Episode 5131: The Left's Plan To Change America; New Nixon Files Released

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room

Episode 5131: The Left's Plan To Change America; New Nixon Files Released
Date: February 10, 2026
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Key Guests: Mike Davis, James Rosen, community and political advocates

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Overview

This episode of Bannon’s War Room dives into two major themes:

1. Fears and allegations regarding the integrity of the American electoral system—specifically addressing claims of election “rigging,” federal intervention, and efforts to reform election law.
2. Historical perspective on government 'deep state' activity—the release of new Nixon files, including James Rosen’s reporting on the Moore-Radford Affair, drawing parallels to today’s political conflicts.

The show features fiery discourse around voter fraud allegations, immigration and voting rights, community activism, and a deep historical dive into Watergate era “deep state” machinations, with extended commentary from Newsmax’s James Rosen on his new biography of Justice Antonin Scalia and his investigative reporting on Nixon.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Allegations of Rigged Elections and Federal Overreach

Republican Perspective:

• Bannon and Guests' Claims:

  • The American electoral system is described as “rigged, stolen, and a laughingstock.”
  • Historical and ongoing attempts by Democrats to encourage or enable illegal voting, particularly by non-citizens and immigrants, are emphasized as an existential threat.
  • Trump’s presidency and political movement are cast as the only defense against irreversible election fraud and loss of national sovereignty.

• The SAVE Act:

  • Advocated by guest Mike Davis as a crucial reform to “stop illegal immigrants from stealing our elections.”
  • Proposed changes: stricter voter ID requirements, aggressive purging of voter rolls, and increased federal oversight near polling places, especially in swing states.

Diverse Community Voices:

• Community Activists’ Responses:

  • Worry over federal law enforcement being used to intimidate voters, particularly minorities and immigrants (Georgia Voter/Activist, [02:08]; Latino Rights Advocate, [04:37]).
  • Experiences of racial profiling and persecution, with a call to elected leaders to show as much courage as artists like Bad Bunny in defending American diversity.

• Quote (Latino Rights Activist, [04:37]):

  "There is diversity right—I do not know Puerto Rican culture, I come from Mexican American culture... But that relation—he is uniting us by persecuting all of us equally and with the same paramilitary force, and I want to know which elected leader is going to be as brave as Bad Bunny has consistently."

Electoral System Dispute

• Luke (Analyst):
  • Fact checks fraud allegations, stating voter fraud in America is “less than one hundred cases in the last two decades” ([06:14]).
  • Criticizes current Republican maneuvers as “largely a political statement” intended to cast doubt should Democrats win.

Notable Exchange:

• Mike Davis ([16:35]):

  "Eighty percent of Americans support passing the SAVE Act, including a supermajority of Democrats and even a supermajority of minorities. Democrats pretend that Black people don’t have the wherewithal to get a voter ID like everyone else, when we all know the reason that Democrat politicians are opposing this is because they want their illegal aliens ... on the voter rolls so they can rig and steal elections."

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2. Federal Courts, State Rights, and Law Enforcement

• Court Rulings & Sanctuary States:

  • Mike Davis highlights a recent ruling where a “Democrat judge in California just sided with the Trump administration” over federal vs. state authority regarding immigration enforcement ([11:15]).
  • Asserted legal clarity: Immigration and elections are ultimately under federal authority and supremacy clause; states can't “micromanage” federal officers.

• Political Standoff:

  • Davis and Bannon lambaste Democrats for what they say is hypocrisy regarding federal power in election law, accusing them of “rigging and stealing elections with illegal votes and phantom votes” ([20:27]).

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3. America’s Changing Demographics and Cultural Shifts

• Latino Community Commentary (Latino Community Advocate, [03:04]):
  • “America is going to be Black and brown majority ... no, no, no, we’re there now ... A lot of Donald Trump white people got upset ... you fixated on words to try to understand. But if you heard the words in English you still wouldn’t have understood them, and that’s the point.”
• Super Bowl Cultural Moment:
  • Reference to Bad Bunny’s performance as a signifier of America’s current cultural makeup, sparking discomfort in segments of the Trump-aligned audience.

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4. Legislative and Political Maneuvering

• Senate and House Negotiations:

  • Bannon and Davis monitor Capitol Hill negotiations for new election law proposals ([12:35]).
  • Senator Eric Schmitt and other pro-Trump lawmakers seen as key fighters; Schmitt’s leadership is praised (“a bold and fearless warrior for the Constitution” - Mike Davis, [26:55]).

• Call to Political Action:

  • Listeners are encouraged repeatedly to contact their representatives to support the SAVE Act ([27:32]).
  • Bannon’s closing: “Let’s do it ... you know what you got to do.”

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5. Deep State, Nixon, and Parallels to Trump

James Rosen on Nixon Files & The Moore-Radford Affair

• Segment Start [45:09]:

  • Rosen explains the scale of Pentagon-era leaks, with Navy Yeoman Charles Radford passing thousands of classified documents to the Joint Chiefs, a crisis concealed to avoid wider exposure of covert US operations.
  • Nixon wanted to prosecute the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs for espionage ([46:24]).
  • Parallels drawn to modern “deep state” accusations and lawfare against Trump.

• Quote (James Rosen, [46:24]):

  “We’ve talked about lawfare a lot with Nixon as the ... as bloody Kansas was to the Civil War, so the lawfare against Nixon was exactly what they’ve done to Trump.”

• Rosen’s Reporting:

  • Only researcher to review newly-declassified Nixon Oval Office tapes documenting the discovery of high-level military spying on the White House.

Historical Reflection

• Bannon frames the Nixon-era revelation as a template for understanding current “deep state” conflicts with Trump, suggesting ongoing attempts by entrenched government or military bureaucracy to sabotage anti-establishment presidents.

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6. Scalia: Supreme Court Years

Book Release and Legacy Discussion with James Rosen

• Segment [29:48] onward:

  • Rosen discusses his biography, Scalia: Supreme Court Years 1986–2001, positioning Scalia as transformative in American legal culture.
  • Scalia’s textualist/originalist revolution detailed, contrasting with the “living constitution” theory.
  • Offers colorful anecdotes (Scalia making him eat rabbit at lunch, being a “bull in the china shop” at the Court, dominating oral arguments).

• Quote (James Rosen, [34:46]):

  “When you’re one of the nine justices sitting on the Supreme Court ... your rulings are going to touch every aspect of American life. Scalia’s legacy as a justice is profound.”

• Pitch to Readers:

  • Rosen asserts his biography is written for laypeople, illuminating one of America’s “greatest literary stylists” and patriots ([42:05]).

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Memorable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “America's elections are rigged, stolen and a laughingstock all over the world… for fact’s sake Donald Trump won two of those so-called rigged stolen elections.”
  — Stephen K. Bannon [00:00]

• “The time for states and localities to act is probably before Republicans ... and to be prepared in advance to get injunctions and things like that to keep ICE away.”
  — Susan [00:25]

• “If we do not restore checks and balances in these midterm elections, we will not recognize our republic at the end of this presidential term. We may lose our republic.”
  — Georgia Voter/Activist [02:08]

• “If they heard the words in English, they still wouldn’t have understood them, because they listened to one man who ... has clouded their judgment and their reason with his own twitchiness.”
  — Latino Community Advocate [03:04]

• “I want to know which elected leader is going to be as brave as Bad Bunny has consistently.”
  — Latino Rights Activist [04:37]

• “It will pass the House, right—they’ll get the Republican votes ... but they will not get the votes in the Senate ... this is largely a political statement.”
  — Luke [06:14]

• “Democrats rig and steal elections with illegal votes and phantom votes. That's how they won the 2020 election.”
  — Mike Davis [20:27]

• “This will be orders of magnitude worse than Watergate—you'll actually show how they stole a presidential election and ... brought fifteen to twenty million illegal alien invaders into the country.”
  — Stephen K. Bannon [23:32]

• “By the time he [Scalia] died—even Elena Kagan ... had proclaimed, in essence, ‘Thanks to the Scalia revolution, we are all originalists now.’”
  — James Rosen [37:51]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:00] – Bannon's opening on “rigged” elections, setup of the episode’s focus on electoral integrity
• [02:08] – Georgia Activist on Federal intimidation at polls
• [03:04 & 04:37] – Latino advocates discuss cultural change and political targeting
• [06:14] – Luke fact-checks voter fraud claims
• [11:15] – Mike Davis on court rulings, federal vs state immigration authority
• [16:35] – Davis pitches the SAVE Act to audience
• [20:27] – Discussion of COVID, voting, alleged fraud, and lawfare
• [23:32] – Bannon and Davis: Watergate vs present-day allegations
• [29:48] – James Rosen on his new Scalia biography
• [34:46 & 37:51] – Rosen on Scalia’s legal philosophy and influence
• [45:09 & 46:24] – Rosen explains the Moore-Radford Affair and connections to current deep state discourse
• [51:58] – Segment continues: Bannon frames deep state actions then and now

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Conclusion

This episode is a dense, impassioned political analysis—melding current claims of election integrity fraud, fear of demographic change, and urgent calls to legislative action, with a historical masterclass on secret government maneuvering during the Nixon era. The discussion is colored by Bannon and his guests' combative, direct style, frequent calls to action, and use of historic analogy to cast present-day events in a dramatic, world-altering light. The episode closes with Rosen’s assertion of the continued importance of historical perspective—and contemporary conservative activism—in shaping America’s future.

Transcript

[Stephen K Bannon]

America'S elections are rigged stolen and a laughingstock all over the world we are either going to fix them or we won't have a country any longer for fact's sake donald trump won two of those so called rigged stolen elections susan you wrote that this is no longer a question if donald trump will undermine americans confidence in the midterms but how what do you see us doing to protect that.

[Susan]

Yeah i mean look this is a situation where you know you've seen republicans basically abandon their longstanding views about states rights and federalism and you know now all of a sudden mike johnson is the one who decides that it's the job of the federal speaker of the house to be commenting on questionable election practices in states that he doesn't like or that elect democrats you know the decentralization i think is the thing that you know experts are looking to you know it's one of the reasons of course that donald trump's claims of a rigged election in twenty twenty are so absurd and farcical it is simply inconsist inconceivable that in six swing states in twenty twenty all over this country the massive number of people who had been involved in the conspiracy of those alleged by donald trump and the sort of fever dreams he's encouraged among his supporters it's basically inconceivable in the context of our very decentralized state run election system and again it should be pointed out that the constitution is very clear that it's up to the states to regulate the time place and manner of elections that is not a for the president of the united states who just last monday said he wanted to nationalize quote unquote elections in fifteen states but i think there are enormous fears among state election officials about the kind of actions that can be taken in key states looking ahead to this fall one thing i spoke with an election law expert who pointed out that you know the time for states and localities to act is probably before republicans you know come in there and to be prepared in advance to get injunctions and things like that to keep ice away.

[Georgia Voter/Activist]

From the polling places this apparent abuse of federal law enforcement power to indulge the president's obsession with overturning the twenty twenty election and to lay the groundwork for whatever mischief they're planning in a few months i think is obviously deeply disturbing deeply chilling deeply menacing and also a huge political mistake for this administration because in georgia where now for the second time in six years georgia voters have the weight of the republic's future on our shoulders we are just that much more determined to do our part to right the ship this election is pivotal if we do not restore checks and balances in these midterm elections we will not recognize our republic at the end of this presidential term we may lose our republic yeah and he had.

[Latino Community Advocate]

A lot of us moving and he moved a lot of us and for me you know as someone who's a little bit more seasoned i had a chance to reflect i think in some interesting ways and you touched on it about how the expressions of protests and how our expressions of being put upon as a minority or as individuals or as a community by a majority how we would respond to that what i took away from last night was bad bunny said this is america now y' all this is who we are now this isn't the future of america people talk about oh america is going to be black and brown majority in twenty four no no no we're there now we're in the moment now and so to be very direct about last night a lot of donald trump white people got upset a lot of them complained a lot of them were a little bit how should we say twitchy about what they saw complaining about the fact that i didn't understand a word he said really really you weren't moved by the moment you weren't moved by the visuals you weren't moved by the sound you fixated on words to try to understand but if you heard the words in english you still wouldn't have understood them and that's the point if they heard the words in english they still wouldn't have understood them because they listened to one man who clouded has clouded their judgment and their reason with his own twitchiness right i mean donald trump.

[Latino Rights Activist]

Since he launched his political career has run a decade long anti latino campaign he immediately started by going against mexicans it is extended to every latino group we have had a long year long persecution of venezuelans it does not matter his federal agents are being enabled to stop any of us and so i have to say though there were so many people who thought the little boy was liam conejo ramos and he wasn't and it wasn't and that little boy who was detained in minnesota and arrested and he was a flashpoint and so many people saw that instead of seeing the like if that doesn't tell you about the racial profiling that's happening in the streets right now with every latino out there these federal agents we have a supreme court justice who gave a roadmap for this administration on how to stop specifically the latino community right so we are being hunted and i just have to keep saying that because it shouldn't fall on bad bunny or super bowl artists to defend our american ness because latinos are part of our past we're the present and trump doesn't want us to be part of the future and i think a lot of people are feeling that and those of us and there is diversity right i do not know puerto rican culture i come from mexican american culture but that relation he is uniting us by persecuting all of us equally and with the same paramilitary force and i want to know which elected leader is going to be as brave as bad bunny has consistently.

[Stephen K Bannon]

Been with his art he wants republicans to pass the save act which will change voting to be adjusted that it will exist in the ways that he wants but luke isn't this basically dead on arrival because the filibuster in the.

[Luke]

Senate yeah i mean it will pass the house right they'll get the republican votes in the house for it but they will not get the votes in the senate for it so this is largely a political statement that's being made to try to you know falsely claim that american elections are rigged and untrustworthy so that if democrats win the midterms that they can blame it on widespread fraud i think as a fact check we should just remind people how rare voter fraud is in america it is illegal people get prosecuted for it it does happen occasionally but it's like less than one hundred cases in the last two decades i mean conservative groups have been hunting for cases of voter fraud to show that it exists and you do get the occasional case now and then but it's so rare and so limited that it would not impact the national election it wouldn't impact even a statewide election and so they're hoping for these for this fantastical claims of fraud that really don't exist but we can anticipate to hear about them a lot as long as donald trump is president.

[Latino Community Advocate]

I'M not going to sit here and wait for the future because that's what that's a game that others want you to play what you saw last night was the future coming to the moment now and america realized for the first time in that context they watched the panoply play out on that field right and they saw the bodegas they saw the wedding they saw you know the guy the nail polish of the nail salon all of that which simone particularly i'm sure enjoyed so that to me was a very american the american aspect.

[Stephen K Bannon]

Of that trump has never been less powerful the agenda he's pursuing has never been more evident and more unpopular what this means if you're a wuss what this means if you were wrong in twenty twenty five in the first year of donald trump being back in office well it means that twenty twenty six is good news for you twenty twenty six is the easiest chance you'll ever have to rectify what you did wrong to get on the right side of this thing now or never.

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[Stephen K Bannon]

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[James Rosen]

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[Stephen K Bannon]

A conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k ban tuesday the tenth of february year of our lord twenty twenty six we're absolutely packed today so let's get into it i want to thank the team very brilliant cold open they're very focused on what is essential now particularly on capitol hill that's going to have a huge impact rolling all the way through to november of of this year twenty twenty six that's what we've got to get on it mike davis joins me first off mike i want to talk about the hill and if my crack team can put up that hill the lead story in the hill today is about the reality of what's going on in the senate chip roy and the team are about to bring i think to the rules committee a new restructured bill to be voted on the house also eric schmidt who we had on the other day and i think we're trying to get senator schmidt on either this afternoon or tomorrow but tommy tuberville is going to join us this afternoon the real fighters in the senate are actually bringing up a different piece of legislation that's going on offense and now there's this back and forth between i guess the white house and these radical senate democrats we've put forward a proposal but nothing we haven't heard what's in the proposal as a counter you know the position i think a maga at least a maga base is that the ideas they had were so radical that there's nothing.

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[Stephen K Bannon]

You hear is the munich security conference all the senators of both parties that are kind of the war party twenty or thirty of them got to get to munich so their paymasters can know that they're in attendance there mike davis first off didn't a federal judge back up this whole situation with mask and what the sanctuary states like newsom are trying to do aren't the courts actually coming about the law enforcement capabilities of the federal government and at least at some level having the president's back yes.

[Mike Davis]

A democrat judge in california just sided with the trump administration when california governor gavin newsom tried to tell ice agents federal officers what they can and can't wear that's not the state's job there's the supremacy clause and congress has power over immigration congress wrote these immigration laws decades ago on behalf of we the people exercising we the people's most crucial sovereign power to control our border and populace to decide who comes and decide who goes and the president has the constitutional power and duty to execute congress's laws on behalf of we the people and that's what president trump is doing and when you're exercising federal law states don't get to come in and micromanage or even interfere in any way with federal law so this democrat judge followed clear law from decades ago that federal law is the supreme law of the lands immigration is a federal immigration is decided by federal law and gavin newsom.

[Stephen K Bannon]

Can go to hell okay so on the hill right now and we're monitoring both of these we'll jump in if they you got the dhs and i think the ice senior people i'm not so sure it's homan are at a i think a dhs committee to review their activity also jason smith at ways and means and smith is a very smart guy when it comes to taxes he's got a hearing on really getting into this dark money that's in back of the color revolution who's actually financing this so we're gonna we're gonna jump in and out of those but mike those laws were written decades ago in a bipartisan nature why would the democrats be taking a harder edge about law enforcement particularly when you've got a situation we've got fifteen to twenty million even the hill today that it was fifteen to twenty million illegal aliens in the country on biden's watch sir yeah i.

[Mike Davis]

Mean i would say to these democrats who want to beat up immigration agents they should these democrats should look in the mirror it's their laws these agents are the good men and women of federal law enforcement who are simply doing their jobs by executing our federal immigration laws if the democrats don't like it try to change the laws but we just had an election over this and president trump won a broad electoral mandate three hundred twelve electoral votes all seven swing states cap the house won a comfortable margin in the senate and the american people want president trump to seal our border which president trump has done and to expel these illegal aliens and starting with the most vicious terrorist among them and president trump is doing what he promised american voters he would do if democrats don't like that too bad.

[Stephen K Bannon]

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[Stephen K Bannon]

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[James Rosen]

Welcome.

[Stephen K Bannon]

Back mike davis having a little problem with the sound guys you got to cut it up mike davis can you give us article three where people can.

[Mike Davis]

Go article three project dot org comma article number three project dot org follow us on social donate but only what you can afford but the biggest issue is the top right there tell congress to stop illegal immigrants from stealing our elections that's the save act this is an issue where it's an eighty twenty issue meaning eighty percent of americans support passing the save act including a super majority of democrats and even a super majority of minorities democrats pretends that black people don't have the wherewithal to get a voter id like everyone else when we all know the reason that democrat politicians are opposing this is because because they want their illegal aliens who biden and these democrats mass imported for the last four years of biden over twenty million of them democrats are trying to get them on the voter rolls so they can rig and steal elections they're trying to replace american voters and we need to stop that they say this fraud doesn't happen well if it doesn't happen then they shouldn't have any problem passing the save act and they say i heard this woman in your cold open saying that the elections clause gives the powers power to the states to control elections she's not reading the elections clause correctly because congress can override the states as to the time place and manner of federal elections this must pass senate republicans should not have any excuse for not passing this it's an eighty twenty issue again and if democrats are going to drag their heels they need to nuke the legislative filibuster and get.

[Stephen K Bannon]

This done so today and i think there's going to be i think it's going to come out of rules but they're going to try to add and have a combination in the house of voter id purging the voter rolls of and this is key the voter rolls are key purge the voter rolls of because this is how they work the mail in ballot scam purge the voter rolls of illegitimate people and then put some a modicum of like signature verification into the mail in ballots if you do this and i think this is going to become quite evident as the evidence comes out in georgia and the evidence is coming out in georgia mike this will go a long way to stopping the democrats from using these twenty million to steal future elections yeah i.

[Mike Davis]

Mean how are dead people supposed to vote if you do this i mean democrats can't win elections if dead people can't vote or mystery voters can't vote and here's the tell the democrats are concerned that immigration officials are around election places that's that's the biggest tell of them all it's illegal for illegals to vote so american citizens shouldn't be scared of immigration officials only illegals would be scared of immigration officials and so if illegals are going to vote they're already.

[Stephen K Bannon]

There illegally so what is i mean they're in a complete meltdown about president trump saying he's going to nationalize these and by that he means not make a couple of issues which i think it will be a couple of issues will be an up or down vote by the country on congress but he's.

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Saying that hey we may have to.

[Stephen K Bannon]

Have federal agents around these because we don't want you know you got fifteen or twenty million we're hung up right now on mass deportations we may have to do it why the left literally every day they're hammering they're saying trump's an authoritarian i'm an authoritarian you're worse you're the lawyer for the authoritarians why have they melted down over just some the basic stuff in the law but also having federal officers there to make sure that you have a fair and.

[Mike Davis]

Safe elections because democrats rig and steal elections with illegal votes and phantom votes that's how they won the twenty twenty election they use covid as an excuse to illegally change election laws only state legislatures or congress can change federal election laws democrats use covid to change election laws they mass mailed ballots out to old voter lists including college students who have moved ten times since the last election and then they got rid of election observers because of COVID they said that they're going to kill people if you have election observers they even got rid of signature verification because as we've said on your show many times democrats actually pretend that covid changed your signature and then we had magical vote spikes in the middle of the night in key democrat hellhole counties across georgia and voila trump lost the election in the middle of the night he was obviously rigged and stolen they're about to get caught doing that and they are blowing their gaskets that we actually want to secure our election so this doesn't happen again because it makes it hard for democrats to have their illegals and their fans and voters illegally vote for them in these elections do you feel confident.

[Stephen K Bannon]

Do you feel confident right now that you got cash on the criminal side you have tulsi gabbard and i think it will become pretty evident with news that comes out over the next couple of weeks why tulsi gabbard's involved from a national security and intelligence perspective but do you feel confident that main justice and the justice department since fani willis your favorite you know we're going to put what fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen people in prison because of those ballots because of the stealing in georgia to cover their tracks and they were going to send president trump away to die in prison about what happened in georgia are you pretty confident you're hardwired over justice are you confident that we're going to get not just the bottom of it but we're going to start holding people accountable that stole the election.

[Mike Davis]

I have to be careful what i say on this but i would say that nobody is above the law and if you get caught rigging and stealing federal elections that is a very serious crime and you can't get more of a serious crime for that in a democracy these democrats talk about democracy or whatever we're a republic but regardless that you can't get a bigger crime than that than rigging and stealing elections and that's exactly what the democrats did in the twenty twenty election in georgia in other states but it sounds like they have pretty compelling evidence down in georgia and they i don't know what democrats would be so concerned about if they've done nothing wrong they should show their hand.

[Stephen K Bannon]

This will change do you believe we're going to have james rosen on talking about his second book on the magistero biography of associate justice scalia but he also wrote a piece about the deep state in nixon the law firm against nixon do you believe that this when we present the facts that this will be orders of magnitude worse than watergate you'll actually show how they stole a presidential election and because of that brought fifteen to twenty million illegal alien invaders into the country sir yeah i mean this.

[Mike Davis]

Is we've talked about this since the mar a lago raid they have was long before that but i've been on your show since the mar a lago raid they they the democrats have politicized and weaponized intel agencies and law enforcement for over eight years against president trump they tried to prevent him from becoming president with the russian collusion hoax and crossfire hurricane they tried to sabotage his presidency during the first four years when he when he won against all odds they impeached him twice when he they rigged and stole the twenty twenty election and chased him out of office and then when he was going to run for office again they ran the unprecedented republic ending lawfare against him four indictments for non crimes tried to bankrupt him for non fraud tried to throw him off the ballot unconstitutionally in colorado and maine elsewhere biden tried to take off trump's head he underfunded trump's secret service protection said he was the gravest threat to democracy tried to get him killed twice once in butler pennsylvania and once on his golf course and by the grace of god trump is back in office a millimeter and a millisecond the hand of god and trump is back in office he's expelling these illegal aliens restoring our sovereignty as we the people these democrats are trying to stop him they're trying to sabotage him every step of the way with their lawyers with their judges with their plaintiffs he is fighting every day for america he knows that if he does not succeed america is not going to succeed i mean i truly believe in twenty twenty four everything was on the line if trump would have lost that election it was game over america and we are certainly not out of the woods trump has to succeed over the next three years if we have a fighting chance to save our country we are going to become europe we look at the mass invasion of europe with islamists all over europe who are conquering europe they've conquered the united kingdom we have an islamist in new york city who is preaching mass invasion from the quran i mean they are here and if trump does not succeed in getting these illegal aliens particularly these islamists the hell out of america we we are cooked we are.

[Stephen K Bannon]

Conquered mike a minute what should people look for in this senate i know you gotta bounce this senate fight schmidt goes to mar a lago lindsey graham goes to mar a lago they watch the super bowl with the president they come back and they are fighting mad the president i think gave him the word i want to fight this thing in the senate what should we look for sir in this fight look i.

[Mike Davis]

Think eric schmidt is a bold and fearless warrior for the constitution and so i am very happy he's going to serve as the tip of the spear on this he's been a very effective member of the senate already and he's very good on this lawfare he's on the judiciary committee so hats off to senator eric schmitz we should all get behind his efforts and we need to rally the war room posse to support him every step of the way where.

[Stephen K Bannon]

Where article three one more time give me the pitch where they go that's.

[Mike Davis]

Article three project dot org article number three project dot org the most critical action item on the screen right now is click on the top right which is the save act tell congress to stop illegal immigrants from stealing our elections light up both of your home state senators call them post on social media email them hit up your us house rep we need to build momentum to get the save act passed so we can save our republic from this third.

[Stephen K Bannon]

World invasion thank you brother appreciate you you know what you got to do let's do it short commercial break james rosen chief washington correspondent for newsmax his new book the second installment of the biography escalia the world is getting more.

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[Stephen K Bannon]

Off do it today here's your host stephen k bann welcome back james rosen the chief washington correspondent for newsmax joins us today is publishing day for the second volume of his magisterial biography of justice scalia the first book was the rise to greatness this is the supreme court years it's the first part of scalia's time on the bench i think from nineteen eighty six or eighty seven all the way to two thousand one the contested two thousand election james first off it is i want you to tell us about the book but more importantly what inspired you you're you're one of the top news people in dc you have been for decades and decades you're you're now the chief washington correspondent for newsmax which you oversee an incredible branch you guys are breaking news all the time doing stories you just wrote a huge piece in the new york times we'll get to in a moment how do you find time what is the inspiration that felt you had to do this and take as much time and energy not just to do the research in the interviews but write this book it's just a beautifully written book.

[James Rosen]

Thank you on all accounts steve and it's great to be back with you you ask about the time i steal it from my family and this originally began this book as a concise biography of antonin scalia and as misses rosen can tell you i don't do anything concisely and i wrote about one hundred seventy thousand words and i had just gotten the man to sit down in his chair at the supreme court so that was volume one published three years ago scalia rise to great nineteen thirty six to nineteen eighty six the new book released today and you're very kind to have me on to promote it is scalia supreme court years nineteen eighty six to two thousand one and this covers the first half of justice scalia's nearly thirty terms on the supreme court it starts with his first day on the court and takes us all the way through the national trauma of bush v gore and what inspired me was watching scalia on television when i was in middle school and high school he would participate in these pbs debate programs and and they were sort of theater in the round type settings and they would have these eminent minds convened to discuss hypothetical scenarios like ticking bomb scenarios and so forth and the people convened would be antonin scalia dan rather gerald ford you know alexander haig and scalia struck me as being fundamentally different from everyone else on that stage he was first of all like me an outer borough new yorker where he was born in new jersey but he was raised in queens i'm from staten island he has that sort of sarcastic in your face kind of humor and he had humor to begin with which a lot of people in official life don't really display when i came to fox news in nineteen ninety nine to washington i wrote to scalia and said hey i'd love to do an interview in essence and he wrote back and basically said i have a policy which makes it that i don't make a spectacle of myself as a judge but i'd be happy to get together for lunch and i said i appreciate your policy but what kind of what what other other than a spectacle should we call it when you're appearing on a theater in the round setting with cameras for pbs convened amongst other eminent minds discussing hypothetical scenarios and scalia wrote back and he said you know you are right right there that's in a major concession a lot of his clerks never heard those words maybe some of his children never heard those words you are right i probably should not have done those pbs shows we had lunch twice and we continued writing to each other we had a really amusing correspondence the lunches were off the record but i can talk a little bit about the the atmospherics and that and the and the correspondence between us and that's all in the book there's a chapter in the book called the rabbit and this is about what it was like when i was thirty years old and not a lawyer still not a lawyer to have lunch with antonin scalia where we're knocking back red wine and he overruled my lunch order steve america's foremost opponent of judicial activism when i ordered the veal at his favorite restaurant now gone the av ristorante italiano he overruled my order and said to the waiter give him the rabbit and we both looked at him and said rabbit he goes yeah he's gonna you're gonna like the rabbit give him the rabbit i didn't want rabbit and i haven't had it since steve and all of this appears in this book scalia supreme court years nineteen eighty six to two thousand one out today.

[Stephen K Bannon]

So you're not a lawyer and i don't think you're beat when you first got there was covering the courts because you're not a lawyer but tell me why do you because in this volume i think you're making the case that he's not just simply one of the most important jurists to ever sit on the supreme court ever but he's one of the most important personages in modern political history and maybe all of american political history sir well i wouldn't even.

[James Rosen]

Confine him to political history because when you're one of the nine justices sitting on the supreme court of the united states your rulings your decisions are going to touch every aspect of american life scalia's legacy as a justice is profound and and stretches across all known sectors of american life one example is criminal defendants rights and he wrote a key opinion for example that rendered it that held it unconstitutional for accused sex offenders who've been charged with crimes against minors he held it was unconstitutional at trial for such an individual for a screen to be placed between the defendant and the young minor who was going through the trauma of testifying and scalia said hey as a textualist as an originalist the the sixth amendment right to confront your accuser and he busted out the dictionaries confront means confront it means eyeball to eyeball and while that might be painful for the alleged victim nonetheless that's what justice requires that's one example and that's that's not just political history the way scalia became so important the reason i'm writing these books the reason americans have to know about antonin scalia why he's one of the most important americans of the last hundred years is because of the judicial philosophy he brought to his job the central business of being a judge is that you interpret the laws you tell us what the laws mean and when scalia came along as a judge originally on the the court of appeals for the district of columbia circuit where he sat with ruth bader ginsburg that's where their famous friendship began where he sat with robert bork and kenneth starr and larry silberman and james l buckley just an incredible array of talent on that court when he came along as a judge and then a justice there prevailed in the american law a liberal notion called the living constitution this is the idea that judges today should be free to interpret the constitution and any law passed since then in the broadest possible way because they feel that this constitution the constitution we have should be its meaning should expand like a living breathing organism or an accordion to account for things that the founders never could have contemplated such as the internet or nuclear weapons scalia stood athwart all that he said the intent of the lawmakers is what they passed up or down in the congress and what a president of the united states signed the text of the law and we shouldn't be looking beyond the text to go back into the legislative history of floor speeches and committee reports to find out what lawmakers intended we know what they intended it's the text of the law that was a profound revolution in the law and it changed the way we write the laws in america the way we argue them in courts and the way they are the laws are ruled upon by judges and justices by the time he died when he started there were no originalists or textualists on the supreme court by the time he died even elena kagan the supreme court justice appointed by president obama had proclaimed in essence thanks to the scalia revolution we are all originalists now let's talk.

[Stephen K Bannon]

About that revolution when he first got there because you had the reason he even got the slot is they made rehnquist went from associate justice to become the chief justice and of course there was a lot of rancor in his confirmation hearing i think you said thirty three votes against which was a record at the time that would be a landslide today but times were different you also had i think scalia was ninety eight to nothing but when he first got on the court what was his reception in the book what's his reception as he starts putting this judicial philosophy because they always have these conferences right immediately after they immediately after the case comes in and then after they have the oral arguments how was he perceived and how was this philosophy particularly when he had pretty strong personalities and rehnquist is kind of a classic conservative how was it how was it how was it taken.

[James Rosen]

So when he was on the court of appeals the judges ruled on cases in groups of three and it was very intimate and collegial and he could just waltz down the hall and kibitz with ruth bader ginsburg or abner mikva or any of the the people who had been appointed by democrats it was all very collegial when he got to the supreme court he was made to understand by his robed colleagues that there would be no kibitzing in chambers that there would be no give and take no arguments about how they should rule in the conferences rehnquist as chief justice had as an associate justice had labored under and chafed under these long winded perorations by the chief justice warren berger and rehnquist was determined when he became chief we're going to run these conferences quick we're going to go around the table you're going to say how you're voting you give a couple of lines of explanation and that's it and scalia who was a who had been a professor loved debate he loved getting into it his sons told me that if he should stumble into a room where they're watching a football game even if he doesn't know the players or which teams are playing if he got a sense of which team his sons were rooting for he'd start animatedly rooting for the other team he just loved to mix it up like that but at the supreme court he he called it a locked vault that's the name of the chapter about his early days there and it took some getting used to and so like a mighty river redirected he instead turned his energies to oral arguments which is the only public setting of the supreme court's work where spectators are allowed in to watch the proceedings and he began dominating oral argument and producing riotous laughter in the supreme court studies have been done and they showed it far and away antonin scalia was not only the most frequent questioner on his time on the court but also the most frequently the one to produce laughter and you can listen to those those recordings of these oral arguments even in bush v gore and the laughter that scalia produces it's like comedy club laughter it's not polite laughter as you might see at a congressional hearing it's like explosive laughing and clapping that goes on for ten seconds and just like a pro he would know to wait and then start in with his additional questioning so he was seen as a kind of a bull in the china shop but the truth is he was pressing upon his colleagues people like sandra day o' connor thurgood marshall william brennan these are some hallowed names he was in essence pressing them hey tighten up your act okay you are not obeying the law you are not actually interpreting the law according to what the text says you're doing crazy things like saying like a nineteen seventy six law was actually preempted by an earlier law like crazy rulings and he stood afford all that and this book scalia supreme court years nineteen eighty six to two thousand one has all of the memos back and forth between scalia and the other justices their personal letters which sometimes got snippy at one point scalia declares to justice harry blackmun the author of roe v wade who did not like scalia i am hurt scalia wrote to him at one point i am hurt that you would accuse me of x y and z so there's a lot of human drama here as well as the law and as well as.

[Stephen K Bannon]

Shaping of american society i'm holding through the break to talk about this new york times piece we've got about ninety seconds here make your pitch why non lawyers and people that don't follow the supreme court so closely should buy this book and buy it today this book.

[James Rosen]

Is written for non lawyers reading it myself i'm telling you i crack up all the time at scalia and his antics and his brilliance and his wit if you want to know how we got to modern america and if you want to know about the life and thinking of one of our greatest patriots and really one of our greatest literary stylists you're going to read this book scalia supreme court years nineteen eighty six.

[Stephen K Bannon]

To two thousand one okay we've had a pretty good track record here of getting books on the new york times bestseller list we need this book on the new york times bestseller list number one to send a message that books about leading figures and dominant personalities in the conservative movement have a broad readership out there i would tell people also having seen this and done some background studies on it of james the first volume which is amazing that this is a book you want to buy and give to young people in your life this is a book that shows you scalia came from a very middle class environment you know just a hard working guy kept his nose down and rose not just at the top of his profession but become one of the most important people as james says one of the most important people in american history and the first the first volume is i call it magisterial the second volume's out it's in bookstores today knowing how they rig it you may have to go and actually ask for the title it may not be at the front of barnes and noble but scalia the white the supreme court years is out today you can get it on amazon more importantly for voting on the for the way the new york times calculates go to a bookstore and get it we're taking a short commercial break james rosen on the other side.

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[Stephen K Bannon]

Stephen k band okay the second volume escalia this one's the supreme court years which is basically the first part of justice scalia's term on the supreme court a must read also get a copy for a young person in your life we need role models and scalia is a role model whether you want to go into law or you have interest in the supreme court or not you'll learn a lot about american history and the direction of american history so james rosen you also had in the new york times a day or a sunday i don't know six seven eight thousand words maybe more a huge story which was i think one of the most important stories about richard nixon about lawfare and about president trump and where we currently stand as a country the title is kind of an obscure title why it's really the title should have been like the secret history of the deep state this is a profound and powerful piece i'm shocked the new york times publish it can you walk our audience through because we've talked about lawfare a lot with nixon as the as kind of the kansas kansas as bloody kansas was to the civil war so the lawfare against nixon was exactly what they've done to trump sir well thank you.

[James Rosen]

Steve one of my previous books my first book was called the strong john mitchell and the secrets of watergate published by doubleday in two thousand eight and it told the story of richard nixon's law partner and his campaign manager in nineteen sixty eight when he won and the attorney general of the united states john mitchell who then went to prison for his role in the watergate cover up the highest ranking us official ever to serve time so i've been at work on nixon and watergate for a very long time honestly i've been obsessed with it since i'm a child i'm ashamed to tell you i did play little league i had a normal childhood i want you to understand steve but i've had this obsession for a long time and one of the episodes of the first nixon term before watergate that is the most important in his presidency was something that very few people know about today it was called the moore radford affair and this was the discovery by the white house plumbers that was a secret group that was formed to plug news leaks after the release of the pentagon papers to the new york times the plumbers were the ones who broke into the watergate complex and planted the wiretaps in the democratic national committee headquarters the plumbers were the ones who broke into the psychiatrist's office for the physician who was treating daniel ellsberg the man that leaked the pentagon papers to the new york times but one of the other projects that the plumbers worked on was this moore radford affair and what happened was there was a very famous columnist at the time jack anderson who won a pulitzer prize for publishing contents of some white house and defense department memoranda and also the minutes taken at a national security council meeting that had occurred just ten days earlier okay that was one of the most astonishing leaks in the history of the united states government that henry kissinger running the national security council is having a private meeting with his aides about what to do about the india pakistan war the united states was publicly neutral but they were sort of tilting towards pakistan because pakistan was helping nixon arrange his trip to china and kissinger was basically telling his own staff i'm catching hell from the president every half hour because he thinks we're not doing enough to tilt towards pakistan so how are we fulfilling his orders and jack anderson published that like ten or eleven days later and won the pulitzer prize the plumbers went to work on the leak they swiftly zeroed in on a twenty eight year old navy yeoman still alive now eighty two named charles radford at the time in december nineteen seventy one when the anderson columns ran radford was twenty eight years old he was a trained navy stenographer courier body man et cetera and he had been assigned to kissinger and his deputy at the time alexander haig to work in those functions and he accompanied both men on trips around the world to foreign capitals to vietnam to pakistan et cetera and even to china when kissinger was setting up that trip for president nixon and under instructions from his supervisors at the pentagon yeoman radford as he later admitted stole about five thousand documents classified documents from the nsc diving into wastebaskets burn bags anything he saw he made a copy of it a xerox if he didn't couldn't copy it he memorized it and he delivered this back to a pair of admirals who in turn gave all these documents to the joint chiefs of staff america's top military uniformed commanders the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff at that time benefiting from this spy ring was admiral thomas moore who had been the chief of naval operations and then had become the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the plumbers found this yeoman they polygraphed him he broke down and cried because he was a devout mormon he admitted knowing jack anderson who was also a mormon their families were friendly through church he denied giving the documents to anderson which the fbi or the nsa which conducted the wire at the polygraph found to be deceptive but he admitted giving these documents to the joint chiefs of staff in the year two thousand steve october of two thousand the tape of president nixon being informed of this development for the first time was released by the national archives it was a rare nighttime session in the oval office december twenty first nineteen seventy one and not until the year two thousand was that tape declassified and when it was there was only one lonely researcher in america who showed up at the national archives to hear that tape and that was me and i listened to the tape of that meeting where it's nixon only the heavy hitters nixon haldeman the chief of staff erlichman who ran the plumbers and john mitchell the attorney general president's confidant and friend henry kissinger was excluded from the meeting because they saw him as a profligate leaker who was part of a problem in some way and it fell to earth to explain to the president we've just discovered through using a polygraph and investigative means that the joint chiefs of staff have been spying on you stealing documents from the national security council delivering it to the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff for thirteen months in wartime it was a unique crisis that no president had ever faced nixon on the tape says this is a federal offense of the highest order and he demands that admiral moore the chairman of the joint chief chiefs of staff be prosecuted for espionage john mitchell the attorney general says in essence we can't do that because all your secret operations around the world in cambodia and elsewhere would leak but we're going to go see tom moore we're going to tell him this ball game's over with and we're going to wiretap this yeoman and we're going to send him far out of town and they did all those things i published the contents of those tapes in the atlantic monthly in two thousand two and i expanded on it james james.

[Stephen K Bannon]

Can i hold you just through this break a short break i want to get this story i'm so sorry steve yes no no no no no no it's perfect it's perfect i want to get into more details just we're gonna take a short commercial break the second hour we'll start with james rosen this is the explosive explosive piece it talks to you the secret history of the deep state it also shows you how you know it's just not president trump that criticized him even back then the pentagon did not trust kissinger did not trust the national security council they wanted to know exactly what was going on a shocking revelation james rosen just said the only person to go over to the national archives the day it was available and listen to it we're going to take a short commercial break we back in a moment take your phone out bannon b a n n o n at nine eight nine eight nine eight you get access no obligation totally free to birch gold the investor and gold and precious metals in the age of trump you also get access to philip patrick and the team and with an appropriate investment you get the patriots edition of the end of the dollar empire make sure you check it out today short break.

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