of what they do is ridiculous. It's clearly not valuable.” [12:17]
• Steve Bannon:
  • “This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.” [00:02]
• Taj Gill:
  • “No, there's nothing in these countries that we need to bring to the United States.” [23:21]
• Dr. Bradley Thayer:
  • “The era of mass immigration is over ... legal immigration is going to go from the aperture of a storm drain to the aperture of a straw.” [42:41]
• Andrew Colvett:
  • “He was a missionary to culture ... he went into the parts of culture that didn't want him but that needed him the most.” [34:18]
• Shannon Everett:
  • “We did accomplish the mission of elevating this message and bringing the message to the attention of the national media and the American people.” [47:19]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Opening theme & Introduction: [00:02]
• Institutional decay & biography of Scalia: [01:00 – 04:40]
• Finance industry as grift w/ Oren Cass: [04:48 – 13:16]
• Origins of American capitalism vs. current system: [09:26 – 11:16]
• Cass’s policy prescriptions: [18:38 – 19:46]
• Immigration, “re-migration,” & causes of civil conflict: [21:26 – 27:05]
• Dr. Thayer on Western civilization at risk: [25:01 – 28:15]
• Cultural engagement & All-American Halftime Show: [31:08 – 38:10]
• Shannon Everett on immigrant trucker issue: [47:12 – 51:23]

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Language & Tone

The conversation is combative, urgent, and populist, with the underlying message that elites (in finance, global institutions, and media) are betraying the common American. Guests employ a mix of policy wonkiness and rhetorical flourish; the tone frequently veers between dire seriousness and hopeful activism, with a premium on direct action and community mobilization.

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Conclusion

This comprehensive episode weaves together critiques of global finance, warnings about national disintegration, and calls for cultural and economic renewal. The message is both a warning about elite “grift” and a prescription—a return to productive capitalism, tough borders, and a reassertion of national and cultural resilience.

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Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. There's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.

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[Steve Bannon]

I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Andrew Colvett]

And where do people like that go.

[Steve Bannon]

To share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

If that answer is to save my.

[Steve Bannon]

Country, this country will be saved. WAR ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. It's Febru. It is Friday, Friday the 6th of February, in the year of our Lord 2026. There is a method to my madness this morning on the show because I wanted to talk. We have all this conversation about civil war and the path to civil war. We've had the clip from Ben Harnwell's amazing interview with Dr. Betts at King's College, where he's the tenured professor of modern warfare and I think considered one of the leading experts on modern warfare in the broad context of what that means, because modern warfare is not simply kinetic, it is also unrestricted warfare. As we've taught you over the last five or six years on the show, we start with, but it's about also about institutions. This is why we start today with James Rosen, the chief Washington correspondent for Newsmax. In the second volume of his magisterial biography of one of the greatest Americans, not simply of modern times, but I think of all time, and that is Associate Justice Scalia. The second volume is the Supreme Court Years. If the first volume is the Rise to Greatness, it takes you all the way through Scalia's life, his confirmation hearing. The second volume you pick up the first day he joined the Supreme Court and goes all the way through the 2000 election, the contested election there in Bush v. Gore, in the decisions of the Supreme Court. I can't recommend a book highly. More highly. And also for young people in your life. This is like the Buckley book, Sam Tanenhaus's book, which we sent to what, I don't know, the second, third, fourth printing. This audience and the feedback I've gotten is fantastic. James Rosen is the same type of writer. These are books almost read like novels and you just want to turn the page to do that. But it was about the institution and how fundamental Associate Justice Scalia was in changing the institution of the Supreme Court, particularly about originalism and about textualism. And that's why you're going to learn a lot. You understand the presence. I'm very proud that I sat on the five man selection committee as the only non lawyer for the selection of Gorsuch to replace Justice Scalia after he. Of course you can't replace people like Scalia. You can't replace people like Associate Justice Thomas, just like he can't replace Charlie Kirk and he can't replace Andrew Breitbart. There's some people that come along, they're just unique and totally unique individuals and can't be replaced. But you will learn a lot. Dr. Thayer and Taj Gill are going to return here momentarily. We're going to talk about the peace in the Federalist today from our own Dr. Bradley Thayer. That is quite extraordinary about this potential civil war in the West. Of course, doctor At King's College says not only is it coming, but the election of Nigel Farage as reform. Remember what Nigel has done is extraordinary. He's taken a party basically he created and now as I think 2x what the Tories are and the Tories have been around for 250 years, longer maybe I think the 50 years. So it's extraordinary. He says that will only slow it down. But the path in the United Kingdom is set. When we talk about institutions, one of the ones we talk about so much is global capital, the global capital markets, finance. The great Oren Cass, I guess it's coming out, it's online now. It's coming out on Sunday in the New York Times. You eviscerate the Wall street, the lords of easy money. And you just say right in the headline it's a grift. And they ought to be, they ought to be treated like grifters. One, how did the New York Times publish this? And number two, walk us through the piece.

[Oren Cass]

Well, I should say actually it has been a long time in coming, but the, the Times editor I work with was, was great and actually really encouraged focusing on this point that you know, there is so much discussion about bad actors on Wall street, right, like oh, these looters or you know, this fraud and so forth. And I think there's a much broader, more important point which is that it's not the edge case, it's not the lawbreaker, it's, it's the entire exercise. It is the, the fundamentals of, you know, what we have in private equity, what we have in hedge funds, what we have now in what's called private credit, it's just all this stuff that has been layered atop the actual legitimate purposes of financial markets that doesn't create any value and yet ends up with tremendous wealth. And if you're not creating any value and you end up with tremendous wealth, it's safe to assume that means you just took that money from somewhere else. And I think that is one of the fundamental problems we have in our economy today is one of the best ways to make money where we're sending a lot of our best talent people who could be starting great businesses, creating good jobs. Instead they're going to trade money around in circles and somehow we sort of, not only do we tolerate it, in a lot of cases, we celebrate it and take it seriously as, as a sign that something useful must be going on.

[Steve Bannon]

Look, the the reason, one of the principal reasons President Trump won on 8 November of 2016 or early in the morning he was declared the winner of November 9th is the Fuse that was lit off by the financial crash in 2008. Now because of the efforts to bail out the system, they consolidated wealth empowerment. Obama, the most progressive president in history, supposedly had a knee jerk reaction with Tim Geithner. People around him guiding him because he was a basically a constitutional law professor, didn't really understand capital markets but they came up with policies, as has been shown in the great book Lords of Easy Money that essentially bailed out the system and bailed out the wealthy with the greatest concentration of wealth in mankind's history. However, there were supposed to be reforms made. So are you saying today that we're now in, you know what, 17, 18 years later we're in a situation that because capitalism should be the fundamental part of capitalism should be free and fair and accessible capital markets. Are you saying we don't actually have a capitalist system? This is more corporatist than we even scream about here in war room. Or is it at the basis we do have capitalism with just a lot of grift on top. Is the whole system rotten to its core?

[Oren Cass]

I think it's more that we have capitalism with a lot of grift on top. One thing I try to emphasize in the piece and one of the they find the title that will get the most people to click on it, the working title was Saving capitalism from the capitalists because I think the basic system of capitalism is still a good way. The best way anyone knows to structure an economy and for that matter healthy financial markets are a really important thing. We need to have markets that allow Savers to consolidate their savings and to deploy that capital to productive uses. The problem is that that's not what financial markets do today. In fact, even as financial markets, as the financial sector has grown to be an ever larger part of the economy, more of gdp, more of profits, you know, attracting more of the top talent, generating more of the richest people, there has been no correlating increase in investment. To the contrary, the actual real investment that we get in the economy keeps declining. And so I think, whereas there's been this idea certainly promoted by the folks on Wall street, promoted by a lot of the folks you, you were describing in the Obama world, certainly in the Bush world, also certainly a people in the Trump world. There's this idea that, well, if, you know, if the financial sector is doing incredibly well, that must somehow mean the economy is doing well, right? Well, look how high the stock market went up. That must mean we're doing well. Those things have just become entirely disconnected. And so the question is, can we essentially put the financial sector back in its place? Say we want to have a healthy financial sector, but that's defined by whether you're actually doing your, your frankly pretty boring job of consolidating capital, deploying capital well so that the real action is happening in the real economy where it can actually benefit the typical family.

[Steve Bannon]

How do we make these. Because I argue we have a capitalist system with almost no capitalists because 80 or 90% of the American people really don't have access to it, don't participate in it. And 50% of the country is abject, been here for generations and have no access to this. But where do you think you're slipping into what Lyndon LaRouche used to talk about all the time about productivity and he's gotta be focused on manufacturing and you gotta get away from this. I mean, he was mad as a hatter, but some of the things he had to say were quite profound. Do you think it's those types of reforms that have to take place?

[Oren Cass]

Well, I think it's important to say this is also the stuff that, you know, Adam Smith was talking about and Abraham Lincoln was talking about and that, you know, most of our great economists, most of our great political leaders, until quite recently, all recognized for that matter. You know, many of our great popes have, have recognized this. It has always been understood that, that an out of control financial sector is a concern is something that you're going to get if you don't pay attention to it and, and is going to be a plague on the real useful kind of capitalism. And so I think, you know, one thing we're starting to hang on a lot better.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on. So let's, I want to make sure we name this as a construct for people. So you, you're, we're dancing around. It's the American system. It's what Hamilton and I say along with the Declaration of Independence, something that doesn't get as much play, that almost should is Hamilton's report on manufacturers. And you had, you know, Andrew Jackson was part of that. Lincoln as a Whig, this whole party stood for this, the American system. And I kind of say this is what Lyndon LaRoche's people also talk about. Talk to me about the American system. Why is the alternative quite different than late stage finance capitalism that we find ourselves in this kind of cul de sac?

[Oren Cass]

Yeah, The American system, as you just said exactly right, is what built America into the greatest country and economy in the world that led to the unbelievable prosperity of the middle class. It was obviously a capitalist system. It was a free market system, but it was one that recognized that not anything you do that generates a profit is equally valuable. And also that you, you really do actually need a role for government, that you need to make sure that domestic industry is strong in competition against other countries. You need to certainly invest a lot in things like, you know, infrastructure. I mean, whether it was railroads and canals back in the day or, you know, electrification, all of these things were massive public projects. And you need a financial system that is specifically structured and regulated in the public interest to make sure that what is happening in financial markets doesn't become an end unto itself. Right. You're not trading for the sake of trading, but that it is actually fulfilling its function of, of helping things to happen in the real world. And that is the tradition that the US followed all the way through the middle of the 20th century. It's only in the last few decades that, that we gave in to this idea that no, no, no markets in and of themselves, whatever they do, is always going to be the most efficient and productive thing. And if, if we just get out of the way and, you know, let the people on Wall street cook as, as the kids would say, that will generate the most prosperity for everybody. And, and it's just not true. There's nothing in economic theory that would say it's true. There's nothing in, in human history that would say it's true. And I think we've really paid the price for going along with that. Instead of being willing to say, you know, as I say in the piece. The, the people on Wall street have no clothes, they're naked. A lot of what they do is ridiculous. It's clearly not valuable. And you know, we need the right regulation, but we also need a culture that's, that's willing to say that and that we deserve better.

[Steve Bannon]

How do you, if you got a meeting and we had you over for a cup of coffee with, with Scott Besant, Secretary treasury, before you guys went to the White House, we got a minute here on this side and, and I tell you what, hang on. Why don't you just hang on for a second because I want to get to the recommendations here because when you talk about civil war in the Civil War in the middle of the 19th century, these were some of the issues that were underlying because remember the plantation aristocracy called the Tidewater plantation aristocracy, particularly around places like Charleston. Remember at the time when the Civil War started, I think there were more what would be associated today as billionaires per capita in Charleston than any place on earth. They believed that the investment was in human capital. That was what slavery was about. They thought humans owning humans was a capital asset. And one of the big differences in Abraham Lincoln and what they, their idea was that you had to build canals and railroads and you needed some sort of either government regulation to do that or maybe even potential financing or helping with financing. And that was one of the big rifts of the, they were high tariffs in the north and of course no tariffs. Some sort of partnership with the British in the, in the south, what became the Confederacy. Oren Cass has a brilliant piece in this weekend's New York Times. Want everybody to get access to it. He's going to on the other side, he's going to give us some recommendations. The President next.

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[Oren Cass]

Well, in the context of these issues in the financial markets, I think number one is we're going to just crack down on the stuff that is not useful. So instead of taxing people who actually build businesses that are successful, we're going to put the tax on transactions. So if you're just trading all day in the market, we'd much rather tax that than somebody who's building a business. I think number two is information. Like so much of this is done in ways where there's just no way to even track, okay, how are these things performing? Is anything useful being done or not? We need to have much better disclosure on, on how these firms are performing, who's making the money, who's collecting the fees. And then number three, we got to stay focused on, on the other side. We got to stay focused on making it more attractive to do productive things. And we're starting to see that in chips, in ships, in critical minerals. I think that's a place where the Trump administration has, you know, been making huge strides and we have to keep pushing on that. Every person who goes and builds a real business, builds things in this country, is helping us all. Every person who goes to Wall street and starts a hedge fund is not.

[Steve Bannon]

There's many hedge funds I think as McDonald franchises. If somebody told me anyway, that'd be a great conversation. That'd be a quite interesting conversation with Scott Bess. And we talk about, I think we got a tax transactions brother. You're getting to the core of the problem. All of a sudden they're not going to have those big, those big out in the Hamptons or in Cass. You are a troublemaker, sir. But you come with a high powered brain. So we love having you on. Where, where do people get you?

[Oren Cass]

My organization is American Compass. We publish a great magazine called [e-mail]. definitely subscribe to that in your inbox a few times a week. And I am on Twitter or X as they call it now. Orencast.

[Steve Bannon]

Well, I'd love to have you back on. I want to see the thing published. Gotta get my print edition of the Times this Sunday to see this and then, and then have you back on next week. Thank you. Or I appreciate it.

[Oren Cass]

Thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

Fantastic.

[Mike Lindell]

Wow.

[Steve Bannon]

We're going to tax transactions. Hello. It's cutting to the chase. Talk about this. Dr. Thayer. Well, first off is I do I have Tasia is I have Tasgo with me. Taj Gill, the coming civil war. Dr. Betts talked about it. It's coming in the United Kingdom. You see, it's happening in Paris. I've said this for a couple of years now. You're not going to veer off of this in the United States. This is one of the reasons we're in Texas, one of the reasons we're focused on prohibiting and banning Sharia law in the great state of Texas. Your thoughts about how do we divert Taj? Because you're a man of peace. Spent your, I don't know, 20 years being a man of war, but you're a man of peace now with a great coffee company. How do we avert civil war, sir?

[Taj Gill]

We need to get the people out that hate America and they're being funded by guys like George Soros, Alex Soros, like I read Bradley Thayer's article. A lot of this stuff comes out of England, the European Union, but let's not forget the radical Islam in the Middle East. And then we got China pushing it from their side. So, you know, we have the communists, we got the Muslims, and then we have these left wing radicals in the European Union pushing their ideology on America in this, you know, 20 million illegal immigrants, that's disputable. 10 to 20 million somewhere in there. And these people, they do not assimilate in America. They, they start up their own cultures, they start up no go zones. They don't like Americans, they don't like America. They're sending money back to their own country.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on. And you're, how many tours did you.

[Taj Gill]

I like this RE immigration theory. This?

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, no, this.

[Taj Gill]

I'd love the RE immigration office.

[Steve Bannon]

And then we might turn the volume.

[Taj Gill]

On the deportion and deporting these people. It slowed down. It started out with a bang last year, but the deportations have actually slowed down. We need to turn up the volume on the deportation, start the RE immigration office and get these people out of our country. You know, when immigrants used to come here to America, they used to go to a two year, three year program and they actually would assimilate. They'd learn all about our culture, they learn about the history of America. And a lot of these people, most of these people actually loved America and they were proud Americans, the immigrants. And they don't do that anymore.

[Steve Bannon]

You spent how many tour, tell me again, remind me, how many tours in defense of your country did you spend over in Islamic nation, sir?

[Taj Gill]

16 times in Iraq and Afghanistan from 2001-20.

[Steve Bannon]

Did you see anything, did you see anything in those cultures and societies you thought would be, would be appropriate for like, say, a culture like the great state of Texas, sir?

[Taj Gill]

No, Steve, no. If you spend time in, you know, you go places like Iraq, it's. You have the Sunnis, the Shias, Shiites and the Kurds, and there's a civil war there. And, you know, it's. Everybody's against everybody there. Everybody's killing each other. Saddam Hussein ruled that place with an iron fist, and as soon as he's gone, it was complete chaos. And then Afghanistan, like I've told you before, they're. We used to call them stone stackers with machine guns. They're a primitive culture. They, they live out in the middle of nowhere, most of these places. And then in the city, in Kabul, the capital, there's car bombs daily. There's people being killed. And now we'll get the Taliban's back in power. So we spent 20 years in Afghanistan to push the Taliban and Al Qaeda out, and guess what? The Taliban and Al Qaeda are back in power after 20 years, but through failed leadership of Barack Obama and Joe Biden, it's. Nothing changed there. They're actually more powerful now. We left $85 billion in America hardware in Afghanistan and pulled out like a disgrace to our country. So, no, there's nothing in these countries that we need to bring to the United States. There's nothing. There's nothing we can take from Afghanistan, not their farming, not their culture, nothing we can take some guerrilla warfare tactics from. But that's about it.

[Steve Bannon]

Dr. Bradley Thayer, I want everybody read this essay. It's very well thought through as people saying, hey, this civil war can't be reversed. You say, no, it can be, but we got to win it. Walk me through your other points.

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

Absolutely, Steve. So the cause of this is well understood. It's Bolshevik ideology in a neo Bolshevik form, which is the ideology of the European elite. And can the Canadian elite and in Australia as well, as well as among the Democrats in the US the Trump administration has warned the EU, the Warsaw speech in July of 2017, the National Security Strategy, which came out in December of this year, excuse me, of 2025. And then the Davos speech that President Trump gave in January, all warned the European Union that they don't get to destroy Western civilization. Right. That Western civilization also belongs to the United States. It belongs to Americans, and we get a veto. What did the EU do? They gave President Trump the middle finger on Tuesday, July, January 27, 2026. Right. In Spain, they granted over 500,000 residency permits. And in India, the Ursula von der Leyden opened up the migration agreement, which is going to allow tens of millions of Indians to enter the European Union. The EU has been warned. So now President Trump has got to solve this problem to save Western civilization. First, increase the costs to the European Union. Peter Navarro's a magician. He's got his bag of tariffs. Let's start employing them against the European Union. Secondly, because they'll probably absorb the cost of the tariff. Right. Their ideology and their determination to destroy the west is very strong. Britain is part of the five eyes. Intelligence cooperation. We can restrict intelligence cooperation. It's not done lightly. But they've really got to feel the pain because these agreements are coming into effect now. The EU agreement will come in in 2027, so by the time President Trump leaves office, you could have many more. 10 of millions of Indians living in the European Union. And of course, Spain, 500,000 is taking place almost immediately. And there's always essentially, family unification. So 500,000 really means 4 million plus when we're talking about that. So restrict intelligence for the U.K. thirdly, military cooperation. Again, not done lightly. European, have we fought wars together? We have a long history together. But that's really going to get their attention, which is what we need to do. This cannot go on. Western civilization is in the balance. Fourth, Brexit. Right. Let's have multiple Brexits. Right. Ireland perhaps should think about exiting the European Union, and there may be elements or points where the US could assist in that regard, as well as developing new trade zones. Right. So that the Irish population doesn't incur a cost, economic cost, from that. And lastly, Office of Remigration. Let's strategize, let's coordinate, and let's develop policies.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on, I want to come back. I love that office idea. We're going to drill down more. Taj Gill, Dr. Bradley Thayer, Andrew Colvette, and Charlie Kirkshaw is going to join us. Also, we're going to bring the truckers in.

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[Steve Bannon]

Andrew Colvette, the co host of the Charlie Kirk show, joins me. I can't get out of my mind what you told me 12 years ago. And this says more about Charlie Kirk. This every young person that says, I want to be Charlie Kirk, I want to help Charlie Kirk. I want to assist. Andrew, brought up yesterday, 12 years ago, Charlie Kirk put out a tweet about this very topic. I think this is when Jackson's sister had the had the problem with her garbage. Whether it was intentional or not, I guess is still controversial. Charlie put out a tweet. It had one like this is the lesson of Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk was a grinder. When he put his mind to something, he made it great. It didn't always start great. It started small, tiny. The little seed. One like, one like and look, this Sunday is the culmination of what Charlie always envisioned before he was assassinated. This is the lesson of the man. As nice as he was, as gentlemanly as he was, I tell people, Charlie Kirk is one of the hardest, toughest people I ever met in my entire life. This was a hard, tough guy. And he could keep his gentlemanly demeanor and listen to people and very politely argue with them, which is a superpower in and of itself. But the hard steel at the core, Andrew Colvett was the one like. And 12 years later, through relentless work, it's finally coming to fruition. Your thoughts, sir?

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, actually, I found1 from 14 years ago, actually, as well, where he said, I never knew singing could be this bad. Hashtag Halftime, hashtag Madonna is a joke. And that's from February 5, 2012. And I don't have how many likes on that because our team cut it off for our graphics. But the 2014 one, like, clothing optional halftime performance. Question mark. In February 2nd, 2014. And, you know, Charlie sent us, you know, sent the team images in our group chats, and one day he sent a stadium picture of a stadium and said, this is my vision years and years ago. And that's what he wanted for our big conventions or big conferences. And it's because he believed that he was a missionary to culture. He went into the parts of culture that didn't want him but that needed him the most. Steve. That's why he was in college campuses. That's why Turning Point is on college campuses. That's why we're on high school campuses, because that's where they need us. And, you know, when it be. When it became really apparent to us that the professional sports league, we'll just leave it vague, didn't want to honor the forgotten men and women, the people that built this country with the halftime performance. We knew that there was a need in the marketplace. We needed to meet it. We needed to step into it. And we knew that that's exactly what Charlie wanted for Turning Point to be and to be this juggernaut that could do this sort of thing. Yeah, it's still a David and Goliath story. I mean, we're going up against the biggest thing there is, but we have a lot of momentum behind us and a lot of people rallying behind the cause. And so here's my message to you and to your audience. Just flip the channel. Flip the channel. When the action's done, just flip the channel and check out the All American halftime show. Because, Steve, we win this in two Ways we put on a great show that people enjoy. That's high production value. That's excellent, which it is. I've seen the rehearsal video from this. It is phenomenal. Steve, in your face. You're in the action. High octane songs, you know, songs you can sing along with. And they're paying tribute to this country, to their faith, to just, you know, great all American music. And we win it that way. We also win it if people switch the channel for. For the other guy, for the guy that sings in Spanish and you come over and you sing along with us in English because listen, that's the language we speak in this country. So it's an exciting, exciting moment. But help us and help your family. But here's the best part, Steve. It's truly excellent. This is not jv. This is not bush league. This is not subpar. This is going to be amazing. Amazing. Made for TV concert experience.

[Steve Bannon]

Andrew, one more time. Where do people go? I know Rav where started seven. But the show is made to actually happen exactly during the halftime. We're trying to get ahead of it because I think it's gonna be 8 or 8:30. So RAV is 7. But I want to make sure everybody rev. We're very happy. One of the sponsors for you guys to do this. We love Charlie. You're on our. You're on our channel, our network. But it's everywhere. And this is important. It's everywhere. Where do people go, Andrew, to get to experience this?

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, yeah. To your point, Rob and Parker Sig were behind us from the jump. They wanted to know how they could help. So real America's Voice, if you are watching this, this show right now, you know how to find Steve. If you know how to find Steve, you know how to find the Charlie Kirk show. You know how to find the all American halftime show.

[Mike Lindell]

That.

[Andrew Colvett]

So that's first thing. Secondly, it's going to be all over social media. Just go on x, go on YouTube, go on rumble. It will be there. It will be promoted. It'll be up at the top. All right, so TPOSA YouTube TP USA X, TPOSA rumble. Now, for those that are technologically challenged, get somebody at your, your, your watch party that's younger than you, throw it up on the, on the screen. You can. Most TVs have like a YouTube app. You can have a rumble app and you can just flip it over, make a plan, make sure you know how to get straight over to it. Because as soon as the action stops on the field, you're going to want to be tuning over for us or watch Real America's Voice pre show as well so on. In addition to that, you're going to have Sinclair Broadcasting is going to be syndicated out on the Charge channel, Samsung plus YouTube TV, Hulu Sling, all those things just like Real America's voices, Daily Wire plus TBN, TBN. If you is online, I think like 70 million homes. So you can switch over to on the channel to traditional cable if you want to watch it on tbn. Real America's Voice NTD and oan those are the, those are the places. Those that was our coalition of the willing that stepped up early and I believe they're all going to be rewarded for it. And because the energy behind this thing is just tremendous. I mean President Trump is being asked about it. Caroline Levitt's being asked about it. All the shows are, are interviewing us about it because they want to hear more and more and more. So a lot, a lot of great storylines here and you're not going to want to miss it because I'm telling you, I have seen the rehearsal footage, folks. It's epic.

[Steve Bannon]

Andrew, you and the team over Turning Point have done Charlie proud on this. Really. He would be so excited about this. So I want to thank you and thank everybody over there. I know the team's put a tremendous amount of effort and all the artists putting in their time and effort to their managers, all of it. One more time, where do people go?

[Andrew Colvett]

TPUSA YouTube, TPUSA x TPUSA Rumble, Daily Wire plus TBN, which is on traditional cable in a lot of households. So if that's the easiest, do that Real America's Voice. Robin Parker, SIG Legends, absolute heroes here stepped up early NTD which is part of epic times ntd. And then oan all the good guys.

[Steve Bannon]

Talk about their heroes. They stepped up with a, they stepped up with a show the Charlie Kershaw with you as co host early at the very first days. Yes, they are heroes. They will take a risk. They will take a risk. Andrew Corvette, they did always great, always great having you following us. The great the Charlie Kirk show. Andrew Corvette, the co host. Brother. Go ready and get, get ready for a great show. We're going to make sure everybody goes there on Sunday.

[Andrew Colvett]

Thank you, sir. Thank you, Steve.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, brother.

[Andrew Colvett]

Switch.

[Steve Bannon]

So Rev is going to be, Rev is going to come up at 7pm Eastern Standard Time with kind of a pre game to the halftime show. So if you want to, if you get bored with the game, if, if you're a Patriots fan, they're not doing well. Or if you're a Seahawks fan, they're not doing well. You're just bored with it. Some of these Super Bowls are quite boring. I'm not a Super bowl fan. A football fan, but not a Super bowl fan. Never have been. Turnover early. The real America's voice right here. I want to go to Taj Gill. Taj, you have a very strong message for the American people that sharia law is not compatible. You've spent the better part of your formative years fighting for your country over there, right? Because you knew your country needed to be defended. And all the policy mistakes and all the policy debacles that put your generation at risk is. Is got to be set aside when you look at the valor and courage. But you decided in that time, coming back, I just don't want to be in the security business. I'm a man of peace. And what I want to do is start a great coffee company. You have. Where do people go to get the coffee that you and I agree is a lot better than the Navy brew that you get on the midwatch? So where do they go, sir?

[Taj Gill]

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[Steve Bannon]

Don't take it from Tasia and myself. Take it. Just go and read the 17,000 five star reviews. Folks just like yourself that came to a lot of people have never been coffee drinkers and excited. Just read them, you'll see. I also want to know, as on the selection committee for different brews, I adamantly oppose the decaf. And of course naturally it's one of our number one sellers now. So the marketplace people are saying no, we want Warpath coffee and want a decaf anyway. It's great taste. You guys are always coming up with fantastic products. Thank you sir for being on here. Appreciate it.

[Taj Gill]

Thank you, Steve. Appreciate it. Appreciate it.

[Steve Bannon]

Warpath Coffee. 17,000 five star reviews. Dr. Thayer, the Office of Remigration. Give me 60 seconds on that and then where can I go get all your writings? You're working on a magnum opus on a hundred year war against communism that we're going to come out with by Hooker Crook sometime this spring or early summer. Where do people go to get all your writings after you tell me about your new position as the Office of Remigration.

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

Well, Steve, the Office of Remigration's ordering principle is going to be that the era of mass immigration is over. Mass immigration, illegal or legal, is over and we're entering a new era which is the era of remigration. So illegal immigration is over forever and legal immigration is going to go from the aperture of a storm drain to the aperture of a straw. And what this office needs to do is focus on the following missions. It's going to have to develop strategies that can be shared with other states, with Australia, Canada, uk, European Union states. They might not be there yet, but we need to give them the strategies. Secondly, there's going to have to be the coordination and policy development for remigration strategies. Coordination.

[Steve Bannon]

We got to bounce. Would you, if the president asked you, would you take the office here if we set it up in the U.S. would you, would you step into it?

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

I'm happy to advise, but Rosemary is awesome and so is, you know, Todd Bensman. Lots of folks have been been neglected for too long.

[Steve Bannon]

Steve, give me your social media. Where do people go to get you?

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

Brad the X and Bradley there at Getter and Truth. You know, Rosemary or Todd working on.

[Steve Bannon]

A huge book on the 100 year war against communism.

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Americans were tragically killed and lost their lives this week yet again from an illegal alien, an individual who was paroled into the country by the Biden administration using the CBP1 app which they created like it was a magic pass for Disneyland. That's not how immigration in this country should work. And this illegal alien from Kyrgyzstan was traveling on an Indiana highway and he failed to brake for a slowed semi truck in front of him. He swerved into the lane and he crashed into a van carrying 15 passengers. And four people were killed in the that crash. This is another tragedy that could have been prevented if not for the wide open borders from the previous administration. That's why we now have a secure border. That's why this administration will continue to deport illegal aliens from our country.

[Steve Bannon]

I mean, are you proud of Caroline Levitt? Every day. Remember she ran in that first primary. I mean, she's become, I think, the best I've ever seen at running these press conferences. All those jackals in there. Of course, there's a lot of good people now too, but I mean, she's the best. So Shannon Everett from American Truckers United. Brother, here's What I don't understand. Help me out. I know the immigration thing is all screwed up, but we've had you on here for almost a year. I thought that. And you guys made a compelling case. You had the great. The audience thought this problem was solved. We understand there's guys all over the place. They've coming in from Biden, but I thought we had them off the road. Tell me what. How did this tragedy happen? And Shannon, what do we have to do? What does this audience have to do to have your back to stop this?

[Shannon Everett]

Absolutely. Thank you, Steve. You know, I owe a huge debt of gratitude to the War Room Posse and to you, Steve Bannon, because we did accomplish the mission of elevating this message and bringing the message to the attention of the national media and the American people. Because, you know, prior to coming on your show almost a year ago, the American people did not know that they were driving up and down the highways with a bunch of illegal alien truck drivers who weren't properly qualified, weren't properly trained, and hadn't been vetted. You know, we don't even know who these drivers are. And that's because, like in the case of the recent crash that we had just here in Indiana, these guys have snuck across the border, either using the app or some other means of getting into the country. They come into these sanctuary cities, they apply for asylum. And the loophole that has existed has been these asylum requests and these EAD cards. So, historically, the industry did not issue CDLs to illegal aliens who did not have lawful status in the United States. And there was guidance issued in 2019. And so even though we have awareness now to what the problem is, we do not have action on the problem. President Trump issued an executive order that called for the investigation of the non domicile cdl as soon as he heard that there might be a problem. Our Secretary Duffy, who's been doing a great job of bringing awareness and jumping on this issue, conducted that investigation and found that it was absolutely true that the system's broken and that too many of these licenses have been issued and that they've been issued illegally. And he did. The USDOT did issue an interim final ruling that stopped the further issuance of the non domiciled cdls, but it did not revoke the hundreds of thousands of non domiciled CDLs that have been issued improperly, illegally, and illicitly.

[Steve Bannon]

Shannon, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna come to you right after the show. We're gonna have you on tomorrow morning. I Got my head's blown up. Now. This is. And look at the. Look at not just taking jobs. First off, taking jobs. Number two, driving down wages. Number three, they're causing massive traffic accident. This is not acceptable. It has to be revocation. We have to revoke these and then get them out of the country. This is another HB like an H1B scam. So, Shannon, tell people where they can go right now for American Truckers United. I'm gonna have you back on tomorrow on the Saturday show. We can spend some time. Because this is outrageous. And look, the White House knows the problem. Caroline's very judicious about what she selects to talk about, right? And right there, she's saying another outrage. But we got to take this as ultimate conclusion. They all have to be revoked. Everybody see the hundred thousand and they gotta be sent out of the country. And we gotta hold accountable for the accidents and the tragedies they've put on American people. It's. This is. This is unacceptable. And we gotta take action. Shannon, between now and tomorrow, where do people go to get access to everything at American Truckers United?

[Shannon Everett]

Go to our social medias. Our tag on all social media accounts, including X is Tu Truckers. And then visit our website, www.americantruckers.com. and I just want to point out the executive administration is doing everything to help us. The roadblocks are in the federal agencies and in the legislative pushes.

[Steve Bannon]

I take it that there are trucking companies that people know that think are all American actors that are. Some of these trucking companies are pushing this so they can have cheaper labor as drivers. Am I correct in that assumption?

[Shannon Everett]

It's a battle between Wall street and Main Street. Your Main Street American companies hire American truck drivers. Huge Wall street corporations are brokering freight to illegal aliens. They're contracting it out. They're operating behind willful blindness, pretending that they don't know. Even though this is all over national media, everybody knows who's involved. Everybody knows who they're giving freight to, but they're not willing to put it down because they're profiting. So we need to discuss who the profiteers are. And we need to talk about this Supreme Court case where to give the people who are profiting off all this immunity from these crashes.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, Shannon, we're going to have you on tomorrow. Talk to you right after the show. Thank you, brother. Shannon Everett, American Truckers United. Unbelievable. I tell you, it's regulatory capture is what we call it. Mike Lindell, you're leading the one real poll out there. You're leading by one point over, I guess the speaker of the House or the leading Republican in the House In Minnesota, you're in a dogfight. You're going to be down with our own Glenn story down in Mar A Lago this weekend. What are you guys doing down there?

[Mike Lindell]

Doing? I'm doing big fundraisers, Steve, and everybody's gotten behind. Even though this is a Minnesota race, Minnesota is the tip of the spear for the country. So important everybody and everybody's getting behind it down there in Mar a Lago. I'm doing that. I'm doing four events to raise money for this huge advertising push, marketing push. I'm going to come to win the governorship of Minnesota. You guys can all be a part of that. Mike Lindellgov.com you guys, check it out. Help donate. We're going to be doing this push over the next month and a half and I'm going to tell you all about it soon. It's Mike Lindellgov.com in the meantime, you guys, I wanted to get on here. I'm just ready to board a plane. I'll tell you about where two sales collide. This is our second annual meeting Omega sale. And you guys, we have the Giza dream sheets low as 29.98. We're keeping the mattress toppers and mattresses on sale for another day. Here. Free shipping on your entire order. This is a go to war room.com mypillow.com forward slash war room. There you see these two sales colliding for today. You get the mattresses lowest price in history. We have technology for you so you get the best sleep of your life. Promo code war room. It's 800-873-1062. My operators are standing by and they love talking to you guys, the war room posse. They love this time of year when you get both sales for free shipping with promo code war room. Right to your front door, brother.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you. We'll talk to you this afternoon and tomorrow you head to Mar A Lago. Glenn story is going to be there. The great Glenn story. A lot going on down there this weekend. Charlie Kirk show next also after that. We're back at 5:00pm Eastern Standard Time.

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