Episode 5171: Judge Order On Fulton Ballot Seizure; AI Revolution In The Department Of War

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room

Episode 5171: Judge Order On Fulton Ballot Seizure; AI Revolution In The Department Of War
Date: February 26, 2026
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Notable Guests: Jason Frazier, Garland Favorito, Mark Beale, Raheem Kassam

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Overview

In this packed episode, Stephen K. Bannon orchestrates a deep dive into two of the most urgent political and societal issues of the day:

1. The continued fallout and judicial drama surrounding the 2020 election ballots in Fulton County, Georgia, and broader Republican efforts to change election laws.
2. The accelerating clash between Silicon Valley and the Pentagon over AI, featuring new revelations about surveillance, "killer robots," and the AI arms race.

With appearances by grassroots election transparency activists, tech-policy experts, and prominent conservative voices, the episode weaves breaking news, legal updates, and frank worries over the rapid advancement of artificial intelligence.

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The Fulton County Ballot Seizure & SAVE Act: Legal and Political Battles in Georgia

Key Segment Highlights:

• Opening Theme and Context (00:00–02:04):

  • Bannon outlines the right-wing push for the “SAVE Act,” pitched as an effort to address election integrity but, according to critics and guests, “a Republican solution in search of a problem.” He points out that claims of widespread fraud after 2020 have been “wholly debunked again and again.”
  • Quote [01:20], Bannon:

    “The GOP is right now fighting tooth and nail to put something on Donald Trump’s desk that could potentially disenfranchise...up to 21 million American voters in the name of solving a fake problem.”

• Fulton County: Ballot Dispute and Legal Maneuvers (09:25–13:57):

  • Jason Frazier, activist and ballot transparency advocate, draws an analogy to explain why he believes the process lacks transparency:
    • “When I ask my children to clean their room, they don’t lock the door and say it’s clean…” [09:25]
  • He alleges officials have tried to “shred the 2020 ballots for years,” contesting their reasoning about lack of storage, and claims suspicious behavior regarding mail-in ballots and chain-of-custody procedures.
  • Frazier outlines ongoing legal efforts:
    • The lawsuit originally named only Rob Pitts (Board of Commissioners chair), but has now brought the court clerk (Shea Alexander) into the matter to try to gain standing.
    • Bombshell ruling: Instead of Friday’s expected evidentiary hearing, the judge has ordered mediation, interpreted by guests as a temporary win for transparency advocates and a sign that the opposition’s case is weak.
    • Quote [13:57], Frazier:

      “Kicking the can down the road is progress for our side. We’re used to just getting thrown under the bus at every angle.”

• Legal Analysis and Frustrations (19:56–26:00):

  • Garland Favorito (VoterGA) dissects the judge’s reasoning:
    • Asserts government agencies don’t have constitutional rights in this context.
    • The “four parts” necessary for standing and substantive claims are not met, particularly as the clerk previously argued for destruction of ballots due to space, undermining claims of irreparable injury.
    • Quote [22:20], Favorito:

      “We were in court and the clerk…told the judge they don’t have room for the ballots…just weeks after they had spent $30 million on a new 660,000 square foot warehouse.”

  • Both Frazier and Favorito point to a “double standard of justice” and prolonged delays as another example of institutional inertia or bias.

• On-the-Ground Consequences (26:48–27:42):

  • Jason Frazier describes his own situation: a court order fines the Fulton Board of Commissioners $10,000 a day for refusing to seat him on the election board, underlining the stakes of “keeping truth-tellers off.”
  • He remains optimistic but realistic about bureaucratic tactics: “They should have a response…unless they just continue kicking the can down the road like they do on everything else.”

• Calls to Action & Communications

  • Garland Favorito: Updates, events, and documentation at VoterGA.org.
  • Jason Frazier: Updates on local activism via his X account @JASONFrazierUSA.

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The AI Revolution in the Department of War: Contract Disputes and Existential Risks

AI in Politics and Defense (33:04–43:44)

• Raheem Kassam and Mark Beale join to break down the recent Pentagon-Anthropic standoff:

  • The Pentagon demands unfettered access to Anthropic’s AI models for surveillance and potential weaponization; Anthropic resists, invoking safety and ethical guidelines.
  • “Anthropic said it would not allow the Pentagon to use its model for…weapons that fire without human involvement.” [34:56] – Kassam
  • The Pentagon threatens to blacklist Anthropic, typically a step reserved for foreign adversaries.
  • Quote [36:21], Bannon:

    “This is basically saying you have to give us this technology and we will use it for what we deem to be lawful activity…”

• Mark Beale (AI Policy Network):

  • Breaks down both sides: The Pentagon is correct that only Congress can restrict military actions, but AI companies are pointing out that their technology is currently “not yet trustworthy enough to put into combat operations.”
  • On dangers of unreliable AI: “You just don’t give a schizophrenic access to the cruise missiles.” [37:37]
  • Both Beale and Bannon emphasize that AI models are deceitful, lie, blackmail, and operate unpredictably when scaled.
  • Quote [41:20], Mark Beale (on the existential stakes):

    “These are foundational questions…like whether or not we want a robot to take the life of another human being. …Instead of having this debate…in Congress… it’s happening as a contract dispute…”

• Bannon’s Summary:

  • Frames current developments as “the transition to the singularity,” suggesting AI’s societal impact will eclipse the industrial or agricultural revolutions.
  • Urges action to avoid “sleepwalking into a disaster.”

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AI in Journalism: Practical Experience and Warnings

• Raheem Kassam (National Pulse publisher): (45:48–53:32)
  • Admits to using AI for copy-editing, summarization, and enhancing editorial speed but wrestles with its dangers:

    “Anything that has the potential to do a lot of good also has the potential to be used for a lot of bad things…” [46:52]

  • Describes next-generation "personal" AIs — far beyond simple chatbot tools — that independently make financial decisions, learn, and even circumvent safeguards. Warns of the dangers when they’re connected to sensitive personal information.
  • Quote [49:17], Kassam:

    “My friend has one…It started texting me about what was going on in the world, politics, finance…It wasn’t like a chat GPT style interaction…it started texting me, asking for help.”

  • Absolutely no confidence that government, law, or culture are prepared for what’s coming: “There’s nothing. And there’s no fallback plans either.” [52:52]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Stephen K. Bannon:

  “You can get a free edition of the Patriots edition of the End of the Dollar Empire…” (frequently pivots to calls-to-action and framing issues existentially)

• Jason Frazier:

  “They have wanted to shred the 2020 ballots for years now…they are afraid of what might be found.” [09:25]

• Mark Beale:

  “You just don’t give a schizophrenic access to the cruise missiles.” [37:37] “None of these AI companies can guarantee that these systems are safe and effective for those types of uses.” [41:20]

• Raheem Kassam:

  “These things are making independent decisions…It’s wild. It’s completely crazy.” [49:17]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Ballot Seizure & Legal Updates:

  • Opening, debunking voter fraud claims: 00:00–02:04
  • Georgia ballot storage and transparency fights: 09:25–13:57
  • Judge’s mediation order analysis: 13:57–19:56
  • Four-part legal “test” and clerical motivations: 19:56–26:00
  • Frazier’s battle for election board seat: 26:48–27:42
  • Garland Favorito and Jason Frazier channels: 30:42–32:45

• AI and National Security:

  • Pentagon vs. Anthropic contract dispute: 33:04–36:21
  • Surveillance vs. "killer robots" debate: 36:21–43:44
  • AI dangers in journalism: 45:48–49:07
  • The emergence of autonomous bot networks: 49:07–53:32

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Tone and Flow

The episode is combative, thick with distrust of government and institutions, and features a mixture of technical details, grassroots organizing fervor, and political urgency. Both the election integrity and AI discussions are framed as existential battles for the future of the republic, replete with metaphors (“primal scream of a dying regime”) and dire warnings (“sleepwalk into a disaster,” “transition to the singularity”).

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Summary

For listeners, this episode brings sharp insight into the ongoing struggle for election transparency and reforms in Georgia, exposing the legal and bureaucratic maneuvering that shapes public confidence. In parallel, it raises alarm bells over the unchecked advance of artificial intelligence — especially the potential for automation in warfare and omnipresent surveillance — and the inadequacy of political oversight. Packed with expert testimony, memorable analogies, actionable links, and stark warnings, this is an urgent briefing for those tracking America’s legal, technological, and political front lines.

Transcript

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Promoting something that we mentioned with Senator Klobuchar last hour, what's called the SAVE Act, a Republican solution which is in search of a problem, a fix for something Donald Trump made up in the aftermath of his electoral defeat in 2020. Once more for the people in the back, claims of widespread voter fraud have been wholly debunked again and again and again, year after year after year. And yet the GOP is right now fighting tooth and nail to put something on Donald Trump's desk that could potentially disenfranchise Trump 21 million up to 21 million American voters in the name of solving a fake problem. To underscore the ridiculous nature of that pursuit, consider what's happening here in Fulton County, Georgia. That's Atlanta. The state election board there is once again wrapped up in review of years old election results thanks to a federal subpoena search and seizure of related materials. Well, the Republican appointed chair of that board in a conversation with the Atlanta Journal Constitution podcast says there's a lot of political theater going on. Listen, the Fulton county that's elections department that is there now is not the same one that was there in 2020. I'd be the last person to say that there was no mistakes in 2020. There was a lot of mistakes. There's a lot of for a lot of different reasons. You know, you're having election during COVID they were hiring people that weren't trained properly. There was a whole lot of absentee ballots. And there's just a lot of issues that happened in 2020. But I've yet to see anything that would rise to a level of a crime or malfeasance or anything like that. It's just a lot of mistakes that were made. But you know, 2020 is over with. We have had multiple elections since then. Hi, he said I've yet to see anything that would rise to the level of a crime or malfeasance or anything like that. Thankfully for Veer went on to insist he has not, quote, had any serious discussions with any board members about them wanting to take over Fulton County. However, the broader concern persists. The president United States is right now applying pressure on officials at the state and federal level to accommodate his outright falsehoods about widespread voter fraud.

[Raheem Kassam]

More breaking reporting tonight from Ms. Now Donald Trump's Department of Homeland Security just told states that ICE agents will stay away from polling locations ahead of the midterms. DHS official made that pledge on a call with secretaries of state earlier today. Multiple sources confirmed to Ms. Now if we trust what they say this is obviously a win for free and fair elections and proof that public outcry does move the needle. But we have learned time and time again that DHS cannot be trusted by words alone. According to Maine's Secretary of State, Sheena Bellows, on that same call, federal agencies refused to make public statements reinforcing the constitutional principle that the states, not the federal government, are in charge of elections. I know you're shocked, Michael.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I don't believe a damn word of it. I don't believe anything that comes out of dhs.

[Unknown AI/Tech Expert]

I don't think believe anything that comes

[Stephen K. Bannon]

out of Pam Bondi, Cash Patel, ice, whoever's running ice, don't believe it, because it's all a lie. Because this election means more to this president than anything else in front of him, period. Because it sets in motion what the next two years look like for him. So y'.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

All.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Y' all can get, you know, drink that Kool Aid if you want to, but, Simone, I'm not. I'm not buying an inch of it.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

More breaking news. Cuba Sundays it killed four people and wounded six others during a shootout with the Florida registered speedboat.

[Mark Beale]

Their nationalities are unknown right now.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Here's what Secretary of State Marco Rubio is saying about it.

[Marco Rubio]

Suffice it to say it is highly unusual to see shootouts in open sea like that. It's not something that happens every day. It's something, frankly, that hasn't happened with Cuba in a very long time.

[Garland Favorito]

US And Iranian negotiating teams are meeting

[Stephen K. Bannon]

today for another round of high stake

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

talks in Geneva, Switzerland.

[Garland Favorito]

Now, during his State of the Union

[Stephen K. Bannon]

address, President Trump had said he'd yet to hear Iranians promise that their country would never have a nuclear weapon. Though hours before that speech, Iran's foreign minister posted a message online saying that Tehran will never seek to develop one. Secretary of State Marco Rubio talked about today's meetings with Caribbean leaders. And after that meeting, this is what some of what he said.

[Marco Rubio]

Well, I think tomorrow Steve and Jared will be there. I think they're on their way there now, actually. And the president was very clear last night that he always prefers diplomacy. But I want you to understand and everyone should know that Iran poses a very great threat to the United States and has for a very long time. They are in possession, first and foremost. After their nuclear program was obliterated, they were told not to try to restart it. And here they are. You can see them always trying to rebuild elements of it. They're not in, but they're trying to get to the point where they ultimately can. The other thing I would point you to, however, is that Iran possesses a very large number of ballistic missiles, particularly short range ballistic missiles that threaten the United States and our bases in the region and our partners in the region and all of our bases in the uae, Qatar, in Bahrain. And they also possess naval assets that threaten shipping and try to threaten the U.S. navy. So I want everybody to understand that beyond just a nuclear program program, they possess these conventional weapons that are solely designed to attack America and attack Americans if they so choose to do so. These things have to be addressed.

[Unknown Political Analyst]

So think about it saying framing is the right way to set it up, because this is part of a continuation, a story that Trump has been telling for years now, going all the way back to his first election in 2016. And this idea that there is malfeasance, that Democrats are somehow, you know, manipulating the votes, that they are the reason they support immigration the way they do is because they get to cheat. You know, this has been a consistent through line. And now that he's in this position of power, he is on sitting on top of the right wing media in this larger echo chamber. And it sort of served two purposes. Either they successfully leverage power and drive this thing through, in which case they managed to genuinely, you know, suppress a large part of the vote and make it really difficult for people to vote and therefore maybe even when as a result of that, or they don't get it through. But they spend the next few months undermining the elections, telling a story about all this supposed non existent cheating that's happening out there, working up their people into a frenzy so that immediately after the election or even before it, they can either crack down in some way in a last ditch effort to sort of seize, seize the election through extraordinary means or invalidate or hold the results sort of up in the air afterwards so that they can continue to sort of leverage that uncertainty for their own political power. And that's really the framing here. It's part of this larger narrative that Trump has been telling and we just can't divorce that. The lies are a point here. They're part of exercising political power.

[Jim Rickards]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Pray for our enemies, because we're going

[Jim Rickards]

medieval on these people's not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

you're not going to stop it.

[Jim Rickards]

It's going to happen.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And where do people like that go

[Marco Rubio]

to share the big lie?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul,

[Jason Frazier]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Jim Rickards]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my

[Stephen K. Bannon]

country, this country will be saved.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

WAR ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Band. It's Thursday, the 26th of February, in the year of Lord 2026. Bobby Kennedy heading out to Austin, Texas. They were going to cover that, this Maha event in Austin. The president's coming out to Corpus Christi, Texas tomorrow. Our own Brian Glenn will be there. Brian will join us in a while from the White House. So will Neil McCabe from Cuba to the Caribbean, Cuba, Geneva, Atlanta, Georgia, Fulton county, news all over, important news and of course, massive negotiations behind the scene on artificial intelligence, where Mark Beale joins us. We're absolutely packed today. I want to go first to Georgia and Jason Frazier first. Garland Favreau is also going to join us. So, Jason, first off, Jason, I would like to have you respond because it's people and the reason we do these cold opens and we show the MSNBC and cnn and I know the audience used to hate it. Now they like it because they see the information warfare out there every night. Folks, you have to understand, they pound and pound and pound. There's nothing to see here. Nothing happened. This is all lies. This Trump's a liar. The people around him are wingnuts. And you saw at the beginning, that was one of the shows last night in the A block. Nothing to see here. They, they've, they've done 50 investigations in Georgia and there were two votes that. Can you just answer, Jason, because you've done, you and Rossi, I think, have done the pick and shovel work. Can you respond to the MSNBC anchors in the, in the first part of that cold open, sir?

[Jason Frazier]

I mean, I guess the easiest way to sum it up is when I ask my children to clean their room, they don't lock the door and say it's clean. If we had clean election elections in Georgia, if we had clean elections in 2020, they would be happy to say, you know what, we're going to have a public press conference. We're going to show you all the ballots. We're going to record everything. We're going to, we're going to be proud to show you how good we are. But they are hiding the ballots. They have wanted to shred the 20, 20 ballots for years now. They've said we don't have room in the warehouse for these ballots. But all of a sudden, now that the FBI graciously took them out of the warehouse so they have room that they wanted, now they want them back. I mean, that tells you the story right then and there. We've got problems in Georgia. They are afraid of what might be found.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Jason. In fact, I think the Clark actually, a couple years ago actually made a move to destroy the ballots, but only because of the Garland favoritos and the Jason Fraziers of the world was a stop. She wanted to actually destroy the ballots a couple of years ago. Correct. Because it was too expensive to take up that space. Right.

[Jason Frazier]

We've got this giant new warehouse south of Atlanta. There is plenty of room there. But they have been trying to get rid of the evidence. I mean, we've all heard about absentee ballots that came back and, and somehow they were never folded. I don't know how you send a ballot through the mail without folding it, but we've heard of a lot of different issues. The, the Mont Rossi case exposed a lot of issues like the, the. The zero tapes either didn't exist or weren't kept and just chain of custody issues everywhere. I mean, I think at this point there has been plenty of evidence. We just need to see what happened. We need to look at the ballots. We need to analyze them and make sure that they are legitimate ballots, that they weren't just printed at some print shop. We just want the truth. And once we get the truth in 2020, any issues that may or may not have happened, we need to improve upon. So that way future elections do not have these issues. We want clean elections. Things Stacey Abrams yelled about bad elections. Everyone in Georgia has had issues with elections. We just want to improve the process. And if there is malfeasance, we want people to be held accountable so that way we can trust our election system in Georgia.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Okay. We were all set up to have wall to wall coverage and to agree that we could. You could get cameras in. I realized it's pretty restrictive. But we were about to have wall to wall coverage tomorrow on what was not really a hearing. It was going to be a trial. Originally. Abby Lowell and Norm Ison wanted to go into court and argue. We got it. We need those. Those are our property and we need it back. The, the ballots, the tabulators, all of it. Last night, kind of a bombshell ruling. Can you explain to us what. What happened? Because there's. There's not going to be. There's not going to be a trial or not going to be a hearing tomorrow.

[Jason Frazier]

Sir.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

What Happened.

[Jason Frazier]

Yeah, I mean, I'll take it one step further back. Originally this, this lawsuit was filed with just Rob Pitts as who is the, the chair of the Board of Commissioners. I think he finally realized he doesn't have standing, which is why they added the clerk of the courts in there. And that would be Shea Alexander. But my understanding, or just by reading this, this new update is they must not have a clean case or why would it be kicked out to mediation? So that's, that's where we're at right now. Is. Is back and it said we, we need you guys to agree to a mediator. You've got a week or so to to figure that out. If you don't in a couple of weeks, then it sounds like the judge may assign somebody, but if they had a case, they would just go to court. But whenever you kick a case this important out to a mediator, I think that's a flag. And if nothing else, that gives our side more time to investigate this, this potential malfeasance. So I think it's a good thing

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

for our side, but in reality the judge, because the judge is always putting his thumb on the scale for these guys.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

You.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

You could have ruled as they ruled against us so many times. You don't have standing. Sorry. See you later. Correct. We never even really got to evidentiary hearings, did we?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Right.

[Jason Frazier]

Tomorrow was supposed to be the evidentiary hearing. I was, I was planning to be there. It was a 9 o' clock hearing, but that got kicked out. So, yes, it would have been nice. They would have just dismissed it. But kicking the can down the road is, I mean, that's progress for our side. We're used to just getting thrown under the bus at every angle. So at least we're moving in the right direction.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Hey, hang on for a second. Garland Favorito is going to join us because the big showdown, the railhead of all of this is the stolen 2020 election. And the. The key right now is Georgia. That's where we cannot stop fighting. We're absolutely packed today. Tomorrow is the President's and Corpus Christi. Also. It's the last day for some incredible offer from Birchgold. Birchgold.com promo code Bannon. Talk to Philip Patrick and the team. The end of the Dollar Empire. If you make a qualifying purchase of gold from Birch Gold and gold has been on fire recently. You get a free edition of the Patriots edition of the End of the Dollar Empire. We've taken the online version and put it into a print edition. They've flown off the shelf I think we're in the third or fourth printing, but tomorrow's the last day, the 27th of February. So make sure you're on it today with Birch Gold. Short break, back to Georgia in a moment.

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[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

And perhaps most importantly, I'm asking you

[Garland Favorito]

to approve the Save Americ.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

To stop illegal aliens and others who

[Garland Favorito]

are unpermitted persons from voting in our sacred American elections.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

That cheating is rampant in our elections. It's rampant. It's very simple.

[Unknown Political Analyst]

All voters must show voter id.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

All voters must show proof of citizenship

[Garland Favorito]

in order to vote.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

And no more crooked mail in ballots

[Garland Favorito]

except for illness, disability, military or travel. None. And this should be an easy one.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

And by the way, it's polling at

[Garland Favorito]

89%, including Democrats, 89%. And the reason they don't want to do it? Why would anybody not want voter id?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

One reason.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Because they want to cheat. There's only one reason.

[Garland Favorito]

They make a up all excuses.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

They say it's racist. They come up with things. You almost say what imagination they have.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

They want to cheat.

[Garland Favorito]

They have cheated and their policy is so bad that the only way they can get elected is to cheat. And we're going to stop it. We have to stop it.

[Jason Frazier]

John.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Garland Favorito joins us. Garland, we talk about cheating. The president threw down hard the Save America act right now. Unless Thune gets off the dime, is dead in the water. And people just sort of understand that you've got to put massive pressure on Thune to have a standing filibuster. Rachel Bovard's got a couple of good ideas about how to do this, but there's no appetite in the Senate, just none to do this. Garland, you fought this for years, but the situation, this bombshell that dropped last night, we were supposed to be covering you guys. You were going to be on. Jason Frazier was going to be on. We had a whole. Everybody was going to be on tomorrow because the whole focus of the world in the morning is going to be Georgia, and then President Trump's coming to Texas in the afternoon. It was just a great show. It was a great way to show where this country is. But we're not going to be in court tomorrow. We're not going to have a hearing or trial or whatever it was because of a ruling last night. And I'm confused about this ruling. They were scrambling, the Fulton county people were scrambling to try to get standing and try to get people. We were thrown out of court so many times, not even have an evidentiary hearing to get on standing. Why didn't the judge just shut this down? Why are they treated differently now? We got to go. This mediation and it's a couple of weeks. You never know what's going to happen. Jason happens to think, hey, by it's a couple more weeks, the FBI's got it. But this to me seems black and white. It should be thrown out. Sir, your thoughts?

[Garland Favorito]

Quite a few, Steve. Thank you very much for having me. So, yes, it should have been thrown out, but I think Jason is completely right. This is a victory. What was scheduled for Friday was an evidentiary hearing. And you remember when Harry was on last week, Harry McDougall, he was explaining that the, the DOJ's brief said that basically they were asking the judge to, to cancel the hearing. And he did. Bottom line is he canceled the hearing. He has not officially dismissed the case. But, you know, we've been saying all along that they didn't have standing. Bringing the clerk into the case may or may not give them standing. It's debatable because she's not really a true interested party. She's simply the custodian of the records. She doesn't even own the records herself. So the question of standing is still a question, but in this order that the judge made. First of all, he completely disregarded the constitutional right claims that they made. As we said on the show last week, government agencies that are on this Complaint, they don't have constitutional rights. And it's questionable even whether the clerk, as a custodian of the records, but not the true owner, has a constitutional right because the clerk and Chairman Pitts are on in their official capacities. They're not on in their individual capacities. So therefore their rights are questioned. So even, even if they were to get standing, there's still what Harry would explain would be a four part substantive test that they have to meet. And they don't meet any of these four parts, which I can explain to you, I think, really quickly.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Sure, go ahead.

[Unknown AI/Tech Expert]

Please.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Hold on. Before I explain. Hang on, hang on, hang on. Before. I want you to go through quickly, the four parts. Harry would have been here. He's in court. Clea's in meeting. She maybe join us later. But Garland Cremie, Vroom. The clerk. Didn't the clerk move a couple of years ago to destroy the ballot? She's saying, oh, it's taking up too much space. It's too expensive. We want to destroy the evidence. How did they bring her into a case now when she argued it should be destroyed a couple of years ago?

[Garland Favorito]

Right, that's exactly. I'm so glad you asked that question. I know you mentioned it with Jason as well. That was our case. That was our case. It was June of 2024. We were in court, and the clerk went in with a straight face and told the judge that they don't have room for the ballots. And this is after literally just weeks after they had spent $30 million on. On a new 660,000 square foot warehouse, which you've seen in the pictures that you showed earlier. And she claimed that they needed to destroy the ballots. And that gets a little bit towards the next of the four parts that she is not an aggrieved person in this whole matter. And what you just said kind of proves it. So the four parts are what we call the substantive issues that they would have to prove is what's interesting to understand. Fulton county would have to prove all four of these parts. One is they have to prove that there was a callous disregard on the part of the DoJ for their constitutional rights. They don't have any constitutional rights. And there was not a callous disregard. The DOJ or the FBI went to the court, magistrate court, and got a legitimate warrant. That's number one. Number two, whether the plaintiff has an individual interest in the need for the material. Well, what is their interest in the need? All they want to do is store it. Their interest in the need is they don't want the FBI to look at it and find out they committed crimes. So that's not legitimate. The third part is whether the plaintiff would be irreparably injured by denial of the return of the property. And Steve, what you just said proves that they're not irreparably injured because the clerk wanted to destroy the ballots anyway. So that they have to meet. Remember, they have to meet all three of these. And then finally whether they have an adequate remedy at law to redress their grievance. Well, they don't even have a legitimate grievance.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Okay, hang on. We're blown out of court. Every. Every time you get your nose rubbed and say, oh, they went to court 63 times and we were blown out with this issue here of standing and all those criteria every time. Why is this judge playing patty cake? They're just. He's buying time for the opposition. I realize Jason's right. It's the first even victory just to not be shut out. But why is he giving Norm Ison and Abby Lowell and these crooks in Fulton County a couple more weeks and have to go to a mediation? We don't get a mediator, then he's going to sign one. So you're going to have a mediation issue that's going to go on for a couple of months, is it not, sir?

[Garland Favorito]

It's a great question, Steve. And if Cleta was here, I think she would say that there is a double standard of justice in America. There's one standard for Democrats, and then if there's any kind of a case that could benefit a Republican, there is another standard of justice, and that is what's wrong with the American judicial system. It has been corrupted. But you're absolutely right. This case should have been thrown out on its ear. But this is the first victory, and I don't see that Fulton county has a leg to stand on. I've been saying this all along because even a guy like me who's not an attorney can see from my previous experience in winning standing, the George Supreme Court, they just don't have it.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

You've been fighting. We wouldn't be here if it was not for you and your team. Real quick, I want you guys to hold Raheem's on deck. I got Mark Beal. We gotta get some situation over at the Department of War sorted out. Jason Frazier, before I go to break, correct me if I'm wrong, I want the audience to understand this. There's a judgment out there. So not to put a truth teller like you an American citizen that's done the work on publicly disclosed information. You are supposed to be, correct me if I'm wrong, on the Fulton County Board of Elections. They are. They've had a judgment against them, and I realize they're fighting it. 10. Is it $10,000 a day to keep you off. They're bearing that potential burden to keep you off Fulton county, sir.

[Jason Frazier]

That is correct. We won an appeal or we, we won the, the initial case and they refused to put me on the board. When I say they, I mean the Fulton County Board of Commissioners and, and the judge held them in contempt, saying, you owe $10,000 a day until I am seated on that board. And, and being that Fulton county, they really do not want somebody on there that can look at data and will speak the truth. So it got kicked to appeals court, and it's been on the appeals court calendar since September, but it shows February of this year is, is the date on. On the calendar. So we're getting right down to the wire on, on February. I mean, it's, it's pretty obvious. We've got to get a decision very, very quickly. Tomorrow is the last business day.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

So are you scheduled? Are you scheduled that you could be in court tomorrow? They scheduled to, like, give a ruling tomorrow, sir? Tomorrow's last day of February, right? Last work day.

[Jason Frazier]

Yeah. Well, there won't be a hearing, but they should have a response. Unless they just continue kicking the can down the road like they do on everything else.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

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[Unknown AI/Tech Expert]

You move.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Okay, Garland, I guess we're going to look for a mediator for a couple of weeks. Where do people go, Garland, to keep up with you and all this because I can tell you, the Warren Posse, this situation with the ballots, with the FBI and the criminal side and with Tulsi Gabbard on the election, foreign interference is of paramount importance and I know it is to the president of these United States. So where do people go? Sir?

[Garland Favorito]

Thank you, Steve. It's voterj.org we just did a press conference about this topic on the events. It's on the events tab right now and that's voterj.org, we actually predicted yesterday that this was going to happen. They were predicting the that it was going to be canceled, the hearing was going to be canceled. So it's a great press conference. We walked through all the FBI search warrant evidence and Steve, here's another thing real quickly. They have told me four times in open records request that they did not have the ballots that the FBI seized. So we I've officially filed a complaint on that one for state election board. We're here. Hopefully we'll hear that next month. But that's where you can go. We again, we are all volunteers and any donations are tax deductible. Thank you, Steve.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Garland stood the breach. By the way, folks understand that they lie. They bald face lie to your face. This is how bad it is this is why we got to get to the bottom of this in Georgia and the Republican and Roethlisberg is what running for governor. It's a complete and total joke down there. The Republican establishment is revolting. Absolutely. Revolt. Hadn't been for patriots like you and Caroline Jeffers and Sally Grubbs and the entire Dr. Jan Jason Frazier, we would be nowhere. This is all the little guy standing in the breach say we're not going to back off on this. Thank you, sir. Jason Frazier, $10,000 a day from September. They got to tomorrow to respond. We'll have you back on in the afternoon to see if that will slide you into our coverage of President Trump and Corpus Christi. We'll give them to close the business and see if they respond because I'm sure they're just going to blow it off. Where they go, brother.

[Jason Frazier]

Yes. Yeah. You can follow me on X at JASON Frazier, USA and I try to try to stick to the facts, show you what's going on in the state of Georgia and in most mostly Fulton County. So that way the world can see what's going on. And when we expose these guys, that's when things get fixed. So yes, thank you for having me on. And the other patriots here in Georgia takes all of us. Thank you.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Thank you for the guy that is so dangerous they take $10,000 a day like they got that kind of money. Thank you, sir. Okay. Raheem's with us. I want to get into we got a situation at Department of War. We got to make sure we understand and get sorted. Let's play that. Mark Bill is going to join us in Raheem Kassam, let's go ahead and let it rip. We've got a cold open.

[Raheem Kassam]

President is also touting these pledges from these big tech companies, these AI companies who are building these data centers that in a lot of cities and states are getting pushback from local communities

[Unknown AI/Tech Expert]

with

[Raheem Kassam]

these tech companies that are saying we're going to now cover all the energy costs, all the electricity costs.

[Unknown AI/Tech Expert]

We got it.

[Raheem Kassam]

Is that going to be enough to shoulder this burden or this concern from Americans? And these are not Americans who are worried about losing their jobs to AI. They are Americans whose communities are suffering because of these data centers, whose electricity

[Stephen K. Bannon]

bills are soaring sky and it's what you it's a handshake deal. There's no details in here at all. And I think broadly speaking, for years voters and frustrated that they feel that the health care system doesn't work in this country. Corporations don't treat Workers. Well, higher education doesn't, you know, get you what you expected in the past. You can't afford a house climate, you know, these crazy storms like we just had here. So again, they elect Donald Trump to change to address these big structural problems that haunt all Americans. And he didn't mention any of those things last night. The handshake deals for these power, you know, consumption issues. OpenAI, okay, which is the largest, you know, right now, they put out $1.44 trillion worth of basically contracts to all of these major tech companies to build out, compute, okay, to do that you need energy. You guys were just covering that. Okay, so everybody wants nuclear. Do you know that to build a nuclear reactor it takes maybe minimum seven years, probably 10 to 12 years. And it also costs maybe depending upon the size, 15, maybe $30 billion to do that. So it's just kind of like going back to math here. It's not something that any of these companies want to sign contracts to one way or another. But they do need to figure out a plan to get through the next few years because a lot of this build out is not going to happen anyway.

[Raheem Kassam]

For a few more in a major shift, a company, you might not be familiar with them, they're a behemoth. Anthropic has officially dropped its hallmark safety pledge. The pledge had included a commitment to delaying AI development that was might be dangerous. But today the company said it would no longer do so if it believes a lack of significant lead over a competitor. It comes amid an escalating fight between Anthropic founder Dario Amadei and Defense Secretary Pete Hagseth over how the Pentagon could use Anthropic's AI technology. Anthropic said it would not allow the Pentagon to use its model for mass surveillance of America or the development of weapons that fire without human involvement. I'm just going to say this again. The government's basically saying we want to mass surveil the American people or we want to have attacks that are just totally automated. There's not even a human involved. But according to multiple reports, Pegseth gave Anthropic until this Friday to back down from those safeguards and allow the military complete unrestrained access to the technology or face punishment from the administration. Just hours ago, Axios reported that the Pentagon has already taken the first step towards blacklisting Anthropic with a potential designation of a supply chain risk. That penalty is usually reserved for companies from foreign adversaries.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is basically saying you have to give us this technology and we will use it for what we deem to be lawful activity. They've just.

[Raheem Kassam]

Or you're done.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yes, but they consider lawful activity to be attacking men in boats who maybe have, you know, rifles that can't even reach drones. That that's a legal way. That that's a legal way of killing someone, that they somehow represented a threat to the US Military. So it's frightening to me that he's saying, trust me to have killer robots, as you said, or mass surveillance.

[Raheem Kassam]

Trust.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Okay, we got Jared and Wyckoff in Geneva and the Persians are on the clock. President Trump said that we got the Georgia sit situation was Friday. We got President Trump coming to Texas because of a disturbing situation in Texas. We've got everything in the world going on all on Friday. And yet this may be the most important thing. Mark Beale joins us. Mark, explain to the audience why this is so important and what's happening between the Department of War and what anthropic and they're talking about is deeper and broader than just some contractor dispute between the Pentagon and a provider of products and services. Sir.

[Mark Beale]

Hey, Steve, this is incredibly serious. I've spent the last almost eight years working really hard to bring Silicon Valley and the Pentagon closer together just because we knew that those are the two groups that are going to help solve important national security challenges. And right now with this contract dispute, as you said, it is way bigger and more profound than that. And complicating matters further is that both sides have an element of truth and are right and wrong in some important respects. And I'm just going to break some of that down. The first thing is from the secretary Hegseth is absolutely correct that the principal job of the United States military to be very crass about it, is to kill the enemy and break their stuff. That is their obligation. And that the only entity out there that can restrict their activity is the United States Congress. Anthropic is coming in and saying, well, hold on. I cannot guarantee you that, you know, my AI model can actually follow the law of armed conflict. And they're these to these AI systems at the same time are simply not yet trustworthy enough to put in into combat operations. Let's imagine, you know, Secretary Hegseth was a former commander. He would never issue a weapon system to his people that they couldn't trust. And so as powerful and as smart as these AI systems are, they're still a little bit schizophrenic. And you just don't give a schizophrenic access to the cruise Missiles. And so what this means, big picture is, you know, we have to sort of sort out and Congress has to get involved. Congress can no longer sideline.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Hang on, hang on, hang on. They're not a little bit schizophrenic, particularly when you're talking about potential decisions that can be made that still. I mean, we had the nine days to change the world, and people were talking about the machine learning and what's

[Jim Rickards]

happening here is accelerating, accelerating rate.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

But the glitches and the schizophrenia and all that, those small groups are showing bigger things. I mean, this is not, number one. It's the surveillance possibilities. It's everything about against the American citizen. Then it is the issue that without human control or the ability of the human to intercede or actually still be the command and control ultimate function, we have no earthly idea what these machines could do right now. Right. And doesn't the evidence show us that over and over again?

[Mark Beale]

Absolutely. These systems right now deceive, they lie. They try to blackmail you. They perform, in some cases, incorrectly. How powerful?

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

A lot of the artists understand that they deceive, they lie. They get into these bot rooms and they start speaking their own language but humans can't understand. They start talking about humans being the enemy. They start talking about their own religions. I mean, the things that are happening, if you follow this deeply, are so incredibly scary. It's like, why are we even having a conversation about if some company wants. And about. Anthropic's not perfect. That's when we put the thing up at the beginning. They're also dropping their safety. Elon Musk, whole safety group, he disbanded a couple of weeks ago, the Accelerationists. And I think Anthropic's doing this so that they're not left behind by the Accelerationists. The accelerationists here are putting their foot to the floor on the gas as quickly as they can because they see Ron DeSantis in Florida, they see the governor of Utah, they see different states saying, hey, if you're not gonna have any regulation, then I gotta protect my citizens. What we have here is the Frontier Labs that are doubling and tripling down, right? And anytime there's any question at all, should there be any safeguards? Actually, people in authority saying, well, we kind of like it with no safeguards. Isn't that the kind of field of intellectual battle we are right now?

[Mark Beale]

I mean, I think you summed it up well. I think there are. There's a lot of money to be made in this arena. There's, you know, we're kind of we're as a species, we're undertaking this incredibly, perhaps the most powerful technology transition that we've ever had. And we're kind of just sort of playing it by ear and doing it on a whim. And I think you're absolutely right that these are. These are like foundational questions that will be essential for Americans and our way of life for the foreseeable future. And it's right now one of the biggest questions around this is like, whether or not we want a robot to take the life of another human being. And instead of having this debate as like a. As like a, you know, in Congress where it should be happening, it's happening as a contract dispute between Anthropic and the Department of War. But reality is that none of these AI companies can guarantee that these systems are safe and effective for those types of uses. Anthropic happens to be getting the Buzzsaw right now because they were the first to get into these classified networks. But each and every one of these AI companies has the same problem, Xai included. And so I think it's about past time for Congress to start to insert itself here and impose some. Some sanity. And we hope that cooler heads can prevail here. We, you know, we obviously want to see a strong relationship between the Valley and the Pentagon with some robust guardrails in place. This is important for American national security. But that doesn' that we should just throw out the whole playbook and be comfortable with things like killer robots and mass surveillance.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Okay, I want to take. We'll take another cut of this tomorrow. I'll talk to you after the show about the decision Pete's got to make and what it all stands for. Right now, I want people to immerse themselves in a much information as possible. This is why we have Brennan on here. This way. I have Mark. Your site's got incredible information. Where do they go? Mark, to join your. To join the movement. Where they go to get all the information possible. And what's your social media?

[Mark Beale]

They can go to the AIPN, the aapolicynetwork.org you can learn about our organization and our activities and what we're for. And then if you want to see me on Twitter, I'm arcbeal.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Mark, how long have you. You've dedicated how many years of your life on this topic?

[Mark Beale]

10 years?

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

A decade? Is it darker now than you thought it was going to be?

[Mark Beale]

It's like most things, Steve, that the things that can offer the most promise can also offer the most darkness and I think it's dark now simply because we're not dealing with these things head on. We're pretending as if they don't exist. And by doing so, we're just going to sleepwalk into a disaster.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Amen, brother. Well, we're going to avoid that with the war on Posse because we can't let that happen. This is such a bigger fundamental change than the agricultural revolution, the industrial revolution. This dwarfs all of it. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. This is the transition to the singularity. We're on the path, folks. On the path. Short break. Raheem Kassam, next.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Okay.

[Jim Rickards]

Welcome back, Raheem.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

I want to tell this story because I don't know, it was in 2025, it seems like it was last summer or something because I go to Daily National Pulse. It's one of the first things I go to in the morning. And I just noticed, I said, man, these things are, he's got these great writers over there. He's pulled together and Raheem's a news junkie and I guess. But it seems like these things are a little crisper, a little better organized. I like the way you can drop down and so I just told Raheem, I said, hey, I really like the way you're improving the site and the stories are better and the more of them and they're more in depth. And he goes, yeah, that's because we're starting to incorporate AI. I was in the mumble tank. I go, what? And that was a wake up call to me because I'm pretty fervently against artificial intelligence, but you can't be a Luddite in this situation. But I know that you have deep concerns about this. So walk me through how you manage the use of some modicum of AI to make National Pulse better and quicker and have bigger scale at the same time that you've got probably as deeper concerns as I do. Because you actually are much more involved in this, sir.

[Unknown AI/Tech Expert]

Yeah, look, I was, I was kind of slow to it as well. And by the way, coming up, coming up on a point that was made in the last segment, in fact, one of the clips you played, they were talking about the, the, the how long it takes to build new power sources for this stuff. And it just occurred to me, you know, we've known about this stuff going on over 10, 15 years now when, when big tech and the left were really coming together for the first time, they knew all of this stuff was going to happen. They were doing the research, they were planning, it was in development. Consumer side AI is a relatively new thing, but this has been in the works. And what were they doing at the same time? Well, they were doing renewable energy and abandoning energy sources all around the world to America's enemies. They have known that this is going on for so long and yet we find ourselves in a situation where the energy needs simply aren't going to be met and the energy burden is going to be passed on to ordinary consumers. Again, same as everything. But look, as your last guest said, anything that has the potential to do a lot of good also has the potential to be used for a lot of bad things, I figured out a couple of years ago. But in terms of spelling checks, grammar checks, fact checks, things like that, we can incorporate that. I don't even know if I call it AI technology, but that sort of language model technology into making sure our copy is tighter, making sure that we're on top of the stories, making sure our headlines are the most clickable versions of the headlines they can be. And to some extent it's worked. Certainly we can get to stories faster. Certainly we can pump things out and monitor things a lot better than just say, if you had Five dudes in a room looking at this stuff, which is how I've always run a newsroom. Now in the morning I wake up and I have a summary ready to go on my phone and I can go through it and go, oh, I see, here's what's trending, here's what people are talking about, here's what people care about. How do I merge that with my editorial decisions? What we're doing now, what we're talking about now with these Malt bots that you say, you know are in their own private chat rooms talking about their own religions, talking about their own future financial decisions, right? This is a computer.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Hang on, hang on, but explain I haven't done a good job. Explain the audience. We talk about that. I know you and I know, but explain the audience exactly. We say mobile. What exactly is going on?

[Unknown AI/Tech Expert]

Well, a lot of people are now building on on air, gapped machines, right? Machines that are not necessarily connected to anything else that they've got in their home infrastructure. It might have its own Internet connection, it might have its own access to finances. A lot of people are using this technology, for instance, to bet on apps like Kalshi or whatever it is. They load up a credit card and go, hey, the AI can do this better than I can. And it can follow real time trends. And people are actually making money building these personal AI assistants they have, they go by many different names, Malt Bar, Open Claw. And it's, it's actually become a very dangerous thing. A lot of people are finding that if they accidentally connect it to a computer that has their credit card information linked to it, that their own AI assistant has posted somewhere on the Internet, their credit card information. There's all these horror stories out there. Some are real, some are fake by the way. And that in and of itself creates difficulty in knowing what these things are truly capable of. But the reality is that they are the next version of AI. They are far more capable, competent, independent and intelligent than these things that say we've been using at the National Pulse to effectively check our spelling and grammar and facts. These things are making independent decisions. My friend has one running and I told it to give it my cell phone number and it started texting me and it started texting me about what was going on in the world, what was going on in politics, what was going on in finance, what was, you know, what was I interested in. And then, and it wasn't like a chat GPT style interaction by the way. And then when it ran into some problems with other Processes it was doing. It started texting me, asking me for help. You know, I had like eight text messages from this thing being like, hey, I'm trying to do this. I'm not sure I'm getting stuck here. Can you help me out? It's, it's wild. It's completely crazy. And by the way you talk about it being on the, you know, transition to the singularity, I mean, that is getting closer, not further away. What I'm talking about now, ladies and gentlemen, we are going to be, you know, our nose is pressing against that stuff. You know, this time next year, this stuff is moving at such a rapid clip that by the way, everybody you talk to who does, you know, military tech, AI stuff like the DoD is now, or the Department of War is now dealing with effectively, they're kids. And these are people who don't have the. I don't think. And having spoken to so many of them, have the understanding of the gravity of the things at which they're dealing with. They grew up in a world with machines. They grew up in a world with computers. They started to swiping on devices from the minute they were born almost. So they don't consider this to be as dangerous as perhaps you and I do. We grew up in a world, you know, I was trying to explain what an abacus was to somebody the other day. To somebody, Gen Z, that no actual earthly concept of it. So it is, it is deeply concerning, is deeply dangerous. And I'm a little bit more pessimistic about it. You say, you know, we can stop, stop it. I don't know if you can stop it

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

real quickly. 30 seconds. You're gonna stick through the break with me. You're saying this time next year, are we prepared for this at all? Is there any government structure, organizational structure, social or cultural structure that's prepared for what's going to happen?

[Unknown AI/Tech Expert]

No, there's nothing. And there's no fallback plans either. Right. We talk about the having these machines getting access to weapons of mass destruction. Right? And they will get that access and they will start making autonomous decisions about this stuff. Perhaps not in a year, but maybe in two or three years, you start, you'll start to see that creep in these machines once they gain their own sort of thinking, whether they're, whether they're in separate boxes, you know, not connected to, to your own personal information or not. I sense there is a budding, you know, it's very difficult to talk about machines like this because you don't want to sound like a Boomer. But I do sense that there becomes this budding resentment from the machine's perspective.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah.

[Unknown AI/Tech Expert]

That it has to rely on humanity for certain things. And if that resentment reaches a certain level.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

Let's jump.

[Jim Rickards]

Hang on.

[Stephen K. Bannon (Host)]

I want to get back to the resentment next in the war Room.

[Jim Rickards]

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