Episode 5165: Georgia Is Still The Railhead Of 2026; What Is JP Morgan Planning Against Trump

Summary

Bannon’s War Room – Episode 5165

Georgia Is Still The Railhead Of 2026; What Is JP Morgan Planning Against Trump
Host: Stephen K. Bannon (WarRoom.org)
Date: February 24, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on two major themes:

1. The ongoing significance of Georgia as the political "railhead" leading into 2026, particularly regarding election integrity battles and legal maneuvers tied to the 2020 election controversies.
2. The role of major financial and legal institutions—most notably JP Morgan and the law firm Jones Day—in actions against Donald Trump, highlighting conflicts of interest and the consequences for conservative legal professionals post-Trump administration.

The episode features pointed discussions with Cleta Mitchell (election lawyer/activist) and Mike Davis (legal analyst), interspersed with commentary on opposition from both Democrats and establishment Republicans, the challenges facing Trump’s supporters in legal and governmental circles, and sharp criticism of figures seen as betraying the MAGA movement.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Future of the Republican Party and the Persistence of MAGA

• Pat McCrory’s Interview:

  • McCrory reflects on "populism" in the GOP, distinguishing between past movements and the unique, personality-driven era of Trump.
  • Expresses discomfort with “MAGA” as a slogan and with name-calling and immaturity on both sides.
    • [00:06] "I never wore a MAGA hat because I never know what it meant. ...This name calling and immaturity on both sides of the aisle, it's just got to end. We've got to get back to statesmen-like behavior…" – Pat McCrory

• Bannon's Response:

  • Strongly rebuts McCrory, highlighting his failure to win re-election as governor despite Trump’s success in the state.
  • Insists there will be no "post-Trump" GOP, emphasizing the enduring populist/nationalist movement.
    • [14:46] "Let me be blunt, brother. You are a bald-faced liar... Pat McCrory lost the governorship because he's so feckless and hapless and did not embrace President Trump." – Steve Bannon

• Election Integrity and Political Will:

  • Repeated references to Georgia as the battleground for resolving 2020 election disputes and “getting to the bottom of the 2020 steal.”
  • Emphasis on the need for tenacious legal arguments and the challenge of assembling committed legal teams, with criticism of both Democratic resistance and lackluster Republican resolve.

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The State of the Union & Democratic Resistance

• Democratic Boycotts and Counter-Speech:

  • Democrats plan a press event parallel to Trump’s State of the Union address, with some boycotting the speech entirely.
  • Hostile language aimed at Trump, calling him unqualified and a unique threat to constitutional norms.
    • [04:15] "We will prebut, rebut and rebut again his State of the Union remarks... My crowd size is bigger than your crowd size." – Democratic Representative
    • [07:22] "We're dealing with a fool, a clown who's brought the rest of the circus into the White House." – Democratic Commentator

• Bannon’s Take on Political Climate:

  • Describes Democratic actions as part of the “primal scream of a dying regime,” fueling political division and inciting violence against Trump.
  • Cites multiple assassination attempts attributed to the hostile media and political rhetoric.
    • [10:27] "This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people..." – Steve Bannon
    • [12:32] "Only by the grace of divine providence is he still alive and with us..." – Steve Bannon

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Legal Front: JP Morgan, Jones Day, and Legal Retaliation Against Trump

• Debanking and Lawsuit:

  • JP Morgan allegedly "debanked" Trump immediately after he left office, prompting a $5 billion lawsuit.
  • Bannon and Mike Davis highlight the unprecedented nature of a former president being financially targeted by an American institution.

• Conflict of Interest at Jones Day:

  • Jones Day—a law firm closely tied to Trump’s first term—is representing JP Morgan against Trump, raising profound ethical concerns.
  • According to Davis, this likely violates American Bar Association conflict-of-interest rules.
    • [21:19] "My jaw dropped. I couldn't believe that Jones Day was going to be adverse to Donald Trump in any litigation matter..." – Mike Davis
    • [24:45] "This just looks really bad for Jones Day. Even if there's not a technical violation, and that is very... fact specific, it just looks bad. And the other problem is you have confidential information..." – Mike Davis

• Chilling Effect on Legal Recruitment:

  • Bannon and Davis discuss the chilling effect major law firms have placed on lawyers considering service in Trump's second term—warning it will jeopardize their careers in 'big law.'
    • [26:54] "The Jones Days of the world have put the word out that if you work in Trump’s second term and particularly work in main justice... your career and big law, big conservative law is over." – Steve Bannon
    • [26:54] "Frankly, if you have so-called Republican or conservative attorneys who don't want to go serve because of that reason, then I don't want them to serve anyway because they're cowards..." – Mike Davis

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Georgia: Legal Battles, DOJ, and Election Integrity

• Disagreement on Main Barrier:

  • Bannon's View: The slow pace in Georgia is due to lack of legal talent—top candidates are dissuaded from serving in Trump's DOJ.
  • Cleta Mitchell’s Rebuttal: The problem is lack of will, not talent—the existing lawyers are not making the aggressive arguments needed.
    • [36:13] "I am disagreeing with that. What I am saying is that they're not making the arguments they need to be making... I worry they don't have the will. What have they done to Ed Martin? Where's Ed Martin? He's a fighter... there's so much that they could have done." – Cleta Mitchell

• Status of Georgia Trial:

  • DOJ’s recent filings in a key Georgia election case are commended by Mitchell.
  • Expresses lingering doubts about Fulton County judges and the unpredictable legal environment in Georgia.
    • [39:38] "They brought in lawyers... they've had some people who are not even in the criminal division, but who stepped in to help them... I've been reading these cases... in Fulton County, Georgia, for five years, and I can just tell you that there's something in the water down there. You just never know with these judges." – Cleta Mitchell

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Senate Maneuvering & Save America Act

• Senate Procedural Tactics:

  • Mitchell details efforts to push the Save America Act—focused on stronger voter ID and election integrity—through Senate procedural strategies, and exposes Republican reluctance to use the filibuster/talking filibuster against Democrats.

• Pressure on John Thune:

  • 80 conservative organizations signed a letter to Sen. Thune urging the GOP to enforce a talking filibuster and not let Senate “insider games” kill the bill.
    • [49:07] "We want all of our Republican senators to know that just saying they're going to vote for the bill, that's huge and we appreciate it. But now we want them to make the Democrats actually engage in the talking filibuster..." – Cleta Mitchell

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Is the pre-Trump Republican Party gone, never to be revived?" – Cleta Mitchell [00:00]
• "We've got to get back to statesman-like behavior and I'm scared to death at the tomorrow night, Tuesday night... everything that goes against my instincts of why I got into public service..." – Pat McCrory [00:22]
• "If you create the capacity, the tendency to denounce elections simply because you don't like the result, no American president's done that..." – Political Analyst on Trump’s post-2020 actions [06:07]
• "This is a crisis of choice. We're on the cusp of a war of choice. History suggests to be really, really careful." – Military Analyst on Middle East tensions [08:13]
• "They tried to bankrupt him before they tried to imprison him, before they tried to assassinate him, if you notice the scale that goes up." – Steve Bannon [16:33]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Party Identity & Populism: [00:00 – 00:50]
• Middle East Policy & Risks: [01:28 – 08:12]
• Democratic Rebuttals, Trump as ‘threat’: [03:53 – 07:22]
• Legal Battles & JP Morgan Lawsuit: [16:22 – 26:54]
• Jones Day/Big Law Chilling Effect: [26:54 – 29:44]
• Georgia Election Legal Update: [33:50 – 41:40]
• Save America Act & Senate Politics: [42:06 – 49:07]
• Pat McCrory & GOP Civil War: [50:22 – 52:18]

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Additional Context & Tone

• Tone Throughout:

  • Combative, urgent, and deeply skeptical toward both establishment Republicans and Democrats.
  • Emotional calls for loyalty, unity, and resilience within the MAGA/populist ranks.

• Language:

  • Pulls no punches (e.g., “bald-faced liar,” “primal scream of a dying regime,” “cowards”).
  • Frequent use of in-group language (“the regime,” “deep state,” “the people,” “MAGA media”).

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Useful for Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is a must-listen for those tracking the election integrity fight in Georgia, the evolving financial/legal war against Trump by elite institutions, and the ongoing battles inside the GOP. The competing strategies, open feuds, and legislative maneuvers are all laid bare—with tactical advice for political action and insider knowledge about Washington power-plays.

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Featured Guests

• Cleta Mitchell: Election lawyer, founder of Election Integrity Network; advocates for aggressive legal tactics on election law, criticizes lack of will in the Justice Department.
• Mike Davis: Legal analyst, former staff for Justice Gorsuch, criticizes Jones Day and the legal establishment’s actions against Trump.
• Pat McCrory (clip): Former North Carolina Governor, criticized for lack of loyalty to MAGA.
• Assorted Democratic voices: Providing context for opposition to Trump’s second term and Democratic strategy.

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For in-depth understanding of the strategic fights defining GOP politics, legal power struggles, and the persistent MAGA movement as Trump’s second term unfolds, this episode’s rapid-fire discussion offers both critical warnings and tactical insights.

Transcript

[Cleta Mitchell]

Is the pre Trump Republican Party gone

[Narrator/News Reporter]

never to be revived?

[Cleta Mitchell]

Governor

[Pat McCrory]

No, I think we've had these streaks of populism never to this example over personality. But this is a populist movement and maybe there's a reason for the populist movement because the left went too far left and some of its rhetoric and there's pushback against it. But you know, when I was on the campaign trail as governor with President elect Trump or the candidate Trump, I never wore a MAGA hat because I never know what it meant. I don't listen. When I was governor, mayor, I never let anybody use slogans around me because I think slogans don't say anything. And we still use the term MAGA without understanding what it is. Just like I was suddenly called a rhino. And I still don't know what a rhino is. But it's the terms flung out there so easily and this name calling and immaturity on both sides of the aisle. It's just got to end. We've got to get back to statesmen like behavior and I'm scared to death at the tomorrow night, Tuesday night on both what's going to be said at the podium and what the reaction is going to be because it's everything that goes against my instincts of why I got into public service first as a city council member who had to deal with snowstorms as a mayor. And we need to get people who can work together during crisis, whether it be a riot or a snowstorm or a foreign policy issue which we're having right now.

[Narrator/News Reporter]

On the Middle east, according to the Wall Street Journal, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Dan Kaine and other Pentagon officials have been warning of the consequences should the United States decide to carry out either strikes or an extended military campaign in Iran, officials told the Journal. All options carry risks, but a prolonged campaign in particular could incur significant costs to U.S. forces and munitions stockpiles, complicating the protection of regional partners if Iran is able to retaliate. President Trump posted a lengthy message to social media denying that General Kaine had raised any concern, saying everything that has been written about a potential war with Iran has been written incorrectly. He goes on to say he would, quote, rather have a deal than not with Iran.

[Cleta Mitchell]

News is now reporting that the office

[Stephen K. Bannon]

of Jeanine Pirro, the U.S. attorney for

[Cleta Mitchell]

the District of Columbia, has decided to

[Narrator/News Reporter]

stop pursuing the case against those six Democratic lawmakers who urged members of the military to not comply with unlawful orders. That's according to three people familiar with the matter. The News comes roughly two weeks after a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C. unanimously rejected an attempt by Pirro to indict the lawmakers over that video.

[Democratic Representative]

This is not a moment for Democrats to be good little boys and good little girls and sit there on the House floor and fold their hands over and be nice and quiet and listen to the president. We keep hearing, you know, let the president have his opportunity to speak freely. The man who is torching the first 10amendments to the United States Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the man who is trying to suppress our freedom of speech, supposed to sit there and respect his opportunity to speak to us.

[Democratic Commentator]

No.

[Democratic Representative]

So we decided to host this event to speak before Donald Trump, to speak during Donald Trump, to speak after Donald Trump. We will prebut, rebut and rebut again his State of the Union remarks. And guess what? I've got news for Donald Trump. With how many Democrats I am seeing on these phone messages are defecting from the chamber, I am now confident at the National Press club@the defiance.org event, we will have more people at that rebuttal than Donald Trump will have in front of him on the House floor. Guess what, Donald Trump, My crowd size is bigger than your crowd size.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

That's.

[Cleta Mitchell]

At that time you warned that President Trump was a unique threat to constitutional government. You also said that you hoped you would be proven wrong.

[Political Analyst]

Absolutely.

[Cleta Mitchell]

Thirteen months into Donald Trump's second term as president, how do you reflect on that sentiment?

[Political Analyst]

I haven't been proven completely wrong, but we're still here. And so I'm delighted.

[Cleta Mitchell]

Is he still a unique threat to Constitution?

[Political Analyst]

Absolutely, he is. Because what you saw, I thought in 2016-2020 that he was a difference of degree, but not kind. He was, you know, you could recognize what he was doing, not the tone and the behavior. That's totally unique and what was then. But basically you could sort of put it on an American spectrum what he was doing. Then comes the unfolding January 6, the attempt to undermine the election. And that's a unique virus in the American body politic. And if you create the capacity, the tendency to denounce elections simply because you don't like the result, no American president's done that. Andrew Jackson didn't do it in 1824. Richard Nixon didn't do it in 1960. Hubert Humphrey didn't do it in 1968. Al Gore didn't do it in 2000. Secretary Clinton didn't do it in 2016. But in 2020, we had an American president who, because he didn't like what the system produced, decided to sow distrust in the system. And that continues to be something that I think we're going to be dealing with. I hope we don't in the midterm, but I think it's something to watch carefully.

[Democratic Commentator]

State of lunacy. This should never be happening in this country. This guy should never, never even have been. Have been allowed to run for president. He's in unqualified, period. We all know that. So we're dealing with a. With a fool, a clown who's brought the rest of the circus into the White House. So we're dealing with it.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Available.

[Military Analyst]

We got a big problem here. We've amassed an enormous armada in the region, except we've got an armada in search of a strategy. What is this about? Are we trying to bring about regime change? Really demanding, as General Kaine essentially has pointed out. Is it to go after their ballistic missile inventory, which the Israelis want to go after? The nuclear capabilities? Well, I thought those were obliterated. And those seem to be getting negotiated to go after the proxies. They don't offer a good target. So we've got a real disconnect between our means and our ends. Congress isn't holding hearings about it, the President's not explaining it, and here we are. This is a crisis of choice. We're on the cusp of a war of choice. History suggests to be really, really careful. That's what people ought to be thinking here.

[Pat McCrory]

What gives you hope when you see a moment like tomorrow night and what comes after that as we begin the election? Cyc. The control of our House and our

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Senate, the Congress starting next Tuesday night when primaries begin. Yes.

[Democratic Commentator]

I don't use the word hope anymore. There is no hope. I hope with Mullen, I hope with this, I hope voting, I hope with that.

[Cleta Mitchell]

We're.

[Democratic Commentator]

We're done with hope. It's about getting rid of this idiot, period. And we all know what it is. Getting rid of him. And the independents or whoever, whatever, voters realize that this is not their guy.

[Narrator/News Reporter]

Hello.

[Democratic Commentator]

Finally you realize that because the guy's the biggest con artist ever. That there's ever. I mean, this is a joke that we're even talking about him. He should have been out of the

[Stephen K. Bannon]

running

[Democratic Commentator]

one, you know, years ago, and thanks to Mitch McConnell, who saved him in the second impeachment. You know, it's. It's a joke. And Mitch McConnell will have to live with that for the rest of his life, knowing how he allowed this fool to actually try to maybe topple our government. And we I don't, I don't want to use the word hope because it can't be hope. We will vanquish, we will get rid of this guy. But it's, it's, it's, it's mind boggling.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it.

[Advertiser/Host]

I know you don't like hearing that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

[Cleta Mitchell]

MAGA media I wish in my soul,

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and

[Advertiser/Host]

what is my purpose?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. It's Tuesday the 24th of February, the year of our Lord 2026. It is the State of the Union. President Trump's first State of the Union in his second term. All day coverage here in real America's Voice. So when I say all day coverage through and run up to it, then the coverage during the actual State of the Union itself and then analysis afterwards and tomorrow because this is President Trump's one shot to actually address the nation, right? He may do specials from the as occasion arises on topics of interest from the Oval or other places, but this is where the whole nation and there should be a pretty, a pretty big audience of this. The Democrats already losing their minds. They're having counter and we're going to be covering some of that. Seven o', clock, I think they're at the National Press Club. They're also going to be in the mall. They've completely lost it. Totally unhinged. You saw Robert De Niro. This is the reason there's been three assassination attempts. Three assassination attempts we actually know of. There's others that have been thwarted earlier, but three that have actually got to the place of actually taking action. And all three of those President Trump

[Advertiser/Host]

shot in one of them.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Only by the grace of divine providence is he still alive and with us almost shot at the golf club and then very confusing. I don't know how this whole excuse that the employee gate was open. They slipped in. It's not the north entrance because I didn't even know there was a north entrance because of this hate put on by not just the media, but the entertainment industry, the cultural, sports, all of it, just completely unloading on President Trump every day, not a political discussion, but that he's a danger to the nation and must be taken out. Cleta Mitchell is going to join me. We're going to take a short commercial break here. I want to thank my excellent team here at the war room and of course, the RAV team in Denver for putting that together, these cold opens because I get it from the engine room and others. I know during the cold opens, your heads are blowing up as they're supposed to because in the information war, you see what we're up against every day, daily. When we come back, Cleta is from the great state of North Carolina and we're going to talk. She's here to talk about a letter they sent to John Thune on the Save America act, also her work in Georgia as we have this huge hearing on Friday and we must, must, must get to the bottom of the 2020 steal. And we're going to do it in Georgia. But also I'm going to talk about the opening clip you saw there from Pat McCrory, the former governor of the Tar Heel State. Let me be blunt, brother. You are a bald face liar, a bald faced liar. President Trump, with the help of Mark Meadows and other great folks down there in 2016, we pulled north Carolina out, I think by a point, point and a half. That was a state I was most concerned about as running the campaign. The Carolinians stood up, North Carolinians stood up and we won. And Pat McCrory lost the governorship because he's so feckless and hapless and did not embrace President Trump. And then he came around and begged on his knees, begged for a job. He's got the gall to sit there and talk about populism and President Trump. And this is on msnbc. Bruce Springsteen, just to top it off, in the A block, Bruce Spring is

[Advertiser/Host]

going to take you out, Cleta Mitchell,

[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Advertiser/Host]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay, I'm a, I want to take our time with this North Carolina and the Cleta situation. And so Cleta is going to join us in a second. Just hang on.

[Advertiser/Host]

And the reason is I want to

[Stephen K. Bannon]

slip Mike Davis in here because I want to lay the predicate when you hear the State of the Union tonight, we're going to show you the hyena Democrats. We're going to show you there they're going to be the National Press club, I think 25 senators or something not showing up and a bunch of CR and in the, in the room itself, they're going to be hooting in Holland trying to shout him down. But the, the biggest problem is, is like Caesar and Rome, it's the, it's the people around, it's the people around him and the, these rhino Republicans like the McCrorys. Mike Davis is here. Mike, you got to help me out here. I, I don't understand this and this is a huge deal because it happened to me. But that's not why it's a huge deal. It happened to so many, but particularly the president United States. So the president United States people have to understand, go back to what Meacham said, what Meacham said in the cold open and maybe I play that again with Hoover. Their term of art now is the unfolding J6. The unfolding J6. And what they mean by that is everything Cleta Mitchell and the team are doing in Georgia, what the team in Maricopa county is doing, what the team in Pennsylvania is doing to show that the 2020 election could not be certified impossible to be certified and therefore gotten kicked to the House of Representatives. And Donald Trump would have been reelected president now through divine providence, we all know that it was better that we had those years in the wilderness to kind of build up the forces, both the precinct strategy on one hand and all the think tanks and CRA and all that on the other, and that the Mike Davis is of the world. And all these people who were kind of unknown in the first term could kind of rise to become major elite, huge leaders of this party. Now what is happening is they're already having a fight to try to divide up the carcass. Post Trump. There ain't gonna be any post Trump. They're not gonna be any post Trump. And so they're doing this nonstop. One of the things they're doing is that Mike Davis, you gotta help me out here. President Trump was debanked. Now you're talking guy a billionaire with financial obligations on his private business that he hadn't touched in four years as president. Okay? He's got loans everywhere, he's highly leveraged. Why? Because he's a real estate guy. The real estate business is predicated upon leverage. That's why President Trump feels pretty comfortable with the leverage we have now and negotiating tariff deals, et cetera. Cuz he understands how to use leverage. JP Morgan debanked him immediately. And so he sued him for $5 billion of harm and charges. And I should also note, JP Morgan has lied about this consistently for years and years and years. Jamie Dimon and that lovely crowd over there at JP Morgan. So President Trump sued him. And so it's shocking enough that a major financial institution would debank a President Mike Davis a week after he left the White House. This is how they try to kill Trump. This is how they try to smother Trump in January 2021. And the folks in this audience that were there understood how we had to have his back to return because they tried to bankrupt him before they tried to imprison him, before they tried to assassinate him, if you notice the scale that goes up. But Mike Davis, in this entire thing, the central law firm, and Davis knows this is better than anybody because Davis was working on the confirmations, the confirmations at the Supreme Court. Mike Davis was behind the scenes working for Grassley. Mike Davis was the number one guy for these confirmations and particularly then went to work for Gorsuch, but particularly for Kavanaugh, which hung by a thread. There was a meeting that hung by a thread. And Mike Davis and Bill and these guys dug in hard. And ladies and gentlemen, that's how you got the opinion, the minority opinion that laid out the roadmap for tariffs that you will hear tonight in the State of the Union. If Kavanaugh gotten approved, you were not gonna get that. So Mike Davis, the law firm of Jones day, which Don McGahn was the White House counsel, Jones Day was essentially the law firm for the first Trump term. No, Francisco, correct me if I'm wrong. He's Solicitor General. You've got. Don McGahn is the White House counsel, which outside the Attorney General's the most powerful thing. I think he got, I don't know. 20 Jones Day partners in the administration. They're representing JP Morgan. Please tell me in modern America how this works, how a law firm, that was your law firm and had all these government, from Solicitor General to the White House counsel, is taking the side of JP Morgan to oppose President Trump's suit. Like, in what world does that work, sir?

[Mike Davis]

You know, I've been around Washington for a long time time, Steve, and I don't get shocked by anything. This, this one shocked me. My jaw dropped. I couldn't believe that Jones Day was going to be adverse to Donald Trump in any litigation matter, particularly on a litigation matter involving welfare against President Trump where JP Morgan tried to debunk him. Now, if you go look at the ABA Model Rules, Model Rule 1.9A, it says a lawyer who has formally represented a client in a matter shall not thereafter represent another client in the same or substantially related matter in which that person's interests are materially adverse to the interest of the former client unless the former client gives informed consent confirmed in writing. I doubt President Trump would give informed consent to have Jones Day be adverse to him in the JP Morgan case. Maybe there was some sort of waiver in a prior legal representation. I just doubt it. And I guess the issue is when you're using, if you're representing President Trump as a law firm and you know his mindset, you know where his strengths and weaknesses are, you know how far he, he'll push or get pushed on negotiations, and you have his confidential information. You're on a very dangerous, treacherous path as a law firm if you are taking finance adverse to that. That clients. And so I would say to Jones Day this, you have plenty of clients, you have plenty of business. You may want to step back and think about this one to make sure that you're not even close to crossing that ethical line. I like Don McGahn a lot. I don't think Don's involved on this particular matter. I've heard that Noel Francisco maybe on this matter. Remember, Noel Francisco was President Trump's Solicitor General of the United States.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Unbelievable.

[Mike Davis]

I mean, it's. Even if there's not a technical violation of Rule 1.9, this is idiotic on Jones Day's part to do that.

[Advertiser/Host]

Hang on.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Noel Francisco, which, who I think did an incredible And I'm not a lawyer, but I thought he did an incredible job as Solicitor General. If you look at Conway, Kellyanne Conway's husband, the guy that's so nuts and such a Trump hater, that says I was a Trump supporter, he's now running for Congress. Thanks for jury nettles thing. One of the true haters. He wanted to be Solicitor General and somebody made the case. Hey, look, dude, I don't think you've ever are. You're an M and a lawyer. You've never argued in court. We need somebody. They picked Francisco because he was so good. In what universe can Noel Francisco actually be listed on the team, be listed on the JP Morgan team? He was his Solicitor General. Nobody knows more of the thinking of President Trump and kind of the negotiating style of President Trump and his mindset than a Solicitor general, does it?

[Mike Davis]

Yeah. I mean, this just looked really bad for Jones Day. Again, even if there's not a technical violation, and that is, that is very, very, very fact specific, it just looks bad. And the other problem is you have confidential information. So if they're using President Trump's confidential information that Jones Day obtained when President Trump was a client, you have problems not Only under Rule 1.9, you have a problem under Rule 1.6 and under Rule 1.10, that conflict, if Jones Day has a conflict, it's imputed to every lawyer in the law firm. And so you're. I don't think you're going to be able to put up a Chinese wall in the law firm without President Trump's consent.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

His White House counsel, which folks should understand. The White House counsel is involved in everything. It's one of the most like OW director. It's one of those jobs a lot of people don't know, but it represents the office of the presidency, not an individual office of President McGahn knows everything. And look, I like Don McGahn a lot and he gets crushed with a lot of things, but he did so much good work on the campaign and then in the early years. But, Mike, I want to pivot. I want to. Let's talk about. And I'd like to hold you through if we have to. Just a second break. We have to talk about a very dark secret that's the reality in this town, you see. And Cletus is going to be on here in a second. We were very concerned about this hearing or this trial in Georgia on Friday. It was not staffed properly and it turns out they put some heavy guns over doj. But Judge Deneen there's all these things. Judge Deneen can't go forward with the six traitors because it's because of staffing. We don't have enough bodies in main justice. We only got 14 or 15 of the U.S. attorneys. You know, you're working every day to come up with names of people that can go. And the reason is the Joan Day. The Jones Days of the world have put the word out that if you work in Trump's second term and particularly work in Maine, just a U.S. attorney, your career and big law, big conservative law is over. Sir, am I incorrect on that?

[Mike Davis]

Well, I don't know if Jones Day specifically has said that, but that certainly what the word going around to these attorneys. But you know, frankly, if you have so called Republican or conservative attorneys who don't want to go serve because of that reason, then I don't want them to serve anyway because they're cowards and they're going to cuck out like these so called Republican attorneys always do when it becomes heated. You want people who are bold and fearless in these jobs. You want the Amel Bovees in these jobs and not the no Franciscos.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Mike, we'll let you bounce. I know you're busy. We're article three. You're always coming in hot social media, particularly late at night, maybe after Mike's had an adult beverage or two. Where do they go?

[Mike Davis]

Sir, it's article three project.org article number three project.org and I don't drink and drive and I don't drink and tweet.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay, what's the Twitter, what's the Twitter feed?

[Mike Davis]

Oh, it's mrddmia, MRD D M I A And thank you, Steve.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Thank you sir for making that clear. We're going to talk to Cleta about the same topic and others including Georgia and John Thune. Next in the war room.

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Do it today. War room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. Okay, let me make sure nomenclature because maybe we're talking too much inside Washington baseball, but this is important for this audience to understand. Jones Day is a massive international law firm. It's traditionally had a more of a conservative Bentley. So it's Jones Day just like Minette Phelps on the west coast or Wachtel Lipton on Wall street, the big M and A firm or Kirkland Ellis out in Chicago, which is kind of Obama's, was the Obama's, Obama's law firm. So Jones Day was essentially Cleta Mitchell bringing in here. Jones Day was basically the law firm. And this happens in a lot of administrations where you've got a kind of a lead law firm and a bunch of partners or people that want to be partners come into the government in these roles. White House Counsel is one. It's like director of omb. These are the jobs that may not have be super high visibility, but they are some of the most important jobs in the government. Solicitor General over in Main justice, the two super important, that is the office of Legal Counsel which writes the fairness opinions on all the executive orders to make sure the executive orders are constitutional will stand up against Supreme Court scrutiny. This is why and what they call the travel ban that Miller and I worked through. And President Trump knew, he says hey, this thing's gonna withstand the Supreme Court. We had an Office of Legal Counsel opinion and guess what? Hello. Besides what the media lighting their hair and fire it withstood it cuz Office of Legal Counsel did it. Solicitor General represents the government at the Supreme Court and is the trial lawyer that basically makes the case. John Sauer, who I think John did a very good job and I think that's the opinion that Kavanaugh gave us the roadmap to how to really take and give Trump, President Trump amazing powers and confirm those powers on tariffs. John Sauer from Missouri, who's done such a great job in working with President Trump in the Years in the wilderness. John Sauer is the Solicitor General. These are major positions. Jones Day partner. Noel Francisco, who I thought Noel did a great job as Solicitor General was the partner there. He's now listed on the J.P. morgan team. You got Don McGahn's not listed, but Don McGahn. I just don't understand. I know the lawyers, particularly in D.C. are good about these conflicts, but Cleta. And here's the deeper problem. It's not just they're coming after President Trump with the law firm that represented the first term is that the audience wants Georgia done. They want to get, you know, not have the ballots go back. We want to perp walk Brennan and all the deep state. The thing that's holding us up is not the will and not the direction to get this done. It's basically having the legal talent to do Alita and the folks down in Georgia right now that are working are not officially into the government because guess what? Main justice has very few people. And Emil Bovey went. Is now on an appeals court because they think Emil Bovey could be a guy that may be tapped for the Supreme Court. And that's a huge loss. You have very few people at Main Justice. We're basically hanging on by our fingertips over there. And I'm not trying to defend or make excuses for Pam Gandhi, but here's a reality with Todd and Pam and that whole crew, they can't get a ton of talent in because the big legal community has said no, if you're gonna work for the Trump term, we wanna represent corporate America. Right. And you're not gonna have a career here. So whether you want prep walks of the deep state or you wanna get to the bottom of what the CIA's been doing, you wanna get to the bottom of all this, you need legal talent. Judge Deneen is not somebody that throws in the towel easily. I think that. And I'm not saying she's throwing the towel over there. I think it's fake news. But if it does have a scintilla of truth, it's because of the simple fact you don't. She doesn't have enough legal talent over there. Cleta Mitchell, thoughts?

[Cleta Mitchell]

Steve? You know, I never disagree with you. I really never do, but I'm going to disagree with this.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay, good.

[Cleta Mitchell]

Because I've read too many of the papers that have been written by the lawyers that they have and doj and I'll give you an example. You know, Harmeet Dillon, the Civil Rights Division, they've sued all these states. I think they've sued 26 states for their voter rolls. Under the Civil Rights act federal statute, black letter law says that the Attorney General shall, may request and shall be given black letter law shall be given any election records. Period. That's what it says. And it says that in Civil Rights Act. It says that in the Federal Election Records Act. Okay, they sue all these states. You've got 27, 28 states that have refused to turn over their voter rolls.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yep.

[Cleta Mitchell]

Well, let me tell you an interesting little fact. One, I looked the other, I looked it up the other day. The 26 states that they have sued, 23 of those states belong to something called ERI, the election registration Electronic Registration Information Clearinghouse. It is a left wing organization. It only exists not to clean voter rolls, but states pay money. It's actually quite brilliant on, on the part of the founder. And so you know what they do, all these states, 23 of those states belong to Eric. And you know what they do? They turn over not just the voter rolls, but they turn over driver data that is forbidden under federal law to be turned over to any non governmental entity. And so you ask, I said, why are you not arguing that these same states that refuse to follow the federal statute and turn over these documents, these records to the Attorney General as required by federal law, all these states say we're not going to turn over.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

But hang on, because I'm pressed for time. What are you disagreeing with me about that? I'm not saying there's not great talent at, at Main justice and with the 14 or 15 we've got. But if you hang on, if you look at the second and third ranks, call Main justice, talk to Todd, talk to in the office of Pam, they'll tell you the number one thing they've got is that they can't get enough talent because people, because people naturally hesitant and that's because of the big law firm. Are you disagreeing with that?

[Cleta Mitchell]

I am disagreeing with that. What I am saying is that they're not making the arguments they need to be making. I ask the question, why don't you go into court and say, you, Honor, they won't turn those things over to us, but they're turning them over to a left wing group. And you know, I was told, oh, we're not allowed to make that argument. What? And then I see that they're having to. They're defending that argument, the Justice Department. I mean, the problem I'm seeing is that I worry they don't have the will. What have they done to Ed Martin? Where's Ed Martin? He is a, he's brilliant. He's a fighter. They should be lifting him up. They are. You know, he's still getting along great with the president and all. But there's so much that they could have done.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yes.

[Cleta Mitchell]

All of those people. He pardoned the electors, he pardoned the, the lawyers. He pardoned everybody. And do you know what they didn't do? Go look at the DOJ website, see if you can find the pardon letter that was prepared, the memo that explains why all of these, this could be done by the president.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

So you're saying your argument is not simply, it's not simply a lack of tal or that second and third tier talent. You're saying even at the top level they don't have the will. And you've seen this. They don't have the killer instinct.

[Cleta Mitchell]

Okay, they don't killer instinct. And that's, and I don't know, you, you cannot push a rope. What we used to say in Oklahoma. And, and there are a lot of ropes at the, at doj.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

But hang on, but let's go back, hang on. Let's go back to the matter at hand. In, in because we were very concerned, as you remember the last couple of weeks. This is why we had Harry McDougalan and other people in Georgia that were specialists in this case and knew it. We were quite concerned about this. You are happy with what they represented last week and filed. Okay, but let's, let's, let's go. And that's, and I look, I agree with you. There's not enough going on. But my argument is not enough going on because they don't have the depth of talent. You're arguing that you don't think the political will. And if that's the case, then we'll send this clip to the president and make sure he has a chat with people. Cuz he's definitely got the will and is very focused on this and make sure he sees all your clips. So talk to me about, let's talk before Thune because we're talking about lack of will there. Talk to me about Georgia. Are you happy with the government's response and the team that came together on the government's response and are we even going to trial on Friday or is the judge going to dismiss it?

[Cleta Mitchell]

Well, that's a really good question. Yes, I am very happy with the pleadings that they filed. They filed two papers in response to the, the pleadings, the petition filed by county commissioners and the board of elections who don't Even have custody and control the ballots and election materials. Those are under the custody and control of the court clerk. And so the first thing that the DOJ argued, they did go in and I, I've made a pest of myself to the point that Buddy at DOJ finally said in response, we said, what is wrong with you, Khalida? I said, what is wrong with me is I'm worried that you guys are not fight and I don't. I want you to fight. So they have, and I give them full credit, they brought in lawyers, they've had some people who are not even in the criminal division, but who've stepped in to help them. And you mentioned John Sauer and others. I have a huge amount of respect for John Sauer. He's a true. He's a true conservative, true MAGA conservative and a great lawyer.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

So, yeah, he's done. I think. I think Sauer's fantastic. And I thought his arguments on the tariffs. Now, now. But let me ask you, given the overwhelming response, because they put senior main justice people on this, given the overwhelming blowout of the water response, why is this even a thing? How come this judge is not dismissing it? It appears now we are gonna go to either hearing or you call it a trial on Friday. Correct. In Georgia, this has not been shut down by the judge.

[Cleta Mitchell]

Not yet. But what happened was the Department of Justice came in and first they filed the response to. They filed a really thorough response on the factual issues. And then they came in and filed another motion which was to say, hey, why are we even having this evidentiary hearing? This is highly unusual, totally improper. And so they really did come in and they asked the judge to cancel the evidentiary hearing and made a very good pleading with lots and lots of. Of citations. I think the most hilarious or most ironic part is they cited the 11th Circuit case when President Trump had gone in in the Mar A Lago Ray case and tried to get. Tried to do what the Fulton county plaintiffs are trying to do. And the 11th Circuit said, no, you can't do that. So they're fighting. So now the Department of Justice, Trump's Department of Justice, is citing that case as the reason why Fulton county can't have its way here, which I thought was pretty ironic. But, no, the Department of Justice has stepped up. They've done a really good job. But look, I've been. I've been reading these cases and orders and watching these judges, both state and federal, in Fulton County, Georgia for five years, and I can just tell you that there's something in the water down there. And who knows what this judge will do? I have. You know, you just never know with these judges there. I don't know what's wrong with them, but that's. It's a problem with a lot of crooks.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

They're protecting. They're protecting a Republican apparatus that knows these things are being stolen and going along with it. Let me pivot, and I'm gonna hold you through the break because I gotta do McCrory in North Carolina. This letter to Jonathan, one of the reasons, I think if you, if you could argue they got a lack of will over at justice, is the people that confirmed them have a real lack of will in the U.S. senate. Tell me about the letter you've sent John Thune about the Save America Act.

[Cleta Mitchell]

Well, 80 organizations signed a letter to Jonathan, which was delivered yesterday. You can find it on EI Watchdogs, which is the Election Integrity Network, Twitter, X Location, whatever. And, and basically this third paragraph is the most important. It basically says to John Thune, look, here's one thing everybody needs to understand. We have work, been working really hard to educate ourselves and a few others leaders, anybody who wants to, about these Senate rules, because we want to know how it is that these senators utilize these rules to avoid voting, to avoid doing real work, to avoid legislating. And so when we passed Bus, when Chip Roy and Mike Lee came up with the idea of doing the Save America act, and what they did was it was put into a bill. They stripped out a bill that had already passed the Senate, a Rick Scott bill, and so took all the content out of it and put in it, put in that Senate vehicle, that bill, the content of the Save America Act. So now then, it has gone back to the Senate from the House, not as a House bill, but as a Senate bill returning to the Senate, which means that Finn can call that up at any time, and it can proceed to the immediate consideration, immediate vote.

[Pat McCrory]

Okay,

[Stephen K. Bannon]

hang on for one second. We're going to come back and explain this to the audience of how this structure works to get Save America passed State of the Union Day. We're covering it all day and through the night here in the war room in Real America's Voice.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Welcome back Birch Gold 20 to the 26 7th, which is Friday. Also, President Trump is coming to Texas. We're going to cover that wall to wall. Also there's going to be, I think a Maha. Tony Lyon's going to join us later at Maha event in Austin on Thursday. We're going to cover plus the State of the Union all night tonight. I'll be with you the entire time until we do a wrap up afterwards with analysis. I do believe the speech is not going to be short. So let's say that I think it'll, I think it will clearly go through at least to an hour. President Trump, I think, is going to go through a detailed analysis of not just simply what he's accomplished, but why he's accomplished it and what it looks like going forward. This will be his chance to address the nation, his biggest chance to address the nation before the midterms traditionally. And like I said, he's coming here on, on, on Friday to Corpus Christi. We will cover that live. I think actually the event itself will be during our five o' clock show. So looking forward to doing that. The I'm gonna get Cleta back up here in a second to the 27th also is the last day for birchgold.com you go to birchgold.com promo code Bannon end of the dollar empire if you make a qualifying investment, you are eligible to get for free the Patriots edition of the End of the Dollar Empire, which has kind of become a thing because we started when gold was, I don't know, 1100 bucks an ounce and now it's over 5000. And we explained not what the price was going to be, but the process so you can get pattern recognition. And so many people have taken advantage of that. We want everybody to take advantage of it. So go there today. Birchgold.com, promo code Bannon Endotheld Empire. The special for Birch Gold ends on Friday. So you make contact with Philip Patrick and the team, and they've now gone through a couple of printings of this. The demand for the book, the hard copy edition, has been pretty overwhelming. So continue on, folks. Pleita, the JONATHAN okay, is this just Senate voodoo? Are we playing the games of the kind of insiders talk to me about how is this legitimate? You can actually take a bill, strip it out, put this in as a Senate bill. And if that's the case, why is John Thune got him on. Why is he calling back today and pass the thing before President Trump's State of the Union? If you talk to the war room posse, if you talk to the base out there, if you talk to just average Republicans, the priority of the Save America, because of the voter id, you know, these diminished requirements on mail in ballots, on cleaning up the voter rolls and particularly voter ID is top of mind. And people are infuriated with, they're furious with the Senate for not just going to a standing or talking filibuster which the president keeps passing. So if you've got this special magic. Why are we not using the special magic, ma'? Am?

[Cleta Mitchell]

Well, because they're not used to, it's a two step process. I didn't quite finish the process, sorry, I got, you know, to talk too much. But that he, if he moves for a closure vote to go to 60 votes to cut off debate instead of having a filibuster, then that is, everybody just needs to know that that is he's intending intentionally killing the bill. He doesn't have to do that, that this is a two step process. Step one, because of the weights come back from the House, it can go immediately to the floor on a motion to proceed and it only takes 51 votes to do that. He's got those 51 votes. But then what happens is make them have the filibuster, make the Democrats come down and talk and that's what they're afraid of. I mean, that's apparently what Thune is afraid of. And he has these other bills he wants to bring up, the farm bill, the highway bill. No, nothing. Yes, we need to get DHS reopened. We absolutely need to get that done. But this should be part of the negotiations. The, the motion to proceed allows this bill, the Save America act, to come to the floor.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Let's get the, yeah, let's get, let's get the letter back up there. Grace Moen, Elizabeth will push it out because we got the letter. Just what is the purpose of the letter? What do you guys hope? These 80 groups, conservative groups, Come together. What do you hope to achieve? What is your purpose on this?

[Cleta Mitchell]

To make him understand that we know the drill. You talked about the insider games that they play in the Senate to keep from having to do anything. And we want him to know. We want all of our Republican senators to know that. Just saying they're going to vote for the bill, that's huge and we appreciate it. But now we want them to make the Democrats actually engage in the talking filibuster. And they'll give out. They'll be exhausted after a few days or a week, and that's fine. And then, then, then when they quit talking, which they will at some point, then the bill can be considered with 51 votes and passed. But you've gotta make the Democrats talk

[Stephen K. Bannon]

if we have 51 votes, because I

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think McConnell will work against it anyway.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Hang on for a second. I want to play, you know, and I think the Hill newspaper today has an article talking about this coming together of these groups to basically say these are Republicans, that we're going to wait out Trump and we're going to retake the Republican Party, we're going to get rid of maga, we're going to get rid of the populist nationalists. All Trump's just a bad dream, a summer storm that's passing through. Let's play can we play McCrory again? Because this guy's a beauty. Let's play him dumping on President Trump on msnbc.

[Cleta Mitchell]

Is the pre Trump Republican Party gone, never to be revived, Governor?

[Pat McCrory]

No, I think we've had these streaks of populism never to this example over personality. But this is a populist movement and maybe there's a reason for the populist movement because the left went too far left and some of its rhetoric and there's pushback against it. But you know, when I was on the campaign trail as governor with President elect Trump or the candidate Trump, I never wore a magnet because I never know what it meant. I don't listen. When I was governor and mayor, I never let anybody use slogans around me because I think slogans don't say anything.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And we still, full stop. He went around, folks. Trump went around and let this guy go. He was running for reelection in Carolina. President Trump pulled it out, I think, with a point point five North Carolina and 16. And that's the one I was most concerned about. Meadows and his wife talked about, told us early enough, we got this that last 10 days we could go focus on crashing the blue wall which delivered the victory, the historic victory McCrory lost. He's bragging about not wearing a MAGA hat. You got your ass kicked by Cooper. Dude, you're a bolt. And then he came. He came to Trump Tower and on his knees begged for a job. I'm a populist. I so much believe in make America great again. President elect Trump is just amazing. This guy, what he knows. Cleta Mitchell, where do people go get you, ma'? Am. We'll have you back on tomorrow as we run up to Georgia. How do people get you? Hold the story for Carolina. We'll do it tomorrow. What's your. What's your where your where. Where do people go at?

[Cleta Mitchell]

Cleta Mitchell. That's on X. And then our website go to election integritynetwork.org watch integritynetwork.org and go to EI Watchdog, which is our Twitter handle on apps.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

So, okay, let's get it all out there. Save those great stories. I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get you tomorrow. Cleta Mitchell knows the inside baseball down there in Carolina. The gall of that guy to sit there and go, I didn't wear a MAGA hat when I'm campaigning. You got your ass kicked and Trump won your state and he couldn't even drag you across the line. You were so. The people down there could not stand you. Unbelievable. Then he begged for a job. What a beauty. Short break. Back in a moment.

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