Episode 5138: Rise Of The Digital God From Our Automated Overlords; Stopping H1B Fraud

Summary

Bannon’s War Room – Episode 5138: “Rise Of The Digital God From Our Automated Overlords; Stopping H1B Fraud”

Date: February 12, 2026
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Main Guests: AI and Labor Expert (unnamed), Rosemary Jenks, Kurt Mills, Tej Gill

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Episode Overview

This episode focuses on two major themes:

1. The accelerating impact of artificial intelligence (AI) on American jobs, culture, and politics, including concerns about “digital overlords,” the erosion of human agency, and the bipartisan political response.
2. The ongoing controversy over H1B visas and perceived fraud within the system, examining how immigration and AI together threaten American workers’ job security and economic standing. The second half of the episode pivots to geopolitical analysis, centering on U.S. Middle East policy, the Iran conundrum, and business-political dynamics involving Israel, Turkey, and Qatar.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The AI Revolution, “Digital Overlords,” and Political Apathy

• AI's Impact on Work & Society

  • Bannon opens with a warning that, as per the IMF, up to 40% of jobs worldwide could be swiftly impacted by AI, not just affecting the economy but “civilization itself.”
    • “If AI triggers a rapid reorganization of work… the consequences will not stop at the economy.” (Stephen K. Bannon, 00:00)
  • Commentators discuss how CEOs at major tech firms once hyped AI publicly, but have recently gone quiet after PR advice, fearing public backlash regarding mass job displacement.
  • The political class, Bannon and commentators argue, is “ignorant of AI.” Only Bernie Sanders on the left and Bannon on the right are actively aligned in demanding protections for workers.
    • “Not only they don’t have a plan, not only are they ignorant of AI, they actually think the current federal plan—just let it go, it’s going to work itself out—is fine.” (Unnamed Commentator, 01:34)

• Public Skepticism and Bi-Partisan Coalitions

  • The AI & Labor Expert highlights overwhelming skepticism towards tech giants:
    • “There is huge skepticism of these big tech companies. They don’t trust Sam Altman. They don’t trust any of these CEOs to tell them the truth.” (AI and Labor Expert, 04:59)
  • The creation of a “permission structure” for everyday Americans to voice their concerns about AI is credited to grassroots activism and platforms like War Room.
  • “Every time we're promised utopia, it ends up in the Gulag.” (AI and Labor Expert quoting Mark Beal, 05:00)
  • Broad, cross-partisan support exists for AI safeguards (estimated at 75–80%).

• Spiritual and Human Consequences

  • A recurring theme is the loss of human dignity and purpose caused by automation:
    • “I'm worried about the spiritual component of losing work. I'm worried about human dignity and purpose.” (AI and Labor Expert quoting a pastor, 08:09)
  • The “agentic revolution”—the use of digital agents to replace human workers—is described as particularly alarming, expanding job loss beyond white-collar to blue-collar sectors as robotics improve.

• Call to Action

  • Listenership is directed repeatedly to join Secure AI Now (secureainow.org) to get information and guidance on influencing local and national legislation.
    • “Be aware, get educated, and stay in touch with us because we have to act right now.” (AI and Labor Expert, 12:48)

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H1B Visas, Immigration, and the American Workforce

• The H1B–AI Synergy in Displacing Workers

  • Bannon frames cheap imported tech labor and AI as twin threats pushing Americans lower in job priority.
    • “So the fact that we have made cheap foreign labor available to employers means that American workers are second choice already. So you add AI on top of that, American workers become third choice.” (Rosemary Jenks, 18:56)
  • New research cited shows H1B workers are paid 16% less overall and up to 30% less for software developers, providing a large incentive for corporations to hire them over Americans.
    • “Employers can save almost a third of the wages by hiring an H1B instead of an American.” (Rosemary Jenks, 19:20)
  • Tech donors and the political class are accused of shielding the status quo, motivated by profit and campaign donations.

• Legislative and Executive Solutions

  • Jenks highlights ongoing advocacy for moving the Senate to a “talking filibuster” to pass election integrity and immigration reform.
  • She criticizes the haff-hearted effectiveness of measures like President Trump’s $100,000 H1B fee, arguing the unstoppable pipeline through OPT (Optional Practical Training) must be cut.
    • “We absolutely must get rid of the OPT program, the optional practical training, because that is the pipeline that goes directly… gives the employers a tax break to hire the foreign students instead of American graduates.” (Rosemary Jenks, 25:24)
  • She directs listeners to iapaction.com for congressional rankings and tools to pressure policymakers.

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Middle East Geopolitics: Iran, Israel, Turkey, and the “Business of Peace”

• Trump Administration Maneuvering

  • Bannon and guest Kurt Mills analyze the Trump administration’s approach to deterring war with Iran, seeking a “no nuclear weapon” deal rather than “zero enrichment.”
    • Mills notes this is “better than the Obama era JCPOA but avoids war” (31:06).
  • They note the political drama of Bibi Netanyahu’s White House visit, the expanded role for Qatar in financing a Gaza redevelopment, and Turkey’s involvement in regional security.

• Business Incentives and War

  • Mills emphasizes financial motives: Gulf leaders, the Trump family, and the broader administration view regional peace as necessary for profitable business and investment. War, therefore, threatens these interests.
    • “War will be bad for the kind of business, the sort of investment in building infrastructure in the region...” (Kurt Mills, 40:57)
  • Bannon asserts the Abraham Accords “actually worked” because they aligned with business, not just political, interests.

• Refugee Flows and Endless Wars

  • Tej Gill cautions, “If we get tangled up in Iran again, it's not going to be clean…there's going to be waves of refugees, and they're going to flood the West.” (Tej Gill, 49:15)

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• “Every time we're promised utopia, it ends up in the Gulag.”
  — AI and Labor Expert, quoting Mark Beal (05:00)

• “There is huge skepticism of these big tech companies. They don’t trust Sam Altman. They don’t trust any of these CEOs to tell them the truth.”
  — AI and Labor Expert (04:59)

• “It’s not just the job, it's not just the income... But I'm worried about the spiritual aspect of what can happen to human beings in this new environment.”
  — AI and Labor Expert, quoting a pastor (08:09)

• “Employers can save almost a third of the wages by hiring an H1B instead of an American.”
  — Rosemary Jenks (19:20)

• “I'm not so sure that actually ensures Israeli security…that’s his vision for his country since the 90s, and that is pretty at loggerheads with an expanding financialized Arab world where... Trump and his family can build hotels and Kushner can build hedge funds...”
  — Kurt Mills (41:00)

• “If we get tangled up in Iran again, it's not going to be clean...there's going to be waves of refugees, and they're going to flood the West.”
  — Tej Gill (49:15)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• AI and Labor Market Risks: 00:00–04:57
• Grassroots AI Reform and Calls to Action: 04:57–13:32
• H1B Visas and Immigration Fraud: 16:22–27:36
• Congressional and Executive Solutions for Immigration Reform: 21:13–29:00
• Trump, Iran, Israel, Turkey, and Qatar – Diplomatic Dynamics: 30:08–42:12
• Geopolitics, The “Business of Peace,” and Risk of Wider Wars: 40:48–49:00
• Refugee Flow Risks and “Endless Wars”: 48:27–50:35

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Call to Action & Resources

• AI Reform:
  • Learn and get involved at secureainow.org (12:48)
• Immigration & Congressional Accountability:
  • Find your member’s ranking and take action at iapaction.com (27:15)
• Middle East Analysis:
  • Kurt Mills writes at theamericanconservative.com (46:33)

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Tone & Style

The episode maintains Bannon’s characteristic alarmist, populist tone—critical of both political and corporate elites, advocating for grassroots mobilization, and highlighting existential threats to American workers and sovereignty. The guests echo this urgency, with frequent rhetorical flourishes framing the stakes as not merely economic, but cultural, spiritual, and even civilizational.

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For listeners: This episode delivers a wide-ranging, bracing discussion with actionable steps for those concerned about AI and immigration. It also provides a distinct, alternative take on U.S. foreign policy, particularly through the lens of business interests shaping peace or conflict in the Middle East.

Transcript

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Is already transforming work one delegated task at a time. If the transformation unfolds slowly enough and the economy adjusts quickly enough, the economist may be right, we will be fine, or even better. But if AI triggers a rapid reorganization of work, compressing years of change into months, affecting roughly 40% of jobs worldwide, as the International Monetary Fund projects, the consequences will not stop at the economy.

[Unnamed Commentator]

It's one of those issues that touches all aspects of a civilization, and the civilization that we have is letting us down. So it starts with the economists who really are restrained by the data they have. And the data they have right now says there's no evidence that AI is yet affecting the labor market. And some economists say, well, we should plan in case it does, right? Some don't. The CEOs who are in charge of, you know, the Fortune 100 CEOs who are in charge of a lot of America's workforce were really sounding off about a year ago about, like philosopher kings about AI and their theories of what.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It was going to do.

[Unnamed Commentator]

And then all of a sudden they stopped talking.

[Kurt Mills]

Why?

[Unnamed Commentator]

Because I think they realized from their PR teams, hey, you know, when you talk about what might happen to America's workforce, it doesn't sound great and you don't want to be associated with that, so maybe we should stop doing that. And so all at the same time that stopped, I did talk to a lot of people on background, a lot of CEOs who say, look, I love my workforce. Wall street is going to insist after years and years of investment in AI, that I show some results. And if the AI magic miracle isn't here, the results will be cutting costs, and those costs will be cut now. And then on the sort of last leg of this little triathlon, you have politics. And so historically, when big disruption comes to the most important thing, American jobs, the right and the left get together and figure out, well, for our own political self preservation, we better have a plan. And what I discover when I talk to America's political class is that not only they don't have a plan, not only they ignorant of AI, they actually think that the current federal plan of just let it go, it's going to work itself out, is fine, with two exceptions. On the left, Bernie Sanders, who's written a really ferocious report about what we should be demanding from companies and from government for the future of the American workforce. And on the right, the person who said to me multiple times I agree with Bernie Sanders was Steve Bannon. And so when you get those two political forces aligned, you're going to see change and disruption. And so what I came away with is this is the most important issue in American culture that no one is talking about.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is the scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Christians not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Unnamed AI and Labor Expert]

And where do people like that go.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

To share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and.

[Unnamed Advertiser/Promoter]

What is my purpose?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. It's Thursday the 12th of February in the year of our Lord 2026. Brendan Stenhouser is with the Steinhauser with us. And Rosemary Jenks Brennan. I've gotta hand you a compliment well deserved. You and a handful of others. In that cold open. He said, we went to a period where the philosopher kings of AI and that's the leaders, the four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, the four labs, the four advanced labs I think would get out and make these pronouncements of what AI was going to do and how great it was going to be. I mean, Elon's still doing it. Elon's telling us that the only way out of here of the highly leveraged BET is robots. We'll get to that in a second. But. Which I know sounds childish because it is childish, but you and others bringing this in front of the American people, like on War Room and other platforms like this, the PR departments. Listen what the guy said. The PR departments went to them and said, hey, you better tone this down cuz it's working against us. Talk about first the philosopher kings and how wrong they were in misleading the American people before you and a handful of others started just hammering them every day. And now their communications teams are saying, hey, we're checking the polling. It's not working. The American people don't trust you and they're starting to hate you, sir.

[Unnamed AI and Labor Expert]

Yeah, well, Steve, thank you so much, I appreciate that. And I appreciate the opportunity to come on your show and talk about this. And yeah, it's something we've been paying a lot of attention to the last few years and sounding the alarm and then watching as these big tech CEOs just go out there and promise the world. They promise utopia. And as one of my good friends, Mark Beal, who you've had on the show, has said, every time we're promised utopia, it ends up in the Gulag. So we're, we've been very concerned about this. We've been out there talking to regular people around the country. I just gave a speech the other night in Austin, Texas. I've been traveling around giving talks. My team has been doing that. And I can tell you what the gentleman said earlier on that show in MSNL is totally true. If you're speaking to conservatives, to liberals, to libertarians, they're all in. I, I get very little resistance when I talk about what we need to do. There is huge skepticism of these big tech companies. They don't trust Sam Altman. They don't trust any of these CEOs to tell them the truth. They, they see that what they're trying to build in, in Silicon Valley is a digital God. They want us all to worship the digital God. They want us all to pay homage to the digital overlords and in the, in these CEOs. And that's something that the American people reject.

[Unnamed Advertiser/Promoter]

I.

[Unnamed AI and Labor Expert]

We cannot keep up with the amount of people that are joining our cause every day who are signing up on our website saying, we want to help you, we want to support you. So it's a deluge. We want people to continue to support us and we'll give them ways to get involved in this fight. We'll give them ways to take action, to light up the calls, light up the phone lines on Capitol Hill and in states around the country, because that's what it's going to take to make this go the right way.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

No, but here's what happened. Here's what you and Mark Beale and others, our own Joe Allen, others, you've given a permission structure for people because before they said, well, I can't criticize this. These are the tech oligarchs. They've supposedly made America so great. They've done all the social media, they've done all this. They're so great. I see them everywhere, right? They all came and paid homage to President Trump after he won. And remember I said all those guys, except for Elon Musk, all became maga at 10 o' clock Eastern Standard Time on election night when Pennsylvania and Michigan were called. Next thing you know, they're down in Mar a Lago. So people needed a permission structure and that's what you guys have gone around and do. I just want you to say it again as you go around the country, because Joe Allen says the same thing. You go around the country and you give talks to conservative groups or to libertarians or even to liberal groups. It's virtually unanimity that people come up to you and say, I don't trust these guys. I'm highly skeptical. I think we're going down the wrong path. Tell me what I can do is that I just, I don't want to put words in your mouth. Is that what you're saying?

[Unnamed AI and Labor Expert]

That is exactly what I'm saying. And I'm sure there might be a few people in the crowd that come in skeptical or maybe they're more kind of pro AI than, than maybe some of the other folks in the crowd. But I'm almost never do I get outright, you know, hostile opposition or people that are really on the other side, the side of the big tech bros. It almost never happen. And again, we're speaking in cities, we're speaking in suburbs and rural areas. And I have friends and allies who are doing this work as well. Constantly traveling around doing a road show, talking to people, faith leaders, teachers, police officers, nurses, doctors and lawyers, you know, welders and plumbers and electricians. I mean, everywhere you go, people are concerned about this. They're worried about their jobs. But as I had one pastor tell me the other day, if a huge church, he said, you know, the, I'm worried about the spiritual component of losing work. I'm worried about human dignity and purpose. It's not just the job, it's not just the income, which we're worried about for our parishioners and for, for our people. But I'm worried about the spiritual aspect of what can happen to human beings in this, in this new environment that we're, we're stepping into. So there's a lot of concern for people that are out there wondering, yeah, you're not alone. In fact, 75, 80 of Americans support safeguards on AI. That's bipartisan, it's a cross party affiliation, it's across demographics. And I think the other sort of 25 of them are unsure. Maybe 1% are with the big tech pros, but most people support safeguards and they want to get this right.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Brendan we went through two phases. One we had Joe on for a couple of years and we were warning people of this, talking about transhumanism, all this. And then ChatGPT went to the World Economic Forum and showed that the large language models were far ahead where people were. And I said at the Time, the venture capital and the private equity and the hedge funds are going to pour into this. And so if you had any chance of keeping this in the barn, you just lost it. Because now capital is going to pour. And that's what's happened. Here's what's concerned me recently, even before this leverage bet, which has just kind of become clear in the last couple of months. I notice if you watch sports or you watch news, and we watch sports for entertainment, but we curate the news. The advertising cycle to businesses is all centered around agentic having an agent. And they're convincing businesses and business people if you want to succeed in business as a mid level, even junior person, you have got to basically build and work with an agent, a digital agent of yourself. This agentic revolution, this is where I think it gets even scarier. Can you walk us through that for a second and why this could be particularly very scary?

[Unnamed AI and Labor Expert]

Absolutely. Well, I think the agents are being built by these companies to replace human work, to replace human workers. And this is just the beginning of this. These things are getting more and more sophisticated every few weeks, every few months. The capabilities are rising exponentially. And so the very stated purpose of why they're creating these agents is to take over white collar work. And then when you couple that with robotics, and I know robotics is sort of a little slower to develop, it's hard to get it right. But, but if you have robots that are increasing in, in versatility and in, in dexterity, the ability to use their fingers to grasp things and do these precise movements, you, you power them with AI agents. And now you look at what that impact will be on blue collar work. And so automation is the purpose, it's the design of a lot of these companies. They want to basically capture the value of the labor force. They want to basically get wealthier themselves. They want to capture the value of that labor. They want to get massively wealthy. They want to be the first trillionaires in history. And I think they realize, as they've said publicly, that they fear what could happen when people realize this and when people start to see what's happening to them. I mean, they have used the term that they fear the mob. Well, yeah, you should fear. And it's not, it's not a mob. When you're just basically capturing the value of people's labor, you're putting them out of work, you're, you know, using companions to get their kids addicted and hooked. You're encouraging this, this situation where we have AI psychosis and delusion. People are Losing their minds because they're going down this rabbit hole. So they're creating all these societal problems, which, by the way, they created these same problems with social media. AI is just going to make that exponentially worse. And so, yeah, people are upset. They don't trust the big tech CEOs, they don't trust the companies. They don't like what they're seeing. And they have every right to be concerned and to be worried. And they are. And what we're asking people who are watching this to do is to take action. You know, join us in this fight. We need your help.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is what, you know, the first part is an awakening. We got to make sure everybody's awakened to this. I think it's happening so rapidly. Where do people go? Tell us, tell them how they can join. I want people to get more information. We're trying to put it out all the time, every day. But I need. We need an informed. When they talk about a mob, they talk about Homo sapiens. Right. Which they're trying to get beyond Homo sapiens. So we need Homo sapiens to awaken to what they're trying to do to eliminate you. And that's where you're putting information. Where do people go to get on your site? What is your recommendation? Call to action. Your recommended call to action right now? Sure.

[Unnamed AI and Labor Expert]

The best thing people can do is to join us by coming to our website. Secure AI now.org secure AI now.org Sign up. We'll send you information. We'll send you key news alerts. And if you really want to take action on some of the legislation we're working on in the states and on Capitol Hill, we'll give you ways to do that. We stay in touch with people that join the alliance. We work with countless groups across the country, and there's some great organizations that we work with to lead this effort. And so, yeah, join us online. We'll make sure that we give you updates on how you can take action in the moment. But the overall thing I want people to do, be aware, get educated, and stay in touch with us because we have to act right now.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

That's why it's an alliance. But, yeah, time for actions now. Like I said, we're hurtling down. We're making a national bet, we're making a corporate bet that's so highly leveraged on this technology. And if it doesn't work, and it doesn't work perfectly, I actually think it's on many levels fairly inefficient. At least right now, the BET they're making financially is quite scary.

[Unnamed Advertiser/Promoter]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Where do people go to join the alliance?

[Unnamed AI and Labor Expert]

Yeah. Please join [e-mail] and you can follow us on all the social media channels. Secure AI now.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Thank you, brother. Appreciate you.

[Unnamed AI and Labor Expert]

Thank you. Steve.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Knowledge is power, right? It's one of the. We talk at this show about human agency. Your agency, not some digital agentic entity is what they're trying to do is replace you with that. Don't take the bait. They know exactly what they're doing. They're very smart. Your agency is all important. That's the reason we bent the arc of history on this show with you. You're the ones that do it.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. Rosemary Jenks. This makes your whole crusade to rid this country of these phony work visas, the ones that come through college and lead right to H1BS, flooded the nation with essentially low skilled tech workers. Even more important because AI is first coming to take out, as I say, lower managerial, administrative and in tech. And so this makes the clarion call. It's one of the reasons that the tech bros. The oligarchs don't want to get rid of H1B visas. They want this transition with they. And they don't care about flooding the country with people that can't be assimilated. They have, they have. It's not their problem. They're living in a whole different, you know, it's like the Middle Ages. They're living in these fortified, you know, basically enclaves. And they don't have to worry about the healthcare, they don't have to worry about the social breakdown. They don't have to worry about here in Texas. This is why I tell people we are here for the Sharia law and for. Because nobody wanted to talk about it. And we gave a permission structure to do that. Starting the conference a couple weeks ago and it's caught on fire. The New York Times has an article for, I think two days ago saying all of a sudden it's become the number one issue in the Republican primary. Out of nowhere, the, you know, care and the Muslim Brotherhood. Nobody saw this coming. I tell people now that we've shifted the show down here because we're here until at least the 3rd of March with the primary. I tell people right below the interest in stopping Sharia law and really stopping this Islamic invasion is this issue of H1B visas. It's everywhere I go, every meeting I'm in, everything I talk, people pull me aside and say, hey, this is huge and I'm all in and we're dedicated. But these H1B visas, you guys have got to work on stopping this because it's destroying the state of Texas. And now you couple it with artificial intelligence. And artificial intelligence, the companies alone, besides equity are going to put in, they're raising, I think they're going to spend $800 billion in capex over and above government assistance. And a lot of that Bloomberg's reporting right now, a lot of that is going to be borrowed. And it's just making a huge leverage bet on this technology. And this technology's principal purpose initially is to eviscerate jobs to drive margin. Rosemary Jenks, your thoughts?

[Rosemary Jenks]

Yeah, well, Steve, if you leave AI aside, we have already gone well down the road to decimating our domestic labor force with our immigration system. So the fact that we have made cheap foreign labor available to employers means that American workers are second choice already. So you add AI on top of that, American workers become third choice. And there's a new study that has just come out by George Borjas, who's a Harvard economic economist who is fantastic it's done by the National Bureau of Economic Research, and It shows that H1BS across the board are paid 16% less than American workers in the same jobs. However, if you drill down to occupations like software developers, the difference is 30%. So employers can save almost a third of the wages by hiring an H1B instead of an American. So that means that even if you have $100,000 fee on top of the H1B approval process, like President Trump did, the employer makes that back within four years and it's pure profit after that. So we have put American workers second already, and now we're talking about putting them third. That is not sustainable. We cannot have this. And, you know, the first thing we need to do, in my view, is get rid of these, these visas so that we can stop replacing Americans with cheap foreign labor. And then we're going to have to deal with AI because we don't have a country if we don't have solid work where people can earn a living and, and have the, you know, the moral support and values that work entails.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The meaning and purpose of your life is a lot of it is around your work and your family and normal. And sometimes those are inextricably linked, which is fantastic. That balance is what makes happy people who are fulfilled. Let me go back, because every politician talks about this. You were at NumbersUSA for decades. We used to work with you all the time at Breitbart and then.

[Unnamed Advertiser/Promoter]

And then War Room.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And then you shifted. Cause you said, hey, the battlefield is shifting. And it's shifting because every politician goes out on the stump and says, I'm for protecting American workers. The Democrats say it. The MAGA Republicans say it. I mean, that's. But behind the scenes, the reality is the donors want this. The tech guys, they're not dumb people. They understand that saving 30% on their basic tech workers means expanded margins, and expanded margins means higher stock price. And that's why they're doing this. An economic incentive to do it. Plus, these workers are not, as, what I would say, feisty or as cussed maybe as the American workers. They're very malleable. And that's why you got them in Silicon Valley. Living X amount to a condo. But this is supported by the political class. You never hear a discussion about this. This is why it takes shows like us giving a platform to people like you that are in there now. You've set up an index that we can see this just like the heritage and other people have had index on conservatism and you're at the forefront of legislation. But we're in a situation now with the very modicum and basics of the stop election fraud. We can't even get it considered by the Senate. Where do we really stand and what do we have to do? What is the call to action to make sure that we can finally lance the boil. Right. And drain all the pus out about the H1B visas and that'll lead us to a more tournament. Other things. Cause you've been working nonstop to try to get legislation, but it's pushing. You're like Prometheus pushing a rock uphill.

[Rosemary Jenks]

Yeah, it's a big hill. It's more like a mountain. We are going to, first of all, have to get the Senate to move to the talking filibuster. There's no we other way that we can get serious election integrity legislation done. The Save America act passed the House yesterday. It did. It only got one Democrat. So we know we're not going to get Democrats in the Senate. Except for, you know, potentially Fetterman, I don't know. But we're going to have to get that to President Trump's desk. And quite frankly, I don't care how they do it, they have got to do it. I will say the filibuster has saved America from amnesty several times in the past. But going to the talking filibuster does not require a rule change. It is not the nuclear option. So we are in favor of that in terms of getting immigration legislation. We're just not there yet with Congress. And you're absolutely right. It's because of the donors. You know, there are members of Congress whose own children are, are in tech fields, have graduated for with STEM degrees and they can't find jobs. So the message is getting through, but they still need the cash for reelection campaigns. We have got to defeat the message of the donors. And the way we do that is constant pressure on members of Congress. If you look at our website, iapaction.com you can find out, as Steve said, exactly where your member of Congress, both the House and the Senate, stands on immigration issues. It is a ranking system based essentially on sports rankings that tells you everything you need to know about what your member of Congress believes or doesn't believe and is willing to stand up for or not. And they need encouragement when they do good things and they need to be held accountable when they do stupid things. Because unfortunately, it's the stupid things that tend to prevail.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

What about the executive order? Let's go through that. Because as you know, we said, this thing can't be reformed. It's too corrupt. It's allowed too many people in. And they say, oh, it's only like 50,000 years. That doesn't include the universities, doesn't include all these other businesses. They're letting in millions. The reforms President Trump tried to do in the executive order, they're clearly not, this is my take. They're clearly not gonna work. If you were sitting down with President Trump and said, hey, I think we need to tweak or recast the executive order, what would be your recommendation to him?

[Rosemary Jenks]

Well, first of all, we absolutely must get rid of the OPT program, the optional practical training, because that is the pipeline that goes directly our universities that carries foreign students to these tech jobs and gives the employers a tax break to hire the foreign students instead of American graduates. And then they go straight into the H1B. So if we break that pipeline, we can essentially prevent more. It won't be, you know, full scale, but we can prevent more people from getting to the H1B system because the employers won't know about them because they haven't hired them as OPT students. So that's one major thing. This study that I referred to, the Borja study, actually looked at the president's $100,000 fee and said that's not enough to make employ to dissent. Disincentivize employers from hiring H1BS because they save so much money. And one of the reasons they save so much money with this 30% discount in wages is because they can keep the H1B indefinitely. You know, it's supposed to be a three year visa that's renewable once. Instead they're staying here for 40, 50 years because the employers sponsor them for a green card that needs to be shut off. Unfortunately, Congress has to do that, but it needs to be done. And that would go a long way toward making it so that that H1Bs are not, in fact, cheaper than Americans for these employers. And that's the key. You have to make hiring a foreign worker more expensive than hiring an American.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Rosemary, where do people go to get the rankings? Where they go to get on your site to support you? Social media and the, and the website.

[Rosemary Jenks]

Iapaction.Com is where our congressional rankings are. You can support us through that page. We need everybody's support to keep this work going. And our X page is IA Project. All of our other social media can be found on our website or from IA Project on X.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Thank you, ma'.

[Rosemary Jenks]

Am.

[Kurt Mills]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Welcome back. With everything else President Trump's trying to juggle, we're trying to juggle maybe another massive war in the Middle East. Kurt Mills joins. Kurt I what I found interesting there, there's really not been a readout or maybe I missed it, but it hasn't been a lot. They had a three hour meeting yesterday with Netanyahu. I think his Sixth time he's been over. They had the. In the pre meeting had about the Board of Peace and in the meeting they talked about that. They also talked about the redevelopment of Gaza, which is a very high priority for President Trump, that the Qatar and the Turks, Qatar will provide the financing, most of it or organize it and the Turks will oversee the security. And he's pressing forward with that as his advisors, Jared and company are doing it. But we didn't hear a lot. A lot hasn't leaked about what's going on, although there's still assets moving into the region. So what's the latest that you're hearing?

[Kurt Mills]

Yeah, so I think yesterday was a big deal for potentially avoiding a war with Iran. Number one, as you flagged yesterday, the Prime Minister of Israel's entrance into the White House was unusual. It was done through the side door. That's not really how a head of state is generally treated. Marco Rubio looked a little bit uncomfortable with him. And the Israeli press has picked up on this, saying that Netanyahu's visit this time was done with much less pomp and circumstance and that that was relevant. Secondarily, the Turks most, most notably the foreign minister of Faidan is messaging explicitly. It's unclear if this is true, but they haven't gotten anything wrong yet. They are messaging explicitly that the administration is weighing a low enrichment deal with the Iranians. This is a big deal. So essentially what this means is that the US Would agree to a deal that would have a lower, much lower potentially level of enrichment than the Obama era jcpoa, but so it's better, it's a stronger deal, but it also avoids a war.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah, but this would be totally. I mean I thought President Trump's been pretty adamant and this is why Netanyahu wants to expand the conversation. It was zero enrichment, zero ability to make weapons. And also going to the ballistic missiles, no delivery systems. In fact, I think even shorter ballistic missiles that can hit Tel Aviv on a tactical basis. Bibi wants that expanded to that at a minimum. Plus he wants to talk about additional efforts for regime change. I mean they want to start shooting immediately. But even in the negotiation discussion, it's some sort of regime driven discussion. How do we go from that agenda, I mean one from the march to kinetic war to the broader agenda now to an agenda looks like that looks like something a deal can get done. Because as you said yesterday and so many people I've talked about a lot of the Persians, particularly RGC guys saying hey, if we're going to get stripped of everything. Let's just get it on now. And that's one of the reasons Qatar, these meetings, the three hour meetings took place yesterday in Qatar and in other places that were saying, hey, we're exposed here. These guys are going to be lighting off rockets all over the place. We don't have the defenses that other people have. They're going to take down our oil and gas industry for maybe half a decade.

[Kurt Mills]

Sir, I think that the first point you make, there's some ambiguity. The President has been most adamant about no nuclear weapon. He hasn't been and has been very conspicuous throughout this process. He hasn't been adamant, generally speaking, about no enrichment or no ballistic missiles. These are the Israeli asks and he has not been messaging that unless it's a true social. That occasionally seems almost like it was written for him or an off the, kind of off the cuff comment. The, the clear messaging is no nuclear weapon. That was reiterated yesterday by Vice President Vance, which I think was also notable because I don't think Vice President Vance would talk out of turn from the President. So the administration's policy at the top level seems to be no nuclear weapon. If that is the policy, then there is a deal to be struck that is better than the Obama JCPOA with the Iranians. And that seems to be what we're talking about here. If the deal's criterion are widened to quote, zero enrichment, which means zero nuclear, you know, basically we're talking about 0 versus 1.5 at this point. If it's widened to that and it's widened to no ballistic missiles, from the perspective of the Iranian regime, they'd rather just go to war because they may survive the war and keep their weapons.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I want to go to Turkey for a second. You know, President Trump has had a long term relationship with Erdogan and let's be blunt, he thinks quite highly of him.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

We had the President Trump went to Knesset and you had those two meetings, you had one at the resort I think on the Red Sea, that was gonna be the signing of the actual document. This is the Gaza peace document and the redevelopment document. President Trump went to the Knesset first. Then he went and it was announced when he was getting ready to leave that Bibi was now invited, was gonna attend. As President Trump's heading there, Erdogan's coming in his jet and puts out and I think tells people, hey, if Netanyahu, I can't have Netanyahu in a meeting there. It's got to. And then all of a sudden Netanyahu came up with some reason that they had a religious holiday or he had to go to a religious observance. The President has also been very adamant about, and he hasn't budged on this, that Qatar is going to have a major role here in what I call the two state solution in Gaza, the foothold into Israel where you're going to have 2.2 million Palestinians, Qatar money, and if you look at the drawings, it's a new Tel Aviv or Miami beach on steroids. That's what they're committed to build. And Qatar is talking about putting up that kind of money. The Turks will be security and they'll be organizing the Egyptians and UAE and other military forces. Now, people I talk to in Israel, Tom, say that's never gonna happen, that's all a fantasy, etc. But talk to about this foreign minister today, he was pretty adamant that they actually are in discussions for low level of enrichment. And given President Trump's relationship with Erdogan, and you heard the Vice President, what he said yesterday, no one in the American government has countered that. And given President Trump's relationship with Erdogan, there may be something there, is it not?

[Kurt Mills]

No, for sure. And I think it's interesting that you link the Iran and Palestine files. It's something that I was told sort of overnight by someone who would know, is that there are elements of the administration, even potentially people like Jared Kushner who are, I think, ambiguous players on Middle east politics who think solving the Iran issue nonviolently is potentially the key to also solving the Palestinian issue nonviolently. Now, of course, this isn't what Benjamin Netanyahu wants. I think he wants a continuation of the war on both fronts. And so this would be bad for him politically and thus that's why he's lobbying here in Washington. But as to the Turkish relationship, yes, it has. It's probably one of the most under explored, if not the most underexplored relationship in geopolitics. Trump and Erdogan quietly have gotten on for some time since the first term, as I think you allude to. And the Turks have been very, very careful players throughout all of this. There's no love lost between Turkey and Iran. And Turkey repeatedly, both on and off the record, will assail the Iranians for use of proxies in the region. But what they don't want, what they don't want is a all out US Israeli regime change, war in the region. Number one, they don't want to deal with a flow of refugees. There's been tons of refugees that Turkey has handled from the Syria war. But number two, they know that they'll be next on the hit list for Israel if Israelis are able to convince the Americans to get involved. Frankly, I have heard when Netanyahu comes to Washington, half the time he talks about Turkey as much as he talks about Iran.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah, I mean, look, the ancient enmity between those two, the Turks and the Persians, is a historical fact. Look, I think Erdogan sees himself as a man of history, a historic figure, maybe even a world historic figure. And he is trying to reverse World War I. He's trying to reverse General Allenby and Lawrence of Arabia, the Arab revolt, all of it that took the two holy sites away from the Ottoman Empire. And he's working with Qatar. I believe he wants to leave with an Ottoman Empire and a caliphate that controls the two holy sites. Now, that is quite controversial, but I think his plan is pretty straightforward. And like I said, he sees himself as historical figure. And President Trump has a strong relationship with him. You can see that every step of the way here. President Trump has a strong relationship with him. So that's gonna happen. I wanna go back to that point you make that not enough people talk about the two files kind of working together. President Trump's a man of peace and he's a business guy. You can tell that the Abraham Accords is not a political deal. The reason you were having sign up from it is that it's a business and financial deal. Remember the people running the Gulf Emirates? Because these are not democracies, they're not politicians, they're business people. They're business people in the area of oil and gas. And now they're taking their excess cash and they're putting. It sometimes works, sometimes it doesn't work. But they're trying to be high tech. Both Qatar, uae, the Saudis, they're putting in, they are business people and they look at things through a business perspective. That's why the Abraham Accords, as kind of shaky as that's been, has actually worked here. You actually have another business transaction. It's not a political transaction. It's a real estate development, massive capital. You gotta have security that has a political oversight from it. But it's a very high priority for President Trump. Anybody that doesn't get that doesn't understand what's going on. And that's why he's been adamant with all this thing. He says these are small issues and we can decide them. The disarming Hamas and people I know in Israel, and I know some very well are saying that's not a small issue, they gotta be disarmed. But that's why I think they've linked now going forward with the Turkish and the Qatar involvement to a broader perspective. I would just tell you, I think people in the region fear that the opening couple of salvos on any type of military interdiction they're not prepared for and could have massive business consequences for people like in Doha and Abu Dhabi, in Dubai and other places when missiles start hitting. Kurt Mills.

[Kurt Mills]

No, I think you're quite right to pick up on this business element as the potential actual wedge between the US and the Israelis at this point.

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[Kurt Mills]

The fact is war will be bad for the kind of business, the sort of investment in building infrastructure in the region that both the administration wants to get involved in and also Trump's own family. These investments in the Gulf won't be worth anything if they're basically target practice for Iranian missiles. And so I think this is, while, you know, Trump has gone pretty far with Netanyahu, this is actually a potential point of departure between their visions because this is not the Netanyahu vision. The Netanyahu vision is to atomize and to chop up the Arab and Muslim worlds. And he views that as basically mowing the lawn and ensuring Israeli security. I'm not so sure that actually ensures Israeli security, but that's his vision for his country since the 90s. And that is pretty, pretty at loggerheads with a expanding financialized Arab world where, you know, Trump and his family can build hotels and Kushner can build hedge funds based in Riyadh. And so I think this is actually what could actually stop an all out war at the 11th hour. And you know, at this point, you got to take what you can get. If this prevents a war. I think that's, that, that's a sort of reemergence of financial peace theory.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's, it's, it's, you'd have to go pretty far to look at as bad a guys as the ayatollahs and the mullahs. The point I make number one, having been over there at the beginning of this fiasco, is that as I remember the people in the streets now, their parents, they overthrew. We were involved, I mean Persia, in the Shah of Iran. In Iran, that was our ally like nobody else. That's all, you know, from Johnson to Nixon, these were the guys, you know, they had the biggest army armament, the biggest army. They, they bought the most weapons, they had the most modern military. And you know, the Shah was was far from being a perfect guy. They had what SAVAK and and these turf and they were turfed out and they were turfed out because people wanted Islamic republic. And guess what? Since 1979, they've got one. And you can tell the country's shattered President Trump and these economic sanctions plus Scott Besant. The US Media hasn't said a lot about it, but if you look at the regional media, they're all over Scott Bessant went and destroyed their currency. I mean, he crushed it. It's one of the reasons that that the, that they took to the streets. The economic sanctions are working now. Netanyahu keeps saying and Levin and these guys keep saying, you can't trust the Middle East. You can't trust any deal. I think the one thing they're missing is that the president has trusted, whether you like it or not, he has trust in Qatar and he has trust in Turkey, in the uae. Let's take a short commercial break. I want Kurt to stick around. We've got to talk more about this in a moment in the war room.

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[Kurt Mills]

Yeah, for sure. You go to www.theamericanconservative.com we were a magazine founded by Patrick J. Buchanan and other conservatives in 2000, 2002 against the Iraq war. We are the encore generation that are working against a new Iran war today in the 2000 and twenties. And you can find my own information at urtmillsurt. M I L L S on X. And yeah, you can find me there. And I think, you know, look, very quickly, the point you made about 1979 is very useful. You know, a lot of times, you know, Lindsey Graham is arguing that Trump should be, quote, Reagan. Plus, putting aside the hilarity that Trump doesn't really seem to like that name. Something that Trump actually should avoid is becoming Carter. Plus when the Iranian revolution first happened, what occurred is that the hawks and proto neocons around Brzezinski urged them not to work with the new regime. You don't have to like the new regime, but the fact is they controlled Iran. They argued for, you know, accepting the shah to the U.S. they argued for the special operations operation Eagle's Claw that failed. And so yes, Trump is probably pretty high on the special forces operation in Venezuela, the Cap Maduro. But it's not clear with the military options here and there's tons of risk and not a lot of upside. And the President Trump would not want to repeat Jimmy Carter's mistake by doing intervention in Iran.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

In fact, CNBC's got a good article today, but all the alternatives, how tough the military was. I was also there for the workup for Equals Claw. Kurt, thank you so much. Look forward to having you back on this afternoon tomorrow. This is a fluid situation, folks, so keep up to date with Kurt Nonstop. Tej Gill, you've been what, 16, 18 times your thoughts about a military interdiction here and then I want to pivot after 60 seconds and sell me some of the best coffee in the world.

[Tej Gill]

All right? Yeah, I don't think we should go back into it or go into Iran. I don't think, I mean, if, if we can bomb them again and get away with it, that's one thing, but how many times can we do that and get away with it cleanly? I think, you know, this Venezuela thing went smooth, but I think we're going to get in trouble attacking Iran. I don't think we can get away with doing it over and over. There's Chinese aircraft landing in there all time, all the time. There's a Chinese railroad that goes into Iran. They're partnering up with Russia. They've helped Russia extensively in Ukraine. Now it's Russia's turn to help Iran. So if we, if I think if we get tangled up in Iran again, it's not going to be clean like, like the last time in like Venezuela. I think it's going to get dirty. And then if it does turn into a boots on the ground thing, there's going to be a wave of refugees. And guess where they're going to America and Europe. And we already have enough of that. Look what's going on in Texas, dealing with, of the Muslims down there setting up Sharia law and invading the country. There's already 50 million Muslims in Europe and that's because of the 2011, 2012 Arab Spring from Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. They, they toppled, you know, Syria, Libya and all the other countries in the Middle east. And the wave of refugees flooded Europe. And that's what will happen if this thing goes sideways and we end up in a prolonged kinetic conflict in Iran. There's going to be waves of refugees and they're going to flood the West. That, that's, that's something I haven't heard a lot of people talking about. And then this is just going to be the continuation of the endless wars. And even now if, if we don't go kinetic in there, this is a, basically a continuations of the kinetic of the endless wars for the military industrial complex. Just moving that naval armada and all the troops to the Middle east as leverage. That costs billions of dollars to, to do that. So that, that is, that feeds the military industrial complex. So that's basically an extension of the endless wars. Just, just moving these chess pieces on the board costs billions of dollars. Maybe I don't think it's a good idea.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

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