Episode 5159: Protecting American Industries And The Fight For Tariffs

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room

Episode 5159: Protecting American Industries and the Fight for Tariffs
Date: February 21, 2026
Host: Stephen K. Bannon

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Main Theme

This episode centers on a “bombshell” Supreme Court decision overturning President Trump’s emergency tariffs on grounds of unconstitutionality, the implications for U.S. economic security and manufacturing, and the broader populist fight for election integrity and industrial policy. The episode blends breaking legal news, election concerns, ongoing health and food policy reform, and the escalating U.S.–Iran tensions with a strong nationalist, anti-globalist message.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Supreme Court Overturns Trump’s Emergency Tariffs

[00:45, 32:00–39:34]

• Context: Supreme Court rules 6-3 against Trump’s use of emergency tariff authority (IPA), citing lack of constitutionality.
• Bannon Reaction: Frames this as economic warfare akin to a national security issue, suggesting the decision weakens U.S. sovereignty and economic leverage.
• Quote:

  "This is going to have massive, massive consequences. We talk about economic warfare… this is a national security issue.” — Steve Bannon [00:45]

• Implications: Decision delays further litigation to federal court, tying up tariffs for years. Bannon and guests stress the need for legislative action to codify protectionist tariffs.

2. Election Integrity and Georgia Controversy

[02:31–13:58]

• Guest - Harry: Presents evidence that over 315,000 ballots in Georgia’s 2020 election “should never have been counted” due to tainted or missing provenance, constituting not just incompetence but "criminal intent."

  "The fact of the matter is... they decide to throw these 315,000 broken ballots into the system and count them anyway. This is choice." — Harry [02:31]

• Jason Frazier: Recounts resistance and punitive threats faced by Georgia election board members investigating irregularities:

  “I will not back off, Steve. ... It is my duty as an American citizen to make this happen. So I’m willing to do whatever it takes. We just need clean elections.” — Jason Frazier [07:37]

• Joe Hoft: Cites expert reports, claims of insecure voting machines, and recounts how scrutiny of the 2020 Georgia election was stonewalled, emphasizing the ongoing political will required:

  “Even the government, the system said, this was a mess.” — Joe Hoft [10:50]

• Bannon’s Framing: Positions the entire system — from local officials to media and courts — as refusing accountability:

  "They wanted Trump in prison until he died in this whole thing. And they don’t have the common decency to step forward." — Steve Bannon [12:42]

3. Make America Healthy Again: Policy Revolution at HHS

[19:13–26:39]

• Tony Lyons (Make America Healthy Coalition): Details significant reforms under Secretary Bobby Kennedy and President Trump:
  • New dietary guidelines emphasizing protein and whole foods in schools.
  • SNAP program reforms eliminating use for soda/candy.
  • Reduction in childhood vaccine schedule (from 17 to 10).
  • Removal of mercury from flu vaccines; changes to Hep B and COVID vaccine recommendations.
  • Massive public awareness campaign against ultra-processed foods (e.g., Super Bowl ad).
• Key Quote:

  “Changing the dietary guidelines…that’s just a game-changer. It’s a body blow to pharmaceutical companies who have been treating these kids… This is such a big change.” — Tony Lyons [19:13]

• Bannon’s Praise: Highlights Kennedy’s willingness to confront "immovable objects" (Big Pharma, Big Food/Agro), positioning Trump as the first president with true alignment to MAHA (Make America Healthy Again) values.

  “He’s going after the biggest of the big … and he’s not backing off an inch. And President Trump’s got his back…” — Steve Bannon [23:34]

Notable Political Realignment

• Tony Lyons:

  “President Trump is more of an old time Democrat than any Democrat now…pro free speech, he’s anti censorship, he’s anti war.” [25:34]

• Celebrates increased dissent and debate as evidence of genuine democracy and culture change.

Controversy: Roundup (Glyphosate) Executive Order

[27:03–28:00]

• Lyons: Acknowledges glyphosate’s dangers but describes a practical transition for U.S. agriculture since 80% of farmers rely on it. Suggests innovation, incentives, and new technologies are needed rather than a sudden ban.

  “Banning it outright doesn’t work. So we need to look at new technologies. We need to fast-track regulatory pathways.” — Tony Lyons [27:03]

4. Tariffs as American Policy: The Hamiltonian Tradition

[32:46–39:34]

• John Gardner (Small Manufacturer Advocate): Urges codifying tariff policy in Congress to outlast presidential terms and replace income tax for most Americans with tariff revenue.

  “We voted for the tariff man to protect us…let’s codify these tariffs in Congress so that Trump’s legacy lives on.” — John Gardner [32:46]

• Traces protectionist roots to Alexander Hamilton and Henry Clay as fundamental to America's industrial rise.

  “This is how our nation was designed to function…to pay the bills of the federal government and to protect its manufacturers.” — John Gardner [35:01]

• Bannon: Emphasizes that Trump’s policies are deeply Hamiltonian—a true American system to revive industry and protect the middle class.

5. Foreign Policy & The Iran Escalation

[40:00–51:13]

• Fox & Friends Clip / Rachel Duffy: Questions rationale for possible war with Iran, demands direct explanation of U.S. interests.

  “Explain to me why I should risk my military age boys potentially going into another war in the Middle East. I thought we were done with that.” — Rachel Duffy [41:47]

• Bannon and Trita Parsi (Responsible Statecraft):
  • Parsi warns that incremental military strikes are likely to provoke escalation, not negotiation, citing low U.S. public support for war (18% overall, 35% among Republicans).
  • Parsi suggests Iran would retaliate by harming U.S. interests (closing Strait of Hormuz, oil prices, inflation) rather than capitulate to unattractive deals.

  “If Trump chooses to do this limited strike, ... the calculation on the Iranian side is that a limited strike nevertheless brings about a larger defeat for them. So their only chance is actually to strike back…” — Trita Parsi [48:16]

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Steve Bannon: "This is a national security issue. This is going to have massive consequences." [00:45]
• Harry: "The fact… is they decide to throw these 315,000 broken ballots into the system and count them anyway. This is choice." [02:31]
• Jason Frazier: "I will not back off, Steve. … It is my duty as an American citizen to make this happen." [07:37]
• Joe Hoft: "Even the government, the system said, this was a mess." [10:50]
• Tony Lyons: "Changing the dietary guidelines… that's a game changer… getting rid of the right for people who get money from taxpayers to spend 25% of it on candy and soda. That’s millions of people eating healthier food." [19:13]
• John Gardner: "We voted for the tariff man... [We should] codify these tariffs in Congress so that Trump's legacy lives on after his administration and it isn't whittled down by the globalists again." [32:46]
• Rachel Duffy: "Explain to me why I should risk my military age boys potentially going into another war in the Middle East. I thought we were done with that." [41:47]
• Trita Parsi: "Their only chance is actually to strike back, however bad that chance is… they can try to destroy Trump's presidency before they lose the war." [48:16]

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• 00:45: Bannon opens with 'bombshell' Supreme Court ruling on tariffs.
• 02:31–08:20: Georgia 2020 election evidence, criminal intent allegations, and election board resistance.
• 10:50–13:58: Joe Hoft discusses voting machine insecurity and wider implications.
• 19:13–28:00: MAHA health coalition reforms and the Roundup controversy.
• 32:46–39:34: John Gardner on the Hamiltonian tariff tradition and middle-class protection.
• 40:00–46:59: Rachel Duffy, Bannon & guests debate the rationale for military action against Iran.
• 48:16–51:13: Trita Parsi analyzes likely Iranian responses and domestic repercussions of U.S. escalation.

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Overall Tone & Takeaway

The episode is urgent, combative, and steeped in populist, protectionist, and anti-establishment sentiment. Bannon and guests frame current crises—legal, political, economic, health, and foreign policy—in terms of a struggle for the soul of America, linking Supreme Court, Congress, and corporate interests as obstacles to sovereignty, industry, and electoral fairness. There is heavy emphasis on historical precedent, direct action, and the need for continued grassroots vigilance.

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For listeners seeking to understand the ongoing fight over tariffs, the legacy of American industrial protectionism, the continued allegations about election integrity, and the populist perspective on health and foreign policy, this episode offers a sweeping, hard-hitting narrative—and a clear call to action for the War Room’s audience.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

[John Gardner]

MAGA media.

[Steve Bannon]

I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and

[Tony Lyons]

what is my purpose?

[Steve Bannon]

If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Jason Frazier]

War room.

[Steve Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Okay. Bombshell ruling a moment ago. It is Friday 21st February, the year of our Lord 2026. Bombshell ruling moments ago. 6, 3. Overruling or saying unconstitutional President Trump's emergency tariffs, that he used IPA to say it's a national security issue. It is a national security issue. This is going to have massive, massive. We talk about economic warfare and we talk about the ability to kind of manage what's happening in Iran right now. If you just leave the United States with military force, I don't know, this is going to have massive consequences. And now I understand that the, about getting the money back or what's going to happen, they're going to push that down to federal court. So now we're going to be tied up on that for years anyway. President waiting for the White House to give some, to give some guidance here. Peter Navarro was going to join us today about the missing gdp. Because of the Democrat shutdown, Democrats realized they have leverage here and they're going to use that leverage. Do they have leverage in Georgia to make sure they get past the stealing of the 2020 election and sorting this mess out. So 2026 cannot be stolen. Harry, just give me a minute. Why you. You've made the statement that this is a criminal. This, you believe this is criminal, not just some sort of incompetence, not people that should have known better but didn't, not people that were working hard and the data just didn't set up. You're saying, number one, it's not 2020 was not certifiable and you believe was not certifiable because of actual criminal activity. Did I read that correctly?

[Harry]

Correct. I mean, the problem here is that we. Between the missing digital signatures and another piece where the early voting tabulator tapes are not retained, you don't have any Provenance that's required by state law on these ballots. There's over 300,000 ballots that were counted. And there's two aspects of this. The first is that they were counted even though they had tainted provenance. If this was an election, not an election, but a criminal evidence locker, for instance, this. Admit this data would not be admissible in court. I mean, the whole provenance behind it has been destroyed. The second piece, though, that's staggering, is that they know this at the time, that they are submitting these counts for accumulation in the statewide voting system. At that moment in time, they make a choice. It's a conscious choice to put illegal ballots. That's what they're called. They don't have the property, legal authorization to be counted. They make the choice to count them. Over 315,000 ballots in Georgia should never have been counted. And why do we know it's a choice? Because it was still reversible. They could have recounted all 315,000 and corrected whatever problem. Let's say it's not malice, even though it looks like malice, frankly, from an expert perspective. But the fact of the matter is, let's say it was just an accident. They decide to throw these 315,000 broken ballots into the system and count them anyway. This is choice.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay. Okay. This is so important. And make sure you pull this clip Grayson Mo. And push it. Because every time they say, they go, well, there was this 300,000 thing we just found out about, but that was just a clerical error and didn't mean anything. This is what they're trying to do. Harry, I want everybody to go over to your site. What you're exposing now in Georgia and Pennsylvania is nothing short of jaw dropping. And as I told you in your press release, I think you've buried the lead I would have put in the headlines. You believe you've seen criminal intent on this? This just couldn't be incompetence or it couldn't be laziness. It's gotta be something else. Harry.

[Harry]

Keep those in the system. They made a decision.

[Steve Bannon]

Yes, a conscious, conscious decision. Right, Harry? Where do people go?

[Harry]

I want everybody.

[Steve Bannon]

Go over yourself.

[Harry]

I'm sorry. Unite the number four. Freedom.com donations and volunteers are needed. We, by the way, we completely endorse Jason's findings. We've done the same type of work as he probably knows fully. But the. But the fact of the matter is we find the same problems with voter registration roles. But everybody gets into this noisy cloud, bad signal to noise ratio. But. But these types of things with regard to clearly broken and fractured ballots are completely illegal. You can't. You can't count things that don't comply with the law with regard to Providence. So, anyway, united.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, sir.

[Harry]

We need your help. Thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

Need volunteers, need donations. Go check it out. Talk to Harry directly. Thank you, sir. Jason Frazier. They are so afraid of you. They would risk $10,000 fine a day so as not to have you on your rightful position of Fulton County. Are you going to back off and do you recommend that Sally Grubbs and the rest of the team of the Georgia Election Board back off to get to the bottom of this?

[Jason Frazier]

I will not back off, Steve. And I don't believe the State Board of Elections will back off either. I mean, we need to find out what happened in 2020. We need to find out what happened in every election before and after that, so that way we can one day have clean elections that everyone on both sides of the aisle can trust. I mean, if I. If you look back, Stacey Abrams, she wasn't happy about how her election was run. And so this is a bipartisan issue. Fulton county and several other counties in the state do not run clean elections, period. So that's all the state board wants. That's all I want. We want clean voter rolls. I think I mentioned to you before that whenever I first started, I found a guy named Missing. Missing. That was his first and last name in the voter rolls, and he voted in the 2020 runoff. So how do you. How do you have that and claim we have the cleanest voter rolls in the country? It just boggles the mind. And people are frustrated because you find people at parking lots all over the place that are illegal.

[Steve Bannon]

Are you prepared? Do you understand, Sally and yourself? They're going to bring down the weight of the entire apparatus on you. You're what stands between them stealing the 2020 election and everything that happened since then. And the accountability has to go, and just let's move on. And, you know, I'm a windshield guy, not a rearview mirror guy, right? Do you understand how the apparatus is going to come down on you?

[Jason Frazier]

Yeah, that's. That is not something I expected. Whenever I first got into this, I had no idea how corrupt Fulton county was. But at this point, the way I see it is I'm doing this for my kids. I'm doing this for America. If I don't do it, who will? And there's not that many people that understand elections the way I do. It is my duty as an American citizen to make this happen. So I'M willing to do whatever it takes. We just need clean elections.

[Steve Bannon]

Jason, social media website. Where do people go to track you, follow you?

[Jason Frazier]

Yeah, they can find me at Jason Frazier, USA on X. And that's, that's my only social media. So I just try to bring the truth and let people know what's, what's really happening in Fulton County.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, sir. Appreciate you in your fight.

[Jason Frazier]

Thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

Joe Hoft, They've tried to bankrupt your brother. They've tried to bankrupt Gateway pundit, they've tried to run you down, They've tried to destroy. Johoft.com, your closing thoughts on this and observations.

[Joe Hoft]

Yeah, thanks, Steve. And that's right, and that's a fair warning to these other guys, too. You stand up against this behemoth, this monster. God knows who's behind it all, whether it's international or what. And, and you are going to face some challenges, believe me. But as I look at all this, Harry's, Harry's information is outstanding. Jason's doing great work, too. But it brings me back to just days after the 2020 election. We had a senator and a former judge release a report where he basically said that any of the, anything, any results from this election should be considered untrustworthy. We had President Trump have his own auditor provide him an analysis of what went on. He had tens of thousands of issues, and Trump used that information to talk to Raffensperger. And then Raffensperger leaked the call to the media. And they claimed that Trump was trying to steal the election by saying, hey, we've got all this. There's only, you know, you don't have 11,000 votes here. You know what's going on. Trump's asking these guys what's going on. Joe Rossi, a professor, I believe, and an engineer, has done great work since the election. He looked at both the certified machine recount and the hand counts, and he says they violated Georgia law. And here's the kicker. The cisa. The CISA said that basically, the machines used in Georgia, this is two years after the election, comes out with a report and says the machines are not secure. A bad actor can hack in and a bad actor can flip an election, and they use these machines again going forward. This is outrageous stuff. I've told you, I've shared before that I've done audits around the world. I've done audits in Communist China, fraud, multimillion dollar fraud, audits in Japan and around the world. I've never seen anything so broken. MSNBC or Ms. Now or Whatever they call themselves now, they'll never have me on because they don't want. They don't want me, as a professional, objective, independent auditor to say, this is a mess. This is what we saw across the country. And we're still gathering more and more and more information.

[Steve Bannon]

And this is kind of.

[Joe Hoft]

Even the government, the system said, this was a mess.

[Steve Bannon]

This is the kind of guy Roethlisberger is. The president has this conversation with Meadows, I think, clear other people. And of course, he leaks it to the media. And President Trump is saying, hey, look, it's 10,000, 11,000 votes. What's going on? It's got. We now know there's hundreds of thousands, hundreds of thousands. Why do you think if Raffensperger had answers, why does it take the Georgia Election Board in February of 2026, just ask yourself this. When you've had these people that have been patient and you have the Fulton county people saying, hey, we've asked the Secretary of State. They won't help us. We won't get the information from them, this is Fulton county, that the Georgia Election Board has got a subpoena. And don't think he's gonna answer up that subpoena. That whole thing's gonna go to court. You know why he does not wanna come back and sit there and have it streamed on Real America's voice in the war room as he's gotta answer questions that there are no answers to and that there were hundreds of thousands. You got Harry Hari saying, well, hey, bro, these were acts of commission. There's criminal intent here. Rosenberg doesn't wanna do that. He's gonna fight it tooth and nail. Don't think he's gonna just show up. If he had the answers and they had a plausible, even just incompetence, he would be there. And yet they wanted to put Trump in prison on that very phone call. Fani Willis, you saw the whole circus. They roll up, they try to bankrupt Rudy, they try to bankrupt Jim Hoft, get shut down, Gateway pundit. They were gonna put other people in prison, but they wanted Trump in prison until he died in this whole thing. And they don't have the common decency to step forward. This is why, folks, this is one of the greatest examples of American patriotism. These heroes in Georgia that had every opportunity, from Caroline Jeffers to all of them, Garland Favrea, just to throw in the towel. It's too hard. It's costing too much money. They're trying to bankrupt me. You know, they're gonna try to send me to prison. They stood in the breach, and we are where we are. And hey, standing in the breach, I got news for you. The hard part's just about to start because they ain't sending Abby Lowell and Norm Ison down there unless they know they have a massive problem. And the massive problem is all of these issues we're dealing with the country today, including the invasion of 20 to 25 million illegal alien invaders. You got the Bruce Springsteen song, the Straight Sub, Minneapolis, all of it. In the mass deportations and the fight and the deficits and the $7 trillion. Biden spent everything to destroy this country. The railhead of it is 2020. And the inner mechanics of it is in Fulton county, in Maricopa county, and in Philadelphia and in Detroit and in Milwaukee. And we know it, and they know it, and they know we know it. So now it's a test of political wills. There's no way to negotiate this. There's no middle ground. We either take this all the way to its logical conclusion or we've given up the country. Joe Hoff. Where do people go, Sir?

[Joe Hoft]

Go to Joehoff.com, the Gateway Pundit. Real Joe Hoff on Twitter. And you know, here's a final note. Raffensperger siding with Norm Ison. Now, that should tell. That should say it all.

[Steve Bannon]

Of course he's siding with Norm. Norm Ison's his lawyer. Abby Loth. Thank you, Joe. Say hi to your brother. Fantastic work. The Hoffs, they had to get rid of Gateway pundit. They got to shut that down. That's for bankruptcy. How many years in prison have Fani Willis wanted? Trump on all lies. All lies, all lies. Remember that. All lies. Not some lies. All lies. To protect themselves. Take it out with Bruce Springsteen. Look at that. That's a revolution. Because they want to keep 25 million illegal alien invaders in this country. Short break. Tony Lyons. Make America healthy again. The Coalition. Where are we? A new year means new financial goals. Like making sure your savings are secure and diversified. Will this be the year you finally listen to me and talk to someone from Birch Gold Group? Honestly, they're great people. I appreciate their educational approach and their understanding of macroeconomics. There are forces pushing the dollar lower and gold higher, which is why they believe every American should own physical gold. So until February, if you are a first time gold buyer, Birchgold is offering a rebate of up to $10,000 on qualifying purchases. To claim eligibility and start the process, just text Bannon at 989-898. Birch Gold can help you roll an existing IRA or 401K into an IRA in gold and you're still eligible for a rebate of up to $10,000. Make right now your first time to buy gold and take advantage of a rebate of up to $10,000. When you buy by by February 27, text my name bandit989898 and claim your eligibility today. Remember, text Bannon B A N N O N to 989-898. You've got to the end of February, the 27th of February to qualify up to a $10,000 rebate. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Okay, Tony Lyons, we're going to get to tariffs here in a moment because of bombshell today. Make sure I think now maybe is a wake up call for some in our vast audience that haven't want to understand capital markets and gold, fiat currencies, all of it. International economics is one of the things we try to present here every day or at least every couple of days here in the war room. Birchgold.com, promo code abandoned the end of the dollar empire, something we started five years ago. Why? Because we said the 2020 election stolen and Biden's a radical and they're going to spend so much money. But plus we didn't even know the scale of it. They're going to let, I don't know, 12, 13, 14, 15, 20 million, 25 million. The numbers, the scale of it is stunning. And of course Ben Berkwam and Oscar Blue Ramirez, we covered it better than anybody. Todd Benson at the time, who's in the government now over at, he's over at dhs. He was one of our top guys, right. We covered it from the Darien Gap all the way to the southern border and then into the country. And we said hey, every town's a border town and every state's a border state. And you saw it birchgold.com because we saw the dollar's going to get destroyed and it dropped 25% in purchasing power. Jordan Biden, go learn all about this. Learn the American system because the day was a body blow. Got to be honest, I think over at the White House they're regrouping the emergency terrorists of President Trump says I need this because their national security interests because national security issue because we've gutted our country of its manufacturing base used to be a manufacturing superpower. Birchgold.com and for a qualifying purchase, when you talk to Philip Patrick and please talk to Philip Patrick and the team, you get a free edition, the Patriots edition It's a hardbound of what we've been trying to teach or make available to you over the last five years, when gold was, I don't know, 1100 bucks an ounce, and now it's around 5000. But you understand it's not the price of gold, it's the process. So go check it out today. Tony Lyons, we've been talking, I've tried to get you on a couple times. We've been jammed. You know, you've been traveling, you're down there with Bobby a lot. To really get an update as we start the beginning of the second year of President Trump's second term, we talk about the coalition which you were so important in working with, Bobby, putting together Make America Healthy Coalition. And then, lo and behold, we kind of have a bombshell yesterday, this executive order, before I talk about this, about Roundup, what, what state, given what Bobby's trying to get done over at hhs, what is the state prior to the Roundup issue yesterday? Because I understand people have, some people are very upset about this. Up until that time, the progress we're making and how are we doing on Make America Healthy again, Sir, I think

[Tony Lyons]

there's just been incredible progress and they're going to be all kinds of people who are going to try to tear that down. And that's Big Pharma, Big ag. All of these companies want to make it look like this is failing, want to make it look like Maha is destroying itself, is disagreeing with itself. But the truth is, I mean, the real truth is that the progress has been just existential, that changing the dietary guidelines, turning them upside down so that children start to eat protein in school, that's just a game changer. It's a body blow to pharmaceutical companies who have been treating these kids who are eating chemicals in school, who are eating sugar in school, eating donuts in school. I mean, this is, this is such a big change. And then there are the major food brands taking artificial dyes out, the SNAP program, getting rid of the right for people who get money from taxpayers to spend 25% of it on candy and soda. That's millions of people eating healthier food, school lunches, millions and millions of children heading towards eating healthier food, drinking whole milk in schools rather than drinking sodas, the vaccine schedule changing, going from 17 down to 10. That is a major change. That's the first time in a generation where that's gone down. That is millions and millions of children getting fewer toxins in their body, fewer drugs, fewer chemicals that they don't need, then getting mercury out of the flu vaccine, getting rid of the Hep B vaccine at birth and getting rid of COVID vaccines for healthy children, for, you know, pregnant women. And then the incredible super bowl ad that we just ran that was viewed 150 million times telling people that, you know, hundreds of thousands of people are dying in this country because they're eating ultra processed food and not real food. And Mike Tyson saying that and that getting through so much that 60 Minutes had to rush out and get people on there to try to co op

[Steve Bannon]

that I want to go back for something. If you look at your verticals, sure, nobody, maybe only the defense industry, but there it's a different relationship. Bobby Kennedy and what Bobby Kennedy said. Because I am awestruck by what Bobby Kennedy has done in his first year as hhs. It's unbelievable.

[Joe Hoft]

And here's why.

[Steve Bannon]

And President Trump has had his back every step of the way. But if you look at big pharma and the big pharma and the big distribution companies, McKesson and the drugstores, if you look at the food processors, what they're doing with food processing, right? And if you look at what he's doing with like the agricultural component of this. So you got the food processors, you got big pharma, big ag and the big food processors. Folks, there ain't more money in D.C. the big tech bros, I think maybe, but you got this. These are immovable objects. Why are they immovable objects? Because they're embedded in, deep into the swamp. In D.C. they have lobbyists, lawyers, spots. They spread money into every congressional district. You're just not walking in there. So every dragon he's slaying is a massive dragon with a huge tail and 50 other dragons to back him up. That's why I'm awestrucking of the, of the momentum we've made in every of these three big verticals. And Bobby Kenny ain't afraid of any of them. Like I said the other day, having taken on big Ag and taken on big Pharma, he then goes after the big food companies with the ultra processed food, which is they ultra process it. Cause the margins, the margins are so high on candy and sodas, they're not high on. If you get great fun farm to table and you get the real food, the margins are relatively thin. The margins are huge when they process. And he's going right forward. So what stunned me, Tony, is he ain't backing off. He's going after the biggest of the big, the toughest, the most entrenched and he's not backing off an inch. And President Trump's got his back, in fact, on vaccines. I think President Trump's actually out ahead

[Tony Lyons]

of you guys 100%. I mean, President Trump is the most in line president with Maha principles of any president in the last generation. There's no question about that. And the things that activists disagree with. And let me just say I am 100% behind Maha moms. I want people to come out and yell and post on every social media platform. That's something that we couldn't do under President Biden. That was stifled. There was no dissent in this country. But now you can say whatever you want. And we need that disagreement, we need that dialogue. We need people to go out and tell the American public. And part of the success of the Maha green, you know, the Maha movement is all the disagreement that we have is that everybody in America knows what ultra processed foods are. Everybody in America knows now that there was mercury in the flu vaccine. Everybody knows, you know, that seed oils are bad for you, that beef tallow is better than cooking with other oils. There's been just incredible progress and it's been cultural progress. But we need all this disagreement. We need a vibrant argument to be made every day on social media between everybody. So there's no problem there. That's success, that's not failure.

[Steve Bannon]

By the way, you don't come. I mean, politically, you weren't one of us are close to being one of us. When President Trump came, you were somebody that always believed in free speech in the First Amendment and you saw the left was conforming to the system. And on the right you saw Trump as a disruptor and like war room. And these other people, the beginning of the dissonant moms were part of that. Who many of those people were either moderates or some of them were Democrats when this started and they said, no, these guys are taking on the system, they're trying to disrupt the system. I want to be part of that. And that's where you and that's where we see it today, is it not, Tony?

[Tony Lyons]

Well, you know, President Trump is more of an old time Democrat than any Democrat now. You know, he's pro free speech, he's anti censorship, you know, he's anti war. I mean, he is out there doing all the things that Democrats would have been for in the past. You know, he's an outsider challenging the status quo, challenging all of these big companies, but not doing it in some obvious way that he knows that he has to have practical common Sense ways to solve problems. And if you can't do that, then you're just yelling and screaming. You have to be able to solve problems. You have to realize this is politics. It's complicated. We're heading in the right direction. There's incredible progress being made. There's a lot that's gonna be made. We're just getting started. It's only one year. So these are. These are wins. All of these are wins. Even the disagreements, even the people yelling and screaming at each other. That's democracy in action. That's freedom. Freedom of speech, freedom of ideas. That's what we've all wanted and that's what we're getting now.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, I want to hold you through the break. We got about a minute. I just want to tee up Roundup because I think this caught people by surprise. One of the big efforts was about agriculture is the most important thing when we talk about health. A lot of the MAHA moms are the anti food processing, all of it. And then you had this executive order on Roundup. Can you put. Give me a minute. Put it in perspective. I'm gonna hold you through the break and we'll continue the conversation.

[Tony Lyons]

Sure. So no question glyphosate is bad. We all know that, every side. Democrats, Republicans, farmers, politicians, President Trump, Secretary Kennedy. I mean, Secretary Kennedy sued North Monsanto won one of the biggest judgments in history for that. But despite all these lawsuits and despite the widespread recognition that glyphosate is bad, we have a problem which is that we need to solve this practical situation where 80% of farmers rely on glyphosate now. So banning it outright doesn't work. So we need to look at new technologies. We need to fast track regulatory pathways. Look at, you know, next generation bio pesticides at, you know, Bobby Kennedy talks all about lasers. Maybe that's an answer. We need to have tax incentive.

[Steve Bannon]

We need to innovate.

[Tony Lyons]

That's how we're going to have progress.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, I want to hold you and just drill down on this a little bit more because some people are shocked about it, given the original stance of Make America Health. Again, Tony Lyons as well with us, we're going to get back to tariffs here in a moment. Horrific, horrific, historic day in the United States of America. From the Supreme Court of these United States. The world is getting more unstable and chaotic every day. It seems like everyone, everywhere you look, there's another crisis, another controversy, another conflict or just outright catastrophe. You can't control what happens out there, but you can control how you prepare for it you can make sure that no matter what happens, you have the basics covered in case one of these disasters reaches your doorstep. You know things like having enough food to eat when the shelves are empty. And when it comes to my family's food security, I trust my Patriot supply. They've helped millions of Americans get prepared and they have over 90,000 five star reviews right now. You can get their best selling 3 month emergency food supply kit for 100 bucks off. My Patriot supply almost never offers a deal like this. To take advantage of it, go to preparewithbannon.com that's all one word. Preparewithbannon.com this food kit gives you 2,000 calories a day, last up to 25 years. And and best of all, it's $100 off for a limited time. Go to preparewithbannon.com and get yours right now. That's preparewith bannon.com make sure you know all one word. Preparewith bannon.com Special deal, 100 bucks off. Do it today. War room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. I think now more than ever for your own personal financial security and also your community, your family, it's a good time to learn about gold and particularly in relation to the dollar, what it all means. The end of birchgold.com promo code Bannon the End of the Dollar Empire. You now have a hard copy of this. The first seven installments that we've put together over the last couple of years. We've been talking about this with Birch Gold since gold was about 1100 bucks is now around 5000. But it's not the price, it's the process, it's the pattern recognition. To understand why gold is a hedge in times of financial turbulence, when the Supreme Court tries to chop block President Trump but did give him a path. I'm a read from EJ Antoni here in a moment. Then bring in John Gardner. I think now more than ever, particularly with geopolitical risk. When I say geopolitical risk, that's a highfalutin term for war. So now more than ever, go to birchgold.com, promo code Bannon. Enter the dollar. I'm paying. Go online right now and get all seven free installments. Or if you make a qualifying purchase, you can get a free bound copy hardback copy, a patriots edition of the End of the Dollar Empire. Make sure you do it today and go check with Philip Patrick and the team. Let me read. Oh gosh, let me. Where's E.J. i had it right here. E.J. antonio. Okay. E.J. antonio, I'm gonna get Gardner up here in a second. EJ texts me. He's on Wall street heading back to D.C. president Trump has a half a dozen other tariff authorities he can use. They require more procedure than iipa, and so there are more hoops to jump through boxes to check. But that's only. There's no real substantive change. Few scholars are talking about Section 338, which is one of my favorite of the Tariff act of 1930, which gives the president wide sweeping authority to impose tariffs of up to 50%. Outright bans of certain imports entirely is virtually a blank check for the executive. The academics who came on TV who immediately weighed in saying tariffs were over and done, and they are dead wrong. Let me repeat that. The academics that jumped on TV today who immediately weighed in saying tariffs are over and done are dead wrong. All this really affects is the speed and flexibility of the president's ability to negotiate. Those aspects have been diminished slightly on the margin, but that's it. I tell you, Peter Navarro is going to come the show today, but they're already working on 301s and 232s, which we use substantially in the first administration. John Gardner, you kind of represent the small manufacturer. Remember, 12.8 million people in this country have jobs in manufacturing. 90% of those jobs are in manufacturing companies employing less than 50 people. And that's who John Gardner speaks for. What do you got for us, John?

[John Gardner]

The American people voted for the tariff man. And in November 2024, that's. We did not vote for income tax in 1930. We did not vote for the Federal Reserve to print a bunch of money in bailout banks. We did not vote to come off the gold standard. We did not vote to have our industries hollowed out. We voted for the tariff ban to protect us. And, you know, the next step here is president has a lot of tools, but we need to codify these tariffs in Congress so that Trump's legacy lives on after his administration and it isn't whittled down by the globalists again. And I think that the revenue aspect is different than the protection aspect. I encourage President Trump to get on the campaign trail to focus on the midterms and say, hey, with 600 to 700 billion dollars, I can replace income tax for 90% of American taxpayers. The total gross of income tax right now is 2.2 trillion. But 90% of Americans, the working class, the middle class, they pay 6,700 billion. You vote for my people in the midterms, I will commit to replacing income tax for 90% of Americans with 6,700 billion in tariff revenue. And let's codify this in Congress. And I think I hear Rand Paul saying, referring to tariffs as taxes. I say whatever your pronouns are on tariffs, fine. But what gives the American citizen more freedom? Funding the government with income tax or funding the government with tariffs, which I refer to as a toll to enter our market and be allowed to sell your product here. So I think there's a lot of exciting action going to be coming up here on terrorists. And I think I loved how President Trump came out hitting stronger, punching everybody back in the nose on this thing. Really lifted my spirits.

[Steve Bannon]

Because he believes in Hamilton's the American system. Take a minute like you did yesterday. A lot of people haven't heard this. I know we've worked together for a long time, but talk to people. What Hamilton. In fact, Scott Bessant. That's why I was so proud of real America's voice covering the entire Bessant speech. Besson in Dallas went back and talked about Hamilton, the first Secretary of the treasury, the American plan, and how this has really been core to the country from the beginning. Give me a minute on it, John.

[John Gardner]

This is how our nation was designed to function. This is how the founding Fathers, they intended the nation to pay its bills. And they say in the first legislative act, the Tariff act of 1789, they say to pay the bills of the federal government and to protect its manufacturers. It's the first line of the first bill the founding fathers passed. Alexander Hamilton knew that when you protect industry, industry will grow. And then Henry Clay came in with the American system after.

[Steve Bannon]

He froze. Okay, let's see if we can get him in unfreezing while John said that. I just want to make sure we head the day with Cameron Kinsey. President Trump's overall objective is to kind of reverse what they did with income tax back at the turn of the 20th century. However, a lot of people are going around and say President Trumps. My president said I don't want to pay income. No, that's not true. He's trying to build up a system that shows over time that tariff revenues can replace the 2.5 trillion of the 5.5 trillion that we take in. 2.5 trillion comes from the little guy, comes from you. The working class. The middle class Tax Network usa, they've got a new number because they do a free assessment for you. If you call them, if you go to tnusa.com say that you're part of the Warren Posse, you Get a free discovery call. This is amazing. Save you hundreds, if not thousands of dollars or. And since there was such an overwhelming folks coming to this, they've set up a new number to make it easier. 866-513-5516. You get a free discovery call. They will sit there and go through all your issues. And some people are saying, hey, President Trump's president, need to pay it. Au contraire. Our own Scott Besson now kind of oversees the irs, and President Trump's giving him a mandate. Anything that's owed's gotta be collected. They need the cash now. That's where it comes in the bid and the ask what the IRS thinks you owe and what you think you owe. And that's what the free discovery calls all about. So go check it today. Do we have John Gardner? Back up, John. Alexander Hamilton. In the American Plan, President Trump, if anything, is economically burned into the marrow of his soul, it is tariffs and protectionism protecting American industries, using as a forcing function to drive investment in high value added manufacturing back here and the revenues to make sure that people in the rest of the world are paying for what's going on here. Why is that called the American plan, sir?

[John Gardner]

Because that's how the founding fathers intended our nation to run. They didn't intend for the nation to be funded by income tax and making the citizen an indentured servant to the government. They didn't intend for American industry to make their defense parts overseas in communist China, our potential adversary. They did not intend for us to have our lose our human capital. People who know how to manufacture stuff to overseas nations, that's not what they intended. Alexander Hamilton and going on to Henry Clay and Abraham Lincoln saw the power of tariffs and we really built the nation up behind a tariff wall of 40 to 50%. President Trump's been pretty light on people, to be quite honest with you. Between 1824 and 1934, the average tariff rate was 40 to 50%. And that's how we funded our country and that's how we had these reserves of wealth that President Trump refers to where we didn't even know how to spend the money.

[Steve Bannon]

It's how we, during the, during the Industrial Revolution, competing with the British, it's how we built a manufacturing superpower, was, because of that, very straightforward. And Henry Clay, that's who really Lincoln looked up to. And Lincoln was, you know, was a Whig at the time before they, you know, they set up the Republican Party. But they were all for high terrorist protectionism and internal developments. John, we got A bolt. Where did they go? Get your writings. Now that you're in the middle of this terror fight, it's not gonna stop. The rhino, the neoliberal, neocon Rhinos, the far left who should be with us arguing this shows you how screwed up these Marxists are. Right? They cannot. The Marxist jihadists hate this country so much they will not consider looking out for the working men and women in the middle class in this country. John Gardner. Where do people go to get you?

[John Gardner]

JohnGardnerAuthor.com or John Gardner V O H at X getter and Instagram. And just grateful President Trump's protecting the middle class and that's who the Marxists are targeting, the middle class.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, sir. Appreciate you.

[John Gardner]

Thanks.

[Steve Bannon]

Know that the Peter Navarros and all the team over there working nonstop over the weekend get these things stood up, the 301s, the two 32s, and already President Trump said, hey, the 122 do 10% on it. Let's go. We got a very fascinating discussion on the curvy couch at Fox and friends with Ms. Duffy. Let's go ahead and hear it.

[Rachel Duffy]

So the President made a case for Operation Midnight Hammer, saying, we're going to do this operation and then we're not going to have to do anything else. Remember, there was a lot of brat bragging about that. And I think most people, even those who were skeptical about operation going in and doing that at the end were like, okay, I can deal with this because I don't want a greater war. I think that the President needs to make a better case as to why this is in American interest to potentially go into a kinetic war. I don't think the case has been made sufficiently for me. If you read the New York Times, I. There's a lot of people who also feel that way. If you're going to get us potentially into a war, you have to explain why it matters to us, not to other countries, but to us. And so by the way, you have Fetterman, a Democrat, a rare Democrat who agrees with the President. Here's what he said last night on Jesse.

[Steve Bannon]

Clearly I was the only Democrat last year. You know, like why, how could you allow Iran to acquire a nuclear bomb? Now, people have always said that, well, you know, he actually did something to actually prevent Iran from doing that. If they have 900 pounds of near weapons grade uranium, why wouldn't you strike that? Why wouldn't you hold them accountable that way? And now here we are again. And now we've demonstrate that's the only thing Iran ever responds to is strength and power and hit them. And if they want to hit him again, because I don't think you can't really trust and negotiate with them. You can't negotiate with cancer. You have to attack it and go right at it with superior force.

[Rachel Duffy]

About this I just want to mention, you know, I do feel sorry for the protesters. Again, it's not clear to me that doing this move, that potentially going to war is necessarily going to help the protesters. I'd like to think that would was true. Explain to me why. Explain to me why I should risk my military age boys potentially going into another war in the Middle East. I thought we were done with that.

[Steve Bannon]

There's seven presidents have had to deal with this. They've never been more vulnerable from taking our hostages at the Iran Contra scandal to the jcpoa. You have the President, Joe Biden actually releasing some of the sanctions, allowing that evil regime to sustain its own. They put a hit on our president multiple times. They said they're trying to kill Brian Hook, they're trying to kill John Bolton, they're trying to kill Mike Pompeo. And again he threatened assassination. And the ayatollah says, we're going to be sinking your ships and we're not interested in getting rid of a nuclear program. So if there's one menace in the Middle east that has been affecting America since 1979, it's been that country. Well, kill Mead. I happened to be there in 79 and 80. I couldn't disagree with you more. I think Rachel Dylan, Rachel Duffy, who is about as big a supporter of President Trump you get and tremendous common sense when she's sitting there just making says, hey, this thing is not it hasn't been sold, it hasn't been explained. And once you get with Kilman, you get the same old kind of, you know, oh, they're trying to go after Mike Pompeo. All this, this is an incredibly, incredibly serious. I know the President's weighing all options. There's one that's kind of leaked out, an incremental plan. Trista Parsi is going to join us. Break it down while he thinks that doesn't work. Short commercial break we'll be back in the warm in a moment. 26. Imagine having the world's most connected financial insider feeding you vital information, the kind of information only a handful of people have access to, and that could create a fortune for those who know what to do with it. That's exactly what you get when you join our frequent guest and contributor, Jim Rickards in his elite research service, Strategic Intelligence, Inside Strategic Intelligence. You'll hear directly from Jim and receive critical updates on major financial and political events before they hit the mainstream news. He'll put you in front of the story and tell you exactly what moves to make for your best chance to profit as a proud American. You do not want to be caught off guard. Sign up for Strategic Intelligence right now at your our exclusive website. That's Rickards War Room.com Rickards War Room.com you go there, you get strategic intelligence based upon predictive analytics. Do it today, right now. Rickards war room.com here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Okay, Trina Parsey joins us from Responsible Statecraft. If we had foundation for democracies on one side, we probably have Trita on the other. Even farther over than Kurt Mills. Look, having been there and been around the region, I am all for if the Persian people and taking their hands and take down the ayatollah and the mullahs go for it, you put them in power 47 years ago, you get full right to take them out of power. Scott Besant, the president, I'm all for the economic warfare, taking down the currency. I'm a big advocate. We should have done a long time ago on the oil going out of the Straits of Hormuz to the Chinese Communist Party. But I'm still pretty opposed to. I just don't see the benefit of regime change. Bombing, I just think is gonna get us into a mess that we don't need to be in. But Rachel Duffy, Trita, when she said that today, I think in perfect common sense and from her heart. Tell me how Twitter, how's Twitter reacted to Rachel Duffy today?

[Trita Parsi]

I mean, they've gone after her hard simply for asking questions. I mean, she wasn't even making a strong case. She was just asking the question of explain this better to me because it does not make sense. This was supposed to be done with. Trump himself said that this was one and done and that this is over with. Then Netanyahu comes again on December 29 and talks to Trump and convinces him or pushes him to go in this direction. And now we are here again. The biggest mobilization of troops since the invasion of Iraq. We're on the brink of war that no one has been able to explain. How does this actually serve US Interests? And by the way, Rachel is absolutely right because the latest polls show only 18% of the American public supports war with Iran. Amongst Republicans, it's 35%, but 53% oppose it. And I'm pretty sure that those 35% are probably the Fox News watchers. But we're talking about a situation in which only 18% of the population as

[Harry]

a whole

[Trita Parsi]

in comparison when Bush went into Iraq in 2003, which was a huge mistake, he had 79% of the population behind him and it still ended up destroying his.

[Steve Bannon]

This is the thing about the process. Matt Boyle's on here last week with a poll that they had not commissioned but were using. I think they had 60% of Republicans were enthusiastic or supported it, but they asked the following question. What happens after the first casualty? I think it went down to 16%. When people realize this is going to be an effort because it's a country and 90 million, it's massive, it's very difficult to get to. But I want to go, I got a couple of minutes. I want to go to something that I want make sure that people understand there's been leaked or romped a flagpole that President Trump potentially in a range of alternatives, cuz he's still negotiating, but he's got an alternative that they could be incremental hits. He would do a hit and see how that played out and then do another hit and see if that could nudge the Ayatollah Mullahs to come along in his negotiation. And I was quite impressed with your counter to that. I just wanna make sure the American people and the War On Posse have the information. Walk me through what President Trump is allegedly thinking about and what is your response that how you think the regime's gonna react.

[Trita Parsi]

So what has been leaked by the Wall Street Journal is that Trump's plan is that he's gonna do a limited strike and then see if the Iranians will essentially cave at the negotiating table. And if they do not, then he'll do more and he'll do more and he'll do more. And it can go on for weeks and months until they either cave at the negotiating table or you have that type of regime change. Now here's why I think that is not likely to work out the way whoever in the White House has been putting this plan together. First of all, at the negotiating table right now, at least what I've heard and what has come out, there really isn't much of an attractive offer. Essentially saying give up your entire nuclear program. The only thing we're promising you is that we won't bomb you and that we won't add any new sanctions. But all of the existing sanctions are going to remain in place. Now the existing sanctions are so suffocating for the Iranians that they're not going to give up their nuclear leverage. The thing that gets Trump to come back to them all the time, only to make sure that they don't get any new ones, because if they only have the current ones in place, you're going to see a slow decay of that economy in a way that is intolerable for them. So they're not going to give that up. And also they think that once they agree to that, Netanyahu is going to come back to the White House and he's going to say, well, what about the missiles? And then there's going to be another threat of war, saying, well, now you have to give up the missiles. And by the time they give up all of those things, their belief, and I think they're right in this. Once Iran has no deterrence against Israel, that's when Israel actually starts the war, when Iran is completely defenseless, that's when the Israelis actually will go in and bomb even further. So the whole path of giving in on these things are so unattractive in their view, because it leads to the worst case scenario. And as a result, if Trump chooses to do this limited strike, and he will do limited precisely because he doesn't want to have a large war, but the calculation on the Iranian side is that a limited strike nevertheless brings about a larger defeat for them. So their only chance is actually to strike back, however bad that chance is. And clearly it's not good for them because they're nothing compared to the United States militarily in the larger picture. But there's one thing they can do. They can try to destroy Trump's presidency before they lose the war. They close the Strait of Hormuz, they go after oil installations in the region, they shoot up oil prices, they shoot up inflation in the United States, all things that will have a profound impact on the midterms.

[Steve Bannon]

Could you hang on for a second? We're going to actually go to Australia live for the next hour. I want you to stick around. I want to finish this conversation on the other side in the six o' clock show. Just stick right there because I think we ought to have your best thinking about this. Mike Lindell, brother, I know you're busy running for governor of Minnesota and you got forced Amy Klobuchar in the race Right now, though, the war of Posse is interested in one thing late on a Friday afternoon, and that is, what deals do you have for him, sir?

[Mike Lindell]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Mike Lindell]

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[Steve Bannon]

Okay, brother, we'll see you tomorrow morning. Thank you. Mike Lindell taking a break there and his run for governor to give us deals. Okay, War Room Texas. We're not going to do War Room Texas. We'll be back on Monday. We're going to do our international show. We do every Friday except from instead of Ben Harnwell in Rome, it'll be Steve Bannon in Texas with Ben Harnwell and Dr. Bradley Thayer in Australia. Take Stick Around. Warren continues. If you could make one holiday wish, would you wish to be free from your credit card and other debt? Let's see if we can help you with that. If we could give yourself one gift this holiday season, would it be finally to get some relief from your credit card and other debt? I might have a solution. Here's why. Now's the time to make a move. This time of year, credit card and loan companies close out their books. They clean up past due accounts. They sell or write off the debt to clear their books. That means if you have credit card debt and unpaid bills, lenders may be more open to negotiating and settling your account before you're in. That means right now, and I mean, right now you may actually have leverage. And Done With Debt knows how to use this to your advantage. They monitor lender trends and understand the year end pressure on creditors. They use that timing to negotiate hard on your behalf. Now's the time to get out from under crushing debt and interest payments without bankruptcy or taking on new loans. Done With Debt goes to work for you Month one with one clear goal to reduce your total debt and leave you with more money every month. Get started now because your leverage may disappear at the end of the year. Chat with a Done with debt [e-mail] that's donewithdebt.com donewithdet.com do it today.